#Double Album Confirmed

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cloud lynx
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that's literally kinda what they seem to be doing more and more

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no?

wraith gulch
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Completely agree

cloud lynx
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yaay

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like

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what's happening even since the Latam leg, has to have a "climax", or has to go somewhere

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like

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it's all building up since Latam, it's even more building up now in Europe
almost like there's gonna be some kind of revelation or plot twist

tame tendon
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Could someone remind me whose handwriting is today’s letter

tidal timber
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i dont think we know yet but i mightve missed that

wraith gulch
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Possible new tour leak? hmm. Supposedly this has happened with other artists.

lean mango
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Wellll, finding out that Tyler just founded a record label is kinda huge

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That significantly opens up the possibility of a double album because then he doesn't have to follow a typical major label promo cycle at all

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still not sure if the lore leans that direction but we'll see

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I'm very curious

tribal raptor
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That's a fascinating bit of speculation you have there.

tribal raptor
tame tendon
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This is about 9 months late but I wanted to mention, Paramore ditched FBR and went to Atlantic for their last album, then they ditched Atlantic and that’s when they made their own label

olive plume
quaint steppe
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My bad that’s true! Makes much more sense to as gives them time to fly home and prep

tame tendon
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To me even 3 days seems too short to go all the way from London to Columbus and set up for a big celebration

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Super late reply but I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if Clancy is the last album under FBR because they completely ditched TOP after they “missed” on SAI so they’re just giving them one more album before ditching them altogether

olive plume
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i’m incredibly cautious to believe all this silence and “weirdness” this era is because the band is trying to quietly fulfill their contract with FBR before exploding and doing all the promo for a new album with their own label sometime later this year

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because i feel like, even if they go independent, the clancy name has to be under some FBR contract? so if they Do do a clancy part 2 or a deluxe or whatever, it has to still be under FBR? unless my understanding of all this is wrong

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the closest thing, in my own personal experience to understand this, would be authors getting dropped by their agent and/or publisher in the middle of a series and then needed to go indie or self-pub the rest of their series. maybe this could apply here? if that is what’s happening here? i’m not sure

tame tendon
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If I had to guess, maybe just ultimate chapter under FBR and that is it for TOP’s relationship with them

native orchid
tame tendon
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Now I’m a bit confused did this label thing only just happen?

olive plume
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it got released in articles about balu brigada recently

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and i know there’s an overlap of fans of both bands, since balu is opening for them, but i don’t know if the overlap encompasses Let Me Read Every Article Posted About This Band like so many of us are with the pilots

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the billboard article i linked above is from yesterday though

tame tendon
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Oh whoa

native orchid
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Huge news! Double album really makes sense now

tame tendon
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I mean it made some sense before but if Tyler made his own label then he must be making it for something coming very soon

native orchid
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Yeah! I think he may announce that just before pt. 2 maybe? That’s why he didn’t yet?

tame tendon
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What if he doesn’t want us to know about this new label because of this reason

cloud lynx
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this would explain a lot of things

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in fact

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some people have already speculated about that, like maybe it's their last album under FBR or something's going on

olive plume
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i don’t know if anybody else are fans of meet me @ the altar but they recently also announced they’re independent again (after signing with FBR) (but their guitarist/bass player also left)

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something definitely going on with FBR

left kite
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This totally makes sense. If you notice, Tyler and Josh never said this record is the end of the Clancy storyline, they've always been careful to say era. It's FBR that has been saying it's the final record.

shell kite
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that’s really interesting wth

dark ermine
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In the last IG video they put some clips of the Trench Era MVs, idk if it’s random or not

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left kite
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Nothing is random

compact arrow
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cant remember much i was lucky and got barricade and was pretty tired, sadly dont remember much from that concert LOL

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got to hold up Josh tho, mf drums heavy

dark ermine
compact arrow
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well either way we are getting new letters so a part 2 is inevitable

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L to all the doubters

lean mango
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because the letters seem to point towards nox's theory that this is all just the moments in Clancy's head as he fights Nico, and these letters now are giving him the strength to fight back and beat Nico here

bright tinsel
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Beating Nico still requires us receiving some form of media.

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Even if it’s an epilogue.

lean mango
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Yea, I believe in the epilogue

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probably a final song w/ video

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I just no longer foresee more than that as a significant possibility

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(well, the epilogue is 100% directly confirmed anyway)

dark ermine
# lean mango probably a final song w/ video

Believing in just a single song seems too forcibly negative to me, I'd rather have nothing and directly wait for the next album at this point, releasing only one song after all this teasing would be too disappointing.

lean mango
cloud lynx
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what

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it isn't the middle of the final battle

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the show is literally a flashback, and there is a post-paladin, visually

lean mango
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I'm talking about the letters, not the show itself

cloud lynx
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yes, that literally proves to me that we're shifting towards another chapter

lean mango
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How so?

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Things seem to point more and more towards nox's theory

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namely, all of this is in Clancy's head right in the moment at the end of Paladin's music video

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If he gains the strength to just beat Nico here, it doesn't make sense to go on much longer

cloud lynx
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that doesn't mean the story ends

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there could still be an epilogue album or EP

lean mango
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Yes, but if the "final boss" is defeated so to speak, anything after that is just wrapping things up

cloud lynx
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or even a plot twist

cloud lynx
lean mango
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an album doesn't make sense, I'd argue an EP doesn't either. I foresee one song at most to finish off the battle and show some of the aftermath, and maybe a bit of supplementary stuff for surrounding lore and to expand a bit on what happens to Dema afterwards

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IMO it does

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It'd be like having half a musical after the conflict is resolved, it just doesn't really make sense

cloud lynx
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i'd totally see a battle song post-Paladin Strait, maybe a mental battle
then an epilogue record

lean mango
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Yea, that's what I'm referring to

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That's what I think we'll get, just nothing after that

cloud lynx
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smth about post-Dema Trench maybe

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as u said, wrapping things up, but to me this wouldn't be incompatible with another album, even a small one

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like, man, Clancy itself barely progresses the story

lean mango
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Clancy goes all the way from him being alone on Voldsoy to the final battle

cloud lynx
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yeah, an entire album for that, only like 3 songs that actually progress the story

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(i'm not criticizing that)

lean mango
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Yea, that's fairly typical on the lore albums

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Trench only had 3 too

cloud lynx
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yeah, so, they could totally expend an epilogue concept to a full-on album or EP

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the global theme

lean mango
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It wouldn't make sense at all for the story progression to do it that way

cloud lynx
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how

lean mango
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Because ending the first album on a cliffhanger only to resolve it instantly when it picks up, and then spend just as much time going over epilogue stuff, is really unbalanced progression

cloud lynx
lean mango
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it also makes "Clancy is the final album" extremely misleading, way more so than if a double actually contained half of the story of the final conflict

cloud lynx
lean mango
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The shorter it is, the less likely TOP is to do it, for a number of reasons

cloud lynx
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there's so many things they've never did before, or that would've been unlikely to happen

lean mango
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Tyler doesn't generally like singles, albums are his favorite medium, EPs don't do nearly as well promo-wise, etc. etc.

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Yep, and there are reasons for all those things. There are no reasons or evidence for this

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Nothing that would've been unlikely to happen in this way

cloud lynx
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the band could make it a sort of Clancy deluxe expanded version

lean mango
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Just stuff they hadn't done before

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Yea, he also said he doesn't like deluxes

cloud lynx
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yet there's already a Clancy deluxe lol (the Digital Remains version, technically classified as a deluxe album)

shell kite
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bestie 😭 do you think we’re just not getting any type of music?

lean mango
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Yep, which is even more evidence that he wouldn't do another

lean mango
shell kite
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i have

lean mango
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you're like the third person to not even bother to read what I said and then misinterpret it

shell kite
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you’ve both said a single doesn’t make sense and we’re getting a single

lean mango
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in just this conversation

cloud lynx
lean mango
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No, I don't think it will be a single

shell kite
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i’ve been reading your whole convo lmao

lean mango
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I think it will be an additional song added to Clancy

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not treated as a single

lean mango
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which is that they force people to buy the album again just for a couple more songs

shell kite
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not you lmao

shadow cipherBOT
lean mango
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Jay was addressing me

shell kite
lean mango
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The Digital Remains deluxe was basically a freebie for people who paid for the Digital Remains

shell kite
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i’m just confused by your logic throughout this whole convo is all lmao

lean mango
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Not if this song is digital-only

cloud lynx
shell kite
lean mango
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There has been no inconsistency in what I've said

shell kite
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that’s a really weird thing to put behind a digital wall

cloud lynx
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😭

lean mango
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That's rich

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I mean you can believe what you want to believe but it seems you're determined to be convinced no matter what, and no evidence to the contrary could possibly sway that, so this conversation is pointless

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You're constantly misrepresenting what I'm saying and you're just making it extremely unpleasant to share my thoughts and opinions

cloud lynx
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im literally just responding to you and stating my opinion too, in which i am disagreeing and i think your logic doesn't make much sense, respectfully

lean mango
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No you're not, you're talking over me and not letting me finish any part of what I'm saying, then being rude when you disagree

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You can't make something rude respectful by adding "respectfully" to the end

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You didn't let me finish

wraith gulch
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Maybe it’ll be a single song, but the single song will be a 20+ min prog rock saga, haha. Nah, I still think double album or finale EP, but personally just on a “wait and see” status. I have faith in their ability to wrap up the story whichever way they choose to do so. So far I’m just super happy with the incorporation of lore into the tour with FPE letters and shirts and stuff.

lean mango
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Not a single time, actually, have you waited until I could make my whole point before trying to debunk it and forcing me to loop back to earlier stuff to explain while you also tried to nitpick that

lean mango
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and I was all in on it for a long time

wraith gulch
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For sure

lean mango
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I still think it makes a lot more sense than a deluxe or a single

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in terms of logistics

shell kite
wraith gulch
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It doesn’t bother me if you may have shifted what you think will happen, all good.

lean mango
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but I just don't think Tyler would pace it as Clancy builds up to the final battle, Clancy part 2 ends the final battle in a single song and then spends an entire album on the aftermath

teal compass
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3 hour long ambient lofi track finale

wraith gulch
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All we have is our own interpretations of how things will go down based on what we have seen and what’s been going on.

lean mango
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I'm also, frankly, not very happy with the ending if this really is just "Tyler reflects on everything that led him to this fight, and finds the strength to beat Nico" because I think it kind of undermines a lot of what the story set up

shell kite
wraith gulch
lean mango
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But these letters do really seem to fit nox's theory that the first half was Nico overtaking Clancy's mind and this half is his comeback where he breaks out of his influence

cloud lynx
shell kite
lean mango
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And I can't see many other realistic explanations

lean mango
wraith gulch
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I personally think if there’s a second album it’ll be some sort of increased focus on TB.

high sundial
lean mango
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the theory is that it's taking place in the moments before the final final battle (AKA, continuing directly from Paladin)

high sundial
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children's book of the lore told by ned

wraith gulch
lean mango
wraith gulch
lean mango
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but what I haven't wanted to admit is, just because I don't think it would be satisfying doesn't mean it won't happen

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I do trust Tyler with the story

cloud lynx
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we have to let them cooking

lean mango
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but I also think people are kind of right that he seems really tired and ready to move on from this universe

cloud lynx
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trust the process

lean mango
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He poured everything into Clancy

shell kite
lean mango
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When are you referring to the recapture?

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the one in Trench/SAI?

shell kite
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yeah that one

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the one at the end of levitate mv

lean mango
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I don't think it's confirmed

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's intended to be roughly the real time that passed, though

shell kite
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do wonder what TB has been doing this whole time. everything has been from the perspective of Clancy. having some more like- talk about the in-working of the banditos would be interesting to explore

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going off of Lindsey’s mention of a TB album

lean mango
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See, I feel like TB is really important to the story and there are major layers of him that are not really explored

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I've never really agreed with the idea that we'd ever get an album from his perspective, for multiple reasons

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but if we get a second album I think he will be a major focus

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I just...

teal compass
lean mango
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I mean, to be honest, with these letters, I have a really hard time seeing how this could continue longer than this battle

teal compass
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if the outside banditos are supposed to be the same characters as the natn kids then probably closer to 5-6 years, maybe a bit longer, but im still a bit torn on that

lean mango
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I think they're not

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But ofc it's up in the air

shell kite
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idk i’m just thinking

lean mango
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From the very first song being about overcompensating which is generally a bad thing (and Tyler has referred to as a bad thing in the past), to Clancy never having actually faced Nico directly before, to the bishops having the Paladin video and censoring it, to all of the typed letters marked as evidence, to all the tour imagery up until this leg

teal compass
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the torchbearer letter does make me think if they do go on after paladin it would be more focused around a metaphorical battle of ideology/reforming dema into a better place to live than a physical battle with nico, trying to cope with leading all of the people and not falling into the same pitfalls of power corrupting that the bishops did

lean mango
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Something about that bugs me and never quite sat right with me...

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"we must do better"

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That line kind of makes no sense if thinking about it from the context of the Banditos winning and Clancy leading them in some form

teal compass
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especially with all the hints in the lyrics of clancy not feeling entirely confident or in control, he might overcompensate with one quick attack on nico thinking destroying the bishops will just be a one and done everything is better situation but isnt considering the days, months, years after where all these people are now leaderless and have to figure out what life is like without this singular struggle against the bishops

lean mango
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because the Bishops were absolutely terrible, they were literally leading the citizens to vialism

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so saying "we must do better" is silly because not only do they obviously have to do better, but I feel like he'd have to actively try to not do better

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it's just an extremely low bar

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It makes me think it's referring to something else, or in a different context

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Also want to point out that the original message said "If we become them, we must do better"

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Now that I think about it

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I'll have to read it again with this in mind but I wonder if it does work under the interpretation that Clancy becomes a bishop

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"rebels that made you who you are today" kind of doesn't make sense in that interpretation because it would kind of feel like underhandedly blaming the Banditos for Clancy's loss

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but the rest kind of reads to me like TB pleading with bishop Clancy, trying to reach him

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"Do better" also makes sense under my theory that the bishops aren't inherently and unchangibly evil, but are like that because they gave in, and continue to give in, to their own depression and pessimism towards life itself

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So it could be saying that Clancy needs to overcome that and find hope again

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"We destroyed them so we didn't become them" could easily read as, that was their goal but they failed, however, "didn't" also kind of reads like it's saying they succeeded in that. But "we" could also be referring to everyone but Clancy.

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  • IDK if it makes a lot of sense with nox's theory because it's a past tense thing
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A letter implies some kind of real communication from TB even if this is in Clancy's head, at least a past one, but I can't think of any reasonable way he could say "we destroyed them" and be referring to something before Paladin

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very curious to hear thoughts, I'm sort of piecing together this interpretation as I go

dark ermine
bright tinsel
bright tinsel
# cloud lynx there could still be an epilogue album or EP

I could see the deluxe album/EP, if not a full album, being a flashback like the tour is. My mind typically sorts this into a 3-song structure, that would create a miniature cycle of its own, but it's not necessarily limited to that. That's why I'm still a Drag Path truther - a song like Drag Path would fit the current point we're at in the narrative. A song taking place in Clancy's head, reflecting on Clancy's losses. But then Clancy's will to fight back would build up, the next track becoming more intense. This one would be reminiscient of the first half of Paladin - getting into gear, and remembering why we fight before we do. And then the final song would be like a good ending version of Leave The City. Climactic buildup of defeating Nico, but ending off with a ballad reflecting on the journey and the main lessons to be taken away from it.

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That's the extent of what I can imagine given all the clues we have. Anything less would feel too abrupt, anything more would be stellar.

lean mango
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But on rereading the letter stuff I'm not convinced it's that straightforward anymore

bright tinsel
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It's very complicated and confusing.

lean mango
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still would like to hear thoughts on my theory

cloud lynx
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GUYS

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what if

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WHAT IF

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what if, they ACTUALLY do incorporate the Blurryface anniversary into the story

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cuz like

left kite
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I've been saying this since the Clancy leak!!!

cloud lynx
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kinda seems like it's going that way

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more and more

wraith gulch
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence, I think it makes perfect sense

cloud lynx
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little hints

cloud lynx
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they're definitely doing that

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i love them

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omg

rancid delta
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literally coming full circle

cloud lynx
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YESSSS

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WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT

rancid delta
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blurryface was the start after all

lean mango
native orchid
magic forge
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I'm starting to think

lean mango
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Yea, but my point is, that's a low bar, almost anything is better than the bishops

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Seems weird that he'd even say it if it's something that is theoretically basically a given

dark ermine
teal compass
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i think its probably along the lines of not falling into the same traps as the bishops/letting the power of the position corrupt them in the same way - it would be hard to be as bad as the bishops but if they go into that role without being mindful of it they could end up doing similar bad things without even realizing it. im sure the bishops probably feel what theyre doing is justified for whatever reason and clancy and torchbearer need to be sure they dont let their perception get clouded in the same way and do bad things for what they think are good reasons

rancid delta
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dont you do do do do doubt the double album

lean mango
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I feel like "becoming them" has stronger implications than just simply replacing them as Dema's leadership

magic forge
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I've finished thinking

sly hazel
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I think the power to seize can quite literally corrupt you and make you go a bit mad with power
There was reference to that in one of the letters so I think with Clancy being the only "good" person with that power, they want to do better without letting Clancy fall into the dark side so-to-speak

timber pasture
dark ermine
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Guys…the Demo version Doubt begin with the second verse of the original song.
The first word is basically “Reisdro”.

tame tendon
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Yeah

modern atlas
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I don’t think the Doubt Demo has any lore implementations at all (it was trending, they have no control of that) but what is interesting is how quickly they released it. Quick Turnarounds are something that could define the next series of music

modern atlas
dark ermine
wheat gorge
graceful hill
high sundial
candid flume
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let me state this theory here

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bc i feel like its huge but noone in theories is paying attention

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ok guys, lets think about this tøp only EVER (with a few exceptions as i was corrected)do official videos when they are planning on connecting it lore wise somehow. i just want to point out: the flashback to blurryface, along with the almost 10 year hiatus of blurryface as a theme returning to twenty one pilots has lead me to a very big conclusion.

since tyler and clancy as a character are intertwined lore wise, i think tyler/clancy thought this was the last album before he started the seige of dema. but as clancy met nico at the tower, he went back into his blurryface influenced state he was in earlier. And in his most recent video, he was wearing his rebel red beanie, which kind of seems like protection or a sign.

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Torchbearer has recently wrote a new letter telling clancy he shouldnt have fell under the influence of nico, or something close to that extent.

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which more solidly points to a torchbearer focused album

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is this making sense

wraith gulch
# candid flume is this making sense

It does—as Clancy is under Nico’s trance, maybe the first bit of the second album shifts focus to our other main character, explores his mysterious past and actions (where did TB come from—was he born in trench? In Dema? Does he have a violation code? How did he wind up leader of the banditos, what was his relationship with keons, etc?) adds more depth to the story, then the second half of the album/EP/whatever returns but now with complete focus on both of them for the true finale.

candid flume
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thank GOD i was scared i was crazy

wraith gulch
lean mango
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I'm saying I think there's more to it and the meaning may not be the obvious one

wraith gulch
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I agree

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That’s what I mean, it was too underwhelming to be a surface, obvious message. I mean sure it’s possible that’s all it was, but it always seemed wrong to me. I agree there is more to it, but I think we may not have yet been dropped the adequate breadcrumbs to reason that out yet, and that’s probably on purpose.

cloud lynx
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I knew it :3
There's gonna be a plot twist in the story

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Some people have talked about a backslide

wraith gulch
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Yep, it’s been so prominent in the live show for lore stuff it seems clear they are drawing attention to it for a reason.

olive plume
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i’m still hoping for at least a trial of some kind. i think that would be so cool to show visually and i bet they would have a lot of fun with it

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it’s just hard for me to see us pick up where we left off and it’s like. clancy touches nico and then nico flakes away and dissolves into dust

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and that’s it

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like, even if that Is how nico goes—there’s still the matter of the city and the citizens. unless they don’t want to explore that and make us use our own imaginations to decide what was done to it

wraith gulch
lean mango
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I personally think that would be better left to the imagination, but maybe they have interesting ideas for that

olive plume
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clancy on the stand and nico is the judge and the trial is obviously rigged and clancy isn’t allowed to call for witnesses and even if it’s just an empty room with nico and clancy and no jury to speak of, that would be so interesting

compact arrow
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Y’all also gotta remember that the band is a business. It’s only more dabloons + tour for the next album

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Plus they are doing all this teasing and lore and build up for one song?

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I don’t think so personally

lean mango
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if I'm right, I think it looks really good for a potential double album or non-conventional follow-up to Clancy in some form

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Also wanna point out that while there doesn't seem to be any kind of rollout yet for something following Clancy, the news of the new label was dropped at a very convenient time in what would otherwise be a rollout for something soon after tour

dark ermine
brazen leaf
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THIS THEORY HAS NEVER DIED

modern atlas
timber pasture
dark ermine
compact arrow
olive plume
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this is a rumor right now but apparently my chemical romance is releasing a deluxe edition of an album that originally came out in 2004 so anything is possible heeheegiggle

alpine lake
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Id die for a double album

rancid delta
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It's true

tame trout
rancid delta
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And just yesterday, Green Day announced a deluxe version for Saviors, which came out in January of last year. If they can, why can't TOP

tame trout
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these bands are running me into destitution

rancid delta
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LP a few weeks ago as well

lean mango
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It's pretty common to put out a deluxe anniversary version of an album, TOP def can

dark ermine
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Most hated pic by me in 2024/2025:

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tidal timber
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real and true

cloud lynx
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if this is actually the tracklist of whatever's next-

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💀

rancid delta
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Would be so funny

astral trout
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i rarely look in here (shocker i know) but in response to an earlier conversation in here from a few days ago: a "deluxe" doesnt necessarily mean itll just be the one lore song (or however many they do to wrap the story up) and nothing else, they could also do a bit more with it like they did with digital remains and give people more of an incentive to buy it, either by adding new songs to it (like the line or something new entirely), or live versions of songs (yes i know clancy live is coming but im making a point). i know tyler has apparently said he doesnt like deluxes generally but it is possible and honestly makes the most sense to do given all the information we have.
also my theory doesnt mean that he'd find the strength to immediately beat nico, but rather that he'd find the strength to break free from the smear, which would directly contrast what we saw in jumpsuit when clancy was smeared for the first time on screen, im sure the final final battle would be a lot less simple than just that, but i digress.

olive plume
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i’ve considered they would throw in the line or at the very least the single version of the craving

astral trout
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yeah honestly that was something like what i was thinking

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they put level of concern on sai livestream version /shrug

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its also an important note that we're only about like

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1/3 of the way through the current album cycle and usually they put out a few music videos while theyre on tour

olive plume
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yeah, it’s so weird to think clancy isn’t even one year old yet (next month but still)

astral trout
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either way though i dont think theyll make us wait too long for the continuation of paladin strait (6/25 truthers wya) and hopefully by then we kinda have a more concrete idea of whatevers going on from there

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still a double album hater for sure but this era is weird in so many different ways so like who knows anymore

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The most confusing thing to me is that the new letters really feel like they're written from the perspective of after the battle

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After a victory

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The idea that they're in the past doesn't seem to add up for me now for multiple reasons

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One being Occam's Razor, the fact that they all make sense from a post-victory perspective and need some kind of less straightforward reasoning to make sense as past events

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Another being, I feel like they wouldn't talk about being free of Dema if there was a chance of being recaptured, since Banditos are all used to the cycle of escape and recapture

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So then my question is, what are the implications of this?

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We were told the show is a flashback, and until this leg the FPE seemingly has been too

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i think the only one thats really after what we've seen in a way is torchbearer's letter, which seems to be special because its the only whole letter we've seen in this leg and the only one that doesnt have a number on it. every other letter can reasonably be before the letter without having to do mental gymnastics for them to fit imo. for these new letters to be after what we've already seen seems like an odd jump, especially because we were left with a cliffhanger in paladin strait that can only really reasonably be resolved with a direct continuation.

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We got paladin then past letters so we could get letters now and past whatever next

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Ye, what I foresee is these letters painting a picture of what it's like after the bishops are defeated, without really showing anything about what happens

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But I don't really see how today's letter could be in the past

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Being able to look back on Dema and yet having no fear of recapture seems to contract everything we know of the cycle

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it doesn't imply that theres no fear, but rather trying to get gwen to take their escape as a victory and see that because of the hardship they endured in dema, they came out better people

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and even if it did, its realistic that not everyone would be super fearful of being forced back to dema.

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For me it's not the lack of fear, it's the fact that they say they're free

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It feels like Banditos don't usually consider themselves free while Dema is still a threat because they aren't truly free just because they're not in the city proper

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freedom only comes when the thing that controls them is no longer there

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they have to either live under the Bishops' rule, or live fleeing and hiding from them, which doesn't leave them free to live as they want

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its hard to tell at this moment what time its from but even given what youre saying, its not a huge stretch to think these are from before the final battle. ig what you and dayco said does make sense and that these could be visions from a future not yet realised at least to us but something about that feels strange at the moment. i hope we get some kind of indication soon though.

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Yea, I bet the next letters will point more one way or the other as the tour goes on

arctic karma
# astral trout 1/3 of the way through the current album cycle and usually they put out a few mu...

Tbh I think we’re way closer to the end of the Clancy album cycle. Yes TOP is known for doing 2-3 year album cycles but everything with Clancy has been different compared to past eras. I personally don’t think that the new songs to close out the era will be on a Clancy deluxe, I think it’ll be a new project with its own title, either an EP or album depending on its length. But imo it would be disappointing for them to release new music under the “Clancy” umbrella over a year after the original album dropped

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Also with the news of Tyler creating his own record label and how quickly they managed to release the Doubt demo atp literally anything is possible

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My best guess rn is that once this leg of Clancy Tour is over, TOP will announce their departure from FBR and go fully independent. At which point they’ll either announce Clancy Tour leg 2 or start teasing the next (and hopefully final) chapter of the lore

astral trout
# arctic karma Tbh I think we’re way closer to the end of the Clancy album cycle. Yes TOP is kn...

i disagree. a new album would go against what they've said since the era started about clancy being the project to close out the storyline. also, as for an EP, i dont think thats really too realistic for reasons mentioned in the conversation i mentioned, as well as the fact that tøp just doesnt really do EPs, and of course the reason i mentioned above.

of course, them going independent would open the door for a bit more, but realistically we arent very far from the end of the story with the apparent confirmation of it just being nico vs clancy now with tb's letter, and not much of whats left WILL be music most likely.

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also, while this era feels very different in terms of rollout, thats mainly because they released the 14 videos with the album. they seem to be going the route of releasing new music in place of the music videos we wouldve gotten, and there does seem to be quite a bit more than what we're used to coming with clancy live and whatevers happening with BF10, but i dont think we're anywhere close to the end of the era. also, i remember hearing at some point through an interview or something that they have plans extending beyond 2026, which would be closer to the end of a typical era

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I definitely see your points here, you have good evidence to back yourself up. As far as them saying Clancy was gonna be the end, yes they did say this a bunch pre-release. I don’t think Tyler himself knew how he wanted to end the lore when Clancy was released and he might still be figuring it out (he mentioned in the Q101 vid that he was still carving out the ending)

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I really look forward to when they actually drop smt substantial and we can know who was right and who was just going totally crazy😂

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But for me I think anything is possible with what’s next. Everything for Clancy has been extremely rushed and they’ve backpedaled a lot of things they said pre-Clancy release. And especially with the boys moving over to an independent label, there will be no more roadblocks for them creatively which will definitely impact their music moving forward in a positive way. I still can’t believe FBR tried so hard to prevent them from releasing Neon Gravestones

astral trout
# arctic karma I definitely see your points here, you have good evidence to back yourself up. A...

the thing is at least with that point, that sentiment has continued past the release of the album (though not so much through interviews, but rather other mediums, such as their Spotify bio which was updated around the time of the albums release. also, theyve spoken about the ending since before the album came out as if it were already figured out, though id have to rewatch q101 to see what tylers exact wording was about it to be sure.

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Definitely rewatch the Q101 interview bc Tyler made it very clear that he was still figuring out the ending

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I mean they’re not leaving FBR for no reason

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FBR fought with Tyler for months over Neon Gravestones, and they also tried to change Next Semester which was mentioned in the Clancy livestream

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I’m not saying FBR is a bad label I know nothing about their practices or how they run their company, but after following this band for 10 years I’ve gotten familiar with how Tyler and Josh work in a creative setting. Also not to mention the boys were praising FBR when they first got signed and for a few years after if I remember correctly

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tyler said he was still trying to work out how to show the ending visually. i’m sure he meant music videos and also these FPE letters and the outfits he’s been wearing being part of it. i hesitate to believe that his comment meant he doesn’t know the ending at all

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Okay now you’ve got me second-guessing myself lemme go rewatch the interview😂

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im watching that part rn

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yeah he says hes had the ideas, concept, and story written for a long time but was figuring out how to visually make it make sense

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he knew how the story was going to end going into this era

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ahhh okok my bad then

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i mean idk even with that it doesnt necessarily prove anything aside from the fact that they have it figured out but it just feels strange for this last bit of the storyline to be stretched out visually more than a couple mvs at most

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a deluxe would make sense and then i could also see an "i am clancy" type video dropping to close things out but not much more in terms of the storyline specifically, though im sure we'll also get at least one more single outside of that and then of course clancy live and BF10

astral trout
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i’ve had this idea in my head but it’s a little out there and idek if it’s plausible BUT screw it

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what if they close out the lore with a short film and releases the soundtrack as the “final chapter”

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They’ve done many film-esque projects in the past. The Trench MV trinity (Jumpsuit, NATN, Levitate), the SAI livestream and I personally include the Paladin Strait MV (it looks like a scene from a movie and it was shot on a sound stage)

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id kill for a short film

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It’s definitely a reach and I have no clue how it would work if they did decide to do it but it would be so damn cool

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And like they could have it where the soundtrack for the short film are all instrumentals and then Tyler adds lyrics to them and releases the soundtrack as an album of sorts

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Imagine we get another hunt on dmaorg and the final violation code is a link to an unlisted Youtube video and it’s a short film

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Also I just realized smt. The only 2 tours that we’ve gotten full live versions of are the Blurryface and Clancy tours. Yet another thing tying these two eras together

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id argue that the livestream version of sai also counts as a "live version" even tho technically its not from a concert, but it was that eras equivalent because of covid

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but i digress

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whatevers next surely wont be too far away tbh

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we're close to the end of the first leg of tour and things seem to be building up

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Definitely could count as well but kinda? Also the SAI livestream wasn’t released on vinyl and is available for streaming. BF live was exclusively released on vinyl and I’m expecting the same for Clancy live

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And ofc the fpe

wheat gorge
# arctic karma what if they close out the lore with a short film and releases the soundtrack as...

honestly I'd love something like this! and I've thought about it before! I think it would be so cool if they edited the lore music videos into it to, and then filmed sequences between to show some of those unseen moments

(for example, they could show Clancy's return after Levitate, him being imprisoned, a slow montage of his years spent there, then show him in the Blue Door Room, The Bishops proposing SAI, Clancy writing it. etc etc etc.)

the sound track could then include both the lore songs, and also intermediate tracks, such as Ned's Theme from the Cozy Fireplace and/or the music that plays before Navigating (which I like to call "The Torchbearer's Theme") They could make a bunch of ambiance and sonic tracks, and if there is new music to wrap up the story, even if it was just another trilogy of lore songs, they could slot those in as brand new tracks, release them to streaming as a separate EP

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Hold on what’s Ned’s theme?

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I’ve listened to all of Ned’s Cozy Fireplace and never noticed that

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it's the one at the end of the loop in Cozy Fireplace, it plays again in the I Am Clancy video - one of the composers for NCF referred to it as "Ned's Theme"

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Also I absolutely love that theory!! They do love creating very moody ambient tracks as we’ve seen with the stems for Clancy Tour

arctic karma
teal compass
# arctic karma I mean they’re not leaving FBR for no reason

I think it’s worth pointing out we don’t actually have any indication yet if they intend to leave fbr or not, plenty of artists start their own labels to support smaller musicians and stay signed to a larger label themselves and plenty of artists do that kind of thing to go independent and without any word from the band we can’t tell either way

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That is a very good point

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Tyler is kinda known for helping others behind the scenes so that is definitely a very real possibility

teal compass
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One detail I think is notable is that even with signing balu they have a joint artist venture with Atlantic so it doesn’t seem like they’re in too much of a rush to break off ties with their wmg overlords but it’s still super hard to say

arctic karma
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Yeah honestly stuff like this is almost impossible to figure out from the outside

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Although I wouldn’t be too surprised if the boys let go of FBR and went independent. These days record labels don’t play the same role that they did 10 years ago. If need be Tyler and Josh could go independent and keep doing everything they’re doing now with zero issues since they’re already super established in the industry

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And tbh they’d probably make a lot more money too

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And artists having issues with their labels is not a foreign concept in the music scene

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On another note, TOP has been moving in a more cinematic/visual direction this era. We’ve gotten a music video for EVERY single song released since Overcompensate (including alternate versions of songs and demos. WDYM WE GOT A MUSIC VIDEO FOR A 10 YEAR-OLD DEMO!!!) plus Tyler announced in Mexico that they were filming the show and planned on SHOWING it to their fans, whether that’s online or in theatres we will find out

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We also got 2 music videos for RITN (release and concert versions) I think no matter what they do with the end of the story it will have a major visual component

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seems pretty likely that it's a subsidiary of Atlantic, however, that doesn't necessarily mean Atlantic has any significant say in label happenings if so

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Morse code for n which is part of the keyboard smash 👀

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Unpopular Opinion: I'm tired of letters. Almost a whole year of letters, t-shirts, clues and Tweets from Blurryface that lead to nothing. Only FURTHER worldbuilding of a story should have ended almost a year ago and that fails to give us new content from a musical point of view. This era is uselessly going forward with clues and theories everywhere without there being a well-defined final point of arrival. I've never seen the boys manage the lore in such a confused and bloated way for no apparent reason. We have reached a point where, for me, a whole other album must be locked in and MUST be part of this era.

weak thorn
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Hold on.

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top could go on a similar direction

olive plume
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ghost mention 🗣️🗣️🗣️

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i also thought about rite here rite now for this

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and wondered if they could be doing that for the clancy show they filmed

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we haven’t really seen the boys do stuff like that before so this would be an interesting thing to pivot to if they do decide to do that

astral trout
# dark ermine Unpopular Opinion: I'm tired of letters. Almost a whole year of letters, t-shirt...

yeah that is an unpopular opinion. theyve been on tour for a while now with the exception of the breaks they took between each leg. lore has always taken a while to be given to us, so the fact we're getting new lore at all rn is cool. also lore music videos take a LONG time to make, as well, especially on tour. thats not even mentioning the fact that where we're at in the lore right now is interesting, and that given what we saw wayyyy back in jumpsuit, we're probably going to require an explanation for whats next. these things have a purpose, and like every other piece of lore, we will find out what they are eventually. and as for the stuff about new music, clancy the album hasnt even been out a whole year yet. we got SO much lore at the beginning of this era. 14 whole music videos, 3 of those being lore music videos. there will be more, you just have to be patient. these things take time, and again, this spot in the lore requires some kind of explanation and delicate handling to make things make sense. this take reeks of entitlement.

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we used to get clancy letters drip fed to us over the years. we’re in such a pleasant boom right now

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could say they’re currently… overcompensating void

astral trout
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like we are getting SO much

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even if its not like

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clear cut yet

dark ermine
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it’s not really a theory when the band themselves gave it to us. it’s just a waiting game to see what that ultimate chapter 25 could be

dark ermine
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Idk, I think it would have been better.

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astral trout
# dark ermine For me the problem is that the letters are just more worlbuilding and not really...

yes and no, they're more worldbuilding of course but we're also getting something important with that, and the involvement of blurryface and torchbearer seems to indicate a major significance beyond just getting letters from rebels and banditos. the shirts are a different story, where we have no indication of their significance, but im sure we'll figure it out soon enough. and yeah i was saying there is more coming, just that we got a TON of stuff and the album hasnt even been out a year. also, ultimus is "final" not "ultimate", those imply 2 different things.

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also, take it from someone who has had this happen, but having a mindset of "things MUST be like this" is going to ruin your enjoyment of things and is setting you up for heavy disappointment if it doesnt happen that way. just take things as they go and have your idea of where you want it to, but you shouldnt really place so much rigid emphasis on the idea.

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that type of thinking legit ruined theorising for me in early clancy era even though i ended up being right about the theories that were like that, but thats just me

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based on other eras it would either be this drawn out worldbuilding or absolutely nothing for months/years at a time, I am preferring the Clancy tour letters to the alternative of them dropping Clancy and then making us wait in silence until after the tour to drop uc25

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Although I do get the general disappointment of all the music videos being done before the era really gets going

astral trout
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Same thing happened with trench though the lore visually was done on release and we just got unconnected music videos after, trench lore as a whole was also entirely worldbuilding just setting up the setting to the point it’s also a cycle and it’s unclear when things take place or if it’s even in the direct order we see it, the first time anything really “happened” to significantly propel the story forward was Clancy going into captivity and even that set up a new status quo for them to tread water with for a year. The story overall has been pretty sparse and things only really got moving with the outside, vague worldbuilding is part of what’s made it so intriguing shrugs

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Sometimes people will make labels and work with existing established labels just for a foundation and to use their promo network/etc. so they don't have to do absolutely everything from scratch, that's what I mean here, I wonder if that's what ARRO is doing with Atlantic

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Namely, I think teasing Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25 at the very first FPE before Paladin's video was out was a mistake

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I think it should have come both after Paladin's vid and the implication of a cliffhanger, and after June 25th, 2024, maybe even at the first FPE of the tour

olive plume
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yeah, 6/25/24 wasn’t a fun day in this server void

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Because that period of waiting before the tour and the complete silence after a major teaser like that led to so many people itching for anything, and the disappointment of 6/25, and anything else that people thought could be something (like when Vessel had 2 songs added randomly and then removed)

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So then to have to wait a year after that for answers, a lot of people are probably antsy and impatient to just finally know rather than fully in tune with what he's doing, especially when the letters only rarely tell us anything substantial

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That kind of makes the Europe FPE letters come off as a desperate attempt to hold our attention while they continue preparing for what’s really coming next

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Honestly I think the 6/25 disappointment is kinda on us as fans, they probably weren’t expecting us to start adding the decorations into the code and intended ultimus capitulus 25 to serve as an “okay guys nothing major is happening until 2025, it’s gonna be a while” to avoid disappointment and false hype being built up. But of course we are clikkies and built up false hype around even their attempt to avoid it

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in hindsight, it makes sense

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especially when they didn’t include the decorations in the digital remains photo, just the phrase and the 25

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so it makes sense that it was 2025 all along

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but i also thought it made sense that it Wouldn’t be 2025 back then so grief

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tbh, it would have been strange to drop the next big thing right after the album drop

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like not put some time between

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I personally do think the 6 was intended to go with it and it's referring to June 2025

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but I don't think it's on us, June 25th was soon and we had info that Paladin was coming in early June and seemed like a cliffhanger, so things really seemed to add up for June 25th

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I think they just weren't thinking about that implication at the time

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teal compass
# lean mango I still don't think it makes much sense for it to be 2025, something that vague ...

when you consider the message as a whole i think its not really that general, the main reveal is that the story isnt over and will be continued in the future which is a pretty massive and crucial piece of info we didnt have at the time that we couldnt figure out on our own and was the only solid proof we had for months that there would be more to the story beyond tylers vague "does this sound like the end" comment which could have meant a ton of different things and had the fandom split on if more would be coming. The 2025 date is essentially secondary information to the main reveal of a final chapter occurring at all

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im sure they do expect us to read extensively into every detail but it can be really hard to predict what specifically the fans will latch onto, the 3/21 speculation is a good example. The same kinda thing happens in other theory based fandoms like fnaf for example, the creator can set out a trail of breadcrumbs because they know the fans obsess over small details just for fans to go down a completely unexpected trail they never intended in the first place

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i mean coincidences aside (the fact june 2025 falls in a good spot tourwise for example) there was and still is reason to believe 6/25 but ik what youre saying

teal compass
# astral trout its not really fully on us though, there were instances of them using 6 with 25

this is another instance where id bring up all the 3/21 stuff people were finding, when we specifically look for one combo of numbers it will pop up in everything they do because it catches our eye and we ignore the dozens of other instances where they used other numbers or stuff didnt add up to what we were specifically looking for, this kind of thing has happened over and over for years in the fanbase and almost always amounts to absolutely nothing because humans are great at finding patterns when they look for them and throwing out other info without realizing we even are

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yeah i mean i guess but 3/21 was a bit different

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I think 6/25 is more solid than the 3/21 stuff was, there was basically statistical proof that it had to mean something and I'm still holding onto the likelihood that it does, just June 2025 instead of June 25th

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i do think it would have seemed much more clear if they stuck the original release schedule and didnt pull all the weird delays which is definitely something im not exactly thrilled about with how it all went down either 😭

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that did introduce a pretty large amount of confusion into the whole thing

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# astral trout yeah i mean i guess but 3/21 was a bit different

the 25 part was obviously very intentional and known to be substantial information, and at first the 6 antlers around it werent obviously part of it, but then there was a reference to 6/25 directly. 3/21 from what i remember was mainly based on hand gestures that ignored the context (?) of them and a few other clues that required a lot of stretching and jumping between different mediums to reach

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but i again do see what youre saying here

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My issue is, Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25 is just too vague if it's only intended to confirm what they had already hinted at in multiple ways, because it's not clear enough to actually function as definitive confirmation

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I do think that probably was the intent but I think it could've been executed a lot better

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i think it was mainly meant to confirm that there was more beyond the vague hints theyd given us but also the 25, if it's not referring to a time when said final chapter would come, is confusing without the 6

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Yea, I can't think of anything it would be likely to be if it's not just referring to 2025

astral trout
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ik theres the theory about it referring to a track amount but that seems like a very random place to put that hint

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yep, that's my thinking

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one could argue it's tied to the Ultimus Capitulus, and if that's referring to a second album then it kinda makes sense? But it makes less sense in full context and in hindsight I think

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because revealing a specific number of tracks a year in advance when that info wouldn't be relevant at all doesn't really add up to me

astral trout
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yeahh for sure

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i have also never really gotten the 25 tracks idea, that would feel like such a random piece of info to include in a teaser

astral trout
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i think part of that theory kinda hinges on the adihgrtnsnd thing too but thats not really confirmed to be of significance at all and if it is significant, it's very vague and again, weirdly placed if its referring to a tracklist (it was posted before we officially had the clancy tracklist, and one would think if it were a hint to a tracklist, theyd have either only used the clancy track titles or added those to the list like onbmrvclnsoapadihgrtnsnd but they didnt)

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I'll say, I used to be a pretty big believer in 25 tracks but I never really saw the keymash tweet being tied to that as likely

teal compass
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for me the bigger things were the FPE dots (matching the 13 punctuation marks, commas I think? that we got alongside the Clancy track number announcement)

astral trout
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the casual audience needed something to latch onto and uc25 gave them that despite being kinda redundant for people like us paying super close attention

astral trout
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yeah

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i love how much the keysmash has continued to fuck with the fanbase 😭

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The other big thing for me was the fact that Drag Path doesn't seem to be a finale or line up with any part of this era's story, and yet was left in the Digital Remains and has the on-the-nose lyrics about "evidence i left there on purpose"

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thats always been such a weird aspect of the digital remains content, the hints at a story it has seem like theyd be going in a completely different direction than what we actually got which seems contrary to tyler saying hes had the ending/overall structure planned out for a while (ik we cant trust tyler but thats one aspect hes been pretty consistent on since trench era) Even if we do get a double album its hard for me to see where those lyrics would play in

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hm i should take another look at that

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huh

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now why are these file sizes THAT much different

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the second one is the original one that i extracted directly from the pdf

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this is weird

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ignore this, couldnt find anything

dark ermine
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tame tendon
astral trout
# dark ermine Again, I know about 25 but there were any concrete evidences on the 6/25 specifi...

there were 6 antlers around the clancy ultimus capitulus display, josh posted a screenshot with 6.25 on it to his story at one point, tyler liked a post about 6/25 (this wasnt as concrete because it was a post by keons about the april fools thing last year but), also 6/25 (june) happens to fall in a convenient timeframe tourwise, theres also simone related stuff but no one really knows how significant that really is (also people have taken anything involving simone to be a sign of something but nothing has panned out there), then some circumstantial stuff about the number of letters in tweets tyler and josh posted

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not much solid stuff other than the antlers and the potential acknowledgement by josh

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they set it up with the 4 specific numbers in Josh's insta story (47:14 and 6:25)

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and then followed it up with tweets with exactly those number of words and letters

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the chances of which are less likely than 1 in a billion or so if unintentional

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from what i know:

  1. tyler tweeted "i’m a dashes in the street in a room full of pardon my delays" containing 14 words and 47 letters (47:14 lines up with 6:25 in paladin strait) to which josh replied "it’s tough to find good company" containing 6 words and 25 letters (6.25)

  2. 6 antlers around the clancy ultimus capitulus display

  3. josh's instagram story stated that he ran a 10k and the distance ran was 6.25mi. he was also listening to clancy for 47 minutes and 14 seconds

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and the 47:14 part is part of why, without that the chances would be much higher

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pretty sure there were also multiple tweets or other social posts at 6:25, tho I don't remember for sure

dark ermine
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btw the tour ends the May 14th

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for information

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May, just a month away from June

vapid carbon
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may just be mandela though ig

lean mango
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It definitely happened, but I just don't know where to find any documentation about it now lol

dark ermine
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There you go

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also this

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Tweaking

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I love it

lean mango
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maybe 2 things

rancid gust
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there were a few other 47:14 and 6:25 things

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we're getting pretty close to june 2025 tho so we'll finally know if thats right or not

quaint steppe
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Guys does this code on the new vlog mean anything?

tame tendon
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What code

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Oh that?

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Probably the most iconic TOP code ever

quaint steppe
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Oh my bad that’s the East is up one, cool shirt tho

tame tendon
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Yeah

quaint steppe
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Not me thinking it was a new clue 😭

tribal raptor
# quaint steppe

Oh, it looks like it's at the midpoint of the video though? That's cool. I liked this one and how they featured Jenna to show she's still so supportive / part of the team, just the same as when she was a Bandito at camp during Levitate.

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I didn't used to like how much they put the kids in everything but I get it now.

lean mango
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Someone theorized that Seldom Surface is a new song title if the double album is real

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also fits the keymash for believers in that

tame tendon
lean mango
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it was on reddit

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It really does sound like a song title to me

tame tendon
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Yeah

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Thinking it could definitely fit the S spot in adihgrtnsnd

crisp palm
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a genius in shirt nation today wrote these words

high sundial
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22 shows, but tb's letter was found in full

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there's probably 10 letters cut in half and another full one

tame tendon
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Therefore another full letter on possibly the last night

crisp palm
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a letter hopefully from Clancy

tame tendon
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That’s what I think too but what if they do smth insane like a letter from Keons or smth

olive plume
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letter from clancy is just a QR code to the new album

crisp palm
left kite
left kite
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a - ?
d - Drag Path
i - I'm not Home
h - ?
g - Graffiti
r- Raw Fear
t- Triumph
n- (letter #001 Morse code)
s- Seldom Surface
n- (new letter 4/17 Morse code)
d-?

patent coral
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If tracklist theory turns out to be true it will be so satisfying to have been a believer since before Clancy dropped

brazen leaf
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ALL OG DOUBLE ALBUM BELIEVERS RISE UP

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WE BELIEVED WHEN NO ONE DID

stray kettle
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I’ve been a day 1 double album truther, but even then I had doubts but at this point it makes so much sense I would be shocked if it didn’t happen

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If it doesn’t happen we’re getting something else that’s cool just unexpected

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But music makes the most sense given this is a band

cloud lynx
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idk if all of this is true, but i like the way it's going rn lol

cloud lynx
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if the next letter (literal alphabet letter) is also in adihgrtnsnd im gonna scream internally

wide jolt
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The letter today looked almost like the last third of one so the only issue is I don't think there are enough shows at this rate to complete the setlist

tame tendon
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Well there could possibly be a Clancy response to Torchbearer on the last night

lean mango
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One issue, too, is that these morse code letters are ordered, with an N first

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I still think it's possible for the shirt thing to be a title tho

tame tendon
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Wait wasn’t it you who theorized that the message could be Nico has won

lean mango
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Yes

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Possible in theory...

tame tendon
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And the contents of the letter also supports it I think

olive plume
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could still be “nico is gone” heeheegiggle

lean mango
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It could, yea

bright tinsel
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A comment on the tracklist debate in verified: If that string of letters isn’t a tracklist, what else could it be?

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I’m open to other possibilities but haven’t come up with any.

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The lack of vowels makes it basically impossible for it to be any sort of anagram.

wheat gorge
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I mean... I do think it's likely it really is nothing, and Tyler was messing with us. par for the course, we took it and ran with it and Tyler is still laughing

bright tinsel
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I think he would’ve left the tweet up if it meant nothing.

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Or, more likely, wouldn’t have added his response saying “this is nothing”.

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Him bashing the keyboard on its own would’ve been enough to make us go crazy.

high sundial
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konami code but instead of up up in the beggining is north north 🤪

left kite
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Also the way he said that it's nothing was very clearly sarcastic

wheat gorge
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it's very sarcastic, and that's what makes me think it's something. but at the same time, I would not be surprised if it never comes up again and it was just a joke

teal compass
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Yeah that’s pretty much where I’m at, definitely a sarcastic statement but it feels like he might just be goofing around with the fanbase’s desire to dive into everything super deeply- kinda like the “goner idiot” thing after everyone freaked out about the messed up BF vinyl tracklist that seems to have gone nowhere in over a year now. He knows how crazy we are and likes to poke the bear sometimes lol

wheat gorge
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yeah, and i don't blame him. like, if it meant nothing, he made the tweet knowing "they go crazy over this" and well over a year later we are still talking about it

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we're doing exactly what he wanted, either way

bright tinsel
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It still feels a bit too far-fetched and niche to me. It doesn’t have to mean anything, and if it doesn’t, that doesn’t affect the possibility of a double album.

wheat gorge
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oohhhh wouldn't sorry i misread

lean mango
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He may have literally like butt tweeted or something and then deleted it because it was unintentional

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And then said the thing after to be funny

graceful hill
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i am intrigued to see whats gonna happen

cloud lynx
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I'm excited

karmic flicker
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Hi all! First time posting here but my heads been swirling with the double album theory again today bc of Seldom Surface and the ADIHG... tweet that def easi nothing. Hear me out for fun- building on the theory that Nico is the one who returned to the banditos, what if Clancy is jailed in the tower being forced to entertain/lie/perform again but rather than propaganda, this one rallies the banditos and citizens somehow? It's silly but either way I'm back of the double album theory wagon today for the first time in a while!!!

graceful hill
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does anyone have a photo of the keysmash tweet?

wraith gulch
graceful hill
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thx

dark ermine
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so happy it happened at the show in my country 😭

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We’re close to May…

tawdry whale
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karmic flicker
karmic flicker
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It may have been already mentioned but perhaps the Clancy Ultimate Chapter 25 will be released by Tyler's record label? I don't know the specifics of their contract with FBR of course but if he's not on the hook for one more album with them apparently he can release whatever he'd like if this label in which he signed Balu Brigada.

tribal raptor
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The follow “bots anonymous” was more of a diss at the people that use bots on social media to gain attention and a a following and are therefore fake and stuff

tribal raptor
# distant beacon The follow “bots anonymous” was more of a diss at the people that use bots on so...

Sure, that's what a Follow Bot is, but I like to try tie the lines together into one image, rather than just separate throwaway lines. It definitely implies being fake and corporate, for sure. If I read it all together, I get the impression that FBR is enforcing a few NDA's around the guys, that they would rather not have, in particular to keeping the mood more androgynous (they do wear women's clothes on stage a fair bit) and saying "whatever that I want", but their proctologist (FBR) is screwing them over.

Just my interpretation / speculation. Tyler is very sneaky with words so I try to think like him when interpreting.

stray kettle
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Perhaps more Morse code today. Should also give us a good idea if adihgrtnsnd is what we think it is

vapid carbon
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has anyone tried the adihg thing in caesar cipher? forward and backwards?

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i can run through that tonight

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nevermind

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just ran through it and i don't see anything obvious

ocean anvil
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maybe test it with some common keywords for Vigenère?

lean mango
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today feels like a kind of critical day in the "seldom surface" as a track title theory

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If the intent is to roll out a full tracklist in numbers like that, next one has to be soon

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otherwise, who knows

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watch as it's just a one time thing like the bishop censorship interruption

ocean anvil
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yh

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for sure

olive plume
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“seldom surface” was a clue that clues for new music will seldom surface

lean mango
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LMAO

dark ermine
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I wonder if all the word written in capital letters in the letters are track names…

cloud lynx
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oh

cloud lynx
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for sure they don't match the keysmash from Tyler

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but maybe some words might be lyrics or track names from songs that aren't out yet?

gritty trail
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I didn’t realise people were still finding stuff for this theory I really hope it’s true

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The never stating Clancy was a full length album has been throwing me since it dropped lmao

dark ermine
gritty trail
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But isn’t it that it’s never stated in ANY mv

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yeah they have been inconsistent about that since trench I believe

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we thought it was an angle but quickly learned it wasnt

gritty trail
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Woah

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im not a smol bean

gritty trail
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I’m uninformed

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get this fucking role off of me

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its not 2015

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i am a 21 year old man

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get it off

gritty trail
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Are you okay

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no I have the smol bean role

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get it off

gritty trail
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I’m scared

dark ermine
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also I don’t why but since SAI they have “Twenty One Pilots” written in capital letters

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before it was “twenty one pilots” all in
lowercase

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ok i get it now

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its for the 10 year anniversary for bf

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wish we left that in 2015 but all good

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anybody who were fans through that time would have the same reaction as me

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that shit makes me cringe HARD when I read it

crisp palm
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which is i assume why it's capitalized

dark ermine
crisp palm
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i have seen that theory go around and... i'm not totally opposed to it

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i wish i was but there are a few to many coincidences

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well, not propoganda exactly but something more like they're being set up

dark ermine
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I just think it’s kind of a rebrand or something like that. We’ll see

lean mango
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The only music video that didn't have "from the full-length album" was Saturday, so rather than it not being consistent since Trench, there was only a single exception before Clancy

tame tendon
patent coral
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Yeah I think the lack of full length is highly suspect still, saturday being the only example and clancy having not a single example is weird

olive plume
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mark just forgot heeheegiggle

patent coral
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Clancy is the only album so far to have never been called “full length” even if it’s not in every music video

burnt bough
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sorry guys imnever take a look here but, does the cycling back to blurryface dont discard a double album possibility ?

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how are u guys working with that?

lean mango
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Really the main thing making me believe the theories about the lack of "full length" is the way they talked about Paladin as the "13th track"

bright tinsel
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Clancy rushes his plan and runs headfirst, boldly, into a potential trap.

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This ties in with The Outside, where he seized Keons just to declare war and show the Bishops his new power. When he could've kept it in his back pocket instead.

bright tinsel
teal compass
# dark ermine I just think it’s kind of a rebrand or something like that. We’ll see

Yeah I think it’s probably a general rebrand, they were already switching to full caps in most of the BF and trench branding outside music video titles, then sai and Clancy also used full caps in the branding with capitalization on the titles, switching to capitalizing the first letters is probably a choice to go better with them doing full caps for most branding

dark ermine
teal compass
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Afaik they’ve been using majority full caps on most branding since BF era, the only time they were using the all lowercase outside of video titles/social media was vessel and ST

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I do miss it though I liked the look of the all lowercase

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The all caps does have its own cool vibe though, and first letter caps is a good mix between the two styles

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found some good examples of what i mean, overall kinda funny theyve been known as the all lowercase band for so long when theyve been all caps for most of their history now

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funnily enough they were already doing the all caps back in RAB but then made the decision to shift back to all lowercase, i do hope we'll see it again some day

olive plume
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maybe back to lowercase for the next album that doesn’t have to do with the clancy lore heeheegiggle

winged sapphire
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arctic karma
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Okay y’all I have a theory but I don’t really know what it’s gonna lead to.

Tyler said in a tweet that the Clancy tour is a flashback, “a reminder of why we fight right before we do.” A few people have theorized that Clancy tour is taking place in Tyler/Clancy’s head during the final events of the PS MV when Nico attempts to smear him. I think this makes perfect sense with how the tour has been progressing lore-wise.

The primary examples here are Backslide as well as Tyler’s tour outfits.

Backslide has been becoming a huge part of the lore, with the black paint on the screens as well as the infamous Backslide scream.
During the first few shows of Clancy tour there was no Backslide scream, slowly over time the “I don’t wanna” became more and more intense. Now it’s at its most intense with Tyler screaming those lyrics directly into the mic.

Now for Tyler’s tour outfits. During the North American and LATAM legs, Tyler was wearing white t-shirts with black graphics on them. Since the beginning of the EU leg Tyler has switched to a black t-shirt with white graphics, as well as sporting a skin-tight black long sleeve underneath (Josh has matched this by wearing black leggings under his shorts).

To me this represents Nico’s influence on Tyler slowly growing, which could represent the moment in PS when Nico attempts to smear Clancy.

If my thinking is correct, I believe that as we get closer to the end of Clancy tour, we will see the imagery lightening up. Maybe Tyler will go back to wearing white t-shirts and ditch the black long sleeve underneath to represent that split second where Clancy seems to break free of the smear

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Right now the tour imagery has been getting darker and darker, leading most of us to believe Clancy is backsliding under the control of Nico. But story-wise a backslide doesn’t really make sense if they plan on fully closing the book on the DEMA storyline within the next year or so. I also don’t see Tyler and Josh ending this story on a loss, it would go against the whole mental health aspect of the story imo

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I do think that the ending will involve some sort of big loss, but overall I think the ending will be a triumphant one (especially with all the hints we’ve gotten towards DEMA burning to the ground).

brazen leaf
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if they end it on a loss then

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that’d be brutal

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and tbh

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from a storytelling point i’d be here for it

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but yeah it’ll probably be triumphant

arctic karma
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It would be absolutely brutal, especially with the mental health implications that that brings. Tyler/Clancy has undergone so much work to get out of DEMA, go through Trench only to be forced back to DEMA, then escaping again and returning with a literal army. Having the story end with Clancy back as a citizen in DEMA or even worse as a bishop would just throw all that hard work in the trash imo

brazen leaf
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yes

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so intrigued to see how they’ll close it out

arctic karma
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It would be super cool to see them bring Clancy to that dark place, and then back to a place of triumph but I just don’t see them having enough time to tell that whole story properly

brazen leaf
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we need a movie from this story like that’d go so hard

arctic karma
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I theorized about that earlier

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That they could possibly release a short film that starts around Trench era and comes up to the present and gives us a proper ending

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And then the soundtrack of the film would be their final album in the DEMA storyline

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They have been moving more in the direction of visual media this era, with every song on Clancy having a music video as well as the very strong possibility of a Clancy concert film, although I will admit the short film theory is incredibly far-fetched

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But I do think that their tour outfits will continue to change as we get closer to the end of tour. How they change well we’ll just have to wait and see lol

flat hawk
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he has a different shirt in all 4 pics wth, sorry if it's already been talked about

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crisp palm
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we're over at Shirt Nation solving this!!!

flat hawk
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oh, thanks!

native orchid
arctic karma
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That would be really cool! We do get that cinematic swell at the end of the MV would be so dope if that ended up being the beginning of the next lore song

cedar yacht
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Theory time - torchbearer

crisp palm
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not this double album thread becoming a new "theories" channel 💀

cedar yacht
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We haven't eaten ned yet, it's not theories just yet

rancid gust
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And 11 dots before and so are you on the fpe sign

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tribal raptor
brazen leaf
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shadow cipherBOT
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a - ?
d - Drag Path
i - I'm not Home
h - ?
g - Graffiti
r- Raw Fear
t- Triumph
n- (letter #001 Morse code) No Kin?
s- Seldom Surface
n- (new letter 4/17 Morse code) No Kin?
d-?

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It's all coming together

brazen leaf
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yesss

tame tendon
left kite
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We do not know that yet

tame tendon
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It’s way more probable than just showing off adihgrtnsnd

left kite
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Possibly, but I think the keyboard smash is more probable. It's okay to disagree tho

tame tendon
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The shirts could definitely possibly reveal more potential song titles but the Morse in the FPE letters has to be part of a message

lean mango
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Wait, new numbers on today's shirt?

brazen leaf
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yes

teal compass
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yes, spells out no kin

brazen leaf
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the numbers on the shirt are different from the letter morsecode?

left kite
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We don't know yet

tame tendon
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For a second I thought you were lying but YEAH YEAH YEAH MORE NUMBERS

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WAIT GUYS DO YK WHAT THIS MEANS?! I GOT A HUGE IDEA

left kite
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So far we have two Ns in the Morse, and then "Seldom Surface" and "No Kin" on the shirts

lean mango
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Where does Triumph come from?

left kite
# lean mango Where does Triumph come from?

It was the only capitilzed word on one of the letters, I think it's the biggest stretch of all of them, but is still a significant word that works with the keyboard smash. I'm not set for sure tho on that one and "Raw Fear" but theyre definitely possibilities

tame tendon
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Guys in the FPE there was a sheet that was titled “TOP’s first setlist” or smth. It said

Johnny Boy
Fall Away
Air Catcher
Taxi Cab
Addict with a Pen
Friend, Please
Kin
Trapdoor
Time to Say Goodbye

If Tyler’s shirt says No Kin, it’s gotta be connected to this song here, Kin, which we only first found out existed at the FPEs

lean mango
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Not necessarily, could just use the same word

tame tendon
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But it’s just weird that they revealed their “first setlist” at the FPEs and it had Kin, which we don’t even know what it is, and now we get No Kin on the shirt?

lean mango
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But my thinking is, why would it matter? We don't know what Kin was in the first place so it makes no difference if they're related

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Aka, revealing Kin at the FPE tells us nothing about No Kin or even its existence

tame tendon
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So you don’t think it’s connected whatsoever?

lean mango
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I think they may have similar themes

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But probably very different execution since Tyler has evolved as an artist so much

viral quail
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Hello double album theorists it’s your time to shine this new shirt proves we are in the right path… drag path 😉

https://x.com/attheriskofdeef/status/1914780745530532319?s=46&t=OZnsLa2kJp2VYmf6kl34UA

sophie | DEEF (@attheriskofdeef) on X

The double album theory is holding with tonight’s shirt!!
#ClancyBarcelona

The numbers at the bottom read and using a number cipher we get
1415 11914 ➡️ 14 15 11 9 14 ➡️ N O K I N

Connecting Tyler’s keyboard smash (adihgrtnsnd) and the bands first setlist
📸 @oh__olly

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modern atlas
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lean mango
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Oh, is it another one of the capitalized letter phrases?

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I def see the shirt codes as way more likely to be song titles than those, personally

teal compass
lean mango
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ah

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Yea, that's not that compelling to me as a potential song title tbh, no more than the other phrases that have been emphasized during The Judge

modern atlas
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lean mango
modern atlas
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rancid delta
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"Next of kin" but if there's no kin then... so someone dies? Maybe?

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Idk

lean mango
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"clancy must know this" iirc

teal compass
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Technically that 4th one’s just the whole letter lol but it popped up

cloud lynx
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unless i have been misunderstanding something

modern atlas
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idk.. Raw Fear seems like a title to me I could be completely wrong though. Never Forget also sounds like a title but that is a different story

cloud lynx
modern atlas
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you literally replied after i replied to you, so u can probably understand that i thought you were replying to me

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which confused me

modern atlas
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okay

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well it is good that we are in the same page now

lean mango
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It does sound like it could be a title, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything

modern atlas
lean mango
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also most TOP titles aren't particularly straightforward in their obvious connections to lore stuff

modern atlas
lean mango
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TOP has a tendency to have titles where it's not easy to tell what they're about, or what they'll sound like, just hearing the titles (which is one of my favorite aspects)

modern atlas
rancid delta
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Anything could be a title tbh, we have "pet cheetah" and "the craving"

cloud lynx
lean mango
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Yea, but before those came out we had no idea what they meant. Those titles are way more often used when they refer to lore stuff that isn't revealed yet

modern atlas
lean mango
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Yea, but that's one example out of all of the lore songs

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Not saying it's not possible

modern atlas
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also the most recent

lean mango
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but TOP likes to not give meanings way in song titles, generally

cloud lynx
lean mango
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Seldom Surface and No Kin fit that a lot more imo

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There are some possibilities for what they could mean or refer to

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But those ideas could be completely wrong

modern atlas
# cloud lynx (the latest letter)

Ah. I do see how Raw Fear could be eliminated and that is just a personal theory of mine, but I still think Seldom Surface and Drag Path and now No Kin have to do with the keyboard smash and those aren’t just words from the letter, they are unique phrases that have made their way out of shirts and stuff

cloud lynx
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fair

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That's more or less my theory

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modern atlas
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imo No Kin doesn’t sound like a song title (at least not one from TOP) but I would be surprised to hear it if it is a song

lean mango
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the bits of lyrics we have are great

brazen leaf
cloud lynx
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"no kin" has more of a lyrics vibe to me

lean mango
modern atlas
lean mango
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Yep lol

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I'm hoping

brazen leaf
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every time a track list has been leaked we’re all like this has to be fake cause the names sound so abnormal

lean mango
modern atlas
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well Paladin Strait sounds abnormal but everything else in Clancy sounds normal to me

lean mango
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So many people were surprised about "The Craving (Jenna's Version)"

brazen leaf
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i remember with trench everyone was so confused at the name nico and the niners 😭

lean mango
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and Pet Cheetah

modern atlas
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like Grafitti, Drag Path and Seldom Surface sound pretty normal but No Kin is just out of place

cloud lynx
lean mango
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Why do you think No Kin is out of place?

brazen leaf
lean mango
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Sounds really fitting to me, personally

modern atlas
brazen leaf
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anything can be a title imo

cloud lynx
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the leaked setlist spelling "Paladin Strait" as "Paladin Straight"

lean mango
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Every album has had some titles that felt weird and non-TOP-ish to me at first

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even Paladin Strait ngl, not because of the misspelling but because of what I mentioned about them not usually having such on-the-nose titles

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Tbh the big tell for me that will make me really confident these could be song titles is if we get one that sounds completely non-lore-related

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Something like Oldies Station appearing on a shirt would be a dead giveaway

rancid delta
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I wouldn't at all be surprised if the last song is straight up just called Dema

cloud lynx
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fair point

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cuz like

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we literally have Paladin Strait

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i wouldn't be too surprised if there's at least another song like that, with a very lore name

cloud lynx
rancid delta
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Could even be the album name

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We got Trench

brazen leaf
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huh

rancid delta
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Blurryface- Trench - SAI (the odd one out) - Clancy - Dema

brazen leaf
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ohhh yh

rancid delta
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I'm still on team Torchbearer though, but in the end it's never what any of us imagine it is so guess we'll just have to wait and see lol

trim bough
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Hi guys, how are you? Can somebody tell me where did the word Graffiti on the list came from? Thaanks

lean mango
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In the Digital Remains, there's a song called Graffiti discovered bleeding through to one of the other lyric pages

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(increasing the contrast allowed us to find some of the lyrics and the title)

trim bough
lilac breach
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Hi¡¡ can someone explain to me why the new album theory has resurfaced? What happened to make it re-emerge?

wheat gorge
wraith gulch
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gentle yoke
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i’ve seen people saying stuff about how they want an album to be about torchbearer. I was kinda thinking about how like “i’m not home” might be referring to My Blood and “Drag Path” to the “I am Clancy” video which connects it to Jumpsuit. Could this point to this all being songs from TB’s pov? Plus the person above me mentioned The craving (debby’s version) which could even more point to it? lol what if it’s even josh singing on it?? It’s probably just making sense in my head because i think that would be so cool but who knows lol

brazen leaf
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for those of us who believed since day 1

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we stayed strong

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AND WE WERE RIGHT

cedar yacht
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Been here since the beginning of the thread I believed all along.

wheat gorge
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the day they announce it is going to be so vindicating, genuinely we've been here since day one

reef sapphire
cedar yacht
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We're gonna go crazy

dark ermine
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wtf I love this theory

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brazen leaf
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definitely tyler won’t accept the clancy jacket

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backslide scream will be crazy

brazen leaf
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lol

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and now evidence is so obvious

cloud lynx
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i've been saying it, or at least thinking it, since the tracklist got leaked

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lmao

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i thought there's no way the story's gonna end on a song called "Paladin Strait"

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then it dropped out, cliffhanger, then the MV, and again, cliffhanger
and like yet again, there's no way that's the end

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ofc what form it is gonna take is up to debate and imagination, but it is almost certain we're gonna have more music, i think we can at least agree on that

tame tendon
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Fr

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Everyone who didn’t believe are gonna bow to our knees when the shirts reveal the whole of adihgrtnsnd

cloud lynx
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it pretty much confirmed it to me

cloud lynx
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it's fun but i don't take it fully seriously (yet)

tame tendon
cloud lynx
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fair

cloud lynx
tame tendon
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The shirt that said seldom surface absolutely freaked me out and I feel like the no kin thing is further proof of adihgrtnsnd and I definitely think more of these are gonna happen

cloud lynx
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A
Drag Path (Devil's eyes)
I'm Not Home
H
Graffiti
R
Triumph
No Kin
Seldom Surface
N
D

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(copied from a tweet cuz lazy but i added Triumph lol)

tame tendon
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Like we thought silver weighted sun could be a thing but then seldom surface happened

cloud lynx
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we'll see i guess

molten sandal
tame tendon
proven harbor
reef oxide
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So People been saying that tweet of tyler on overcompensate date is track list to double album and now we getting shirts corresponding to the letters

What if the amount of days is left the amount of letters and the last day they'll announce the album

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We have
Im not home
Graffiti
Seldom surface
And no kin so far

dark ermine
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WE’RE SO BACK

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cloud lynx
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lmao

dark ermine
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I refuse to believe that in the last show of the Clancy Era they will not tease something, especially after all of this

cloud lynx
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i agree yeah there might still be smth happening

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it's building up to smth

tame tendon
dark ermine
tame tendon
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No it’s fine but how is Tyler seriously putting those words out there? It feels like he’s messing with us but idk anything anymore

dark ermine
cloud lynx
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the full interview

winged sapphire
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they are in trouble

cloud lynx
compact arrow
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They called me crazy

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They said I was just making shit up

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Who’s the crazy one now mf’s

patent coral
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Here's to the OG double album truthers

winged sapphire
winged sapphire
compact arrow
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I am Apollo

winged sapphire
compact arrow
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I swear if I see any past doubters in here

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You need to apologize

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patent coral
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Victory tastes so sweet

winged sapphire
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im double album truther since paladin mv

compact arrow
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I posted this March 1st 2024

patent coral
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Double album truther since OC dropped, knew something felt off in the tracklist right away

compact arrow
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Before next semester I think

dark ermine
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People on reddit are still saying things like “yeah maybe one song or a longer MV” guys this is the OPPOSITE of Copium what the hell

patent coral
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Also the mismatched production timelines for Clancy

dark ermine
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I understand being negative just for the sake of it, but c’mon

patent coral
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Copium scales have tipped fr

winged sapphire
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wha do yall think the album names gonna be

patent coral
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Thinking it will just be Clancy but extended tracklist to 25 songs

dark ermine
winged sapphire
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deef

dark ermine
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We should make a bingo card for all the theories about the double album, for example I think we will finally have the cyan era

winged sapphire
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but damn London n2 is fucked

dark ermine
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The question is why London? I assumed something so important should’ve come like in Colombus

cloud lynx
winged sapphire
winged sapphire
patent coral
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The UK favoritism has been especially obvious this cycle lol

cloud lynx
winged sapphire
dark ermine
cloud lynx
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was in London iirc

patent coral
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Yeah the UK has always been an important place for them it seems

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"dangerous bend" lyric was a nod to the UK too

winged sapphire
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i mean yeah isn't UK lore wise important as well

cloud lynx
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jk

winged sapphire
cloud lynx
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init

cloud lynx
winged sapphire
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anyways there's noth to theorise about double album anymore because it's just confirmed lol @cloud lynx

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its sad that lore is ending but

cloud lynx
winged sapphire
winged sapphire
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like producing wide

cloud lynx
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Clancy's already an absolute banger

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and we're getting even more banger music?

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we're spoiled

winged sapphire
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he did later make it 8

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which is still wrong the album is a 10

compact arrow
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Nah trench and vessel are 10’s

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BF and Clancy are 8/9’s

floral holly
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we are so back

lucid steppe
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yuh

graceful hill
olive plume
lucid steppe
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ive been double album since DAY 1 BABY

brazen leaf
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SINCE DAY 1 WE WERE RIGHT

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SHAME TO THOSE WHO CALLED US DELUSIONAL

lime carbon
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LET’S GOOOO

rancid delta
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might be time to get rid of the "probably not" part of the chat name and change it to "probably"

lean mango
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Still think it's too early to assume it's happening for sure

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But def looking possible

lucid steppe
serene imp
tepid thunder
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guys lets be real we have been eating too good for the past year it's prolly not gonna happen (but damn id love it to)

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"its not nothing" probably just means they aren't gonna retire

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"PROBABLY"

lean mango
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I mean, it's almost certainly referring to BF10 stuff, or the ending, or both

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"It's not nothing" just feels like the most non-answer

tepid thunder
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anniversary stream, tour second leg probs

lean mango
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like, an ending is confirmed, so we know it's not nothing