Double Album Confirmed

[burnt scarab]

too many 13s to count and it’s the only 13 that lies on a Friday this year

Or February march and November next year if you really want to be quirky

also I bet the last shirt ks probably gonna be like Clancy or something and the red design on it will be fire

[trail sand]

May 17th will be the 10-year anniversary for Blurryface so I imagine SOMETHING will happen around then

[tame tendon]

It’ll be March 21 trust

That’s a Friday

[burnt bough]

but the lyrics in polarize say sunday

[sly hazel]

Judging by what they seem to be building up to
I think the double album could well just be Blurryface part 2 to both celebrate 10 years and also end off the whole story and be a mirror to the Clancy album
Like they could just call it "Nico" or something

[olive plume]

so more in line with a possible deluxe edition of blurryface than clancy, you mean?

or something similar

would that take the place of the clancy ultimate chapter 25 tease or would that be something separate from blurryface 10?

so many possibilities

[burnt scarab]

blurry face 10 will either be a lore drop or a fun event

knowing the pilots probably both together

[patent coral]

This is lowkey everything they do honestly

[compact arrow]

I see we are still tweakin in this thread

been a min, hope yall are doing well

[brazen leaf]

THE THEORY IS STILL ALIVE

[tough timber]

lol on behalf of shirt nation I'm gonna say we're tentatively thinking june 13, 2025 something might happen

[karmic lake]

Yes 13 has been teased on the shirts

[trail sand]

Ooh why June?

[tough timber]

here's the recent occurrences of 1s and 3s https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iRvUCPhVzE0IESdota5ISEAwqeEfDujZBX2l1P0Ry9Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tough timber]

we had a lot of 6/25 stuff come up before
to the point that there was a large group thinking june 25th of 2024
but that shifted to June of 2025 when 6/25 came and went with nothing happening lol

[karmic lake]

Woah there was so much more 1 3 and 13 appearances than I caught, they’re definitely teasing something

[tough timber]

to be fair the recent reuse of the shirts that correspond to these numbers is what led us to start noticing them more

this is just a list thrown together based on recent #1274822687255957551 discussions and rediscoveries

[karmic lake]

I appreciate it and I’m happy you posted it here so I can reply bc I can’t send messages in verified, I got stuck on the first part lol

[rancid delta]

Something gonna happen in March

3rd month. With the 1s and the 3s?

Also the month where no shows are happening? It's obvious

Single march, Blurryface 10 in May, album either in May alongside the Blurryface stuff, or a month later in June, probably on June 13th. Ending the story on friday the 13th would be interesting

[tame tendon]

Tbh I doubt they’re gonna drop a single, I’d guess either an announcement or a huge hint

[rancid delta]

Still, something in march

Even if it's just a tease

[tame tendon]

Exactly

March 21, trust

[rancid delta]

Also, Overcompensate dropped on February 29th. Maybe something on March 1st, because that's a year later? (Because there is no Feb 29th this year lmao)

[tame tendon]

Interesting but idk, we’ll just have to wait and see, only a month and a week

[rancid delta]

Yeah. It just lines up too well imo. Might even not end up happening since it's so obvious

[tame tendon]

Idk are TOP the type to give out false hints

Send us on a wild goose chase for nothing

[rancid delta]

I hope that doubt demo is on BF10

I feel like they showed that off for a reason lol

Also "I'm not home"

[livid pine]

i feel like theres been a lot of lead up to things that just didnt happen over the past year and also a lot that has paid off. i feel like it could go either way

[tame tendon]

I definitely don’t, even tho the cat noises were gone there was way more autotune

[livid pine]

i just really want 6 25 to mean something

[rancid delta]

Demos are cool. And BF already has a live album so we don't really need live tracks

I have the vessel box set so I'm excited to see what they do for BF10, and whatever this new project is. I feel like they are intertwined

Could easily be marketed as "buy the beginning of the story for its anniversary, alongside the finale"

As a nostalgia thing

Blurryface was HUGE. I doubt the boys want to take too much attention away from any new album/ep, so they would probably have to market them both together

FBR barely marketed Clancy at all, but I know damn well they will for BF10. They might have to do both together

[tame tendon]

Lucky, I only wish I was a fan during Vessel tenth anniversary and now I can’t get the tenth anniversary vinyl

[tame tendon]

EXACTLY that is exactly what I’m saying. Blurryface was their big hit and even random people who aren’t huge fans might be interested in the anniversary

[rancid delta]

You can get it still on discogs but they can be expensive at times

I got mine for like 80 dollars, I missed the original drop

[dark ermine]

I can’t see a single dropping during the current tour, but who knows

[rancid delta]

They aren't touring in March. That whole month there aren't any shows, and it picks back up in April

If there would be any time to tease/release something, it would be then

[dark ermine]

I mean that it’s still during the Clancy Tour. I don’t think they will release something before the end of the tour. Maybe a tease or something, but not an entire new song that announce a new era (or part of the current era).

[rancid delta]

The Line dropped

[dark ermine]

It’s a soundtrack exception just like it was Heathens and you know it.

[rancid delta]

You were acting like they couldn't drop while touring. Just because it was a part of a show doesn't make it any less of a drop. Don't get all riled up now.

I'm sure the boys got this all planned out

[dark ermine]

It's different because both Heathens and The Line are commissioned songs whose release doesn't depend on them. But a new song that will start a new era is unlikely to come out during the current tour.

[rancid delta]

Whatever. Well see what happens

[karmic pumice]

Im not sure it was commissed, didn't Tyler said he was happy to work for Arcane ?

I mean the song sounds also very personal

I always thought The Line was proposed to Fortiche

i want to have the vinyl rn to compare

By compression you mean the effect - like a compressor when you are mastering the audio - or just really the digital compression (so in this case 16 bits/44,100)

I personnally have a copy in flac 24 bits/44,100 and it sounds great, but very different than a vinyl.

[arctic karma]

Nah not the effect, more so the digital compression that happens

And yeah I’ve listened to Clancy extensively on digital and vinyl and there is certainly a difference in audio quality, smt that’s extremely common these days

If you can’t afford a record player and a vinyl collection digital is still pretty damn good. Get some good wired headphones and you’ll have an amazing listening experience

[bright tinsel]

The compressor on the master is a real issue overall with Clancy - but like Jay said, the whole album sounds massively better on vinyl. Digital compression mashed with an album that is already decently compressed in terms of mastering leads to a very crunchy and poor result.

As for .flac rips, I have a rip that someone made on day one, but maybe I should do a rip from the CD copy I own, because I don’t know how good the rip I currently have is.

Regardless, hearing the album on vinyl gives it a whole new dimension. I especially love the wave-y “distortion” that I notice on a lot of the chords, such as the intro to Overcompensate or the synths throughout Paladin Strait.

[arctic karma]

Yes!! Dude it sounds magical on vinyl

I found the same thing with Trench too. A lot of little production things you can’t hear on the digital but they come to life on vinyl

[karmic pumice]

I cant afford it now… but my girlfriend have a very nice sound system
For the moment i will try to find a vinyl rip

[karmic pumice]

I want to have vinyl rip of every album now •-•

[bright tinsel]

Definitely. Tyler and Paul are both amazing producers and they add so many layers to their songs, that listening to them on digital/streaming just feels like a crime.

[arctic karma]

I feel you on that😂😂

Tbf though TØP’s productions in general have a lot of layers that play off of each-other and lots of little background sounds you barely notice. This is smt that can be seen all the way back to Vessel tbh

Even before Paul came around Tyler was going crazy with their productions. I wonder what Self-Titled and RAB would sound like on vinyl

[karmic lake]

making this thread active again

[tame tendon]

Don’t worry in just 2 short weeks it’ll be jumping when the tenth bishop is revealed

[rancid delta]

that would be so funny

[tame tendon]

It also might be true tho, that’s what scares me the most

Clancy being revealed as a bishop on the last shirt

[modern atlas]

but we already repeated a bishop right? so why would there need to be a tenth

[tame tendon]

What we didn’t repeat anyone yet

Where’d you get that idea

[modern atlas]

wait

we repeated listo right?

[tame tendon]

No?

Where’d you get that from

[modern atlas]

am i stupid

i could have sworn something got repeated on the part 2 night

[tame tendon]

No, it was Andre the first night then Listo for the second night of Buenos Aires

[modern atlas]

Alr thanks

my bad for doubting you

[tame tendon]

You aren’t doubting me you were doubting the facts

[modern atlas]

💀

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117774740405366814/1292653761898221638/caption.gif

[tame tendon]

What’d I do

[graceful hill]

how are we feeling about this theory these days

[open bluff]

Still alive

[cloud lynx]

yup

[graceful hill]

i think itll be interesting to see what happens

[tough timber]

personally i think if more music is coming in June 2025 we can expect more obvious hints soon (March?)

[graceful hill]

yeah i heard some talk about march 21 or something for a single

if thats even on the cards

[tough timber]

I believe the march 21 idea came from the second tour video

bc nico's face appears at 3:20 and 3:22 with headless tyler in between at 3:21

there's been a lot of 1s and 3s and 13s lately but hard to say what those are pointing towards

[karmic lake]

June 13 2025 maybe?

It is a Friday

[tough timber]

it's not impossible

just don't want to get my hopes up til there's more evidence 😅

[graceful hill]

i think itd be reasonable to say theres something coming, we just dont know what

hence the ultimus capitalus 25 stuff

[karmic lake]

True, I’m just putting the puzzle pieces together and we’ll just have to wait and see if it’s the right fit /nm

[rancid delta]

i mean tyler did straight up say he was working on the ending. just in what form that ending will be is the question.

album/ep is very likely imo, as i think its near impossible to clear everything up with just one single. i hope its separate from the rest of clancy though, and isnt just stacked on top of it as a deluxe

[tame tendon]

Nah we gotta stack it on top of Clancy cause Clancy is clearly incomplete now

[rancid delta]

At least separate for physical copies then, I wouldn't want to buy more copies of Clancy and have my current versions only being half of the project

[graceful hill]

I wonder if something changed

Were we told that Clancy the album would end it or just clancy in general

[wheat gorge]

well they did say this was the final album... so if there is more music, it'll either come in the form of like a "Clancy Deluxe" or they significantly stretched the truth since a new "sister album" will technically be apart of Clancy, but still be its own thing

or they just lied to hide the surprise

[rancid delta]

i see it as the clancy era as a whole, whatever this next thing is will still be a part of the same era

similar marketing, probably similar logos and such too

could defo see a more purple/blue vibe rather than the red/yellow though

[graceful hill]

All fun and games till the drum set is purple at the last show

[left kite]

If it is a double album, it's exciting to think that unless it's a surprise drop, the marketing should start soon

[wheat gorge]

i agree. even if we did get a double album with 10+ new tracks, it'd probably still have a similar art style, the same logo for this era, etc.

basically "Clancy Part 2" but with a different name, probably.

[rancid delta]

Placing my bets on "Torchbearer"

[wheat gorge]

I'm feeling either "Torchbearer" or "Inferno"

[solid whale]

Like no phun intended?

[compact arrow]

still wanna know where the music that was being made during the bandito tour is at

because SAI was a byproduct of the pandemic

[solid whale]

Trueeee

Cuz they literally couldn't make just clancy album

Surely they have tons of songs that are unreleased

[open bluff]

I really hope it is

[small turtle]

Was it? It feels that way, because of when it fell, but Tyler has said there was always going to be a part of the story about isolation, and it was rather convenient that it fell when it did, when our sense of isolation, and his while working on it, could add a layer.

[graceful hill]

if it is in fact a double album could we expect marketing soon

[olive plume]

i think it would depend on the estimated release date. clancy had (almost) three months of marketing. if we’re thinking this will release in june sometime, then that’ll require they at least start marketing something next month or in april, at the latest. maybe

but then it gets all muddy with potential marketing for blurryface’s 10th anniversary too

[rancid delta]

If we're expecting something in May/June then yeah expecting something in March sometime would make sense

And yeah BF10 will almost certainly be a big issue with marketing a new album, unless they decide to market both at the same time as a double release

[tame tendon]

March 21 trust

[dark ermine]

If there’s gonna be some sorta of big marketing for the second album, I think it will be after BF anniversary

[tame tendon]

Hear me out, they’ll announce it on March 21 and release it on June 13

[cloud lynx]

hey do you think it is realistic to think of a sort of mashup between Clancy Deluxe + Blurryface Deluxe/10th anniversary?

im pretty sure we're gonna get more music but do you think they might like... fusion Clancy Deluxe & the Blurryface anniversary in some way?

whatever they have planned is probably gonna be sick

[cloud lynx]

whether it's a big release like a big Clancy/Blurryface Deluxe, or just in general incorporating the Blurryface anniversary into the Clancy era/the next era

[cloud lynx]

honestly it could even make sense to release Clancy and Blurryface as a double album

or maybe even releasing the Clancy Final Chapter AS a fusionned Blurryface/Clancy Deluxe thing with new music?
or even just a Blurryface album but extended with brand new music which serves as an ending

it would be circular in a way, we're restarting the cycle... but nope we're breaking it

don't pay much attention to me or don't take me too seriously btw im just dreaming

[cloud lynx]

this could also tie with the whole shenanigans happening with Clancy possibly becoming a Bishop in some way

[rancid delta]

The end of clancy part 2 continuing the cycle back into blurryface

[tame tendon]

I’m definitely thinking TOP could announce the double album and another leg of the tour on March 21, then release the double album on June 13, then do the next leg of tour in maybe August

[meager fjord]

that would be a really quick turn around for tour- they usually like some space between legs of tours

like- six months to a year in between

[olive plume]

i would be more into the idea of blurryface 10th anniversary being packaged with clancy part 2 if they hadn’t made it clear that the lore started with vessel

i know the storyline music videos started with blurryface/heavydirtysoul but the start of this whole Thing was cemented in vessel

i think it’s more likely they’ll be sold and marketed separately—they would make more money that way

[left kite]

I think it'll kinda be one thing. The ending of the story as the 10th anniversary of the beginning

[wheat gorge]

hmm I wouldn't guess a mashup, but I do think that with both anniversaries coming up, they might do something.

I definitely think they'll hold an event for the 10 year anniversary of Blurryface, likely a stream like with Vessel, probably the re-release of the album. Now, with Clancy's 1 year anniversay the next week, I don't think theyll release anything at that point, given they typically don't drop things that back to back. Instead, I think Clancy's 1 year anniversary could be the perfect time for them to officially announce the live album, with release likely in the following month of June, maybe July.

I know a lot of people are putting forward March as the announcement of a double album to Clancy, but personally I think its too close. I think a safer and more realistic bet would be post-tour, after May. To help segment Clancy and its tour as one half of the era, and as the double album and its tour as the second half.

my prediction is:

• they finish touring on May 14
• May 17 - Blurryface 10 Year Anniversary w/ livestream, anniversary vinyl announced, and likely some interesting lore with Blurry/The Bishops given their focus during the tour (them taking over Torchie's letter, the shirts recently, etc.)
• May 24 - Clancy 1 Year Anniversary celebrated with the official announcement of the live album and when that'll be released, sometime in June/July.
• Sometime after that, building off the lore with the BF 10y anniversary stream, we get the answer to what Clancy Ultimate Chapter 25 is, potentially as a double album released in the later half of the year. My guess, in October (to mirror Trench the way Clancy was released close to Blurryface (and SAI))

I meant the next week after Blurryface's 10 year anniversary

[cloud lynx]

oooh

fair enough

my bad

[wheat gorge]

lmao youre good!

[olive plume]

i agree with ^ all of that. i think anything “more” with clancy will be announced after this “first part” of clancy is finished

i think they also need an extended time off from tour for them to rest and for tyler to spend time with his family. i have no doubt we’re going to get a second leg/part of the tour but it might come later than we’re anticipating

[wheat gorge]

agreed. thinking back to have they've managed their time in eras past, and what seems realistic, I think if we are getting a full new album, it won't be until much later this year. If I'm right about October, that gives them June - September (4 months) to take a break besides any promotion for a double album that would occur during this time. Tour for the double album could then start late October to November, like Bandito Tour, and continue into 2026.

[rancid delta]

my take on a "Torchbearer" album cover

[real field]

Looks sick

[compact arrow]

Either way I’m just happy that I managed to call a part 2 of the album months before the album released.

Hopefully don’t have to wait the typical 3 years for it.

I hope years down the road we get an album of unreleased songs from multiple albums to see the through process of building the album.

[cloud lynx]

honestly it was pretty obvious from since the tracklist leaked

or at least it was already possible to think about it

but people shut it down so vehemently

[cloud lynx]

i'd genuinely argue that "Paladin Strait" never sounded like an ending track even just from reading the leaked tracklist
it screamed cliffhanger to me

xd

"but maybe it's all circling back blablabla cycle blablabla"
no, if that's ur ending then it's lazy and it fucking sucks and we're not learning any lesson from it

they could play with the cycle thing, e.g (Clancy Tour spoilers) ||Paladin Strait ending scene flashback into Jumpsuit, and i'll admit Paladin Strait does transition well into Overcompensate||
or maybe something will happen with the Blurryface 10th anniversary, who knows
but like, it's not the end xddd

[teal compass]

I think the reason people were so quick to shut down the idea of any sort of follow up was because we just got done with sai era where we had equally prominent double album rumors but not actually based off of anything other than people being unsatisfied with sai and wanting something more/different, Clancy era has been completely different though with the band teasing a follow up from release day

Especially with how memey the sai double album speculation got sometimes, at its worst you’d have people saying sai was an intentionally bad album that wasn’t the “real album” and would be followed up by a second secret album that was actually good, so a lot of people’s first instinct was to think any sort of Clancy follow up speculation was more baseless coping from people unsatisfied with the album

Hell i still saw a lot of people not believing there will be any sort of follow up even after they directly showed us the ultimus capitulus teaser, the sai era cope really did a number on the fans lol

[candid flume]

so how is that confirmed?

i haven’t caught up in here for a while

the lore has gotten to complicated for my fighting-to-get-through-high-school-mind

[olive plume]

tyler himself said he’s still figuring out how to present the ending to us a few months ago, when he was doing the q101 live lounge

also during the clancy release livestream, he said “does this sound like the end?” about paladin, hinting that it isn’t the end

there was also a radio interview before the album came out where tyler said the final battle happens “after the record”

so we know for sure there’s something more coming. we just don’t know the form it will take

[teal compass]

The digital remains teaser is probably the most direct thing, straight up telling us there will be a final chapter to Clancy in (20)25

We don’t know if it’s for sure a second album but there have been multiple confirmations that something more is absolutely coming

[bright tinsel]

If Clancy Ultimus Capitulus ends with the Heavydirtysoul screech, I’m officially clocked out. 😭

[bright tinsel]

We should have known it was a cliffhanger because Paladin Strait is just the strait leading to Dema, meaning the journey isn’t over yet, and the final battle hasn’t been finished.

[olive plume]

the placeholder was quite literally him sitting on the edge of a cliff too

[cloud lynx]

i never realized wtf

[rancid delta]

Paladin Strait is also quite literally a body of water between two places

And The Line existing too, whether it's lore or not, I mean come on. The name itself says a lot, a line in the logo with two dashes. It's so obvious it's actually funny lol

[cloud lynx]

Clancy Tour spoiler
||btw they placed The Line literally in the middle of the setlist||

[rancid delta]

Even better lmao

[rancid delta]

Literal cliffhanger lol

[compact arrow]

This was before the track list leak

[brazen leaf]

i think its such a strong theory

that the second part

is titled

torchbearer

it would make so much sense

to have a part 1 called clancy and a part 2 called torchbearer

[cloud lynx]

oooh maybe we see Torchbearer's part of the story/character progression?

up until Paladin's Strait?

[cloud lynx]

then maybe like they get reunited again

or they both fight in parallel with Torchy leading the rebellion in the city?

[cloud lynx]

maybe in third person, interpreted by Clancy/directly by Tyler out-of-character

[rancid delta]

We need more Josh vocals anyways

[open bluff]

tomorrow could be a big day with the t-shirt stuff so maybe we'll get more proof for this channel

[tame tendon]

Oh fr, specifically proof of Clancy becoming a bishop cause we’ve already gotten the nine bishops

[cloud lynx]

i personally believe his overcompensation is leading him to a trap

and that he might become corrupted in a way, or directly some sort of bishop

[cloud lynx]

this is why i don't believe "red" is actually good this era

[tame tendon]

Well that isn’t what I mean, I mean that after Clancy finishes off Nico he’ll be a better leader of Dema, hence “we must do better” from the FPE message

[cloud lynx]

he'd probably still become not better than them tbh

the cycle will restart if he fails to destroy Dema/fails to transform vialism back to its original non-corrupted roots (remember, it's "a hijacked religion")

[cloud lynx]

i still believe that

he is just blinded by vengeance right now, and overcompensating, without looking at the dangerous bend symbol

[tame tendon]

So leading Dema into a better future doesn’t end the cycle?

[cloud lynx]

depending on what happens/what they do with vialism and Dema, i totally think the cycle could have the potential to restart, or that Clancy could become corrupted like the current bishops

[rancid delta]

Just imagine he shows up wearing bishop robes tomorrow

If we're expecting part 2 to drop in May/June something has to happen soon

And the one year anniversary of Overcompensate is THIS WEEK. I have this feeling in my gut that it's almost time

[tame tendon]

Technically it won’t have a real anniversary for 3 more years but yeah

[dark ermine]

And there’s also the european leg of the tour. I’m hoping to get something new lore wise when I see the boys in april

[modern atlas]

Don’t want to jinx it, but fingers crossed for something tomorrow.

3/1 and 1 year after overcompensate, come on…

[karmic lake]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-on-wood-bruno-encanto-disney-good-luck-gif-26409699

[modern atlas]

and they’re hyping up the performance tomorrow…

actually might just be an ad for the game nvm

[modern atlas]

😢

[cloud lynx]

but it does not, in fact, complete this story

and imo it does not feel like a full-length album either

[tough timber]

aside from tyler's snarky "does it sound like the end" comment we also have him saying it isn't the end and that there is an end that wasn't finished at the time of the q101 lounge thing he did

he's been king of mixed signals about this era lol

[wheat gorge]

besides, I doubt the band write the little "about me" sections on Spotify, that's either someone else on their marketing team or someone from Spotify

[silent cairn]

Agreed.

I'm really not a fan of a deluxe album as a concept, personally

It feels cheap when you could just do an EP at the least

[bright tinsel]

I wonder if the reason why nothing has happened yet is because the boys haven’t had enough time to logistically plan out a continuation of the story and give it the weight it deserves.

Think the Paladin Strait music video - we know how much emphasis and resources Tyler and the crew put into making that. So much so that it couldn’t be finished in time, and we simply had to wait.

Clancy Final Chapter could be in a similar limbo. Tyler has a concept of a plan; we know that the story isn’t over yet, and that Tyler does have an ending in mind, and one that may not satisfy everyone (i.e. NOT a cliffhanger, because such is not a definitive ending at all) but it might take time to see it all fleshed out.

It’s one thing for Tyler to have songs planned out for the next stage of the storyline, like Drag Path for instance. But producing those songs, then advertising and building up to them, and THEN making music videos is a long and (I’m guessing) exhausting process. Especially while touring.

These are just my thoughts. More will come at some point relatively soon, and the “album every 3 years” cycle will be symbolically broken. But it will take time to flesh out all of the moving parts, and that’s why nothing has been teased yet.

[karmic lake]

Plus the something is going to happen on march 21st theory hasn’t been proven or disproven

[teal compass]

I don’t think they’re necessarily taking that long to do something or behind schedule or anything, the Ultimus Capitulus 25 teaser and the fpe letters through the tour seem to be part of a slow buildup over the course of the tour, the 25 seems to refer to 2025 generally so if nothing happens this year it would be taking a while but I think we probably have until may at the earliest when Europe wraps up for us to fully get into the rollout for what’s next, maybe July or August if they wanna take a bit of a break to hammer out the details

Seems less like it being caught in a limbo to me and more like this is just the planned amount of time they intended to space it out for so they could work on the follow up, idk if we really have any indication they’re late or anything

[olive plume]

crack theory of mine is that the second part of clancy also has music videos already made for all the songs and they realized they needed to make videos for the first part to make up for that

even though i know tyler said recently that they’re still trying to work out how to visually show the ending

regardless—i do think the music portion of whatever comes next has been done since clancy was finished and they’re holding it for a later date

[teal compass]

I’ve always thought they probably filmed at least the ending of the tower confrontation already, it would make the most sense to wrap that scene when they had all the same actors together and the tower set built and all. Especially since they’ve gotta fly Nico out from Iceland and he’s a relatively old guy who isn’t a dedicated actor and just happened to be a guy they found who worked with horses

Wouldn’t be surprised if they did some other stuff for the finale at that time but it’s hard to say without knowing where the story goes

If the vessels or banditos are gonna be playing a role in whatever happens immediately next it would also make sense to do their scenes at that time too

This is assuming some sort of more extended ending and not just a one music video conclusion or something given Tyler’s comments, although if they’re using heavy cgi again I could see him still trying to get that to look right- it does seem like the delay for Paladin would have mostly been for the cgi work since there’s relatively little in the video that’s physical and it doesn’t seem like they did reshoots

[olive plume]

while i do think paladin strait was pretty, i wish they still filmed at least some of it on location instead of it entirely being in the studio

[teal compass]

I agree

Certainly an impressive video but it feels so much less grounded than the other videos and it’s a bit jarring

[olive plume]

i know they probably wanted to go big or go home with this but there’s something about it that doesn’t hit the same as the other trench/dema videos (like the outside)

[teal compass]

I’ve made the comparison a couple times before that the cgi landscapes have always made it feel more like a cutscene from a video game adaptation of the story than an actual continuation of the music videos 😭

They managed to make the other videos feel “real” despite the use of cgi compositing and Paladin doesn’t feel real in the same way and kinda breaks my immersion into the world Tyler built

Also this is kinda petty and not that big of a deal but some of the smaller visual detail inconsistency bothers me a bit, like a recurring visual motif from trench era being that dema is on a flat plain so you can always see it when you look back from trench which Clancy even mentions in his letters but in Paladin it’s seemingly nestled into this mountainous valley and completely out of sight until you’re right next to it

Definitely something that would only bother the lightly unhinged superfans but as one of those lightly unhinged superfans I wish they tried to match the visuals a bit better to the previous portrayal, kinda comes off like the people who worked on Paladin didn’t even watch the previous videos for inspiration on what trench should look like

Even outside of matching the previous look there’s some weird details like the city looking different in the far away shots from how it does on the closeups or the fact the neon gravestones disappear for the tower shots and it just goes straight city -> wall

I’m sure this stuff isn’t on Tyler’s part and is from the outsourcing to a cgi mill but it’s somewhat unfortunate to have it affect a climactic moment of the story

[olive plume]

which i know they Must have seen something of it or at least knew about the story beforehand since the director said he read up on one of the lore threads on reddit before jumping on calls with the band

which. if the director only read that reddit thread and watched the previous videos, what, a handful of times, and didn’t read any of clancy’s letters, that would explain a few things

but didn’t the director say something about making the video its own contained thing? or something to that effect?

[teal compass]

I don’t think I’ve heard the self contained thing although I’d be interested to hear more about what he said if anyone knows the context there

I wonder if that was Tyler’s choice or the director’s choice- I could see him wanting to make a different impression from Andrew since he’s taking over from someone else’s work. Still questionable to me to do that when you’re continuing a broader story but kinda understandable from a directors viewpoint at least

I do wish they had just gotten Andrew back tbh I wonder if it was a scheduling issue that caused them to just use him for next semester, which seems like a video mark could have handled, and put the big story events on mark and jensens shoulders

[olive plume]

i might be misremembering something. i went through his instagram and couldn’t find anything in the captions there, unless it was on his stories when he was doing a q&a

[teal compass]

I found this? Which is kinda related but seems to be the opposite idk

I don’t know if he actually succeeded in this if that was the goal though lmao

I have some of his stories saved from that time but I might be missing some

[tough timber]

it's come up in different threads here that maybe Clancy's memory is kind of distorted/jumbled (not out of order per se just a little wonky) we could probably write visual differences off as another result of Clancy's head being messed up although that's kind of a lazy explanation for it lol

[olive plume]

YEAH i got it backwards

i knew he mentioned the word “standalone” but i misremembered

[teal compass]

I think the memory idea/just it generally being a mental world can explain away some of the long term changes like blurryface into trench into sai (although yeah a bit lazy like you said) but with the visual inconsistency between it and Clancy era as a whole or the inconsistencies present from certain shots in Paladin to other shots in Paladin that kinda falls apart imo

Even just single shot stuff like the crowd duplication making there be multiple Clancys in the bandito crowd feels off in a story that’s so heavily been debated to possibly contain multiple Clancys or one Clancy lol

[tame tendon]

I still believe it, and another reason, it’s exactly NINE months after the Paladin MV

Only 16 days and we’ll know

[olive plume]

would have been cool if it was an example of the citizens idolizing clancy and dressing up like him… but then you look deeper and we have multiple torchbearers and duplicate banditos too and then you’re like. oh that’s just a mistake they didn’t think was gonna be a big deal

[karmic lake]

ohhh ty i couldn’t remember why it was significant I just trusted my instincts

[silent cairn]

There's no new nodes to the TOP site yet, for what it's worth

I still keep an eye on them, in case new content is heading our way

[tame tendon]

It’s cause of Nico being at 3:20 and 3:22 in Clancy tour episode 2

[karmic lake]

Ty for the info

[wheat gorge]

i actually fully agree with that sentiment about Dema's design. I love the Paladin mv and how it looks but I do agree, that version of Dema is super weak. I'm much rather had seen a full scale version of the Dema we see snippets of in Overcompensate, but on the scale of NATN's Dema.

in my mind, Dema looks like it does in NATN/Overcomp, and Trench looks like it does in Jumpsuit, Levitate, and Paladin.

[bright tinsel]

I agree super strongly.

[wheat gorge]

agreed, I do hope that if we get double album, and with it we get more music videos, likely another trilogy to finish off the story, that they return to Iceland or find places with brutalist architecture for on-seen filming. NATN had this depth to it that Paladin can not replicate unless they get like a Marvel budget. I don't mind the cgi and I think they can really convey the size of Trench through it, so I'd say moving forward to aim for a blend.

hell, if Tyler or Mark is reading this, other places like Wales, Scotland, and Ireland have landscapes that would fit really well into Trench. And trust me, every 1 out of 5 colleges is built with brutalist architecture, its not too hard to find and get to.

[waxen meteor]

Some sort of combo situation doesn't seem out of the question especially given the bishops bf pattern appearances on the Latin America tour

This is veering totally into pure speculation/wild theories but imagine like new version of the bishop blurryface songs plus a couple new tracks to reach 11 songs total?

[teal compass]

The vessel anniversary marketing was also only about 2 and a half weeks, and most of that was just a few clips posted after the anniversary since they only announced it 3 days ahead of time, so I’m not sure the blurryface anniversary will really interfere with a follow up much. They would probably announce it around the time of the last Clancy tour show on the 14th, do something big on the 17th, and lightly market the presumable anniversary edition of the album for 2 weeks or so after before fully moving onto whatever’s next

I’d expect we get some indirect teasing for what’s next during the Europe leg through something like the fpe letters ending in another big drop like the torchbearer letter on the 14th, then a little gap for the anniversary, then after that actual marketing for a follow up and moving into potential singles

[tame tendon]

I’m thinking March 21 is the day for the next single, something huge has got to happen then

[tough timber]

I do feel like FBR might push them to do more for blurryface but idk

[teal compass]

Imo the fact we haven’t gotten any rumors or leaks of a single drop means we can be pretty sure nothing is coming music wise in the next month or two, we could get something like the red letters that teases a follow up but idk about actual music that soon

We’ve very consistently gotten single leaks for the last 3 eras as soon as they get shipped to radio which is normally done a few weeks early

[tame tendon]

So you think we need leaks to confirm another drop? Idk that doesn’t sound right

[teal compass]

I don’t think we necissarily need leaks to confirm a drop, like if the band posts about a release obviously it’s gonna happen either way- we just have gotten leaks for every drop for almost a decade now so the fact that nothings leaked would be very strange if something is dropping in less than 3 weeks

[tame tendon]

Every drop? Idk I don’t believe that

[olive plume]

we literally have

[teal compass]

Heathens leaked, trench leaked in full, the sai return was leaked and the album also leaked early, the Clancy singles were all leaked, the line leaked

Blurryface also leaked in full but that was debatably Tyler

[olive plume]

and even if all of that hadn’t leaked, we had notice ahead of time from music insiders not even directly tied to the band and just the alt music scene

[teal compass]

They’re normally great at keeping things under wraps in-label until the moment they actually send it off to radio where it immediately leaks without fail lol

[tame tendon]

Further proof that people have no goddamn patience

Damn leakers fr

[wheat gorge]

to add on to this, there's a good shot that during a Blurryface 10y anniversary stream, something cryptic will happen that could be set up for CUC25 and the potential double album. so if they end it with a cryptic loose end that will pick up with future lore/music, then that'll allow for "marketing" to start for said double album before they officially announce anything. that's their typical play, start teasing and being cryptic through any means outside of social media, get talk going as we transition into a new era, and then like a few weeks to a month later, kickstart new era. A double album wouldn't necessarily mean a whole new era, as it would still be tied to Clancy, but they may still treat the transition as such since there would be new music, new music videos, a new tour, and overall new marketing.

so I think it's definitely possible for them to announce a Blurryface 10y stream on May 14th, the day of the final tour show. then on the 17th, host the stream and release the anniversary edition for order. the stream ends cryptically, setting up lore. market the BF10y album for the rest of May while likely continuing cryptic lore stuff, possible for Clancy's 1 year anniversary. then come June, likely shift focus to release the Clancy Live Album, since tour will be over, BF10 will be out of the way, and they presumably would want to release that before moving on to potentially new music. and then after, late June to July, announce double album and transition into the second half of the Clancy Era, with release likely in October. that's my current prediction until the band announces what their next plans are

[wheat gorge]

another reason why I think June/July could be the time where they announce CUC25/the potential double album is because if they announce it in July, that could aim for an October release, just like with Trench. (teased with Dmaorg from April to May = possible new FPE Letters and BF10 cryptic stuff / official announcement of Trench and Jumpsuit/NATN release in July = announcement and first single drop in July / Trench release in October, 3 months later = CUC25/double album release in October, 3 months later)

this mirrors how the announcement and release for Clancy lined up with Blurryface, both announced early March (with Overcomp on Feb 29, the leap day, right before if not technically on March) and both released in mid-late May (originally for the same exact day)

Clancy is to Blurryface the way the double album could be to Trench

[sly hazel]

That would also work very well if some of the theories come true and the double album is much more to do with support systems and the banditos "saving" Clancy from his fate in the same way Trench was more about never being alone compared to BF's introspective vibes
Also would align with double album including a lot more yellow and black as apposed to the red priority of Clancy

[bright tinsel]

Something that bothers me is how the streets of Dema are now these brick roads with greenery growing between. It’s far less dystopian than the concrete brutalist hellscape shown in NaTN.

[teal compass]

Another thing that lightly bothers me in this vein is the fpe letters telling us dema has gardens that contain yellow flowers which citizens can apparently pick freely. One of Clancys first descriptions of trench when he escapes is that out there he sees colors he didn’t know existed and without green and yellow being those colors there isn’t really anything else in trench that would be new to him in that way

Also messes with the whole idea of Clancy bringing back a flower from each of his escapes as something to hold on to from trench and remind himself why he wants to escape

Again not really that big of a deal and doesn’t mess up the wider storyline but kinda a bummer after so long spent caring about minor details like this, which is generally how I feel about the Paladin stuff too- not the end of the world and doesn’t ruin the video, it’s certainly still pretty and climactic, but a little bit disappointing overall

Definitely something that 90% of people will never notice but it’s a bit unfortunate after so long spent building out the story with fans who do care about the finer details in mind

[graceful hill]

i mean, there are the flowers outside the cave

that could be somehow connected

[graceful hill]

you know, in hindsight, that was a dumb thing to say lol, flowers outside is not a garden inside

[left kite]

I think that doing it all CGI was probably actually a lot cheaper, and they did that because they're saving money or had already spent money on big production music videos in Iceland. That's part of why I didn't feel totally satisfied with Paladin at first, it was very cool but it did feel kind of cheap.

[open bluff]

Paladin music video felt cheap? Have we watched the same music video?

[raven lagoon]

You can tell it's all green screen so it feels cheap. Jumpsuit and NATN looks way better imo.

[waxen meteor]

I agree on this, it's been bugging me.

The one caveat I can think of is that at least jiritas flower is from the necropolis gardens. And the necropolis is the outer border of dema. So it's possible these flowers only grow on this border area and not within the city proper. Clancy may never have seen the necropolis

[rancid delta]

Live album coming out before the second half of clancy makes ZERO sense. Why would they drop a live album with only half the eras content?

Unless they plan on doing two of those as well, but I think that's unlikely

[teal compass]

On this topic I’d say the live album isnt supposed to be Clancy era in full, it’s just a live recording of part of the Clancy tour. For instance blurryface live only has 10 out of the 14 blurryface songs since that’s all that was on the setlist the night they recorded it. Clancy live will also be missing at the risk and snap back since those weren’t on the setlist. It’s not really about having 100% of the content of the era as much as it is having a released version of the tour available to listen to

Although I do personally agree the live album will probably come out after the follow up to Clancy, but more for timing reasons compared to the year long wait with previous live releases than them wanting to add stuff onto the live album

If they do significantly change up the setlist of future legs, or even rebrand the tour entirely like takeover/icy I could see them doing “inferno tour live” as an example with a night of that tour, but given we only got Blurryface live for the Blurryface tour and didn’t get anything for Emotional Roadshow which had a substantially different setlist that’s also a bit up in the air, although we don’t have precedent for how it would work with an entirely new slate of songs

[left kite]

There's lots of cgi, which is cool, but it's all filmed in a studio with a lot of copying and pasting texture and models or AI and it just doesn't look the best. It just didnt look like very expensive cgi

[wheat gorge]

the way I interpreted the text was different. Jirita says that she was "assigned to the Necropolis gardens" - meaning that these "gardens" exist inside the Necropolis. But we know there are no gardens there, because only the rows of Neon Gravestones are out there. I think "gardens" is a misnomer (a name for a thing that does not accurately describe what it is) as in, I think the four quarters we see the Neon Gravestones separated into are these "gardens"

Jirita's job is to tend to the garden of the Neon Gravestones, keep them clean and operational, perform rituals with them, clean up debris or whatever. This gives Jirita two things, freedom of movement/an open space to work in, and close proximity to the wall and the outside. This contrasts Kinton's job, which Jirita refers to as keeping him "against concrete" and likely unable to move or do much.

in regards to the yellow flower, I think there are two ways that Jirita can obtain it while maintaining the established lore and with this new understanding of her job. either A. Jirita being allowed to be so close to the wall has found an exit, and managed to pick the yellow flowers we see grow right outside of Dema (seen in Paladin) for Kinton. Kinton says that the flower is proof that Jirita "daydreams too" about the outside, and is literally proof that she has been out there, given that all yellow flowers have been been seen or taken from Trench. Or B. part of the job for people who tend to the Necropolis Gardens is to remove any weeds, plants, and yellow flowers that may grow through the dirt and concrete into the city. This is my personal favorite interpretation because of the symbolism behind Trench and these yellow flowers also literally trying to break into Dema, and that The Bishops have designated a job to citizens to help prevent that by removing any and all growth that breaks past the wall.

[graceful hill]

how would the bishops know there are flowers if they can't see yellow?

or at least they are yellow flowers

if thats even a crucial idea

[teal compass]

As a third possibility I did have the idea that the flowers could be a relatively new thing inside the walls and could be part of Clancys rebellion inspiring the citizens. He’s been bringing in seemingly dozens of flowers as his escapes and subsequent captures have happened and it would be interesting if as he grew into a legend in dema and was then imprisoned some other citizens sympathetic to his cause found the flowers and started growing more under the bishops noses from the seeds Clancy would have left behind.

You could even loosely tie that back to the idea of redecorate and Clancy not being able to go through his belongings before participating in the annual assemblage, Clancy’s room is probably still just sitting there untouched as he’s in solitary confinement for sai

[wheat gorge]

true, Kinton does say they can't see the color and just would see the flower as a "lifeless weed" so perhaps more devout citizens informed them of yellow flowers, and despite being unable to see them, The Bishops have ordered citizens to rid them when they see them, creating the job and why citizens have to do it.

[graceful hill]

oh i didnt realize that was in there, tbh i havent reread the letters since they came out, sorry lol

[wheat gorge]

you're good!

[graceful hill]

i'll have to go through and read them again now that they're complete

i was more invested in the overall message than anything when they were still going

[teal compass]

the way jirata talked about picking the flower specifically because shes felt compassion for kinton does make it seem to me that its not her normal duty to be picking those flowers and would be more based around growing something/maintaining the graves, although i guess its also possible shed refer to picking a flower for personal use in a different way than disposing of one

[wheat gorge]

i also like this idea! we're not sure what the environment of Dema was during the years of imprisonment and then the era of SAI for them, and given how real world revolutions work, and the incredibly quick rate in which Clancy's spread post-Overcompensate, I think there's a good argument to make that even before Clancy's escape and Keons' death, the citizens were already getting to a point of civil unrest. once Clancy gave them an opening and offered the catalyst, they were all ready to start a rebellion.

if so, perhaps during SAI citizens started rebelling in much smaller ways. Aria started painting and sharing them with Eliot. Leo started mapping out the underground catacombs. Fredrik started reading the contraband documents. Rayana started dancing. And others started collecting flowers and secretly growing them, trying to spread them through the Necropolis. this idea also works with mine, that those who tend the "gardens" are tasked to remove these flowers, in response to the rebellion planting them in secret.

[bright tinsel]

This brings up an interesting subject. There were on-location Iceland photographers credited for Clancy if I’m not mistaken…but meanwhile, all of the music videos for Clancy were filmed in Ohio (except for Paladin because the studio they shot it in was out of state IIRC). So is there more that we haven’t seen yet? Or is the Iceland stuff just related to The Outside?

Also, given that The Outside was filmed on-location, is the part with Clancy and Torchbearer pulling the boat ashore also filmed on-location? Or did they just sneakily slip back on their old outfits and film it somewhere in Ohio?

If the former, it means Tyler had this arc of the story planned out a LOT sooner than we might think.

[silent cairn]

I wonder where the initial Backslide MV was shot

[tame tendon]

I visited the store where they filmed the beginning of it and the cashier told me the best story about the day it was filmed

[silent cairn]

I meaning the Backslide MV that was going to be lore

Mark mentioned it

It was the MV that was redone

[silent cairn]

What story though? 👀

[tame tendon]

That Tyler was always going like “no one talk to me or take pictures” but Josh was much nicer

[karmic lake]

I feel like Tyler likes to mysterious and is introverted and I relate I’m such a home body lol

[silent cairn]

lol

yeah, that sounds about right

[tame tendon]

Yeah the cashier was really nice and showed me a picture from the day it was filmed, apparently they filmed the MV the day Next Semester was released

[silent cairn]

I never think it's cool to take photos of someone without their permission

[silent cairn]

that feels about right

[tame tendon]

Yeah

[wheat gorge]

I like to think that the photoshoot where they're like in the woods and by the lake and near that huge rock wall or cave were in Iceland, the ones where they're in their Overcompensate fits. so they're crediting those photographers, since the album cover likely was taken from one of those pictures

if those were in Iceland, then there's a chance they spent time their filming too

[teal compass]

Next semester was also shot in LA iirc, Andrew put out a call for volunteers in that area

Not that that really matters for your point though lol

[teal compass]

I think the forest shots are probably from the same forest as navigating since they wear those outfits there too, I’d agree those cave photos could be from Iceland but at the same time if they were doing everything else in the US I’m sure there’s many caves in California or Ohio that could have served as a backdrop and been pretty indistinguishable, feels strange if they flew out to Iceland just to get a couple pics that aren’t really important to the overall marketing of the album and did nothing else while they were out there

Forest shots could also be from the album cover shoot where they went out into the wilderness according to Ashley, which would probably be a similar Ohio forest or maybe LA considering where Ashley lives

Or the album cover shoot could have been at the same time as navigating ig who knows

[wheat gorge]

yeah, thats the most likely scenario. however, if photographers from iceland are credited, those are the shots that make the most sense to be set in Iceland. but I agree, why go to Iceland just for a few photos? well, if we're right about double album, then they'll be more content, more music videos, so if this whole thing is planned out, maybe they went to Iceland awhile back and filmed and shot a bunch of stuff there for the story. but idk, I'm spitballing blindly here

[olive plume]

it’s because all the videos for clancy part 2 were shot in iceland

[bright tinsel]

Best case scenario. But right now it just feels like cope.

[bright tinsel]

My thoughts as well.

[modern atlas]

Still gambling on a single 3/21 and a full album or EP release in June. Something has to happen on 3/21... right?

[tame tendon]

Yes I’m still keeping my fingers crossed. The panic grows stronger every day

[raven lagoon]

3/20: ‘’I am the Torchbearer’’ drops

[tame tendon]

Oh man I’m so scared for next week

[rancid delta]

3/21 would be a great time to drop but im not betting on it anymore, theyve been quiet. this month WOULD make sense if it was to release in may/june... but if it got pushed back for whatever reason it might not. we just wont know until its out, or they seem more active suddenly. even if it doesnt start this month, its bound to happen eventually

for all we know it could drop with no warning at all. that would be pretty cool actually.

[tame tendon]

I think we’ll have to wait until at least Monday for them to start teasing stuff and then a big announcement next Friday hopefully

[dark ermine]

I’m not even sure about a May/June album drop anymore lol

If there’s a drop in that period -unless it will be a shadow drop aka without any promotion, which is highly unlikely- then we should have a single in the coming months but why it should drop out of nowhere without any Dema website/letters buildup? Hell, we don’t even have the third backstage video which is delayed since half a year ago at this point lmao

[rancid delta]

Tbf, maybe those backstage videos are delayed because... you know... they're editing other things?

[dark ermine]

Possibly, but still a little chance imo.

[bright tinsel]

Tomorrow would be a great day to tease something. It's a blood moon, and Clancy's letters used to relate to moon phases. Also, tomorrow is a Thursday, and during the Clancy rollout they used to tease (and release) their singles on Thursdays.

A blood moon just fits the vibe of Clancy perfectly. We'll see if they take the opportunity to do something. I'm not counting on it at all, but it would be very clever.

[tame tendon]

Yeah and tomorrow is also 3/13 and with all the 13s rolling around in the shirts it’d make a lot of sense so fingers crossed

[bright tinsel]

Agreed. The 13 is also important because of the tracklist count and how it wasn't called a "full-length album".

Here's another crackpot theory. A single will be released on Thursday, March 27th.

Overcompensate - February 29th, 2024: 2 + 2 + 9 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 21

March 27th, 2025: 3 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 2 + 5 = 21

[tough timber]

there is a separate thread now for 1s/3s/13s https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1339343779240476745

the repetitions of 13 seem significant and i may clown around a little tomorrow
I'm not 100% convinced it means something is happening tomorrow but also there has to be a reason for the 13s 😅

[bright tinsel]

If tomorrow passes, and nothing happens, I will be sad.

If March passes, and nothing happens, the Final Chapter was either delayed or isn't happening at all.

[patent coral]

I've accepted that it would make sense to not hear anything official on Final Chapter until after the Europe leg. It's possible we get something before then but then it'll be a happy surprise.

If something does happen though I agree that tomorrow or the 21st seem the most likely

[bright tinsel]

If something happens this month, it likely means that the songs for Final Chapter are mostly (or completely) done.

If nothing happens this month, they don't have enough progress yet to show anything.

[patent coral]

Not necessarily but I guess that is possible they're still refining the music

[bright tinsel]

I'm telling you guys! I need another Overcompensate-esque teaser! I need something to match the way it felt hearing that industrial synth buildup and seeing Tyler do the jump-kick before the abrupt cut. Man, that was like the Trench buildup all over again. Comes out of nowhere and just blows you away.

[bright tinsel]

The way I see it, Tyler usually doesn't tease his work unless it's in a relatively completed state. Jumpsuit and Overcompensate got to drop as early as they did because Tyler used his time in the hiatus to create & finish a project before even teasing it. And that includes all the music video logistics, too.

Seeing Tyler in the Paladin outfit in that mirror selfie was really sus though. He doesn't wear that in any of the concerts. They had to have been working on something.

[patent coral]

IIRC when Jumpsuit and Nico dropped the rest of Trench hadn't been finalzied yet, and we know that for both BF and Clancy they were filming videos as singles were releasing

[bright tinsel]

That's fair to say.

[patent coral]

It's hard to draw patterns since they seem to do it different every rollout

[bright tinsel]

If anything, it would probably be best to look at Clancy's patterns for the rollout.

I remember seeing the Next Semester teaser and how hard it was to hear anything of the song and being like "what in the WORLD is this???"

[olive plume]

i saw people saying he wears that during the first few songs before he transitions to the white lore shirt but i’m not 100%

someone managed to find the venue he took the selfie in. i think it was the florida show

[tough timber]

oh the location of this photo turned out to be a concert venue so i think it is what he wears under the clancy jacket at the beginning 🥲

[bright tinsel]

It... it can't be!

I was rather certain that he wears a white tee underneath the Clancy jacket during the concerts.

Including the one I went to.

[tough timber]

4th photo
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE722HBucCk/?img_index=3&igsh=MTE4bzB5ajF2YmNscQ==

thekiacenter

memories you’ll only find backstage 📸

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and i do think they have more in store but considering Duluth, Orlando, Raleigh shows were essentially back to back to back i dont think they could have been recording anything when this photo was taken (at least nothing lore related)

[bright tinsel]

Dang, switching shirts between songs is a detail almost no one would notice. That's dedication right there.

[tough timber]

that change happens during ||the judge fan intro|| so he's gotta run down from ||the car radio teleportation trick|| and lose the black jacket + gray shirt and put on the white lore shirt

[bright tinsel]

I figured...that was the only spot that made sense to me.

[tough timber]

lol i have a chart i made somewhere of all the clothing changes

[tame tendon]

My money is on this now.
Tomorrow, March 13: Teasing ultimate chapter
March 21: Announcing ultimate chapter
June 13: Releasing ultimate chapter

[bright tinsel]

My thoughts are the same.

[teal compass]

Yeah trench wasn’t finalized until halfway through August

Sai is another one that wasn’t finalized until real late because they were still adding lyrics to the outside after they printed all the physical copies so the lyrics sheets are wrong

[tough timber]

lol wait i don't think i realized this

[teal compass]

Yeah Tyler tweeted about it at some point

I’ll look for it

He’s the type to work on his art and keep tweaking small details until the very last possible second lol

It was the whole “summer heat” segment that was added after they made the cds

[tough timber]

oh whoops i was literally looking through my cd booklet after you said that
i have had trench and sai cds nearby to reference for shirt stuff lol

[teal compass]

I believe he said a similar thing about at the risk and how they were deciding between a ton of different versions until the very last second

But generally Clancy was also being worked on until as late as possible but more focused on the videos this time so much that they had to delay the album lol

[high sundial]

they said that on the livestream right?

[teal compass]

Yeah I think that’s where it was mentioned

[high sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/live/rR3_slOc-1U?si=iaA0tYEAd7VA2TqY&t=5844

yep, 54 versions

[tough timber]

I'm still really curious about moving the album release from May 17 to May 24 so they could release the album with the music videos
bc paladin strait wasn't done and i feel like they probably knew it wasn't gonna be ready
not to mention the "early june" thing

[patent coral]

Yeahhh it is super interesting. It could be a coincidence but they delayed the album 9 years to the day that the BF twitter delayed the release of Stressed Out

What makes me feel like it isn'ta coincidence is the fact the the feeling of falling behind is a consistent lyircal theme in Clancy

Most likely just logistical reasons they delayed it but it's interesting nonetheless

[teal compass]

i tend to lean on logistical reasons just because of how genuinely heartbroken tyler seemed in his little apology video thing when they delayed it, if we didnt get that id think it might be for lore reasons but he seemed so sincerely disappointed in himself for letting the team and the fans down

[karmic lake]

I watched that recently and almost started crying, he was so genuinely sad

[bright tinsel]

No hate at all...BUT...hot take here...Clancy needed more time in the oven.

[tame tendon]

Clancy had too much time in the oven, literally, look at the cover

[bright tinsel]

LOL

[teal compass]

I think the music turned out pretty well but the surrounding stuff could have definitely been planned out more like the rollout and music videos, I mean Tyler himself even joked about them not doing any promo for the album because they were busy filming videos lol. A lot of the start of the era felt kinda half baked and I’d assume it’s because they wanted to hit the 9 year anniversary deadline so it sucks they rushed it out just to not even hit the goal date

[bright tinsel]

Overcompensate made the whole thing feel more...developed(?) than it actually was.

That song has like 30 different layers going on, insane drums, live pianos, all that jazz.

But then you have songs like Backslide, with muddy mixing, or Oldies Station, which feels rather empty instrumentally, or At The Risk of Feeling Dumb, which desperately needed another 30 seconds to go further with the final drop.

I also have a bone to pick with the autotune Tyler uses on some of these tracks. lol

[teal compass]

I think taking another 3-6 months to finish the videos and plan out some more lore during the rollout would have really put Clancy era up there with trench era in quality. A couple more passes in the studio on some of the songs wouldn’t hurt either, a lot of them had really cool ideas that don’t feel entirely fleshed out to their full potential

[bright tinsel]

Agreed. I don't know if this was meant to pander to our modern, brainrotted attention spans, but some of these songs are just too DARN short.

[teal compass]

The complete lack of interviews was also a bit of a bummer, there’s so much we only know about trench era because it got brought up in their press conferences or amas and it sucks to miss out on so much context

Like we’re a year in to the era and still haven’t had Tyler talk at all about the mask or stole

[bright tinsel]

Thank goodness BBC Radio 1 grabbed Tyler for that Overcompensate interview, otherwise we wouldn't know the meaing of that song either. lol

[bright tinsel]

Don't tell me Backslide wouldn't have sounded even more FIRE if it had a bridge. Or live drums, like what Josh plays in the concerts.

[tame tendon]

Well it’s pretty similar to SAI, every song except the closer is under 4 minutes

I myself don’t really have a problem with that. Clancy is my favorite TOP album after all

[bright tinsel]

It's my second favorite. Very close second to Trench.

And Trench has some lengthy songs, so I'm sure my bias is showing. BUT

[bright tinsel]

I just don't get why the songs were struggling to eek out certain minute marks when there was definitely more that could be done with them. Heck, I've seen a number of extended edits of Clancy songs - more than I've seen for any other TOP album. And some of these are genuine improvements conceptually, but it's not like we have stems to just make it a reality (for most songs, at least).

The album version of Overcompensate should have had the extended ethereal piano intro from the concerts. The final chapter of the story deserves that epic buildup.

[tame tendon]

Well then my hypothesis comes into play. Clancy’s songs were somewhat shortened in a way because there’s still more to be said in a possible part 2

[bright tinsel]

That's my hope. I think it would be silly for the ending of the storyline to be the 2nd shortest album in the discography.

After all, part of the reason why SAI's songs were so bite-sized at times was mass appeal.

[teal compass]

Yeah I think in the past part of what made their music so great was a lot of the songs had a ton of room to breathe and build out a vibe and change over the course of the song, scaled and icy having shorter simpler songs made sense because it was an intentionally scaled back simpler album but it does take away from some of the Clancy songs a bit in comparison to say trench or blurryface

Like the backslide synth only getting 10 seconds right at the end? Criminal

[bright tinsel]

Shorter songs are more radio friendly. But I wish TOP would just ignore that notion and make radio edits, like they used to do (Ode To Sleep and Chlorine both have concise radio edits). And yes there's an edit of Overcompensate but I've literally never heard that on the radio, nor is it necessary to shorten a song that doesn't even cross the 4 minute mark.

[tame tendon]

Ode to sleep has a radio edit? I never even heard of that

[bright tinsel]

Yeah, that sample chopping was some crazy work. Possibly the most creative part of the whole song, it deserved more of a spotlight.

[bright tinsel]

The quality is pretty bad, but here it is. https://youtu.be/ApT9vmAnhp4?si=-vVj4xEubswQM1UM

Again, an edit like this makes sense - Ode To Sleep vanilla is over 5 minutes long.

But never have I ever once thought to myself "Tyler should've really shortened this song".

It's not like this is Tame Impala where things are stretched out (no shade, I love Tame Impala).

[bright tinsel]

This is pretty much how I feel.

[tame tendon]

So true ode to sleep doesn’t drag not even one bit

[tame tendon]

CHAT I GOTTA CHANGE THIS THEORY SLIGHTLY

They could tease ultimate chapter on Monday March 17 instead of today cause that’ll be the tenth anniversary of Fairly Local

Like for the whole of next week leading up to the 21st could be teasers or smth

[modern atlas]

if it got pushed why would they keep the jumpsuit dots that flash 3/21??

[dark ermine]

Guys let’s be real, they aren’t gonna tease something before at least the Blurryface anniversary

[tame tendon]

March 17 is still an anniversary, of fairly local

Few proud emotional

[graceful hill]

That might be something given the end of paladin

[left kite]

Yeah, the 10 year anniversary of the official start of the story

[odd cargo]

hello clancy

[tame tendon]

Yeah exactly

[wheat gorge]

keeping hopes low for anything happening in march, although I am open to being proven wrong

[teal compass]

Yeah that’s where I’m at, doesn’t seem very likely to me that anything will happen very soon but nothing would make me happier than an album drop tomorrow lmao I’ll take new stuff as soon as possible

One of those times where I’d celebrate being wrong because it means we get new content sooner

[tame tendon]

I really hope the whole of next week is filled with teasers starting March 17 and ending March 21 with an announcement or smth

[karmic lake]

next week is also the three year anniversary of the outside music video

[wheat gorge]

i mean, i do wish they would just drop new things here and there - it doesn't need to be some huge reveal, i wish they used dmaorg more regularly, or even just started posting the FPE letters there one by one

i get really sick of these like super long droughts of story

[dark ermine]

I hope there’s something for the Fairly Local anniversary but again, imo the “problem” is that they’re still in a tour which is considered a flashback to the story and they always start to tease something in a timeframe where nothing is happening, like a bridge between two eras

[wheat gorge]

yeah, another reason why I think nothing is gonna happen this month, at least in terms of an announcement for new music, just because if they're doing a double album, that warrants to be it own half of the era, and they're not going to announce that while we're still clearly in the first half

imo, I think it would be smartest and simplest to announce a double album, and with it a new "half-era", after everything current is finished. so once tour is done, BF10 passes, the live album releases (that one could be flexible) which will likely be after tour - then we'll go into CUC25 and whatever that means for the rest of the era, especially if its new music

but i'm happy to be wrong in the next 3 to 7 to 17 days

[olive plume]

i’m of a similar mindset

i love to clown but i’m trying to temper my expectations and telling myself that they wouldn’t do anything substantial during a small break like this

and they must know we’re expecting something Big for blurryface so they might be gearing up for that instead of anything more with clancy

[wheat gorge]

agreed. nothing this month, euro/uk tour starts up (hopefully with new FPE letters) and then they'll do something special for BF10 possibly with some hints or set up for future lore. later in the year, we get CUC25 and hopefully its a double album, or something equally as good

[dark ermine]

Yep, more letters means new lore. We still don’t know anything about the phrase of the first set of letters.

[verbal fox]

i have a new song leak

[bright tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[teal compass]

Yeah gonna need more context here is this a joke 😭

[rancid delta]

really hope it is fake, i wouldnt want info to leak too early especially if the boys wanna take their time

[tame tendon]

Not believing it

[worldly steeple]

SAI was made due to needing a less dark album right during covid

the 2019 onwards album they talked abt was too dark for covid time

clancy isnt that dark

[teal compass]

Yeah from what they’ve said about Clancy it was made mostly in the year leading up to its release

Idk if that means they still have stuff in the vault to release for us or if they just scrapped everything from the original follow-up but I hope we get to hear it at some point

It was pretty surprising to me to hear they pretty much entirely started over with Clancy I was hoping to get some of those original ideas fully realized after so long but that also might not be how Tyler wants to create I can see him wanting to discard stuff after so long now that it doesn’t really reflect who he is anymore as a more well adjusted person with a family and good support system

It hasn’t been that long since making trench from an outside perspective, but I’m sure it feels like a lifetime for Tyler. Having kids is a full time job lol

[wheat gorge]

yeah, like the Tyler Joseph of today would not release something like Blurryface had those songs been made back then but never recorded, so I'm sure there are plenty of plenty of songs that have been vaulted solely because it just doesn't reflect either Tyler or Josh in the current day. I do hope that maybe we'll see them in some form one day, kinda like the demos they released with the LOC ARG

I'm also hopeful that we could see the "OG Clancy" songs (from before covid and the pivot to SAI and Clancy as they are in this timeline) in some form, ESPECIALLY if there are Trench-like songs in there that are tied into the lore. perhaps thats what Drag Path is, a song that was being created back in 2019-2020 for the originally planned "part 3" that got set aside when SAI as is took better shape.

tying this back into double album theory territory - I could see them having amassed a volume of "lore songs" that build off what Trench started (with tracks like Jumpsuit/Levitate, Morph, Neon Gravestones, Bandito, Leave The City) which explores topics inside the realm of the story more directly. these got pushed aside when SAI took a different direction due to covid, and Clancy followed in the wake of that, especially with the major changes happening to Tyler's life at the time. so Clancy as is was made because thats what they wanted to make, but there is still a story to be finished, so Overcompensate and Paladin Strait carry the weight of that, and these lore songs they may exist (evidence of their existence given to us through Drag Path) will finish it, possibly through a double album

[graceful hill]

yeah i remember him talking about like re recording stuff and he said that he wouldnt want to because its like a snapshot of where you were at that time

[bright tinsel]

Here's to hoping whatever comes next puts Josh in the spotlight, kinda like how Overcompensate did. I want live drum tracks with busy patterns and lots of fills.

[worldly steeple]

I pray whatever is next is alot more sonically dark

!!

[modern atlas]

Starting to think about it… it would make sense that the lore (assuming that blurry face is lore) musically starts and ends with Fairly Local…

[tame tendon]

And fairly local’s tenth anniversary is in 2 days

I am so hoping for TOP to acknowledge that date with a teaser to what we all think will happen, double album

[modern atlas]

aaaand

A tweet just like this on monday would be interesting

Something like “your album is called _____ available __ second leg in the Fall, new music video on Friday.”

But maybe that is just cope

[tame tendon]

That’d be some awesome shit I feel like next week is gonna go so hard

[modern atlas]

The problem is people are getting doubtful, which makes me doubtful… but it’s problematic that they have teased 321 so much if it doesn’t mean 3/21

[tame tendon]

Who’s getting doubtful?

[modern atlas]

this thread, I was just catching up on it

I feel like people forget that Paladin Strait ended with Fairly Local…

[tame tendon]

So what if they forgot? We didn’t forget, March 17 is on Monday, something’s coming very soon trust

[modern atlas]

It all connects to this week

[tame tendon]

Technically next week but yeah

[modern atlas]

Like the 3/1 theory had a little backing but everything supports something happening this week

it’s just a little odd that there has been radio silence leading up to it

[tame tendon]

This week starts with tenth anniversary of fairly local and ends with 3/21, they must break their radio silence in less than 48 hours

[modern atlas]

unless nothing happens this week

But fairly local was the first mention of Blurryface right?

So i feel like they ought to say something even if it’s not huge

[tame tendon]

I’ll tell you something if nothing happens from March 17 to March 21 that is when I will give up hope

[modern atlas]

in what?

[tame tendon]

Sorry wdym

[bright tinsel]

Same here….. 3/16 and 3/21 are both perfect setups even if for just a teaser. If nothing happens then, nothing will happen til this leg of the tour is done.

[waxen meteor]

3/16?

[waxen meteor]

playing devils advocate here, maybe another possibility for those credits is that they were consultants for the paladin strait CGI? (disclaimer i dont know anything about filming or cgi so no idea if this is actually something you might do)

[teal compass]

Yeah it’s possible they could have gotten someone in Iceland to take reference images that they then based paladin off of

Although idk if paladin really looks very much like anywhere in Iceland, it doesn’t look very similar to jumpsuit to me but I’m also by no means an expert on the different landscapes in Iceland lol

Definitely a possibility, if it never pops up again/the final chapter isn’t related to Iceland at all I’d probably assume that’s what it ended up being, some sort of reference photos or potentially a scrapped video idea that got cut when they decided to make 14 videos and their schedule couldn’t work out that kind of trip anymore

[wheat gorge]

photo referencing with Iceland would make sense. could also be some program where they scanned geography from Iceland to use as textures, like they use now in some video games

helps when building environments, such as landscaping. I know most of the set was physical, (mostly the ground and interactable sets) but they could have used scanned geography to help amplify texturing, or build backgrounds and/or a sky box (idk, i'm putting vg terms to a music video, i'm not sure of the overlap)

[dark ermine]

Look, at this point even a Blurryface tweet would be great. At least to aknowledge the story beginning.

[karmic lake]

10 years of the Blurryface album cycle starting with the fairly local music video

[bright tinsel]

That’s possible.

[arctic karma]

Imo Backslide is absolutely perfect, I love the gritty mix. Oldies Station has less going on instrumentally so that the listener focuses more on the main message of the song in the lyrics. It’s no secret that Oldies means a lot to Tyler. As for ATROFD honestly I think it’s perfect as-is. They almost tease the full drop in the first 2 I think it’s perfect

*Just my opinion feel free to disagree with me!

[arctic karma]

I do agree that Clancy sounds less developed than Trench and the rollout was not as big as we were expecting. Were they rushing to try and hit the BF 9th anniversary? I don’t think so. I believe that Tyler decided to record a MV for every song only a few weeks out from the original release date. Tbh I think Tyler got overambitious with wanting to do 13 music videos and that ended up hurting the release (and possibly sound) of the album

Either way though, I think it’s safe to say that the boys have all learned from what happened with the Clancy rollout, and hopefully whatever comes next gets an amazing rollout that makes us all hype af

I will also say that after having about 10 months with Clancy, to me personally it doesn’t hold a candle to Trench (then again Trench is widely considered their best and imo is one of the best albums of the past 10 years.) although Clancy does have a bunch of songs I enjoy listening to as much as any of their other songs

[dark ermine]

Well well, happy anniversary to the start of the Lore.

[olive plume]

it was yesterday 🫣 they uploaded it at like 11 p.m. ohio time so different time zones say it came out today

[dark ermine]

oh I thought it was today because everyone said it was on 3/17 haha

[karmic lake]

Yeah it’s real weird

[graceful hill]

I think the song released on streaming today tho right

[tame tendon]

Yeah

[bright tinsel]

Don’t get me wrong, I do love all of these songs. I just think that they deserved more time to breathe. Especially Backslide and ATRoFD. What you said about Oldies Station is fair, though.

[arctic karma]

I definitely agree some songs could have used more time in the oven tbh. ATROFD does feel a bit redundant when you get close to the end of the track. I have nothing to say abt Backslide (I fear I am terribly biased towards this song)

However, songs like Next Semester, Midwest Indigo and Vignette are HUGE standouts for me, and to me some of their best work. Imo we get varying levels of song complexity within Clancy, whereas in previous records (excluding SAI) the boys were taking WAY more risks with the songs they were making. Songs like Ode to Sleep, Polarize, Semi-Automatic, WDBWOTV are to me spectacular songs because of the risks that they take. I think maybe Tyler was trying to find the balance between risk-taking songs and safer songs on Clancy and he didn’t hit the balance just right

[bright tinsel]

I fully agree, especially with those standouts.

Also, I love Backslide.

[karmic pumice]

I second this, except for Backslide that I find excellent as it is

[karmic pumice]

I need something new on the lore please

One year cliffhanger is too much to handle 🥲

[arctic karma]

Samee honestly I love that the song doesn’t have a bridge, it’s short nd sweet and I adore it

[arctic karma]

yeaaaa looks like we’ll be waiting till after Clancy tour is finished

which honestly is totally fine by me

If there’s one thing we learned from the Clancy rollout it’s that rushing the release of smt so lore-heavy typically doesn’t go over well. Tbh I don’t rly care how long it takes, as long as the end result is as big and awesome as it deserves to be

[bright tinsel]

For At The Risk, I think it could've been far less redundant if they let the final drop go on for a bit longer. Let the rock elements of the song stand out a bit more.

[arctic karma]

I totally agree

One thing I really loved about the Clancy tour was how many “band” moments they have. My fav was definitely the Heathens intro

I wish they would have included more rock-esque/band moments on the record itself, maybe we’ll get more moments like that on the next record!

I also think the final drop on Snap Back is weird. It sounds like it’s building towards a MASSIVE drop then they just throw in the same instrumental as the choruses

[bright tinsel]

That's a great way of describing how I feel. The Heathens intro and the Stressed Out outro are both great examples of this. Speaking of the tour, Midwest Indigo and Overcompensate would've both been great with the extended intros they have in the concert.

I also really like certain drops, like the "to maybe Overcompensate" part where the instrumental cuts during the concerts. Or the bassline solo during "can't feel my legs, / I might suffocate," in Next Semester.

Joseph said he spent more time working on the stems for the tour than he did making the album itself - so it would logically follow that the concert versions of some songs are more developed.

But overall, what I'm getting at is - Clancy deserved more instrumental breakdowns. The boys have always been known for these, even since self-titled, but ESPECIALLY on Vessel and Trench. Epic buildups and emotional drops. But some Clancy songs feel like they're just going rushrushrush and trying to get to the end.

It's especially apparent here because of how amazing the instrumentals on this album are. I go and listen to them on their own very often just to appreciate how multi-layered the songs are. Including more instrumental breaks would have been great.

[arctic karma]

I completely agree with this

My favourite parts of Clancy Tour were a) the transitions between songs and b) how they changed up certain songs, like Shy Away and Stressed Out.

Something interesting, I remember watching a super old interview where Tyler said that he and Josh had created RAB for the sole purpose of having songs to play live and having something physical that fans can buy. Point being that their main focus has always been on the live shows from day one

In the past, we’ve had amazing albums followed by spectacular tours (BF to ERS, Trench to Bandito Tour) but this time definitely feels different. One of my favourite moments of past TOP shows was the talking break before starting WDBWOTV. That was one thing I felt was lacking from Clancy tour, however imo they made up for it with the amount of songs and the insane transitions and production value of the show. Beyond that, comparing the finished tracks on Clancy to the tour that brought them to life is nearly impossible. Every single track got the “live” treatment and I personally prefer a lot of those versions. The Next Semester intro, the Midwest Indigo intro, Josh going crazy on the drums during Backslide, Josh playing the keys as an intro for Paladin, the acoustic intro for Oldies Station. Would having added these things to the OG songs made them better? To some of us probably, and to some of us probably not

It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the seamless moments on Clancy tour that we all love took some time to fully develop. I highly encourage you to watch concert videos from their first few shows in the US, then go watch their more recent shows. There’s a definite change for the better

[graceful hill]

I've really been enjoying in their one off performances the way everything cuts out for the first welcome back to trench

[arctic karma]

sameee i honestly loved their NHL performance even though it was only 9 mins

That Overcompensate/HOTY crossover was heat

[graceful hill]

And similarly during the jingle ball during the first verse of OC during the maybe overcompensate parts where it would all cut out and have a heavily filtered voice say it

Especially for the second one where he sang as well, sounded epic

[graceful hill]

Dude that was revolutionary

[arctic karma]

Oh yeah they’ve absolutely been killing their live shows

I kinda see Clancy Tour as ERS 2.0

but with wayyy more songs and without the hamster ball (sadly)

that was another thing I noticed on Clancy tour, it was extremely fast-paced. There were only a few small moments throughout the show where Tyler would talk to the audience (The Judge, before starting Addict, Mulberry, Oldies and Trees are the only talking points I can remember and they were all short)

However I will say that to me Clancy tour was as perfect as it possibly could have been. If they had added more talking points they definitely would have had to cut a song or two for time, which they had already done with Slowtown

Honestly the common theme Im seeing here is that the boys rushed and were overambitious with Clancy, both the album and the tour. Yeah Tyler may have spent months on the setlist and the stems for the tour (his hard work definitely shows) but he clearly got too ambitious with the amount of songs he wanted to cram into 2 hours of stage time. We saw this with songs getting cut from the setlist like Slowtown, Fake You Out, Oldies and more. And we saw it on Clancy the album as well. To me there’s a very clear divide between the first and second halves of the record. All the songs up until The Craving I personally consider to be some of their best work. Midwest, Vignette and Backslide are 3 of my fav songs by them. Then on the second half you have songs like Lavish, Snap Back and ATROFD which are not bad songs by any means, they just don’t hit the same mark as tracks on the first half for me

Also I believe both Tyler and Josh said in an interview that they only had 2 days of stage rehearsals for the Clancy tour, again feeding into the rushing we’ve been seeing this album cycle

[graceful hill]

TWO DAYS??

[arctic karma]

yeah i’m pretty sure that’s what they said

actually i think it was in the first episode of the clancy tour series

i’m gonna find it hold on

[tame tendon]

It was in the Q101 interview where Tyler said him and Josh only need to rehearse for 2 days

[arctic karma]

ahhh thank you!

but yeah that’s insanely low

Obviously they practiced the songs on their own at home but only 2 days of stage rehearsals for a show that moves around the arena so much is crazy

[bright tinsel]

My answer to your question is: yes, definitely. The Backslide drums were a great callout by the way, I love Josh’s fills. Might as well mention how good Josh’s voice sounds in Paladin as well - I wish that was on the record.

[arctic karma]

Oh my god YES his voice is angelic

I wouldn’t be surprised if he did the lower harmonies on the “making my way towards you” part of the original song tbh

I am so unbelievably excited for the Clancy live album to drop

Not gonna lie when I got Clancy on vinyl I was a bit disappointed. Don’t get me wrong the artwork included is gorgeous and the notes they wrote are great, for me it was the overall sound of the album. When I listen to Trench on vinyl for example, the album almost sounds more alive, more vivid. It’s easier to pick out the smaller details. But I didn’t have the same experience with Clancy

Don’t get me wrong here the album sounds better on vinyl than on streaming (to me) but it’s just not as big of a difference as I’ve seen with past albums. Maybe it was the mixing, maybe I just got a wonky pressing

And hearing the Clancy songs live was true peak. Having Josh play the intro of Midwest Indigo, all of Next Semester, Paladin were absolutely GORGEOUS live

Honestly I really hope they release Clancy Live on streaming like they did for the SAI livestream concert. Personally I cannot listen to the album versions of Shy Away and Never Take It bc the live versions are so much more raw. SAI (and a bit of Clancy) are soo over polished and over compressed that it almost takes the life out of the song

Okay I’m gonna stop now bc I’m getting into nerdy audio territory😂

[teal compass]

I’m sure someone will rip the audio from the vinyl even if they don’t get a streaming release at least 🙏

There’s so much tøp content I wish would get an official release but local files work good enough I suppose

[bright tinsel]

It sort of sounds like it, but it's very hard to tell.

[bright tinsel]

Hmm, that's interesting. I thought that Clancy sounded far better on vinyl, just as Trench did. It's not like the vinyl necessarily "fixes" all of my issues with the compression - the master itself is compressed on purpose - but it made a lot of channels flair out a bit more and also does a LOT of justice for Tyler's vocals, especially the layered ones.

Basically to put it simply: Trench sounds perfect when listened to at highest possible quality. Clancy is 95% there, but there were many places it could've gotten brownie points that it didn't. And as for streaming: AVOID AT ALL COSTS. The quality suuuuuucks. But speaking of brownie points-

[bright tinsel]

The overpolishing is definitely an issue. I don't like how averse Tyler was to screaming on this record in particular. My first thought was that those kinds of vocals might be rough for his children to be hearing since he moved his studio from his basement to his first floor between Trench and SAI, but there actually are a decent amount of screaming vocals on Clancy. For example, there are screaming vocals hidden in Overcompensate (right before the tempo switch), Next Semester ("and then he slowed down"), and Backslide (during the chorus), Midwest Indigo (cloud coverage matched my outfit to a- RAHHHHH), Vignette (no-no, not me it's for a friend), and possibly even others. So recording these vocals clearly wasn't an issue. But for whatever gosh darned reason, they are SO hard to hear. Listening to the official stems of songs that we have, or the dolby atmos splits of the songs put me onto a lot of really good layers that were just tuned out for whatever weird reason. Clancy would've gotten lots of easy brownie points if Tyler just let himself rock out a bit more.

Speaking of rock/band elements, did you know?: Overcompensate, Midwest Indigo, Routines In The Night, and Vignette all have parts where Tyler is playing his electric guitar? Some of these are easier to hear than others. But again, Tyler had some strange aversion to going all out with the guitar this time as opposed to SAI, so the guitar gets buried in the mix. Even outright alt-rock songs like Navigating have overly muted guitar riffs that don't give Tyler's composing work the spotlight it deserves. Boosting those channels up just a little and lowering the vocals just a little would've done wonders.

[arctic karma]

I volunteer as tribute lmao

[arctic karma]

Oh absolutely Tyler’s vocals really come alive on the vinyl

[arctic karma]

idk if his kids hearing him recording screaming vocals was a concern. if Tyler had put his recording studio on the main floor of his house Im sure he would have ensured it’s properly soundproofed

plus who knows how much of Clancy was recorded at home vs at a professional studio

especially since Paul was such a big part of the album as producer I imagine they were going to his place quite often as well, or maybe all 3 of them were meeting at a studio somewhere idk

[bright tinsel]

That makes sense to me. I've just heard people claim that (probably without a basis).

[bright tinsel]

This all adds up.

Hopefully you can see what I mean with the instances of odd mixing choices on this album.

[arctic karma]

Oh yeah I definitely can

There honestly is a difference in the clarity of the mix of Clancy, especially when compared to albums like Trench and Blurryface

[tame tendon]

March 21 is tomorrow, anyone still holding out hope?

[bright tinsel]

There might be a teaser tomorrow.

[waxen meteor]

Have been counting the days 😅

But then nothing will happen (besides the day and night being of equal length 😂 ) and I will choose the next date to hope for

and also be confused at the more obvious 321 hints and what they actually mean, if it wasn't March 21st

Especially the tour video part 2 combined with capitalus ultimus (CU = 3.21)

I suppose it really could just be a nod to the length of stressed out idk

[olive plume]

i’m keeping my expectations low

[waxen meteor]

Or just random

[olive plume]

321 could just be a countdown reference, i guess? like we’re nearing the end??

[waxen meteor]

Yeah, it seems like too far to go for that but I could see it

[tough timber]

I'm trying not to hope for too much but I agree could be March 21 or could be a countdown reference

the way the tour video shows nico at 3:20 and 3:22 sort of gives the vibe that 3:21 is like a blink of the eyes but maybe that's my confirmation bias

[bright tinsel]

This is yet another perfect opportunity for the boys to make something happen. There have been a lot of hints too, and I like the connection with solar cycles.

I think it just depends on if they're ready/if they would be willing to tease something before tour has completely ended.

[tame tendon]

And exactly NINE months after Paladin strait MV, very suspicious

[karmic lake]

omg is it really?

[tame tendon]

Yeah from June 21 to March 21 is nine months

[karmic lake]

another thing pointing to tomorrow

[rancid delta]

If nothing happens tomorrow we're waiting until may basically

[arctic karma]

Those are my thoughts exactly. The boys have already been doing a lot of extra stuff during the tour with performances at Jimmy Fallon, Jingle Ball, Game Awards and the NHL performance. On top of that there’s still a lot of Clancy-era content we have yet to see, like episodes of the Clancy Tour doc and the Clancy live album. I’d be very surprised if they started announcing stuff for a new era before giving us all the promised content for Clancy era

[wheat gorge]

hoping for something tomorrow, but keeping those hopes low.

even if nothing happens, we've only got two and a half weeks until euro tour starts, and potentially new FPE letters

[arctic karma]

I think if we get anything tomorrow it would be ep.3 of Clancy Tour doc or maybe an announcement for Clancy live

[tame tendon]

Yeah even if they don’t hint at double album tomorrow either of these would be fine

[arctic karma]

Honestly I’ve desperately been waiting for the rest of Clancy Tour doc series I loved the first 2 episodes and I’m excited to see the coverage of my show lmao

[tame tendon]

Same I hope they include Tyler talking about NYC pizza in a Clancy tour episode

[arctic karma]

Haha that would be awesome

Imagine if we somehow managed to get BTS content for the Game Awards too

[tame tendon]

I’d doubt that mainly cause that wasn’t a Clancy tour show

[teal compass]

I could see it going either way, on one hand it’s not technically connected to the tour but on the other hand we do occasionally get unconnected shows in the tour series like the F1 Grand Prix show in the takeover tour series which wasn’t officially part of the tour

They could also just do a separate video about it like the Brazil tour doc

I’d keep my hopes low to see any specific show/city covered in the Clancy tour series though they normally skip most of the shows in their tour series

I think the South America series is the only one that covered them all and that’s because there were only 6 shows

Especially with such a huge backlog to get through now and more shows quickly approaching we might see even more shows skipped than normal

[tame tendon]

I’m lowkey starting to panic about March 21

It’s tomorrow will we get smth or not

[karmic lake]

👀

[bright tinsel]

Here’s another possible alternate: the next tour doc could continue teasing the possibility of a double album, or maybe even the live album will include some sort of puzzle for us to solve or hidden message.

[tame tendon]

And one more funny piece of “proof” March 21 means something. The last time TOP posted anything was February 28, on the pseudo one year anniversary of overcompensate and exactly 21 days before March 21

[tame tendon]

March 21 is finally here and I’m still panicking

[karmic lake]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-lmao-scared-gif-13668870255974652302

All of us today

[bright tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/innervizionz-twenty-one-pilots-next-semester-gif-1223867385165785634

What’s about to happen-WHAT’S ABOUT TO HAPPENNNN?!?!?!

[bright tinsel]

I’m relying on this channel to keep me posted since I’m at work most of the day.

[modern atlas]

Im scared, nothing has happened so far and so many things hinted at 3/21 which makes me sad

[modern atlas]

😅😅😅

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 11!

[bright tinsel]

The boys love posting around 12-4 EST. So that’s prime time right there

[tame tendon]

Alright only half an hour hopefully

[bright tinsel]

We might be cooked chat

[karmic lake]

I don’t think we’re officially cooked until midnight est

[rancid delta]

Smells like cope

[karmic lake]

maybe but idc lol /lh

[waxen meteor]

Its only 1pm est yall are quitters

[karmic lake]

exactly lol

[raven lagoon]

5 minutes trust

[rancid delta]

3pm est. Don't think it's happening today y'all, May it is

[modern atlas]

rip

maybe 6:38pm but don’t quote me on that

[bright tinsel]

My personal hope for today was the boys posting some sort of cryptic teaser. Like the picture of them that said “I CAN’T FIGHT THIS TIME NOW” shortly before the announcement of The Line.

A single dropping today felt way too sudden, too unrealistic, too gratifying.

But just something…anything…something to make us not feel crazy.

[indigo nacelle]

Honestly as disappointing as it may be, it makes total sense for them to wait until this tour is complete to release or announce anything big.

But how about a tour episode or something?

[bright tinsel]

The silence is deafening. I think they know what they’re doing to us…especially because the last time we heard from them was the anniversary of Overcompensate.

[indigo nacelle]

I firmly believe that they do not owe us content… except for the fact that they have said more is coming, ie. the tour episodes. The anticipation painful 😣

[bright tinsel]

I agree. We’re definitely not owed any “content”. But I do think we deserve a bit of clarity.

As in, either “this is the end guys, go home” or “this isn’t the end, but please be patient until [general timeframe]”.

[indigo nacelle]

That would certainly be nice… unfortunately I think there is method to the madness. And the silence is purposeful… it’s so hard to wait to find out why though

[tame tendon]

Do TOP like putting us through misery by teasing a date then not doing anything

[teal compass]

We are great at interpreting things from them as hints that aren’t actually genuine teases lol

It happens every couple months

During the hiatus there was one every week it was hell

Most recent one before this was 6/25, when you start looking for a series of numbers in everything they do it tends to pop up very often

[patent coral]

That’s facts, it’s a long standing tradition lmao

[teal compass]

Not getting the tour episode has been a bummer, I just keep trying to remind myself this means they most likely have mark working his ass off on a bunch of cool stuff coming up for the final chapter

The tour series videos have always been something he just gets around to when he has free time that get put off when he’s busy so he’s gotta be super busy on something right now

He’s probably also helping lindsay set up the europe fpes searching for old items they have in the vault, working on the live album, prepping for the blurryface anniversary, etc

(And possibly filming/editing music videos if we do get a double album👀 )

[tough timber]

yes the longer we go with no tour episode the more deluded i get about what they could possibly have mark working on that's not that lol

[modern atlas]

which week

this is what they’re doing instead 🤦‍♂️😅

[wheat gorge]

yeah i mean, presumably Mark is working on something else, something (objectively) more important than the tour doc because besides taking a well deserved vacation, what else would he be doing? it does make me think that they may have a bigger project in the works which required tour docs to be put on the back burner. that or they decided to not drop any more episodes and want to save all that footage for something else, either a bigger documentary or something similiar

[modern atlas]

this makes me sad, been looking forward to something today since January at least 😕

[waxen meteor]

Look at this way -- we may have been wrong, but it gave us something to look forward to and hope for in the meantime ☀️

[karmic lake]

maybe theyre gonna do something tomorrow, they didnt do it today bc we're expecting it /hj

[tame tendon]

Today was kind of a letdown

[olive plume]

this account monitors their likes (they have an old twitter app version that lets them still see the like counts)

twitter clikkies lying again for attention

i have the OP of that tweet already muted so they must have done something similar in the past or been annoying in other ways 🫣

[arctic karma]

Welp looks like nothing happened today

Honestly I’m not too mad, the more I thought about it the less sense it made for them to tease the next chapter before fully closing the book on Clancy. On the bright side, only 2 more months until BF 10th anniversary so now we have that to look forward to as well as tour restarting soon!

[modern atlas]

so genuine radio silence huh

[dark ermine]

Definitely they are waiting for the end of the tour (Tyler said even before the beginning that it’s a “flashback”, if this is not a teaser?) and the Blurryface 10th anniversary which obviously will have something like a Blurry tweet or something similar.

We waited almost a year guys, we are close to the ending of the first part of the Clancy Era, I can bet on that.

[arctic karma]

I’m crossing my fingers that we get the alternate version of Doubt as apart of BF 10

Idk how they’re gonna tie in the next chapter of the story with BF 10 but i’m super excited to see what they cook up

[teal compass]

I’m mostly expecting us to get some teasers like the fpe letters over the europe leg and then for the blurryface anniversary to be a separate promo thing, after it wraps up we’ll probably start transitioning into ultimus capitulus stuff (maybe after a little break over the summer for them to cool off after a huge tour)

[tame tendon]

At this point I feel like FPE letters is a guaranteed

[modern atlas]

I don’t think letters honestly but i think definitely some sort of lore at least at a few of the venues

[rancid delta]

are we back...?

[bright tinsel]

Question for Jeremy since he’s been following the nodes - does the quantity of them imply anything?

Currently, I’m thinking of possibilities:

A. more tour dates
B. Live album release (please give us something, anything)
C. New merch lineup - would be a bit random though timing wise?
D. ULTIMUS CAPITULUS - if the release window is still June, now is the time to start building up hype
E. BF10 - I doubt they would add anything for that this early

[karmic lake]

omg i had the thought maybe something would happen tommorrow bc 25, but i thought that was just major cope an i wasnt even believing in that

but all those different locked nodes added in rapid sucession

👀

[bright tinsel]

3/25…halfway to 6/25

Also, 3/27/2025 conveniently adds up to 21 but that’s probably just cope

[karmic lake]

...holy shit

[dark ermine]

what happened?

[blissful jetty]

I think the images from Tyler's shirts (bishops related) will show up on dmaorg soon

another puzzle maybe..

[modern atlas]

Is it normal for tyler to post other artists instagram posts or is this a new thing? I just started following him like a month ago

[indigo nacelle]

It’s rare but it’s happened before

[arctic karma]

2 days in a row Tyler posted artists

yesterday was Jon Bellion and today YungBlud

I know Jon Bellion opened for them during one of their earlier tours, have they worked with YungBlud before?

[teal temple]

tyler and dom are friends!

[arctic karma]

ahhh okok well there you go

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 5!

[arctic karma]

either he’s just proud of his friends or he’s taunting us, or maybe both

[teal compass]

paul meany also works with yungblug occasionally

[compact arrow]

ok

so i remember seeing something about BF10

but it would be released in like September

dk fs college is beating my ass rn

https://youtu.be/fZcIay6k7cw?si=LOHoxpT32UZbHnhv

Also

^

[bright tinsel]

Why that late?

[compact arrow]

I said the same thing

FBR bullshit

[bright tinsel]

If BF10 really is happening that late, it would narrow down the possibilities of what the current nodes are for.

[blissful jetty]

the nodes appeared on 3/25/25, 3+25+25=53, 53 days from march 25 will be may 17 - Blurryface 10th anniversary

[bright tinsel]

Iirc, the first node appeared on 3/24.

[blissful jetty]

on march 25 afaik

[olive plume]

jeremy posted about it in verified about 11 in the morning EST on the 24th #verified-theorists message

if we start adding irrelevant shit to the 25 theories then it’s going to start looking like even the more plausible evidence is a reach too

i still see that one update account has their tweet up about how people “found” 25 new nodes when that’s not remotely true (only 4 new ones were found), even when the person who originally posted about the discovery of the nodes on twitter deleted their tweet once they realized their mistake

and i guess a youtuber talked about the 25 nodes thing

it’s important to avoid spreading misinformation like this because it’s just gonna end up a big… mess of people trying to correct the record—and even when people Do correct the record, you have others push back against it and still believe they’re right because they would rather believe they’re “right” with the wrong evidence instead of they’re just straight up wrong

it’s better to talk about things we know to be true, such as the things tyler and josh (and crew) have said about more material coming. instead of… reciting tweets from accounts who don’t have an inkling of what’s going on most of the time and would rather steal content and be “first” to post about it than take the time to make sure what they’re about to post is even correct in the first place

but i digress

[compact arrow]

I get what you’re saying but have you seen this thread

It’s straight tweaking for over a year now

Some stuff is gonna be right some wrong

I don’t think a single person takes everything as true in this thread at least, we discuss, tweak out a little, and then wait to see if we are right or wrong.

[olive plume]

i’ve been here since day 1 😭

it’s just frustrating that the more batshit ones are gaining traction when we have Actual things that make sense 😔 but i guess that’s just the nature of social media

[bright tinsel]

Unfortunately, that Argentina video didn't really give any new insight on anything.

I was hoping that breaking the silence meant a new teaser of some sort, especially after the nodes, but I guess it's still a drought in terms of lore.

[karmic lake]

it did initially strike me as weird they posted those together and didnt spread them out a little, but then i thought it must have taken a long while to go over the loc camera fpe footage

the posting on (the closest they can get to) overcompensate anniversary and then the next post being a month later on the next semester is still making me 👀

[bright tinsel]

That’s fair.

[compact arrow]

I agree but at the end of the day it is a tweaker thread

[karmic lake]

Making the thread active again don’t mind me

[tame tendon]

Only 6 more days and it will be trust

[dark ermine]

I hate April’s fools

Let’s hope we get something similar this summer.
Or even this year, at this point

[karmic lake]

but where’s I’m not home? /nm /silly

[dark ermine]

I was thinking…we know something about the instrumental music in the background of the “I Am Clancy” video? It’s an unreleased song or what?

[olive plume]

i’m pretty sure the background music in that video was parts of ned’s cozy fireplace? and then the ending of the video teased Overcompensate

[dark ermine]

Yeah but even for ned’s cozy fireplace it was something new right? It could still be a sort of teaser of the unreleased music 👀

[wheat gorge]

honestly, for fake titles, these are pretty good (however they missed the 1 to 2 weird ones that immediately make us dismiss the whole leak even tho it's true)

[karmic lake]

I think in I am Clancy video it was lo fi the outside and then, as someone said above, teasing OC

[patent coral]

Honestly every real tracklist has had titles that seem like they could be fan made. Like Bounce Man, The Craving (Jennas Version), and Nico and the Niners all be sounding fake af

[wheat gorge]

yeah that's what I was thinking, the classing "Neon Gravestones" / "Pet Cheetah" / "Bounce Man"

[patent coral]

I feel like those first two go so hard though, like they're weird but intriguing

Unpopular opinion probably but Routines In The Night always sounded like a made up title to me

Like someone trying to parody a TOP song title

[wide jolt]

At the risk of feeling dumb and oldies station as well

[wheat gorge]

oh i agree, they go hard, but back before the full tracklist for Trench was announced, when those leaked, everybody clowned on them and immediately dismissed it

[patent coral]

Haha yeah I remember, Trench leaks had everyone second guessing

Pet Cheetah won't go

[wheat gorge]

peep my april fools dmaorg letter

[tame tendon]

Shit as if they would refer to each other as glorious bishop and honorable bishop

[graceful hill]

severed sounds like a metal song

Or rock

But like hard rock

[tame tendon]

Maybe

[cloud lynx]

i still believe in double album btw

even more after this
https://x.com/Tourclancy/status/1909220857810911615

clancy on tour ⊬ (@Tourclancy) on X

FPE LETTER

X · Apr 7, 2025, 12:24 PM

[tame tendon]

Fr this letter is finally post Paladin, meaning final chapter is upon us

[cloud lynx]

im a bit scared lmfao

🥹

i am all of those emojis at the same time right now

[dark ermine]

There is NO WAY they keep investing so much in different t-shirts and letters for all these shows. They are teasing something big.

[rancid delta]

"We destroyed them" in past tense

We are so back

[modern atlas]

why tf is it past tense

this don’t make no sense

[wraith gulch]

Because this letter occurs after Paladin is the implication

[modern atlas]

Okay but why does it say “we destroyed them so we didn’t become them” AND “we must do better” even though the message said “we must destroy them so we don’t become them and IF we become them we must do better”

why is he doing both, both not becoming them and doing better

Am i just tweaking

[teal compass]

could imply that they destroyed them with the goal to not become them but ended up in that position anyway? like they destroyed the bishops so they wouldnt become people perpetuating vialism and enforcing their will on others like them but ended up with a whole city of people who are now purposeless and have no idea what to do now so they have to become leaders for them anyway? and they have to tackle that better and less evily than the bishops

[high sundial]

that makes sense i think

[graceful hill]

Yeah iirc the original message was IF we become them we must do better

Hence the new tb letter

[lean mango]

I hate to say it, but I think I no longer think there's a chance we're getting a double album

I was feeling kinda iffy recently because there has been no hint of anything like that so far, and for something that substantial they'd probably do some kind of roll out similar to Clancy, and it's supposedly in May or June (later doesn't make much sense)

But I kind of think the letter today and its place in the concert really strongly points towards the theory that this really is just the final fight, Clancy is going to win and that will be it

(namely nox's theory that the FPE letters and concerts are in Clancy's head at that moment in the PS video, and now TB is starting to defeat Nico's influence in his head)

If that's the case, then I have to agree that there's just not enough left for a whole other album, maybe one more song at most

[tidal timber]

what do you think cuc25 would be then if no double album

[lean mango]

It would end us on 14, and as much as I'd be annoyed if they obsoleted every copy of Clancy so far by leaving off one song, it's their choice in the end and it's not like it hasn't been done before (fairly frequently) in the music industry recently

what's cuc25?

Oh yea lol

never seen it abbreviated

Probably was just a weirdly timed and misleading way to say Paladin Strait wouldn't be the end and the actual end comes in 2025

[tidal timber]

yea that makes sense but also idk i have copium

[tidal timber]

srry didnt feel like trying to spell it out lmao

[lean mango]

I've been biggest double album believer for most of this year

I still hope it'll happen

but I sadly reached the point of thinking it probably won't

[teal compass]

idk if we can really put any timeframe on when it makes sense to happen, like reasonably if they planned to tour by august/september we'd know by now so the fact they havent even hinted at a second leg seems to imply its gonna take longer than normal

hell in a normal top tour theyd have more shows in july

[tidal timber]

true

[lean mango]

I

oops

I'd agree with that, however, they've done almost everything last minute this tour

[teal compass]

so we could reasonably be looking at a rollout after the summer for a fall or winter release if they do want to do a double album, although ive always leaned more towards a deluxe or something like that

[lean mango]

I wouldn't be surprised if they do whatever Ultimus Capitulus is in May or June and announce another tour beginning September-ish then

[cloud lynx]

wdymmmm there's been tons of hints since the start of the era

[teal compass]

there have been a ton of hints that something is coming but we havent gotten anything really specifically saying itl be a double album, thats just been fan speculation

[cloud lynx]

and the lore just ending right there, like, boom, Clancy winning, the end™️, no song/music video, would be so anti climactic 😭

[wheat gorge]

regardless of double album or deluxe edition, I think the rollout would start in July. there's no way we're getting a US leg 2 let alone a leg 2 for international, they would have had to announce that months ago. so tour ends in May, June is their break, July for rollout of whatever CUC25 is, and if it's a double album, that probably means release in September or October, with second tour starting Oct/Nov

if CUC25 is a double album, or any form of new music, we still have time

[olive plume]

honestly wouldn’t even be upset if they don’t tour any more this year and just wait until next year—but we still get whatever CUC25 is this year (and possibly clancy live)

[cloud lynx]

i was thinking about that

the timing seems a bit short if they have to release smth and tour again directly after, so what if, they just wait until the end of the year, or even next year, to tour again (if they're releasing new music)

[wheat gorge]

yeah, I could see them hold off on touring again, I only say that because that's what they did for Trench. frankly, I wouldn't mind waiting till 2026. let them use the rest of the year to film music videos or create dmaorg content or whatever they wanna do, or just chill honestly

[modern atlas]

I disagree, then the entire ending is already spoiled. I think TBs letter hints at something more

[tame tendon]

But we still haven’t seen the final fight yet, and there are 21 more FPEs with most likely letters coming with every one

[modern atlas]

ikr starting off the FPEs with this letter was a bold move

[tame tendon]

It wasn’t what I expected but I’m thinking about it and it might be cool

[teal compass]

tbh idk if its ever really been super up for debate that clancy wins in the end? thats the only real ending that makes sense for the overall mental health metaphor because the only other real option is suicide or just continuing the cycle forever. Us knowing that clancy prevails doesnt really spoil much, the intrigue is more how clancy prevails

[cloud lynx]

whether it's a "deluxe" or a "double album" is just semantics honestly
a deluxe with a B-side could still be a "double album" in some ways
and vice-versa
i just don't think the difference rly matters, what we all mean by "double album" basically is, new music

[cloud lynx]

maybe deluxe implies more "extra" content, like remixes, instrumentals and stuff, but it can still include new songs

[wraith gulch]

I’m still a double album believer 🤷🏻‍♀️

[lean mango]

Eh, I disagree to some degree

Deluxe is usually an album with a few more songs at most, rarely anywhere near the length of a full second half. It's not unheard of but that's def not typically the implication of a deluxe

And I feel like being a double album believer is pretty different from the people who expect new music, but 1-2 new songs at most

[olive plume]

i think i’ve brought up blink-182 before in the double album convo, but their 2-parter album released 11 months apart and added 8 new songs

i can maybe see the pilots doing something similar, if they want this project to still be under the clancy title

[wraith gulch]

Same.

[brazen leaf]

WE ARE SO BACK!!!

[dark ermine]

Wait so you actually think it’s still coming this year right?

I'll be honest with you but I've always assumed that the end of the story would come after the tour, it makes absolutely no sense to release new promotional material for a record or even a single during the Clancy Tour. That there is more music coming? Absolutely yes, unless the story ends in the form of another medium like a book or something like that but I don't think it will happen. The question remains of "when?". For now I would say to wait for the tenth anniversary of Blurryface in a month, where we will see HOW it will be celebrated and WHAT will be shown. After that based on that we could do the various theories, but if we had to talk about timing I wouldn't rule out something for the anniversary of the release of the PS video.

[lean mango]

I don't see an album coming then, but maybe a song. However, I don't really expect them to overshadow Blurryface's (the album) 10th anniversary with Clancy stuff, so it'll probably be separate. Record labels are usually pretty strict about careful timing of things and not overlapping what they see as major promotional events with anything else

[dark ermine]

The point is that the lore of the Clancy Tour and the tenth anniversary of Blurryface seem to be totally connected to each other. If during the anniversary we will only have a livestream and things like that I don't think some spoilers about the future of the Clancy era are impossible. Obviously I think we still have to wait until at least June for new music, if not even after the summer from September onwards.

If even after the summer there will be nothing then I would agree that the double album, deluxe or whatever it is does not exist. But until then they are too busy with the tour and the anniversary of Blurryface (hell, even the live album as far as we know) to totally exclude the idea that the double album is a reality.

[odd cargo]

the "TB" at the end means new tb saga

[onyx dust]

sorry shirt nation, I'm quite late to the FPE, you'll get news from someone else

[wraith gulch]

Agreed

[quaint steppe]

Surely it can’t be a coincidence that the world tour ends the day before the Blurryface 10th anniversary. Perhaps we get a 10th anniversary livestream like with Vessel, and throughout there’s clues to stuff happening and maybe at the end there’s a tease (or release?) of a new song

[arctic karma]

I’m a MASSIVE double-album believer and honestly I think that was the plan from the start of the Clancy album cycle. However when I think about all the extra things the boys have been doing and all the stuff they still have yet to deliver to us, I start to doubt if it would even be possible for them to deliver another album (or even just a few songs) this calendar year

We’ve all seen it all through the Clancy era, almost everything has been very rushed, the best example being Tyler deciding to record MVs for every track, and consequentially pushing back the release of the album by a week

[wide jolt]

Blurryface anniversary is the 17th of may

[arctic karma]

Right now as for outstanding content there’s the Clancy Tour documentaries, the Clancy live album and the Clancy Tour film. Which we don’t have release dates for any of these projects yet

They’re on tour until May when they’ll celebrate BF 10, then they’re more than likely gonna do a festival run during the summer

Tbh I just don’t see how or when the boys would have time to make the songs, record them, run them by the label, then create a whole marketing plan for the release on top of all the Clancy-era content

I would absolutely love a double album of sorts and I think it would make a lot of sense given the way they’ve chosen to tell the end of the story. I just think that the boys have taken on too much and might not be able to deliver on a double album until much later

If we get a double album or any sort of new music this year it would likely be much later in the year probably around October/November

But tbh at that point they might just push it to 2026

[tame tendon]

Bro stop trusting Spotify the tenth anniversary is on the 17th not the 15th

[dark ermine]

People think that they have already recorded all the songs tbf

[arctic karma]

When would they have recorded them?

[tidal timber]

they havent been in the line up for any festivals this summer yet so that looks doubtful to me as well

[dark ermine]

In my opinion, everything depends on the plans they have for the second half of the year. There are no shows or festivals scheduled, Clancy's music videos have all already been released and I don't think they have any other promotional material on their hands.

At this point they could also take another kind of hiatus if the Clancy Era ends with the last European show and then with the anniversary of Blurryface.

[dark ermine]

I mean the point of a double album is to have too much material for one album and so to cut it in two halfs

[dark ermine]

There’s the Clancy Live Album but let’s be honest…it isn’t something SO big to advertise it so much, hell the SAI Livestream Album was almost shadow dropped out of nowhere

[left kite]

I still fully believe they had all this finished before they started working on Clancy

There's a lot of marketing material we still know they made that we haven't seen/hasn't been used, there's another whole album Tyler's been working on since Trench and has been hinting at it for years, and the marketing for this one feels very empty and rushed, and then the album ends on an obvious cliffhanger, and the album itself doesn't push the story forward almost at all.

[tidal timber]

see , i thought they had all this finished too, but when tyler was at the q101 thing he said it was still figuring out the end. so idk

[left kite]

He said visually, I think it's possible they still have a music video or two to shoot in Ukraine or Iceland

[arctic karma]

I think it’s possible Tyler revisited older songs from post-Trench/pre-covid to make the final chapter but I highly doubt it. Tyler has said many times that he likes to write from the present about things currently happening to him

[left kite]

They were already in Iceland tho, so idk

For Clancy I mean

So they probably already filmed those MV

[arctic karma]

Either way there’s no way they’re gonna release a new album before giving us all of the promised Clancy-era content, like the documentaries and live album

They were never in Iceland during the Clancy era

PS MV was shot on a sound stage

[tidal timber]

and someone saying they had plans until 2026 and beyond makes me think maybe a leg 2 of clancy this year (probably not , shouldve already been out about maybe not🤷🏽‍♀️) and if we get a double album, ep, more songs it will be next year

[arctic karma]

Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if they started teasing the next chapter in like October/November

and have the album drop in like February

[tidal timber]

i just have copium about ultimus capitlus being double album and it being this year lol

[arctic karma]

Sameeee

But honestly who knows what that’s gonna lead to tbh

I’d love for it to be a double album I just don’t see how they’re gonna give us all the promised Clancy-era content, plus BF 10 anniversary PLUS a new album and tour all in one year

Would be absolutely insane if they managed to pull that off though

[tidal timber]

i think this era might just be a little dragged out more than the others, because of how much theyre doing. so i can see this happening, maybe they promote the final battle/ cuc25/ give us lore this summer, have a leg 2 (copium) with different setlist/lore and then release beginning of 2026

[arctic karma]

I love that theory

I just don’t see how they would give us more lore without more music

Unless they do a dmaorg drop or smt like that

[tidal timber]

i mean we dont know what happens after paladin strait really so there could be some shit there

but yea i get that

[arctic karma]

Also something I wanna call attention to. When you get Clancy on vinyl you get a rly cool poster with the album lyrics on the back. All of the lyrics are included EXCEPT for the re-sampled Bandito lyrics at the beginning of OC, as well as the lyrics in PS after the bird interlude “On the ground are banditos…”

I find it super strange that the very first and very last lyrics of the album aren’t included on the lyric sheet

[arctic karma]

Honestly all we really know for certain is that there will be more music that helps to close out the lore in some way

Maybe they’ll drop music in tandem with drops on dmaorg kinda like what they did during the Trench album cycle

[tidal timber]

yea that would make sense

[arctic karma]

Okok wait I may have figured this out or maybe I’m going crazy

[tidal timber]

were all going crazy its ok

[arctic karma]

Tour ends in May. BF 10th anniversary livestream, with possible Blurryface tweet and a drop on dmaorg. Over the next couple months more drops on dmaorg that showcase the aftermath of PS, kinda like the Europe FPE letters. While this is going on on dmaorg the boys finish up the rest of the Clancy-era content, let’s say the live album is released in August/September. They use the live album to help promote the final chapter. Double album releases in November with a tour starting in February 2026

[tidal timber]

i like that

[arctic karma]

Personally I don’t think they’re gonna give us another massive puzzle to get to the end of the lore, they’ve already done that w the Bandito experience, the LOC ARG and the digital remains puzzle. I think atp they’re just gonna deliver everything to us, and maybe we’ll need to piece the exact timeline together

[arctic karma]

Man I hope I’m right😂

I think it’s a reasonable timeline. While Mark and other members of their team work on the Clancy content the boys can focus on recording and refining the final chapter

[tidal timber]

i hope one of us is right😂😂

[tidal timber]

knowing them theyll make it the hardest one yet

[arctic karma]

Honestly if they do I’ll be all for it

Imagine the BF 10th anniversary livestream is just another tv with different codes on it and it’s LOC ARG part 2😂

[tidal timber]

lmfaoooo i wouldnt even be surprised

[dark ermine]

It’s LITERALLY confirmed that this isn’t the ending.
The question is: a deluxe, EP, single, or album? And if it’s an album, it’s from this era making Clancy a Double Album or it’s an entire final era?

[tidal timber]

yea i was kinda saying it might take longer than some expect because he was still figure it out then. he could still be working on how to end it now. i mean, its been a decade of a huge story lining up, how do you really end it? you make a good point of if it will be a whole era, or part of clancy. that im not sure about at all

a whole era for it would be cool but idk how much they feel like doing that

[shell kite]

didnt they supposedly say that Clancy was the last album?

[dark ermine]

Mmh maybe they already have all the songs ready but Tyler is writing the ending of the story for the MVs? Who knows

[dark ermine]

Yeah he changed his mind lol

[shell kite]

lmao

i feel like if that’s still the case a double album would still count

as the same album

[dark ermine]

Exactly what I thought

[tidal timber]

yea

[shell kite]

i’m constantly going everywhere on the what the ending is going to be to this story

but idk- i feel like just a single would be like

underwhelming

[lean mango]

I agree

I feel like in a lot of ways they've set up for more

I wrote some pretty extensive stuff on why a single wouldn't make sense logistically, even if the story seems to point towards it

But nothing says it can't just be a single

I just think it would be underwhelming + annoying to have to get another copy of Clancy for one song

But I also think they've given us way too many hints that there will be new music in some form

[shell kite]

yeah

i def agree with you

personally i feel like they could maybe more officially tease music at the last clancy concert but that’s my purely baseless speculation

[compact arrow]

Jesus

We are still going 1+ year

LOL

[winged sapphire]

omg the op

[cloud lynx]

i honestly think they still could start a new roll out in May/June, even if they just do something very small

but it'll be BF's 10th anniversary, and recent stuff (not to spoil too much, but i'm especially talking about Tyler's new shirts) seems to be hinting at that, so maybe they have planned something to link this to the current lore in some way

[cloud lynx]

i feel like they're even transitioning into that already, clearly there's been a shift recently, with the new letters and everything that's going on

they tend to "tease" at the next era before the roll out officially starts, small hints, symbols, or cryptic stuff