Double Album Confirmed

[tame tendon]

I’m confused what additional songs are you talking about

[lean mango]

In an interview, the lighting director said they have 10-12 songs prepared to swap into the setlist

[tame tendon]

Oh, that’s interesting I wonder what they are

[stark fiber]

they'll probably start swapping songs for the Latam leg since Australia/NZ is only 4 shows

[tame tendon]

Yeah maybe

[karmic lake]

I’m guessing that was shap but where did he say that? /lh

[lean mango]

A magazine interview

I don't recall which exactly

[tough timber]

#1273759311264354467 message

link to photos of the magazine

[modern atlas]

I have some more support of the 3/21 theory...

During ||Jumpsuit they flash these lights in this order:||

[karmic lake]

Maybe they didn’t do something last night or add anything to the setlist because we all expected it and Tyler likes to keep us guessing

[modern atlas]

Since the first twoa nd last two are basically opposites of each other I'm going to assume they are the same, so we end up with a code something along the lines of 3818

Which doesn't mean much.. until you realize that the holes are actually part of the blurryface cover, which all have different numbers that mean different things

So 3818 becomes 3212... 3/21? What is the two then?

[indigo nacelle]

Well the thing about adding songs overseas is that we saw last night they don’t have all of their lighting equipment… I guess it’s possible they could bring it to Europe, but obviously they couldn’t get it to Oceania

[karmic lake]

Valid point, I also wonder if the no fire last night was a venue thing or an aus/NZ thing

I guess we’ll see for the next show

[indigo nacelle]

Yeah that was interesting, ||josh had the torch|| but no onstage pyro…

[karmic lake]

Maybe || the torch is a small fire || so that’s why it was ok?

[tame tendon]

That’s a good point it makes me believe it’s 3/21 a little more

[modern atlas]

👀👀

[karmic lake]

One of my friends did mention Aus/NZ is a dry country so they could have stricter fire regulations

[tame tendon]

So now we have the Nico thing in tour episode 2, potentially the length of the RITN concert video pointing to March 2025 and now this, I knew believing in 3/21 was the right choice

[indigo nacelle]

Also U C 25 = 21 3 25

[karmic lake]

omg

theres also no shows in march

at least according to their website(only saying this bc jingle ball isnt on there for december)

latam run ends on feb 24 in monterrey MX and europe starts on april 7 in hamburg germany

[tame tendon]

Yeah that one too

[brazen leaf]

australia/nz apparently dont allow indoor pyro displays

[karmic lake]

Ah I see

[lean mango]

Damn, this is some of the most compelling evidence for March 21st I've seen so far

They could have chosen any language besides Latin

And I always thought it was a bit random

[tame tendon]

It will be March 21 it has to be

[waxen meteor]

idk honestly its easy to find patterns you are already looking for -- ultimus capitalus and the nico jumpscare timestamp are the only things that are particularly storng imo

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added the ||jumpsuit|| lights pattern

im running low on characters its going otbe tragic when we get more evidence and i cant fit it in the msg

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a bit earlier in this thread we were talking about how releasing ep/album on the 10th anniversary of BF 'breaks the cycle' by breaking the cycle of '9s'

itsw interesting how if the prediction of march 21st single drop + bf 10 anniversary album/ep drop is right, then the march 21st release will be upholding the cycle since its 9 months after paladin strait, then the final 10th anniversary release will break it

[tame tendon]

Can you explain to me the cycle of nines please I don’t really get it

[lean mango]

It's just a number that recurs a lot, the nine bishops + towers, Clancy realizing that Dema wasn't his home in his 9th year, and I'm sure there are others

since it's the number of the bishops, it's associated with the cycle and everything keeping Clancy trapped

[tame tendon]

Well I know it recurs a lot in the lore I just thought it meant something having to do with the release dates of everything this era

[stark fiber]

Nico And The Niners is also the 9th track on Trench and was the 9th song they played on the first leg of the bandito tour

and Clancy was originally supposed to be released on the 9th anniversary of Blurryface

[reef sapphire]

Tbf there's a lot of songs they haven't done this time. No migraine sticks out like a sore thumb, I think they're counting the songs they don't always have time for like slowtown too

[modern atlas]

i’m pretty sure they do migraine?

[olive plume]

||yeah, it’s part of b-stage||

[stark fiber]

if i were to guess ||Slowtown, Fake You Out and Oldies|| seems like the songs they decide between considering ||Oldies|| wasnt played on opening night of tour, ||Slowtown|| was only played in 2 cities, and ||Fake You Out|| wasnt played in 1 US city and the Australia/NZ dates so far

[lean mango]

Every song they have played so far including ||Slowtown|| was considered to be already on the setlist and is not part of the 10-12 additional. They also said they have 32 on the list, which is the exact number with all three of the above. (The only exception is ||Hometown||)

[stark fiber]

are you counting the old song medley as individual songs? (just making sure)

[lean mango]

Yes

This also matches the first setlist we saw from night 1, and from what Tyler said, it's their goal to play them all if possible, he just usually doesn't get the ok for ||Slowtown||

Now it's possible that the Latin America leg will roll around and they'll swap out like 4-5 songs, we'll just have to see

[reef sapphire]

Oh, shit I forgot they do my bad, so used to it being its own thing

[modern atlas]

they will probably swap in ||the line||. Maybe for ||The Craving||?

[lean mango]

||I don't see them changing The Craving since it's so personal. I thought maybe cutting Mulberry Street, and to leave room for The Line after Paladin||

[arctic karma]

I don’t see them cutting Mulberry for a couple reasons. It has the flashlight trick which has become a staple of TØP shows, and it’s the transition song from B-stage back to main stage

Honestly after looking at the setlist the only songs I think they could remove would be My Blood, Navigating, TIMH, Fake You Out or Midwest Indigo. Although there’s a strong argument for all of those songs to remain on the setlist

[tame tendon]

DEFINITELY not Navigating cause that’s the song after the Dema transition they just can’t do anything besides that after the transition

[arctic karma]

Tbh this setlist is one of their best imo. Almost every song has some cool thing happening during it. Floor synth solo during Vignette, the “represent” moment during My Blood, the HOTY crowd stand to name a few

[arctic karma]

Very true I didn’t think about that

Tbh there’s also so many transitions between songs that must have taken a lot of work to do. Unless Tyler has transitions between other songs ready to go they might not change the setlist at all

[tame tendon]

I’m surprised they cut Fake You Out since it flows so flawlessly into Guns for Hands

[arctic karma]

They probably had to cut it for time if I had to guess

[lean mango]

afaik there's nothing in Mulberry besides the Josh teleport that means it would have to be that one specifically

I could see The Line replacing My Blood maybe

[wheat gorge]

i agree - i think if they were going to add or cut anything, it'd probably require a full reconfiguring of the setlist, or just a whole new setlist to begin with. I could see them adding The Line after Oldies (like where Slowtown would go) for maybe the final show (||since that'll be after the leaked release date of 11/22||)

as for the Latam and Euro shows, if there's gonna be any changes, I think it'll be a full on new setlist. Probably the same structure (Overcomp as opener, Judge for the fan singing, Next Semester to the b-stage/old songs, Mulberry to Navigating, and the Paladin-Jumpsuit-Midwest-Stressed-Trees finale) but everything could be gutted and switched out for other songs, including different old songs, adding The Line, adding Snap Back and ATROFD, and whatever else they want to throw in. TL;DR if they're gonna change the setlist, I think it's gonna have to be a nearly complete overhaul

[tame tendon]

Idk about complete overhaul but definitely some things will change for LATAM and Europe

[arctic karma]

Idk about a total change but I definitely think they could swap out some stuff

Like for example they could potentially swap Shy Away/Heathens/Next Semester for 3 other songs and have transitions between them

[lean mango]

If that's the plan, that could be the 10-12 songs accounted for

[arctic karma]

They also could just have extra songs ready to go in case something goes wrong

[lean mango]

I don't think that would explain 10-12 additional

maybe 1-2 extra for that purpose

but considering they already almost never play the full 32 in their current setlist, they have some leeway

[modern atlas]

They're definitely keeping ||TIMH and MI||. ||Fake You Out|| could go (since it already has), and so could ||My Blood|| since it seems like a filler song (with the ||skull and moon imagery||). My problem is, based on what I have heard, ||The Line|| is a slow sad song and they balance those songs out. So they would probably swap it with another slow/sad song, which would leave me to believe ||The Craving|| or ||Oldies Station|| but I pray it isn't the latter

I have never used the | character so mcuh in my life

[stark fiber]

as much as ||Mulberry Street|| is important with the ||flashlight thing|| i do think its really likely that song could end up being removed considering they did it during icy tour as well with that exact same song. they might wanna try something new

i could see The Line being a b stage song in replace of ||Mulberry Street|| tho

theres so many things from previous tours that were very inportant/had huge fan interactions that they just removed and replaced with a competition different song

Doubt for example. during ERS Tour Tyler had half of the crowd singing those "Dont forget about me no" background vocals at the end and the other half singing it a little bit behind them exactly how it is in the studio version. it was for like the first few shows of ERS, then Heathens got released during ERS and they removed Doubt, and added Heathens

the songs with transitions tho i feel like we can expect to stay. like

||HOTY / Vignette||
||The Craving / TIMH||
||Shy Away / Heathens / Next Semester||
||NATN / HDS||
||Midwest Indigo / Stressed Out||

actually thats a lie considering they removed ||Fake You Out|| so nvm

[modern atlas]

Not sure about ||Shy Away|| but everything else here makes sense

[modern atlas]

what was transitioned with that?

[stark fiber]

||Fake You Out|| transitioned into ||Guns For Hands||

[modern atlas]

I thought they went in opposite order. oops.

[stark fiber]

nah you're good lol. after the rap of ||Fake You Out|| the song started slowly speeding up to match the ||Guns For Hands|| tempo then ||Guns For Hands|| started playing

[waxen meteor]

i think they could shorten ||heathens and mulberry street||, continue cutting ||Fake you out||, and possibly cut 1-2 other songs the add in the line or atrofd. i dont think it'd be swapped into the same position as what is cut necessarily -- the line, imo, should really goo after ||paladins strait|| but maybe b stage, atrofd could fit a few places but probably in the second half (ie somewhere betwene ||navigating|| and ||paladin strait||)

if it were me id just cut ||heathens|| but i udnerstand they probably want to play it bc its popular

i dont dislike the song just feel like it could be cut

[stark fiber]

if anything they'd probably get rid of that ||"watch it" intro|| but obviously keep ||Heathens|| cause that intro is a bit long

[waxen meteor]

exactly the intro is kinda pointless now

it was teasing the line

[cloud lynx]

hey, genuine question, how was it teasing the line?

[graceful hill]

Yeah that's what I'm wondering too

It starts with the heathens progression

[waxen meteor]

I retract that statement bc I realize now the watch it intro is not new this tour

But for clarity my line of thinking was--

They do the bass riff plus watch it for like.. a long time.. and during this sequence where they tell the crowd to watch it, the line in the logo flickers

I still think that was teasing the line

But they'll keep the intro since apparently that's just part of the live song normally

[lean mango]

The line flickering happens later in the song too, in the bridge

[tame tendon]

There’s just no way the missing line on the merch truck was a mistake if it happens in the live shows too

[graceful hill]

it was on the drums too

[tame tendon]

I don’t remember that but I believe it

[lean mango]

Yea, my interpretation once we found out about The Line was that it's meant to tell us that "The Line is missing," meaning, it's missing from the album

We still don't know if they'll add it to Clancy, but that's what Imagine Dragons did with Enemy after the first season so there's def a precedent for it

[modern atlas]

||The Line does sound like a closing track tbh ||

[tame tendon]

Here’s my insane probably not gonna happen theory

When The Line releases what if it appears on Clancy as song 14

[lean mango]

It hasn't

it's officially out in New Zealand and not on Clancy

[soft anchor]

what about the deluxe/double album

[lean mango]

not sure what you mean

this doesn't really affect anything about that

if The Line does end up added to it, it'll likely be later

(it was somewhat later for the Imagine Dragons album too)

and for the Imagine Dragons 2nd part album, it came like 6 months later which is about when we expect a potential Clancy double album too, so still a long time to go before we have any definite info about that

[stark fiber]

i dont think The Line will be added to Clancy. Imagine Dragons is known for making adding a song to an album later and doing lots of promotion

tøp doesn't do that

The Line will prob be a standalone single like Heathens

[lean mango]

well, TOP has never done it before, but they've never had a good justifiable reason to do so

if the intent is indeed a double album, 25 songs total isn't a stretch, + we've had hints that Clancy is incomplete somehow, plus it's called The Line and we know how important symbolism is to the band

if they were to make a double album, this way would just add up nicely in so many ways

The Line connects the two halves

it also completes the 14 tracks of Clancy's first part to make it fit the number of previous albums

and lets us get 11 tracks to match all the 11 clues we've gotten, and still have 25 total, in 2025

as well as being something that exactly matches something another band has done with Arcane specifically

It's totally possible that this isn't how it will happen

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 28!

[lean mango]

but so many things line up to make it basically perfect if that's how they do it

[modern atlas]

I think this will happen

[modern atlas]

how??

can people in NZ stream it?

[lean mango]

Yes

Anywhere it's past midnight

[stark fiber]

i honestly just think its a stretch considering its for a tv show. its like saying Heathens is lore heavy which its not

[rain birch]

DOUBLE ALBUM CONFIRMED???

[tame tendon]

RIGHT?!?!

WE HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG NOW WHAT DO YOU NON BELIEVERS THINK

[stark fiber]

i don't think that really confirms a double album lol. Tyler and Paul has history of working together. they're literally both co producers on a Shania Twain song from 2023. they just like working together

[tame tendon]

We’re clearly not talking about that we mean THE LINE IS LITERALLY THE LINE IN THE LOGO

[stark fiber]

OHHHHH idk how i just noticed that 💀

[lean mango]

yea, this is so damn pointed lol

still could be nothing

[lean mango]

:)

[tough timber]

facecat i was about to ping you to come look at that lol

[cloud lynx]

yeah it's literally right there

but people keep insisting it's not lore related

[lean mango]

Technically still not confirmed but I think this is pretty strong evidence

But anyway we'll def know in the next few days

[patent coral]

Clancy is the red side and UC25 will be the blue side of the OG logo

This is THE LINE

[tame tendon]

I thought the left side was blue and the right was the red

[indigo nacelle]

I don’t get how the line being “the line” has anything to do with a double album

[tame tendon]

The line isn’t just between the logo. It’s the line between Clancy part 1 and Clancy part 2

[indigo nacelle]

Ah I see

[patent coral]

Yeah so it would be moving from right to left

[tame tendon]

What?

That makes no sense

[olive plume]

flashback?

[tame tendon]

Oh shit

[open bluff]

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD ON

[open bluff]

What do you mean?

[rancid delta]

Imagine this was building up to the line the entire time

[tame tendon]

It definitely was

[rancid delta]

The line between two projects

Also paladin strait itself confirms there's more. Not even because of the cliffhanger. The Paladin Strait is in between two places, Dema and Voldsoy. Clancy and whatever the next album is called

[tame tendon]

I don’t think it’ll be a whole new album I think it’ll be an extension of Clancy

Like Mercury acts 1 and 2

[rancid delta]

I doubt it tbh. They ain't calling it "Clancy 2" at least lol

A deluxe is something that just adds a few bonus tracks

[patent coral]

In before they just add 12 additional songs to Clancy and update the album art to something different

[rancid delta]

It's either a separate album that's still part of the Clancy era in general, or an EP

I can see it being a shorter album, like SAI length

[patent coral]

1 of the 12 being The Line

[rancid delta]

To be an album it has to be over 25 minutes, anything less than that is an EP

[patent coral]

And then adighrtsnd or whatever it was is an acronym for the other 11

adihgrtnsnd**

[tame tendon]

RIGHT! He didn’t post those letters for nothing I know that

[modern atlas]

IT was

[waxen meteor]

Paul confirmed what we've been saying #1213244361320439828 message

[modern atlas]

who is paul and what did he confirm?

[waxen meteor]

Paul Meany, he's the secret 4th pilot, does production since Trench

[modern atlas]

Oh yeah I know Paul Meany okay

How did he confirm something about the concert if he’s just a producer

[waxen meteor]

I meant that it verifies the theory about the missing line in the logo we've seen during the concerts and on the truck being The Line

However, someone in verified claims to have made the visual and Paul just reposted it which potentially changes my view somewhat, but still pretty convincing

[graceful hill]

whos the 3rd pilot?

[wraith gulch]

Mark

[graceful hill]

ah yeah

[waxen meteor]

idk if this has been previously discussed as related to a double album but its new to me-- the clancy album cover very directly references vessel and blurryface (the pose=vessel, blurryface is in the flames)

this leaves out Trench and SAI -- if those are referenced in the album cover for Clancy (which would make sense as those are the four albums considered part of the Clancy lore-verse as evidenced by which albums the tape appeared over), no one has figured that out.

so... second album cover includes visual references to the Trench and SAI album covers?

[lean mango]

Hm, that cover is fan made, that really makes me wonder if it's evidence at all

[lean mango]

As far as I know Vessel isn't considered part of the storyline. The only real connections are the title and some similar themes that have run through all the albums, but as far as I know, the ideas for the lore only began with Blurryface

[waxen meteor]

That's fair, I think the point still stands though because vessel did get red taped

And it seems they intentionally chose to include vessel and blurryface on the clancy cover, but not sai and Trench

(Or sai and Trench are very subtle and we just didn't find it yet)

[lean mango]

The pet cheetah is on there, not sure if that counts for Trench

But I think this idea is possible anyway

[graceful hill]

voldsoy does mean violence island, and migraine started playing during the outside mv

[lean mango]

That's true, but I think it's still just references rather than Vessel actually being the beginning of the storyline

[waxen meteor]

I didn't know about the cheetah, mind linking me to discussion on that? I tried searching reddit and couldn't find anything

[indigo nacelle]

I also thought Vessel was not specifically the start of the story, but during the q101 interview Tyler says something like “…this story has been going on since our first record, Vessel…” very bad paraphrasing, but yeah he straight up says it started with Vessel which is crazy?

[tough timber]

I'd have to find a snippet of that part again to hear the exact phrasing but i assumed he meant that they were discussing the story back then but hadn't decided how to tell it just yet?

[lean mango]

I can try to dig it up

[rancid delta]

we are so back

in fact, we were never gone

[lean mango]

Alright, this theory is for the double albumers cuz I feel like it'll be shut down elsewhere lol

Things we (seemingly) know about The Line for now:

-The music video is probably not lore related

-The distorted pad at the end of Paladin isn't in it

-It is in the same key as the Paladin distorted pad

-A lot of the lyrics are really on the nose with lore stuff for them to turn out to not be lore related at all. For example "past the point of no return" in Paladin -> "I thought I was fully prepared for the threshold in store" in The Line

[sly widget]

this isn’t even his final form

[lean mango]

and a bunch of other stuff just making way too much sense w/ lore if we read it from a perspective that Clancy rushed in and was not nearly as ready to face Nico as he thought he was

[arctic karma]

tbh The Line kinda sounds like a spiritual successor to Paladin. A lot of parallels between the two

I THINK I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

[lean mango]

-We also got two separate versions of a TOP song for the first time ever w/ The Craving, showing that separate album and single versions is something they would potentially do

-Enemy by Imagine Dragons was released for Arcane, then subsequently added to their most recent previous album

My conclusion, I think there's a very real possibility that they made two versions of the song: One to fit Arcane's sound and have an Arcane music video, and one to fit the lore and continue Clancy

[waxen meteor]

i think its worth adding the OC piano thing to this -- the end of The Line has piano that sounds A LOT like the beginning of OC

[sly widget]

this one could be iffy given that “Arcane & League of Legends Music” has song credits

[arctic karma]

I can totally see this happening tbh

[lean mango]

wym

[arctic karma]

Generally unlikely in the music industry but given TØP very possible

[lean mango]

yes, forgot this

[arctic karma]

they’re just credited as performers tho not writers

[waxen meteor]

we know tyler wrote the song tho, im not sure why the credits are like that

[lean mango]

if you're talking about them being credited as an artist on the song, that doesn't mean they helped write it, they just do that for organization purposes on streaming services and stores so it's easy to find all arcane/league of legends songs

[sly widget]

like twenty one pilots and Arcane/LoL are credited, meaning they (whoever runs LoL and the logistics of the show) could have rights to the song itself

[arctic karma]

could be just the rights to that specific version though

if there is another version out there

music copyright is very confusing😂

[sly widget]

fair, i just don’t know how far those rights extend for other versions, given one exists

fr lmfao

[arctic karma]

neither do i lmao

also i think i may have just figured something out

|-/

| = everything that happened before the end of Paladin

• = the song “The Line” which takes place entirely within Tyler/Clancy’s head
  / = Clancy part 2 or whatever they call it

the dot is supposed to be the line in the logo lmao

[lean mango]

Contracts can be negotiated on a case by case basis and can be really complex

it's def possible to negotiate something where they retain all the rights they'd need to do that

maybe they could even have a royalty split on the album version and still be allowed to include it

[lean mango]

ye, we've been theorizing about that

[arctic karma]

yeah i’ve seen a couple theories

[lean mango]

I just think it all makes a bit too much sense for it to be fully unrelated

[arctic karma]

after listening to The Line it makes more sense to me

bc if we’re taking the song within the context of the lore, I think the song would take place in Clancy’s mind

[arctic karma]

same there’s too many parallels

[lean mango]

the lyrical content just lines up too well with the lore, there's not really anything that doesn't fit, if it's interpreted as Clancy's control slipping during that moment in Paladin

and then the line separating the two halves of the logo

[arctic karma]

what if TØP planned on releasing The Line as a single between the 2 halves of Clancy, then Arcane came knocking and they changed the song a bit to fit the show, and then there’s a more fleshed out version of The Line on Clancy 2

[sly widget]

i definitely agree there’s some relation, just like Heathens was loosely related to Blurryface lore. and i still anticipate a direct follow-up to this album. too much lyrical parallels with that song and the Clancy saga

[dusty kiln]

no i know it feels like it ties in fr

[waxen meteor]

theres a digital remains image that had clancys head as the line lol

[lean mango]

Heathens sounds way less related than this, to me, personally

I think Heathens barely had any direct lore ties, just thematic ties

[arctic karma]

I agree

[lean mango]

maybe a bit about Banditos' distrust

[wraith gulch]

Ahh my people

[arctic karma]

I think The Line could actually be a stepping stone in the lore tho

[lean mango]

this, if it relates to the lore, is super on the nose for a very specific interpretation

[sly widget]

wasn’t this image in digital remains? or this is what you’re talking about lol

[lean mango]

which is that Clancy went in over his head and is going to lose

[waxen meteor]

no im talking about a DR image

[lean mango]

(for now)

[arctic karma]

We’ll find out with the mv. It probably won’t be directly tied to lore but hopefully there will be hints

[lean mango]

but that's the thing with my theory

[sly widget]

yeah i’m saying that image (minus the text) was in DR iirc

[lean mango]

if I'm right about a separate album version, we most likely won't find out with the MV

[waxen meteor]

oh it wasnt that image

[arctic karma]

true

[waxen meteor]

he was in th clancy outfit

[lean mango]

this MV seems almost entirely Arcane-related and they probably share info about an album version right away if it does exist

[arctic karma]

plus the mv is being released on LOL’s youtube page not TØP’s

[lean mango]

They need to give us some time to sit with the main one on Arcane's album, which their promo team would almost certainly have required

[arctic karma]

Definitely

[lean mango]

standard in the music business is separating major disconnected releases by at least 3 weeks to a month

[dusty kiln]

do we think theres an alternate version?

[wraith gulch]

I definitely feel like the lyrics fit thematically with Paladin/post-paladin. even if it doesn’t expressly progress the storyline I can see it being his internal battle, or maybe we get some real quick blip of something in the MV (like perhaps showing Tyler becoming a bishop/morphing, or showing him imprisoned in a tower etc) that would slightly progress our lore storyline without being an overtly lore song or video.

I do like your thought of perhaps there being two versions of the song facecat. Guess we will see.

[arctic karma]

We think there might be

[lean mango]

I see it as majorly progressing the storyline if it's tied to lore at all

because it probably fulfills the clues we've gotten about "where did the bishops come from?"

the whole "final form" thing sounds like he's going to become a bishop (temporarily/redeemably)

[wraith gulch]

That’s fair

[lean mango]

or at least some other way fall under Nico's total control

[rancid delta]

maybe he will become a new type of bishop?

clancy is a very unique individual

[arctic karma]

I could see Clancy becoming a bishop to take down DEMA from the inside, although I’m not too sure how that would fit into the mental health aspect of the lore

[rancid delta]

destroy and rebuild. sometimes to stay alive you gotta kill your mind.

[lean mango]

now, I previously was not at all sold on the "clancy becomes a bishop idea"

but that's partly because people were theorizing that as the ending

[wraith gulch]

I wasn’t either, until we got the full FPE letters

[waxen meteor]

general evidence for a 14th Clancy song:

• we know Paladin Strait isn't the final song on clancy, it's "the 13th song"
• many hints to 14 throughout the era and other albums besides SAI have 14 songs

The Line as the 14th song:

• the piano at end of The Line and beginning of OC blend into each other, creating a cycle (which future music/lore would break?!)
• The Line sounds like a 14th song, it fits very well with leave the city, goner, and redecorate, in a way paladin strait doesn't, mostly bc of the piano
• the lyrics of the line make sense as a continuation from the paladin strait mv, for example, 'i've never faced my fears before' (literally makes eye contact with blurryface), 'prepared for the threshold in store' (the threshold is confronting nico), conversely, in Paladin Strait, 'tracing out a line', also, both songs allude to the relationship btwn clancy and TB
• clancy as an album is red. the line is purple. purple flowers in the PS mv video hinted the next color is purple. also, if there is a double album or ep, it could be blue (which btw seems associated with josh during tour visuals), calling back to the red and blue of the original logo. with the purple line in between.

and if The Line is the 14th song on clancy, i feel it will have a separate album version:

• this version probably has rights owned by riot/arcane
• there are sound effects from the arcane enforcer's breathing masks which i dont feel they would put on a clancy album
• the sound effect tone at the end of PS music video is in the right key for The Line, but isn't in the arcane version of The Line

i also feel that if The Line is the 14th song, then there must be more music coming to 'break the cycle' created by The Line leading into Overcompensate. the final lore album can't end on a cycle.

[lean mango]

if instead it's an intermediate step to the ending, which is reversed at the end, I think it makes a lot of sense

[waxen meteor]

okay i went way overboard with that lol

[wraith gulch]

It’s well thought out

[lean mango]

and the pad in the Paladin MV that is in the right key for The Line but isn't in the version we have

[lean mango]

and yes, exactly

the FPE letters have given us so many hints about the bishop's origins especially towards the "climax" which emphasizes that as important somehow

and the final message was about "becoming them"

[wraith gulch]

Yup

[lean mango]

Something else occurred to me which I haven't seen anyone mention yet

[rancid delta]

this next album/ep is gonna be their darkest isnt it

[wraith gulch]

I’m really curious if we get more progression during the LATAM/Europe tours. Doesn’t look like there will be FPE but we still have the shirts and whatever else they can dream up.

[lean mango]

I've always felt like the story is incomplete because Clancy hasn't had a true darkest hour in the traditional sense. A moment when all hope seems lost and defeat seems certain

some people have said SAI is that but I don't think that counts, it's still kind of rising action leading to him gaining the ability to truly fight back for the first time

[waxen meteor]

for posterity noting that i edited this into the original comment bc i will probably be linking back to it (like the march 21 evidence) so want it to be comprehensive

[lean mango]

but we've never seen him fail to fight back when he actually has the possibility to truly fight, and I think that's important

[wraith gulch]

I think so, but maybe it’ll end the happiest with its resolution. Kind of flipping the usual feel of the tracklist on its head

[arctic karma]

was literally about to ask about SAI😂

[lean mango]

however, that's all stuff I've mentioned before, but what just occurred to me is

we also haven't seen Nico's true power yet

[arctic karma]

that’s very true

i don’t think we’ve seen Clancy’s full power yet either

[lean mango]

Up until now, he's kept Clancy under control, exercising a bit of his power to keep him from escaping

but he's always been shown as a mysterious figure operating mostly from the shadows

there have been a lot of hints that he's truly terrifying and much stronger than the others

[arctic karma]

the closest we’ve gotten to seeing the bishops’ full power is when they summon the Glorious Gone in the PS mv

[lean mango]

but a good story has to sell that to us and demonstrate it at least once

in fact most stories with a big villain like that have to put the hero through a moment where they seem so powerful that it's like the protagonists have no chance

which is usually what leads to the darkest hour

[arctic karma]

that’s an extremely good point

[lean mango]

usually this is not in the same confrontation as the final battle because they never appear as a credible threat if they don't defeat at least one serious attempt to take them down

[arctic karma]

maybe we see Clancy forcefully become a bishop, the people of DEMA help remind of him of his strength, he breaks free and takes DEMA down for good?

[lean mango]

(serious, meaning, with the ability to truly fight, not just evade the threat for a bit like before)

[arctic karma]

I think you have a really good point with the whole darkest hour thing

Maybe Clancy’s darkest hour is losing the person he’s been fighting alongside, TB?

We have seen a lot of things suggesting Torchbearer will get killed or sacrifice himself, and there’s been a LOT of blue lighting on Josh throughout Clancy tour

[lean mango]

I personally think TB is unlikely to die, at least permanently

well, it's possible

there's a lot of ways it could go

[arctic karma]

There really is

[rancid delta]

wait, TB was looking up at clancy in PS

maybe he takes clancys place for him??

[lean mango]

but I never really saw it as likely that TB is going to die for a couple of reasons

one, he's the other half of the duo and it'd be kinda silly if half the band doesn't make it out of this story alive

and two, I still think this story parallels the 2011 performance with the bishop fight

in which case, the general outline of the finale is that Clancy will be beaten by the bishops, and in the end, Torchbearer will come in to save him

in fact I think that was Tyler's first attempt to tell this story in a loose form

and from what I understand, the conclusion has been planned for years, that is, Torchbearer saving Clancy

that said, it is possible that that saving involves sacrificing himself

[rancid delta]

what if TB is already dead and hes just been a ghost the whole time

not just in clancys head but to everyone

[arctic karma]

I did a lot of work in Lighting Lore looking at visuals and lights from Clancy Tour, during almost every single song Josh has blue light on him at some point. My Blood starts and ends with a red spotlight on Tyler and a blue one on Josh. Throughout The Craving there’s yellow light on Tyler and blue light on Josh. During Overcompensate, when the lyrics “Josh Dun” are said, blue spotlights flash on Josh

[lean mango]

but especially back then I think TB was meant to be a Christ figure, so I think the message is that God/whatever people hold onto for hope is always there even when all hope seems lost

[arctic karma]

I think that would be too big of a fakeout for them to pull off tbh

[lean mango]

and that hope has to endure for that message to hit

[rancid delta]

i mean it would expalin how hes with clancy despite... also not during SAI

either that or he has powers too

[arctic karma]

That was already explained during the Clancy Sleepover Party

[rancid delta]

was it? i might be forgetting then

its late lol

[arctic karma]

After the debut of the Navigating MV, Tyler explains that the Torchbearer has “the ability to guide” which basically means he can project himself into any situation to guide someone to their destination

So lore-wise Clancy and Torchbearer split ways after Levitate then come back together in Navigating

[rancid delta]

kind of a weird power. a bit less straitforward than clancy's

[arctic karma]

definitely less straightforward, i think that’s why Tyler explained it outright

tbh tho i think it’s really cool power. i like its purpose in the lore and in my opinion it was a good twist

Going off of the media we’ve gotten from the Clancy tour I think there’s a strong possibility something severe is going to happen to Clancy or TB, or both. The most popular theories seem to be that Clancy becomes a bishop (either willfully or by force) and that TB will sacrifice himself for Clancy/the destruction of Dema. During this era we’ve gotten a ridiculous amount of headless imagery, for both Tyler and Josh. Mostly in concert photos uploaded to IG but also at the beginning of the RITN Concert Film, Tyler’s head is cut off. There are also tons of little hints in the lighting for the tour that add up to… something. Not to mention the interruptions during the fan video segment. Either way I think we’re in for a wild ride. Patiently waiting for March 21st and BF’s 10th anniversary

[waxen meteor]

headless imagery and a ton of desaturation

the store logo, the q101 video, honestly so much stuff i cant even name it all buts its gotten increasingly more frequent the further we go

[arctic karma]

ohhh yeah things are not looking good for the boys atm

[waxen meteor]

tour visuals also keep getting worse

[arctic karma]

true with the blood on the mask during Car Radio, and the vulture during Next Semester

[waxen meteor]

i think for those of us tuned into to everything its pretty clear that its leading up to something Not Good

[olive plume]

they will end up okay

[arctic karma]

oh they definitely will, there’s no way Tyler will end this story on a sad note

we’ve been through so much during this story. discovering the dmaorg site, decoding the Clancy letters, the LOC ARG, the whole SAI era and now Clancy. not to mention that a lot of us have quite literally grown up with this band, and that almost all of us have attached a deeper personal meaning to their music, and Tyler knows that. there’s no chance that he’ll let the story end in an unsatisfying way

[digital shadow]

alright chat what do we think https://youtu.be/WYqlSqgX2d8

double album??

the line transitions back into paladin strait which means the whole album plus the line is a loop (a cycle)

[arctic karma]

i hate to say it but it’s fake

for the first “transition” he just lined up the synth sound from the end of the PS mv with the first chord in The Line

[digital shadow]

wdym

[arctic karma]

and for the second one he did the same thing but he also sped up Overcompensate

[digital shadow]

hmm

[arctic karma]

you can see the audio files overlapping and Overcompensate is clearly faster and pitched up

[digital shadow]

well yeah i know that

[arctic karma]

oh wait nvm he slowed it down mb

but still that proves they don’t actually transition

if you have to alter one of the songs to make the transition work then clearly it wasn’t intentional

unfortunately 😦

[digital shadow]

its so close tho

[arctic karma]

it is quite close

we think there might be another version of The Line

that may be released on a Clancy part 2

[willow wharf]

So the double album theory is revived...

Full support

[arctic karma]

and maybe that one matches up more with the ending of Paladin

[digital shadow]

its not just me

[lean mango]

I think it would be added to Clancy part 1 (at least online) as the transitional point between the first and second part

like the line between the logo halves

[digital shadow]

ooh interesting

[arctic karma]

honestly that makes more sense, plus it would give Clancy 14 songs

and we already know Paladin isn’t the last song on Clancy bc of the whole “song 13” business

[willow wharf]

And the ending hinted at another song

Ending soundbit

[lean mango]

yep

which is in the correct key for The Line

the vid above illustrates that aspect well

[arctic karma]

it is indeed

the pieces are all there

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 3!

[willow wharf]

The line maybe is the glue between clancy part one and clancy part two

[arctic karma]

it almost makes too much sense

i think if they play The Line live it cements that it’s lore, at least for me

[willow wharf]

I have good writing trust

[willow wharf]

If they upload the line it's gonna be lore. And they already did that

[arctic karma]

wdym?

where did they upload it?

[willow wharf]

Spotify

They haven't uploading anything on there besides vessel commentary that wasn't lore

The joke is it's almost impossible for it not to be connected

[lean mango]

have y'all seen this?

https://x.com/arcaneshow/status/1859824170101768674

Arcane (@arcaneshow) on X

No looking back now.

"The Line" ft. @twentyonepilots from the #Arcane Season 2 soundtrack is out now: https://t.co/p633gotM49

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 5:00 AM

oop, the video didn't embed

it's a video

listen to the music in it 👀

ok now i'm confused

I found where the unmixed demo thing came from

it wasn't the leaker who said it

apparently ashnikko's song that was in Arcane had the unmixed demo used in the final episode rather than the final version

but I guess they often have slightly different versions of songs in the episodes so maybe this isn't significant

[waxen meteor]

what are you confused by?

if its the random sounds i figure thats just stuff from the episode?

is there something im not hearing

[arctic karma]

they definitely do edit songs for tv and movies all the time

[waxen meteor]

also what is this frame?

arcane animators never just do random filler frames 😭

oh maybe its an eye

added this point to the list

clancy as an album is red. the line is purple. purple flowers in the PS mv video hinted the next color is purple. also, if there is a double album or ep, it could be blue (which btw seems associated with josh during tour visuals), calling back to the red and blue of the original logo. with the purple line in between.

[arctic karma]

i was halfway through reading your message and got super excited at the idea of a purple era😂😂

but a blue era definitely makes more sense

[willow wharf]

Pretty sure Tyler said he never wants to do eps (ignore Johnny boy(

[waxen meteor]

johnny boy was an ep? wow

[arctic karma]

especially with how much blue lighting there is during the tour

[willow wharf]

There was a Johnny boy ep yea

[waxen meteor]

how long ago did he say that?

[arctic karma]

there was also the “3 Songs” ep

[willow wharf]

I want a purple theme era

[arctic karma]

SAME it would go so hard

[waxen meteor]

im just afraid of commitment 😭 also we never explained 'clancy seized for EP' from cozy fireplace

[arctic karma]

Plus purple goes well with red, blue and yellow

[arctic karma]

woah i’ve never heard about that before

Ned’s Cozy Fireplace took place in 2020 right?

[waxen meteor]

anagram

yeah

wait

no

[arctic karma]

what’s it an anagram for?

[willow wharf]

Idk it was a while ago but I don't remember the specific vid

[waxen meteor]

that was 2023

[arctic karma]

Oh damn

[lean mango]

There's other layers in the music too

it's def not just an edit, but more like an alternate mixdown

[willow wharf]

My fav color is purple so I probably would get so much merch from the era too

[waxen meteor]

neds cozy fireplace was just released last holiday season, the 1 year anniversary is in 2 days

ned's cozy fireplace is an anagram for 'clancy seized for EP'

[lean mango]

but considering they used Ashnikko's demo, it's probably just an alternate version that they thought fit better or something

[willow wharf]

I hope it isn't an ep because like

Less content

[waxen meteor]

facecat i envy your ears

[willow wharf]

How much is usually on eps?

[lean mango]

this makes a lot of sense

[lean mango]

an EP is generally considered 7 or fewer songs (sometimes 6 or fewer)

but generally 3-4 is more common

[willow wharf]

https://youtu.be/EGGdNFZ-92k?si=ILkNdJaIZf4UdmTj

[arctic karma]

i think a double album is more likely than an EP

[willow wharf]

So this size

[arctic karma]

especially with all the hints we’ve gotten with the numbers 25 and 11

if you count Clancy + The Line + 11 you get 25

[willow wharf]

So when would the double album be released?

After tour obv

[arctic karma]

the current theory seems to be March 21st unless I’m mistaken

[willow wharf]

I think it would be summer of next year tbh so they can make a second tour based around it

Unless it would fit into the second leg nam tour

Which is also speculation

[arctic karma]

as of right now the last date of Clancy Tour is May 14th, 2025 in London

[lean mango]

I think the general theory is that March 21st would be the first single, the full album would come out in June 2025 to align with the 6 25 hints

[arctic karma]

that makes a lot more sense

[lean mango]

also don't forget, Tyler said he by far prefers albums as a format to EPs or singles

[willow wharf]

Still waiting for on-album heathens

[lean mango]

also ye, that timing basically exactly corresponds with the length of Clancy's album cycle

[lean mango]

just listen to it when you listen to Trench :>

I made an alternate mixdown to sound more like Trench's style

[willow wharf]

It'll be on clancy live pretty sure

[willow wharf]

Do show?

[arctic karma]

Clancy live album is gonna go SO hard

[lean mango]

I'm wondering if I'm allowed to post in #creations

probably fine tbh

[willow wharf]

#music-creations

[lean mango]

oops, yep

I just mean since it's not much different than the real song, it could be considered piracy

but it is different

mods can remove if they think it's necessary

[willow wharf]

If we go by piracy then like

All of alexbequiets stuff is piracy

So I think ur good

[lean mango]

lol, fair

[bright tinsel]

I agree with you. During SAI, Clancy is completely under Nico’s control. He’s not able to achieve anything, but he also doesn’t suffer major losses. The battle is sort of at a standstill. With Clancy being hijacked and used as propaganda.

Also, I agree with TB being a Christ figure (he is literally a trinity and ALWAYS by Clancy’s side no matter what, even when he isn’t literally there).

Read the Christian poem Footprints in The Sand if you want more insight as to what I’m getting at.

[lean mango]

Ah, that's a classic lol

[waxen meteor]

regarding the album version theory #theories message

[lean mango]

Probably unrelated if there ever is an album version. From the snippet we have, the in-show version is basically a slightly different mixdown and balance

[bright tinsel]

Interesting.

“Tracing out a line, a route I’ve mapped a thousand times.”

The line is just a halfway point.

[karmic lake]

was looking back at the vessel anniversary stream, when tyler and mark move on from talking about intro to baking the first time, its exactly 25 minutes and then josh talks about it 25 seconds later, theres no way they could have planned that and its from 2023 so I highly doubt its related to clancy UC but it was such a weird coincidence i had to share it with yall

[dark ermine]

Do you think this is gonna be something even a bit related to the double album/deluxe bla bla bla?

[tame tendon]

I hope he gives us some kind of clue or the music video itself does, cause why is Tyler giving a special introduction for this video this has never been done before

[tame tendon]

And about the music video, there’s a shit ton of green screen over here, and I’m so curious where the video takes place if not the Arcane “ancestral plane” or whatever that was

[dark ermine]

Yeah idk, seems a bit weird…

[dark ermine]

I think it’s only that, with some clips of the series here and there

[tame tendon]

I personally do not want clips from the show in the music video cause you can just watch the show and the music video should be about the music

[olive plume]

it’s promoting the show though so it’s gonna have clips of the show

just like heathens had suicide squad clips

[dark ermine]

yeah but is’a promotional single for the show, so there’s gonna be some clips

[tame tendon]

Yeah some

[indigo nacelle]

I think it’s just going to be him like “it took this long to write this song and I’m so proud of it and it was so fun collaborating with Arcane hope you enjoy it blah blah”

[karmic lake]

But I’m still like: why does he have to say that before it premieres? I feel like they could just put it on their channel afterwards /nm

valid if that’s it but it just feels like they recorded it backstage at the last Australian show very last minute

[tame tendon]

But it didn’t take long to write it, it only took 3 days as the lady from Q101 said

It’s honestly crazy that Tyler took 3 years to write Bandito but only 3 days to write The Line

[tame tendon]

yo it might be purple album next

cuz like

the MV for the line has a lot of purple

so that might be teasing a possible second album

[karmic lake]

clique be like: tøp7 is either purple or orange

Tyler: yes

[tame tendon]

It doesn’t have purple it’s more dark blue like the cover for the soundtrack

[soft anchor]

it’s def purple and cyan 💯

the tour lights had a ton of purple and cyan lights

[lean mango]

I hope not

but I also don't think that's very likely

feels weird that he'd go out of his way to say something ahead of the vid like that if that's all it was

and on TOP's channel specifically

meaning it's a message for his fans and not everyone who watches it

[modern atlas]

people are saying since the line is blue/purple that the double album will be yellow/blue respectively and that the line is a transition color

[tame tendon]

Yellow? Oh now we’re really going back to Trench

[modern atlas]

sorry yellow is just my idea cause I want a Torchbearer album

but they’re the 3 primary colors, red blue and yellow, so might be interesting

[tame tendon]

Torchbearer album just makes no sense though, why would they do a spinoff story when the main one still needs to finish

[modern atlas]

sorry i’m forwarding so many old things. Just looking through some stuff

Isn’t it interesting that the word “backstab” came up? I’ve been thinking that the letters from DEMA kind of make me think that there is a spy in bandito camp

[modern atlas]

not a spin-off, just kind of showing his perspective and then connecting it to the main story to finish it off

[tame tendon]

Why does his perspective need to be explicitly told though, he’s a guide

[dusty kiln]

me jumpscare

[modern atlas]

did i just ping you im sorry

[dusty kiln]

NO UR GOOD LMFAO

I LOOKED AT THE RIGHT TIME

[modern atlas]

ohh okay 😅

[dusty kiln]

it made mr laugh

me

[indigo nacelle]

This is true… I didn’t realize the video premiere was on a different channel

[olive plume]

and the video is supposed to redirect to the music video premiere too

somehow

[teal compass]

My only thought is that since they’ve made keeping us in the dark a big part of this era and haven’t really been talking to us at all or doing interviews they could be doing these release chat things like the Clancy release stream as a way to still engage with the fanbase while they’re being all mysterious and distant

[karmic lake]

That makes a lot of sense

Tyler not wanting to answer but still wants to connect with the international fanbase outside of shows

I still find it odd there was no Zane Lowe interview this era

[modern atlas]

The reason it was so last minute is probably because they had to get approval to do it. Probably some exclusive youtube thnig

[modern atlas]

Probably so they only disclose what they want to disclose 👀 That's also probably why the Q101 took so long to release

[waxen meteor]

i dunno if i agree with the idea that this intro thing is last minute

i think the timing of the announcement tracks with their timing on pretty much everything this era

announced with at most 48 hours and sometimes never even announced and it just happens lol

[olive plume]

let me try this forwarding feature

interesting

[waxen meteor]

oooo

[olive plume]

i also don’t think it’s last minute, based on this post from mark

fooling around with new tech means the message was intentional and they did plan this

[waxen meteor]

huh, im reeling now bc i am pretty sure this jacket matches an unsolved shirt image.

so why did tyler pack that jacket for australia tour???

[olive plume]

makes me think they waited until the last show because tyler was going to say something about this being something to… carry us over the line () until the next few shows

[waxen meteor]

im confused are you saying they filmed it last minute (since thats kinda confirmed by this post) but had planned to filmed it far in advance?

[olive plume]

and they must have tested it out beforehand to make sure something like this actually works for them to put as much trust into this tech to handle all this while they’re flying home

i mean, i’m sure they can pay for in-flight wifi but

[waxen meteor]

are they actually flying during the line mv premiere?

[olive plume]

yeah! i think the intention was always to share a message with us before the video premiere but they waited until the last show to film it, possibly for symbolic/sentimental reasons

mark’s post made it seem like they’ll be flying when it premieres. or at least he will be

[waxen meteor]

i think im leaning towards that or at least that they had planned SOMETHING bc that jacket -- it seems that that jacket was used in some unreleased photo shoot for an unknown mv (possibly the line possibly something else) bc it appears on the shirts. there'd be no reason to pack it for australia if you didnt think you needed it for something

[karmic lake]

if they did always plan this and they wanted to film it at the last clancy show of the year maybe theres some significance to that? whether it be lore or symbolic/sentimental like you said

bc if they were gonna film something to air before the music video, why not just film it when filming the music video

i agree with jade about why would you pack a specific jacket with you and take to the other side of the world unless you needed it for something

[olive plume]

tyler could only pack a few things and he chose the lore shirts, this jacket, and the buss farms hat

[karmic lake]

exactly

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 3!

[karmic lake]

why did he need that jacket?

i guess we're gonna find out tomorrow

[olive plume]

and we’re assuming that this isn’t the jumpsuit jacket with the collar detached? i thought it was removable?

[karmic lake]

im not sure, i didnt know you could remove the collar

i was spoiler free for most of the us leg im still trying to catch up lol

[olive plume]

you’re good!

i was trying to find some pics but this is the closest post i can find referencing the coat #1273759311264354467 message

[karmic lake]

interesting

[olive plume]

i thought there was something else though

[tough timber]

in reference to flying while the line debuts I'm pretty sure it would take 20 hours minimum to get from sydney to columbus, likely more bc i doubt there are direct flights

so if they're leaving today then they definitely won't be back by 10 EST

[indigo nacelle]

i'm sure its the jumpsuit trenchcoat

[karmic lake]

yeah if they left right now they would get back at 4:00 am est tuesday morning

[waxen meteor]

lol now im envisioning tyler casually walking around touristy spots in australia with the fam wearing the tour lore shirt, this heavy trench coat (in the middle of australian summer), and the buss farms hat

😂 beach day wearing a trench coat

[waxen meteor]

i didnt think it matches but could be wrong

also noting that regarding the tour clothing, tyler does have slightly different version of everything

like when stuff is in the wash or whatever they didnt just make duplicates for some reason

for example there at least 2 and maybe more clancy jackets

so its possible there could be multiple jumpsuit jackets

the exact jacket he wears to at least one of the shows was identified but i cant think of what search term to use to find the post again T.T

what i remember is that there was another known singer in the audience who liked it so much they bought the jacket

poppy maybe???

alright here it is, don't feel like finding the jacket tho https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1golxum/the_other_day_poppy_wore_the_same_coat_that_tyler/

i lied here is the jacket https://clothbase.com/items/b9a97049_ottolinger-black-belted-denim-trench-coat_ottolinger

the collar is detachable

[indigo nacelle]

Wow you found it! That coat is sick. Yeah I think he’s wearing it with the collar down, but he buckles it up on stage

[olive plume]

YES POPPY i remembered another musician wore it and we discovered it could be worn different ways from how she styled it but i couldn’t for the life of me remember who it was

[indigo nacelle]

Aw I remember Poppy, I didn’t know she’s a singer now…

[waxen meteor]

what was she before...? 😲

has no idea she was a youtuber before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_(singer) wow

glad she seems to be doing good nowadays

[indigo nacelle]

She was a performance artist, not just any old YouTuber, I thought she was hilarious

[tough timber]

thankfully he has laura to dress him 💀

[dark ermine]

I don’t know if it’s been added since this message, but also the second backstage tour video was UPLOADED at 3:21!

[tame tendon]

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Yep, another hint for March 21

[rain birch]

does any1 talk about this????? https://youtu.be/NHPTBT54aR8?si=kf7n89sGrp4b3XUs

[tame tendon]

I mean everyone kinda already knew that Tyler said the end is still yet to come in the Q101 interview so this isn’t new news

[arctic karma]

Yo random question is Ruby on Spotify for anyone else?

[tame tendon]

I don’t use Spotify and I don’t care to

[lean mango]

yep, showing up for everyone

[digital shadow]

do you have a screenshot? it’s gone for me

[arctic karma]

If you search for it on Spotify you can find it but if you go on their discography it’s not there

[digital shadow]

i don't see it either way

[arctic karma]

hmmm weird

if you search for the album it doesn’t pop up you gotta search for the song

[digital shadow]

interesting

yep i just dont see it

[arctic karma]

very interesting

that’s really weird

[digital shadow]

what country are you in if i may ask?

yeah

[arctic karma]

i’m in Canada east coast

[digital shadow]

thats so cursed

[digital shadow]

maybe thats why

[arctic karma]

ahhh where are you if I may ask?

[digital shadow]

US west coast

[digital shadow]

wait if i click on the link to it, it opens for me on spotify

[arctic karma]

okay!!

that’s also how i first found it lmao a fan acc posted it on their story

[digital shadow]

ah ok

[brazen leaf]

Double album truther where you at

we're still standing strong

[cedar yacht]

Sitting patiently for the right moment to scream

[odd cargo]

holy

god bless twenty one pilots

i'm so balling

[open bluff]

This thing confuses me so much

Surely the band would've said something if they didn't post it right?

[odd cargo]

probably

it's on loop rn tho

[dusty kiln]

its not official unfortunately

[open bluff]

Why is it not?

[dusty kiln]

because someone else uploaded it and it just automatically got attached to theirs

see

two jp uploaded it but spotify attached it to theirs

[arctic karma]

Where did you find that?

Imo if the band didn’t want Ruby on streaming services they would’ve taken it down already

I don’t see a way they’re unaware of it. They must have put it up for a reason

One weird thing I’m noticing is that the RAB album cover is OG but when you go to play Ruby it shows a different version of the album cover with an arrow on the right side

[modern atlas]

TOP can't just pull a song off spotify

[arctic karma]

If it’s their IP that someone else uploaded they definitely can

[dusty kiln]

theyre on a 24hr i think flight from aus they cant just. take itndown

[karmic lake]

if they were on a twenty hour flight when the line premiered then they should have landed by now

[karmic lake]

I agree I’m assuming Spotify works a similar way to YouTube they can claim copyright and get it taken down

The arrow is interesting, and if it is real it’s the 11th song on RAB and it was made public on 11/25 but I’m still leaning towards someone uploaded it and it somehow got attached to their page and the 11 25 stuff in this specific case is a coincidence

[arctic karma]

So yes Spotify’s copyright works a similar way to Youtube’s. One of my friends uploaded a song to Spotify with a Steve Lacey sample on it and not only did the song get taken down, the whole album was taken down too

It is possible that someone else uploaded it and it got attached to TOP’s profile, although I feel like if that was the case it would’ve been taken down by now. Yes the boys have been on their way back from Australia but most of their team isn’t.

Basically I think if this was an accident or someone besides the band uploading the song, it would’ve been taken down already

What does it mean? Why did they choose to do this (if they actually did)? Who knows, but I’m sure we’ll find out

[karmic lake]

thats a good point

and thank you for the info

[arctic karma]

Ofc no problem!

[waxen meteor]

to clarify the reason why people are saying its not them is bc the artist if you dig seems to 'two jp'. depending on the version of spotify you are using, this might be visib.e to you (along with weird album art), otherwise, it was visible to me through a third party app, stats fm

granted stats fm has done stupid stuff before so it could be some sort of bug

someone pulled off a similar hack/glitch with a panic at the disco song recently apparently

[karmic lake]

ok so we have evidence of it being offical and of it not being offical, noted /nm

[arctic karma]

Well I gues we’ll see what happens lmao

Either way I’m taking advantage of every second that it’s available😂

[odd cargo]

the arrow on the album cover points to it not being official (no pun intended)

but i really wish it was official

[olive plume]

i would probably hold more stake in this if it was Slowtown instead of Ruby

since they actually played that on tour

[karmic lake]

Very true edy

[rancid gust]

omg

:D

back in the game babyyy!

I haven't been keeping up

[modern atlas]

if the next album is called torchbearer, I hope to see a remastered morph and bandito

[tame tendon]

We are not getting a TB album that’s just the truth there’s really nothing more to be said about him

[digital shadow]

i really hope the next thing released is called “dear clancy”

because of that one letter

[tame tendon]

Oh my god I just had a realization

The last letter in Tyler’s 11 letter tweet was D and people thought it’d be Drag Path but what if the 25th song on Clancy is called Dear Clancy

[digital shadow]

🤯

[shy flicker]

sadly id be surprised

[modern atlas]

…

There is so much more to be said about him

How did the banditos get there and why are they helping clancy? Are they runaways like Clancy?

[graceful hill]

Remastered? Can you elaborate on why

[modern atlas]

With Josh singing it and music videos for them, cause I think both of them are from the perspective of Torchbearer

I could be wrong

[modern atlas]

guys “thanks frens” has 11 letters this has to mean something!!!!!!

[dark ermine]

GUYS…

Also, no, he DOESN’T wear this shirt during the tour

[olive plume]

we’re thinking he might wear it underneath the overcompensate jacket before he switches to the white t-shirt

but we’re not 100%

[indigo nacelle]

Yeah we are pretty sure… after looking at a close up video I think the white shirt would be very bulky under the jacket. However……… this dressing room does not look like an arena dressing room……

[dark ermine]

mmhh could be, the fact that we don’t see it during the shows is very suspicious

[dark ermine]

I’vre read from some people that could also be under the jacket of the Routines Live at Jimmy Fallon, let’s hope it’s a tease instead 🤞🏻

[indigo nacelle]

No he was wearing the violation code shirt on Fallon

[dark ermine]

Right, I forgot about that

[rancid delta]

the nhl thing happening exactly a year after overcompensate drops is sus tbh

[tame tendon]

That can’t happen though cause the next February 29 is in 2028

[rancid delta]

You know what I mean though

[wraith gulch]

Thread disappeared. Bumping again.

[tame tendon]

Damn it did. The boys aren’t giving us anything these days

[arctic karma]

Yeah it’s been hella quiet since The Line dropped

tbh they’re probably resting from tour and spending the holidays with their families

OR they’re working on new stuff

bc since Clancy’s release till the end of the Aussie leg of tour the boys have been hella busy

[tame tendon]

I hope tour episode 3 is coming soon like there’s so much more to cover

[arctic karma]

Hopefully it comes out soon

Mark did say that it was supposed to come out soon if I remember correctly

[tame tendon]

He’s been saying that for 2 and a half months now

[arctic karma]

lmfaooo okay so he’s trolling

[tame tendon]

Fr

[arctic karma]

also Ruby is still on spotify

idk what it means but it’s still there

[tame tendon]

Spotify can kiss my ass they don’t get shit from me. Apple Music is superior

[arctic karma]

isn’t all of RAB on Apple Music?

[tame tendon]

I don’t think so

I’ll check

I found Be Concerned and Slowtown

[odd cargo]

it's canon

[modern atlas]

There is a Christian Girl with Down Syndrome in DEMA?

like how tf would that song be canon

😕

[odd cargo]

maybe?

down syndrome people are so chill bro

[lunar pine]

Nico has down syndrome

And Lisdown

[dark ermine]

FPE IN EUROPE AND UK! MORE LETTERS COMINGGGG!!

[weary edge]

lets goooooo

[karmic lake]

I wake up and see we get more lore YIPPEE

[wraith gulch]

Bumping again

[rancid delta]

We gotta keep this chat alive

[dark ermine]

we have no content for now 😭

we’ll see in the second leg of the tour

[karmic lake]

just keeping the chat alive again

[reef sapphire]

It's coming I swear :copium:

[tame tendon]

I swear the Europe FPEs are gonna have crazy awesome letters

[karmic lake]

im excited to see where they pick up the lore for the europe fpes

[tame tendon]

Bishop letters we need their perspective along with the citizens

[deft geode]

We can't be sure there will be any letters at all tho

[tame tendon]

It’s an FPE, I think they know we expect letters

Or at least new lore

[karmic lake]

and im sure they would want to make the fpe in europe similar to the fpes in the US

[real field]

At what point is it not even a double album anymore

[olive plume]

when they don’t market it as part of clancy

[tame tendon]

Yeah that makes sense

[cedar yacht]

Quiet before the dorm

Storm.

[tame tendon]

I guarantee the next storm will start on April 7

At around 3 PM Germany time

[karmic lake]

Absolutely

Could start on Jan 16 big they change the setlist

[tame tendon]

I was talking more in the sense of double album

[karmic lake]

You’re right it’s unlikely without FPE

[rancid delta]

Still wondering if/how blurryface 10 could factor in

[karmic lake]

I guess we’ll find out

[open bluff]

Breaking the cycle?

[tame tendon]

Remember the second to last FPE letter

[open bluff]

10th anniversary would fit nicely with the whole breaking the cycle thing since one of the many 9’s in the lore (including the blurryface album’s age) will change to a 10 with the anniversary

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 4!

[rancid delta]

plus, the dema story officially started with blurryface

dropping both the anniversary album and whatever the next thing is around the same time could possibly work, as a 'relisten to the beginning before the end' type of marketing

[tough timber]

i think connecting the "final chapter" to the beginning makes a lot of sense tbh

just had the thought that they could reference goner if they do that and go back to the lines "I've got two faces blurry's the one I'm not/i need your help to take him out" in the marketing

[karmic lake]

that sounds cool

[karmic lake]

I’ve also been thinking about goner for a while because Tyler forgot it and not today when writing out all their songs and when he made that joke setlist he posted on twitter it had goner as the second song

[tame tendon]

Speaking of the joke, he should’ve played Saturday

[karmic lake]

I was like have they played it recently and I looked and Saturday hasn’t been played since the last date of the icy tour

[graceful hill]

most sai songs havent

except for shy away and mulberry

[karmic lake]

very true

[odd cargo]

lavash

[cloud lynx]

imagine we get a blurryface extended album

as the double album

idk how they'd pull that off

[olive plume]

maybe some b-sides/unreleased tracks

[dark ermine]

HAPPY 2025

[tame tendon]

Not yet

[dark ermine]

I forgot about timezones 😭

[real field]

Real

[karmic lake]

Mood

[sly hazel]

Time is just a construct
Double album is life

[graceful hill]

Do we really think we're getting more music this year

I need hope for this theory

[tame tendon]

Yes and I will die on that hill

[dark ermine]

New music? Absolutely, literally almost confirmed (Tyler said he was “carving out” the ending of the story).

This year? Eh I don’t know. There’s the live album which should arrive later in 2025, but between the Blurryface 10th Anniversary and the break at the end of the Clancy Tour and the 6/25 thing…could be.

[rancid delta]

There's only so much 25 could mean tbh

I think it's safe to assume this year. If it is a whole second album, dropping it 2 years later doesn't scream "double album" to me, that's its own thing at that point

A year maximum difference, at least to me

[dark ermine]

Agree about this, but I’m beginning to think that could be an entire new album sequel of Clancy, not really a second part.

[dark ermine]

Still hoping for 2025, but yeah, “25” it’s pretty generic.

[graceful hill]

I was looking at the fireplace video last night

I remember people were theorizing about 5/17 since the Tyler studio video went on the TV at exactly 5:17:00

And they were right

That video was monumental ngl

[karmic lake]

It so was and it’s the reason why when they release anything for the holidays I’m gonna analyze it

[indigo nacelle]

A couple of us revisited Ned’s cozy fireplace a while back https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1284289910785839185 I also have something going on with it but haven’t quite finished it yet……..

[rancid delta]

Then calling Clancy the finale was false marketing if that turns out to be the case

So just more confusing

[dark ermine]

It’s already false and confusing. Till the last day of promotion Clancy was the finale, literally the day of the release of the album Tyler said “Does this sound like the end?”

[olive plume]

if this next album is clancy part 2 or some kind of deluxe, then it technically wouldn’t be a lie to say clancy is the finale

[graceful hill]

imagine if clancy is the finale to "this part of the story" and theres like another 3 albums as a final part lol

(i dont think thats the case)

(but it would be funny)

[tough timber]

this is my copium theory but I'm still holding on to the idea that there's a new music video for every break in the tour

we got RITN Live and The Line

Drag Path between LATAM and Europe

followed by Clancy Part 2 announcement 🤪

[karmic lake]

I’ll join you in that copium

[olive plume]

[tough timber]

I'm just glad we have the q101 lounge at least so i don't feel as insane about things

[tame tendon]

Yeah but we still need Clancy tour episode 3 like what is going on with that

[tough timber]

direct confirmation that the story isn't done made me feel so much better lol

the longer we wait for tour episode 3 i just keep imagining that means they have mark working on other projects

[tame tendon]

Music videos? I hope that’s it

[karmic lake]

yeah more important and bigger things

The combo of them being quiet and no new tour episode to me means they’re resting and/or cooking stuff up

[tough timber]

i have a lot of hope riding on his use of ellipsis here lol

from his bluesky account

[indigo nacelle]

I keep imagining it means they are waiting for us to find it, which stresses me out lol

[tame tendon]

If that’s true I might go insane

[karmic lake]

I wouldn’t even know where to look

[tough timber]

i don't think they'd make us go on a scavenger hunt for the tour series

it's either really not done or they delayed the release for some other reason

[karmic lake]

I would think it would be something else not the tour series

[patent coral]

Are we all generally in agreement that the instrumental Torchbearer intro from the shows is from a song in Clancy pt. 2?

[tough timber]

I hope so

i still like the idea of torchbearer as an album title

Clancy and the Torchbearer - double/companion albums would be so cool

i want to believe they didn't just mention the torchbearer's ability to "guide" once on the livestream only to never bring it up again

[karmic lake]

yeah and they almost never tell us things straight up

But maybe Tyler saw all the is trash Ned stuff in sai era and was like I want to set the record straight from the get go with what happens in navigating

[tough timber]

very true i feel like I Am Clancy and the statements about Torchbearer are the most straightforward things that have happened in this era that is supposed to be super straightforward 😅

[karmic lake]

And Paladin strait and overcompensate feel like the only straightforward lore songs on the album just by audio alone

[tame tendon]

Honestly I don’t know but I’m really hoping it’s a part of the live album, like the intro to ||Navigating|| live

[patent coral]

I think it definitely will be, it's just such an immaculately composed and produced piece of music, for it to only exist as a show transition feels so strange to me

Also an album (or whatever UC25 turns out to be) with a cinematic sound like that would be so cool and not like anything they've done in the past

[dark ermine]

That’s true.

[dark ermine]

What about the instrumental in the “I Am Clancy” video? I still think could be something for the Ultimate Chapter

By the way, best recap about the Double Album Theory I have seen so far:

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This album cycle was supposed to be more straightforward and easy to follow than the previous ones, but there are still maaaany questions that haven't been answered. We've gotten loads of cryptic stuff over the last few months that we haven't solved yet. All in all, I think we got more questions than answers in 2024...

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[patent coral]

That instrumental was made for Ned's Cozy Fireplac

[dark ermine]

Oh I’ve missed that

[karmic lake]

thats awesome im glad someone put all the info in one place

[cloud lynx]

Guys also Tyler said that Overcompensate was gonna be the intro song for shows for the next years

Could it also be a lie? Could it still be the first song even if there's a second album/another act of the story?

[cloud lynx]

I mean, that's the same guy that said Clancy was the finale

[tough timber]

does anyone know if tyler or josh themselves have referred to clancy as the finale? outside if tyler saying "one more album" back in the Zane Lowe SAI interview?
i genuinely think there's a possibility tyler said that and then decided he couldn't fit the finale he wanted into one more album but i may have missed something
i know other people have referred to it as the end/finale but I'm not certain the boys themselves have said that directly

[tame tendon]

Well in a way it’s true, the double album will be a part of Clancy cause Clancy is unfinished right now

[patent coral]

This is why I think it’ll be a matter of adding tracks to the already existing track list. And maybe an updated album cover where the background is revealed (maybe the city burning, or an army of Banditos and citizens, or Trash flying in the sky)

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 5!

[patent coral]

I’m thinking about that tweet from Tyler too where he says it’s only the beginning of bringing the album to life

[tame tendon]

Yeah that’s exactly what I’m talking about, just more tracks on Clancy

[patent coral]

Would also explain the weird addition of Trees and Guns For Hands at the LC being added to Vessel for a few days this summer. Like they were teasing the plan for what’s next.

But if it were a total tracklist of 25 then it would be more of a situation like Mercury by Imagine Dragons than a deluxe, which I think is likely

The album cover stills feels so bizarre to me tbh. Like it’s cool but such strange and off-kilter design language. Especially considering how purposeful Brandon Rike is as a designer. I’m almost certain there’s something to the album art we haven’t seen yet.

[tame tendon]

Like we know Blurryface is to Clancy’s left but that’s all the hidden stuff we know about so far

[indigo nacelle]

I just know that they have said the story is “coming to an end” and Tyler is excited for what this album “teases” and of course the final battle happening “after the album”

And the story will be “tied up with a bow” (rip holiday theory)

[teal compass]

Yeah they’ve referred Clancy as the last record in the storyline a couple times

I think the first time he directly said it was all the way back in SAI era during the Zane Lowe interview where he said “one more record and then there will be an explanation and a bookend….. i don’t think one more record and then nothing, I think one more record when it comes to the story I’ve been telling”

Then there were various references to it being the final one throughout the album rollout

He had previously talked about the plan being a third album after trench to wrap everything up though and changed his mind about that so the sai interview is less concrete but they did keep talking about it as the finale this era

Generally I’ve taken what he’s said about the storyline with a grain of salt this era though, he’s also switched to saying he planned the storyline since vessel which is contrary to almost everything he’s told us about the development of the ideas over the years so anything they say is kinda questionable right now

Even smaller stuff like the infamous “early June” Paladin drop that never occurred and was never acknowledged or them waiting until halfway through the release stream to say Paladin wasn’t dropping despite continuing to advertise all the videos dropping at once when promoting the stream

I can try to compile some mentions of it but it might take a bit

This interview has Josh saying “everything has been leading towards this album which is kinda wrapping up this lore that’s been happening this last few albums so this track specifically when I listen to it I’m kinda like “okay here we go” it’s kinda like a final season of a tv show that you really like” (in reference to overcompensate)

https://youtu.be/k5fMIQgHL5w

The interviewer then asks if he thinks they’re closing the book in a way that’s satisfying to fans and he says “yeah I do I think it’s an exciting thing, it feels like truly the beginning of an era but the end to one as well. Or will be. It’s been a great place to write songs from having this kinda story in mind but is definitely by no means the end of the band. It’s just wrapping up this story and it feels good to do”

[bright tinsel]

This is where the frustration comes in. The messaging has been so confusing this era, to the point where probably half the fanbase hasn’t been convinced/made aware of there being anything else after this.

If something is coming next year, how will they advertise it? Will they put the teaser/announcement everywhere? Or will they go back to the cryptic Trench-era release style?

[tough timber]

agreed, seems like they're purposefully being ambiguous about it all
even the above josh quote about feeling like the beginning and the end of an era is very ambiguous
i ger that he's saying start of the clancy era end of this storyline's era but could also be referencing what's coming next in a subtle way

they're so vague about what's going on lol

I'm just thankful we got tyler confirmation from q101 that there's an end and we haven't seen it yet in

before that i kept going back and forth between "well they've dropped all these hints that it's not fully done" and "no they ended on a cliff hanger and are messing with us"

i still don't really understand what the plan is here but I'm still riding the double/extended album train lol

[tame tendon]

Like I think we’ll get the next obvious clue for more lore at the Europe FPEs if more letters are gonna happen

[patent coral]

I’m excited for what’s next but I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand why they chose to do it this way.

[tough timber]

yes I'm definitely curious to see if they do letter or some other lore thing at Europe FPEs

[indigo nacelle]

I keep thinking of him saying “I’m excited for what it (the album) teases” like we should be able to get a feeling for what comes next from the album itself…

[bright tinsel]

I think they ran out of time to do the story exactly how Tyler wanted.

[teal compass]

Running out of time feels like the most likely answer but it also feels like they kinda had all the time in the world if they needed longer yk? The only thing that really pressured them to drop when they did was the blurryface 9th anniversary and they didn’t even actually make that deadline and overall it didn’t really seem important beyond a cool Easter egg.

Same situation with the music videos, just seems like they tried to cram too much work into too little time and it ended up messing with the whole release schedule and didn’t really amount to much since they weren’t able to drop them all at once anyway and left us with the multi week Paladin weirdness

I have been trying to hold off on in depth criticism until we see everything since they could always surprise me but idk that feels like a consistent theme popping up this era, the band biting off more than they can chew so things end up feeling kinda half baked and they need more time to wrap it up fully but the only thing that’s putting those original time constraints on them is themselves so I don’t really get why they couldn’t have just taken another 2-3 months to really polish the plans for this era instead of having it release in a strange half-finished state

[meager fjord]

I've always said that this era feels really weird with the pacing of everything- vaguely intentional, but also partly just like they're stumbling from one thing to the next trying to fit it all into a specific arbitrary timeframe- and yet simultaneously drawn out and also super rushed? Like- spurts of "omg we have to do everything right now" with a downpour of quantity over quality content followed by absolute silence

like they wanted to drop the "piano" on us and make an impact but they underestimated how long building a piano by hand takes

so we just got a leg here, some keys there, the top over here-

[wheat gorge]

I agree. however, I do think it's important to say that I don't think this is a problem with this era, but its kinda always been a problem. Hiatus to Dmaorg to Trench felt good, a natural pace of progression where more was being revealed to us, but after Levitate came out, we got nothing. The Bandito Experience came out 4 months later but was barely marketed as like something important, when it certainly was. Then nothing lore-focused for like all of 2019, besides Clancy's seventh letter in Jan. Then 2020 hit, still nothing. The LOC ARG but that was not really that big of a chapter for the lore at all, its sort of its own thing. Then with early 2021, April to May, we got alot of lore, and then nothing again until March 2022. then nothing at all until Overcompensate in Feb 2024. Since Dmaorg and Trench's reveal, the next biggest and consistent run of lore was the FPE Letters and that's only because those were near daily.

point being, the band, despite all the incredible effort and talent they put into this storyline, has - in my opinion - a hard time maintaining a good pace. we've had little lore hiatuses spotting the last 6-7 years.

like, we had Dmaorg then the Trench Trilogy back to back, shows and release, then Bandito Experience at the end of 2018. Pretty good. Then Clancy's 7th Letter with Chlorine in January of 2019 but then NOTHING significant for the story for the REST of the year. 2020, nothing significant either outside of The LOC ARG giving us the "clancy is dead" message. nothing for the rest of year until the cover of CSTY, which only got answers in April/May of 2021. Dmaorg shuts down, SAI announced, the Livestream, and Saturday in July. then nothing for the story until March of 2022. Then after that, nothing for almost two years! specifically, a year and seven months. ten if you don't wanna count Ned's Cozy Fireplace because it only offered the small note and the books hint (which had to be given to us because it was far too arbitrary) Overcomp in Feb 2024, Navigating in May, Paladin in June, the FPE Letters from August to October, then nothing for the rest of the year.

all of that to say, its always been so spotty. I mean, right now its better than the wait between The Outside and Overcomp. they've always been kinda bad at keeping a pace. you can see that with how dead the theory and lore communities get, how excited we are when they come back, and how disjointed we can all get when the lore well we try to keep up with suddenly runs dry and doesn't get back to flowing till like a year later.

[bright tinsel]

I agree with the sentiments shared above. I think that the music videos for Clancy are the perfect display of the issue going on. They range from high-budget to spotty, don’t share an overall focus, and with some examples - particularly Oldies Station - it feels like they were fresh out of time and just released whatever they had.

[dark ermine]

I still think that Trench is my favorite album but the way Clancy positively surprised me...this is to tell you that when we will have the second part with the true ending considering it as a single work...I think it could surpass Trench. I always come back to the "Avengers Infinity War" and "Avengers Endgame" example, but I think it's still super spot on. Clancy is just missing that one thing that will make it just perfect in my eyes.

[bright tinsel]

Trench felt more polished. Clancy needed more time in the oven. Tyler said he spent more time creating tour stems than he did making the instrumentals on Clancy. That means there was a better version of Clancy that we didn’t get.

I think my main problem with Clancy is the “go go go” pacing with no breaks. There are very few instrumental breaks/breakdowns and that would’ve helped the album. Some of the songs just feel too short.

[tame tendon]

Clancy did not need more time in the “oven” it’s close to perfection in its thematic progression

There’s definitely one or two songs on Trench that sure as hell needed more time to make it better

Maybe just one

Granted it would’ve been nice if Tyler had let himself write longer songs on Clancy too

[dark ermine]

I disagree, I think that’s an artistic choice opposed to the longer tracks in Trench.

[lunar pine]

i agree.

[bright tinsel]

Thematically? Yes. Instrumentally? No. The mixer is insanely compressed and the style/layering varies wildly. From Overcompensate with like 30 layers to songs like Oldies Station with (maybe) 10. Clancy needs a glue to hold itself together…for Trench it was the baseline and the spacy mixing.

[tame tendon]

See I believe you meant to say no for thematically cause Clancy has one of the clearest thematic progressions on any TOP album, like the whole thing is just Clancy communicating his headspace while all of this is happening with him returning to Trench

[bright tinsel]

My entire critique was based on the instrumentals and sonic aspect of the album. Hence why I said “thematically, yes” - you are correct about the thematic progression being great.

[bright tinsel]

This might not be an “objective” criticism, but I’ve noticed during live performances of Clancy songs that Tyler has to stop to take a breather far more often. And when you listen to songs like Overcompensate or Backslide, it makes sense. There aren’t breaks between most of the verses or choruses. You even have things like “drowning in logistics” bleeding into “I don’t wanna”. In the end, yes, it’s probably mostly by artistic choice, but I don’t see why the album needs to rush itself so much. Songs like Next Semester, Oldies Station, or Midwest Indigo feel more well-paced thanks to them including instrumental breaks.

Speaking of instrumental breaks, every TØP album has had those. They were iconic on Vessel with the dance/hiphop tone, or the drum solos and reggae elements on Blurryface, or the basslines on Trench, just for some examples. On Clancy, an album with some really great stems, it deserved to have a little bit more of that. I also think that the mixer does a disservice to the tracks by smashing everything down into an overly crushed sandwich.

Sorry for the rant btw.

[indigo nacelle]

No, this is not an objective criticism, it is an opinion/personal preference. The overlapping vocals sound amazing on the recording, and there are reasons behind every choice including a lack of vocal breaks. Songs always sound different live. And yeah Tyler needs breathers like any singer would especially while moving so much on stage (it’s a good thing the crowd can take over for him lol). I’ll just say, I didn’t know much about the band before Clancy, and the first time I heard it I thought every song was perfect and I couldn’t believe I had never listened to this band before. And they keep getting better with each closer listen. Zero notes.

[bright tinsel]

Clancy is my second favorite of their albums, so we aren’t in much disagreement here.

However, where Trench is as close to perfect as an album gets in my eyes - lyrics, mixing, vocals, instrumentals, tone, theme, variety, etc. - it’s sort of like Clancy is 95% there, but just needed a little more.

Whether it was maybe including more live drums on songs like Backslide or Routines, putting the live instruments more at the forefront of the mix, letting some of the tracks run a little longer so the emotions have more time to set in, or simply cutting back on the compression…I wouldn’t really change any of the lyrics or thematics of the album (except for adidas track jacket and proctologist, those can go lol) but I do think it could’ve used a little more work. And I think that the heavy compression, autotune, and digitized drums are moreso signs of the lack of time than they are a stylistic choice.

Maybe my complaints are falling on deaf ears here, and that’s okay. I want people to enjoy things. But I have the entire album ripped in lossless quality, and I listen to it with studio headphones, and I can tell you that some components of it sound a little…rough, or slightly unpolished.

[dark ermine]

I can see what you mean, but some of this “rushes” are part of my favourite things of Clancy, like what you said with the “Drowning in logistics” into “I don’t wanna backslide”, it’s honestly the best part of the song imho. But I kinda agree that the instrumental part at the end of the track could have been longer, for example.

It depends.

[livid pine]

i know this isn’t the album critique channel but just to add, i agree with the rushed pace of clancy. i actually think the mix was quite good, though it lacked the consistency of trench. but i think that’s more due to instrumentals of the songs being vastly different (overcompensate and next semester, as the most immediate example). all the songs are similar in length barring OC and PS and some of those songs felt like they filled out that time super well. vignette is one of my all time favorite songs by them and that 3 and a half minutes feels like 5 (and not in a bad way). the song feels as complete as something like chlorine but with a shorter runtime. but some songs, especially on the back half, feel like they’re in a hurry to finish up. snap back is a prime example to me as it introduces some buildups that aren’t followed through in a very satisfying way that would have flourished had the song had an extra 30 seconds to a minute. love this album to death, but there are aspects that feel like they may have suffered due to time constraints. to tie it back to the double album theory, this whole era feels a little rushed as i think we’ve mentioned a thousand times before. the album itself was made entirely in just a year according to tyler. i feel like there’s something big that we’re building toward and this is all a setup to a more complete picture. i feel like some of the rushed pacing will make more sense with time

[bright tinsel]

That’s a fair point, the fading between lyrics there is satisfying. But I agree with you, the final chorus and outro instrumental definitely deserved a little more. Also, Backslide doesn’t have a bridge, which is curious.

[bright tinsel]

Completely agreed. The inconsistency is another point I was scratching at as well. I don’t think it’s entirely a bad thing, but it is a contrast from the consistency of past albums.

I’m fairly confident in the boys and the thought of there being more to come, but even if there isn’t, Clancy was great. Just a little rushed. Making that whole album in only a year is crazy.

[dark ermine]

Coming today!

https://youtu.be/5lpl9MeUzV4?si=gu4c4FNd5tfh3gYI

[cloud lynx]

came across this tweet that reminded me of that second picture https://fxtwitter.com/shlofolina/status/1878157366761300413

isn't it literally the thing they used for promoting The Line? or similar aesthetic

[meager fjord]

it looks like the same photo (or photoshoot) just with the weird doubling effects on it

[tough timber]

clancy journal vs the line promo

[olive plume]

i wish we had access to all the photoshoot images, including the outtakes they never really end up using for promo

[arctic karma]

I very much agree. Trench is by far my favourite TOP album for countless reasons. But honestly comparing Trench to Clancy is kinda unfair. Trench was made over a longer period of time, has an extra song and the musical climate was very different back then. People’s tastes have changed, people’s attentions spans have shortened. To me it makes sense that Clancy has shorter tracks compared to other albums (although worth noting 6 tracks are longer than 3:30). For me there’s a very big difference between the two halves of Clancy. Songs like Vignette, Midwest Indigo, Next Semester and Overcompensate sound absolutely perfect and fully polished, whereas songs like ATROFD, Oldies Station and Snap Back definitely feel lacking compared to other songs on the record. Also to touch on the overcompression thing, that’s a thing with literally all digital music and it sucks. Clancy sounds so much more beautiful on vinyl it’s insane

[bright tinsel]

I completely agree, especially with the fact that half of the album sounds one way and the other half sounds another. As for compression, it does sound far better on vinyl, but the compression of the actual master is still slightly noticeable especially when compared to Trench.

[arctic karma]

Yeah there definitely is a big difference between the mixing styles of Trench and Clancy

But tbh that’s one of the things I love about this band the most. Even though each record they’ve put out has the classic TOP sound, each record sounds quite different from the last

[real field]

I'm curious what your qualifications for classic TOP sound is. Because when I think of classic top I think of older albums and songs like Guns for hands

[arctic karma]

I definitely do as well, when I think of classic TOP I think mainly of Self-Titled and Vessel

But what I mean is how TOP kinda has a signature sound. Whenever you hear one of their songs you can tell it’s them, like their distinctive style I guess

[tame tendon]

But that’s the amazing thing. TOP’s style is they don’t have a specific style

Just do whatever

[arctic karma]

That’s kind of what I mean? Idk it’s hard to put into words

[tame tendon]

Like it’s a huge contrast between songs like Cut My Lip and Mulberry Street but they’re both by them

[arctic karma]

Oh absolutely

But what I find beautiful is that those two songs are so different, yet you can tell that they’re both by the same band

[tame tendon]

Yeah.. it’s hard to understand it

[arctic karma]

It’s hard to explain😂

It’s like there’s certain things they do in their music that has become kinda like a staple for them. A big one for me is how Tyler sings. Imo he has a very unique style of singing that has only progressed and gotten better over the years

[real field]

I think I get what you're saying. It might be the vocals, he has a unique voice

[burnt scarab]

9th show of South America leg will probably have another clue

i think it’s gonna be another DMA org censored one

OR

banditp cool haha one

[arctic karma]

There’s been some cool stuff going on with the shirts too

The shirts Tyler has worn during the last 2 latam shows are repeats of shirts he wore during the North American leg, but with red details added

Upon further inspection the red details are the patterns associated with the songs from Blurryface

They’re playing 9 different cities in latam so the current theory is that each shirt will have a BF pattern added that’s associated with a bishop. Who knows what’ll happen when we get to Nico’s shirt

But yeah we’re definitely getting more lore this tour cycle even without the FPE which is super dope

[rancid delta]

i dont keep track of tours very much, because theyre something i never really get to be a part of. just seeing now though that there isnt anything in march. if there was any time to put out a new debut single, it would be in march.

[tame tendon]

This is exactly what I’ve been thinking since there are some clues for March 21 which is a Friday

[brazen leaf]

this theory is still alive 100% :)

[cloud lynx]

i think we're closer than ever tbh

this t-shirt thing literally looks like what they'd do to tease something big

they always do cryptic stuff like that

hiding things

[cedar yacht]

This year album trust

[modern atlas]

I think we'll get a single on March 21, another single or album release date announcement on BF 10 year stream, and full album or something of the sort in June

[open bluff]

There's for sure something happening soon

[patent coral]

I bet we got an full blown ARG booting up soon leading up to a March single drop.

Fairly Local dropped 3/17/15 and kicked off the BF era . Would be cool if that window of time is when we get a new single as a beginning of the end, especially with BF10 this year

[tame tendon]

March 21 trust

[burnt bough]

is that summer north hemisphere?

[tame tendon]

Not at all it’s spring

First day of spring in fact

[patent coral]

And the PS music video came out the first day of summer 👀

Would be exactly 9 months to the day after that

[tame tendon]

Exactly! One more occurrence of nine before the cycle finally breaks after the tour ends

We still need the Europe FPEs after March 21 that hopefully have letters

[patent coral]

Definitely feel like the Europe tour FPE’s could be part of the Clancy Part 2 rollout. Everything with the tour and the letters has been a flashback up to this point, after 3/21 we’ll start moving forward past the end of the PS music video

[tame tendon]

I’m totally seeing bishop letters with the Europe FPEs

[patent coral]

Would be so interesting and interactive for them to be on tour during an album rollout

Gives it a feeling like we’re gearing up for the final battle alongside the band

[tame tendon]

They already did that with the small shows in May 2024, I’d love for the same thing but with a huge tour

[patent coral]

And then after the London shows we get the final songs and ending to the story

[tame tendon]

Ok I’m gonna come up with a timeline for this real quick

[patent coral]

True but this time he have the letters and FPE

[tame tendon]

Keep in mind the shirts on LATAM with the bishops are still being revealed so who knows if this could change

March 21: New single or announcement of double album
Europe leg: New FPE letters to and from the bishops, with hopefully a Keons letter at the end
June 2025: Double album release

[patent coral]

That makes sense to me

And then probably another leg of the tour into 2026 promoting the new material

Maybe starting next fall

Probably not as extensive as the current tour though, could see things winding down for a bit after all this

[burnt scarab]

June 13th has gotta be the album