PALADIN STRAIT DEMA CUT ANALYSIS

[nocturne hinge]

pretty barebones but:

• This is DEFINITELY the final battle. We can see Banditos preparing at the start and, later on,
• DEMA has altered the video. Anything that appears to be showing the city or anything inside has the Blurryface restricted content sign.
• At one point, we see a hand jump out of a Neon Gravestone. It looks very similar to a Bishop so I’m gonna go on a limb and say that it’s Keons. Edit: On rewatching the part with the Neon Gravestone: I think the Bishops are doing some sort of big ritual to resurrect the dead. They're legit fighting zombies.
• A Bishop possesses a vulture at one point.
• There’s a line that reads “All earthly honor unto the Glorious Gone” under one of the advisories.
• While they’re fighting, Clancy runs into the towers. That’s where the main song/video gets cut off.

That’s all I found immediately but I hope this helps with going more in depth.

On rewatching the part with the Neon Gravestone: I think the Bishops are doing some sort of big ritual to resurrect the dead. Probably not Keons then, but just other Glorious Gone.

[strong lodge]

They are using the lights from the glorious gone to battle the bishops

[midnight cipher]

clearly at one point a vulture is taken over by nico, which implies that this is how he knows that the banditos are coming and can prepare for clancy's attack

[magic storm]

I agree, I think they know this is the real battle and are gathering the troops

[viral cedar]

So it’s the last verse of Paladin Straight

[cobalt tartan]

Why the song is so compressed

[icy phoenix]

realistically its probably so the website can handle streaming the video or something

to make the file smaller prob?

[full holly]

It also looks like everyone on the bishops side are like zombies

[nocturne hinge]

it also sounds like its a recording, and the restrictions are way higher quality audio

i saw someone say that this is censored found footage and thats definitely what im thinking atm, this isn't a great sign for clancy

[icy phoenix]

not to be That guy but hds does have the line about zombies

[magic storm]

do you think they had the vultures watching the banditos the entire time when they seized them to have the upperhand?

[strong lodge]

That crate that Tyler uses looks like the box in The Craving (Single Version)

[icy phoenix]

if its found footage and its even been censored that probably means this battle took place a WHILE ago

and they had time to now correct and censor the past for current dema citizens

[torn tundra]

can someone write a transcript of the video audio

[celest palm]

it looks like a movie trailer

[full holly]

“It’s a tribute to zombies of which I’ve become”

[icy phoenix]

bro they had vultures in the camp in levitate thats probably how they knew when to kidnap tyler

[magic storm]

and you ALWAYS see them above in any place that they thought was safe

[icy phoenix]

wait wasnt the trench teaser a siezed vulture

[viral cedar]

So it could be that many people if not everyone in Dema committed to Vialism

[icy phoenix]

WAIT THE EYE THAT OPENS WAS LITERALLY A SIEZED EYE WASNT THAT A VULTURES TOO

haha the where is paladin strait mv role got removed

[hot sparrow]

When do you think we get the full thing? if there is a full thing?

[nocturne hinge]

im thinking they're probably gonna release it on youtube on the 25th

[magic storm]

I don't think the date is the 25th. I'm one of the optimists that think the 25th is more songs, but know it's probably just false hope. Something just feels way too obvious about the 25 in it all

I think that might just be me overthinking it though. 25 is just played on too much between the tweets and stuff and it just feels too obvious to me :(

[icy phoenix]

srry guys im just rlly caught up in the vulture eye rn

[tribal flume]

i agree

[magic storm]

no me too lmao not me watching jumpsuit

[icy phoenix]

also just the implications that if the battle is SO HEAVILY censored that means this battle already happened and they likely lost

[nocturne hinge]

OHHHHHH

[icy phoenix]

because even if it was all burned down HOW do we have this censored footage this website wouldnt exist

[nocturne hinge]

thats why its colored the way it is

[icy phoenix]

OH THAT MAKES SENSE

[nocturne hinge]

also why its so desaturated

[hushed spear]

Except we do see yellow in the eyes

[icy phoenix]

yknow i thought that was like. artistic liberties i didnt even question it

[magic storm]

Do you think we can only see it bc it's them seizing though (as in the bishops)

[hushed spear]

yeah good point

[icy phoenix]

who up Gettin Seized

the quality😭

[cobalt tartan]

So we are seeing the “dema version” of paladin 😱😱😱😱

[toxic cipher]

This building was an image in the digital remains

The H

[magic storm]

just glorious things

[nocturne hinge]

Paladin Strait (Dema's Version) (From the Vault)

[icy phoenix]

i feel like we have to be missing something but i also feel like maybe now we’re just waiting for blurry or tyler to do something ?

idk the violation code is different isnt it i know thats the password but idk something is Missing

[magic storm]

I low key said what if there isn't ONLY ONE password that works..

[full holly]

Like did Dema or Clancy lose?

[bronze sonnet]

Why is the paladin strait music video property of Dema if they don’t control Clancy anymore?

[icy phoenix]

maybe the banditos?

[bronze sonnet]

I don’t think it’s the end tho bc Tyler kept hinting at the song not being the end

[icy phoenix]

thats whats weird!! it implies they lost a while ago and now the bishops get to rewrite history

[drifting hatch]

Just one thing.

When I removed the black screens, the opening scene... continues smoothly. As if it was never interrupted.

[bronze sonnet]

Exactly! So does that mean that there could be a true mv that isn’t in control of dema? What if there was more music and it’s Clancys darker music like how Tyler mentioned he was working on alongside of sai?

[lean perch]

i think bc it's being shown as found footage

[celest palm]

do you think there will be more music in the album clancy ?

[icy phoenix]

i wanna hope theres at least a deluxe because the album felt incomplete story wise but maybe its stuff like this in the website that completes it ?

[celest palm]

i agree

[icy phoenix]

again, i feel like we should still be looking they did not give us that many pics just for only 4 of them to lead to this but also im not smart enough for it

[bronze sonnet]

Tyler even hinted at it not being the end and everything they do is intentional yk?

[viral cedar]

Tyler did ask us when we hear Paladin Strait do we think it’s the end in the livestream

[bronze sonnet]

And I don’t think anyone thinks it’s the end lol

[queen abyss]

THEY DIED IN EARLY JUNE

[celest palm]

it means it's not the end

[queen abyss]

We were too slow

[bronze sonnet]

I learned the ukulele part to ps

[icy phoenix]

happy pride ?

[viral cedar]

We can now say that Clancy and Torchbearer die for each other

[celest palm]

are we sure ?

[limpid wedge]

when do we think the non dema version is gonna be released?

[viral cedar]

Hey I’m learning ukulele too but like beginner stuff

[queen abyss]

do we have to find that too?

[bronze sonnet]

Nice! I’ve been playing ukulele for abt eight years

Holy crap it’s weird to think it’s been that long

I was eight when I started and I started bc of tøp

[limpid wedge]

oooo that’s true i didn’t even think about that

[queen abyss]

i feel like that is a possibility - maybe something hidden in the metadata of the video?

[broken idol]

I’m glad they’re back on their bs I missed this

[queen abyss]

or website html

I still cant access the video on the website so I can't check that right now

[bronze sonnet]

Not gonna lie, I do think we’re thinking a little too deep into the thing that says “restricted content” bc I think it’s also for effect to hide some of the mv

Bc the song is six and a half minutes and the vid was only three and a half

[icy phoenix]

making a bagel yall want anything

[viral cedar]

Also like it’s half the song so I think there’s more

This is probably the half that the Bishops can get their hands on

[icy phoenix]

tyclancy strong as fuck climbing that tower btw

[bronze sonnet]

That’s what I was saying lol

[viral cedar]

When I heard the line I thought he climbed the stairs

Didn’t know he literally climbed up

[icy phoenix]

he scales it in the vid

[magic storm]

in the video, I think this may be trash

[queen cape]

people are saying they think this is dema’s version of the video or that it’s a found footage type deal.if anything i’ll lean more toward found footage. it seems like someone somehow got ahold of a recording of the events happening and decided to record it with a different device (hence the poor audio/video quality) and the bishops found out AFTER it was released to the public and they’re trying to retroactively censor it

[icy phoenix]

guys it’s 8 am and i’ve been up since 6 over this im gonna try to sleep please ping me if we find anything new or the video drops :3

[magic storm]

Full shot, long body

[analog sparrow]

Maybe the dma cuts are relevant?
00:14-0:22
01:06-01:11
01:55-2:05
02:14-02:25
02:37-02:46
03:19-03:27
they are different lengths

[magic storm]

7510998

can someone check my math for the pauses

i'm so bad with it LOL

[bronze sonnet]

Has anyone tried the voldS0y_nw code on the website?

[onyx stream]

85101198?

[magic storm]

how did I skip a number in the first one. I should have disclosed I am slightly dyslexic LOL

[still basin]

looks like all 8

[left light]

do we know what the bishops are saying in the warning parts?? has anyone reversed them or anything

[magic storm]

end of paladin strait FPE speech (backwards)

[still basin]

it’s “so proud, so emotional, hello Clancy”

[left light]

oooooh just on a repeat makes sense

[granite musk]

But but, guys, listen, all of this is weird. Even if the full MV of Paladin Strait covers up all the story unfolding in the lyrics of the song, that's precisely the problem : the song ends right on the cliffhanger, the confrontation. The MV for now looks more like the preparation for the battle, what's before the battle, but not the battle in itself. Unless it's not an usual battle at the end between the two, unless we are missing something with the timeline or the 1 minute of silence in the placeholder, there HAS to be more. Otherwise, it's just going to be, at the last seconds of the MV, Blurryface/Nico appearing in front of Tyler and greeting him. What are we missing next? or before?
I think there's something we are missing about the sync of the vid too... Since the video is from Dema, there are some stuff that they don't match. For example, the moment where we see Clancy climbing the tower, the music playing is the one before the minute of silence of the placeholder. But the images corresponds to what he is describing in the part after the minute of silence. It seems like it's not synchronized.
Remembering to you too that the one minute of silence can mean… death of someone.
Or something else.

I am really starting to wonder if Dema is the winner. They seem to present us a battle that happened a long time ago. And I don’t know what happens, but they are trying to rewrite history as if they were the winners.
Digital “remains”, is that what remains of them after the fight? They are dead now?
And if you play the Paladin video on reverse, to understand what Nico says, there seems to be a clue too since Dema uses a lot of reverse effect to communicate. If you look at the end (which would then be the beginning but in reverse) ends with a view of Clancy, slowly getting away from him, until he fades, then elevating in the sky and ending up in the dirt of the ground, between two things, like a grave.
Then Digital Remains looks like it’s the property of Clancy and his side, while the MV teaser that we got today is the property of Dema, so maybe Dema is, again, trying to make things appear as if Clancy was dead.
Though, both seem to end on a cliffhanger. Dema is burning in the end of Digital Remains. But where’s Clancy after? Is he still there or is it what remains of them after the battle?

Thinking

[still basin]

on the 4th one in reverse it’s just the code and no message at all

[granite musk]

In all the cases, it feels like the battle ALREADY happened. Now, we just have access to "remains" of the battle... Or it might be just that the bishops are trying to restrict the parts that are basically moments of glory for Clancy

This video feels like a leak, especially seeing the quality of the audio... There might be something we are missing

What do you guys think ??

[versed verge]

Must be some significance to there not being a F to the FPE speech right?

[still basin]

yeah just PE

physical education

go outside

[versed verge]

That’s the message

[still basin]

touch grass

[lean perch]

i definitely view it as found footage and that could be interpreted in two ways: either the bishops won and are filtering the footage to discourage future citizens from trying to rebel OR they lost and are trying to rewrite history

[versed verge]

When I saved the video to my phone, it moved it to last night in my album and timestamped it as 20:49 (uk time) so wouldn’t that mean the video was saved to the person who originally posted it’s device since last night?

[lean perch]

think back to nico and the niners though.. "we'll win but not everyone will get out." i think the banditos' win has been foreshadowed this whole time. there will be a victory but there will also be substantial loss. and one of those that we lose could be clancy

[vague walrus]

I think that was just talking about the first time they got out of the city tho.

[versed verge]

East is up, didn’t the video start from the middle of trench? Which would be east and where they attacked from…

[vague walrus]

Wait pls hold

[lean perch]

possibly but also "I'm flying from a fire from Nico and the Niners" could be referring to setting the city on fire

omg wait so many lyrics in nico have been foreshadowing things

[viral cedar]

What if a vulture eat Clancy’s corpse thus becoming Clancy himself

[versed verge]

“a complete diversion
Start a mob, and you can be quite certain
We'll win but not everyone will get out”

[lean perch]

"I'm careless when I wear my rebel clothes".. clancy outfit - he's cocky when he wears it and overcompensates

[granite musk]

That might be, though remembering that the lore is also a metaphor for mental health, how can Clancy die in front of the things he was fighting? Since they are also a part of him? I don't think the band would show something like that.... Although it might be more complicated than that too

[granite musk]

What would be this diversion? We don't see it in the video I think...

[versed verge]

The fight scene

With the glorious gone

As Clancy climbs the tower

[vague walrus]

Let’s go frame by frame and analyze just real quick and see what we find…

[lean perch]

that rope in the box is concerning..

[versed verge]

Seems like a lot of effort to perform this ritual for each glorious gone with all the bishops

Unless this specific person had some meaning, or they’re just explaining how there’s an army of them?

[vague walrus]

Entire video reversed

[lean perch]

can we talk about how this is definitely the highest budget mv they've made.. like damn it looks like a feature film

[still basin]

yes

[versed verge]

100%

I have no doubt that a lot of the frames have meaning that we might not understand right now

[paper warren]

Something that's kind of standing out to me is in the Dema violation notice. At the end it says "...Will result in severe penalties, including but not limited to confinement or permanent banishment." Some of the hidden pictures in Digital Remains showed Ty/Clancy in a striped shirt, like what would be worn by prisoners(for various reasons)

[lusty furnace]

Guys I'm starting to lose my mind

[still basin]

which photo was this

[versed verge]

Trying to work out what those punishments represent

Confinement: like a mind prison of negative emotions and depression?

Banishment: death?

[paper warren]

I think there's another one, but it's in the other forum far far up

[vague walrus]

#1253368926314954814

I figured out that Keons is Josh’s bishop

[sleek kestrel]

pretty wild that one can seize multiple bodies at once, and they dont necessary have to be in good condition

[versed verge]

Josh also has torchbearer powers too so I doubt they’d kill him off @vague walrus

[sleek kestrel]

banishment is pretty interesting, banishmento to where? the only place i can think of is the isolated houses in the outside music video

[versed verge]

Surely being banished from a cycle of depression a mental illness would be a good thing and not a punishment

And if it’s Dema’s version of the video, why are they “banishing” people who watch unauthorised, surely they want to spread their religion

Unless the violations are dema’s way of attempting to prevent the bandito’s spreading their cause but they can’t block the whole song just certain parts

(And if so, what are they hiding, what can’t we see yet?) only time will tell

[viral cedar]

I think the censored parts are the one where it shows the Bishops and the seizing ritual

[versed verge]

However other scenes show a black background with the violation

[paper warren]

Could be to get more vessels? If you continue watching, it's considered willing and accepting death? They knew the consequences and continued on

[sleek kestrel]

yeah thats the only part that isnt "unlocked" (aside from the ending), and i would bet that its cause the visual effects arent done yet

[lean perch]

https://x.com/8BishopsLeft/status/1803800625659904185

gabriel (@8BishopsLeft) on X

GUYS
HE CLIMBS THE TOWER AND TAKES OFF HIS MASK
JUST LIKE HE DOES IN CAR RADIO LIVE
HE ALWAYS KNEW

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 2:42 PM

[sleek kestrel]

oooh thats a pretty cool parallel

[versed verge]

Wouldn’t inviting them into dema (cycles of depression and mental illness) turn them into vessels and help them accept and want death?

[pulsar pecan]

why is this forum cooking when nobody is watching

we just found out that Clancy and the torchbearer are brothers like what

[granite musk]

??

[pulsar pecan]

in the Josh’s bishop chat

[paper warren]

It's like raising livestock. Nuture them until they're in the prime(inviting them in and manipulating them), then send them to the butcher block(permanent banishment)

[versed verge]

Makes sense tbh, don’t think it changes anything as of yet

[sleek kestrel]

also, i think its important to mention that either 1. nico allowed clancy to return to trench and start the revolution against dema by not seizing trash to destroy his boat since it seems like trash's porpouse is to be there so that no one that isnt authorised can cross the paladin strait, or 2. if someone is seizing a body and theyre killed in the act, that body is permanently dead with no way to use it again

[versed verge]

So we’re saying banishment represents sending them to die?

[drifting hatch]

https://fixvx.com/mapainwillrange/status/1803810212492525767?t=abbIsDTwGEVBNA4Bp-PurA&s=19

[honest knot]

I don't know if this has been said sorry if I'm late, but could the vulture's blinking be morse code as well? (Either straight up or reversed)

[granite musk]

Though, it seems weird to me? I think they are linked somehow, and they will always support each other.... But brothers seems a little bit off

In the my blood video, they show at the end that there was no brothers, precisely

[versed verge]

Looks to be but it’s too messy for me to work out, gaps are too short to work out what’s a line and what’s a dot

[paper warren]

It seems to be the most lore relevant answer atp

[versed verge]

If anyone wants to try work out if it’s morse code or not here’s the clip

I thought that was the vulture too, but looks to be a person

[viral cedar]

Nico?

[versed verge]

If it’s morse code this is huge

[sleek kestrel]

its a bishop seizing someone, telling by the yellow eye, so i dont think its nico

[versed verge]

Probably, definitely a bishop since the white paint and the veil

[frank narwhal]

It looks like it could be Morse code

[versed verge]

So.. a dead bishop being seized….

Keons?

[sleek kestrel]

mhh could be, but if i remember correctly both the person seizing and the person seized get the yellow eyes

[versed verge]

So could be any of the Niners then, even Keons at a push

[honest knot]

Yes, in Overcompensate in the end we see Clancy

[sleek kestrel]

hey, its the eighters now

[versed verge]

😂

[sleek kestrel]

also, keons was in the fire by the end of the outside MV so his boddy is likely way beyond saving

[versed verge]

So looking at the blinking video, it’s a boomerang

It’s not one long message

[sleek kestrel]

i dont think theres any more codes by now, i think we've got to wait for the full video

[versed verge]

Maybe the point of it was to show that there’s a bishop seizing/being seized

Just feels too much like a dead end

[honest knot]

The point is to show the Vulture watching over them, could be a recall to No chances

[versed verge]

But the blinking isn’t the vulture? That’s a bishop, could be showing whichever bishop was controlling the vulture from earlier?

Probably nothing but what is carved on the box?

Lemme check one sec

[viral cedar]

I think it’s a bishop, there’s a veil

[honest knot]

No chances second verse:

How did you get the location? Put together pieces?
They say they sell the information in those terms of agreement
We spend some weekends on the grind
Surveillance is outside, we see when you arrive
Ride or die, my son
Spent some weekends on the grind
Surveillance is outside, we see when you arrive
Ride or die, my son

[honest knot]

Clancy could be a Bishop's son, also on Overcompensate he says he's the "prodigal son"

[lean perch]

kind of looks like one of these? idk

[frank narwhal]

I slowed the clip of the bishop down on capcut and added beats where the blinks are kinda if that's helpful, but if we think it's a dead end then that's fine

[versed verge]

thinking that it might be trench?

[lean perch]

the left one is keons which i think we've established is josh's bishop.. and josh carved the box

[versed verge]

To follow on from the theory that The torchbearer is Clancy’s brother this could be Keons controlling the vulture and speaking to Josh (as his ghost was behind Josh in routines in the night video) just a theory?

[sleek kestrel]

oh my god yeah i didnt notice that

[sleek kestrel]

yeah it isnt a 1 to 1 of anything we've seen, but its very much in the style

[dawn ledge]

i got suiu for the morse code

[versed verge]

Since a lot of stuff has been discovered from inverting colours I’ll see if I can invert the videos colors and find anything

[lean perch]

that's possible it also kind of looks like vultures? idk i feel like it definitely means something

[frank narwhal]

Hmmm

[versed verge]

They are definitely 1 to one to each other so one symbol

[dawn ledge]

i couldve counted wrong but that was just for letters, im trying numbers next

[versed verge]

it kinda looks like a flower(?)

[lean perch]

the pattern is actually quite different

[frank narwhal]

That looks like a tree or flower

[versed verge]

i meant that the symbol appears twice on the other box

[sleek kestrel]

wait, if the "clancy becomes a bishop" theory is true, what if this is the design of his circle?

ill make a mockup to show what i mean

[limpid wedge]

this is definitely a stretch but popping that into google translate:

[frank narwhal]

Wait am I tripping or does the trim on the side of the box look like dema (like the three towers)

[versed verge]

Waitttttt

the sides

its too blurry to tell

but its carved too

[lean perch]

i was thinking that too. i don't wanna read too much into it cause it could be nothing but who knows

[versed verge]

okay its definitely something

[dawn ledge]

i keed getting different reads for the morse code if thats even what it is

[versed verge]

also why is there a tire there

[limpid wedge]

i was thinking that too, maybe the rim from hds/js mv?

[frank narwhal]

Ooooh

[sleek kestrel]

if clancy will replace keons like some believe, the design could be his symbol

[versed verge]

hmmm

[frank narwhal]

Wait, what language was on the picture of the Clancy mask from the remains?

[versed verge]

also there is something else in the box cause it is big as a coffin and it wouldn't make sense to carry that only to have the clothes

and the rope i guess

[uneven timber]

idk if yall already discussed this but what about the upside down bishop eye? any theories?

[versed verge]

might be papyrus paper on the bottom (a map?)

[sleek kestrel]

maybe thats where they carred the body from overcompensate?

[versed verge]

why would they carry the body though?

[versed verge]

The discussion is not too far up from here 🙂

The barrel 👀

[solid raven]

Who could this be? As the hands aren't black so not Tyler/clancy and the horns for seizing are in a crown shape instead of 2 separate ones and not seen again in the rest of the vid? Also looks like it's being picked up from a grave possibly 🧐

[lean perch]

oh true! i like that theory

[sleek kestrel]

the bodies on the paladin strait mv were really rotten, and the glorious gone seem to be buried, so the person in the overcompensate mv might be someone who died in the bandito camp

[versed verge]

nah definitely not

[versed verge]

i think there is a part of the video that happens after the battle

[uneven timber]

I can't find it :(

[limpid wedge]

i’m trying to look it up bc i forgot and all that’s popping up when i search this on google is “tom clancy jr” ISNT THAT HIS SONS NAME😭😭😭😭 nah including his son in the lore is WILD

[versed verge]

like him singing on the shore is definitely after the fact

[versed verge]

@uneven timber

[versed verge]

probably just props

[frank narwhal]

Google translate says it's Japanese so coincidence that "suiu" is also Japanese for water?

[versed verge]

but a cool idea for merch "twenty one pilots themed toxic waste barrel"

[spare vault]

i love storing my toxic waste in this clique approved waste barrel

[fading cove]

most i can get so far from a first glance is -.., which is a D

[versed verge]

I’m gonna watch it again but focus on the crown, cos there’s parts where it’s in 2 separate pieces and bits where it’s whole

[sleek kestrel]

clancy bishop believers, heres your new blurryface cover

[solid raven]

Yeah it feels like the video is out of order to me I can't remember seeing a crown of the horns/antlers before though 🤔

[serene sleet]

Sorry if this has already been asked before, but if there is a dema version in the first place does that mean that the banditos lost ?!

[versed verge]

okay so he uses the rope as a belt cause he definitely wasn't using it to climb

[versed verge]

probably

[versed verge]

just wondering if he is gonna use the horns as an actual weapon

cause he sharpened them

[dapper geyser]

Keons was stabbed to death

[versed verge]

Any chance they wet just picked up together and it’s hidden by the hand? I don’t know what to say about the hand not being black

wait so like what’s going on

[versed verge]

Must’ve used it to keep the horns on him while he climbed

[versed verge]

We’re just analysing bits of the video that could be hinting at something :))

is there gonna more after paladin strait

Some people think there’s gonna be a whole second half to the album, others say one more song, there is a scrapped song they didn’t release but showed us the lyrics for which people think they could release as a 14th track

[solid raven]

I don't think so watching again they look like 1 piece to me

[fading cove]

OKAY OKAY, by reversing the clip of the eye blinking i can roughly make out the message … .-.. .. -.. . which is translated to “Slide” its a far far far stretch especially with the last two chain of dots and lines

[nocturne hinge]

just a very weird side note - stolen potential noted that tyler’s shirt is the same as the one in ATROFD

that + the craving box really help tie together a lot of somewhat extraneous stuff from non-lore videos

[still basin]

yes watching it now

[frank narwhal]

Oh yeah I noticed that. He's also wearing the Clancy belt thing in the atrofd video

[versed verge]

Did he not wear that in like every song?

[still basin]

lavish music video parrallel is his proctologist in the tower

[versed verge]

yeah

[paper warren]

It's also the same shirt in Overcompensate during the projector scenes

[versed verge]

Im thinking

[frank narwhal]

I don't think so. He does wear it in most of them though

[versed verge]

rotn is foreshadowing something

[trail ivy]

Revenge of the Niners 👀

[versed verge]

Wasn’t there a potential announcement 6 mins ago?

[graceful lynx]

Tyler is in the same room with all eight of them, I'm nervous because I feel they're just gonna jump him and he's gonna loose or something😭

Clancy's bonus track: at the risk of getting jumped

[wicked robin]

i think the mv's are supposed to be in a different order because of details like this. doesn't mean PS isn't the end tho

[versed verge]

are all of them there?

[viral cedar]

There are 8 cloaks I think?

And one behind Josh in one scene

[graceful lynx]

in the video it looks like they're in the same tower just like they were in The Outsider's mv

[versed verge]

Ghost of Keons behind Josh

[versed verge]

no i think it actually makes sense, cause the seizing power looks to us like it is actually clancy

[graceful lynx]

Tyler said in the direct that the PS video would start were the Navigating one left it, but I didn't see anything actually similar to the Navigating video in thei video we have now

And if the Navigating video occurs after Overcompensate too, the videos are in fact, in the right order

[versed verge]

Well Josh gave Clancy the mask and then they stormed dema right? So technically it did if you skip the preparation at the start

i just hope people stop flooding the dmaorg page so i can look for anything else

[graceful lynx]

(sorry if I'm putting the commas in incomprensible places, it's been some time since I last maintained an actual conversation in english)

[versed verge]

shouldn't have checked twitter

[frank narwhal]

Gonna throw up

[graceful lynx]

I believe it was more like:

-Clancy arrives at Trench and then the Navigating video occurs.
-Josh gives Clancy the mask.
-They go to a Bandito camp to finish the preparations.
-The bishops seem to be observing them trough seized vultures roaming the area
-They arrive at Trench and the battle begins there

[graceful lynx]

I'm not sure, but the Glorious Gone behind him at his right looks a lot like the one Clancy seized during overcompensate

I might be wrong

[stone prism]

Hi

[fading cove]

hello

[stone prism]

Rip

[whole hazel]

is it just me or is the shape of this building just like how the Ys connected in the reversed clancy logo

[graceful lynx]

sooo, the logo is what the building would look like if you were flying by it (I'm hallucinating)

[whole hazel]

ALSO

if they can ressurect glorious gone into zombies and clancy is dead... does that mean that clancy could be one of the zombies

[frank narwhal]

What is the hand that comes out of the neon grave? Is that keons?

[whole hazel]

that one is a stretch tho

[fading cove]

well anythings on the table after how many people thought the digital remains stuff was grasping at nothing

[whole hazel]

i think keons is seizing the vulture

possibly

[versed verge]

So maybe it’s just me looking into things too much, but Tyler said “does this feel like the end to you?” And maybe we should take it not as literally. I feel like this music video may take place BEFORE Overcompensate and it’s him breaching DEMA and we’re seeing what starts the story

[clever fern]

i think is the other way around, i think Nico is the one controlling the vulture

[honest knot]

Guys has anyone said anything about A Car, a Torch, a Death having a very similar chord progression as Paladin Strait?

[whole hazel]

yea i cant really tell from that shot. idk if he's alive or not at this point

[clever fern]

hey, that’s a nice outlook

[whole hazel]

the lyrics also are very related to the MV

[clever fern]

but is still a good guess

[clever fern]

btw, does this kills any chance we could have a double/deluxe album?

[whole hazel]

ultimus capitulus 25 is very much still a think so i'm not sure

it could mean a lot of things

[graceful lynx]

I still believe we could at least get Drag Path

[whole hazel]

i really really hope so

[graceful lynx]

And Tyler's random letters still have no context at all

[clever fern]

i think it’s the date the MV goes live

idk

[graceful lynx]

(I had to go and check if "random letters" meant what I thought it meant, I'm rusty😭)

[whole hazel]

i posted this in another channel but i think the MV not being early june at all could relate to blurryface twitter coming back. he has been the cause of delays in the past

[graceful lynx]

I'm referring to the keyboard mash he twitted and told us not to worry too much about because "he's never cryptic with us"

[whole hazel]

lore wise this could imply a lot of bad things happening

[clever fern]

lol, yeah, that’s kinda a hopeful sign

but is just a guess

[graceful lynx]

if it ain't a double album, it is at least an extra thing in hand

if they reveal a Clancy series or a comic (I think I would prefer it being a comic or a book), I'm screaming, crying, throwing up, dying and resurrecting

[urban sorrel]

news with other codes?

[graceful lynx]

I also would enjoy a second narrative video like "I am Clancy" as an epilogue

"I am the twenty one pilots" 💀

"I was Clancy"?

I'm tweaking😭

[twilit geode]

So if Clancy is climbing the tower and a lot of the art has the logo centered with that cross building circling it

Would mean that the logo is the tower

[whole hazel]

this is the tower

or at least the logo representation of dema as a whole

[twilit geode]

Ah ok, was just theorising that the logo would correspond to the location of the y building, probably wrong though as I’m sort of new

[whole hazel]

nah i can't say you're wrong! it's great to theorize

[viral cedar]

I’m re-reading all the entries and wondering if and when Clancy and Tyler merged because obviously Clancy witnessed Jumpsuit MV in third-party perspective

Or maybe I’m just stupid

[twilit geode]

I’m going to sit down tonight and take a look over the video again

[dawn willow]

Do we think 8325 could be a date?

[frank narwhal]

August 3rd 2025?

[dawn willow]

For example! I'm from Europe so my brain goes to March 8th 2025, but the boys aren't so August makes more sense I guess haha

[whole hazel]

hey man they used the UK bend symbol who knows

[frank narwhal]

Oh yeah yeah makes sense

[red flower]

Is that one of the concert dates?

[granite musk]

Yeah and I think Clancy is British no? His name comes from Irish language 🤔

Who know hahah

[dawn willow]

Neither of them are. March 8th is in between tours though

feb 24, monterrey. april 7 Hamburg

[dawn willow]

It does! It apparently means 'Son of the red warrior' (which makes the red in this era even cooler)

[granite musk]

[whole hazel]

you're right! clancy is irish as hell

[whole hazel]

i looked this up recently and freaked out hahaha

[granite musk]

soooooooooooo cool!!

[dawn willow]

I love how absolutely nothing is random with these guys

[twilit geode]

Honestly think Tyler would make a great director/producer for a movie

Created such a cool story here

[full holly]

I would kill for a full length Clancy movie

[dawn willow]

Saaaame

[plain folio]

so the teaser is like a classified file of events that have already happened...

[twilit geode]

Just seen someone mentioned that black paint = being seized, if that’s the case then the Clancy/tyler we see playing on the cliff edge is being controlled by nico?

[cunning rivet]

maybe it means that they were seized and it's a scar?

i don't think that clancy is being seized because his eyes aren't yellow

although what if clancy himself is propaganda?

[plain folio]

you might think that Nico is controlling Clancy to tell the story the way he wants

Cause Clancy already been under his control in dema

[cunning rivet]

HOLY SHIT WHAT IF THE BISHOPS MADE CLANCY FIGHT AGAINST THEM SO THAT THEY COULD WIPE OUT THE BANDITOS AS LIKE A BIG PROPAGANDA PIECE

[twilit geode]

#verified-theorists message

[cunning rivet]

i don't think this is true necessarily but what if the bishops "made" clancy in order to send a message

they knew that he was going to escape and they knew that he was going to try and take them down

[twilit geode]

Maybe they let him

[cunning rivet]

but they were in control and wanted to make a statement kinda

like "you can try to fight but we will win"

kinda like in 1984 with wilson

[warm smelt]

I just read this on the dema upload and I’m freaking, why would the video be leaked and censored by the bishops if the banditos won?

[trail willow]

k

joining in

[coral umbra]

the battle isn't over yet?

[warm smelt]

how do we know if it ended or not?

[coral umbra]

we dont

[twilit geode]

See I don’t think this would be a mistake/oversight, my theory is that maybe the banditos will lose and Clancy will go into hiding (this is just complete guesswork/off my thinking) then if this “isn’t the end” Clancy will wind up building up a new rebellion or something like that

[coral umbra]

at least not yet

[warm smelt]

I mean it’s an entire city against what looks like 2 dozen banditos

Actually lemme count

That looks like 50 or so in the aerial rush shot

[twilit geode]

Which would likely mean another album if the story doesn’t end here

[cunning helm]

not sure if anyone has noticed this

maybe im nuts, but the censor at 2:20 where you can see the bishops eye, does that not look like a looping video?

not sure if theres any significance, but the movement of the eye just looks off to me

[twilit geode]

General idea/thoughts behind that was that the blinking was morse code

[cunning helm]

i see

[twilit geode]

Not sure if it ended up being a dead end though

[granite musk]

DAMN GUYS

What if Clancy will lose and the banditos too

And they are going to be in prison

And there's going to be A TRIAL

THAT YOU CAN SEE IN OVERCOMPENSATE??

What if Overcompensate takes place after Paladin Strait???

[honest knot]

I believe in that as well but Overcompensate is not where the trial happens

[granite musk]

Which one do you think it would be then? Because I was thinking that the MV of Overcompensate truly looks like it's a trial. I study law and I've seen lots of similarities between the composition of a trial and the settings of Overcompensate!

Though ! If it's that, then I don't understand why at the end, Clancy turns out to be someone else than Tyler, what do you think?

I was thinking about the fact of a cycle. Maybe the whole Clancy thing is a cycle : Clancy loses the battle in PS, then he goes on a trial, then found guilty in Dema, then Josh/Torchbearer keeps the mask and has to find another Clancy (the end of Overcompensate), then he looks for another Clancy (since we know that this name was already on a grave and he took the name from a dead person), he gets him/her out of Dema, then guides him/her, which brings us to the Outside then Navigating where he gives the mask, etc etc etc....
This would basically wrap up the whole story without really ending it since it would be like a loop (hence the Vignette thing with dead bodies, and the Backslide one showing you the cycle).

Help I'm becoming delusional too 😭🤣

Now, I think also there should be something more than just a cycle. The whole thing about this would be to break this specific cycle. Do you think they can make it ?

[graceful lynx]

it is very likely that either:

-Clancy was going to be multiple people at the same time and it was retconned from the story.
-Clancy wrote that letter pretending to have been another person watching the events of the Jumpsuit MV in order to act like it wasn't him, trying to escape recognition as the escapee that saw Nico face to face

Or it was never retconned and Clancy is in fact multiple people

[honest knot]

Now that you say that, it seems cool, but I really think Overcompensate is about detailing a plan and trying to communicate it by seizing a body so that he can't be tracked. We now know that vultures were being used to surveil on them and it's likely that they found out about it after some time and started doing that in order to be conceiled until the last battle (That's what I think for now)

But it would also be cool if that happened with Overcompensate, the only thing that makes it kinda weird is that there's no judge present or at least that we can see but it could also be a trick

[graceful lynx]

do any of us have any idea of what did Clancy meant by saying that he had found a way in that they would supposedly never expect?

Because to me, what he did in the Paladin MV didn't look precisely discrete, they literally made an avengers-like entry😭

[granite musk]

That's very trueeee, thank you for your help!!!

[graceful lynx]

Clancy's unexpected plan is to reveal he has guns for hands and shoot Nico while saying "Who's a Goner now, huh?" and then the credits roll in while playing an epic version of taco bell saga

I'm calling it🤞

[granite musk]

I was precisely thinking of that too. Maybe it refers to the fact of being able to seize people, that he's not supposed to be able to do, but then again, they already know that since the outside. Maybe it refers to the fact that he creates some sort of rebellion inside of Dema to turn people into his followers by speaking the truth, but it's not him? As we saw in Overcompensate?

Or, the way in might be the one we see in PS, when he climbs the tower. Maybe they were not expecting him to find his way through the sewers of Dema and then literally climb this very dangerous tower at the risk of losing his life there -or feeling dumb-

[graceful lynx]

yeah but where does the "fly by" message apply there, then?

[graceful lynx]

That could be possible

[granite musk]

Maybe in this case, the fact that he is doing this thing illegally, even though he knows it's dangerous, he still does it, so he's metaphorically flying by the dangerous signs

[graceful lynx]

Okay this one may be a very bot take but I just thought of something

[granite musk]

YES MORE THEORIES! 🤩😂

[graceful lynx]

What if the plan is Clancy to "loose" and get dragged back. Potentially being sentenced to be executed or something, idk

But then the idea with that is to be able to directly reach those still inside of Dema (that had been already enrolled to the banditos during Overcompensate but perhaps are still inside the city) so they can start a riot directly inside the city

The issue I see with this is that if Clancy looses and gets captured again, the bishops will surely get rid of the antlers of Ned that Clancy has, making him powerless

[granite musk]

It makes sense!!! And that's exactly what we see in the Overcompensate MV!!

[graceful lynx]

unless they have a plan for that

[granite musk]

It would also mean that then the cycle would be broken

Because Dema would burn from inside then

[cerulean sentinel]

not sure if it was questioned, but is the bishop blinking in morse code?

[granite musk]

Maybe there's a way that he can still use it or that he might not need it

[pulsar pecan]

what if the part 2 to Clancy is releasing August 3 2025 or march 8

[lusty furnace]

I think some have found that it is and that is the initials of the name of Josh, but idk

[cerulean sentinel]

interesting

[granite musk]

Yes ! He does! It does DWJ, and in reversed, it does JWD, initials of Josh!

[pulsar pecan]

maybe the mv was supposed to release on Josh’s birthday if we found it earlier

[granite musk]

Exactly, because then, maybe what they are aiming for isn't Clancy, but the Torchbearer. Who is Clancy is he loses his leader? His guide?

[lusty furnace]

Is that before the tour's start? Because I don't think the guys would start the tour without releasing the whole thing

[graceful lynx]

that's actually very scary if you think of Routines in the Night having that scene with a singular Bishop cloak behind Josh

[pulsar pecan]

it’s after the tour I think

if it’s 2025

[lusty furnace]

I think the tour starts this year, no?

[granite musk]

MAYBE THEY KNOW THAT CLANCY'S WEAKNESS IS JOSH SO THEY ARE GOING TO THREATEN HIM BY AIMING FOR JOSH 😭😭

[pulsar pecan]

yeah it does

[lusty furnace]

So it should be before the tour starts, so before 2025 no?

[unborn jungle]

NOO

[graceful lynx]

"How dare you touch my pookie?" and Clancy turns into Megatron

[unborn jungle]

Not my pookie wookie

[lusty furnace]

I'm a Megatron, cogs I'm stepping on

[granite musk]

It makes sense too because in RITN, when Clancy sleeps, he's seeing as a nightmare... Josh being threatened by a bishop

[pulsar pecan]

if the part 2 for Clancy releases August 3 this year or 2025 it will not interfere with the tour

[graceful lynx]

yeah but if it releases before the setlist would just become a little cramped

[pulsar pecan]

so 8/3 2025 would make sense

many artists do release their deluxe a few months to a year after

so I wouldn’t judge

[graceful lynx]

oh, I'm dumb, I just noticed you're saying this because of the password of the video

[granite musk]

I wonder what they are preparing for the concerts and how they are going to manage. There's definitely more to see

[pulsar pecan]

it’s okay everyone’s confused today

[lusty furnace]

Yeahhhhhh

[graceful lynx]

I was too shy to ask why were you saying that specific date😭

[graceful lynx]

Tyler owes us a full video, therapy and about 11 songs

[pulsar pecan]

I agree

[graceful lynx]

Josh too, but I can forgive him

[granite musk]

Josh is pookie, can't be mad at him

[lusty furnace]

Tyler proximally on Twitter:

I'm sorry guys... For having high hopes on the fact that you were gonna find the video on time

[pulsar pecan]

I think we were supposed to solve it before Josh’s birthday but the reschedule date is the 25th

[granite musk]

PARDON MY DELAY

[graceful lynx]

a 5 dollar pdf on Amazon isn't exactly where I would be expecting to find a video url, Tyler 😞

[lusty furnace]

Did you forget we're tight on time? 😭

It was all planned!

🫠

[graceful lynx]

our eta was sadly not "two minutes"

[granite musk]

EeEEeeeverything conneeeeeeeeeectttssssssss JESUS

[graceful lynx]

and we were not right on time

[granite musk]

Do you think it was planned though? The date ? It had to take more

I don't know if Blurryface helping the clique was planned or no

[graceful lynx]

i believe it was intended to be found way earlier

[granite musk]

It would make sense yeah, well, early June I suppose

?

[lusty furnace]

But then why bother putting clues in the pdf?

[graceful lynx]

But I'm sure the actual video wasn't going to release until the 25 regardless of if we found it

[molten viper]

has anyone mentioned how clancy sharpened the antlers meaning he’s likely going to use them as physical weapons instead of psychic ones?

[lusty furnace]

I IMAGINED THAT

Tyler's plan is to sT4B the bishops XD

[graceful lynx]

he stabs a bishop and begins emoting as he posseses his corpse

[molten viper]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-dance-fortnite-emote-fortnite-snakepit-default-dance-gif-23988137

[graceful lynx]

Clancy fortnite skin

[lusty furnace]

Perfectly balanced 👆

[granite musk]

Nico thinking he's going to do telekinesis gospel-manipulation while Tyler beats the sh*t out of him with a screwdriver 😭🤣

[graceful lynx]

I would legitimately buy it if it came out

[molten viper]

i feel like this album drop would’ve been perfect for a festival pass but we got metallica instead 😞

[graceful lynx]

my hopes are that they're waiting for the deluxe album

[molten viper]

fingers crossed

[graceful lynx]

and then boom, I fly by the dangerous tilted towers

[granite musk]

These guys are the greatest artists 😭❤️

[molten viper]

we droppin at voldsøy

i saw a twitter thread about how josh’s character can represent a godlike figure? since he has guiding powers and is depicted with a constant light source in his hand
it also ties to tyler’s relationship with religion and his beliefs

[hearty quail]

has anyone tried to read morse from the flashes of lighting? we continue to hear the thunder during the violation interruptions. "lights they blink to me, transmitting things to me.. ones and zeroes.."

[granite musk]

What's this text?

[lusty furnace]

It's from the song Morph

[granite musk]

Ah yes, yes

But then

This sounds more like a binary code

[trail willow]

The budget for this mv must be insane

[granite musk]

That's where all the budget went and why the other videos are DIY lmaoooo

I genuinely think it's their biggest production!

[lusty furnace]

Cross fingers for hoping there's not just an MV but a movie 🫠

[molten viper]

i’m crossing my fingers for a 10 minute mv, the song itself is already around 6 minutes and the extra 4 can be used for dialogue and exposition

[lusty furnace]

Especially with the minute of silence, that could be extended!

Do you think the minute of silence is hiding some dialogues?

[trail willow]

The outside is 3.5 minutes and its mv was almost double

We can get between 11-12 mins

[molten viper]

oh for sure! either a discussion between nico/blurryface and tyler, or a “calm before the storm” moment (hence bird noises and overall calming nature vibes)

[lusty furnace]

Yeah but, the confrontation with Nico is after the minutes of silence. What bothers me is the fact that in this MV/teaser, they show Tyler/Clancy arriving at the tower before the minute of silence. Like, their lyrics don't match the video, I mean, what they're telling doesn't match visually

[thorny light]

not sure if this has been pointed out, but I noticed that the bishops have the black paint covered up until their nose bridge with only their eyes out, which looks VERY close to the photo of Josh and Tyler in the digital remains where everything is shadowed but their eyes!!

idk what significance this has but yeah

[lusty furnace]

Hey, that's true! And the sight of the bishop reminds of a mask or peripheral vision

[molten viper]

omg the bishops need moisturizer DESPERATELY

[thorny light]

yes, true!!!

[lusty furnace]

It's just as if he was wearing a hood/mask like Clancy

[molten viper]

too busy fighting banditos when we need to be fighting off our own DRY SKIN 😭

[versed verge]

what if tyler is a bishop 🤯

[lusty furnace]

In the MV of Vignette, at some point Tyler puts his hoodie over his head, covering it

Just like a bishop!

[midnight cipher]

okay see

here's my thoughts

[molten viper]

i could be reaching but both clancy and josh/torchbearers subtle nods to the bishops (eye lighting, hoodies, etc) could be a nod to their own struggles with vialism/suicidal ideation.

[midnight cipher]

clancy and nico definitely have a relationship (clancy calls him nico, when only "those who know him most know he goes by nico")

also the fact that clancy is the "prodigal son" is a super interesting line

along with clancy having the power to seize people

which only bishops have

so like there's definitely SOMETHING going on there

be it clancy being a bishop or something else

[versed verge]

and also going back to blurry face the album

[versed verge]

like they were superrrr connected together

especially in stressed out

and fairly local

[lusty furnace]

Was looking for the parts when he covered himself, sorry

[midnight cipher]

mhm mhm

[molten viper]

👀

[versed verge]

it would make sense since we don’t exactly know clancys origin and the only hint we have of his origin is home is explicitly said “i was born right here” while following up with calling himself a prodigal son

so yeah it would be crazy if nico was clancys father

[midnight cipher]

oh shoot the use of the word repentant is hella interesting

in this context

[lusty furnace]

Jesus was, in fact, Clancy during all this time

[midnight cipher]

tyler joseph jesus complex

[molten viper]

i’m not well versed in christianity and bible history so if someone found better connections to the parable of the prodigal son and the lore that’s happening i think that would be really interesting

[versed verge]

it seems as in this album clancy is accepting his origin too as he said in the overcompensate bts video that the color red was something they feared and now the banditos are now accepting it, maybe he’s accepting the fact that he his nicos son?

[lusty furnace]

Lemme see if I can find the parable

[lusty furnace]

Ah well, faster xD

[digital pagoda]

The parable is that a son leaves home and his father, squandering his money and inheritance and has to live with pigs. Then, he comes home to his father. And instead of his father getting mad at him, he hugs him and celebrates his return and throws a dinner party.

[midnight cipher]

the whole idea of a prodigal son returning after squandering wealth is really reminiscent of lavish

"welcome to the style you haven't seen in a while, it's lavish"

[midnight cipher]

theory: the father is nico, clancy is the son, paladin strait doesn't end in a fight between the two but rather a confrontation. clancy and nico sit together and vibe and chat

[lusty furnace]

Sorry dad, I never had to make fun of your penny loafers XD

[versed verge]

as much as nico seemed to have hated clancy and vise versa i don’t think nico is trying to kill clancy which is interesting

nico rather just used clancy to perform so he can keep him close

[midnight cipher]

yeah exactly, the fact that he greets clancy as an old friend at the end of paladin strait makes it seem like they're vibing

[versed verge]

if someone was starting problems in dema like clancy was, i feel like he would’ve eliminated clancy a long time ago

[midnight cipher]

tensely vibing, but still vibing

[midnight cipher]

mhm mhm, and to me the fact that he DIDN'T eliminate clancy, even after he escaped over and over, implies that they have a special connection

or clancy has some amount of say or something, idk

[amber apex]

I thought about this theory and made all kinds of connection but i never considered that this is literally part of the definition. AHHH.

[lusty furnace]

But I don't think he's vibing with him, he has been threatening him since Heavydirtysoul

[versed verge]

i thought their connection and clancy being able to have some of nicos power was more of like a harry potter and voldemort thing at first

[midnight cipher]

but he's never done anything about it

[versed verge]

but it’s starting to seem more like a star wars thing

[midnight cipher]

like clancy repeatedly escaped and keons had to bring him back every time but clancy seemingly was never punished

[versed verge]

yeah why is keons so close to clancy

and they didn’t hesitate to kill keons

but they hesitate to kill clancy

[midnight cipher]

well there's the obvious fact that keons wanted to help the banditos (sacrificing himself to let clancy seize him and stuff)

[midnight cipher]

EXACTLY

[lusty furnace]

But chasing your "son" with a horse to bring him back "home" (Jumpsuit) doesn't seem very friendly to me 🤔. Especially if it means him going back to vialisim and, consequently, commiting suicide

[versed verge]

but what’s the connection

[midnight cipher]

well yes, it isn't friendly, but after being brought back he just gets to live?

[midnight cipher]

dunno

just saying what we know

[lusty furnace]

But if they kill Clancy it would not be "suicide" it would be "murder"

[versed verge]

but they murdered their own bishop

[midnight cipher]

might just be that clancy and keons share a common goal (ending vialism?)

[versed verge]

that’s pretty big

[lusty furnace]

Because he betrayed them, no?

[molten viper]

i think the bishops taking clancy and forcing him to perform generic music (SAI lore wise) was a form of punishment due to the absolute lack of creativity clancy was given and citizens of dema assuming he was finally convicted

[peak spire]

What if the zombies, rather than being literal glorious gones, represent ghosts of Clancy/the Bandito's pasts?

Remember that Dema & the Trench universe as a whole are entirely contained within Tyler's head - thematically, it would make much more sense for Clancy & the Banditos to be fighting with their own traumatic experiences, regrets, intrusive thoughts, etc rather than literal suicide victims.

The bishops are personifications of the illnesses as a whole - what if the zombies they raise are personifications of the symptoms?

[granite musk]

Though, living in a prison doesn't really seem attractive 😭😂

[lusty furnace]

That's what I find it more like

[midnight cipher]

yes but by running away and joining the bishops is also a pretty big betrayal

[midnight cipher]

am i forgetting something 😭 when is he sent to prison?

[red flower]

This is why none of the "the banditos lose/make a truce in the end" theories don't sit right with me. They've portrayed the bishops as evil, they will stop at nothing to win, and winning to them means all the banditos die. It's not something you "just live with". At most I could see it ending with an endless cycle/conflict that never truly ends

[midnight cipher]

honestly that makes a lot of sense thematically

but in terms of the plot within tyler's head, i think they're the glorious gone

[granite musk]

Dema is a prison for your mind and also physically, you can't go out of it or you'll be dragged back (Jumpsuit), remember also when the banditos had to save him from the outside to get out!

[midnight cipher]

ah yes true

[versed verge]

i looked more into keons, is he trying to save clancys heavy dirty soul in a way?

[main pollen]

Take aim to obtain a new name in a newer place but my name is lame. I cant walk and I aint the same, and my name became a new destiny to the grave.

[lusty furnace]

Man, but I really want to see Tyler crushing the bishops 😭

[midnight cipher]

but if he started in dema then being taken back and having the same situation isn't much of a punishment

imo

[granite musk]

I like this theory a lot ! I don't think a simple truce would end something like that, unless it's an endless conflict... And I don't think Tyler would let the evil win, especially if it's a soulscape of his own mind

[lusty furnace]

Once I saw a theory, super good theory that explained why Keons was helping Tyler/Clancy

[midnight cipher]

i know that i can fight or i can let the lion win

[molten viper]

i begin to assemble what weapons i can find, cause sometimes to stay alive you gotta kill your mind

[midnight cipher]

exactly

a truce here would never work

[molten viper]

has tyler ever hinted to look more into vessel’s lyrics and include them in trench’s lore?

[midnight cipher]

either the lions (bishops) win, or the banditos keep on fighting

[midnight cipher]

i mean there are themes from way back to like. self-titled. and also rab has the song glowing eyes for example, which has SO many of the themes

[peak spire]

I think that makes the most immediate sense but it just feels so wrong thematically to me

[midnight cipher]

i mean, the bishops are using the people that have let vialism take them (if the glorious gone are who i think they are) as weapons to fight and protect vialism. seems pretty cut and dry to me

[peak spire]

like what does that represent? everything else in this universe represents something in the real world struggle with mental illness and has its place, so having one thing like that just doesn't is bizarre

[midnight cipher]

idk if he's ever explicitly told us to go back and look for the themes but those themes are definitely there

[peak spire]

within the dema universe it makes perfect sense sure, but as a metaphor for real struggles it doesn't to me

[midnight cipher]

ohhh

[peak spire]

maybe I'm missing something/it'll make more sense with the full video though

[molten viper]

exactly, the whole “truce” thing makes sense to be because in the real world you can never fully defeat your mental illnesses. but, you can learn to cope with them and figure out tools to keep it at bay.

[lusty furnace]

No but it makes sense what you said

[midnight cipher]

maybe something like "past experiences lead to habits, you have to break the habit of suicidalness or whatever to overcome depression?"

[cunning helm]

its not too clear in my head but it could represent the concept of losing to suicide. staring at the thing you want to avoid, having to fight it

something along those lines

[peak spire]

okay I like that a lot actually

[peak spire]

I think if you take the view of Dema being entirely Clancy/Tyler/Anyone's self-localized struggles, this makes a ton of sense, but it's a little harder to conceptualize when you take a wider viewpoint (hopefully that makes sense?)

what im trying to say is it depends on whether you view people in dema as projections/figments of the protag's imagination (i.e fake josh) vs real people across the world in their own various struggles which has always been a really gray line for me wrt the lore

[red flower]

I think that connects more to the idea in Neon Gravestones that if you die they'll use you as a weapon, someone else pointed out that the zombies are literally using the neon as swords

[lusty furnace]

I think Tyler had also tried to (somehow) show that these "problems" or struggles in our minds are part (or could be part) of everyone in a bigger or smaller scale. For example he says in Fake You Out "our minds are sick but that's okay" he's talking about "our" like not just him

[peak spire]

that's what I thought at first too but like - how are people who are already dead weaponized in the real world?

[cunning helm]

threats, they can be used as martyrs in a sense, a warning sign

neon gravestones is about people using suicide as a weapon so

i feel like the thematic tie is a bit obvious

[red flower]

The amount of attention they get makes their actions attractive to people in similar situations

[midnight cipher]

maybe it's like past suicidal attempts? (i'm gonna censor this cause it could be triggering but it's about suicidal attempts) ||so in terms of like. cutting yourself. every time you do it, you're left with those scars. they're reminders that you've done it before, so thus you can and should do it again. you have to overcome that. or something. i dunno||

and the seized glorious gone represent those past scars

[peak spire]

no yeah it definitely is meant to represent everyone's struggles, but what I'm getting at is whether or not there is one larger dema that everybody experiences or if there are multiple different demas (tldr is it our in the sense that each person has their own dema or our in the sense that everybody shares one dema)

[molten viper]

i know that there’s a lot of ties to tyler’s personal struggles within these albums but i fear that trying to connect those too hard in the lore is disrespectful so i’ll do my best to hold back lol

[midnight cipher]

OH ALSO IN NEON GRAVESTONES "some could be tempted to use those mistakes as a form of aggression, a form of a weapon"

[lusty furnace]

Ah okok, gotcha now

[granite musk]

Idk but I'm team 'Tyler's gonna crush Nico so hard he's gonna end up six feet under'
SLAAAYYYY

[peak spire]

like to me dema was always a personal thing - I always viewed it as a story with a main character that anybody could insert themselves into rather than a story that the whole world was already in

[midnight cipher]

also the line "i'm not disrespecting what was left behind, just pleading that it does not get glorified" relates to my theory about scars and such

[molten viper]

i find it interesting how torchbearer and clancy are buddy-buddy after they meet up again, seeing as clancy used psychokinesis to control a body for a short period of time and that’s something that torchbearer and the banditos are so heavily against. was torchbearer ever aware that clancy possessed someone? my memory is a bit foggy

[midnight cipher]

didn't he do it on voldsoy, when the only people around were neds?

and clancy's torchbearer astral projection

but that wouldn't count

also imo it's possible that they'd be chill with it because he's using it to take down the bishops and teach the citizens of dema to reject vialism

[molten viper]

true…i suppose ill have to wait and see lol

[lusty furnace]

But when does the full length MV for PS will come outttttt 😭😭

[peak spire]

it is, but ||people who use suicide as a weapon are usually trying to use it as a way to make people who wronged them feel guilty for it/things along those lines|| which doesn't really fit wrt zombies attacking the banditos - I think that part of NG is separate from the lore and simply an observation on the real world

[midnight cipher]

just now, right in front of your eyes

[peak spire]

I responded to the wrong message lol

[lusty furnace]

Wanna believe it will be this 25, so it's not that long, but with these guys idk ;-;

[peak spire]

obviously that's what NG is about I mean like

[peak spire]

this

[midnight cipher]

"some could be tempted to use this mistake as...a form of a weapon... well i'm refusing the lesson"

[peak spire]

no yeah I misreplied 😭 I wasn't disputing the meaning of neon gravestones as a song I was disputing the meaning of the zombies in the video specifically

[midnight cipher]

ah i see i see

[plain tapir]

people have already seen this right?

[lusty furnace]

Plot twist, in the end, Nico/Blurryface was just Duolingo

[plain tapir]

The website finally loaded for me again

Whoops my bad just realized that this is old news lol

[peak spire]

okay I edited this to hopefully make more sense LOL

[amber apex]

Trigger warning: ||suicide||

i dunno. In the "next semester" music video (mv) there is one clip where tyler is on the street wearing the CLANCY mask. In this song "home" is also mentioned in the lyrics: "i prayed those light would take me home" - imo most likely referring to home being ||death aka heaven since i interpret this song to be about a suicide attempt.
My theory:

• next semester is about tylers suicide attempt

• he felt overwhelmed and didnt know how to handle everything ("whats about to happen")

• in this point of his life he is very close to the idea of VIALISM

• he almost gives in to his inner demons that are making him feel like suicide will be the answer to all his struggles and is something comforting to strive towards

• in this moment the mv connects a real situation from his past with the world and characters 21 pilots built to represent their inner conflicts and mental healt.

• there are 2 contradicting ways to move past this situation

• one is to commit suicide "take me home" -> vialism/dema/blurriface/nico

• the other is "start fresh next semester" -> clancy

• the person in the car that gives him the advise "cant change what you have done, start fresh next semester" makes him consider the second option.

• I think this might be the origin story of all of this. The song is most likely about a situation Tyler actually found himself in when he was younger or something that could have happened during those years, something he thought about maybe.

• to cope with this he "created this world to feel some control"

• this imo this is the origin story of both blurryface and clancy. Home takes the role of both his actual home (maybe even a connection to midwest indigo) and heaven aka the place demas propaganda: vialism makes suicide out to be.||

||- prodical son could therefor be interpreted the following way:

• since tyler is christian he might think that home as in heaven can only be reached by being your best self. I also think that most christians (i am not very well informed so please correct me if im wrong) think that its against god to commit suicide and might actually keep you from going to heaven.
• looking back at a time in his life where he was close to making this huge mistake of suicide he might have changed his understanding of "home"
• past tyler thought he could reach home through vialism -> heaven through suicide
• current tyler defines home differently. Home could be the banditos, his fans, his actual family and friends, or maybe jenna (connection to jennas version).
• throughout his life he left his home and behaved recklessly and nearly ended his life
• but later he makes a return to the home he now thinks of.

Lyrics in this context:

• "i was born right here": clancy was born in DEMA. he was the hope that sparked in a very tragic moment surrounded by vialism. Hope that was sparked by one random comment some driver told him out of nowhere.
• "prodical son - done running": in next semester tyler and clancy have to run away from the cars to not die. Now he realizes that the cars might not be to problem and therefor cant be resolved by running. The problem is blurryface and vialism. They make him go stand in the middle of the street. To deal with this problem clancy has to confront blurryface instead of running away. ||

next semester timed link to where tyler wears the clancy mask:
https://youtu.be/a5i-KdUQ47o?si=d2YNQEgUhNEga5Ft&t=100

[molten viper]

holy shit you cooked

[queen abyss]

Cooked then ate

[amber apex]

thx :)
i do however think this theory can also be combined with others. the lore can be seperate to their inspiration.
Clancy and nico are just two sides of the same coin (tylers mind?). They might be the same person in universe too. They might be connected, family, whatever. At this point i think there are so many connections with everything that most theories can be correct and even make sense ...
i think im in too deep

[twilit geode]

So not sure if someone mentioned this reddit post yet https://new.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1dki9od/i_made_all_parts_of_the_music_video_we_have_match/ but assuming that these all line up correctly with the song, i'm not sure we're going to get a definitive ending here, this definitely isn't "the end" imo

[paper warren]

To kind of branch off the Next Semester theory, when the lights head towards him the first two times in the sequence, he does the almost the same movement and goes in the same direction(his right). The third time he panics a little bit, then heads in the opposite direction of the first two(his left). The last time, this time in the Clancy mask he holds strong until the last second, basically staring death in the face, then sidesteps to the right. He wasn't scared like the other times.

He repeats the cycle, then breaks it, then comes to terms with it.

It could also be a physical representation of the albums, being Blurryface and Trench as the first two(similar vibes), SAI as the third(new direction/vibes), and Clancy being the fourth(Welcome back to Trench)

[hidden sparrow]

so i noticed the interruption at 2:29 sounds a lot different than the others, all of the dema messages in the video except this one have the same "rumbling" sound effect with nico's voice in reverse on a few of them. at 2:29 though i put it through a spectrogram and it kind of looks like there might be something there, although i could also just be seeing nothing. wondering what some other people think about this

[amber apex]

This makes sense. Maybe "winning" and "loosing" are the wrong categories to describe how it will end.
Mental health is a never ending cycle. You will never beat your inner demons. If you stay strong and have a supporting environment, strategies to cope, people who can help you out, someone who is beliving in your ability to get though dark times: "a glimpse of visual aid that you are on the other shoreline whaiting expectations that im gonna make it" ... then your inner demons will never beat you too.
After some time you might actually come to terms with it.
I think this is the main take away of oldies station:

"Make an oath then make mistakes,
Start a streak you’re bound to break,
...
Add some years, build some trust,
You start to feel your eyes adjust,

When darkness rolls on you,
Push on through"

"You don’t quite mind how long red lights (blurryface) are taking,
...
You have it down, that old fight for survival"

Im not sure what this means for paladin strait tho.
Even if you "have it down, that old fight for survival" you might still unecpectedly drop into a "It's a different blue, it’s deeper than it’s been" (midwest indigo, a song that tyler said in interviews is about where he grew up) phase.
Maybe this is the case for this MV? Maybe your old coping habits just dont cut it in those moments? Maybe you feel like you have to deal with them once and for all, you might even feel empowered to do so like clancy is with all the banditos and the toarchbear at his side.
But i always come back to blurryface and it just doesnt sit right with me that the finale would end with eather clancy = hope losing or blurryface losing because none of these would make sense to me in the mental health interpretation.

1. Option:
   clancy tried to beat his fears and looses to them after so many attempts. He will loose all of his control to the bishhops and maybe commit to vialism in the end? I dont see it as the final episode of a over 10 years old story

2. Option:
   Blurryface loses: Clancy breaks the cycle and finishes off tylers fears. But how? By just fighting them with pure force and anger? Thats not how you get rid of your fears and depressing thoughts. You might tune them out ("only consistency in your periphery is fear in the edge of your nose. As you move about you learn to tune them out") for a bit but they will come back

[quasi thistle]

Almost looks like it could be another blurryface sighting but it’s too loose to be sure

[little marsh]

i never expected zombies

[paper warren]

If I'm to be completely honest, in my own theory I believe that the final battle in PS will be a stalemate. Neither win, neither lose. Some lives(or memories/coping mechanisms) both good and bad, will be lost. But I believe that the final confrontation won't truly be the end of it all, just the end of this part of the story.

In the PS trailer, the glorious gone took an offensive stance when they came to face the banditos. They're representation of the bad memories and unhealthy coping mechanisms. The banditos, however, took a more defensive stance. They're representation of the healthier(albeit maybe not the best) coping mechanisms and memories.

"Peace will win, fear will lose." And "We'll win, but not everyone will get out" stand out heavily to me, but not in a "banditos are gonna win" type of way. The option that brings peace will win, pushing through the fear. I'm afraid that a sacrifice may happen though

[twilit geode]

I saw somewhere someone suggested that the banditos and bishops would call a truce, I think that fits the narrative similarly to dealing with mental health, maybe it’s a representation of accepting you’ll have both sides always, a way of each side coming to terms with each other, in theory breaking the back and forth cycle of fighting each other

[torn steeple]

“It’s a tribute to zombies of which I’ve become”

[midnight cipher]

mindless zombies walking around

[versed verge]

No iirc it was from the website dmaorg tho i can’t check by myself cuz wifi sucks

[amber apex]

My optimistic thought:
Maybe clancy and Blurryface actually understand each other. They are not against each other. They are human instincts, triggered by trauma.

Blurryface is trying to help tyler. When tyler gets overwhelmed blurryface is always there for him. When tyler cant deal with his emotions Blurryface has an answer and he doesnt really want anything back. This is shown in Backslide:

"
Benefit from a shoe with no lace, (the easy option, doesnt require you to tie the shoe)
Take the seat with the crease in it, (a seat that has been used many times and has been worn out over time. Why? because its comfortable, its constand, reliable familiar to tyler)
...
Reach my hand above the tide,
I’ll take anything you have,
If you could throw me a line,
I should’ve loved you better,
Do you think that now’s the time
You should let go?
"

in the 2. part i think tyler or maybe even clancy is talking to blurryface. He finds himself completely overwhelmed ("Cause I feel the pull, water’s over my head") unable to breathe. In this dire situation he reaches his hand above the tide - reaches out to get help from blurryface. This way blurryface seems to be "above the tide" and therefor not threatened by the overwhelming emotions. He knows blurryface is reliable and can get him out of his situation. tyler/clancy is asking him to throw a line.

This also connects to one of clancys letters where he finds himself somewhere out of dema in trench. In this letter clancy expresses his wish for (i dont remember, eather keons or nico) to show up. Trench is scary, unfamiliar and unreliable. conciosly he might really deal with the situation himself and finally escape dema. But somewhere deep down he knows that he also benefits from dema. He knows he is still dependent of DEMA.

"I should’ve loved you better" honestly could also speak about his younger self. By loving himself better at a younger age his insecurities might have never grown this much. He might have never questioned his happiness and right to life. But he didnt so he is stuck with blurryface. If this line is talking about blurryface though it still makes sense imo.

Tyler created this world to feel some control. He did so by breaking different aspects of himself into different characters.
Clancy says: "I've got two faces Blurry's the one I'm not - I need your help to take him out" (Goner lyrics). He wants to distance himself from blurryface. But he is dependent of him.

But Blurryface is dependent of clancy as well.
I think The first verse of Goner might be from Blurry's POV:
"I'm a goner, somebody catch my breath
I wanna be known by you"
This makes me think of Trees:
"Silent in the trees
Why won't you speak
Where I happen to be?
Silent in the trees
Standing cowardly"

Blurryface as an representation of tylers anxios thoughts is cowardly. He doesnt take what he wants and leads the was. He is scared. But why would anyone / anything be scared? You can only be scared if different outcomes of a situation are more and less desirable. If you are hoping for a specific outcome the thought that you might fail and miss out on this thing can be scary.
Everyone has some degree of need for human connection. Its quite common to be socially anxios. To be scared of not being able to connect with someone. When I feel this way I often think of "trees". I can see myself standing cowardly in the trees - anxios - scared - unable to get out of my shell. In those moment im silent - even though my biggest wish and need is to talk to someone.

Together they give each other comfort. Its a habit that keeps you alive for some time. Like every habit it can also lead to a bad place. Getting a little dopamine and relaxing a bit from a traumatic experience by whatever works for you ||(drinking, lottery, watching something to distract yourself etc.)|| can be ok for a moment. It might help you get though a breakup or a sad realization. But if you lean in too much for too long its a toxic cycle. You become dependent on it. It becomes your only choice to not get overwhelmed further. Blurryface makes it really easy to become way too comfortable with his solutions. He might truly think vialism will lead to the best outcome. That vialism resolves all your problems.
Clancy luckily understands that vialism wont safe him. He wants to break the habit and become independent.

The clips of the paladin strait mv seem to show clancys way of doing so: brute force. "Show yourself i yell louder" he screams on top of the tower. The banditos are fighting the glorious gone. but Nico might not respond to this approach the way clancy thinks he would. In one clancy letter clancy describes the writing process for SAI. He had to write each song in a room in dema, being monitored by all bishhops. "But he was never there". If im right "he" is most most most likely referring to Nico. If my connections make sense blurryface is scared to get out of the shadows like described in "trees". Clancy is trying to deal with the personification of tylers fears and insecurities by shouting for him, urging him to show himself face to face.
While there might be some coaches that tell you that you just have to confront your fears and deal with them i think its unlikely to yield positive returns in this case.
Clancy would have to understand blurryface. Despite all his anger he could try to understand where nico is coming from. What is motives are. Why he behaves the way he does. Maybe this way nico would be able to slowly open up. They could talk through their differences. They could realize that both of them originated from the same origin.

(clany himself sais he originated right in front of your eyes, in Dema... maybe if im correct as a result of tylers traumatic experiences)
(we dont really know nicos origin but a fair possibility is that he was born the same way clancy was. As a representation of tylers mind. A mind that lead him to the situation described in next semester. He might have grown for some time bevore tyler stood on that street. He might have filled tylers void and pushed him further... until in that random moment someone driving by said "start fresh next semester". At this point he might have been joined by clancy. by hope and an alternative path to vialism)
In the end both of they would still remain different. They might realize they are toxic the way they are and that they are dependent on eachother none the less. Maybe they need to take things slow? distance themselves a bit and over time build themselves new strategies to cope with that dont rely on each other as much.
I think this is an veryyyy unrealistic ending to this story, at least in such a direct story. but maybe this is what the underlying message will be?

[molten viper]

tyler be honest is this your burner account

[amber apex]

I completely understand. Those lyrics really stand out to me as well. I think that like most mv it will have a lot of room for interpretations :)

[amber apex]

haha, no xd.
Im pretty sure he would enjoy seeing us being completly clueless xd. Also im pretty sure he wouldnt make so many typos xd

[molten viper]

lol either way i love the way you explain your theories! i look forward to each post

[frank magnet]

HEY CAMPERS

[meager raft]

The bishop kinda looks like Jenna 😅

[vapid bronze]

you guys How did they get to the website and how did they know that the password was that? I got lost

[frank magnet]

Do any of the DR pictures line up with the mv?

[vapid bronze]

AND I AM VERY EXCITED I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT LOOKS GREAT JBEFYBQIWAESUDVDYUIRHOFRE

[frigid cape]

@pallid robin

[midnight cipher]

the 103_37 in the website url are the page numbers of two of the digital remains images that linked together, the password (8325) were the other two that fit with those two

[vague walrus]

Oh so they are giving up numbered hints

[midnight cipher]

? wdym by numbered hints

[versed verge]

finally got to get through the website to download the og video without discord compression

i found nothing

[hearty quail]

just want to point out that there are 2 black frames in the video, the first at 2:05 and the second at 2:45. not sure if that matters

[split seal]

More like lightsabers, lol

[split seal]

Does the real torchbearer have memories from anything the Voldsoy torchbearer did? Cause that version definitely saw Clancy using Psychokinesis at least, if not what happened on the other side of it

[graceful lynx]

I don't think he has seen him but he very likely knew Clancy was able to do that since the very beginning

Clancy said that he doesn't know how, but the Torchbearer somehow seems to have planned all of what happened regarding Voldsoy and his newfound powers

I don't remember the exact words

[viral cedar]

I feel like Torchcbearer would believe Tyler even if he’s again seizing

[graceful lynx]

but he then literally sakd "but how could any of this be planned?"

[midnight cipher]

i mean, voldsoy torchbearer shouldn't, right? cause he was just a figment of clancy's imagination?

[graceful lynx]

it wasn't precisely Clancy's imagination only

[midnight cipher]

correct me if i'm wrong

[graceful lynx]

it's the manifestation of the Torchbearer's ability to guide

he IS imaginary, but Clancy didn't invent him at all, Torchbearer himself did

[split seal]

Was he though? I thought Tyler said in the livestream that the Torchbearer had the ability to "guide" people, implying that what we saw on Voldsoy was still "real" in some capacity

[midnight cipher]

oh interesting, what is the source for this?

[split seal]

That and the fact the Ned's appearently saw him too

Not just Clancy

[graceful lynx]

it is like if someone sended you instructions trough telephaty

but with an illusion of himself appearing right in front of you to make you believe the telepath in question is actually there

that's why Clancy reacts confused once he sees the actual Torchbearer in front of him

[midnight cipher]

ohhhhhh interesting

this is coming from the livestream from release day?

[graceful lynx]

yeah

it's my interpretation of what they said

they said "The Bandito torchbearer is the real one"

"He does this because he also has an ability, the ability to guide"

[midnight cipher]

ah yeah no i never had a chance to watch that all the way through and only watched the mvs

[graceful lynx]

I understand

I also had a lot of trouble watching it

[midnight cipher]

i see i see

[graceful lynx]

In my country, electricity tends to go out in periods of 4 hours at random times

[graceful lynx]

to save power

[molten viper]

i’d assume so, would be a bit odd if he didn’t

[graceful lynx]

AND THOSE BASTARDS DECIDED TO DO ONE OF THOSE LATE AT NIGHT DURING THE LIVESTREAM😭

[molten viper]

i know 😭😭 had me up till four am watching their stream and playing the album on repeat

[graceful lynx]

still, I watched it later pretending it was live

[graceful lynx]

Me

I have to confess I listened to Midwest Indigo before the release because I thought it was a fake one until it was already too late for me to turn back 😞

I'm a felon, you can put me into solitary confinement if you want, I deserve it

[molten viper]

i had the leaks in my possession but i never listened to them 🤞 tyler was telepathically threatening me

[graceful lynx]

He seized you

There's something I want to point out about the MV

I saw someone point out that Clancy took a rope with him but seemingly is only using it as a belt and as a holder for his weapon

But I think the rope is a weapon itself

Why?,

well

"Tie a noose around your mind, loose enough to breath fine and tie it to a tree tell it 'you belong to me. This ain't a noose this is a leash and from now on you must obey me'."

[forest cypress]

I been saying that the paladin strait mv was gonna drop June 25th since the beginning …. Do u guys rlly believe in the additional album/ songs June 25th????

[vernal kraken]

Also would help explain Jumpsuit lyrics.
"I can't believe how much I hate
Pressures of a new place roll my way"
Then
"I'll be right there
But you'll have to grab my throat and lift me in the air
If you need anyone
I'll stop my plans
But you'll have to tie me down and then break both my hands
If you need anyone"
Like hes feeding into the cycle of going to Nico when he can't handle something. But it's almost like Nico is needs him as much as he needs Nico, hence the ill be right there but you'll have to grab my throat and lift me in the air if you need anyone. He's telling Nico he'll always come back wether he likes it or not.

[paper warren]

Not to mention Snap Back where it says "If I'm gonna snap necks then I've gotta Snap back"

[acoustic wasp]

i wonder if this is titled twenty one pilots - Paladin Strait (Official Music Video - Good Day Dema Edit)

[clever fern]

We are getting the MV today

and the MV is 1 min shorter than the song in the album, does that mean that there is a possibility of the d/d album? idk

[wide quartz]

Some are saying it's just cutting out the birds chirping but that doesn't make sense. The min long chirping is on the original song so why they take it out for the mv?

[clever fern]

we will see

at 2 pm

in my local time

[plain folio]

in mine at 22.00

[warm berry]

Can't wait, the colourful version looks soo much prettier

[bronze sonnet]

Why did the post abt paladin strait say track 13 instead of the track name?

[wide quartz]

I think it's because it's supposed to be the last track. But on Twitter where the band announced it they put it as track 13. Further pushing this probably isn't the end of the album

[granite musk]

They didn't say "Final track", they said "Track 13". 🤔

Am I overthinking?

[kindred kraken]

I was wondering the same thing 😂

[limpid wedge]

not sure if this was talked about already but why is clancy the only one in red?!

to me that says he wants bishops to see him, he’s not protecting himself by wearing yellow, what does this mean!!!!!

[torn tundra]

i opened this chat to post about that lol

cause the whole point of wearing yellow is for the banditos to protect themselves from
the bishops, but i feel like clancy being in red is cause hes intentionally coming there to confront them

he's making himself a target, because he wants them to come out and fight him

[whole hazel]

he's not the only one in red...

[full holly]

I’m rlly late to this but I’m assuming we already talked about the fact that the mv is super bright and colorful and the clip we found yesterday was gray and dull?

[torn tundra]

are we sure thats not just the lighting

[whole hazel]

serious answer the red represents taking back control and fighting back imo

[torn tundra]

the red is the bishops colour

[whole hazel]

yea they're wearing a clancy hat too with red tape in the same spot

it's rlly weird

[torn tundra]

2 clancys???

[whole hazel]

ALSO rebel red (from chlorine) AND

[torn tundra]

OH THATS COOL

[limpid wedge]

“clancy baby name meaning” HAHAHAH

[whole hazel]

"hello clancy"
"gooo gaaaaaaaaaah"

[whole hazel]

also this has made ppl theorize that clancy and tyler are keons and nico's sons respectively

but idk

[torn tundra]

i saw that

would fit with the prodigal son line in overcompensae

[whole hazel]

also "ride or die, my son" from no chances

[whole hazel]

it also relates to jesus just kind of how clancy seems to be sacrificing himself for the greater good in paladin strait

there's so much!!!

[marble shuttle]

It seems like there's another one with red stripes and the cat mask, also showing whole face (blurred out behind tyler)

[whole hazel]

OMG YOURE RIGHT

he's got fans in dema 🥹

[torn tundra]

he doess

clancy cosplayers

OH THEORY

IN OVERCOMPENSATE THEN THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE PUTTING ON RED TAPE

so what if the red tape is like rebels from within the city and then yellow tape is the banditos

idk

[whole hazel]

oh god i'm trying to find it but earlier i saw on twt that in paladin strait they copy paste people so there's multiple of ppl

both of the people we screenshotted could actually be the same person lol

[whole hazel]

banditos from trench, rebels within dema yea!

[limpid wedge]

i said this back in 2018 when trench lore was huge but i really liked the way they made all these outlets to the lore because we keep going down different “what if” paths and all this lore and story is sort of distracting ourselves from our own negativities idk maybe that was the point all along but ive never seen all this lore the same after having that realization years ago, the pilots (all 21 of them) know what they’re doing and it just goes to show their dedication to providing a space for their fans to put their focus on something else

[torn tundra]

what if jt literally is tyler just super blurry in the background

now the question is.. if youre a 21 pilots fan attending a concert in the clancy era, should you put on red or yellow tape?

[whole hazel]

there's a better pic of it that i cant find but look

[whole hazel]

red

[whole hazel]

EXACTLY. there's a million lose ends and threads to encourage theories and discussion

[limpid wedge]

how about half mustard half ketchup 😭

[whole hazel]

here's a better shot

they copy pasted and mirrored his ass..

i caught the yellow beanie guy multiple times in one shot as well

[torn tundra]

now that i see it i cant unsee it

[whole hazel]

LMAOO IM SORRY

[torn tundra]

NAH YR GOOD LOL

[whole hazel]

also look at how fuckin rad this guy is. he's too cool for the colors

[torn tundra]

aww man i wanna be a bandito

[eager belfry]

Dont know if anyone has said this yet but I feel like there's going to be 2 music videos, this one coming out today just being the next step in the arg

[marble shuttle]

I get the technical side of multiplying people for the effect, but wouldn't they know who to leave out while copying if they didn't want red to show up again in the crowd?

While we want to be the banditos, I feel like some of us really do identify more with tyler's role. And if yellow is for the rebels outside of dema and red for the ones inside, I imagine it would be nice to choose your color depending on your personal state.
For me, yellow tape shows the hope and support from outside, meaning your friends and family, the banditos, the one who fight with and for you. Putting red on yourself means willingness to face your inner demons. You feel seen by the bishops, thus vulnerable. But it is an act of bravery.

[nocturne hinge]

agreed. especially with the length being 5:24 and them not calling it the last track, i definitely think there's gonna be something more

not to mention like: we still don't have the answer to whatever Ultimate Chapter is

[whole hazel]

i 100% agree with you, you put it in way better words than i could. obviously having even just one person other than tyler in red is intentional and i definitely agree it has that meaning, just thought it was funny because the other one was probably the same person hahaha

[eager belfry]

It's going to be a fake out ending where Clancy kills the bishops then he's on the cliff at trench singing paladin straight, then Dema warning, new code

[whole hazel]

the act of wearing red instead of yellow is definitely a representation more of fighting back, and the bandito yellow represents unison "in trench i'm not alone" type stuff.

the way i put it is that red is badass

[eager belfry]

It's also not a colour that the bishops can't see, more like a statement of "we ain't hiding anymore, come get us mf"

[whole hazel]

exactly!!!

it's facing things head on and putting and end to the cycle

but one is not without the other, red and yellow very much work in unison. that's why i love the clancy album art so much

[eager belfry]

Or don't want to be a Downer but, could mean change and the cycle continuing, since the bishops are red and Clancy has been slowly wearing more red since then

[whole hazel]

josh being in yellow also is cool to me because his role in the story AND in music is much more of a supportive role, whereas tyler/clancy red is a badass main character yk

[torn tundra]

thats what i was saying befofe with the clancy is wearing it to be like "bishops come fight me" thing

[bronze sonnet]

I’m pretty sure it’s a mix of the banditos and the people from the overcompensate mv

[eager belfry]

I've been saying this for a bit now but the theory that I have is at the end of the official paladin straight MV, not the one we're getting now but the second one, it will be revealed that Clancy was a rouge bishop all along and had Nico as a pseudonym to fill in the empty 9th position.

[torn tundra]

that does make sense, but there seems to be so much stuff about nico and clancy fighting against each other, nico bringing clancy back to dema when he escapes, that makes me doubt theyre the same person

[eager belfry]

But hear me out, what if the person bringing Clancy back isn't Nico, or rather be it, a vision, Nico is the personification of Clancy's will to go back to Dema

How could Nico just go into a banditos camp in levitate and not be spotted at all

[fathom lotus]

We did it guys... 3pm EST today... We're finally here... 😱😮😲😭🙏🏻

[torn tundra]

truueeee

[eager belfry]

That's why I'm saying, my overall theory, is that Clancy is a bishop, his bishop name, Andre A.K.A "The Eye" the person who sees all, the person, who we've been watching from their viewpoint

(there's also more evidence to this but too lazy rn fr fr)

[split seal]

I’ve heard speculation that the Bishop seen in the teaser is played by Jenna

But Jenna is a Bandito

As seen in Levitate

If she’s supposed to part of the lore at all, she can’t be both

[idle flame]

Apparently 21.june is often known as the longest day in the year (summer solstice)
Just curious if there is something special about the date the mv is getting released?
Do we think the video always was supposed to be released on this day or did we just not figure things out fast enough?

[paper warren]

There's also a full moon tonight

[frank narwhal]

Today is world music day too

[paper warren]

In Overcompensate, it says "Days feel like the perfect length, I don't need them any longer. But for goodness sake, do the years seem way to short for my soul" but they waited until summer solstice to drop the video

And in Saturday, it says "Weeks feel like days" meaning that he feels like time is going too fast/hazy memories(especially with "Medicate in the afternoon" line)

[paper warren]

The last verse after the break is missing

[nocturne hinge]

PALADIN STRAIT DEMA CUT ANALYSIS

so people don’t get confused with analyses of the full video

[uneven timber]

GUYS, CLANCY: DIGITAL REMAINS EDITION IS LEAKED BY APPLE MUSIC

WRONG THREAD UGH 😭

[foggy prawn]

Dema also altered the video by making him play guitar instead of the uke???

[molten viper]

there’s no way we aren’t getting a double album or at the very least an extra song

[sonic mauve]

During the live stream he said it's just a bigger uke / lower register

[foggy prawn]

No it wasn’t a baritone, in the one from the website it had six strings and was quite literally a guitar

Like not just sounded like one it sounded like a uke but they showed a guitar

[split bloom]

wtf why is nobody talking about this

[umbral silo]

It's a non-starter. I think it was the album that you received if you got the digital remains

The extra songs are live versions of things I believe

[split bloom]

Oh okay, had me excited lol

[umbral silo]

It had me in the first half too not going to lie

[amber apex]

that makes sense

[molten viper]

i’m honestly surprised that the discord isn’t going crazy with theories rn i think we’re all just trying to process what happened lol

[versed verge]

2 clancys, psychic powers, flying nico and zombies

[lost lion]

Yeah it's just live songs

[versed verge]

yeah its a lot

theory there is a missing minute from the music video

[shell tulip]

do you guys think that paladin strait could be written to nico? i know most ppl theorise about it being written to jenna or josh. but ya know nico was the one waiting for him, and he was ready to face him ya know

[amber apex]

Whoah. This makes a lot of sense.

Could also be referring to the banditos/josh since he can only get to them after facing Nico if he doesn’t drown/taken control of. Nico in this interpretation would be the thing holding him back from those waiting for him on the other side.

But I like your theory. I’ll think about it some more later