#Double Album Confirmed

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lean mango
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When Trench came out he knew some people wouldn't like it and it wouldn't be the direction a lot of people hoped they would head but it was something special to him

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So what mattered was not excluding "fake fans" so much as expressing himself as truly as possible and accepting that some part of the audience may be lost in the process

plush island
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Worst time

signal spruce
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The ending of Leave the City pretty much exactly says this

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“Needed change of pace, couldn’t take the pace of change”

tough timber
tame tendon
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I mean have you seen pictures of Tyler at the end of all of their touring after blurryface? He doesnt look okay at all

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I think he looked so much healthier during trench touring, it seemed like genuine fun from the both kf them, that i feel like has just been getting more and more present in everything they do

lean mango
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Eh, he looked relatively fine to me, just like I'd expect after a huge tour, especially with it being the biggest they'd ever done

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I know the pressure was a lot for them, but he's explained the reason for the hiatus

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he talked about it in the publicly available snippets of the new book

winged sapphire
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what if the double album is just clancy (mtv unplugged) void

worldly wigeon
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double album = 11

waxen meteor
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I'd be so happy with mtv unplugged esque mix of clancy

digital shadow
granite seal
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yeah I love the live songs/mixes from that and the livestream

wheat gorge
timber pasture
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what if the real double album was the clancys we made along the way?

shell kite
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soooo is this theory still alive or-? 😩

tame tendon
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This place is more dead than the double album theory

tough timber
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mostly seems like the next thing will be june 2025 but there's still some other ideas floating around too

lean mango
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Theory is as alive as ever if you consider a continuation album of any kind a double

smoky turtle
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I honestly think it'll be next year with blurryface 10th anniversary also probably why the tour ends may 14th (3 days before 10th anniversary)

signal spruce
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Something for sure has to be coming- even without all the other weirdness, there’s Tyler’s “DoEs It SoUnD LiKe ThE EnD?”

real field
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There's no double album 😭😭

sleek pendant
lean mango
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it's not delusion

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there's been about 50 hints something's coming, a lot of foreshadowing about a potential clancy loss, and it being so long after the initial album released dispels a lot of the arguments against another full album

slate jewel
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how far apart can an album be from another one and still be considered a double album

lean mango
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A year even, what makes it a double is usually how it's branded

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also often if the songs were recorded in the same sessions

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for example, Kid A and Amnesiac by Radiohead are actually meant to be a double album but were released a year apart, just made at the same time, and they're not even branded as a double (at least not originally)

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they have a song tying them together by appearing on both sides

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and then now they have a long version combining both

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I think if they release a second album and it finishes the story and is clearly a part of this era rather than a new one, it counts as a double

tough timber
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low-key obsessed with the idea of having a torchbearer album as like a companion piece to clancy

also this is just an opinion but i can't see how killing clancy would make sense with their anti-suicide messages (maybe he gets close hurt/captured/near death but outright killing him doesn't seem right imo)

lean mango
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Yea, I don't think it's likely

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even if he was a sacrifice for everyone else to escape it doesn't make sense IMO because he's the protagonist whose journey we're supposed to identify with

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I think it's a lot more likely that he'll be badly hurt or close to defeated, but survive

rancid delta
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unused midwest indigo part and it says "probably the start of a new song"

tough timber
graceful hill
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Oh nvm

lean mango
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Text on the screen w/ the distorted section

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also it's confirmed now that the backslide end came from Midwest Indigo piano

graceful hill
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Is that from the official video? I guess I wasn't paying attention lol

rancid delta
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Can someone check if it goes with the cutoff for the paladin mv

graceful hill
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Oh I literally just didn't see it the first time

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My bad guys

lean mango
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It doesn't go with it

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so if the intent is to sneakily hint towards a new song, it's probably evidence for an EP or album rather than a single

graceful hill
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I csnt tell if he means new song as in he's teasing stuff or just a future song

rancid delta
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If there really isn't a double album, would they really be working on new music this soon? I doubt it

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It's only been 2 months since clancy dropped and the tour hasn't even started yet

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Betting part 2 comes out just after the tour

silent cairn
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I expect the music is already completed.

rancid delta
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Probably has been for a while

silent cairn
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I lean towards ~4 more tracks, which could either be out through a deluxe album or EP.

sly hazel
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Paul would've filmed this a while back
So likely hinting at a "new song" which is actualyl already done and he knows they used that in some way

silent cairn
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The most lore potential I see is at this point is a final confrontation between Nico and Clancy, and an epilogue.

rancid delta
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The current tour dates ends in May 2025 right?

quartz sphinx
rancid delta
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Blurryface 10th anniversary + Clancy double album

silent cairn
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Of course, there will be some other tracks that don't have lore MVs and are more casually suited.

rancid delta
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Things get reused all the time

lean mango
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Yea, I think that explanation was separate

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I don't think he was referring to the old scrapped B section

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but the second verse

rancid delta
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Bandito bits got reused in Overcompensate

lean mango
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since he plays the piano riff over the second verse when he says it

rancid delta
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So that means nothing

lean mango
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the studio time to actually produce and finalize a song is expensive, so most of the process of writing an album is before they do that, making demos and such

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then when the producer gets involved, it's a lot more streamlined and focused

quartz sphinx
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Sorry guys I just watched a third time and he’s literally playing and showing the B section and saying we tried everything to fit it in… and then that text is on the screen. Like we tried every way and it wouldn’t fit so this probably belongs in another song, which ended up being backslide.

lean mango
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No, the backslide section is something different

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he's calling back to the Backslide production peak

rancid delta
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It doesn't sound like the end of backslide though tbh

lean mango
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where he showed a piano riff that they recycled

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he shows in that video specifically the thing that was recycled

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and it's not that B-section, it's a piano layer from the second verse

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He says "remember when I said we used a spare part from another song"

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and he's talking about the bit he plays after he says that

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Confirmed by him soloing it and saying "that guy"

split island
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This, his tweet about seeing us at the show felt to me like the ultimate "guys please chill and touch some grass, it's spring break, more will come once we're prepared for battle thanks to the tour" esp after it came after the whole puzzle thing

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oh im replying super late, and im not saying that theres nothing left to find and all theories should defo keep being discussed! but it's not an ARG anymore haha

plush island
vital arrow
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It’s almost August! I’m so excited to see what they do on this tour 🔥❤️

cloud lynx
lean mango
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Hey, what if...

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They release the double album on August 16th

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They play the first show, play Paladin halfway through, and then debut a bunch of new songs live on the first night, and the album drops right after

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It still wouldn't have to be the finale on tour because the real finale could come in video form later, but the music could release without that

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Wait, that kinda actually makes sense with the wording of that one tweet

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"The show is a flashback"
"Reminding us of why we fight right before we do"

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Could be read to imply that the finale isn't just after, but very soon after, like... same night? Could explain why he kept referring to it as "the show" singular which some people thought was weird

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He doesn't say it's after the tour ends

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He just says it's not at the concert

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In context that also makes sense

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Paladin MV debuts and he says "see you at the show" right afterwards, as if he's addressing the cliffhanger, while also confirming that the end won't happen there

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Just right before

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Also the 16th is a Friday

quartz sphinx
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I’m liking what you’re cooking @lean mango

vale canyon
open bluff
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Guess we’ll see what happens soon

cloud lynx
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i'm not dismissing your theory tho!!

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plus maybe in context with the other elements...

tough timber
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@lean mango my last minute drop theory is 8/11 (the sunday before the tour starts) but anything could happen at this point! aside from the fact that 11 seems to be a significant number for some reason i don't have a lot to back that up

i have been thinking any extension to clancy will come either then or in june 2025 with the potential for new hints or letters or something during the breaks between the different legs of the tour

cloud lynx
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the 25 thing gotta mean smth

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maybe that's for 25 total tracks, maybe that's for 2025

tough timber
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i doubt more and more that anything else is happening before tour starts 🤡

worldly wigeon
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I find them all over but can't come to any conclusion

tough timber
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because November 8 (11/8) and January 18 (1/18) don't make a lot of sense to me so flip the date to August 11 (8/11)

but yeah the 25 is definitely something and idk what 14 would be

i guess it could be 11/14/25 but that feels too far away for it to still be an extended version of clancy

i'm having too much fun to give up theorizing right now but idk where to go from here

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sort of have it in my head that drag path will be track 14 so there's that but no evidence to back it up

worldly wigeon
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8 is interesting. I haven't seen 8 very often myself but now there is something else to look for.

lean mango
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In particular, saying "right before we do" is interesting because if it's not after the first show (or first few), it won't be soon after for them

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But I think the biggest evidence for me is the seeming lack of an opener

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If there really isn't an opener, why would they do that for this tour? I doubt it's something they plan to do permanently, and if there's another album but it's not until after this tour, why not wait to have no opener for the next tour in 2025 or so, and do things more normally here?

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Because, like, having no opener is basically necessary for a double album unless they want to not be able to play most of their songs

tough timber
indigo nacelle
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No one pays hundreds of dollars to go to a concert where they play a bunch of songs nobody knows.

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I sure would be pretty upset about it. I’m spending a lot of money and driving 5 hours to see them

tough timber
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also if they were gonna do something like thay it seems like something they'd do in columbus if that was the plan

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anything is possible that just doesn't seem super likely to me

indigo nacelle
olive plume
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i know it was just one song but i didn’t see anybody upset that they played the craving live before it officially dropped

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and i know the album itself dropped at midnight the day of but when the rumor was that the cbus small show was gonna be an album release show, i just saw people excited about it. i really don’t think that many people will be upset if they played brand new songs in addition to clancy songs

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they’re not usually the type of band to do things like that but the fact tyler was comfortable with sharing/performing the craving does set a sort of precedent that this could be something they do in the future and it might be something we should prepare for just in case

tough timber
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true, i would say one new song or even two or three would be cool but i can't imagine they'd make the start of the tour into a clancy deluxe/part 2 release show? i think a lot of people think there could be 11 more songs if it is a double album and that would probably be too much new music to introduce at a live show imo

indigo nacelle
indigo nacelle
tough timber
olive plume
indigo nacelle
lean mango
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Why would people be disappointed to hear new music on tour? They wouldn't play a whole 11 new songs obviously, just like 2-3, same as with most albums

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Artists debut new music on tour all the time

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Concerts aren't just about being able to sing along to every song, there's something special about experiencing a new song for its live premiere

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And heck

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They set a precedent for it now with The Craving

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As I see edy mentioned

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But in my experience, artists never playing new music live first like TOP tends to is rare

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I've seen probably 10-12 bands live and out of those at least half of them played unreleased songs

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And that's counting a wide variety of genres and levels of fame

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And not to be rude, but if you're genuinely getting mad about the idea of them playing any new music on tour I think you've got the wrong priorities

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TOP's shows are for a wide variety of people from many different backgrounds, it's not their job to cater to exactly what you want at the show

tough timber
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i agree it's not unusual for artists to debut a few songs live
the main point i was trying to make is that it would be odd to debut a whole second half of the album live and then release it afterwards if that makes sense
it would be awkward to do a lot of new songs all at once for the first show and then release them so that everyone except the fans seeing them in denver would know to expect it

lean mango
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Yea, I agree, I guess I wasn't very clear with what I meant with regards to that

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I was talking about playing Paladin at the halfway point right before intermission (which they've hinted they'll have), and then go into whatever song they've been teasing right after they return

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So symbolically it reflects Paladin's place as the end of the first half

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And then the second half, they premiere maybe 2-3 other songs too while mixing them in with ones people know already

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And then they drop the full album later that night

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As for everyone but fans on the first night knowing to expect it, that's kinda just how premieres go in general

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It was the same thing with The Craving, it was really special and surprising when it happened and then people got to expect it for the rest of the small shows

indigo nacelle
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Bands don’t premier songs when they are touring an album. They play new songs live between albums to feel out how people respond to it. Imagine if they had a new song in the set list and then people didn’t like it, the tour is too big for them to just take it out.

lean mango
indigo nacelle
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And then for the songs to actually be released right before going to see them? Yeah, I would be upset that I wouldn’t have the chance to hear them first

lean mango
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Second, I'm sorry, but what you're saying about bands not premiering new songs when touring an album just isn't true

indigo nacelle
lean mango
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Like, you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all when it comes to this and you're projecting your personal tastes on everyone else

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Lol, I don't believe you at all

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You're talking like someone with hardly any concert experience who has been to shows from a couple of your favorite bands that happened to do things similarly

glass flare
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What is wrong with hearing new songs of a band you love on a concert? I would love it and embrace it. And I have done it myself on gigs.

lean mango
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Yea, it's been one of the most memorable parts of the experience for me when it's happened

olive plume
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and trying to say the energy when they perform new song should be “lackluster”? what is going on

lean mango
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Walk The Moon playing Tiger Teeth which became one of my favorite songs on their next album

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One of my fav bands even played new music which they never released, sadly

olive plume
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framing it negatively will always end in negative feelings. instead of it being “oh no i spent all this money to hear songs i haven’t heard before,” it should be “oh! i spent all this money to hear songs i haven’t heard before and i’m one of the first ones to hear them!”

glass flare
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As a musician it is also a great testing opportunity before releasing new tracks

lean mango
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Ye, in my experience anyway when it happens people are excited, they often even pick up the chorus in that performace so they can sing along by the end anyway

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Or the band teaches part of it

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But even if not, it's basically just an alternate way to experience a first listen

indigo nacelle
lean mango
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And being with fans and hearing the band actually playing it for the first time can be really cool

glass flare
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This discussion is absurd

olive plume
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this feels like it’s in the same vein of “i traveled all this way and they didn’t play [this specific song] so why did i bother coming”

indigo nacelle
lean mango
# indigo nacelle Like, you don’t know anything about me. Some people like hearing new music at sh...

Well, you said you've been to thousands of shows, and in the context of this discussion it only makes sense if you're referring to shows by bands you're not in or touring with, otherwise you're just talking about that one band's way of doing it and maybe a few openers.

Assuming you're not just referring to touring, and being conservative on what thousands means, and saying it's one thousand, that's still one show every single day for nearly 3 years

glass flare
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Come on guys, stop that silly debate. It’s worth for nothing.

lean mango
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Anyway, it's not even worth responding to this anymore, this is silly

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Ye

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Well, all this aside, the big thing my theory hinges on is the lack of an opener

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If they announce one then I'll definitely think it's not viable

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To be honest I'm so confused about what they're doing

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I can't think of any promo context where going dead silent right before a tour like this makes sense

glass flare
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It really seems they will stop working with FBR soon… all the delays and other things smell like huge discrepancies behind the curtains

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„logistics“ ya know

lean mango
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It's possible, I hope they'll wait until after this era because breaking away from a label can be a real mess and a lot of band promo really suffers for the next album unless they get another solid deal quickly

glass flare
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Ik what you mean. But finding a new deal shouldn’t be THAT difficult

lean mango
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Ye, not for them for sure

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And at this point in their career it may enable them to have even more freedom

glass flare
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The merch is abysmal to say it politely 😂

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Ty is on a big decision point in their career (not mentioning his family)

lean mango
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Yea, idk why, I think Brandon Rike was still in charge of it so it's a shame it fell off so much from last era

glass flare
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It doesn’t look like Brandon was involved

lean mango
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Was he confirmed as the one that made the cover?

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IDK how to tell who was in charge of it, may be just someone random at FBR

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Wait, this is weird

glass flare
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Looks like lol

lean mango
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Brandon was super cryptic on his post about the cover

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The caption says "much more to come..."

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Could be referring to variant covers but might be something else

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And in the comments he responded to someone asking about the red tape

olive plume
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i think paramore leaving their label caused them to back out of some festivals they had previously signed up to do so i hope the pilots can finish out the current tour (if they do plan on leaving the label)

glass flare
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As a CD for more than 15 years I would think it is not Brandon

olive plume
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i also think they could go independent and do fine (or go on paramore’s new record label 👀)

lean mango
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I really hope so, that would suck

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CD?

olive plume
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creative director, maybe?

glass flare
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Yes

lean mango
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It might not be, but DR looks like his work to me, so does the booklet

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And the merch is mostly using those assets. To me it looks like the style I would expect from him but not the quality

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I genuinely think it's a possibility that incompleteness, something feeling off or missing, was one of the driving concepts this era

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Which would be really weird and risky, but there's been so much of that

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And I'd like to think this band has been around long enough with such a good track record that they wouldn't just fumble so badly

olive plume
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brandon rike posted “much more to come…” when he posted the clancy cover so i thought maybe he was alluding to DR? he hasn’t posted anything else since Overcompensate dropped

glass flare
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Tbh: the DR files are either created in a hurry without a focus on finesse or by a graphic designer who does not focus on absolute quality.

lean mango
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Hm, yea, good point

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Which has never been true of Brandon Rike in the past

glass flare
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Exactly

lean mango
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I doubt the DR would be the much more to come

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They're literally leftovers

glass flare
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Some designs are cool, the majority is … meh

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First I thought it is intended, that NS punk style (also the cover) as if it all is still in the making

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Hinting to more

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But the obvious almost amateurish glitches in the PS mv…

lean mango
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Yea, it's like... it could be intentional but it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it this particular way

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it'd be better if they focused on it more as obvious incompleteness as an aesthetic

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in such a way as to try to make it feel intentional rather than leaving any question about it being a mistake

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but even the recurring scrapbook theme points that way

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like they're taking assets and piecing them together hastily

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the problem being that it results in a lot of merch that people will buy and have permanently that is sloppy

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even if it's the intent

glass flare
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But that was always part of their „style“. Being not perfect, glamorous, DIY style like most of the new mvs

lean mango
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That's true

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but it's never been emphasized as much as this

glass flare
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It’s a bit as if they don’t really know where they should go

lean mango
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TBH, what it really feels like to me, admittedly from a lens of confirmation bias, is that they put a bunch of work into the final album and had so many songs that they were too long for one album, and within a short window of release (maybe 6 months or so), they had the idea to make the "leftovers" a separate album, along with enough from the main story to still move the narrative forward, and hint towards the true finale

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but they did this with too little time left to really execute it smoothly

glass flare
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Same for me

lean mango
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So Overcompensate and Paladin and maybe some others were always intended as major story points with their own music videos

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The problem for me is that at this point, I have no idea how they could possibly execute that

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besides maybe the 2025 thing, but they haven't left themselves in a very good place for that

glass flare
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The timing for all promotional aspects were and are horrible

lean mango
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if it's a fake out somehow with the reveal prior to tour, they're quickly running out of time, and as people mentioned, it's already branded with Clancy album stuff and the Clancy name which doesn't seem to lend itself well to that possibility

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It's a mess, and it's fun to try to think of it from a music promo/industry perspective, but all it lands me on is that a lot has gone wrong and continues to go wrong, no matter what they have planned

glass flare
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I had the feeling that they really want to end this narrative.

lean mango
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It's possible

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My impression from what we've seen from the band so far is that, especially as it's a story Tyler's been telling for years, he'd probably want to do something really special and memorable for this to top everything we've seen throughout the story eras so far

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But I wonder if with being a parent of three some of his steam for that has run out

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Especially with the comments he's made recently about feeling like he's primarily a parent now

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and having just barely enough energy to do what he needed to do to get the album out

glass flare
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I will get banned from this server saying that Tyler is frustrated how it all went out. He is a pro enough to manage this tour, but from the point of a musician, it is surely not that easy to end this decade of storytelling this way.

glass flare
lean mango
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Well, it's not over yet. It's hard predicting anything without knowing how much more there actually is

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but yea, I do think he's probably frustrated

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he's probably also scrambling to try to salvage things

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I haven't wanted to say it, but the silence on social media kind of feels like avoidance to me

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like he bit off more than he can chew and he's waiting to say anything until he feels like it's under control again

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which would explain why it feels like a mini-hiatus

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because for Tyler, it'd be a similar situation, he feels pressure on all sides and he's isolating a bit to figure out how to proceed

glass flare
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Yes, at least I am not the only one who gets banned, lol. Sacrilege! Dude, it’s way to late for me now. I really enjoy your open thinking. Til tomorrow

lean mango
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lol, ye, same!

quartz sphinx
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I enjoyed y’all’s convo! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and some industry insider knowledge.

compact arrow
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The thing about the school calendar.

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Prob should check when Tyler was in school then

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Dates may line up better

shell kite
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i still find that theory so darn weird. Mans hasn’t been in school in over a decade.

devout mango
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Hi @vital arrow ❤️

vital arrow
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I think it’s very relatable though, especially with consideration he could’ve went with his sports scholarship and decided to go with music.

vital arrow
devout mango
shell kite
tough timber
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low-key regret ever bringing up his old school specifically
i haven't looked any further into it bc it sort of started a small argument on here and i decided to drop it after that
anyways the initial idea pertained more to the lyrics in next semester about starting fresh in a new semester/year which led to the thought of considering an academic year vs the calendar year as far as potential new releases or extended/deluxe/double album releases

split island
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quote me on it

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(I really like cake)

plush island
# lean mango Could be read to imply that the finale isn't just after, but very soon after, li...

Or will they wait until the whole tour is over first? I don't want to wait that long either but I think it would make more sense to give Clancy it's own time and letting the excitement settle a bit before dropping the rest of the story. I think we're gonna get something on Trench's birthday and then I think the most plausible thing would be for the ending to drop on SAI's birthday... like two weeks after tour.... I think it's going to take them a little while to finish up whatever comes next, especially if they're giving us videos for all the songs off a potential second album too...

deft geode
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If there is a double album, I'd guess it would either release even later than May 2025 or not have as many MVs because how would they manage filming them all what with all the touring? Unless some videos have already been shot of course but I doubt that

sly hazel
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For the kind of shoot that PS was, you would continue the filming directly from that point on the day

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so very likely they have already filmed and are in the process of editing or already edited the follow up to PS

lean mango
deft geode
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Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for the info

tame tendon
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Think about this though they haven’t said a word to anyone in public since May 24 before they gave us all these clues they’re taking a “mini hiatus” if you will, to make ultimate chapter. The next time we see them in public is their first show. They have to say something about ultimate chapter then so I think they’ll debut or announce the double album there and they’ll release it the next day on the 16 which is also a Friday

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I don’t know if anyone else said that but I’m not making time to go through all these chats

lean mango
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Yea, that was my prediction as well

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And if there's truly no opener, they'll have plenty of time to play lots of favorites and extra new music

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Not to mention, I said in another chat that I think Drag Path is a clue that they're on mini hiatus, hence Tyler not appearing in interviews since then nor saying much of anything

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Same kind if thing as "Tyler is off severing ties with Dema"

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And I think "see you at the show" is saying when the mini hiatus ends

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Since before then we don't see him

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Plus, "the show is a flashback ... reminding us why we fight right before we do" could just as easily imply the night after the first show rather than after the entire tour

tame tendon
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Whatever happens they have to explain what ultimate chapter really is at the first show

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And think about this Clancy has been in the works since they released Scaled and Icy they must’ve had enough time to produce 11 more songs for ultimate chapter

lean mango
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And I do think at the very least they'll give more info

wraith gulch
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It’ll be interesting to see if Clancy ultimus capitulus 25 is still a hint at FPE

worldly wigeon
olive plume
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it should be at the first show and i think that is… august 15th? it’s in denver

marsh matrix
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Anything new?

long rose
rancid gust
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I think we’re gonna have to wait until after the tour to confirm anything :/

lean mango
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Nah, first day, trust

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I have more thoughts but will say in a few mins

tame tendon
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I just realized August 16 is exactly 12 weeks after May 24 that could symbolize 12 more songs being added to the Clancy track list

tame tendon
lean mango
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So, I doubt Ultimus Capitulus 25 will appear. They included it when people had a limited time to be there, and then published it in the Digital Remains, so now everyone has seen it already. If they still want a teaser puzzle I think it will be something different

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However, so far no important clues have been left in anything you have to pay for as far as I know. The DR puzzle is an exception but arguably wasn't planned from the beginning

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What's more likely IMO is that Clancy-era stuff may be included now. DR stuff in person, that kind of thing.

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If so, they might get strong hints or even a reveal about what's coming, particularly in terms of more music or if there are new era aesthetic stuff. If so, this also points to something happening after the first tour day because then the secret will be out

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Otherwise they may limit it to Clancy stuff we've seen so far, but then what's the point in having it last so long? I can't think of much more they could include besides the lounge that would make that really worthwhile

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But I also keep coming back to Drag Path

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Why include this in the DR?

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Now we know it might be hinting towards it coming out later, but why that song?

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If there's really only one more song, that one doesn't sound like a finale at all

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It would have the same issue Paladin being the ending would have, leaving a cliffhanger in the music even if the video shows something else

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I personally think we can rule out Drag Path being the sole additional song coming at some point

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So why include Drag Path in particular in DR?

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It might be the one after Paladin but it might not be, and either way we can't possibly know until it comes out, so it's not exactly the most helpful hint

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But I personally don't think the lyrics reflect where we're at in the story right now. Clancy is seemingly preparing to fight back, the only way for Drag Path to be next is if we basically skip directly to him losing and being captured offscreen

vale canyon
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Drag path lyrics doesn't have any off of clancy in it? Like silver weighted sun having backslide lyrics (i dont remember thr exact lyrics)

lean mango
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Nope, completely separate

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So I see two possibilities here:

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One, Drag Path is actually scrapped and will never be released. But we can be pretty confident new music is coming, so this doesn't make sense, why include lyrics to a scrapped song and highlight it when there's more non-scrapped music they could use as a hint. It would be a major red herring and that just feels pointless

tame tendon
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Drag path is gonna be the real closer to Clancy and no one can convince me otherwise there was a d at the end of the twitter letters

lean mango
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Or two, Drag Path was chosen because of the content of its lyrics, and we're supposed to take the lyrics as a message

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There was also a D early on

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2nd position

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Seems perfect for Clancy losing the fight and getting captured in the opener

tame tendon
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Yeah but if drag path is important enough to tease in digital remains then it must be important

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The last one it has to be

lean mango
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I'm arguing that it is important, but not for that reason

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I think it's important because the lyrics are a message to us right now

tame tendon
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Here’s what I think. Clancy said something about his drag path being different in the I am Clancy video so I think drag path will be the real closer because that’s when his path finally ends

lean mango
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Like I said, it doesn't make sense as a finale because it ends with no resolution, and I don't think Tyler would end the music aspect of the story with Clancy being captured and uncertain of a rescue

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I think it makes more sense to be telling us that right now Clancy is captured

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This is why they're in a mini-hiatus with Tyler not appearing at all and speaking a tiny bit

tame tendon
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Maybe but what if he was being projected by the torchbearer in Nico’s arms, there were four other Clancys in the background in the Paladin Strait MV

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maybe that’s why he could finally look Nico in the eyes

lean mango
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Maybe, but lyrically that doesn't fit with Drag Path

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Drag Path is a song of total helplessness

vale canyon
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There was a discussion about what digital "remains" was, the fact that there are lyrics in them, different song titles and lyrics that weren't used. In DR we see those "remains". They could potentialy lead to new stuff but the silent treatment has been rough haha jkjk
Drag path also relates to the craving lyrics

lean mango
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Being unable to do anything besides putting out a message and hoping it's seen

tame tendon
lean mango
tame tendon
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I guess we’ll see what happens

lean mango
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I think it's going to resolve on a bittersweet triumph, Drag Path is more like rock bottom

tame tendon
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A triumph doesn’t really make sense to me

lean mango
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Keyword is bittersweet

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Remember the lore parallels real life

tame tendon
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If there is a triumph in store it might not be Clancys triumph

lean mango
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Tyler knows that even though people can never fully defeat their issues, they can get much better at fighting them and reach a point where they no longer control their life constantly

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And I'm sure he will want to convey this in the music because TOP's music is all about spreading hope

tame tendon
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Sure but what does that mean for Clancy

lean mango
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I don't think he'd end a story like this on defeat when he knows people struggling with the same things will be internalizing it

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Well, here's my prediction

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I think Drag Path heavily hints towards being captured

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We also have a major hint that as far as I know has never been used, even in Paladin

vale canyon
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Oh?

lean mango
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We also have the 2011 performance which I think was a much smaller version of this same story

tame tendon
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?

lean mango
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Tyler seems to be defeating a group of bishops but they get back up and beat him up, then Josh comes in with a torch and rescues him

tame tendon
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Wait

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Josh would already be rescuing him by projecting him

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Maybe i don’t know

lean mango
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The big hint is that Clancy is tye exception, he can be seized while he's still alive. I don't think this has ever happened yet. He's been smeared but not seized

tame tendon
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Wait

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In his letters he was describing what happened in Jumpsuit as if it was happening to someone else

lean mango
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I don't think Torchbearer can project just anyone. His ability is called Guiding, I think he guides by projecting himself to go with people and show them the way

lean mango
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And honestly I personally think it was a retcon to try to fix an inconsistency

tame tendon
vale canyon
lean mango
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I think it was originally intended to be Clancy witnessing it, but they thought it would be more interesting to have Clancy experience it and then fix it later

tame tendon
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Honestly

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They had the masks and red tape

lean mango
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Clancy isn't the only one who appears multiple times, a few banditos do

tame tendon
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That’s interesting and I hope it’s explained soon

vale canyon
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The weird resolution of the face, the weird animations of people running in the back and yes, the time they had to do a video of that scale

lean mango
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If they got partly done and then realized they didn't have nearly enough actors to convey the army they had in mind, the only choice would've been reusing by then

tame tendon
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But why reuse Clancy in his outfit

vale canyon
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They just used the same people

lean mango
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Because that's the version they had, they couldn't reuse him with a different outfit without that footage

vale canyon
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Including clancy

lean mango
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And they couldn't get reshoots, it was a studio in Poland

tame tendon
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I doubt the multiple Clancys is just because there weren’t enough actors

vale canyon
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You can see the full face in those "clancys"

tame tendon
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Still

lean mango
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Anyway, what I was getting at before is, I think Drag Path is telling us Clancy is captured

tame tendon
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Maybe

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No one said ur wrong about that

lean mango
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This would also explain the mini hiatus, and they've done similar things before

tame tendon
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Wait how does that explain it

lean mango
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Because when Tyler was "off severing ties with Dema" he stopped appearing anywhere after that

tame tendon
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Clancy being captured in the beginning would make sense if he didn’t open his eyes at the end of the MV like what was that

vale canyon
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Tyler working on trench and josh recieving an award saying that tyler was severing ties with dema

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That yes haha

lean mango
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They've used in-lore unavailability to explain real-life unavailability already

lean mango
tame tendon
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Exactly

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At the end

olive plume
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just because he opened his eyes like that doesn’t mean he isn’t being captured there. it just means he won’t go down without a fight

lean mango
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And yea, I just don't think him being captured at the ending makes any sense

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Tyler said it's setting up for him to leave, the destination just isn't certain yet

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He's had the basic direction of the story planned since the beginning

tough timber
tame tendon
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Do you guys remember that music that played while Clancy opened his eyes at the end of the MV? They could be teasing another song there and you know they’ve done it before. At the beginning of the Next Semester MV the last few notes of Navigating play

tame tendon
lean mango
tame tendon
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Exactly but the Navigating music was always in the next semester MV

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And we never knew until the whole album released

lean mango
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yes, I think it's from the next part

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also there's a snippet of piano in the Paladin MV teaser

tame tendon
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I didn’t notice that I gotta look at that later

lean mango
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It has to be pitched up, it's the low rumbles when it's censored

waxen meteor
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double album theory definitely still alive! (replying to earlier msg but i cant find it again)

think this thread (and theories generally) has slowed down simply bc we haven't gotten any new content and many feel they've exhausted what they could do with existing content.

(with that said, i still think it's possible we missed something, especially in DR)

there's a TON of evidence that there is more to come within the Clancy Era, beyond just performing the existing songs live on tour

tame tendon
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That’s why they didn’t announce a set list or opening acts they’re gonna surprise us at the first show with some kind of announcement or debuting ultimate chapter

lean mango
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I don't think they normally post a set list ahead of time tho

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but I'm still with you

sleek pendant
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there is a chance

lean mango
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But also bear in mind TOP have never stuck to doing what other bands do, if they have a weird idea they like they'll make it happen. So "it's not normally how people do it" isn't really an argument for me

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The biggest factor in this theory, for me, is the seeming lack of an opener

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It's not just that if there's no opener, they could do this

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but why would they decide not to have an opener in this era in particular?

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It could be to play more old songs, but does that seem like enough of a reason to justify it?

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Especially if we make the assumption that they're not always going to go this no-opener route from now on

tame tendon
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Here’s what I think I think that while everyone at the first show is waiting, the members of this clique there will get an alert that they released more music, that probably wouldn’t happen but imagining it happening makes it sound crazy

lean mango
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Yea, I doubt they'd do that, they wouldn't want to release new music when people are away and can't listen to it

tame tendon
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Maybe they’ll do another midnight stream between the 2 Denver shows to premiere it. Probably not a stream but they gotta announce it at show 1 and release it next day

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They haven’t given us these clues for nothing

lean mango
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I don't think they have to

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but I def think its likely

tame tendon
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You know what I think that they’ll add some things to the FPE and we’ll find out what ultimate chapter really is from the people who saw it at Denver

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That could possibly happen

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Either way we’re finding out at the first show

tame tendon
quartz sphinx
tame tendon
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Idk if they’d use the Latin version but probably Ultimate Chapter

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Clancy Ultimate Chapter 25 that’s what it’ll be called I hope

olive plume
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i can see it being “clancy’s final chapter”

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or a variation of it

quartz sphinx
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So I love what you guys are cooking with a Denver reveal. Is anyone from theories going to the Denver show?

plush island
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I think we're possibly getting something the day before on the 15th, because Tyler posted the band symbol 5 times. The band symbol is made up of 3 characters - 3×5 = 15

tough timber
plush island
tough timber
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idk I'm excited by the possibilities but trying to not get too excited about any of the potential countdown days after what happened with 6/25 lol

lean mango
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Ye, aug 15th

lean mango
tough timber
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i guess either way we'll find out in either 2 or 12 days

tame tendon
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That Andre thing is cool but I’m leaning toward the concert for the big reveal

glass flare
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Noone seemed to bother but I mentioned Josh’s Spock gesture which forms a V and is 5 in Latin.

plush island
lean mango
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625 is 5⁴

worldly wigeon
lean mango
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Nah, I don't think it's intended, just fun coincidence

compact arrow
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What’s good chat

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This adulting shit starting to get annoying

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Anyways

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Uh anyone wanna give me the tldr from the last month??

lean mango
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TL;DR no real news besides a weird tweet from Tyler and still a suspicious lack of an opener announcement

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Thank you 🤝

tough timber
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i have an unhinged idea that may or may not be anything
we've been trying to see if there's any hidden message or something in paladin strait (either the title or map location)
there was an idea that the "no ai" tweet might mean leave out the "a's" and "i's" leaving us with pldnstrt
just rearranged the letters and got ndplttsr "new drag path leads to the second record" but idk if that's me being overly hopeful or if that might actually be something

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if it means anything we would still have to figure out what the drag path actually is

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we also tried anagrams of the full words but didn't find anything super obvious there

cedar cradle
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This walks the fine line of delusional and genius

indigo nacelle
winged sapphire
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hai any something something something

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um

lean mango
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Not for this

shadow cipherBOT
winged sapphire
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21

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lore

cloud lynx
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im so excited for the tour 😭

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zefrto^zfjozjof

cedar yacht
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blurryface trench SAI clancy clancy 2

deft geode
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Vessel?

sleek pendant
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vessel has been regarded by them as their so called first album so

tough timber
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still holding out hope for the torchbearer album JoshPog

ripe sorrel
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RAB re-release yes please

tough timber
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as cool as that would be i kind of doubt they'd do that

i could be wrong tho

since they initially chose to make vessel with a mix of new songs and rab songs bc they had new stuff they wanted to release right? like if there's more new music written i would expect that sooner than rab rerecordings personally

proven harbor
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I’m not saying that will happen it’s just an interesting connection

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Also in the two vessel ones he says to the crowd. “Are you done yet cause I’m not” and “we’ve got one more thing for you”

tough timber
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I'm still kinda confused by what happened with those 2 live tracks being added and then removed

tame tendon
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They didn’t leave any 6 behind for a clue

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But Sean Clifford I was thinking about your November 14 theory and I found out the Friday after that the 15 is exactly 25 weeks after May 24

olive plume
olive plume
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but since those antlers didn’t make an appearance in the digital remains, we’re still not positive if the six was in direct reference to that. but at the time, we had nothing else to go on, and the workers there made sure exhibit goers paid attention to that particular section of the FPE

sleek pendant
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maybe 6/25 was the original release date for paladin mv but we solved the puzzles a bit too early

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so they had to release it early

olive plume
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that would mean their idea of “early june” (which was in the paladin placeholder) would have been june 25th and i don’t see that making much sense

tough timber
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i mean there was the 6:25 run thing from josh but idk if that was anything or not
and "hello clancy" at 6:25 in ps
i think there were other 6s but i don't remember now
nothing explicitly said 6 25 but there were a few things that we thought were hints

tame tendon
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I’d be surprised if anything happens on June 25 of next year I remember people being underwhelmed when nothing happened on June 25

lean mango
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6:25 + 47:14 also appearing in the next tweet exchange after Josh's insta story

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and 6 antlers around the puzzle at the FPE

tame tendon
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People said that earlier I think

ripe sorrel
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if you look in digital remains puzzle like rn people are talkig about that

vital arrow
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I’m really hoping the tour FPE has new clues so to speak, and more time to look at the lyric pages with the smaller capacity of people coming through. Also hoping we can bring out phones in

plush island
lean mango
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Again there's a new post with only Josh, no Tyler

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I'm 100% convinced they're hinting that Clancy is captured

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and very curious how this could play out at the actual show

tough timber
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where is clancy 😭

slate jewel
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clanch better not be dead again ong 💀💀💀🙏

sly hazel
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I'm wondering if the show is going to legit be like some meta flashback and it's literally meant to be what's going through Clancy's head in that moment with his eyes closed
And if so, then the visuals and storytelling are about to go CRAZY

olive plume
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oh god

sly hazel
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I also find it interesting that if the show is a flashback
You'd think it'd be in order of events? But we know that OC is their new opening song and they said it will be for the next few years

olive plume
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clancy thinking he’s gonna die but he opens his eyes and sees torchbearer standing behind nico

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with a gun

olive plume
sly hazel
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OOoo actually yeah it kinda makes sense
His first thought in that moment being how he is helping others, the other citizens that he is fighting for and teaching and helping get out
That actually fits very well

olive plume
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i did wonder if (after overcompensate) all the songs in the setlist are kinda chronological? so, kinda like an “eras tour” in the sense tyler’s picked songs to showcase the themes they’ve been talking about all this time

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because there’s some songs (like lavish) that don’t get into mental illness like their other songs

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and since trench and dema in itself is synonymous with mental health, i wonder then if those earlier songs they select to play can be added into clancy canon

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i’m not sure though. it’ll be interesting to see for sure, especially with the importance of the setlist they keep drawing attention to

tame tendon
tough timber
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from ig

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that's tyler but we can't see his face so i still think clancy captured/lost/missing/potentially being seized by nico

tame tendon
tough timber
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then on their ig story josh is just vibing

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sly hazel
olive plume
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the thing that will “happen” at the show is that they will perform their new album clancy and that in itself is a big thing we should be excited for

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unfortunately i also am now starting to believe the 2025 thing because this band loves to make us wait

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and it’s always been worth it. in the end

tame tendon
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And also today I was at the market where they filmed Backslide and the cashier told me Tyler wasn’t rly happy while filming just making sure he was left alone that made me think, while Trench was being recorded in secret Tyler was in another state of depression and I’m thinking he might’ve been stressed back then because he’s working on more music in secret

sly hazel
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They've done a bunch of interviews since Clancy came out
Tyler just hasn't really been present in any of them xD

I don't see anything happening for a long while until they start teasing for whatever is happening next year

olive plume
tame tendon
sly hazel
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Pretty convinced they are doing this whole "Clancy is missing" thing which also just helps Tyler stay out of the limelight while he is with his family and also planning everything for tour
This tour has gotta be special for Tyler, if it's specifically a flashback of Clancy's battle, that's a flashback of Tyler's battle told through music
The production is going to be insane and we know Tyler wants everything to be perfect

sly hazel
tame tendon
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Well we haven’t seen Tyler since before we got the clues so I think he’ll at least tell us something at the first show

sly hazel
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Also would not be surprised if they kept the "clancy is missing" thing going for a while through the tour, if it is meant to be all within that split second moment where Clancy closes his eyes in the PS video, then it could quite easily mimick the eye closing - eye opening twitter teasers they did
over the course of the tour Tyler starts reappearing more and more and then teasers kick up more towards the end of tour

tame tendon
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The Clancy is missing thing is expressed by Tyler never appearing and the tour is almost here I don’t think they’d spend a whole year of touring just teasing stuff

olive plume
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ohhhh wait i wonder if they’ll potentially do the sleepers version of some of their songs. i love those

tame tendon
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Also I came up with a theory I think might work. Theyre only bringing the FPE on the US leg of the tour, so we might get some more clues then, and I found out that October 25 is a Friday so maybe after the US leg is over and we see the FPE they’ll give us the last chapter

tame tendon
lean mango
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I personally think the Clancy is missing thing might become a bait and switch at the concert

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Either the first one or all

tame tendon
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That’d make sense

lean mango
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Could either have the show be a flashback as planned and then end with a sort of cut to Tyler being alone and captured

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Or I wonder if it might not start normally at all

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Josh comes out on stage and Tyler doesn't, and they do something with that

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Like a "change of plans" but it was planned all along

tame tendon
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Would they do something like MTV unplugged with Josh singing?

olive plume
# tame tendon What’s sleepers I never heard of that

during blurryface era, they had a series of videos/episodes they referred to as Sleepers and each video was accompanied by a stripped/down version of a song (like message man, hometown, etc.). it directly lead into the hiatus and them “sleeping” and them evoking the “time to wake up” energy for trench

tame tendon
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Nice but where can I hear those

lean mango
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IDK if Josh would sing, I'd expect it to start with some kind of montage of Josh finding him captured somewhere

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But the logistics of that are way harder than the first option

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And the first option is kind of similar to the SAI show

tame tendon
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Either way we’ll never know anything until at least the first show

lean mango
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It just reveals that rather than being the flashback before the fight, it's a flashback from prison where he's thinking back on everything that lead him there

tame tendon
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That makes more sense

lean mango
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Also I think we shouldn't be too quick to take everything Tyler is saying recently at face value, because if there really is something huge to reveal, he might mislead people a bit to keep the secret and make the surprise more impactful

tame tendon
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Maybe

olive plume
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and someone made a video of just the songs themselves (i haven’t watched this video so i’m not sure if the quality is good but i’m sharing just in case) https://youtu.be/oA9OqRgm6aw?si=BfeWFhKq5I8ku97b

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glass flare
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Strange idea I had: the show is presented as a trial with Nico as judge talking between the songs. And Tyler starts his songs as a plea.

lean mango
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I considered that too, I think it's possible

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and you know

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the idea that it's a flashback reminding us of why we fight right before we do would still be true in that case, in a way

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it's a flashback because he's revisiting all of the evidence

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and it's right before he fights because I'm sure he'd be condemned

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or, he's fighting for his innocence, either way it works

cedar cradle
lean mango
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Presumably 11 songs, so not wrong

tough timber
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the only weird thing about nico being the judge in clancy's trial is that i don't see that nico/blurry has a code or anything that would require fairness in judgement

tame tendon
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That’s true but who would be the jury since Clancy killed the bishops

cedar cradle
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Why doesn’t Clancy call Saul? Is he stupid?

tough timber
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if he does get seized and nico forces him to do something really bad maybe it's the reverse and torchbearer and/or the banditos put him on "trial" for all the stuff dema/nico forced him to do? that would be pivoting back towards the sai lore in a way too

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could kind of fit with the torchbearer holy trinity parallels too ig

plush island
plush island
plush island
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I'M SCARED

tough timber
# plush island I'M SCARED

whoops sorry
just where my mind went bc nico as the judge doesn't make sense to me since his verdict would be the same no matter what

proven harbor
tough timber
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not to add on but there was some discussion about the banditos in the navigating mv not looking too happy about seeing clancy again

and they probably wouldn't be super trusting of him after sai 😥

tame tendon
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lean mango
proven harbor
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oh lol

tame tendon
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I’m not that familiar with self titled

modern atlas
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dropping songs on tour would also be hard logistically

lean mango
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Only if they wanted to play them there

viscid geyser
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Death Cab for Cutie dropped an entire album while they were already on tour, they teased one of the songs at the concert I went to and then a couple weeks later they released the new album

lean mango
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Interesting, which album?

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Tyler is notoriously a Death Cab fan btw

viscid geyser
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their newest album, asphalt meadows !!

lean mango
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O nice

lean mango
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I can see it most likely happening one of two ways

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either the album drops in full on Friday and they play music from it in additional to the others

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or it drops after tour

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in the latter case, maybe there will be a single during tour, or two

wraith gulch
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Maybe one new song at the start of every leg of the tour? North American leg, Europe, etc.

lean mango
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It's possible, but that'd be a pretty slow rollout if they did it that way, I'd think they'd be more likely to either end the rollout at the end of the US leg, or do one song as a teaser and the rest near the end

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just so the hype isn't diminished between each

solid whale
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guys why the logo dissapearing

slate jewel
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whart

cedar cradle
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Every show has a mystery song off the double album

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Or second leg of tour the opening song is drag and path instead of overcompensate

ripe sorrel
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EH

rare arch
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haha wouldnt it be so fun if they did a seconf album and instead of releasing it normally we had to find each song like with the paladin strait mv

tame tendon
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I hope we don’t have to work for it this time but this is gonna be like a part 2 of Clancy and it’ll have the real ending

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If they actually release a double album Paladin Strait will move up on my favorite songs list because I won’t even be able to express the brilliance in faking an album closer

proven harbor
lean mango
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(FPE spoilers)

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||They literally added a new character, there's no way there's gonna be a whole new character and there's not a significant amount more||

cedar cradle
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Hold up is double album so back

lean mango
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time shall tell but it's looking pretty good

cloud lynx
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omg???

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lean mango
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There was a new letter addressed to someone named Eliot

rancid delta
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I said it in theories, but what if Eliot is Torchbearer's real name?

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either that, or a new character entirely

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we are so back

silk bolt
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I was just saying in the other one but Eliot unscrambled is the Greek Teloi, which is like the culmination or end of a process which is kinda of cool if he meant that

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Like the culmination of Clancy

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So the letter to Eliot would mark the beginning of the end?

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Oof

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Of Clancy

long rose
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Just random thoughts but. (FPE spoiler)
||WW EE MM = 2424 55 1313||

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It probably doesn't mean anything but I wanted to put it out there in case anyone has any more thoughts on it.

tame tendon
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WWEEMM the letters are rotating and what comes last? 33. Could it be 33 songs? I doubt it but that’s kind of weird

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25 songs I’m still set on that

rancid delta
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what if theres a new letter at every show/some shows and it spells out something after all of them come out

tame tendon
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Maybe

tawdry solstice
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We must escape

open bluff
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I think its definitely "we must ...."

ripe sorrel
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WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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i aint too sure

vital arrow
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I’m thinking there will be more letters at the different FPE’s that will go together

tame tendon
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That might happen I’m excited to see

vital arrow
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I’m sorry for FPE spoilers, but if you’re in double album theories you’re going to get spoiled lol 8 rolls of tape for the bishops, three are “rebel red” 😉

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lean mango
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I doubt the exact number is important, they can't really reliably use that since people will be coming through and using up those rolls

wraith gulch
storm ether
small turtle
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So it looks like tour started and nothing happened regarding new music?

lean mango
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So far, yea, most people thought it would be after tour tho

tame tendon
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We have those notes those could tell us something

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When we get all of them

proven harbor
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These new letters support my November 14 idea even more because that’s when they stop the FPEs

tame tendon
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October 25 is a Friday just wanted to put that out there

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yeah at FPE (spoiler warning bc I'm not sure if we're considering FPE spoilers,) ||there were new partial letters (one written to a new character called Eliot and one signed by another character called Jansen) they were numbered 001 and 008 respective and there are doubled letters indicating a new message||

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i don't think we have to spoiler it bc it's in lore updates and all but idk some people might not want to know

tame tendon
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Yeah I was saying when we get more letters and put them in order we can put the doubled letters in order and get a message

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Also the notes in itself could tell a crazy story

tough timber
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continuation of the above message ||i suspect these are messages between clancy's rebels within dema based on the fact that it's on dema letterhead and how they say "beyond the walls"||

tame tendon
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Yeah this might finally be when the rebels inside Dema make their appearance since Overcompensate

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tame tendon
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I swear as soon as we solve this puzzle with the notes they’re gonna release the ultimate chapter

nimble urchin
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I feel like the fans are the rebels (banditos) we’re all breaking when we go to the show, dress up, support, listen to the music, or create TOP themed works. I am Clancy is TOP sharing the feeling they get when they get to share their work, it’s the same feeling we get when we share the experience here or anywhere. So we actually become Clancy

lean mango
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I hate to say it as someone who believed/made extensive reasoning for the double album theory

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But I'm starting to doubt it

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Now that we're getting these letters, particularly the most recent one with Jansen, I feel like there's a lot more evidence that this will end in this battle

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In which case I doubt if there's enough for a full additional album

lean mango
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Actually, if it follows the Dema banditos primarily I could see it

warm kettle
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Maybe not a full-length album but I expect some new music to put an end to this narrative

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They’ve been telling the story through music for about 9 years now so it would only feel right to end with music right?

wraith gulch
# lean mango Now that we're getting these letters, particularly the most recent one with Jans...

I’m not sure, I still think double (or continuation) album is possible but I hear you. I almost think the FPE letters and the t shirts are more evidence we are getting more than one song to finish this out, I mean they’re really drawing the story out with these by keeping us lore enthusiasts engaged throughout the whole tour with that stuff.

I think not getting more music yet is simply a constraint on how much they can play during tour. They have a whole new album to play, in hindsight dropping a second album right before tour would have made the show like 3 hours long.

Maybe they will drop it after this leg, or this tour, and for when they cycle back around they’ll have that additional music that they can then drop.

I am now feeling more of an EP-length than a full album, though.

tough timber
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i still think the story will continue in some way based on a lot of the evidence we've talked about on here but also now the fpe letters

lean mango
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Yea, I agree on EP length

graceful hill
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Clancy seized for ep

lean mango
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Yea, was thinking about that, Clancy hasn't been seized while alive yet

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But I have to wonder what the numbers that kept coming up mean in that case

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25, 11, 14

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I'm still not convinced we're waiting til 2025, though it is starting to look like more of a possibility, I feel like after this leg or around the time of the Columbus show is more likely

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Concerning the numbers 11, 14, 25: have we already looked into all letter combinations and their possible meanings as abbreviations?
KNY
KYN
NYK
NKY
YNK
YKN

tame tendon
lean mango
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Like 11/14 which is near the end of their gig pause btw US/Canada tour and NZ/AU (which is longer than a month)

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Enough time to prepare something

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Just hopium

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YKN „You know nothing“ lol

wraith gulch
# lean mango 25, 11, 14

Well, if you look at 11 and 14, the U.S. portion of the tour ends on Oct 12 and they take a break until they go to New Zealand on November 17th. So they could release/announce/do something on November 14 (11/14).

I’m of the belief that 25 will be referencing 25 letters and those will be broken up by the 25 cities (multiple days in one city will have fragmented letters like Denver, but ultimately result in 25 completed numbered letters). Not because the tour ends then (it doesn’t), but because the 25th city is Chicago and the 26th is Columbus, which would line up really well with them wrapping up letters the city before Cbus then maybe doing something else lore-wise starting then.

I think it would start to get a little stale if they stuck with the letters for the whole tour, I mean that would be like 37 letters just for the US, not to mention the rest of the world it would add up to a ton. It makes sense to me they would do it for awhile, then do something else, then something else to mix it up and keep us engaged and guessing.

Just a theory.

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tame tendon
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dark ermine
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Hi guys, just found out about this section of the channel (I’m not very good with using Discord lmao), sooo what about this double album/deluxe theory? What do you think about it?

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I made many post on the subreddit about this topic back in May/June during Clancy and Paladin Strait MV releases, I think that IF something is gonna happen (and imho is gonna happen at 90%) we will see something in May/June 2025

modern atlas
dark ermine
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For me the biggest clues to look forward are:

-The absence of music videos from here to the end of the era, which would otherwise end in an anti-climatic way

-The fact that Blurryface's twitter account has reappeared this era and in fact still exists, I'm sure to conclude the story it will be deleted or it will become totally inactive with some sort of last message

-Very simply, the way Paladin Strait's video ended. Anyone who has studied a minimum of storytelling knows that there are very precise rules for conveying a message, and that final sound with that final cut is part of the ABC of rules for a cliffhanger.

storm ether
onyx dust
# storm ether Tshirts?

Tyler has worn white shirts with different prints each show so far. They contained images from the DR and other promo shoots, also parts of clancy letters but also unknown photos

lean mango
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Which part does he wear those shirts on btw?

boreal portal
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oh we back >?

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haven't been in here for ages

dark ermine
dark ermine
lean mango
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All I know is that no matter how I consider it, things still aren't adding up

dark ermine
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As I said some moths ago on Reddit, it’s not anymore a matter of “if”, it’s a matter of “when”

lean mango
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Like, even if there's a double album, why have they handled things like this? New letters at the FPE are something but it feels weird if the plan is to keep that up for an entire year or have a big gap after the US leg

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Their social media is still weird, too

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And if the end is really in 2025, why won't they just come out and say it so people don't keep speculating and being disappointed until then?

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But if it's not in 2025 and it's after the first leg or something, that means tour afterwards is just different

teal compass
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Mark did tell us back at the start of the era that it was gonna be a slow drip of content and that this era was gonna be different, seems like they’re intentionally dragging this era out for whatever reason whether that’s to finish some big project or just to have consistent delivery of lore through the era instead of big drops with massive periods of downtime in between like trench and sai

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This whole era seems to be based around randomly dragging things out and being weirdly inactive so who knows anymore

lean mango
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Do you remember where he said it?

teal compass
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This is the message, the one after it follows up on the full era

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People took it to be about the rollout but my original message was talking about consistent content drops over the full era and then mark went on to refer to the full era in his second message as well

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And a slow drip of consistent content drops describes the era as a whole way better than the rollout since the rollout was practically nonexistent

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Mark was replying specifically to the idea of content being released over the full era as they work through touring and video releases (before we knew about the day 1 video drop)

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We thought we’d be getting videos throughout the era like they normally do but it seems like they’ve replaced that with other content

lean mango
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Ok, my impression in reading that was that he wasn't saying for sure that a slow drip was how it'll happen, but that he wants to lean more towards that style this time around. The second message is def talking about the full era but it reads to me like it's not referring to the drip of content thing, but rather, something else

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probably whatever this ending is

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In other words, at least for stuff like BTS and photoshoot stuff, press, etc., anything Mark has a say in, I think he'll try to spread it out, but that may not apply to Tyler and Josh's specific timeline for where things go

teal compass
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It does seem to be applying so far at least though, we have a message indicating a slow drip that could be ambiguously about the rollout or the full era and we have a rollout very much not being a slow drip and the era very much being a slow drip

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The most convincing evidence to me that they were talking about this being a slow drip era is that we’re currently experiencing a slow drip era lol

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Its possible their plans got completely screwed and everything’s a toss up but it seems like the main issue was delays, and it’s not like they’re releasing delayed bts content behind schedule right now it just seems to be completely nonexistent

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Timeline wise marks message is also after most of the videos were shot so he’d know if he could get bts footage or photo shoots for the others too which is strange

lean mango
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Yea, but I guess my point is that we don't know if that's what he was referring to with the second message when he said something would be different, and I personally think it wasn't

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Also slow drip doesn't necessarily imply dragging it out IMO, it's just about whether the content comes all at once or steadily, the length of time is ambiguous

tough timber
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i hadn't seen that stuff about the slow drip before
i've not actually been on this server that long
it is interesting since we got a whole bunch of stuff really close together
like february, march, april, may, and june there was something going on right? and then relative silence pre-tour and now weird social media + the letters
it feels like something is still coming and they're not ready to reveal what they're up to and/or they just like playing games with us lol

lean mango
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I just can't see them keeping this up for an entire year, it'll be really annoying and feel pointless if they do

tough timber
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I'm not claiming to understand it at all at this stage but it feels like there's so much still saying "we're not done yet"

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idk if that means double album or something else but i am still convinced of some kind of continuation

dark ermine
lean mango
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That's the problem, that's one of the (many) ways they've handled it badly

rancid delta
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another problem with a 2025 date is Blurryface's 10th anniversary maybe getting in the way

lean mango
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because at this point there's no reason to leave it ambiguous if it's happening in a year

rancid delta
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we all know theyre probs gonna wanna do something big for it

lean mango
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And dropping hints for it before Paladin's music video released and we even knew it wouldn't be the end, with 6 multiple times, was bound to lead us the wrong way, and when they saw we were theorizing about June 25th they should've changed the way they were hinting rather than doubling down

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for a fandom they know is trained to dig deep and find the meaning of every single clue, they have to know the way they've been approaching this is just leading us to dead ends over and over again but they've neglected to do anything about that or change their approach at all

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and like I said before, there was never any reason they should've been teasing about something happening in 2025 with the number 25 (ambiguous) a year away so soon after the album dropped

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it's a highly vague clue with almost 0 information even if they confirm it to mean 2025, because that's an entire year

rancid delta
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what if the 25 thing means 25 letters

lean mango
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It doesn't, the most recent letter was numbered 27

rancid delta
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ah

lean mango
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technically still possible but unlikely at this point

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and in fact, I get the feeling they chose the number 27 for this one specifically to debunk the 25 letter theory which was fairly prominent after the second day

rancid delta
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25 has to be important, he mentioned it in snap back, soo

lean mango
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if so, it means they are listening and paying attention

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besides, they've confirmed they watch us try to solve things before

rancid delta
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i still think its just the total amount of tracks in the clancy era as a whole, 13 tracks here, one for craving single version, 11 for whats next

lean mango
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I don't think the Craving single counts, it's not a separate song

rancid delta
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12 then

lean mango
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and there have been enough hints about 14 that I think there might still be one missing from Clancy even if it's a double

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14 and 11 keep coming up

rancid delta
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i see the ending of paladin as a hidden track tbh, it works as one

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just, technically not

lean mango
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But the letters feel like they're hinting that this confrontation in Paladin really is the end, which imo doesn't leave a lot of room for a whole other album

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yea, it kind of is

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but idk if it'd count

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particularly since they've specifically referred to Paladin (as a whole) as "track 13"

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which is another reason to think Clancy might be incomplete

rancid delta
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i kinda hope its not just one track missing on clancy

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that would make my multiple copies of the album obsolete

lean mango
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Well, my theory has been 1 track missing from "Clancy" aka the album we have now, and 11 tracks for part 2, whatever that is

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and then they'll release both together as a 2 disk version

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might make a special edition of Clancy standalone with that one track too, but I hope they don't

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it'd be kind of a jerk move to make copies obsolete like that

rancid delta
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having a set to buy both together would be nice, but i beg for them to make a seperate version too

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i wouldnt want to buy something i already have (looking at you, imagine dragons mercury act 1 and 2)

lean mango
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Also, I'm going to be annoyed if they keep this up and we actually can't piece together anything meaningful until almost the end of the first leg

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if it's going an ARG direction, IMO those are always best when there's variety and a sense of progression

rancid delta
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thats very likely whats gonna happen

tame tendon
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I think it’s kind of cool how they’re doing all this buildup with the notes. I’m confident they’ll release something once we’ve decoded them

olive plume
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not sure if this is relevant but i know the band members are close so i thought i would drop this info here

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blink-182 is dropping the deluxe edition of their album but are calling it “part-2” and they’re selling vinyl where it contains both the standard album and the deluxe tracks and then a separate vinyl with just the deluxe tracks. there’s 8 new tracks

dark ermine
lean mango
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Because everyone knows something is happening, there's no suspense anymore. It's like a mystery series making the solution painfully obvious and then still dragging out the reveal for long after

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We don't know when, but IMO it does more harm than good to leave that ambiguous at this point when we can be almost certain it's still a few months out at least, and could be as long as a year, so there's no reason to have us still constantly speculating on that in the meantime

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it just wastes our precious time and shows us that the majority of the time, there's no point in theorizing about new clues because they won't mean anything until a year later and it will turn out to be something we couldn't have figured out on our own anyway

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it's like a boy who cried wolf kind of thing, in previous eras we were rewarded with our theorizing with new lore drops as a direct result of things we did, even in small ways (finding links and such), or confirmable info

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this time it's been dead end after dead end except for the one time they threw together a puzzle in 2 days because they saw us working together on the digital remains thing

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like legit, i can't think of a single clue they've given us that has actually led anywhere yet this era apart from 2/29 and the DR thing, and they've given us many clues

dark ermine
# lean mango like legit, i can't think of a single clue they've given us that has actually le...

The fact is that this will probably be for a long time the last period of speculation and teasing before a long hiatus and the fact that they have already released Clancy suggests that they don’t want to reveal anything else. The letters we are having for each date of the tour only serve as a context for a larger piece of lore and that continues to entertain fans: the fact that there are no new videos to be released because they all came out on Clancy's release day, in addition to being a big clue to make it clear that there will be more in the future, is also the exact reason why they decided to continue with these letters: to have something to talk about for the rest of the Clancy era.

lean mango
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Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they still sent theorists on wild goose chases repeatedly in the lead-up to tour

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and even now we don't actually have any way of knowing how long we'll be waiting

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could be til November, could be next May

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and idk about anyone else, but I'm busy, I'd much rather take a passive role and just enjoy the lore aspect of these new letters if nothing is happening soon

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but you also have to remember that these letters still come with clues that are seemingly parts in a secret message, or multiple

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they may serve to add to the lore but that's clearly not the only point

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which again, gives theorists a reason to try to piece them together as they get each bit of new info

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so to have to wait for 30 of those for anything, without any confirmation of if they really will need to wait that long or if something will happen sooner, is again, unnecessary and annoying

dark ermine
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I agree that I also don't have time to dedicate myself to deepening these things. But we are talking about the same clique that has deciphered everything they have released in the past. Dema, LoC ARG, Digital Remains...and it works, even today people try to decipher Tyler's t-shirts at live shows and new letters. Simply this time it will last a little longer, and if they can afford it because as I said we probably won't have things like that for a long time.

lean mango
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That's the issue though

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it's annoying to get constant new clues every few days if in the end we literally can't figure out anything with them until they decide to give us a crucial piece in a few months to a year. All of the stuff you mentioned was handled differently and those differences really matter

dark ermine
# lean mango it's annoying to get constant new clues every few days if in the end we literall...

Not necessarily what they are teasing at the moment is in view of a specific date (apart from June 2025 which could be the most likely for now). They are probably simply giving other context for Simon Weil and the Bourbaki Group in general: we only had three letters out of...probably hundreds? Now they don't seem to make sense, maybe in months they will have a meaning that will matter later. It's not like when Dema's site was found, we had Trench's release date. It only served to give a context for what would arrive many months later. It will probably be the same thing now.

lean mango
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We didn't have Trench's release date when dmaorg was found, we only got it a few months later

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and to compensate for that, there was actual stuff to solve with dmaorg

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things to find even when they were small

dark ermine
quartz sphinx
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I’m enjoying theorizing about the letters. The third one was kinda juicy.

modern atlas
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no way they have 3 seperate music drops, 13, 1, 11

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14 11 are consistently appearing numbers

lean mango
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Why not, we have a whole era to go

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I think the next album is a continuation

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if it were a double album it would've dropped by now

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still kinda annoyed cause the marketing literally pushed the idea that this was it

lean mango
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Doubles can drop even a year later, it depends on the branding

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and now they are pulling a part 1 of 2 on us

lean mango
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Mentioned a bit before but Kid A and Amnesiac by Radiohead are a double album and they're not even branded with the same name, and they came out a year apart

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The thing making them a double is that they were made in the same sessions and carry a cohesive tone/concept

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lean mango
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Sure, but that's not what double album means. At least, the definition doesn't limit it to that

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I think it counts if it's in the same era

modern atlas
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for sure but when people hear double album they think double the content

modern atlas
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Clancy is the last era

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lean mango
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Yes, and this is just the beginning of the era. That's what I mean

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Anything could happen from here to 2026

modern atlas
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I think just 1 album

storm ether
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because i doubt they are gonna do different shit at different locations for concerts, gotta say it but a lot of people in this fan base are entitled for some reason and will flip shit if something happens and they weren't there but were at a earlier concert.

lean mango
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Yep, sadly

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And I kind of get it, these songs are so personal

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But people take it too far

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and i have been around for awhile, im talking quiet is violent tour just started when i became a fan

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and man idk what happened but the fan base during this era is starting to remind me of the infamous 2016 clique

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granted not to their level but the entitlement and selfishness is definitely giving off 2016 clique vibes.

storm ether
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I don't think that's ever left

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SAI was pretty bad too

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it definitely wasn't as bad when Trench came out

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it started to arise again mid SAI

storm ether
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I might not be paying as much attention to TOP twitter as much as I was during SAI though so idk

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online at least

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yeah 2018-majority of 2019 was arguably the best time to be a part of the clique

storm ether
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I just know there was a group who went to all takeover shows and I believe mostly got barricade which I think is entitled behavior

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after they blew up from bf btw

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vessel era before they really blew up was also cool

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storm ether
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I don't know much about what the tours were like vessel through trench, my first show was bandito second leg, seating, and I didn't buy the tickets lol

compact arrow
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its how they handle when they dont get barricade

storm ether
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I became a fan with vessel though

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wish I was more interested in going to concerts back then

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modern atlas
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my friend went to a quiet is violent show and it was dope asf

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if you have the $ and time

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then do it

storm ether
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I was gonna do I think the last ERS show in the city I live in now if I was able to find someone who also wanted to go and was willing to pay the fees (which I felt was outrageous at the time despite only being like $120 lol)

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im just bein realistic, i personally wouldn’t but i get why people do

storm ether
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well more like if my dad was willing to send me (my own) money to do so

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yeah clancy ticket prices are insane

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pit tickets for bandito were nowhere near what they are today

storm ether
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At the time it was my first time living out of home for college and my financial aid return money was sent to my dad so he had all my money lol

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No chance I would have been able to convince my dad to let me drop $120+ on a concert

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meanwhile... I'm going to Clancy pit, have FPE tickets, and plan on dropping $200 on merch T_T

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let me just say to get myself, my fiancée and my brother and sister in the pit this year

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4 people including myself

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$700

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DAWG WHAT

modern atlas
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that’s actually cheap compared to prices of pit in other places

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it’s like $200 in some places per person

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wait let me look it up

storm ether
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Hoodie, shirt, poster (gonna be flag this year because no poster), bandana

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yeah so ~$900 for 2 pit, FPE, and merch

cloud lynx
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i suppose they didn't want to basically announce that they're gonna drop another album later, maybe keep the surprise

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but i think it could've been handled better then

dark ermine
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Honestly, the more time passes, the more I see Clancy as the last two Avengers movies. Clancy is Infinity War, the second part will be the real Endgame. The just want to make it a surprise and let us wait a year for Paladin Strait music video cliffhanger

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dark ermine
tame tendon
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Tell you what Fueled by Ramen messed up with promoting Clancy the only real hype behind it is that it’s the conclusion to the lore

lean mango
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They def messed up, the biggest marketing point for it isn't even true and then it's been borderline silence from the label

tame tendon
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Well it could be true if the double album is real

quartz sphinx
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That would make sense for why Tyler tweeted something about “do you want to market our album”

tame tendon
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I don’t know why they’re taking their time with marketing what this album is supposed to be but from what I’ve seen so far the album will only get better

cloud lynx
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the tour is so good tho

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if there's a thing they didn't mess up, it's the tour

tame tendon
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Yeah but something about it seems empty since there’s only 2 of them compared to the last tour with the band

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But I can’t complain the visuals are amazing so far

dark ermine
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Most notably, ||the way they heavily implied they'd be playing rare songs from all throughout their discography, then only bringing in three songs they didn't already play regularly recently out of 30-ish in the setlist, and replacing one of them after night 1||

worldly wigeon
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Fair enough 'complaint'

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I can't make any critiques or complaints about the tour. I haven't been there and unfortunately, I won't be attending any shows. I'm sure the atmosphere there is completely different from watching videos of it

lean mango
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||It also feels to me like they're too stuck in the format they've been using for years. It doesn't make for a bad show, especially for new attendees, but a lot of things are the same (or similar) as when I saw them at the Bandito tour like 7 years ago||

worldly wigeon
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||I hear Josh is singing more than usual! ha||

lean mango
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Yea, there are a few things that still make this show really special

compact arrow
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fair

lean mango
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I still want them to do a double album where we have to find each song individually in an ARG

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If they were ever going to make an album like that it'd be now IMO

tame tendon
lean mango
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I'd say as part of the FPE notes

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if they were going to go that direction I think they'd do so over the course of a year, or at least a few months, and probably let us find one song every few weeks using stuff found along the tour

tame tendon
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I think once we piece together every FPE note they’ll release the whole thing

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But that’ll take a while since we have note 27 and only one note between that and 1

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I was saying that they’d do 30 notes before they’d get to Columbus and present the hometown crowd with the final puzzle and so far we’re on the right track

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Somehow I find it suspicious that the only shows that still have FPE tickets available are the 25th and 30th

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Shows not dates

lean mango
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Probably just didn't sell out yet

tame tendon
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Yeah but it’s strange

lean mango
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Also the 34th has them available

dark ermine
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Honestly I don’t think we will see a new album BEFORE the end of the tour. If something comes out during the tour, people would like to hear new songs live and that wouldn’t be fair to people which already attended to the shows. June 2025 is still the most obvious date to me.

lean mango
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I'd agree, but they've changed songs between legs a few times

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not sure if they would with completely new music

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but I never got to hear Chlorine live

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and afaik they added it in the next leg while still on the Bandito tour

dark ermine
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Yeah, but that were songs still from the same album. In fact, I think that during this tour (probably for the european leg) we’ll see also Snap Back and ATROFD. I just don’t see filling up this tour also with the second part of Clancy. For this reason I think there will be another tour just like with Blurryface and SAI era.

lean mango
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I do think that makes the most sense in terms of the setlist

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but I'm not confident on that because we've been told that there will be a lot we don't expect during this era

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and I'm not sure if that's simply additional music later, or something else

tame tendon
tame tendon
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For this tour

lean mango
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yes, to be clear this is not me confirming/denying whether it's on the setlist, I'm just saying when I went to the Bandito tour show Chlorine wasn't there but was added later

tame tendon
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I know

cloud lynx
storm ether
teal compass
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|| the backing band is probably the biggest switch up in style they’ve ever done for a tour and that also received generally negative reception ||

tame tendon
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The backing band received bad reception?

teal compass
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Generally the vibe was “this isn’t bad but I’d prefer only Tyler and Josh” from the majority of the fan base

tame tendon
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What does that mean like they don’t want an opener?

teal compass
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For takeover and icy Tyler and Josh had other musicians on stage with them playing twenty one pilots songs, their normal shows are just Tyler and Josh with electronic support

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Which people weren’t super satisfied with

tame tendon
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Especially the bassist he was good

teal compass
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Yeah I never really minded the backing band too much it was a really cool idea

slate jewel
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they're good, but people wanted just tyler and josh

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I think the backing band was pretty awesome

tame tendon
teal compass
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It did kinda diminish the role Josh played in the show and kinda felt like Tyler + his backing musicians instead of Tyler and Josh + backing musicians but that’s my only critique

tame tendon
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But still awesome

storm ether
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and I did like the backing band

storm ether
dark ermine
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I just found about the potential November release date for the double album or something similar, what do you think about it?

shadow cipherBOT
tame tendon
dusty kiln
tame tendon
# dusty kiln ?

Someone theorized that ultimate chapter could be on November 14 because of 14 current songs 11 upcoming ones

dusty kiln
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oh?

dark ermine
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I thought there were other reasons

olive plume
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november 14 is a thursday so it would technically drop the 15th, if they’re going to do a friday midnight release, like what’s standard

tame tendon
olive plume
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we don’t even know for sure if we’re getting 11 more songs. that’s just wishful thinking

tame tendon
olive plume
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all of this is wishful thinking void

dusty kiln
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yeah

dark ermine
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8311 was the code to unlock the PS MV teaser right? Maybe it’s a hint?

tame tendon
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No it was 8325

dark ermine
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oh ok

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25 again

tame tendon
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Exactly

dark ermine
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mhh idk

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I still believe in June 2025

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It makes sense because the end of the tour

tame tendon
dark ermine
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I don’t remember exactly why

tame tendon
dark ermine
olive plume
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in the original FPE, where the clancy ultimate/final chapter 25 was on display, six sets of antlers were around it

dark ermine
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Also, “Hello Clancy” in PS is at 6:25

tame tendon
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That might be a stretch I don’t think they’d make us wait a whole year

dark ermine
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To be fair, I'm sure we'll have to wait until at least 2025 but thinking about it I'm not sure if it's actually in June because there are more clues that refer to the year in general, not to the month. June is probably more likely because it will be the first month without shows, ideal for dropping a new project and announcing the second tour.