Double Album Confirmed

[fallow violet]

they don’t need to address something that we as fans literally just theorized about, if it made you genuinely upset it’s fr time to close the app

[weak swallow]

i didnt even think something would happen today but i think its just continuing from "early june"

[rancid delta]

june 2025 is a whole year from now. not 2025 in general

[vale canyon]

that was dirty haha

[tired halo]

I completely agree

[rancid delta]

also if it is a double album or continuation in general, if it comes OVER A YEAR after the original part i dont think i would ever consider it a part of the same project

they would be their own things

[tired halo]

Yeah that would just be surprise album at that point

[rich pewter]

claim your clown badges here 🤡

[rancid delta]

which also makes clancy false advertisement as its clearly not the end

[tired halo]

Did they ever say it was “the end” ?

Or did we just get crazy 😅

[rancid delta]

(even though it almost wasnt advertised at all. you really dropped the ball fbr)

[weak swallow]

on streaming apps it was

[rancid delta]

literally yes

[weak swallow]

the album cover also kind of implies that with bf burning

[rancid delta]

"the end of our story weve been building for nearly a decade"

"does it SOUND like the end??"

man is a troll

[tropic oracle]

oh something is coming ofc

[vale canyon]

"early june"

[fallow violet]

what has paladin got to do with 6/25 theories? i was getting upset about paladin too because they specifically gave us an official timeframe and were quiet, but it’s clear now that it was delayed and they most likely couldn’t talk about it because a bigger studio was involved, they noticed us doing the puzzle, probably felt bad for being quiet and made the premiere fun for us with the blurryface tweet.

[tropic oracle]

i think im a 2025 truther now

[rich pewter]

i guess paladin strait is a good enought ending anyways

[rancid delta]

"our next album after SAI will wrap up the story and tie it up into a bow. it will be our most lore heavy album" : has less lore than trench, except for the paladin and overcompensate music videos i guess

[rich pewter]

it has way lesser lore

[weak swallow]

paladin doesnt have anything to do with it, but if it wasnt delayed, or they had said that it was delayed, then people would just be like "oh i guess 6/25 wasnt the date" rather than being frustrated at all

[rancid delta]

navagating MV was underwhelming lore wise despite being a really nice video. josh not being real was like the only thing there

[tired halo]

Scaled and icy has more lore than Clancy 😂

[burnt scarab]

so basically nothing happened?

[rich pewter]

walking.... walking... omg josh isnt real????

[wraith gulch]

Yeah, nothing happened.

[rancid delta]

literally

[burnt scarab]

epic

yeah navagating was my blood 2

[weak swallow]

i dont think the issue is with people being wrong i think its just how this rollout has gone generally and this was kinda the last chance to redeem the weirdness

[rich pewter]

not really

[burnt scarab]

MV wise

[rich pewter]

the songs themselves are different

[fallow violet]

i guess i’m not following what you’re implying but it’s probably because i never thought 25 hints were connected to paladin mv release in any capacity

[rich pewter]

yeah

ig they are in that way

[burnt scarab]

you know what a brotha meant

https://tenor.com/view/iqzeusqi-gif-2881579087136669031

scaled and freaky

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-i-dont-really-feel-like-it-sleeping-sleep-no-thanks-gif-5384362

tyler deciding whether to tweet or not

[vale canyon]

i was all hyped with that fake description in tyler twitter

[weak swallow]

im saying that this rollout has been generally strange and a lot of people wanted an explanation as to why and so came up with 6/25 as an explanation as that was the "better rollout". so when nothing happened people were forced to realise that it was just weird with no explanation and nothing coming for the foreseeable future

i hope that makes more sense 🙏

im terrible at explaining myself 😭

basically its just the weirdness of this rollout making people crazier than they would be if it was a normal era

[rancid delta]

if there is still absolutely nothing a week from now regarding this i will genuinely be kinda mad

[rich pewter]

maybe tyler fell asleep

[fallow violet]

i guess i might be in the minority that doesn’t see much wrong with it especially after seeing this whole album through, i found it weird before its release but now im understanding more and more of what they are trying to do with this album, what its themes are, and im absolutely just loving it, im super excited about the lore not being over yet and just excited what they have planned for us, kinda upset many people aren’t as excited but i can’t fault them for that ig if they really feel like that

[rancid delta]

not forcing them to make a whole album in a week obvi, but we need clarity

what. happened.

[weak swallow]

probably best to accept that its june 2025

[rancid delta]

still doesnt make any sense though to tease it now

do it during the tour

[weak swallow]

yeah i dont really get that either, seems strange to advertise that it wasnt over even before paladin

[rancid delta]

hell were still waiting for the tour to start it will be a while

[tropic oracle]

fell asleep at they keyboard

"sorry guys nothing is happeningaerpogjinpiujernhgpiuoejnrgioujaenrgkiujkergnbloikseujhrbngoilk20937854yh9r58oh2r3w"

[rancid delta]

we got a whole month and a half before the tour starts

[burnt scarab]

I got racks

[rancid delta]

couldve teased 2025 stuff during the tour but no

gotta do it a whole year in advance

weird

[weak swallow]

i feel like right after paladin wouldve been a good time to tease 6/25

[rancid delta]

very bad marketing decisions. i cant tell if its the boys' fault or the marketing department in this particular case.

either way they dropped the ball

[rich pewter]

publicity for clancy has been terrible

[tired halo]

I’m with you

[weak swallow]

i think teasing 625 right after clancy dropped made people who were already very excited get even more excited because they thought they were getting more great songs almost immediately

[rancid delta]

they shouldnt have had something with a date on it

[fallow violet]

i find it funny that i just didn’t see a reason to put all my hopes and dreams into 6/25, i was suspicious of it and wondered if anything happens, but we never got anything that for sure suggested something is gonna happen or else the whole rollout is a failure. don’t you think it’s a little too much to be that dramatic over a date that was literally just a theory? it is supposed to be fun, we theorized, turns out it was nothing, we move on and laugh about it. like i mean this genuinely out of concern if this upset you (anyone) its time to take a break

[rancid delta]

that sets expectations

[rich pewter]

maybe 6/25 was a deadline for ps mv

[rancid delta]

that theyre gonna make it (they havent made any of their deadlines this era istg)

delusional theory: 6/25 thing got delayed a week just like the album did

because yes

[tired halo]

Dude it’s literally just a date. It could mean anything. They never promised anything with 6/25

The whole point is that it’s a THEORY it’s not guaranteed

[rich pewter]

clown badge time

[weak swallow]

i honestly didnt think 625 was anything until right now when its kind of obviously june 2025 im just trying to understand why people are so confused/disappointed

i think people clung onto 625 so much because it was like a return to form almost

[rancid delta]

no but they actively kept hinting 625 while twiddling their thumbs

extremely mean

[tired halo]

So then June 2025 ? Oh well

It’s not their fault we got it wrong

[rich pewter]

the bad ending: new music 625 days later

[weak swallow]

with the cryptic teasing in the fpe and DR people just wanted dmaorg 2

[rancid delta]

i cant see it in june 2025

blurryface's 10th would get in the way marketing wise

[tired halo]

Okay and that’s your personal theory

[rancid delta]

only a month prior

watch fbr market the shit out of blurryface's 10th becuase its popular and will make them easy money

[tired halo]

We all have theories. But they’re just THEORIES, ideas, thoughts, beliefs. Not rock hard facts

[rancid delta]

but nothing for clancy because reasons

[rich pewter]

what does fpe stand for this era?

[tropic oracle]

i tried saying this and made some1 leave the server

i feel bad 💔

[fallow violet]

maybe if not everyone feels that way about 625 just maybe that says something about the validity of 625… i don’t understand what’s the big deal about us reading into things wrong, it happens a lot of times that’s how theories work ? it’s okay ?

[tired halo]

Don’t feel bad, it’s not your fault how people react

[rancid delta]

they knew people were getting their hopes up and chose silence

im content with clancy despite it not being what they said it was

[rich pewter]

[weak swallow]

also kind of like revealing that all of the strange ads and weird dmaorg non signed clancy letters was caused because they were hiding a huge amount of lore in a second album lol. but idk i never really assumed 625 was anything concrete i just wish they communicated better so that so many people werent left disappointed rn

[rancid delta]

but i cant help but be frustrated

[tropic oracle]

i was just trying to keep everyone optimistic !!! kinda upset with how they talked back to me but eh

thank u though :]

[rich pewter]

im still a lil disappointed with it but its still a banger 🔥

trench 2 wouldve gone crazy

[rancid delta]

i will be listening to these songs for the rest of they year. im not mad about it not happening. im upset about them not doing anything to lessen our hopes despite knowing about it

[tired halo]

Honestly, I was reading the messages. Some people just believe they know Tyler personally and hold him accountable for things he doesn’t and cannot control. Just brush it off, intense fans are in every fandom

[tropic oracle]

oh tell me about it lol

[tired halo]

Starting with overcompensate made it feel like trench 2

[tropic oracle]

life is strange fans are rabid

[rancid delta]

This tweet means nothing now

Might as well delete it

Just like blurry

[rich pewter]

EXACTLY

[fallow violet]

how are they responsible for you theorizing something wrong i just don’t get it

[rich pewter]

oc feels so different from the rest of clancy

[rancid delta]

They are master trolls

[tired halo]

They’re not our parents dude

They’re not responsible for our feelings

[weak swallow]

i mean he kinda does control it, josh went for a run that was 6.25 miles and paused paladin at 6:25 literally right after they teased it in the FPE

thats the one thing that kinda confuses me

[rancid delta]

They knew exactly what they were doing

[weak swallow]

why tease it so much if its in a year? why not just say 6/25 and leave it at that

[rancid delta]

I have the right to be upset about their awful marketing tactics

[tired halo]

WHY NOT ?

[tropic oracle]

are sure its a date

[hasty swallow]

Because thats how you generate excitement for the future

[tired halo]

Who says they’re not proud of a surprise album next year ?

[tropic oracle]

like was that ever confirmed

[weak swallow]

because its a year away and after their tour

[tired halo]

Boo hoo you can’t wait a year?

[fallow violet]

and what about it

like

[weak swallow]

teasing it so soon and so much just feels weird, like they cant wait to get this tour over with and start touring the next one

[tired halo]

I mean, tv shows and movies get announced way way earlier than a year

[wraith gulch]

I think it’s important to note a couple things.

Just because some (like myself) believed in 6/25 doesn’t mean we staked our whole lives on it. You can believe a theory is possible and likely to happen and also manage expectations and be ok.

It’s also ok to do that and be a little frustrated in the interim. Maybe frustrated is not even the right word? More of a “ok so that theory wasn’t right, that’s frustrating, now what?”

Also, there’s been a lot of grouping with what people believed may happen. Some thought whole album drop, some thought a song, I thought any of those things but probably just an announcement for whatever is next would also be possible.

People have expressed frustration with the general rollout, this is more of the same and we’d be fine tomorrow. Heck, I’m fine now. I’m not mad at anyone. But I think it’s also important to let people vent to each other a bit.

I feel like there is just a bit of assigning of feelings that simply don’t exist or at least not to the degree you fear is happening, and if someone is saying that no they aren’t actually mad, just take them at their word? Or show some empathy. “That blows 6/25 didn’t work out, hopefully we get something soon.” Or something along those lines.

I’ve rewritten this like three times so sorry to ramble on, but basically just trying to say it’s all good, let people vent, we’ll be good tomorrow after we get it out of our system. ❤️

[rancid delta]

A whole year, heck more than a year in advance is ridiculous to start teasing new music

A few months maybe

[weak swallow]

yeah and nobody likes it when that happens 😭

[hasty swallow]

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen

[weak swallow]

all im saying is its strange

[rancid delta]

Tease the thing when you're actually on the tour. Not two months before it

And then radio silence

[hasty swallow]

We can still anticipate something to come, and it doesnt have to mean we were misled

[weak swallow]

no idea why youre being so aggressive lol

[tropic oracle]

2025 is still crazy good !!!!

like we dont have to wait an extra two years ?!?!?

[rancid delta]

Better than waiting 3 years that's for sure

[tropic oracle]

thats so cool if its true

[rancid delta]

Still frustrating how this all ended up

[hasty swallow]

People would also get mad if they went radio silent with nothing on the horizon. No tour, no teases, but we have all that

[rancid delta]

Could've been really easy to just not tease something as a date. Could've had letters that said "more" or something

[weak swallow]

theres no real need to tease anything yet, we already knew paladin wasnt the end because it literally doesnt end

[rancid delta]

It doesn't even repeat. The cycle wasn't there

[fallow violet]

i honestly find it funny how some of you think they blatantly lied to us about something as if tyler hasn’t been saying the final battle is later after the album and that the ending is teasing something like way before clancy was even leaked

[rancid delta]

It's definitely not the end

[fallow violet]

so ending paladin with a cliffhanger isn’t a real reason to give us a hint ?

[rancid delta]

Not only does it not end, it doesn't even follow the cycle

[hasty swallow]

Because the cycle is meant to be broken

[rancid delta]

And what to do with it now but continue?

[weak swallow]

not really a cliffhanger kind of means something else is coming

the music video ends with a rising noise and cuts off

[fallow violet]

that’s literally what a cliffhanger is 😭

[hasty swallow]

The end of the ps video very much teases that he is still working to break that cycle

[tropic oracle]

yeah its a cliffhanger

but we dont know to what obv

[weak swallow]

yeah so why did they already tell us that paladin wasnt the end before it even came out

[tropic oracle]

whats coming or when

[tired halo]

Honestly paladin strait could be the end.

[tropic oracle]

we just gotta buckle up

[weak swallow]

for all we knew the paladin mv wouldve solved the lore

[hasty swallow]

They didnt tell us it wasnt the end. They teased it

[tropic oracle]

it could be but it does not feel like it

[rancid delta]

Honestly they should've delayed paladin to 6/25

[tired halo]

One of those “it’s up to you to what the end is”

[tropic oracle]

can u imagine if it is 😭

[rancid delta]

Would've at least been something then

[tropic oracle]

people would get so mad

[tired halo]

Womp womp to them 😂

[weak swallow]

"clancy final chapter 625" doesnt scream 'subtle tease' to me

[rancid delta]

Not subtle at all

[tropic oracle]

i would be upset but its not a big deal

[hasty swallow]

None of those words say "paladin strait isnt the ending"

[fallow violet]

why not, it was exciting and funny to me, sent me into excitement over what awaits for us

it was like what does that meaaan i’m so excited to find out

[rancid delta]

"Does it SOUND like the end??"

[weak swallow]

i just feel like it wouldve been more exciting to do that right after paladin, then maybe people wouldnt be upset rn?

[rancid delta]

Clearly he was hinting about ot not being the end

[weak swallow]

like spending those weeks thinking the paladin mv would give us the ending

[rancid delta]

Sure as hell doesn't sound like one

[weak swallow]

then it doesnt

then we get clancy final chapter

[hasty swallow]

Yeah. He cant hint at whatever he wants. Doesnt mean he confirmed it

[fallow violet]

yeah it could’ve been some metaphorical end if they weren’t blatantly hinting towards more

[rancid delta]

Yeah. Didn't mean he didn't confirm it either. We can play these semantics games all night

[tired halo]

If I ignore the hints, I could be happy with this ending. They’re hinting at something for sure I just don’t know what

[fallow violet]

how does that change anything it’s still the same info, after hearing paladin it just made more sense

[hasty swallow]

No it very much means that, im not trying to play semantic games

[tropic oracle]

can we get like a marvel ending "banditos assemble" and then they have another big fight

and clancy fades into dust

[hasty swallow]

PLEASE

[weak swallow]

because we've already seen that they can do a music video that extends far beyond the song with the outside, and there wasnt anything telling us that paladin wouldnt be some crazy 20 minute video that explains everything

[tired halo]

My belief is that paladin strait video is equivalent to marvel infinity war. We need our endgame

[hasty swallow]

Amen

[rancid delta]

We never saw the dema on fire stuff

[weak swallow]

but teasing something post paladin just tells us not to expect an ending from paladin which in turn made me personally less excited for the video knowing it would end on the same cliffhanger

[rancid delta]

Most we got was a bonfire in navigating

[rich pewter]

fr

we still have an army of red banditos we havent seen since oc

[rancid delta]

Album cover: fire. Songs: cold

[fallow violet]

well i didn’t spend those weeks thinking that because there wasn’t anything that suggested that would happen, tyler said later after the record, i take paladin mv as part of the record, i didn’t see a reason for there to be some kind of short film or anything beyond just the song itself

[rancid delta]

Not even the same cliffhanger it had a synth sound at the end lmao

[hasty swallow]

I spent the whole time thinking it would be the end. I felt it in my soul

[rancid delta]

Willing to bet that's a new song

[tropic oracle]

this is a hard lesson for everyone to not get hopes up i fear

learning lesson

[hasty swallow]

Truth

[weak swallow]

paladin was literally one month after the record so its justified to think that it would be the final battle

[fallow violet]

how are you gonna compare 30 extra seconds of silent scenes in the outside with a 20 minute short movie explanation. thats absolutely not the same and definitely not something i thought they would pull off, since they’re a music band at the end of the day

[rancid delta]

Maybe they shouldn't blatantly tease something so much then

[weak swallow]

?? the outside mv is twice the length of the song??

[tropic oracle]

never teased june though

they are teasing something

but it clearly was not today

[rancid delta]

Then why are you expecting June 2025

Why believe anything their marketing say anymore

[hasty swallow]

Omg just like the song

[rancid delta]

You have hopes too

[fallow violet]

yess it was so funny to me when i realized its almost exactly like this

[rancid delta]

Watch those get squashed

[rich pewter]

[hasty swallow]

Because theyve yet to lie

[tropic oracle]

oh my god new theory ?!?!?!@?
!@

[weak swallow]

?

[hasty swallow]

Omg wait

[weak swallow]

"early june"

[rich pewter]

wrong this wasnt a lie

[hasty swallow]

Apologies, maliciously misdirect

[rich pewter]

the way to find the mv was already there

[weak swallow]

not really

[cedar cradle]

we were such 🤡

[rancid delta]

Nothing after the 15th of June could ever qualify as early June

[tropic oracle]

yeah this was more a mistake

[weak swallow]

it was impossible to find the mv before bf tweeted

[rich pewter]

🤡

agreed

[tropic oracle]

ppl make mistakes

[weak swallow]

so they couldve corrected it at any point?

[vale canyon]

Can we somehow know when an internet page was created?

[weak swallow]

they didnt need to give us specifics or anything just "sorry guys it wont be early june like we planned"

[rancid delta]

Some of yall are so passive aggressive my god

[hasty swallow]

They certainly rectified the title to no longer say "coming early june". I know the placeholder video itself still had it but its not that bad

[weak swallow]

we didnt have the violation code to the website before bf tweeted

[fallow violet]

im not saying they added 30 seconds to it, i’m saying it has like 30 second long short silent movie scenes in between and that it’s not comparable to some imagined version of a 20 minute short movie music video,

[weak swallow]

yeah but i was just exaggerating for what couldve been realistic or not

[tropic oracle]

we had to wait like a week

[weak swallow]

we had no way of knowing that paladin wouldnt be some strange video with acting and talking, they already broke that barrier with i am clancy, so it wouldnt even be a huge stretch really

[tropic oracle]

its not a big deal

[rancid delta]

They addressed the album delay rumors within 24 hours

[tropic oracle]

i think its cool how they saw us doing the puzzle and incorporated it into that :[

[rancid delta]

Nothing here

[tropic oracle]

shows they care

[weak swallow]

yeah its not the week wait

[rancid delta]

Maybe they DID want something to drop today but couldn't for some reason?

[weak swallow]

it was just the fact that the album delay was confirmed with a video but paladin was just nothing at all

[hasty swallow]

The fact of the matter is that if new music is coming in an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, its still coming

[tropic oracle]

yeah maybe they just had no idea when it would be done

[graceful hill]

I don't think 25 was a stretch but I think 6 may have been

[rancid delta]

This band sure loves being in limbo and missing all their deadlines

[tropic oracle]

or were so busy with finishing it they could not say much

[weak swallow]

but they didnt have to give us a replacement date which is what i mean

[graceful hill]

We literally went "six pairs of antlers, ah yeah that means june"

[weak swallow]

just literally "its delayed sorry guys"

[fallow violet]

i’m expecting 2025 because they officially gave us clancy ultimus capitulus 25 and tyler said the tour concept is memories before the final battle. i’m sorry but this info is much more reliable than counting how many words they tweeted and what time it was

[graceful hill]

Literally could've been clancy final chaptern25

[rancid delta]

"Sorry guys just a litttttttlllle longer"

But nah

[tropic oracle]

yeah its just like oh well though?

shrug and move on

we have it now

[rancid delta]

"Oh well though"

Wow

[tropic oracle]

its literally just a week delay on a mv

[rancid delta]

Acting like I can't be upset

[hasty swallow]

You can absolutely be upset

[tropic oracle]

no im not but u are making it seem like a big deal

i was upset too !!

[fallow violet]

because we weren’t supposed to find it they just made the release fun for us, they worked with a big studio in this and couldn’t just say anything like they could when they just worked with mark on videos

[tropic oracle]

well more a little sad

that went away quick with the puzzle though

got so wrapped up in that

[rancid delta]

It is kinda a big deal. They could've said something, ANYTHING, that would've made us all chill when nothing happened yesterday

[weak swallow]

yeah i know, it was just weird they were super upfront with the album delay but said nothing on twitter while still being active

[fallow violet]

i thought so too but then after the antlers weren’t reflected in the digital remains i just assumed they weren’t that relevant so i just stayed with the 25 hints only

[rancid delta]

They didn't HAVE to tweet anything. But it would've been nice

[tropic oracle]

if this is a big deal to you thats kinda concerning, like not trying to throw shade but like yeah

[hasty swallow]

Im sorry you were inconvenienced /gen

[rancid delta]

Big deal because of obvious teasing that leads to nothing

[weak swallow]

like he had the app open on his phone and saw the confusion and just thought "yeah im gonna like this instead"

[rancid delta]

And more nothing

[hasty swallow]

It didnt lead to nothing if the journey isnt complete tho

[rancid delta]

And now they're private which makes it even more ridiculous

They should've just never used something that could interpret a date as a form of teasing

This whole thing could've been avoided

[tropic oracle]

but its not their fault

[hasty swallow]

One way or another, someone is crazy enough to pull a date out of ANYWHERE

Whether they put it or not

[tropic oracle]

they aren't magic, cant assume how we will take it

[fallow violet]

i found it weird too i too was getting upset over the silence because they were the ones who officially gave us the timeframe of early june, but i adored the way they joined us with the puzzle so i think there is a normal explanation for why they couldn’t tell us about the delay, and it being done by a bigger studio makes sense to me

[tropic oracle]

this too

people will look for what they want

[rancid delta]

It's not their fault people got their expectations up, no. It kinda is their fault for not addressing it properly and instead let it happen

[tropic oracle]

regardless of what it is

[cedar cradle]

why didnt mark tell us anything tho

[rancid delta]

Instead he just tweets about nuts

[hasty swallow]

I doubt mark had the proper go aheads to tell us anything

[rancid delta]

So funny

Yes

[vale canyon]

it was in the 404 er_rror page

[hasty swallow]

I laughed

[vale canyon]

and the page of all the clancy letters

[weak swallow]

yeah the fact that they tried to make it into a thing for us was very sweet but i still wouldve appreciated something that told us it was delayed before we had to find out the hard way lol

[weak swallow]

the new violation code

not clancys code

103 37 or something

[vale canyon]

thats why i want to know when it was created

[weak swallow]

we couldnt have gotten onto the paladin teaser without bf tweeting

[vale canyon]

if it was created shortly after DR was out or after BF tweeted

[weak swallow]

so it was probably created that day

[rancid delta]

Paladin should've been delayed to yesterday. At least then we would've had something

[fallow violet]

someone here found it was created i think 21st ? definitely after blurryface deleted sai tweet and after we started the puzzle

[weak swallow]

because it was literally impossible to find ourselves

[rancid delta]

I would be way less disappointed had ANYTHING happened today

But no just tweets about nuts

[weak swallow]

thats technically something tbf

[fallow violet]

not sure about 21st but i know it fit the timeline of bf being active and us doing the puzzle being earlier than the websites existence

[rancid delta]

Yeah and I woke up and had a wonderful lunch. That happened too.

[fallow violet]

so most likely we would’ve gotten BF activity anyway they just decided on a whim to do it through the puzzle

[tropic oracle]

are there any countries rn here its still the 25th

[rancid delta]

I really hope that when all this dema stuff is over they can stop with all the cryptic stuff. "Will this happen or not, who's to say!!! Oohhhh!!"

[tropic oracle]

imagine hes waiting on those LMAO

[weak swallow]

LA??? maybe

but if anything was gonna happen it wouldve been 1pm ohio time

[tropic oracle]

oh yeah its 11pm there

[hasty swallow]

Thats where the fun is for me personally

[tropic oracle]

nah nothing will happen today it was a joke

[tropic oracle]

exactly !!!

cryptic stuff is so fun

[rancid delta]

There's a way to be cryptic and not be like"will this thing happen or not"

[weak swallow]

it wasnt bad in previous eras tbf

[tropic oracle]

way more exciting than other bands

[weak swallow]

it was just bad because we already had 229

so people assumed it was 625 june 25th

because it wasnt feb 2029 lol

[tropic oracle]

its actually 625 days after clancy

strap in guys

[weak swallow]

[fallow violet]

we never got 625 in the same way we got 229 anyways

[hasty swallow]

Oh boy im strapped!

[rancid delta]

I love how the Trench rollout was so cryptic but also DIDN'T have any "Will they won't they" stuff. Just cool birds, a cheetah post and cool clancy posts and stuff to decipher

[fallow violet]

229 was in the official dema letters and 625 was.. in tweet timings and word counts

[tropic oracle]

no yeah the 6 is a massive stretch

[hasty swallow]

Something i learned, its never a will they/wont they if you just assume they wont

[tropic oracle]

im a 2025 truther if anything

[weak swallow]

josh did go for a 6.25 mile run and paused paladin at 6:25 in the same photo tbf

[rancid delta]

Paladins MV was 5:24

While the song is 6:28

[cedar cradle]

ive lost hope now ngl

[rancid delta]

Minute long portion worth of birds that wasn't even in the video

[fallow violet]

i thought the 6 meant something at first only because at the exhibit they had 6 antlers displayed, but then those weren’t in the digital remains booklet so i assumed they might not be that relevant, whereas 25 was repeated everywhere

[tropic oracle]

yeah 25 is something but i thought it was weird how ppl saw 6 and instantly thought it was june

[weak swallow]

i thought the antlers were in DR? just very hard to see

i dont have DR so i cant check

[rancid delta]

Well if the 6 means nothing then it doesn't have to be June

Could be January

Which would be cool

Because that's not too far

[fallow violet]

they didn’t create any will they won’t they scenario right now, us theorising some random date and being wrong about it is a common event here

[fallow violet]

yeah 3 of them, not all 6

[rancid delta]

The 6/25 thing was teased a lot though

[vale canyon]

When did DR was released?

[rancid delta]

The 6 wasn't in everything but enough to have thought to be significant

[weak swallow]

every single day 1pm ohio time we countdown to the hour

[weak swallow]

29th

[rancid delta]

Should've left 6 put if it meant nothing

[fallow violet]

where in anything official ? and don’t tell me josh’s run, tweet timings and word counts are official hints

[rancid delta]

If it was just a hint to 25 that would've obviously meant 2025 from the get go

[fallow violet]

the only official hint was in the digital remains

[rancid delta]

But the 6 was there

[fallow violet]

and at the exhibit

[vale canyon]

and the BF tweet?

[fallow violet]

where

digital remains didn’t have 6 antlers

[weak swallow]

honestly josh's run feels like an official hint lol, why did he post that like the day after we heard about 6/25 with 2 references to 625 lol

[rancid delta]

In Josh's tweet for one. Early June stuff. It all added up too well.

[weak swallow]

20th june i think

[weak swallow]

i think this is what set people off

the fact that we heard about 625 and then immediately "got confirmation" from someone in the band

[rancid delta]

Also 6:25 being the exact time in paladin strait that nico says hello clancy

[fallow violet]

feels like it to you but at the end of the day it’s still not one, you’re assuming he knows everything we say 24/7, these are things that could be explained as coincidences, whereas the official stuff they put out cannot be explained in that way

[rancid delta]

Whether or not they knew at the time they certainly knew later on yet still chose to say nothing to stop us

[weak swallow]

you really cant see why people took that as proof and ran with it?

[tropic oracle]

can we just drop this :[

[rancid delta]

Hell tyler liked a post that had something to do with the 25th and just added more fuel to the fire

[tropic oracle]

its not a big deal and we should all go back to just enjoying what we have and other theories

[weak swallow]

people were already excited about clancy and then seemingly got confirmation of a double album

[rancid delta]

Or at least confirming they knew about the theories and continued to go with it

[weak swallow]

i dont think its too much of a stretch to see why so many people decided to run with the theory of yesterday regardless of how silly it seem in hindsight

[tropic oracle]

no its not that much of a stretch but it was always a fan theory

[weak swallow]

yeah idk tyler liking that tweet is only not super weird if he literally didnt read the caption at all and only saw the picture

otherwise its just like ? why

[hasty swallow]

Im not gonna lie i dont read captions 90% of the time

[weak swallow]

youd assume hed be more careful knowing that we watch his likes though and being a celebrity and all

[rancid delta]

The caption looked elongated at least in memory. Can someone post a screenshot of it again

[fallow violet]

yeah i understand thinking it might mean something but what i don’t understand is the running with it part and placing all your hopes and dreams on it, i was also side eyeing it and waiting here yesterdays to find out if it might’ve been something but it clearly wasn’t

[hasty swallow]

I dont know who assumed that but i sure didnt

[rancid delta]

If it's as long a post as I remember it being then it would've been hard to not see the text

With all the spaces

[tropic oracle]

i think ur putting way too much responsibility on him

the mans allowed to like tweets

especially if its a joke he thought was funny

[rancid delta]

He knows this fanbase is rabid af

[weak swallow]

well yeah obviously but people do watch his every move whether they should or not

[rancid delta]

Likes are private now but not soon enough apparently

[hasty swallow]

Amen

[weak swallow]

im not saying that he shouldnt like tweets but its something i would assume he knows about and would want to be careful around

[fallow violet]

i only found it funny that he liked a tweet that joked about a double album basically

[weak swallow]

people treat a tyler like the same way they do a tweet or reply

[rancid delta]

People immediately go "ohhhhhhh he responded to me weeeeeeeee hi tyler omggggggg"

[tropic oracle]

and thats in no way his fault

[fallow violet]

and i still find it funny that he hasn’t said anything about denying it meanwhile he quickly denied the final battle isn’t gonna be on tour

[weak swallow]

yeah i never put too much thought into it but for people who thought 6/25 was something then it was just seen as official confirmation

[fallow violet]

like isn’t that so funny it just makes me clown even more

[weak swallow]

exactly, like its just so weird what theyre choosing to tell us and what they arent

[rancid delta]

Kinda feel bad for the man in that regard honestly

Glad he has accounts where nobody knows who he is

All the spam

[tropic oracle]

im tyler actually and i will drop new album tomorrow

will be 5 hours of harsh noise

hope you enjoy

[fallow violet]

yeah but some people seem genuinely upset about it meanwhile i just find it fun and im here to have fun ..

[weak swallow]

why tell us the album is delayed and that the final battle isnt on tour or even that he doesnt care about clancy not getting number one, but not tell people to chill about 6/25 and that paladin was delayed?

its more confusing for me than anything else

[tropic oracle]

yeah the person i was talking to was very upset before

[rancid delta]

This fanbase would unironically do a deep dive into every nanosecond of those 5 hours looking for lore

[fallow violet]

yeah i talked to them before too im glad they at least decided to take a break

[tropic oracle]

not surprised, they made a 5k word deep dive into why an album was dropping today

[fallow violet]

i mean that thread is still relevant !!

i loved it

i just never fully assumed 6/25

[tropic oracle]

it was cool !! but yeah idk seemed a bit intense

[weak swallow]

i always assume whatever is the most likely next thing and move on if it doesnt happen

[tropic oracle]

he would accidentally fart while recording and it would become a lore point

[tropic oracle]

i just assume nothing and hope for the best

[weak swallow]

like when paladin didnt drop in "early june" i assumed it would drop by the 15th and then after that i just assumed it would come in june

[rancid delta]

Reversing the fart "OMG THIS GROWLING SOUND SOUNDS LIKE A DRAGON, TRASH IS ALIVE"

[tropic oracle]

pet cheetah

[fallow violet]

same! as much as i love the idea that i have about the rollout including 2025, if anything would come out right now that would dispute it i would just be like well i was wrong and move on and be excited about whatever they announced

[tropic oracle]

yeah at the end of the day this should be something we do for fun as a hobby !! and if you find it affecting your personal life and your emotions you need to take a step back

[weak swallow]

yeah its just a little weird to me that theyve decided to tell us about when the ending is coming a year in advance lol

wouldve assumed something like that would be kept for like

late tour

eu dates and then continues into june until we got it

[fallow violet]

i mean 2025 still isn’t confirmed we are still theorizing

[weak swallow]

well true but it seems the most likely as of right now

[tropic oracle]

everything is a theory rn yeah

[fallow violet]

that’s why i’m still waiting for them to say something officially

[tropic oracle]

not enough to go off of

[weak swallow]

right after tour which is the "flashback"

[rancid delta]

Watch nothing happen until 2027 and people still would try to call ot a double album at that point

"It's connected so it's definitely the same project"

[tropic oracle]

yeah at what point is it not a double album

[rancid delta]

At that point then this isn't even a double album, more like a 5 parter because that's exactly what it would be

[tropic oracle]

like technically bf, trench, sai and clancy is a quad album

[weak swallow]

it can technically be a double album whenever it wants to be lol

[vale canyon]

the page indeed was created june 20th

[rancid delta]

I refuse to call anything a double if it's more than a year after the first one

[weak swallow]

public perception though id say it wont be considered a double album after tour

[rancid delta]

If it really is 2025 than it probably wouldn't be a deluxe version either. Why wait over a year for only 2 or 3 more songs

[fallow violet]

imagine paladin mv ends on a cliffhanger , clancy ultimus capitulus 25 as a hint didn’t exist, i would’ve personally gone insane, so if 25 means 2025, i’m very happy they threw us that bone even if it’s a year in advance

[rancid delta]

At that point make it an ep

With 4 or 5

[weak swallow]

even still i wouldve preferred clancy final chapter to be right after paladin

i still think teasing that before paladin kinda ruined that paladin would end on a cliffhanger again, just thinking of how crazy it would be if we genuinely had no ideas that there was anything coming afterwards until a day later when we got the hint

[rancid delta]

Plus blurryface 10 will still get in the way big time

Unless it's super early in 2025 or later in the year

At least 2 months away from May because of it

Unless they make even more terrible marketing decisions but they do love doing that

[weak swallow]

i mean they most likely wont do anything for bf 10th anniversary

[rancid delta]

They should have waited for the 25 teasing stuff after paladin, I agree

[weak swallow]

id be surprised if tyler and josh want to hop on a livestream days after theyve just toured the world

[rancid delta]

At the very least

[cedar cradle]

We got baited bro

[weak swallow]

especially if they have something else coming afterwards]

[rancid delta]

During the tour would've been even better, but at least wait until after the video is out

[fallow violet]

people would’ve called them liars even more

[rancid delta]

Everyone would collectively lose their minds over a cliffhanger and then still have hope for more later, without any specific dates being a thing

Just 2025 in general

[weak swallow]

maybe, but it probably wouldve made more people realise that it was coming way later

people wouldnt have reached so hard to count the letters and words in a tweet if we didnt have the hint before paladin

[rancid delta]

Especially if they want to do every song having a music video again as well

[fallow violet]

if tyler wasn’t saying final battle after the album in those interviews we wouldn’t have any reason to be sus of it and think they just lied to us , people already think they did which like in the marketing they kinda did but it’s more of a white lie if they planned this as a surprise.

[weak swallow]

and to be honest it seemed reasonable because we were told paladin early june then given a mysterious number

first friday of june was the 7th which was 2 weeks after clancy

then 6/25 is 2 weeks after the 7th

so it seemed like it was gonna slot perfectly in giving us time for everything to breathe

then obviously nothing in early june lol

[fallow violet]

and i loved it tbh i was tweaking over what tyler was saying in those interviews before clancy dropped. now they make more and more sense

[rancid delta]

Should've let paladin release yesterday instead of a few days ago because that left the 6/25 theory wide open just for nothing to happen

[weak swallow]

people wouldve been so pissed

because they teased "625" and early june on the same day

so they wouldve actually outright lied to us

[fallow violet]

tyler blatantly said it’s happening later after the album and no one believed it anyway

[rancid delta]

Id be less pissed if paladin came put today than nothing like what actually happened

[tropic oracle]

well it was us making a wrong theory

happens all the time

[rancid delta]

We already knew it wasn't gonna be the end

[weak swallow]

tbf after the album was may 25th to the heat death of the universe

[vale canyon]

[fallow violet]

7th of june was just as much of a theory as 25th. i was also one that thought june 7 is the day

[rancid delta]

Things do get delayed. Could've been like "sorry it was taking us even longer than expected. We don't actually have anything for the 25th planned so we'll put it out then so at least it can mean something"

I would've been fine waiting longer for it

Hell I would've waited months for it

[weak swallow]

i still dont know why paladin got delayed tbh, they said it was "almost done" and that it was "done but they just wanted to gatekeep it"

that was the most confusing part, the fact that they made it sound like it would be done in a few days after the live stream

[rancid delta]

That does confuse me. I get it not being out for the album as it's super high quality, but what made them delay it twice? Clearly early June was the idea

[fallow violet]

bro said later after the album and in another interview said the ending teases something, then i also thought paladin mv is a possibility, but then 25 hints happened, those had absolutely nothing to do with paladin MV, so since then i assumed there must be more beyond it

[rancid delta]

We still don't have an answer for this either

Was it video processing issues? Just say it bro

[weak swallow]

oh i forgot he said the ending teased something

[tropic oracle]

why do we need to know the delay

[fallow violet]

we might never know since it was in the studio hands, there might be some legal stuff involved about what they can or can’t talk about

[rancid delta]

I'd like to know what made early June not happen

[tropic oracle]

but it was a short delay

[fallow violet]

me too

[tropic oracle]

and we got the video

i dunno it was probs bc they started filiming so late

[rancid delta]

Still curious

[weak swallow]

literally just curiosity

[tropic oracle]

OH right

sorry hard to tell

[weak swallow]

yeah we definitely wont know now unless its something they talk about in like 5 years which they wont because nobody will remember it was delayed lol

[rancid delta]

It was thier goal so what made them miss it this time? Even if it's something as dumb as a cgi error

[fallow violet]

yeah i would love to know too why the delay happened but i also understand we might not find out since as i said it wasn’t just in the hands of tyler and mark like all the other videos

[weak swallow]

just weird how they made it sound like it was actually done and they wanted the song to sit as its own cliffhanger for a bit

especially with such an optimistic release too

was late june when it came out

[rancid delta]

They either ran into a problem that were unaware of or intentionally held it over our heads

I'd like to think it's the first one

[weak swallow]

i definitely dont think theyd give us a date and miss it on purpose

that would just make people super pissed for 0 reason

theyd gain nothing from doing that

[rancid delta]

They told us why the album was delayed so... they were very open about that

[weak swallow]

was probably something out of their control then

[rancid delta]

And it made sense

[fallow violet]

tyler contradicted himself on the livestream a bit but honestly understandable, i mean when you look at the livestream as a whole it’s awkward anyway but that’s one of the things i love about them

[rancid delta]

Doing a music video for every song on an album is no easy task

Plus with tyler just having a third child

So what was the case here

[weak swallow]

yeah ive always loved how even though they have a whole team and tens of millions of listeners they still manage to make it seem like its literally just them and mark doing it all and have a small hometown band feel to the things they do

its very endearing imo

[rancid delta]

There is no other band quite like top

I love how authentic they are, they actually care

Which makes the whole 625 thing even more frustrating

[weak swallow]

if i could do one thing id just change their horrific merch 😭 the quality is so bad

[rancid delta]

If it were any other band I'd chock it up to them just making very poor choices

[weak swallow]

even if the design is nice the actual material is so cheap and so much stuff goes wrong when its delivered

[rancid delta]

Yeahhhhhhh

Made my own hoodie because I was appaled by the options. And even moreso how expensive they were

[fallow violet]

i mean it’s true when they say their immediate creative team is really just a few people. yes there’s their label but even that marketing guy said that for example the red letters in the beginning of the era was all just the band and their small creative team so people like mark, brandon or ashley, label probably provides the means to do that stuff but the ideas truly come from just these few people

[rancid delta]

My own custom hoodie was even cheaper than buying an official one with just a logo strip

I would design stuff for them for free that would be way cooler. I'd think anyone here could

They need to hire better people for merchandise lol

[weak swallow]

yeah you could tell with the clancy mvs it was literally just an idea, two guys and a camera man

[fallow violet]

i talked about this with a friend yesterday 😭 also i don’t have any ned merch but i heard that merch is much better quality right ?

[rancid delta]

Or maybe even use fan designs while compensating them a bit

"This person made a super cool design so we made it official!"

[weak swallow]

id imagine the ned merch is a lot higher quality because a lot of it is US only

probably hired a company that isnt associated with warner music

which is why its US only

[fallow violet]

i’m honestly surprised they haven’t done this properly yet, some of my fave bands are doing this and i think it’s a great idea, the merch designs are so good, i think this is something a band like them should do especially one that such a creative fanbase

[weak swallow]

no idea though

[rancid delta]

Idk about you guys but I'm proud of how my hoodie came out. Only cost me 60ish dollars

[weak swallow]

what couldve been

[rancid delta]

Somehow cheaper than both of the official hoodies

[fallow violet]

that looks so good

[weak swallow]

what do you mean you dont want to pay 70 for this?

thats peak design! clearly !

[rancid delta]

80 actually

Plus shipping

[weak swallow]

id pay any price ! please make it 200 actually !

[rancid delta]

This shit was like 70 or 75 dollars

Just a logo strip

Nothing even on the back as far as I'm aware

Wasn't gonna buy it to find out

[weak swallow]

thats an even better design! how do they outdo themselves

[rancid delta]

Whats sadder about it is the Vessel anniversary merch was actually great

Love my vessel 10th hoodie

Even the merch from Christmas was better

[weak swallow]

the merch for this era is so much worse than previous ones

usually theres at least a few designs i like

[rancid delta]

Imagine your merch being so bad hot topic outdoes you

Barely but still

[rancid gust]

I want one thats just covered in flames ngl

Hoping there's something cool at the tour

[mellow stratus]

I can’t believe this 😭

[small turtle]

I saw something the other day about Fueled by Ramen going downhill in general. People talking about other well-known bands with them quitting because the marketing and other forms of support are so bad. Some have speculated this is the last thing TOP will do with them--the tour and whatever extra music ends up coming, that is--and then they're going to go indie again/start their own label. I think they could totally pull it off. But even since Taylor Swift broke with her label and proceeded to end up even more popular than ever before, I've been wondering why labels don't see that as a warning and step up their game.

So this may all have nothing to do with Clancy specifically because apparently they've dropped the ball on other bands too. And if they're being a horrible mix of controlling and unsupportive...that would explain a lot.

Personally, I'm now convinced 6/25--or at least 25--has to do with the number of songs. Tyler considers Vessel to be their first real album, which would make a second half of Clancy a 6...or if you count self-titled Clancy is 6...and either way, 25 songs would be make it '6/25'

But I agree the date thing is still very weird

We'll see what happens Friday.

(As for what somebody said about Overcompensate feeling so different to the rest of the album--Tyler said something recently about Trench teaching them about the importance of lead tracks: people see the whole album filtered through the first song. They created Overcompensate for a reason; they said so. It was supposed to give that feel of pushing limits and running straight into the fire. I think that's that GOT to still be important.)

[rancid gust]

we never got to see the outcome of that music video either, with whatever happened to the people he educated in dema

[willow narwhal]

could those he educated in dema, not be some of the banditos fighting with him in Paladin Strait?

[cosmic jewel]

Goodmorning i dreamed about a new sigle called "naruto shuriken" with a different Label 'cause the were tired of FBR

[split island]

"appreciate the fine tune details" you mean go completely insane analyzing soundwaves and seeing characters in bird song 💀

But I fully agree with your interpretation tbh

he wanted us to soak it in

[cedar cradle]

so

how we clowning today?

[quick mauve]

Speaking of dreams, I had one where they released a new album where all the songs were like upgraded/extended versions of their old songs. Only title I remember is "Slow City", and I'm REALLY curious how it would sound like

[brazen leaf]

if we don’t get anything in 2025 then what was the whole clancy ultimate chapter 25 about

like

unless it does mean 25 tracks and 25 doesn’t correlate to a date

[small turtle]

25 tracks on my Adidas track jacket

[quaint steppe]

I’m hoping it does in fact mean 25 tracks and the date is arbitrary (and soon) because it’d be wild for them and Fuelled By Ramen to start teasing something more now.

It could be that Clancy is their 6th studio album (as RAB isn’t Fuelled by Ramen) so they’re saying album 6 has 25 tracks. Cause 25 was the main number. Kinda like how Sai was released on 21/5/21 (or 5/21/21 in the states) cause it was their 5th studio album

[small turtle]

I have had this thought

And I still think it could happen Friday

[quaint steppe]

Yeh cause tbf that’d be a week after PS

I think they’ll at least provide more clarification soon

[small turtle]

they'd better

[quaint steppe]

Like even if part two was in 2025 they’d hopefully tell people soon

[cosmic jewel]

woooooow

[quaint steppe]

Regardless of whatever their original plans were or what hints are actually hints, there is something to be said logically about them spacing it out from the PS music vid

Or - and this is incredibly speculative but hey that’s why we’re here - the six antlers mean six lore music videos in this era. So part one has three and part two has three.

[wraith gulch]

Great thoughts Harry!

[buoyant minnow]

but they would surely have to release before touring no?

[olive plume]

i would like for them to release everything before tour but i fear tyler’s tweet means we won’t get anything until after tour

they’re gonna have to be dodging so many questions from interviewers and maybe even fans (if they do press conferences) about the ending too and i’d love to see them try to rephrase “does it sound like the ending?” in so many different ways

[mental granite]

I mean I guess in their defense it gives them something to do during the era seeing as that all the music videos are released for the songs we have, those used to be big era milestones in previous eras

[rancid gust]

It seemed like the ones fighting with him were all from outside the city, I didn’t see any indication that those inside the city had found a way to fight outside.

[small turtle]

ewrtyasuim

mmmm

[bright violet]

are we gonna keep jumping from date to date for this hypothetical release. after a certain point we gotta admit we were wrong lol

[long rose]

Oh we were wrong. That's without a doubt. But we were like these for several reasons not just one coincidence but several.

[bright violet]

I absolutely think that 25 means SOMETHING. clancy ultimus capitulus 25 wouldn't be there otherwise. that isn't random

[ember sinew]

Each individual date we come up with is highly unlikely, but it’s even more unlikely that none of those dates yield something of some kind

[long rose]

It was simply the silence itself that also led to even more confusion.

[bright violet]

I kinda feel like it may not be a date, it may be a piece to a puzzle what we haven't noticed yet

yeah the silence was. annoying.

but it made us look closer at what we had

[long rose]

The only 25 that matches is the 120-95 bpm thing really

[bright violet]

casual fans who aren't into all the lore must be like. man this band is bad at time management they keep being late to the dates they set for themselves

[long rose]

because apparently any other of the various coincidences did not make sense.

[ember sinew]

There’s the 25 total tracks schtick

[bright violet]

what about "it's been 25 times"

[ember sinew]

^

We have the BPM, 25 times, and the puzzle

And the fact that the puzzle came last seems to imply there’s more to come

[long rose]

Well josh's story then was just coincidence, the like tyler gave to a tweet of the 6/25 joke was just coincidence, the 6 words and 25 letters in josh's tweet were just coincidence then.

[long rose]

Oh of course there's more! we were just simply wrong with the date 😄

[ember sinew]

Has reading into the length of tweets/posts ever been fruitful?

[bright violet]

also josh's clancy 10k on instagram

that was 6.25 miles

[long rose]

It felt like too much of a coincidence because they even matched Josh's story on the 47:14 thing.

[ember sinew]

But that’s just… how long a 10k is right?

[olive plume]

every time we’ve tried to predict a date, it hasn’t really worked so maybe 25 really isn’t a date (if we ignore the original album drop on 5/17 and the books 2/29 thing)

[long rose]

nope

[ember sinew]

Ah within .04

[olive plume]

drag path on 6/21 ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️

[ember sinew]

Here’s a question: 25 obviously means something, but if it does mean 2025 what would they benefit from omitting the ‘20’?

[bright violet]

making it less obvious lol

also isn't that the pattern they did for the dates in clancy journals? ommitting the fifrst two numbers?

[long rose]

but like now, leaving things in confusion

[bright violet]

of the year

[ember sinew]

Yeah but that had the month and day next to it

[bright violet]

the band isn't known for their clarity

[long rose]

true, true

[ember sinew]

Has anyone speculated anything for 9/22? I’m not expecting anything but it’d be in character for the server

[bright violet]

what's pointing you to that date

[long rose]

I'm so happy we're receiving more, just confused by yesterday. anyway need some time to pass to be more excited about next year then if that's the plan

[ember sinew]

229 was very significant so what if you put it backwards

[bright violet]

I was wrong, for years they just left off the first digit (2017 -> 017)

[olive plume]

we need to travel back in time to the year 225 to get drag path. or something. i can’t do math

[ember sinew]

There’s also the 6/28 from the paladin strait length which I thought was frivolous until the pause was cut from the music video, so it has to be there for some other reason

But that’s also the only thing pointing to that date so ehhhh

[bright violet]

its also possibe they didn't want to fill an additional minute of time. but I've seen that date bouncing around. I'm willing to believe it lol

[long rose]

Yeah I would believe less in that date... I don't wanna fall fall again

[bright violet]

I fall for theories every time

[safe spade]

See I kinda get this by way add it to the song to begin with??

[bright violet]

there were theories that it was to get "hello clancy" to be said at 6:25

[long rose]

It's fun to theorize! But I guess not that much for me with many coincidences leading to I guess... idk

[ember sinew]

If not to create a specific length for the song/album, why else would it be there?

[long rose]

I was theorizing that for the red banditos on dema, they could betray the yellow banditos because their cycles were too strong to break. For example. But there's no prove to it, not a coincidence.

[sly hazel]

"hidden" ending

[long rose]

Some people say it's that way to make it feel like a secret/bonus track

[long rose]

Thissss

[sly hazel]

The lyrics aren't posted anywhere official for the ending bit of PS
Not on YT
Not in the booklets

They just wanted to hide the actual end and that's basically the only way to do it nowadays with streaming services

[bright violet]

yeah I guess I don't "fall for" theories, but I want to believe them. so any that even remotely hold water, I support. just for funsies

[bright violet]

hmm interesting

especially since they cut the birdsong and that ending in the audio they sent to early release parties

[cosmic jewel]

hello, what are you cooking?

[olive plume]

more like burning

nothing new

[small turtle]

more like heating up leftovers

[ember sinew]

I will say that’s corroborated by the fact that they didn’t play the last part at the listening parties

Oh wait rainy beat me to the punch

[sly hazel]

Ye they definitely just wanted to hide the ending because they knew it would go crazy on socials and get leaked

and then it got leaked anyway but

[ember sinew]

I remember looking at genius lyrics while listening and being confused when the store owner just said “okay I think that’s it”

[sly hazel]

LOL

[bright violet]

I remember turning to my friend and saying "that didn't feel like 6 minutes"

[ember sinew]

I think a lot of people kind of hung around waiting for it

I was debating going up and asking them to unpause it or whatever

[long rose]

you "lEaK LiStEnErS"

[olive plume]

i think some stores weren’t even sent the ending. they got a link to a singular long stream and the ending wasn’t even on there

[bright violet]

yeah

[grave fiber]

The listening party I went to didn’t have the end to Paladin I asked he said he just got a file for that one that was cut

[bright violet]

I think that's true for all of them

[vagrant salmon]

I mean if it’s August 3rd 2025 we can possibly have another tour after that

for the “double album”

8/3/25 does make a lot of sense in my case

[storm iron]

Wait. What happened at the listening party with paladin?

[vague jetty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/s/ixfP9Np1gO

About to make a forum thread called triple album (major possibility)

[brazen leaf]

oh my god

😭

[ripe wharf]

My brain cannot handle thinking about this 😂

[digital shadow]

someone show that to tyler💀💀

[long rose]

At least he is a truly theorist 😭

[floral holly]

I’m sold

[novel bobcat]

either this post is right and they somehow really did plant those tiny details or we are truly collectively losing it 😭

[grave fiber]

This is sending me into another spiral

[open bluff]

If that is true, that’s insane

[small turtle]

My brain is exploding right now

(Partly because of the facts presented, and partly because this person apparently bothered to look for anagrams in literally every place possible)

But...'back fishing fishing fishing the www for a big one, kid.' That...sounds like we should be searching the internet harder than we are. But where to start??

Also all this talk about breaking cyces--three albums in one year would completely invert the typical cycle of one album every three years.

there are all these people commenting on the post like it has to be a joke, but it's honestly not much crazier than the double album idea

[sleek pendant]

but it does just sound really odd, especially for tyler

“back fishing fishing fishing the www for the big one, kid”

“for the big one, kid.”?

that just sounds

not like tyler or josh

[small turtle]

ok but if it's an anagram you have limited letters to work with

and it did make me think But I know we've made it this far, kid...

[sleek pendant]

yes but then that means the anagram mustn’t have been purposefully added because if it was, they’d word it better?

[small turtle]

not necessarily? I mean, I'm not saying this is proof that any of that post is true, but just as a general principle, if you want to create a surface meaning for an anagram that doesn't sound super strange, and get a point across, you're going to focus on that. People are more likely to accept an anagram meaning that sounds odd.

[timid spindle]

Back fishing fishing fishing the www for a big one, kid 🤣

Props to op for finding all of this, some are questionable but, to be fair, every theory is questionable

[cloud lynx]

well guys

💀

[rancid harness]

the next album will be named: FPE

[open bluff]

What if the three albums are

1. The few
2. The proud
3. The emotional

This is a joke i’m not that delusional lmao

[small turtle]

sooo same debate as tuesday I guess, but if something is meant to drop on the 28th, do we think it'll be midnight tonight or tomorrow afternoon (ohio time) or what?

[static sinew]

why would something drop the 28th

what is the evidence

[olive plume]

paladin strait track length is 6:28

the video was 5:24 which is the clancy release date

[patent coral]

Our hopium rests on 6/28 and 7/5-7/8

[static sinew]

what is 7/5-7/8 evidence

[patent coral]

no evidence for either one

7/5-7/8 is the Annual assemblage of the Glorified in Dema

It's when the hiatus ended and began, Jumpsuit dropped, Saturday MV dropped, and RAB came out

It's very significant in-universe, but still doesn't prove anything, just something to keep an eye on

[rain birch]

https://x.com/paulmeany/status/1806360670163874206 this is my double album

Paul Meany (@paulmeany) on X

First solo song “No Such Thing” out now

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 4:15 PM

[rancid gust]

Until we find out what the 25 is actually for I’m holding on to hope

[glacial fulcrum]

Can't wait for album 2: the proud 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[open bluff]

Wooooo

[jade mantle]

Voldsoy holds the next 11 songs, 6.28 announcement, or 6.28 solid clue. Relating to the anagram. 🙏🤦🏼‍♀️

[patent coral]

That just has a ring to it

6/28 announcement, 7/5 single drop, Voldsoy sometime in August

ARG inbetween

[fallow violet]

they have given us no reason not to have that hope tbfh

that 25 thing is exactly there for us to speculate about it like this

thats its purpose

[graceful hill]

What anagram

[fleet pier]

I’m wondering that too

[wraith gulch]

I’m down for 6/28 😊

[static sinew]

the "go fish" anagram someone made out of tylers tweet

[olive plume]

i still don’t know where i stand on that

it seems batshit on the surface but also i’m willing to believe in anything right now

[long rose]

Wait the anagram guy is still updating?

[jade mantle]

This was on Reddit this am

[neat iron]

So crazy this anagram thing, but it's starting to make too much sense and it worries me that it's actually making sEnsE

What do you guys think ??

[jade mantle]

I don’t want to believe

I’ll be hurt again ✊😪

[long rose]

thinking thinking thinking*

Honestly, he is a real theorist because even if his theories lead to nothing he is bringing more to the table than several people put together, even if I don't agree with 100% of the things he argues, if at any time we need someone who can bring us things in anagrams that's our guy.

[jade mantle]

Well the most damning thing for me with the “I-“ during the livestream

[long rose]

I think they have used that |- several times in the past when they have more to come

[patent coral]

All this teasing now for it to be 2025 just doesn't make sense to me

[jade mantle]

Yes the only reason I’m paying attention is to try and find the “odd lines”

[jade mantle]

Agree. I don’t think it will.

[long rose]

This for example, they used the |-

[patent coral]

It's also the blue side of the OG logo

[small turtle]

I've been wondering about a title for a new album... I've been going with it's just Clancy Pt. II, but I've also been thinking a lot about the name 'Trench.' Though it's supposed to be the 'wild and green continent' it doesn't sound like a very positive word. A trench is often something in a war zone. To be 'entrenched' is either to literally be in a trench, dug in to fight a long battle; or metaphorically, it is to have something be stuck in deeply. Even if this weren't an allegory about the cyclical nature of mental health battles, that wouldn't sound too positive. Either way it makes it sound like the continent is a war zone. And I thought that was weird at first, but then I realized this: when out in Trench, Clancy has to keep fighting. The battle for control of his mind doesn't end when he's out there. Being in Dema represents having stopped fighting the darkness--or at least, failing to have kept it at bay. Trench is where you're fighting back. But I wonder if to truly 'break the cycle' they'll have to leave for somewhere else. And I don't think it'll be Voldsoy. Doesn't that mean 'island of violence'? And correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't seen a map of their whole world, have we? It makes more thematic sense to for the end to be about Clancy and Torchbearer leading the Banditos somewhere new, somewhere that represents peace. And I like that because not only is it thematically satisfying, it has all kinds of biblical undertones--the Torchbearer as God in the form of a pillar of fire, leading the Israelites out of slavery and into the Promised Land; Clancy as the Moses/Joshua or Jesus figure who represents his people. I haven't seen anybody else theorize this particular thing, but I like it better than the idea that they'll all end up at Voldsoy.

And on a slightly related note, I don't know about anybody else, but to me Clancy having the same power as the Bishops doesn't seem like it bodes well. It feels like the exact opposite thing he needs to be doing. I have a theory that he's going to have to give up on that particular way of defeating them. You can't fight fire with fire, so to speak. And it didn't work anyway--not the moment Nico came in. I think winning the battle is going to have to involve being the exact opposite of what they are. So what do I think that means? Well, when it comes to dying, the opposite of suicide is selfless sacrifice. The opposite of death is resurrection; and controlling a dead body feels an evil inversion of the idea of resurrection. So--taking all that into account, I think there's going to have be a sacrificial death and resurrection of somebody--either Clancy or Torchbearer, most likely. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm crazy because their music and storylines already contain a lot of biblical themes and references. Plus, based on the videos alone, I don't read Torchbearer as being totally on board with Clancy's 'overcompensate' attitude. He looks worried the whole PS video. He watches Clancy climb the tower like he thinks Clancy's going to get himself killed before finishing his mission--and what happens the moment Clancy gets up there? He drops the antlers and nearly gets smeared. He then seems like he's about to fight, but it appears to have been a very close thing. I'm not saying Clancy can't fight--but he needs to fight differently.

[jade mantle]

I see all of this but my interpretation is less Pentateuch and more Christ sacrifice

[small turtle]

well the two stories paralell each other, don't they?

Lots of OT/NT things do

Something that gets missed in English is that 'Joshua' and 'Jesus' are the same name in Hebrew. That's not an accident.

[jade mantle]

Yes they do

[long rose]

That's why some theories went on like: Clancy is going to die in PS mv and then 3 days later he is going to be back again, like resurrected in some way or other

[small turtle]

yeah

But I could still see it happening in some form

[cloud lynx]

tbh guys

hear me out

second album + epilogue right at the end?
(seems reasonable to me, unironically)

[small turtle]

that could make sense of the conflicting clues

the 11 + 14 = 25

But also the stuff about a 7 " LP?

2nd album + shorter epilogue?

[cloud lynx]

right?

[small turtle]

which would, in fact, be three albums, without being as long as that makes it sound

Why do I feel like that's not crazy

[cloud lynx]

like

yeah

u're right

wtf

i mean like we've had some crazy stuff here

[small turtle]

yeah, and it would make sense of the conflicting clues, as I said

[cloud lynx]

i do think an epilogue would make sense for such a big storyline ending
(but it's also a lot to ask, i'm not setting any expectations)

[small turtle]

yeah

WAIT

EP='epilogue'?

[cloud lynx]

:O

[small turtle]

we've been thinking EP like extended play

which, if this is true, they probably knew would happen, lol

ugh, I'm going to have butterflies in my stomach all day tomorrow

I might have to seal myself out of the internet until the day is over in Ohio so I'm not sitting around waiting for a watched pot that never boils

[stable badge]

I think I’m more on board with the 6/2025 or 8/3/2025 theories now. I think it makes the most sense with the tour being a flashback of the story until present.

I think then might we get our final conclusion

[neat iron]

Guys, you're all so amazing

[stable badge]

But I also think waiting for 2025 is while, but we usually wait 3 years for new records, so in actuality it’s not that bad

[neat iron]

Like, really, thank you so much for existing y'all 😭❤️

Can someone update me with the theories about the 28? I might have missed this 🤔

[stable badge]

I think 6:28 is the duration of Paladin?

Kind of a stretch to me but I think that’s the reason

[neat iron]

OHHH I thought there was something elseeee

Thank you !

[stable badge]

Might be idk

[neat iron]

Could be something 🤔

[sly hazel]

That's basically all it is ye

[neat iron]

We'll just have to wait until tomorrow

[sly hazel]

Which technically doesn't make sense because some platforms show 6:29 for PS length and some show 6:28

[stable badge]

I mean I won’t say it’s implausible, because there is a specific amount of bird sounds, but I really think it’s a stretch. The 6/25 theory was more convincing and we got nothing

[neat iron]

True, it can makes sense though because: why the one minute of silence ? It doesn't exist in the MV 🤔

[neat iron]

That's true, also

[sly hazel]

It's just a way of hiding the ending

a form of "hidden track"

[neat iron]

Do you think ?

[sly hazel]

The ending lyrics aren't on anything official either

not in the booklets they sent out with the CDs

not in the description of the videos

[stable badge]

I think it was just to create an atmosphere for the song since you can’t “see” a song

[sly hazel]

they also didn't play the birds or the ending at the listening parties

[neat iron]

True 🤔🤔

Interesting

[sly hazel]

They 100% just wanted the ending to be a hidden surprise thing
and since now everyone has heard it they didn't really need to put it in the video

[long rose]

Makes a lot of sense... but!
It could also feel like an interlude for something else

[neat iron]

An epilogue

EP

?

[stable badge]

They’ve put a lot of effort into this record so I don’t expect a lot more right now

But I would love to be surprised

[long rose]

Same same

[sly hazel]

at this point I'm expecting a B side deluxe album next year after tour

I also think it's basically already completed and ready to go

musically atleast

[long rose]

I'm happy with an ep or even a double album. I think they have a bit more for a final battle. Because I don't think the final battle is just nico vs clancy and that's it. They also have the red banditos and the inferno and the aftermath of that consequences

[neat iron]

I'm torn between more music and no more music 😭🤣

[long rose]

They're a music band so expect more music lmao

🤣

[patent coral]

Also Claim Cyan and Follow the Torches still have no payoff

[neat iron]

It feels like it's already enough because it's sooo much work and it's one of their best albums BUT ending on a cliffhanger is just aaaaaah

[neat iron]

Follow the torches ?

Did I miss anything? ;-;

[patent coral]

They were both codes in the DMA updates right before Overcompensate dropped

Along with "Fly by" which obvs is in OC

[neat iron]

Follow the torches hmmm

What could that refer to?

[sly hazel]

follow the torches is probably just about him crossing from Voldsoy to Trench

and/or Navigating where he literally followed the 3 people with torches

[patent coral]

I have a totally unbased theory that their relationship with FBR is really strained and they only had one album left in their contract so they released Clancy as that final FBR album and the next one will be completely free from any label input

[patent coral]

Yeah could be

[neat iron]

Hey, that also sounds interesting

Because we never took into consideration their label too

Though they are super successful and that would be weird that they have problems with their label no?

Or not so weird considering some lines of their songs

"Now I'm drowning in logistics"

[patent coral]

Yeah it's total speculation but apparently there was some conflict over Neon Gravestones being on Trench and I think FBR in general is known for being controlling and unsupportive with other bands as well

But TOP could be immune to a lot of that since they are their biggest band

In my wildest dreams I like to think that this final album is super weird and experimental and they wanted to finish the story on their own terms instead of compromising with a labels vision

[neat iron]

That's true, I'm very interested in this theory

You should even start a new chatroom theory!

[patent coral]

Not enough evidence for me to do that I think, just a totally unfounded thought but we'll see!

[olive plume]

i’m pretty sure tyler admitted this himself? i think in a print interview

[warm crescent]

it was during the discord interview i think?

or maybe it was elaborated on during it

[olive plume]

i remember Reading it for sure but that very well could have been someone’s write up of it

[patent coral]

Does anyone know if a 5 album contract with a label is standard?

[winged sapphire]

hai any new paul meany album

[jade mantle]

His new song is sick

[small turtle]

Taylor Swift was also super sucessful. She had problems with her label and broke with it. Sometimes I think labels just don't get it and they try even harder to choke artists who are sucessful because they want to keep it going and have this silly idea that they know better than the artist what is going to be good.

[small turtle]

He said they basically told him the song was a 'landmine' in the middle of his record and told him it could ruin his career. He stood his ground and it got left on.

[small turtle]

I feel like that could have some validity. TOP wouldn't be the first artist to leave FBR, wouldn't the first sucessful artist to break and go independent, and it might explain the fact that FBR doesn't seem to care about this album and why Tyler thinks he can get away with even more explicit criticism of the music industry (The Craving single version video) and 'Promote my album, I'll pay you'.

I even wonder if FBR is just going under at the moment. They've been absorbed by a bigger company what, twice now?

[olive plume]

yeah i feel like FBR has other things going on

they lost paramore recently, i think? (i can’t remember if paramore was signed to them but they recently fulfilled their contract and made their own record label) and panic! was a money maker for them, i think, but with that abysmal last album and him calling it quits, it feels like they Should be trying really hard to maintain their relationship with the pilots

but we don’t know what’s going on in the background and maybe it’s. all fine

[small turtle]

they should be trying harder, yes. But my new theory is that the company is just a wreck right now so nobody's got the will or resources to try very hard.

sometimes, when an organization starts to fail, it happens in stages. People leave; the people left get their jobs combined without pay raises and then more people get fired; it gets harder and harder to hire new people, and it just creates this vacuum that's very hard to fix once it gets started. It gathers momentum and gets larger like a snowball. I'm mixing my metaphors but I think you know what I mean. Bad leadership, toxic work culture, treating employees/talent badly, all this can lead to a downward spiral, and the people left at the end have to kind of pull themselves out of a flaming mess.

the thing I'm stuck on at the moment--what happens to their music if they leave? This is why Taylor Swift is in the process of rerecording all her albums: so she can keep the copyright. I suppose TOP would have to do that as well. But I don't really know how music copyright works in general.

[patent coral]

I don’t think FBR is actively trying to sabotage TOP like Taylor Swifts label. They’ll probably still receive royalty’s after they leave as will FBR so it should still be a win win

Probably more about creative freedom and the chance to make more of the business/promotional decisions for themselves

[cedar cradle]

Any triple album truthers?

[upbeat shard]

i'd say let's try to be happy with what we have

why did they have to tease more than they could control?

now everybody's impatient and not enjoying the album as it is

(me too)

[long rose]

believe us we are happy as it is. We are just trying to figure out if there's anything more because of ahhh idk a random cliffhanger put on purpouse (?

I've been listening non stop Clancy since it's release

[upbeat shard]

i mean, making theories and reading them is fun, but overall i feel nervous and like i'm missing something all the time

it's getting out of hand

[upbeat shard]

same

[long rose]

While still theorizing and enjoying the album as it is

[ember sinew]

Any news ? New date theories ? Pls someone recap me I’ve been away those two last days 🥲

[upbeat shard]

i dont know it was just a thought me and my friends shared

[long rose]

Unfortunately the bad news is that is been a bit out of new information since 6/25
The new theory leads to June 2025 or any date in 2025. Since is the only thing that truly makes sense of the "CLANCY ULTIMUS CAPITULUS 25"

[ember sinew]

Dam :/ so no one believes in june ofbthis year ?

[long rose]

Unless we get a new clue or someone realize something new, we really don't have anything new to entertain our faith

[silk bolt]

My delusions are focused on the 25 songs on 6/28, soley just cuz or paladin strait on Spotify

I will feed my delusions by any means necessary

Cuz of*

[long rose]

Oh and also 6/28
Some people says that because of the delay of everything, probably the 6/25 thing was delayed too

[silk bolt]

Yea

Some call it cope I call It hope

[long rose]

That's the spirit my dude!

[ember sinew]

Alright, so tommorow last chance ?

[silk bolt]

Exactly

I'm all in I'm surrounded

Put my money where my mouth is

We'll see , there are worse ways to live

[upbeat shard]

maybe the 25 "only" means 25 tracks

with that weird tweet of tyler's

[jade mantle]

That’s why I love the sectioned off chats my bro

Lets those of us delusional ones stay on the delusional side of the fence

[long rose]

That's the other theory true!
With the 11 thing

[upbeat shard]

i think 2025 is too general and open

doesn't really mean anything

[silk bolt]

Exactly

[quaint steppe]

I’m holding out hope for at least an announcement tomorrow (or something to clarify the future), and even more hope that part two is this side of tour.

I also firmly believe 25 only means 25 tracks. Cause 6/25 didn’t happen (and there were more 25s than 6s) and if it was 2025 they’d have said so. If it was 25 tracks they’d be less likely to say something than if it was a date thing as maybe they’d know we’d speculate dates and would be delighted when they drop 25 tracks on a random day of their choosing. But maybe that’s just me being optimistically naïve

[jade mantle]

On track with this too. I didn’t do enough digging on my end. If I would have before things got too hyper I would have been a 6/28 11 track further.

[quaint steppe]

By this I mean if it’s 2025 why be so ambiguous, why not right the full year (or if 86 was 6/25 why nit have the 6 in the puzzle itself or in the digital remains image)

[long rose]

Fun fact: I've been checking the twitter of adihgrtnsnd daily for a while now, even doing a screenshot of the pfp to see if anything changes

[quaint steppe]

Though I don’t think Craving Single version counts as a different song, if it is 25 total then I think 12 more but maybe that’s bold

[upbeat shard]

who is this?

im sorry im new haha

[long rose]

The only thing I could "get" out of it was the header, that could be a part of a bigger image and I thought it was from the last image of DR but idk

[long rose]

"adihgrtnsnd" is the random tweet that Tyler put on twitter a day before overcompensate video came out

[upbeat shard]

oh i thought it was somebody on here that created it

this account

[long rose]

Idk if the account is leggit or not

[upbeat shard]

i know about the random letters

[long rose]

Let me ask on verified theorist

Yep, most likely it's nothing relevant

[languid crypt]

“Earned my stripes, 300 tracks in my Adidas track jacket” that’s a lot of songs to pick from 🤔

[granite seal]

yeah, this is not a real account

[cedar cradle]

I’m just messing around haha

[small turtle]

I keep thinking about that line. It could be a symbolic way of saying he's written a lot of music. But why 300? I suppose there could be that many songs out there he's written that haven't been released--and if you count versions, like the 54 versions of at the risk of feeling dumb, suddenly 300 doesn't feel like a huge number, rather too small--which brings me back to the idea that 300 must be symbolic. But again, why 300? (There's always the 'Dogstar stop overthinking everything' answer but you know I won't stop.)

[tropic oracle]

considering its adidas i think he means laps

like running

i dunno i dont think that line has anything to do with music, like a symbolic thing

[lethal thistle]

Or maybe Clancy’s sung 300 songs in-universe

[zinc musk]

Yeah I think it's just a metaphor along the lines of "I've written a lot of songs", and considering an Adidas track jacket has 3 stripes it could just be a reference to that

Plus track jacket could be like a track (song) but that's also just witty writing

[small turtle]

well yeah, it coudl mean more than one thing

[small turtle]

yeah

[zinc musk]

Duh it's art, I keep finding so many interpretations for the same song and I love that

I love it when writing has more that one interpretation

[small turtle]

yes this is one of the many reasons I am in love with this band

[lethal thistle]

“Lyrics that mean nothing, we were gifted with thought”

That’s exactly why

[rancid gust]

The more I think about it the more June 2025 seems like a valid theory