Double Album Confirmed

[lean mango]

99% sure it's not

not that nothing is waiting til 2025

but the obvious implication of 6/25 is June 25th so I think something is happening then

it's just uncertain what and how much it will be

[rancid gust]

Well he said the live shows are going to be like a flashback about why we fight, right before we actually do, and the tour ends in may of 2025

I’m hoping though with every fiber of my being that it’s June 25th lol

[undone egret]

just a thought and apologies if this has been echoed, but isn't "welcome back to the show" a lyric in Backslide?

[rancid gust]

Snap back*

Oh its you, well welcome back to the show

[undone egret]

yeah

[rancid gust]

“Been a minute”

Guess I better move to a fresher approach

[undone egret]

sorry, ive had a tooth out and been catching up

[rancid gust]

“Thought I kicked it”

[lean mango]

but actually, I want to entertain a thought just a bit, hypothetically, no matter how unreasonable it might be...

how likely/unlikely is a shadowdrop of an entire double album on the 25th?

[rancid gust]

Unlikely from what I’ve heard, but it’d be awesome tho

[undone egret]

unlikely but i think something will be announced

[lean mango]

I think they've set up enough to have us on the edge of our seats, we're already hyped for something

[rancid gust]

I’m gonna have to prep and buy tickets to a second tour lol

[lean mango]

and it's much more common for double albums to have the second half have a non-traditional rollout compared to the first

[wraith gulch]

I think relatively likely only because I think a second album would need to release close enough to Clancy to be considered (by general opinion) a double album versus a new era. This historically means within a few months. Now sure it could release like right before tour and still meet that but they haven’t teased anything about July or August (so far) so idk. Plus I think a digital release 6/25 would give them (label, etc) time to work on or push out physical releases.

I also think that specifically for a surprise double album that keeping it digital at launch is going to make it 100000% times easier to keep a secret. It would not even surprise me if they do another YouTube livestream and premier it that way (with or without accompanying music videos) and then push it to digital outlets immediately afterwards and get the physical aspect ball rolling at that time.

The secret is everything to a secret double album, which is why I can totally see this as plausible.

Plus it would give us all around 1.5 months to live with new music and get used to it and learn the songs before the tour starts, which would be neat.

Also to your point about building up the hype—I think that’s a very important discussion and the hype has been such so that it would really strike me as bizarre for it to be a 2025 thing. Not impossible by any means, but you gotta remember most people are only going to one show, if any. So yes they’re touring between August and 2025 but most people won’t experience that or just one day of that time period. It would be too easy for the hype to die down if there was nothing in between Paladin MV and a 2025 “something.”

This is not to say I’m expecting a whole album drop on 6/25. Managing expectations is important. But I would in no way be surprised or shocked by it.

Also if you check out this Wikipedia link and go down to “simultaneous releases” section, there’s quite a number of double albums released in two parts months apart but hardly any referenced as a year or more apart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_album#

[lean mango]

If it was a year I def wouldn't call it a double anymore

Could still be depending on branding

[weak swallow]

especially because it would come out right after tour ends

would feel like one tour for clancy and another tour for a second album

[sly widget]

Clancy (Taylor’s Version)

[wraith gulch]

Yeah I think it mostly has to do with how it’s marketed. But I found it interesting that they are historically simultaneous or mere months apart.

[lean mango]

Yea, that's common

[ember sinew]

Welp, after all this

At the moment, all the dates I theorized about were kinda on point and I’m still a “resurrection” thruster

4 days after Clancy’s defeat/death, he’ll come back alive on the 25th, it adds up, it works, makes people still hold on the hype train

Single on the 25th, release of a few singles before the tour and then, touring, and final album release with the ending finally revealed

Ig it would make everyone happy, 25th IS an important date, I’m so convinced about the all resurrection thing, considering they are indeed religious and have taken inspiration from the Bible multiple times

Anyway the PS MV was just neat, they know how to tease us and satisfy our appetites and expectations so I’ll hold on to the original release schedules we’ve planned

14,17,20,21,25…28?

[lean mango]

Did anything happen on the 17th?

I know 14th -> Vessel tracks were added, 20th -> Paladin teaser, 21st -> Paladin release

I think 25th and 28th for additional things makes sense

[ember sinew]

Blurry face tweeted !

[tawny leaf]

Wait

what did he tweet

[lean mango]

That wasn't the 17th was it?

[ember sinew]

If I remember correctly it was…

Or no sorry it was on the 18th I’m pretty sure

[lean mango]

Ah, he deleted his tweets on the 17th

He tweeted on the 20th

So yea, this lines up perfectly

[ember sinew]

I remember saying “18th will be good, 20 too and 21/22” and then stuff happened exactly the way we said

Yea ! To me it makes sense to keep on this track instead of making suddenly a 1 year gap for new content

[lean mango]

Right now something has happened at every timestamp in Paladin where Blurry speaks, and nothing on the days for the times where he didn't, as far as I can tell

Unless you count the Vessel song removal

[ember sinew]

Vessel song removal doesn’t count for me

[small turtle]

vessel song removal? what's that??

[olive plume]

the two live tracks

[tawny leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-one-pilots-tøp-clancy-overcompenstate-blurryface-gif-16426738046869658202

https://tenor.com/view/levitate-tyler-joseph-twenty-one-pilots-trench-gif-22749127

how everyone felt after the paladin MV

[ember sinew]

Also, I’m also going to point out that they literally already showed us part of the double album/EP in the DR, it would be very weird to me to show all this so early if the album comes out next year, why not wait later this year to release those ? Nah, it will come earlier than 2025

[cloud lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-josh-dun-lavish-clancy-twenty-one-pilots-gif-2741277809918286461

clancy w/ nico

https://tenor.com/view/at-the-risk-of-feeling-dumb-fight-me-fight-fists-twenty-one-pilots-gif-10176255524320817088

[timber pasture]

me to tyler joseph after the ending of the paladin mv

[ember sinew]

Especially Dema on fire, Clancy on the ground, him coming out of this weird hole… I mean…

[tawny leaf]

guys

what if

the drag path was the friends we made alomg the way

[small turtle]

I have so far not heard anything about him coming out of a hole

that's...upsetting

is he dead

[ember sinew]

Well I was about to send you the DR pic about that

But I can’t find my copy of it ?? It seems to have been removed from the site??

Does anyone still have it or did I just lose something I paid for ? 🥲

[cloud lynx]

in your email perhaps

the DR aren't available in the shop anymore

[ember sinew]

The link doesn’t work :/ it redirects to the site with my order but it says it can’t be found

Very weird

[cloud lynx]

weird :/

[small turtle]

maybe it will come back at some point

it seems sus to completely remove access to something that was purchased

but maybe they want them to be temporary inaccessible for some reason?

this whole thing has been wild

I was asking about this before but nobody said anything--I'm still quite new to lore--but I have seen some stuff about other hints that Clancy might be dead, like SAI being an anagram for 'Clancy is dead' and some other stuff. I'm curious about that because it would make a weird amount of sense, wouldn't it?

[ember sinew]

I don’t know .. yeah it would make sense but still

I’m pretty sure he’s gonna die at some point and resurrect yeah that’s the idea

[small turtle]

I could see that, yeah. But...might he already be dead? Because he states rather baldly that you can only seize a dead body and I know he says he's an exception but again that seems sus--because we haven't been given a reason for him being an exception, have we?

IDK, like I said, I'm new to lore

I'm deeply intrigued by it alll, though

[ember sinew]

I have no response to that 😦 I was sure he was going to die at the end of PS but I’m not sure now, yea I think he’s being seized or at least smeared my Nico, although seizing seems unlikely bc of the lack of orange/red eyes

This is every picture that has not been seen yet or explained in a MV, still a LOT imo

[lone bone]

I still believe the red eyes Clancy photo has to mean something more

[mental granite]

Are vinyls still not available?

I still think that’s super strange

Also would it make more sense to have a part 2/EP after the Clancy tour? Or before and then the tour is a “review”

[weak swallow]

didn’t they remove all of the physical versions on the us store

i doubt they’d remove them all if there wasn’t something added onto clancy soon

[ember sinew]

Yep agree

[cloud lynx]

seems like he was actually resisting the smearing, this time

and defying Nico

so who knows what might happen next

[ember sinew]

Yeah that’s also a possibility, I think it’s either him fighting back, or him actually becoming a bishop and needing Torchbearer to come make sense of him… idk

[wraith gulch]

Here’s something quite interesting.

I guess it’s possible it could have been April last year, but if it was April this year doesn’t this seem like they would have had quite a chunk of time to do stuff for a second album before all the Clancy MVs and such?

Also if it was April this year they put together this MV (from film to release, obviously there was a lot involved before filming) in just about two months.

[ember sinew]

Oooooooh veeeery interesting

I think at least what happens right after Paladin was shot at the same time as PS and we’ll get to see it, it would cost them less and take less time to make it this way

[wraith gulch]

Also, if this was done this April, I can absolutely understand the early June delay, and the band’s silence was them probably not really wanting to throw the studio under the bus.

[sly hazel]

This is usually how videos like this work anyways
They will have shot everything all at once, likely over 5-7 days since a lot of directors/studios etc will charge by the week
And you will want to use the same crew and effects studio etc so everything is consistent

[wraith gulch]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

[sly hazel]

Also the fact they filmed so early and then did the home made videos so late
Makes me feel like they did a hell of a lot inbetween

[ember sinew]

Very true

[wraith gulch]

Well if this was this April then they did the homemade videos first since they were in winter

[ember sinew]

25th it is my frens

Calling it 🗣️🗣️

At least a cryptic teaser as usual

[sly hazel]

Oh well some of them yeah, some before some after
Still a lot of time inbetween for them to be filming other videos or editing together the final pieces of the story

[wraith gulch]

Oh sure. Just trying to put them together in my head. The frozen lake videos and snow videos came obviously from winter. I just looked up when they were spotted filming lavish and that was 90 days ago which was mid to late March. Let’s see, Next Semester was early March filming I believe and done in 3 weeks. Navigating was winter or early spring before the trees started getting buds. Trying to think of what else. Backslide one of the later ones because the trees had buds.

It seems like they did everything from like mid winter to mid April

Which seems quite compressed of a timeline for a mid May release

They said Snap Back was the first they filmed and we really have no way to know when that could have been, that I can think of. Maybe social media posts that show Tyler’s hair possibly.

[sly hazel]

Yeah I think the only way of knowing would be spotting when Tyler's head was shaved

that'd be kinda difficult to pin down to an exact though

[wraith gulch]

I do think that if double album is true and it releases sooner rather than later, and IF it has music videos that accompany the release (versus drawn out like a traditional album cycle) that they would have filmed those prior to anything from Clancy because secrecy is key to a surprise drop (obviously). So before them being active again was on anyone’s radar it would make sense to film that stuff then, and in a very private location, (for example there were zero leaks of any of the frozen lake or field MVs), then it’s ok for Clancy stuff to be seen in public like Lavish.

[quaint steppe]

I’m wondering what everyone’s thoughts are after Tyler’s tweets. I was originally a huge proponent of the second part dropping (or being announced) June 25th or this side of tour. Then I saw Tyler’s tweet about the final battle being after the tour and now I’m in a quandry. My initial thoughts (and hopes) is that we’ll get the part two June 25th or whenever this side of the album cycle and then the final battle after the tour will be the final music video that wraps up the story. But then my more doubtful thoughts are thinking will they drop the second album after the tour (i.e. June 2025 instead of June 25th) concluding the story? I feel like the former makes more sense fan satisfaction-wise given how they’ve hyped the album and the story but the latter makes more sense logistically as it’d mean they space out music and leave more for the rest of tour (though not that they’d need to as normally one regular length album lasts three years anyway). Anyway what do y’all think?

[sly hazel]

I said a few thoughts above
I have a feeling we get the start of the second album roll out on the 25th, and it'll be a more traditional rollout with videos spanning the tour

and then we get the final lore video after the tour, and they then do a second leg as a victory lap

we know that the tour management have plans into 2026 and beyond

[quaint steppe]

I like that theory cause that’d make more sense for music videos during tours and things. Then their second tour can be more like a recollection thing. So then the question is will the announcement of part two be June 25th or sooner? Cause they’ll want some Paladin speculation and buzz for a bit but they won’t wanna cause confusion for too long right? (And Tyler’s clearly dying to clear it all up)

[sly hazel]

I think the 25th will be a bit of a teaser announcement type thing
Maybe we get some BF twitter action doing funky stuff with dmaorg again

[graceful hill]

Honestly idk how much there is to speculate about with paladin

It was pretty straightforward tbh

[fleet pier]

Interesting thought.

[copper tide]

it feels all but confirmed by now that we getting a two-parter

[lean mango]

Could still be just a single

but I find that pretty doubtful

[silent cairn]

I think a deluxe album is the most likely path

[lean mango]

but TyLeR dOeSn'T lIkE dElUxEs

[silent cairn]

Clancy is the final album, but there's a bit more to it.

[lean mango]

yes I'm mocking myself

[silent cairn]

lol

[fleet pier]

To me the fact that no one has refuted the double album/ep/one more song thing give me hope. They have done that before in the past but this time they haven’t acknowledged it.

[lean mango]

Oh, at this point at least 1 more song is 100% for me

the Paladin MV end was as close to direct confirmation as possible IMO without saying it

[still hill]

hey yall do you know where i go for a in deoth timeline of the lore bc ive been a bit behind since trench 💔💔💔

[dawn kettle]

if you want baseline things you should know then watch the music videos! in depth lore there might be a forum going over it or something in the server idk

[graceful pendant]

The I am Clancy video will most likely suffice. Its everything they want you to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozlHHR_eSxc

[still hill]

ik that but i was trying to explain some of the trench // pre trench era like timeline to someone with dates of when things happened like the eye and the discovery of dema website and the older bf tweets !! i just forgot bc it’s been a while i appreciate the help that you’ve given though

[brazen leaf]

ok i think ultimate chapter is coming in 2025 rather than june 25

[lean mango]

I ask again

why would they tease it before Paladin even came out and before we even knew the vid would be a cliffhanger if they meant 2025?

[teal compass]

this has a timeline of dmaorg https://docs.google.com/document/d/16eN20EHIRvIApr0kvQ7lUfJazIf1lxZqYvXoTIBDDm8/edit#heading=h.ba5owpt1olp6

also blurryface twitter timeline https://blurryfacetimeline.crd.co/

first doc also contains a bunch of other useful links at the top

also recommend the wiki https://twentyonepilots.fandom.com/wiki/Dmaorg.info

[still hill]

thank you !!!

[still hill]

yeah true but also do you happen to know if the reason that they posted the vid is bc we started figuring out the puzzle like we found the link from the digital remains right?

[tropic oracle]

i think thats pretty much confirmed no?

[still hill]

what

[lean mango]

as far as I can tell, the Digital Remains puzzle was probably something made at the last minute to reward us for trying to solve something with it

[tropic oracle]

the video was delayed bc we took so long for the puzzle

[lean mango]

My guess is that Paladin was going to premiere when it did anyway

[still hill]

wdym

wby would they make it then

[tropic oracle]

why would he say early june then

[lean mango]

We couldn't have possibly solved the Digital Remains puzzle without Blurryface stepping in, he gave us crucial info that couldn't be found anywhere else

[lean mango]

That was the intent, I think, but the video was only started in April so they were probably really rushed to finish it and it wasn't ready

[tropic oracle]

but it took us a while before we even realized it was a puzzle

i do think blurryface was meant to step in but i think he expected us to do it earlier yk?

[lean mango]

I don't think it was intended as a puzzle at first, at the very least it definitely wasn't a self-contained one

As people have pointed out, asset reuse is just efficient graphic design and results in a lot of things being possible to overlay/piece together even if they're not meant to be anything deeper

But of course we can never know for sure unless it's confirmed at some point

[tropic oracle]

but like knowing tyler and josh it was probably always meant to be one

[lean mango]

However, now that we know Paladin's vid was started only 2 months ago, a delay is very likely for something of that scale

[tropic oracle]

i guess we never know

not rlly important anyway

[quaint steppe]

Not sure if this is dumb but the first few lines of Tyler’s tweet have the following numbers of words. 2, 5, 6. As in 25 6. Might be a coincidence but makes me wonder if that’s why he wrote it like a poem he’s trying to suggest it is 25th of June after all.

But then the line(s) after it is either 7 and 2 or 9 and I don’t know if that’s relevant at all so maybe I’m being dumb

[brazen leaf]

Idk

tyler’s tweet makes me think 2025 when the shows end

[small turtle]

thanks!!

Someone has probably said this already at some point, but I wonder if one reason they left the cliffhanger the way they did was to get more people invested in the lore, so they could fully appreciate what will happen with whatever they add to the album. I'll just say that I was not willing to get into lore until after hearing the end of Paladin Strait. I knew Clancy would be more explicitly lore-focused going in, yet I didn't do a single thing to educate myself about the lore. I was determined to appreciate the album on purely music level--and, for the record, I did!--up until the 'Past the point of no ret--' Door opening. It was like....Blurryface breaking the fourth wall. I coudln't ignore it any longer. And I went crazy, listening to that song over and over and over, trying to work out why it sounded so sad, why there was a reference to Fairly Local, and how this could possibly be the end. And so that's what got me here, into speculation and stuff. I can't be the only one.

[wraith gulch]

That’s really cool to hear actually

[ember sinew]

Yeah !!! You’re one of us now mate

I managed to get an interview with Ty and Josh before their concert in Paris next year, and I’m already working on questions I could ask them

Any interesting ideas ? I really want the video itw to have a “clique section part”
What would you ask them ?

[slate jewel]

maybe something like "is clancy a name or a title?" but it's hard to think up questions rn since we're gonna have so many interviews this era and it's probably challenging to predict what they will and won't say (although you could probably change the questions if one was a repeater, idk how that works)

[ember sinew]

Yeah I thought this too, but I’m still thinking early about lore-related questions or unanswered stuff, like 10 questions…

So drop whatever you want to ask and we’ll see ! We still have time anyway but I find the opportunity so interesting

[quaint steppe]

Just had a thought. Let’s say part two was this side of tour and the announcement is June 25th as we’ve theorised, perhaps the album is August 3rd? Hence 8325 as on August 3rd we get the complete 25 tracks (just in time for tour)

[rancid gust]

August 3rd 2025 💀

[quaint steppe]

Yeh that’s if it’s after the tour, right now we seem to be split on how they’ll release it

[lean mango]

The 3rd is a Monday, would be a bit of a weird day for it but not impossible imo

[keen siren]

So idk if I’m the first to notice this or not but I was listening to their interview on ALT 98.7 FM, and in response to why the album was delayed Josh said that it was because it was taking extra time to edit 14 videos, instead of 13!! Could be an accident OR could’ve been an accident and there really is a 14th track out there!! This is the link if you guys wanna check it out: https://youtu.be/KmhyNq411e0?si=i20UkVGrTciWBuYQ and it’s at 6:40 time stamp. I have another theory that it could mean there are 2 different videos for Paladin straight… maybe 2 different alternate endings to the story, they released the first one but we have to find the secret 2nd alternate video using the DR….? Thoughts?

[wraith gulch]

I think* they were talking about all the video as a whole, since there were indeed 14 MVs for 13 tracks so far (craving single version).

[keen siren]

Oh true 😦 dang

Thought I was cookin

[fleet pier]

😢

[small turtle]

: )

[small turtle]

fjnale of a SEASON of a show...not the actual finale of a show...

[fleet pier]

Yeah good point!

[fallow violet]

maybe they couldn't talk about the delay because it wasn't just mark and their team but a whole big studio involved now? that would explain the silence about it being delayed

like maybe it was some legal stuff with the studio

[lean mango]

Yea, I think that's likely

[sudden hawk]

this also tracks for why Paladin ending sound a lil like the start of Lane Boy/Redecorate studio version? It gives the newly interested some lore to start with? Idkidk

[wraith gulch]

Yep, and they didn’t want to throw the studio under the bus. Knowing the extremely compressed timeline now makes the delay make perfect sense.

Honestly one reason why double album seems so likely to me is because of how bizarrely compressed all the Clancy MVs were done. Like almost rushed. Not in quality, but in terms of flash to bang. It resulted in album being pushed a week and Paladin being pushed by a week or two.

If they were doing all the second album stuff first in order to fly under the radar (before anyone knew they were active), then it makes sense that everything was so compressed before Clancy’s release date.

It has seemed odd ever since Next Semester where we realized it was only 3 weeks from filming to release.

[lean mango]

Do we know anything about the music video timelines for past albums?

Of course it's not the same since they didn't make so many

[wraith gulch]

Right, I mean even if a MV only takes 3 weeks to do normally, they were clearly working on 14 different videos in seemingly a 3-5 month window which seems insaaaanely compressed

[wraith gulch]

And yeah I have no idea for what the timeline usually is. But aside from Paladin it’s been a very small team working on all these videos at essentially the same time. Even for Next Semester Tyler was extremely involved in the editing process. It’s honestly remarkably impressive.

[lean mango]

yea, for sure

[wraith gulch]

It just begs the question of why, why make everything so compressed? To me it seems like because they were also working on something else just as important beforehand

And, it’s not like they were butting right up against a tour start date. There is three months between Clancy and tour start.

[lean mango]

Yea, that's something I brought up awhile ago but people didn't seem to think it meant anything

Or, they thought releasing May 17th was too important symbolically to change it

but like

with being so rushed, and the tour not starting until August anyway, why didn't they just wait until August to release the album?

They didn't even stick with the May 17th release date in the end anyway

So it can't have been so important they couldn't possibly move it

The only real clue we got for May 17th far ahead of time was the screen turning on then in Ned's Cozy Fireplace, but it did the same at 6:07 and that turned out to be nothing

[wraith gulch]

Exactly. I’ve also thought this to be the case like I said pretty much since Next Semester and as we continued to get hints towards possibly more to come, imo it’s the only thing that makes sense.

[lean mango]

IMO that also points towards more coming before tour rather than after, too

(rather than waiting until after, anyway)

[wraith gulch]

I agree

Otherwise very little reason to compress the timeline

[cloud lynx]

right?

it looks like they want to move on 👀

to something else

[fathom charm]

All i know is they cant just drop that torchbearer has an ability and then not explain any of it😭😭 not to speak about all the other loose ends, like how didn't dema burn down after the outside, and what happened to the citizens, that were in OC (cuz tyler was teaching them but for what reason), etc

And why clancy ultimate chapter 25? Like they said PS is the end, but it came on the 21st and didnt have anything related to number 25 soooo what

[lean mango]

in my mind there are way too many loose ends to wrap up in one song, but that's just me

[small turtle]

I don't think that's just you

[wraith gulch]

This discord has been so quiet the last like 24 hours

[cloud lynx]

yeah

we're waiting tbh

lol

[wraith gulch]

Yeah for sure. Two more days, hopefully.

[fallow violet]

i hope we start getting those big post album release interviews tomorrow since now everything is out all the songs and MVs

[wraith gulch]

And to this point as well, even from a marketing/label perspective a mid May release date didn’t make sense since they then had to compete on the charts with Taylor friggin Swift and Billie. If they’d chosen a release date like a month or so later, it’s pretty likely imo they’d top the charts. Not like Tyler or Josh necessarily care, but I guarantee the label does. I think it was chosen for the reasons we keep talking about in this thread, to create room for the next thing.

[hexed haven]

I agree

[cloud lynx]

do u think it is possible they release the double album before the tour, but do the usual rollout or at least reserve the important lore mvs for later?

and the Clancy Tour is a "flashback" and whatever they're gonna do before the actual mv(s) showing the final battle, then they release the final battle (and they might also release other mvs in the meanwhile), then tour again?

[wraith gulch]

I do think this is possible, yeah

[cloud lynx]

but what would they do, mv-wise, for this second album? would they do again the "each song has its own mv" thing so it is fully consistent? (but they could also put one or multiple placeholders)

or would they make some sort of visualizers? which would not be so consistent

[cloud lynx]

that's smth that's scratching my head lol

[wraith gulch]

Yeah that I’m not sure on at all. Tyler had said he hates visualizers, and they kind of set a precedent by doing a MV for every song on Clancy. On the other hand idk how practical doing that again for another album is. On the other hand again, they did 14 videos in like 3-5 months for Clancy so it’s possible I suppose. Or maybe they do like mostly cheaper videos like most of Clancy and do the placeholders again for heavy lore stuff?

[cloud lynx]

oh

didn't they do most of the mvs or at least some of them like...

during the winter?

in december/january/february

the ice for example

[wraith gulch]

Yeah but it was like winter through mid April which is only 4 months, why I said 3-5 months depending on when in winter

They did several in March (backslide, Jenna’s version, and NS) and then PS was mid April. Mash has them nailed down to a pretty good timeline

[cloud lynx]

also PS was not directed neither by Mark nor Donoho

[wraith gulch]

Yep

But what I was getting at earlier today is that I think if they did more MVs for a double album that they probably did those before the ones for Clancy, before anyone realized they were active again, to keep it secret. And this would kind of explain why they were rushed right up to the Clancy released deadline (to the point of being delayed), because the other stuff took longer than anticipated.

[cloud lynx]

ooooh

[wraith gulch]

Maybe not all of them, like higher budget ones I could see them doing later

[cloud lynx]

interesting

[wraith gulch]

But if they did more cheaper ones

[cloud lynx]

then it might be possible...

[wraith gulch]

#1213244361320439828 message

Yeah here is kind of my reasoning earlier

[cloud lynx]

yeah the Clancy rollout was so rushed

like

so compressed

[wraith gulch]

Yep

Both the album and PS were delayed. Which is fine, but strikes one as odd

Idk that anyone would really plan to do 14 MVs in 3-5 months. I mean they certainly were able to, with delays, but it seems more likely to me that if they were working on something else we don’t know about yet, that maybe that took longer than anticipated

[cloud lynx]

not that it was bad, i love was they put out, but it was so like... ok quick let's do that and move onto the next thing

[wraith gulch]

Oh all the MVs I absolutely love. It makes it all that more impressive

But they were clearly all stressed out. Poor Mark. Tyler having to do that video on Twitter about the album delay

And I’m sure Josh too he’s just quieter about it

[cloud lynx]

it could've just be a last moment decision of them, but that's still sus

[wraith gulch]

Of course

[cloud lynx]

when was that Tyler tweet?? about making 14 mvs

[wraith gulch]

I’m definitely not saying this is definitely the case, just that it would kind of explain the compressed Clancy timeline. If true

[cloud lynx]

totally!

[wraith gulch]

I don’t remember exactly. Maybe late April super early May? Right when people started noticing the date change on various sites

[cloud lynx]

hmmm

[small turtle]

I just saw the earlier comment about the album release date having to compete with the likes of Taylor Swift...My sister is a big Swiftie. Never been my thing, and you can't accuse me of not giving it a chance because her albums have been played on repeat in my house for nine years, ever since my sister went hard for Speak Now when she was 14. I can't wait to tell her MY favorite artist pulled an extended album drop...

[wraith gulch]

That’s hilarious

[small turtle]

JUSTICE FOR SAD JEALOUS TOP FANS

MOOOOOREE MUUUSICCCC

[wraith gulch]

Yesssssssss

[small turtle]

DOWN WITH TAY TAY

[small turtle]

'Nice to know my kind will be on my side...'

Not to start a war about Taylor Swift, because I recognize some people may enjoy both her and TOP, but I never really got into pop music on a large scale largely BECAUSE of TS and artists like her. What makes TS stick out is that she does write fairly good poetry. Topic wise, though, she doesn't stand out very much. Finding TOP was a breath of fresh air for me, because it was deep. Even SAI, which sounds all pop-y and light, is full of irony and dark words that don't match the sound. It makes you think. And it makes their songs that are happy mean something. Taylor Swift is always either falling in love or dealing with a break up. It does make a difference that Tyler has been with one woman for over a decade. His love songs mean something, and they change every time; you can see the progression of their relationship, yet also that he is still very much in love. I initially fell in love with TOP because here was this artist who could talk about doubt, depression, suicidal ideation, etc. yet be adamant about the existence of God and the need to keep living, and did it all in such a poetic way. But with time I've come to appreciate the full range of their music. The variation of topics, the changing sounds. It made me come to appreciate rap, which had never been the case before--I spent this weekend learning to rap 'Car Radio' and 'Migraine.' I wouldn't have dreamed of doing that before I got into them.

Sorry...I've never had much of a chance to talk to anyone about my love of this band

I know exactly one person who's a fan and that was the friend who got me into them in the first place (and I think I'm starting to annoy him with how much I talk about it, lol)

[fallow violet]

personally what sends me the most about taylor and her fans is that they go around claiming that taylor has lore, and the lore in question is literally her fans digging into her private life and dissecting her relationships. and i just don't vibe with that. i enjoy her songs and i don't mind she mostly writes about relationships and break ups. her level of easter egging is close to any other pop artist i've seen. but it pales so much in comparison to tøp that seeing people praise that aspect of her so much just looks very silly

[small turtle]

yeah, even my sister complains about other fans' obsession with reading everything through the lens of her personal life

[sly hazel]

TOP is just in a league of their own, there is just simply no other artist like them

[small turtle]

yup : )

[fallow violet]

yeah i find that aspect of her fandom extremely offputting. i do sometimes find myself wondering that maybe i would've been a fan if it wasn't for that

[sly hazel]

The only artist I've seen get anywhere close to having similar lore and representation is NF

[fallow violet]

i know some artists that do have deep lore and storylines, it's very common in kpop. but i've never seen anything as interactive as tøp's lore. i would say that aspect makes this the most special. the fan engagement with the lore is just next level

[sly hazel]

Oh for sure, the fan engagement they give us is insane
Constantly giving us stuff to figure out, easter eggs and parallels between videos and songs etc
The fact they release something and then immediately come and see how we are interpreting it and figuring stuff out to see if we are getting what they wanted us to is testament to their care for the fans

[fallow violet]

even getting inspired by us as they were figuring out this story and us literally influencing it in return too, it says so much

[small turtle]

or like when Tyler comments on Twitter that he saw we're disappointed Clancy didn't top charts and he says artists who care about that sort of thing are missing the point and says he's proud of us

it's so sweet

[sly hazel]

He cares about the music, the story and sharing his vision with the world and his fans
The fact they are successful at doing so I think is whatever to him

[fallow violet]

when you can just feel the authenticity of an artist like this imo it's one of the best feelings ever as a fan

[cloud lynx]

yesss

they're so authentic

they genuinely love performing and creating music

and it shows

[long rose]

And I love the fact that what they do not only translates into music, but a story, an interaction, gratitude with the fans, a performance, a lot of dedication and above all such a powerful message that ends up resonating with so many people that it makes you see that it's not just about them but about everyone. Which personally is what I believe is what being an artist is all about, that even makes me think about my purpose in life beyond myself.

[mental granite]

I’m so nervous about the 25th😅 we have the puzzle and weird cryptic posts to back us up, but did we have anything solid for JUNE 25th?

Maybe I just need to reread the rly good summary that was written up

[next fossil]

I really doubt that anything is going to come out on the 25th

The only reason we thought that smth would happen on the 25th was bc we were trying to figure out when the paladin strait video will drop, right? So that was one of the most plausible options

[long rose]

The repeated 6/25 that could only be the Josh's story from Instagram but also his tweet that has 6 words 25 letters. The Tyler Liked tweet about something realeasing on 6/25

[willow narwhal]

1 more day till 25.
I think we will get something. PS had a cliffhanger, and i think we will hopefully have some more answers.

Double album i would be so happy with, but i also think it is unlikely. I think itll be cryptic messages or something along those lines.

[fallow violet]

it is something but nothing concrete and official unlike the actual 25 hints, so i'm not putting all my eggs into this basket, but excited for tuesday regardless, if they do anything.

[long rose]

That's true too, I'm just glad they're giving us more, no matter when they decide to do it, even though they've put out more now than ever before.

[fallow violet]

same!! there is so much and they havent even done the usual big interviews yet, i hope they will start dropping now that paladin mv is out, i cant wait to hear them talk more about this album

[olive plume]

it’s either gonna be radio silent on tuesday or tyler’s gonna tweet something that’s like 6 words but 24 letters

[tawny leaf]

Ha

i hope drag path releases the 25th

because we cant wait another year

[light chasm]

Imagine: the Clancy world tour is about to start. You hear the low rumble as the curtain drops and the beginning of overcompensate starts. The lights are going crazy. The audience is going nuts. Then it all cuts out. The lights all turn bright white. Josh is on stage without drums and you hear him sing the first word of the pantaloon “YOUR” all cracky. $300 wasted

[still hill]

when did they drop that 😭😭😭

[burnt scarab]

best $300 ever

[slate jewel]

"ability to guide", during the livestream

[tame tendon]

Freak out cause it's the pantaloon

Any mention of self titled would make me die tbh

[light chasm]

Not the pantaloon

[brazen leaf]

Fellow double album enthusiasts

tomorrow is the 25th

what are we thinking

[long rose]

tomorrow for me is 24

oh wait, the time change between countries sorry

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/majoras-mask-majora-zelda-final-day-gif-26658556

[stuck frigate]

Im starting to think the 25 is referring to 2025

Ig we shall see tho

[somber bear]

Negative

I think we are getting something 2025 after the tour bc of the tweet

[brazen leaf]

same

[long rose]

I just wouldn't shut down all the expectations just in case

[compact arrow]

Like many have said they wouldn’t tease something that is a year away right now.

Since I’ve been a fan (early vessel 2013) they have always teased stuff that is either coming out later that week or weeks or months max.

Never in years

[cedar cradle]

if nothing happens tomorrow then double album is basically impossible for me personally

[long rose]

It's okay my dude, they still have things up their sleeves and things to say.

[cedar cradle]

im just so disappointed with paladin ngl

[long rose]

Why tho?

[cedar cradle]

idk the ending wasnt good, the zombies were kinda cringe and idk it just felt fake ngl

and kinda fanservic-ey

[long rose]

In one hand, things were done as good as they could because it was such a big production and as it seems, things were a bit rushed in order to meet expectations and time limits (such as films or videogames that when rushed some things could be done a bit better, such as people raging against new marvel movies because of the cgi/vfx doesn't look as good. And that's not a thing about artist being bad, it's about rushing it and making it as good as it could possibly get because of the time limt they have agains quality that needs time). The ending was clearly a cliffhanger because we haven't seen the final like confrontation, what happened to the red banditos and also if the bishops were just knocked down or in fact defeated.

[cedar cradle]

idk i really would've prefered something less MASSIVE and instead be more personal, like i adore the shots of tyler/clancy on his own, especially the one where hes running through the tunnel (but i know that im going low)

[long rose]

On the other hand, that "fanservic-ey" was good in my opinion because is wrapping up 10 years of history of dema story, I get what you're saying and I respect your opinion, I just think that... to wrap a story this long feels deserved to have all this being told and show how some things are done and the plan of the banditos and the fight of the bishops.

[cedar cradle]

ok the bishops i cannot excuse tf was that

nico really got them wheelies

[long rose]

nothing can be 100% to everyone's taste and that's okay because we are human and imperfect. It seems to me fair and incredible what they are trying and achieving, being that they started as a simple music band and have transformed into all this so great of everything they want to tell as a group and as people.

Hope you have a good night! Need to rest for today

[amber yoke]

A bit late to this party, but in Paladin there's also all these people that are doubled in the Banditos (including Clancy himself). Also, there's the whole thing about Clancy not being the same person as Tyler. So a lot of twos.

[hidden rock]

Guys I just discovered that one of my sweaters has this in the back of the clothes label, does it mean something!? 🤔

[marsh matrix]

I genuinely cant tell if this is a troll or not, autism moment

If you are being serious: that is the back stitching that is an unavoidable part of manufacturing cloth pattern stitching

If you are trolling/joking: lmao

Backslide could be because he cant shake it again being a second time? Big stretch imo but possible

[fallow violet]

i keep saying this but if this is how they planned out the era aka split it into two and for this tour concept being before the final battle, they have to essentially tease something this far in advance, they decided to do the cliffhanger, would you rather them not say anything after it and give us no hints nor info about the continuation ?? like i don't understand this argument

[winged sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/squad-coming-cult-mob-one-of-us-gif-14283140

explain this

to tylor swift fans

i doubt they would

even understand it

[static sinew]

maybe of the major artists at the moment this could be true , but like lets not bash other artists. plenty of artists do lore , like gorillaz and mcr and even smaller acts like poppy and magdalena bay and the like , just to name a few. imo tøp's puzzles are very entry-level w their simplicity

but i def agree that calling an artists personal life "lore" as is often done w taylor is extremely deranged and unhealthy both for the fans and the artist

[static sinew]

when loc dropped and we got the clancy is dead clue , i had this idea that i really hope tøp or some other artist ends up using/stealing. basically , it entailed attempting a similar arg to loc , but with actual stakes - where we had a deadline to save clancy. if we failed , hed stay locked up and if we succeeded we successfully freed him , and the next album released would depend on us. im kinda hoping maybe they do something like that w the continuation to paladin - maybe we get to actually play the part of the "jury" in clancys trial and the ending of the story depends on us

i just think it would be really cool to like actually partake in saving clancy

and equally as interesting if our failure to solve puzzles actually had an in-world effect

[green night]

tyler swift

[static sinew]

i think the main problem w all the mvs being up front isnt the production cost , but moreso the fact that you cant really have post-album singles/mvs

if they wanna spread out the loredrops from part 2 throughout the era it would be smart to do it in the more traditional way

but if part 2 is complete upon release , mvs for all songs could happen again

[fallow violet]

this video is sometime from 2022 right? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KUi_zdWLBsk

what was he working on when clancy was literally made since like april 2023 with paul

[static sinew]

prob scrapped ngl

[fallow violet]

yeah theres a Lot of that since like 2019

[static sinew]

also like just bc paul joined april 2023 doesnt mean tyler wasnt making demos / older versions of songs that got put on clancy in 2022

[fallow violet]

oh yeah that makes sense

[static sinew]

like the judge was first written in 2010 apparently

tyler prob had ideas hed been workin on for a while , then paused that for the south america stuff , then when they came back from that had paul take a look at it

when paul joined overcomp was already written , just not produced

[timid python]

Hi,
I just received the email for the Paladin MV, it's in french and I think that it's slightly different from the english version.
It says : " the mv of the 13th AND last song from Clancy "
Sorry if the info already get to you guys, I'm new here 🤗

[fleet pier]

I’m losing hope that we’re getting anything else. Could that really be the end?

[cosmic jewel]

I saw a screenshot of a tyler's tweet saying "Don't let him win" but can't find the tweet on ty page.

If that tweet it's true and recent, this is not the end.

[fallow violet]

definitely not a real recent tweet but that doesnt mean its proof we arent getting anything

its very clearly not the end

[timid python]

The end of the album Clancy, propably. We can still have something else

[fallow violet]

right now its just a question of what form does the final battle take and when does it happen

but theyve been saying the final battle happens later after the album and that the ending of this album teases something even before the album came out

many were thinking its gonna be the paladin mv but it wasnt so

there is obviously something we are still missing

i dont think there even should be a conversation about whether paladin was the ending or not because by now its very clear it wasnt

[static sinew]

could also just be the fault of the translators

[fallow violet]

paladin being the last song/video from the clancy album as we know it right now is a very true statement that doesnt deny nor confirm anything else.

[static sinew]

for example , fnaf tried to have a mystery w ambiguous pronouns for a character , but a translation used feminine pronouns

the reveal ended up that the character was a male character , and the translator wasnt given the memo ahead of time to avoid leaks

[reef oxide]

Right

[timid python]

Could be, I don't know and I don't remember the english version

[fallow violet]

i think what's more interesting is that it wasn't promoted at all as the grand finale of the story, like don't you think they would have talked about it like that if it were the actual ending, and it wasn't

[reef oxide]

That's what im saying yeah and the tweet he posted recently we preparing for the fight to know what we fighting for

[static sinew]

mrrrow mrrrow cat pfp

(slash positive)

paw-sitive

[fallow violet]

i think chances are high that the doubles are just editing mistakes tbh

[reef oxide]

Could be but overall through out clancy there is alot of mentions of 2

[fallow violet]

oh yeah i agree with that

[reef oxide]

I mean check at the album cover he posted its way different then ours must mean something

Also someone did a transparent image of nico coming through the door over the red part and its a perfect match i think it was @proud plover

[amber yoke]

Idk, they know how deeply we overanalyze everything. I don’t think they would do this as a “mistake”. There are multiple banditos that are repeated

[static sinew]

the clancy repeat is whats interesting to me

esp bc hes not an exact copy paste like the others are

[amber yoke]

My theory is that there’s really two people, Clancy and Tyler, and only one of them is in the battle. The other one is somewhere else (maybe at the top of that rock?) controlling the battle from afar. I also think that maybe Tyler/Clancy found a way to Seize someone that is not dead (hence the overcompensate video). That’s also why “Clancy” walks weirdly on the beginning of the video (on the “wait what wait what” part). He is literally learning how to seize the body of someone that is alive

That also fits the “fake antlers” theory, since the one that climbed to find Nico needed to look like he had the antlers too

In the scene where the banditos walk to Clancy, in Paladin, for the first time, I believe they bring the box for Clancy to put the stuff inside, and then they take it to camp, where Tyler takes it (or maybe Tyler puts it in and Clancy takes it out)

[ripe wharf]

25 words in the caption. They’re messing with us 😭

[wraith gulch]

Yeah and 6 in the pinned tweet

And the “agreed” reply is one word…one more day?

[olive plume]

it’s also 6 letters

tomorrow

[wraith gulch]

Oh snap good point

Put that in verified dawg

[sly hazel]

Someone count the amount of periods they've used recently

[open bluff]

Something will probably happen tomorrow, but ain't no way that'll be the end

[sly hazel]

We had 11 at FPE, maybe they've used 11 recently too

[olive plume]

if we start counting at the paladin strait announcement on the band account, there’s been 6 periods since then

including that announcement tweet

i feel like i’m seeing patterns in clouds

[sly hazel]

Lmfao starting to see antlers in the patterns of the sidewalk

[green night]

yesssss

[storm iron]

It being rushed is a point for double album to me. Why rush it if they didn’t have another date to meet. If it truly was the last thing, they would have just pushed it off and not told anyone.

[tame tendon]

If it ain't this 25th we just wait till next month

[open bluff]

But what if the final battle after the shows is the album?

[long rose]

It's possible... but is it Plausible?

[open bluff]

Thats how I understood the tweet from Tyler

But I'd love to be wrong lmao

[fallow violet]

why? isn't more music to finish the story after paladin a good thing

[open bluff]

I mean like I thought another album would drop next year and not this month

[fallow violet]

so many people are against waiting till 2025 it's so funny to me, like why do yall want it to be over so bad

[open bluff]

And I want to be wrong because this month would be awesome

[fallow violet]

i was upset it was gonna be over this quickly tbh if it was already this month

[open bluff]

Honestly idk but whatever they're gonna do I'm here for it

[green night]

no its just unlikely theyd build so much hype for nothing

the last 2 weeks saw so so much new lore and shit

why make everyone wait a year

[fallow violet]

what it is that is nothing though

[open bluff]

And I don't want it to be over haha, I love the story they're telling

[green night]

the hype in one year

[fallow violet]

they released the livestream and saturday mv and the outside mv like a year apart too

[green night]

yeah but there wasnt much anticipation for those

announcing an album so soon with these pieces of lore and cryptic stuff doesnt make a lot of sense

they were always announced like 3 months prior

[fallow violet]

that is not a good argument to me😭 like okay how does that stop them from showcasing the ending throughout the whole era instead of everything happening in one month

[green night]

they could but idk if they have enough stuff to keep the train moving for a whole year

and if they did then why post so many things right now (puzzle, website, etc) just to flatten it out later on

[fallow violet]

so they were supposed to end this on the cliffhanger and not throw us a bone about anything and just be quiet? if this is how they planned this era out ill be delighted to have a hint and even better an announcement about it already, even if its a year away, throwing us into a cliffhanger and not saying anything wouldve made way less sense than them hinting at something a year in advance

[fallow violet]

yeah we dont know so whats the point of dismissing it already

[green night]

thats happening rn lmao

cliffhanger and now silence

[cloud lynx]

it's funny how this could be such a reach, but it also makes a lot of sense, and we know they can actually be cryptic like that
😭

[fallow violet]

its been like 3 days and tyler already explained the concept of the tour, lmao, why say it as if they've been quiet for weeks and months already

[green night]

i mean silence about the lore

[fallow violet]

if they end up being quiet until the tour starts then i will complain, no reason for me to complain about stuff that hasnt happened yet

[fallow violet]

like i said its been 3 days

[cloud lynx]

a double album could explain so many things

lmao

[green night]

ik

[static sinew]

SAME
i dont want it to end until the era does

[static sinew]

i mean

the ending of the outside built similar hype w its cliffhanger

im really surprised by the amount of people upset w this cliffhanger when weve had plenty of year-long (if not more) waits after cliffhangers before

[cloud lynx]

it wasn't the same tbh

[static sinew]

tour does a LOT to get people hype imo

[static sinew]

how

[cloud lynx]

we didn't have any teasing like we have rn

[static sinew]

people keep saying this but i dont understand

[cloud lynx]

"Clancy Ultimus Capitulus"

or a bunch of other things

they didn't actually tease a follow up

[modern atlas]

Clancy is supposed to be the end but Paladin Strait wasn’t the end

However if we were to get a part two of the album it wouldn’t be til 2025 which seems a bit odd to wait a year to release part two of an album

[static sinew]

i agree. like how the outside ended we KNEW there was another album coming , just not when or what it would be about

this is similar - theyre telling us "hey its not over , this is just the beginning of the finale" but theyre not really announcing anything yet

[static sinew]

plenty of artists do deluxes 1-2 years after

[fallow violet]

but the difference with this is they kinda HAVE to already tease a follow up, like they set themselves up for teasing something already even if it’s a year in advance, since they already set paladin strait up as the oh you thought it was the end but surprise there’s more

[cloud lynx]

yeah but they didn't with The Outside

aka the cliffhanger and the whole situation was not the same, unlike what les-ben said

[modern atlas]

but it’s not a delux, it’s a continuation of the story

[static sinew]

to me it would be weirder if we had all the lore end before tour even started

like the era is still in its infancy

its still learning to walk

and yall are putting it in its neon grave already

[static sinew]

i mean plenty of concept albums have also had deluxes that do that

im begging yall to listen to more music lmao

[static sinew]

i can think of at least 2 from artists that i listen to. magdalena bay , for example , had an album with a storyline that then concluded in its deluxe which dropped a year later. its not uncommon at all

[cloud lynx]

so that's my point, they didn't w/ The Outside, the hype and the teasing are different this time, the situation is not the same either

the ending of the outside built similar hype w its cliffhanger
quoting les-ben here

[fallow violet]

yeah that’s what i’m saying, they didn’t have to because the outside wasn’t set up as the surprise it’s not the ending yet music video, like i keep asking this but would you rather them not tease the follow up after paladin at all instead ? because that’s how it reads to me at this point, like they kinda had to throw us something even if it’s a year in advance to me, imagine right now if we didn’t have the clancy ultimus capitulus thing, how even more confused would we feel

[cloud lynx]

fair

esp with how much they teased Clancy as the ending lmao

[fallow violet]

like i just don’t see the whole “but why would they tease something a year in a advance” as a good enough argument, like why not ? they are clearly already doing something they’ve never done before

[long rose]

Exactly

[cloud lynx]

oh hey btw i'm not saying they can't do that

(teasing smth a year in advance)

in fact i'm more and more believing that's what may happen

🥲

[fallow violet]

yeah i get it, on one hand it’s a long wait but on the other hand i feel like it’s great, back in february i was actually wondering after the album is out, how are they gonna keep the hype for the rest of the era, if we just get the ending in may, we are still in the very beginning basically and for it all to end so quickly also feels wrong to me

[cloud lynx]

yeah i see

there's a problem i have rn

we're in June

PS mv is out
what can they do now

[fallow violet]

and they are clearly once again doing something they’ve never done before and honestly that alone is already exciting to me

i’m excited to find out because i have no clue !! and if we just get brutal silence and nothing then Iwill have opinions, but right now i don’t feel like worrying about it i wanna be excited

[modern atlas]

I just recently started listening to TOP again, but I’ve never really followed the whole production aspect of the music. It’s out when it’s out

[static sinew]

this exactly , when the outside dropped we KNEW it wasnt the ending. theyre doing the same thing here - giving us enough hints to know its not the end , to be patient. so be patient !

[fallow violet]

also many people struggle to believe another whole album is needed for the rest of the story and like, it’s true you can probably wrap this up in like one or two songs, but that doesn’t mean they can’t release another set of songs, the clancy album only basically has 2 lore songs so it’s not that unbelievable the second part would be structured the same way

[cloud lynx]

Even without the lore

The album had a theme, a story, a journey, throughout the songs

in relation to the lore, but it's also its own story through Clancy/Tyler's mind

[fallow violet]

oh absolutely, after what tyler said about the tour it just confirmed my interpretation that the clancy songs do in fact seem like collection of memories and the state of mind of the character right before the final battle

[cloud lynx]

So like

I can see a second album that has a different theme, that fits into the lore, but also tells a story by itself

even if there could be only 2 or 3 lore-heavy songs

[sly hazel]

I feel like Clancy is a full character breakdown of our protagonist and his thought process, and Tyler's tweet kinda confirms that with the flashback of his life and showing the reasons to fight (reminds me of BF in a lot of ways thematically)
I am thinking that Clancy part 2 is then going to be closer to Trench is thematically, more about your support system and how they help save you in dark times

[cloud lynx]

That also fits with how kinda "disorganized" or "incoherent" the album feels
(I'm not saying it in a bad way)
It's a recollection of memories, that may or may not be related to each other

[fallow violet]

yeah if the second part is the actual final battle it will be for sure about that and a conclusion like a final message of what this all means, doesn’t necessarily mean a lore dump but the themes will be present

[sly hazel]

In some ways I think Oldies Station does a good job of setting up that idea

[fallow violet]

yeah it does seem kinda all over the place on purpose, the more you sit with these songs the more you see the intention for sure

[cloud lynx]

Oldies Station kinda...

like

i forgot the word

stands out?

thematically

[sly hazel]

It really does

It's very different

[cloud lynx]

yup

[fallow violet]

and the placement of the tracklist does too imo

[sly hazel]

The rest of the album feels much more drawn back, more doubts and worry about backsliding and falling into bad habits

[cloud lynx]

right before PS

[sly hazel]

Oldies Station is right on the opposite side, takes you through the stages of recovery into just dealing with life, literally rolling on through, rolling with the punches and coming out the other side

[olive plume]

oldies station feels like clancy’s neon gravestones

in the sense that it’s the whole thesis of the album

neon gravestones was all like. we need to restructure our lives around celebrating life itself and being able to grow old despite feeling like we won’t be able to make it

and then oldies station is like. this is how we made it and we will continue to make it and life is beautiful with a little more wrinkles around your eyes

[tropic oracle]

oldies station will never be as good as neon gravestones

sorry its just so good

[olive plume]

i wasn’t saying it was on par with neon gravestones, just that the messages align

[tropic oracle]

oh no yeah im just rambling

sorry im like #1 neon gravestones fan

[jade mantle]

Double album tomorrow or EP (the 7’33” tweet got me)

[safe spade]

Dropping the Columbus video today feels so suspicious 🤨

[quaint steppe]

I’ve just realised, given Tyler’s had this story in his head for nine years, it’s not insane to imagine that he could have written some of the finishing songs years and years ago. Now sure there’s still production, but if he already had some of these alongside Scaled and Icy during lockdown then is it inconceivable that he’s been working on the end of this story for a long while with Paul Meany?

[sly hazel]

they said they had an album like 50% finished during the SAI era
and thye keep saying that they've only been working on Clancy for like a year or just over

[compact arrow]

Eh idk I preferred ending the story like they said.

[magic surge]

I'm unsure if anyone claimed this yet, but during the album release livestream, tyler kept saying," this wouldn't have been on the record if it wasn't for josh". I like to think, where would he have put these songs? Another album.

And keep in mind, if he took out those songs he mentioned, the album would be significantly shorter and they would likely have to pick other songs from another pool of songs that were unreleased.

Idk thoughts?

[storm iron]

I thought it was odd too. Particularly because they’re some of the better songs!

[magic surge]

Exactly

[wraith gulch]

Yep this is one of my theories as well. Completely agree with you.

[static sinew]

okay wait actually guys do we remember that interview from 2019 where tyler said theres a major lore character we hadnt met yet

do we think that still applies

[fallow violet]

well it's clearly already not happening the way we thought it would, based on what theyve previously said we thought it would end with paladin, yet here we are, but also to be fair to them, they have been hinting at paladin not being the finalle since before the album released, we just didnt know what to make of it

[static sinew]

like maybe we get a new character in part 2

[split island]

I think there is another theory that this just meant as a spotlight for Josh being the guiding guardian/angel/whatever/torchbearer. He guided Tyler into making the best selection of songs. I would easily believe Tyler straight up lied for the bit

[static sinew]

im ngl i never thought it would end w paladin

all of their eras have had progression of the narrative

• josh teased a plot twist back in march

[sly hazel]

Been thinking about this tbh
It's so weird that we are so close and we still haven't met this person
I'm wondering if they just changed the story from what it was before and they're not needed anymore

[static sinew]

like throughout the era

[static sinew]

ive begun thinking this person is ned ? or maybe keons ?

bc we had met ned at that point but not in a lore sense

[sly hazel]

I guess we haven't "met" Keons directly still

[ripe wharf]

I would love another album that is like a “flashback” of how he got to where he is (he being either Tyler, Clancy, blurryface, etc), that has songs that fill in blanks, gives more backstory, and how it leads all the way up to whatever happens next

[static sinew]

like chlorine isnt technically canon

[static sinew]

i think red hair torchbearer (or corpsebearer) is who he was back when he still served dema

i wish we could get some expansion on that , and on how the banditos came to be

bc they teased corpsebearer , which is cool , and id like them to elaborate on it

and also the whole trifecta thing

[sly hazel]

I think the Ukrainian torchbearer we see is what Torchy becomes in the next steps of the story

He sheds his torchbearer guiding status and instead becomes more of a driving force to find Clancy

[fallow violet]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT YOURE SO RIGHT

he definitely meant this

[fathom charm]

Because most people were prepared for the ending in this year, and it would be just dumb to wait a year, from a marketing point of view. Interest would drop probably, or even people would be angry

[open bluff]

so what do we think will happen tomorrow?

[fallow violet]

then i guess im not people because im excited about this concept

[static sinew]

same

also i was 100% expecting the end to be clancy the ERA , not clancy the ALBUM

[fathom charm]

Weeeell then u must be very patient, cuz a lot of people were even angy, when the album got delayed only one week

[static sinew]

if that makes sense

exactly like how sai progressed throughout the era

[fallow violet]

when i think of the alternative aka everything ending right now and so quickly. i am very excited about the fact that there is a possibility they are prolonging it

[static sinew]

same. when they announced mvs for all songs i felt really cheated out of several more years of lore , so im really thankful its continuing

[open bluff]

i don't think i'd be angry either way, if they do decide to release it next year then they'll probably have good reasons for it

[fallow violet]

its a much better pacing than everything dropping at once, and those were literally my initial worries in february that everything would just drop at once and there will be nothing left the rest of the era

[static sinew]

its kinda like how when a final season gets announced , usually (before the binge model at least) episode 1 would be way before episode 22. but its still the final season. this is the final season of dema , and its just starting

netflix has ruined my analogy but its also ruined the tv industry so like its kinda just proving my point

binge model SUCKS

[fallow violet]

so true

[static sinew]

me and adri rn 🤝

[cloud lynx]

didn't he say "hasn't been introduced yet" or smth like that?

which would be true in the case of Clancy

[static sinew]

clancy had been introduced since 2018 ,,,,

[cloud lynx]

not in a mainstream way

he never was the full focus

[static sinew]

okay but like he was very much known

[cloud lynx]

only to people who knew the letters and some lore

[static sinew]

i think in that interview he even mentions him

[open bluff]

maybe they'll drop new songs over a long period of time? (might be a hot take)

and then there's a finale after the shows

[cloud lynx]

he still wasn't actually introduced to the mainstream audience

he didn't have the focus on him yet

[cloud lynx]

he never was even named on the albums

[static sinew]

doesnt seem to be about clancy

[cloud lynx]

Clancy wasn't rly talked on Trench (the record, not the other content)

nor SAI

or at least was never referred by his name

but i mean

maybe there do be still a character we don't know yet

[open bluff]

i feel like it kinda is

or maybe not

it's confusing

[cloud lynx]

Clancy fits this description

on the screenshot

[graceful hill]

Could've been trash

[cloud lynx]

"talked about on any record" is technically true about Clancy

he was talked about, but not on the records themselves

[static sinew]

his name was anagrammed in sai , and that very same interview namedrops the banditos , and like clancy kinda is one

[open bluff]

he doesn't play a huge role tho

[floral glade]

Maybe josh ? But he talked about it in good day

[static sinew]

torchbearer i could agree w

[graceful hill]

Eh true

[static sinew]

clancy not so much

interviewers asked tyler about clancy a lot at the time

[sly hazel]

"recall all that and introuduce a new character"
Feels a hell of a lot like we already got the recall bit

[static sinew]

okay but "a new direction" doesnt really fit , since taking down dema has always been the goal

if anything this fits ned more than clancy

i guess

[open bluff]

wasn't ned introduced already in the chlorine video

[static sinew]

he was , but he technically wasnt canon yet

i mean by that logic clancy was introduced in the jumpsuit mv

[cloud lynx]

and Clancy was never actually talked about on the records before Clancy

[static sinew]

neither was ned

never namedropped

[cloud lynx]

i still do think this was about Clancy lol

[open bluff]

i just think it's confusing lmao

[fallow violet]

yeah gonna have to agree with this one

i dont think tyler considered clancy the character to be known until this album

he wasnt explicitly mentioned anywhere

unless you followed the story like we did, but now the name is out there for everyone to see

to quote one of his first trench interviews when he was trolling that journalist with "how do u know about clancy. clancy's not on the record"

[cloud lynx]

like yes, literally

u never see the character even being talked about, in previous records

heck, a lot of people, including me, even thought Tyler and Clancy were different characters

[olive plume]

100% this. he probably meant “named” characters, and at that point, we weren’t supposed to know clancy was clancy until clancy himself got confident enough to show himself, which he did in Clancy (the album)

i wonder if “the new direction” he meant was more of a character study/interiority album rather than the worldbuilding they’ve been doing

or maybe something to do with SAI? how they decided to go a more propaganda/“happy” route? i wonder if they were planning on still doing something like SAI if the pandemic hadn’t had happened when it did, since i know bandito tour was supposed to still be going on (i think?)

[cloud lynx]

i wonder how much of an idea the whole "propaganda" thing already was before the pandemic

or how much it changed his plans

[storm quarry]

SOMETHING has to have happened inside his mind When Tyler closes his eyes and when he opens them in the MV. When he closes his eyes, the tour flashback happens. When he opens his eyes, he’s ready to fight, and we will get a PT 2 post tour. Hence why I think 2025 is ultimate chapter not June 25

[olive plume]

i think maybe they still had the idea to do a propaganda album but the livestream was definitely a byproduct of the pandemic

[long rose]

Would anyone be mad if the 6/25 is an ARG to uncover the beginning of the part 2 of clancy and the date beign 2025?

[split island]

I will be bc I have a total of 4 hours of meetings on the afternoon of June 25th

It was 3.30 pm when Blurryface tweeted and changed his banner earlier this week and trust me the suffering was real

Sitting in that darn office

[cedar yacht]

Ahhh the delulu is real here

I have a bad feeling ain't nth happening tmrw...

[cloud lynx]

i don't remember when was the interview where he said he had two ideas and directions for a record

but i believe somewhere around 2019-2020

[cedar yacht]

Zane Lowe 2020

(:

[cloud lynx]

yeah

[cedar yacht]

Sai and unnamed record

Not clancy for sure imo

[fallow violet]

he did say in a recent interview that he wanted to incorporate the themes of isolation into the story regardless, it just kinda worked out with sai this way, so i think the themes of sai wouldve still been present somewhere

[cloud lynx]

it's a happy coincidence lol

it fitted with the IRL situation

[fallow violet]

https://youtu.be/KmhyNq411e0?si=3hsImUIL6PUtFQqN&t=112 yeah here is where he said it

[fleet pier]

FBR referred to Paladin Strait as track #13 as well. Could they be teasing something more as well?

[static sinew]

they 100% are

atp more to come is undeniable

[cloud lynx]

hm

the way they teased it

"Is it the end? You tell us. 👀"

right before the 25th...

[rancid delta]

If we do get something tomorrow do we think it will be midnight or sometime during the day?

[patent coral]

I'm certain of a second album/ep and want to believe something will happen tomorrow so badly, but those tweets from Tyler really feel like a "don't get your hopes up" kind of vibe

[long rose]

I believe midnight to freak people out but just for fun

[olive plume]

i feel like it would be very cruel if nothing happens tomorrow or if there really is nothing more coming

i can admit maybe we were being delusional when it comes to the numbers stuff but if fueled by ramen (and the band) are teasing that there’s more to come and then nothing actually comes…

[wraith gulch]

I respectfully request all 2025 truthers to give us 6/25 believers one final 24 hours of delulu 🙏
/lighthearted

[patent coral]

that's fair

I hope you get to say I told you so tomorrow

[wraith gulch]

Nah that’s not my style but yeah we’ll know either way sooo soon

[long rose]

Oh and also people saying: I CALLED IT. Like they were the first ones. I just love the hype about the date 😂 ❤️

[cloud lynx]

guys

i had an idea

[long rose]

👀

[cloud lynx]

but like

what if

what if they release new singles over time during that tour?

new songs

then at the end, we get the full album/compilation

[long rose]

That'll be cool except for the fact of the tour and time they give to the audience to remember the songs

But other than that, more songs me likey

[cloud lynx]

actually i think my idea is shit now lol

unlikely

but it was just a thought

[long rose]

It is not don't worry, every theory should be welcomed

[wary oak]

what if, the song "next semester" alludes to the fact that we are seeing a tired clnacy. and will start again the next semester with an improved album? that the next semester of this year is about to begin

[modern atlas]

I got more of a traumatic memories feel (some doors have stay out spray painted in white, the space between a painful reminder and a terrible dream, screaming “hey kid get out of the road!”, it’s not worth the risk of losing a friend, etc.)

plus midwest indigo is mostly about memories of the past (although definitely not traumatic)

[fleet pier]

Announcement at 3:00??? Release tomorrow???

3pm est

lol never mind

[wraith gulch]

It was a good thought lol

[olive plume]

i can see them dropping something with no announcement

if we take the page in the digital remains as an announcement of some kind

[modern atlas]

what page?

[brazen leaf]

i think we should just be grateful, yes some parts looked patchy or low quality but they’ve spent so much money and they are not a billion dollar studio and the stuff they did create looked amazing for a band

there’s no band putting stuff out like them so even if it looks slightly bad in places i respect the effort

[long rose]

That's something I really appreciate, they are not disney with their almost unlimited budget to make a work as big scale as an infinity war or something like that, they are simply a band that wants to give that extra because they think we are worth it.

[olive plume]

the page with clancy’s final/ultimate chapter 25

[warm crescent]

if its for 2025 and not 6/25 they honestly should’ve said “clancy is in two parts and one will be this year and the second will be the year after”

instead of “IT ENDS ON THIS RECORD” when it just… doesn’t

[modern atlas]

what does that say exactly

[warm crescent]

clancy ultimus capitulus 25

[modern atlas]

ultimus capítulos

[modern atlas]

what exactly does this mean

[long rose]

Is in latin, it means Last Chapter

(although I don't know if it means in singular or plural)

[safe spade]

Also I should mention Ashley posted these an hour ago 👀 https://www.instagram.com/p/C8m0hylv55N/?img_index=1

ashleyosborn

@twentyonepilots on ilford 3200 + 400 / ‘clancy’ artwork in the forest (winter 2024)

assist / LD by @keeganattlee
styling by @lkprop
creative direction @reelbearmedia @brandonrike
BTS @mase

This was such an insane adventure. we layered up, set up base camp in the middle of the forest and cruised around to find our set ups. it was so beautifu...

Instagram

[modern atlas]

who is ashley lol

[modern atlas]

Last Chapter 25, but where does the 6 come from

[long rose]

Oh!

[modern atlas]

?

[long rose]

It all started with an insta story from josh

Let me search it

[modern atlas]

Wait wait wait

I already know about the 625 lore

[long rose]

Then?

[modern atlas]

But what connects that to this

[brazen leaf]

exactly they’re doing what they physically can to give us the best content

[modern atlas]

Why can’t the 25 mean something else like “Final chapter in 2025”

[brazen leaf]

it can do

[safe spade]

Their photographer

[warm crescent]

at the event it was first shown at, there were 6 antlers surrounding it iirc

[modern atlas]

hmmmm, why does it say Winter 2024 though

[long rose]

Because of the 625 lore there are some believers and deniers. And that's ok

[modern atlas]

alr

I mean it’s cool and all but don’t get your hopes up from a realistic standpoint

[long rose]

also true

[modern atlas]

It could definitely happen

but there’s a lot of work that would’ve had to go into a double album

[warm crescent]

most likely 2025 tho

[safe spade]

See that's what I'M stuck on......wouldn't alot of things for this album be done already minus the videos they needed to work on 🤔

[warm crescent]

i don’t think we have enough promo time for a second album/disc/deluxe atp

[modern atlas]

^

[long rose]

Oh believe me, we're fulled with hopium and copium so It's ok if something else happens, we're just happy to theorize and be playful about it

[warm crescent]

there’s a lot of factors for and against but i do hope we get something soon

[modern atlas]

alr. Usually in other fan bases I’ve been a part of people get pretty pissed when what they predict doesn’t happen, so bringing people back to earth is a skill i’ve become quite good at

[long rose]

Oh it's gonna happen eitherway, I was talking with someone earlier that said that PS disappointed him.

[modern atlas]

that’s true

[modern atlas]

PS disappointed me only cause there was no swimming 😡😡

[safe spade]

Here's the thing, there have been quite a ot of hints at 6/25, Tyler pays attention to this fandom and I feel like at THIS point he would have shut down the 6/25 theory if nothing was happening

[long rose]

that's a fact since they were watching us do Digital remains and thanks to that they released the paladin strait teaser for us, I guess because of all the collective effort that was made.

[warm crescent]

if something does happen on 6/25 i think it’ll be like an extra song, i feel like this is way too big of a drop to just be dumped on streaming. and yeah they can do post-promo but still 🤷

[modern atlas]

is he a part of this server lol

[warm crescent]

he has an account but i doubt he uses it, these mfs definitely lurk tho

[modern atlas]

Maybe you’re Tyler

[safe spade]

the fact they waited THIS long to give us the Columbus video, Fueled By Ramen's caption of Paladin being track 13 and the fact the story just isn't done yet means SOMETHING is coming

[modern atlas]

maybe I’m tyler?? 🤨

[fleet pier]

If I remember right when they did the FPE in Columbus people said there were six antlers that were a part of this same photo. The picture in the DR doesn’t show all six but you can see three antlers in it.

[long rose]

No, you tyler

[warm crescent]

my name is technically in the digital remains booklet so maybe that’s been a hint all along

[safe spade]

6 ANTLERS??!?!?!

[long rose]

Yep

[modern atlas]

woah that’s cool

Maybe something is happening tomorrow

Don’t think it’s MORE THAN one song

[warm crescent]

the antlers were physical right?

[modern atlas]

maybe one song

[long rose]

Maybe, don't get your hopes up

[modern atlas]

not a whole double album imo but I could definitely be wrong

[modern atlas]

😭

[fleet pier]

Yeah definitely. 6-25 definitely means something. I’m trying not to get my hopes up though cause I know Tyler is a troll sometimes lol

[safe spade]

they would not be doing all of this for ONE song

[fleet pier]

Yes I think so

[warm crescent]

could be a single that announces a second half, and then the rollout continues thru july into early august

but idk how fans would feel abt that

waiting for this first half and then waiting thru a second rollout

[modern atlas]

or they announce 8/3/25 tomorow

Adios for a year, see you in august mfs

[warm crescent]

as long as their upfront abt it idec when it is

[safe spade]

https://x.com/tylersfIoof/status/1802746701033480595

jɇn ⊬ ATROFD (@tylersfIoof) on X

GUYS! so josh posted 47:14 & 6.25. tyler’s post is 47 letters & 14 words. josh’s comment is 6 words & 25 letters. at 6:25 in PS nico says hello clancy, & it’s also at 47:14 of the record. right, we knew this. at 47:14 of vessel is truce at YOU WILL DIE! i’m not crazy right?! 😭

Twitter · Jun 17, 2024, 4:54 PM

[warm crescent]

twenty one pilots album near my birthday? sign me up ngl

[modern atlas]

what is 47 14 though

January 4th, 2047 Confirmed

[modern atlas]

on your next birthday though, not this one

[modern atlas]

I see that it’s those parts of the song but is it the key to anything else?

[warm crescent]

ik, still my birthday tho 🙏

[modern atlas]

wrong gif mb

[modern atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825250935001055252/1170591318511202404/speed.gif?ex=6559991e&is=6547241e&hm=aa5eb78eaf0e49e0ba3eb972fcb6f3bad95a1a8e55073428f8c8078fc02eca6d&

[silk bolt]

4+7 = 11 11:14, 11 + 14 = 25 , 25 songs on 6/25 #copium

[safe spade]

Well the start of the clip FBR posted is in REVERSE

[glacial fulcrum]

Which clip? :0

[safe spade]

#1252689799597392014 message

[olive plume]

i wonder what it means

unless it just looked cool

[safe spade]

Something else is coming for sure!!

[sly hazel]

Something I will say is they have previously released albums less than a week before their first show of tour
So there's nothing stopping them taking up the next 7-8 weeks promoting a double album/deluxe and releasing right before tour starts

[safe spade]

Also the lack of promo from FBR is apparent.......and there WAS a tweet connecting Ned to Purple.....and purple is the opposite of yellow.....

[cosmic jewel]

what tweet?

[bright violet]

FBR's most recent post, as of 5 hours ago. notice the caption

"track #13" instead of "final track" and "is this the end? you tell us 👀 "

[safe spade]

https://fxtwitter.com/GlowingEyesRep/status/1804663602978095577

[cloud lynx]

i'm gonna be nit-picky or annoying by specifying the band posted that video first

https://fxtwitter.com/twentyonepilots/status/1804229795972079983

just to reestablish the truth lol

but we can still talk about the other stuff, for sure

[cosmic jewel]

thx

[mental granite]

Maybe the small shows were their opportunity to tour “clancy” as it is before the real tour ?

[safe spade]

also the fact they FINALLY posted the Columbus video today!?!?

[cedar cradle]

Well it’s June 25th today

Nothing

[long rose]

It is 24 in the U.S. still

[royal valley]

give it 23 hours tops

[wraith gulch]

It is only 6:30pm on the 24th Columbus time.

[safe spade]

yeah its not the 25th yet

[green night]

could be in 24 hours

at 6:25 pm

[undone egret]

How’s the feelings here? Still think there’s a double album?

[fallow violet]

yep, still possible imo

[undone egret]

I’m still leaning towards yes but sometimes I feel like there’s just a track 14

Which I’ll be happy with either way ngl

[fallow violet]

i dont think it matters rn whether anyone believes theres a whole another set of songs coming or just one, im just glad we are at a point when not that many people are denying the possibility of us getting more music anymore

[sudden hawk]

definitely getting SOMETHING

[undone egret]

End of PS was too much of a hint to something

[fallow violet]

like i understand why people didnt fully think so before paladin mv came out but some reactions were so dramatic about the possibility of it, i think there were always very real hints towards this happening

im excited to find out what it is

[undone egret]

I’ve been on record saying that I’d love a double pack album one Clancy one torchbearer but I’m leaning away from blue being the theme and towards yellow cause there was one set of yellow vinyl for Clancy and how sick it would be to have a red vinyl torchbearer album

[fallow violet]

that would be dope

[sudden hawk]

I loved the yellow of Trench. it was so gorgeous in concert

[undone egret]

One needs the other. If they wanted me to but this album for a fifth time, that’s how you do it lol

[fallow violet]

im honestly just imagining that if there is a second album it would just be a slightly altered clancy album cover and even be called the same or very similarly, like really marketed as a part 2 of the same thing

but these ideas are really cool

[sudden hawk]

ooh, but what if it's named after one of the bishops?

what if it's "Nico"

[undone egret]

Well there’s always nico. That could be the other side. A lot darker of an album

[sudden hawk]

and there's a whole other si--

OMG JINX

[undone egret]

lol

Darker heavier and ends with a huge banger

Which as a routines fan would be incredible

[sudden hawk]

mhm, mhm, I could see that, because Clancy's relationship with the Bishops hasn't been fully explained aside from being a citizen who is More Important ™️

[undone egret]

Well the idea is Clancy is a copy of nico

Again one needs the other

You can say that about both torchbearer and nico

[sudden hawk]

true

I've seen several people say they feel the album Clancy is a character study. having the second album focus on another character tracks, tbh

[undone egret]

One thing we’ve seen more of in this album is a separation of Clancy and Tyler though. Especially in paladin

Look at paladin and Clancy heating up. He has no paint on him. Tyler does. Up until Clancy gets smeared

Gearing not heating

I’m having trouble sleeping so I’m just rambling. I should probably go to sleep

[sudden hawk]

haha, it's all valid, though!

good speculations

[languid crypt]

Some more Tyler screams would be nice

[cloud lynx]

i mean, we already have the album Blurryface

although i'd expect more Blurryface/Nico presence on that second part, for sure

he was mostly absent of Clancy for certain reasons

but now they're confronting

[storm iron]

IF there’s another album tomorrow, it’s going to be called Voldsoy. Right? The lettering for the logo being read two ways has to be something.

[stray kettle]

If we get another album it’s because 6/25 meant June 2025

If we get a song tomorrow (I don’t believe this will happen anymore) that’ll be it

That being said really holding out hope for Drag Path 6.25.24

ever since Tyler started tweeting after PS MV I feel 6.25.24 is wrong

[modern atlas]

reminder that this exists

Reminding us why we fight right before we do

[modern atlas]

Right 6/25, the end of the tour

further enhancing the tweet above

[safe spade]

But if we were waiting till 2025 why say this ALBUM is the end of the story when its not actually done?? Plus Im sure there are more tours coming that have yet to be announced for this era.....im sure there's more to come in 2025 but tommrrow is still valid....

Also FBR posting is it the end? Should be a sign SOMETHING is coming tomorrow

[harsh venture]

I’ve been so curious about their choice in capital vs lowercase letters on social media this cycle. Since the first social media post of this era, there has been a capital letter at the start of the first word of each post. From what I can tell, this was the first time they had ever done this, every post has always began with a lowercase letter. but with the posting of the Paladin Strait mv, they chose to begin that post with a LOWERCASE letter. There has to be something to this, I know its intentional but I’m not sure why

[safe spade]

Oh I dont know if this was mentioned here https://fxtwitter.com/rinezhcs/status/1799130755156812278

[barren saffron]

I’ve moved from 70% to 95% for a double album.

[sudden hawk]

motivation?

[barren saffron]

Just really sitting with Tyler’s comment about the final battle with Nico happening after the album and the fact that he said it won’t happen on tour. I think it’s one hell of a stretch to say Paladin Strait could be considered a “final battle.” Still possible if final simply means “last” and it’s just a cycle, but far less likely imo

[jade mantle]

I’m so excited because everything is SO confusing and the only thing keeping us going is hope

I can’t wait for the ending, whatever it looks like, when we look back at all this mess and realize it’s been here the whole time.

[rancid delta]

2 hours to midnight

[burnt scarab]

6/25 truthers unite

[rancid delta]

1 hour

[safe spade]

Btw just because something doesn't happen at midnight doesn't mean NOTHING is happening

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dhmis-donthugmeimscared-dont-hug-look-gif-5046911

when we inevitably clown later

[storm iron]

I feel like they rarely do anything at midnight but maybe I’ve forgotten

[vestal surge]

my theory that i hope is wrong is that all the emphasis on 25 was never meant to be a date and was just supposed to tip us off to page 25 of the digital remains as a starting point to solve the puzzle. but the number of times 25 has also been paired with the number 6 is the one thing that keeps me hopeful of something happening tomorrow

[sly hazel]

The puzzle wasnt even planned
And the first 25 hint came before the DR release too

[tame tendon]

Just gonna say if they do release something at midnight it will be in est

Meaning in roughly an hour

[rancid delta]

could also be at any random point druing the day

imagine at 6:25

[tame tendon]

That's what they did with the clancy release livestream

[storm iron]

Ah totally forgot it was at midnight cause I fell asleep 😂

[sly hazel]

Clancy The Final Chapter begins tomorrow 🙏

[vestal surge]

you think they saw us putting the images together and decided to make codes out of the page numbers? that sounds…. yeah actually that sounds exactly like something they would do

i hadn’t considered that

[worldly wigeon]

Proof?

[sly hazel]

The video they gave us as a teaser was created the day before we found it
If they had intended for the puzzle to be there from the beginning it would've been created from the start

The first 25 hint we had was the day after the album released
The digital remains didn't release until a week later

There was absolutely no way anyone was getting anything out of it until they put together a little 4 pages puzzle and gave us a teaser cuz they thought it was cool and likely felt bad for the delay with the video

[rancid delta]

10 minutes to clown town

[safe spade]

Ok but respectfully that still doesnt make much sense because he legit said during the stream it was DONE and that it needed to still be edited that doesnt mean the puzzle wasnt planned......

[jade mantle]

What are our hot takes before 6.25 gets here? Any theories we need to get out before things get proven?

[rancid delta]

TWO MINUTES

[tame tendon]

Tis time

[rancid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-going-insane-the-amazing-digital-circus-existential-crisis-goodbye-gif-11245718107768489097

[tame tendon]

Guys trust me it release at 12:25🙏🙏🙏

[jade mantle]

Why’s that?

[tame tendon]

(I'm going insane)

[safe spade]

It probs wont happen until daytime....

[tame tendon]

Idk if anything will happen at all

I was kinda going on this theory but now it’s looking like nothing is happening

[rancid delta]

if not we will all be clancy and rebel

[fleet pier]

I’m still believing! 6-25!!!! Off to bed. Job interview in the morning lol Good night.

[tame tendon]

They literally released clancy in their pajamas, I don't think the time is the problem

Well the June 25 means something, either June 25th or June something, 2025

[safe spade]

Albums are released at 12am! Mostly everything else they've done happened in the day time the theory isnt dead yet....

[tame tendon]

If it’s 2025, all hope is lost til next year

For me atleast

[still hill]

radiohead pfp ⁉️

🔝

[tame tendon]

Exactly 💯

[fading pewter]

gang

[burnt scarab]

did anything happen

was playing roblox

[livid pine]

nah not yet

if their goal is to do a traditional rollout for clancy 2, then it would make sense for a single to drop midday so chances are still there

hope is lost for the 12am shadow drop though😿

[static sinew]

okay but what if im both
what if theres something tomorrow AND next year

[static sinew]

wait we still didnt get an explanation for the last page (him climbing out of the sawdusty stuff) did we

[smoky turtle]

no we didn't neither did we get dema on fire

[unkempt gulch]

Maybe something at 6:25 on 6/25 🤣

[smoky turtle]

thanks 21 pilots for furthering my trust issues

[burnt scarab]

Tyler gonna drop at 3 pm again when I have to go in for work

I’m gonna come back to 30000 new videos

[graceful hill]

Hi any double album

[burnt scarab]

not yet

[smoky turtle]

no tyler joseph is a meanie

[worthy wigeon]

not the jt pfp 😭

[smoky turtle]

oh yes, the jt pfp

[static sinew]

i thought that was captain america

[brazen leaf]

It’s ok guys we still have 2025

[static sinew]

we also have literally all day today

[brazen leaf]

true

[static sinew]

usually they make announcements in the afternoon

[brazen leaf]

yeah

i’m holding out

[static sinew]

midnight was never likely

[worthy wigeon]

this is indeed going to ruin the tour

[smoky turtle]

my pfp is my reaction

[quaint steppe]

Wait today was a famous day in history right? What time did that person arrive in New York in June 25th again?

[fair dirge]

What do we do if nothing happens

[static sinew]

wait

[raven lagoon]

[split island]

@proud plover tell Harry about that person

[smoky turtle]

Wasn't it Simone Weil's arrival in New York or whatever

[small turtle]

I want an album full of screaming and rap!! Things like Ode to Sleep, Goner, Fairly Local, Migraine, Jumpsuit and No Chances are my jam

Also, about the possibility of the release of more music happening today or not, I'm holding out until the end of the day today...

[open bluff]

Jumpsuit is my fav song by them so a song with the same vibe would be awesome

[small turtle]

I spent the weekend trying to learn the rap to 'Migraine'. I still can't say 'feasting on burnt down trees' but I've more or less figured out the rest lol

[open bluff]

And i love the heavydirtysoul / jumpsuit livestream version it’s so good

[open bluff]

Nicee

[small turtle]

As I sit here 'Midwest Indigo' has started autoplaying. Imagine if we freak because there's nothing and then they drop a song and Tyler goes 'Chill out man, we're right on time.'

[small turtle]

though I also love pretty soft songs like Trees and Truce and Leave the City. Still, I feel like this album has fufilled that side of things more so far

[open bluff]

Imagine they tweet “what’s your eta?” two minutes before they drop something lmao

[open bluff]

I also love songs like redecorate and neon gravestones, they’re so powerful

[quaint steppe]

Ah nice thanks, cause my thinking was they might drop it st whatever time she arrived in New York though I’m struggling to find a time online

Or they drop it at 6:25 (am or pm)

My other thinking is even if they had nothing planned today originally, they’d still be aware of our theorising and give us some sort of announcement or clarification (just as it’s possible they didn’t actually plan the digital remains to be a puzzle but might have added one just before the PS music vid when they saw us going wild with it)

[small turtle]

oh I love all their stuff. But this album had a certain emphasis and I was talking about what I felt was missing

not at all saying the album is bad, either. I really like it.

[open bluff]

The album is awesome

[small turtle]

yup

but I am still down for more rap and screaming : )

like imagine if the next song is a nico-clancy rap battle lol

IDK if I would like that but it's where my mind keeps going when I try to imagine what happens next

[open bluff]

I mean I'm a metalhead so I'm missing the scream more than the rap but I do love the rap too (nico and the niners and levitate are awesome)

[open bluff]

Like fairly local-ish?

[small turtle]

I never used to like either the rap or the screaming. When I first got into TOP I went almost exclusively for more melodic stuff, which I still absolutley love, but I've come to really appreciate their other styles now

[small turtle]

maybe?

I don't know exactly how I think it would sound. I keep making myself laugh thinking of cabinet meeting rap battles in 'Hamilton' but I don't think that's where it should go lol

[open bluff]

Lmaoo

[small turtle]

oookkay I'm going to need to dip and make myself do stuff. it feels weird to actually keep existing today instead of just hanging around waiting for something to drop, but unfortunately I do have things to do....

[open bluff]

Yeah same haha

[small turtle]

hopefully when I come back in a few hours this chat will have blown up in a good way