Double Album Confirmed

[safe spade]

YOU MAY BE ON TO SOMETHING

[dawn kettle]

I COULD BE IDK ANYMORE

[cedar cradle]

OK THATS KINDA BRAINROTTED BUT MAYBE MAYBE

[fallow violet]

it could just be one big tour with multiple legs it doesnt even have to be two?

[cedar cradle]

I NEED A NEW ALBUM TO SATURATE ME CMONB

[rancid delta]

maybe he wants us to keep arguing because it was made SO obvious that there will be more that he wants to make people think its the end without directly saying it

[fair dirge]

Maybe he meant tour first then the second album

[fallow violet]

the bandito tour was supposed to be exactly like this

[cloud lynx]

(that's what i said lol)

[fallow violet]

this was my original theory tbh it makes sense if there is more music

[fair dirge]

Oh sorry I'm dumb

[fallow violet]

but

[dawn kettle]

NOONONONONOONON ITS FOR SURE GOOD DAY DEMA, SAI DELUXE ALBUM COMING OUT, ALL BOUNCE MAN ON THE ALBUM

[rancid delta]

lmao

[fallow violet]

i would love to know if that is the case liek.. rn

[cloud lynx]

[fallow violet]

are they gonna stay silent until the tour starts

[rancid delta]

aint no way

[cloud lynx]

i'm gonna hate them again

[fallow violet]

the interviews have to start coming out now there aint no way

where are they

like the big ones

[rancid delta]

if nothing happens on the 25th we riot

just like clancy

inspiration fr

[cloud lynx]

i'm starting to believe that 25 means 2025

[fallow violet]

i always thought nothing will happen on 25th tbh

[safe spade]

There is WAY to much about 6/25, he made Josh RUN to 6.25 like theres no way its NOTHING

[fallow violet]

i always thought its 2025 but like i need to know what it is we are gonna be waiting for a whole year they cant just leave us hanging again

[rancid delta]

still why would they tease something a year in advance

[fallow violet]

why not

[dawn kettle]

i say we come up with whatever, then when 6/25 rolls around, if theres nothing then we'll suffer

[rancid delta]

that would be like "we know exactly when its coming out because its done but no you will wait"

[fair dirge]

Yeah yeah 6/25

Sounds just as early June

6/25 my ass

[rancid delta]

if it is 2025 and they are already teasing it that would mean its done or very close to it, and would be forcing us to wait

[fair dirge]

I don't believe anyone

[rancid delta]

after all the promotion saying this was the "final album"

id claim false advertising

[dawn kettle]

also top posted that new symbol in chat and none of their socials have changed to that logo

[fair dirge]

It's not new

[cloud lynx]

a part of me always thought they'd find a way to continue the lore until after the tour somehow

[cloud lynx]

captioned their ig post with what

[rancid delta]

|-

[dawn kettle]

then why did they use it again today in live chat?

[cloud lynx]

ohhh

[fair dirge]

Idk

[dawn kettle]

exactly, theres something to that symbol that has been hiding from us

[rancid delta]

|-\

[cloud lynx]

other possibility he is actually just playing with us again and they're still gonna release smth soon

[fair dirge]

Oh but didn't glorious gones take that one neon from their gravestones?

[cloud lynx]

"see u at the show wink wink"

[rancid delta]

he does love making chaos

its his thing

tyler is the ultimate troll

[cloud lynx]

early june

does it sound like the end

[wraith gulch]

I’ll stop being a 6/25 believer on 6/26. Until then I believe. They wouldn’t tease something in 2025 the day the album drops, it makes no sense. They would at least have waited until after Paladin video. And most of the time it’s been accompanied with a 6. If it’s 2025 I’ll come to terms with that on 6/26.

[dawn kettle]

NEVER STOP BELIEVING

[storm fable]

yeah i feel like tyler has to know we think something is coming 6/25, he could be messing with us for sure

[wraith gulch]

Also I think he’s trolling us now because 6/25 is so close

[cloud lynx]

the keysmash tweet
"haha guys it's nothing wink wink"

we still have no answers for this one, but still

[rancid delta]

yeah at least wait until 6/26

if nothing happens on 6/25 so be it, but i refuse to believe this is it

[cloud lynx]

haha guys see u at the show

😉 😉

innit

[rancid delta]

less than 4 days

[wraith gulch]

So close

[cloud lynx]

what if they announce an unexpected concert out of nowhere
lol
(well they've already kinda done that with the "evening w/ top" shows)

[rancid delta]

and the 28th is literally in a week

[storm fable]

the fact it has exactly 11 letters, and the 11 "...........and so are you"

[cedar cradle]

Trolling is by doing what

[wraith gulch]

That would be cool if they live-streamed it for everyone. And I’d try so hard to go, I’m only a couple hours away

[safe spade]

The 28th is a Friday btw

[wraith gulch]

“See you at the show” implying nothing until tour

[rancid delta]

25th announcment and maybe single, 28th album/ep or whatever

[cloud lynx]

there's no way nothing happens for 1-2 months

[wraith gulch]

agreed

[safe spade]

Im making a Figma board because Im going to lose my mind trying to repeat everything

[rancid delta]

paladin on the album is 6:28

paladin MV is 5:24

[storm fable]

which was split up across the design,
once again following the pattern of being halfway there |-
and then "we are twenty one pilots"
followed by eleven somethings to finish it... 🤔 🤔

[rancid delta]

that cant be a coincidence

[cloud lynx]

we are twen

OMG

i'm probably reaching a lot
but |-/ does kinda look like Nico taking Clancy by the throat
(if u use ur imagination)

[storm fable]

EXACTLY why else would the birdsong exist and be so long if there wasn't something important about the track length (which matches with the clancy release date in the music video version)

[rancid delta]

looks more like a |-\ to me

[wraith gulch]

I was skeptical about 6:28 until someone mentioned both it’s a Friday and it lines up with 5:24 being Clancy release day

[rancid delta]

also isnt |-\ a reverse of the gravestones

[floral holly]

I just watched the video 😭

[storm fable]

the only small issue i have with that (i still think it's something),
is how does that work with the album delay?

[safe spade]

AND the birds started at 2 minutes on the stream today!!

[wraith gulch]

That’s a good point

I’m not sure how that works with album delay

[storm fable]

cause i don't really see how they could've cut down 7 seconds if it hadn't been delayed

wait ACTUALLY HOLD ON

[wraith gulch]

I’ll put it this way. I believe the most in 6/25. If 6/28 is something I won’t be surprised but I don’t have a big stake in it, if that makes sense. Though perhaps if 6/25 turns out to be just an announcement for something, that it comes out on the 28th.

[storm fable]

there's EXACTLY 7 seconds of that quiet synth and birdsong before the uke comes back in, they totally could've originally had it without that, since part of that is black screen too

[opal matrix]

All the songs in the Fancy album:

1. Olive Demonstrate

2. Next Salamander

3. Water Slide

4. Mideast Purple

5. Poutines in the Flight

6. [Insert French Word Here]

7. The Savings (Kroger’s Version)

8. Salvage

9. Directing

10. Snap Crackle Pop

11. Modern Music

12. At the Risk of Having Thumbs

13. Pakistan Strait

14. 🤫

Chat I think this is the double album

[storm fable]

bro spaced it out so much 💀 text wall

[wraith gulch]

Oh, I see what you’re saying. Like maybe the MV was originally 5:17 long so they added that bit to line up with the delayed album release?

[cedar cradle]

Nah cmon that’s gonna be him lying right

[wraith gulch]

I agree

[cedar cradle]

Like the 6/25 thing

[wintry bane]

Am I tripping or does it seem like theres something written with the torches??

[storm fable]

yeah, it's really interesting that that part just happens to be 7 seconds long 👀 and I could see the song working without it by just going straight into the uke

[wintry bane]

Doesn't look random to md

[cedar cradle]

The last two is 25

[wintry bane]

Me*

[smoky turtle]

atp I know more lore than I know what to do with my future

[wintry bane]

What really?

[wraith gulch]

That’s a good point

[little valve]

yeah, a lot of people have been trying to figure it out, all coming up with different things it seems

[wintry bane]

Ahh whoops, I was at work so I didn't see

Thanks!

[cedar cradle]

I can kinda see it

[storm fable]

also it makes the birdsong make more sense, because while they realized they can just add however much birdsong they need to make it line up with the release date of something, without having to mess up the song structure

since i'm sure they didn't know what dates things would happen when first writing it

[cedar cradle]

Idk the Paladin mv was weird

I still think lavish is the best

Like I way prefer the trench lore videos to Clancy

[storm fable]

I agree, I love what happened, and paladin was pretty cool,
but I like andrew donoho's style and look way better

next semester was my favorite mv this era for that reason

[cedar cradle]

Paladin just felt too mythical and having literal zombies fighting is so dumb bro

[storm fable]

oh I disagree with that point, i just meant visually,
I think the zombies would've felt less weird if they had a different vibe and were less cliche

[wintry bane]

I feel like it's s bit... Cringe?

[storm fable]

it's just the way they were presented, was a little bit like cliche ooooh zombies rising from the dirt

[cedar cradle]

Yeah like I started laughing, same with Nico appearing

[wintry bane]

I mean I like it for what it is and for the lore and it's cool no question. But that's not what I would show anyone asking about me fav band

[cedar cradle]

I would’ve rathered the banditos fight vultures not zombies ngl

[wintry bane]

Yeah exactly. Esp the one hand reaching omg

[cedar cradle]

That would’ve looked cooler too

[cedar cradle]

Bro it’s so bad I’m crying

[storm fable]

fingers crossed if there's a double album we get another andrew donoho lore video

[cloud lynx]

just rewatched the mv, there's no fucking way the sound at the end of the mv is not the beginning of a song

and a teaser for another mv

[rancid delta]

Literally

[cloud lynx]

he's reopening his eyes

he's not afraid

[rancid delta]

It's new

His eyes were not red/yellow

[cloud lynx]

it sounds like a fight song

[cloud lynx]

they weren't either on Jumpsuit

he's being smeared, not seized

[wraith gulch]

Smearing vs seizing ^^ yeah

[rancid delta]

He already smeared himself

[cloud lynx]

but he seems to be fighting against it, this time

[cloud lynx]

like literally i can bet the next mv starts with this same scene and this same sound

[dawn kettle]

its supposed to be up in the air still, showing that theres more, its either he gets seized or doesnt

[cedar cradle]

There wasn’t even a Tyler blurry face appearance idk it just felt lacklustre like one million dollars for that

[cloud lynx]

hands on throat (+ black paint on throat) normally means smearing, not seizing

[dawn kettle]

still we dont know

[lean mango]

I'll make a double album evidence document when I get home with all the evidence laid out, examining it from a bunch of different angles

[dawn kettle]

he opens his eyes right at the end but it doesnt show if he was or not

[storm fable]

it wasn't that bad, it was still really cool, just a bit cheesy visually,
i think it would've felt less underwhelming if we hadn't already seen 90% of it from the teaser

[wintry bane]

What's smearing?

[cloud lynx]

no my point is that he wouldn't get seized anyway

[wary lava]

Just like they did with the “I Am Clancy” and “Overcompemsate” videos. IAC ended with the beginning of overcompensate, and overcompensate started there

[cloud lynx]

he would get smeared, not seized

[storm fable]

but lowkey i prefered the desaturated color version

[cloud lynx]

that's a huge nuance

[wintry bane]

Actually 1 million!?

[storm fable]

That's a fairly reasonable budget for a production of this scale

[wintry bane]

Yeah such a weird move right?

[wraith gulch]

The act of seizing versus smearing is completely different. Nico was not trying to seize Clancy at all in the tower, he was trying to smear him just like in jumpsuit.

Like it’s a different motion altogether

[wintry bane]

Ahhhh I see. Where did we get the word from tho?

[cloud lynx]

but he might fight back 👊

[wraith gulch]

Grabbing at the throat versus doing the overhead antler movement

[wraith gulch]

Yeah for sure. It seems implied that Tyler has more control versus in jumpsuit when he gets smeared. To what degree I don’t think we will know until the next video or song or whatever

[wraith gulch]

Um, trying to remember where it originally came from

[cloud lynx]

the way he opens his eyes, and the sound full of tension...

now whether he's successful in fighting back and doesn't get smeared at all, we'll see

[wraith gulch]

I believe it came from letters and we saw it in jumpsuit for the first time

[cloud lynx]

OC also ended with the first scene of Navigating!

or the other way around, Navigating started with the last scene of OC, same thing xD

[cloud lynx]

yup

i believe the word itself came from letters

[wraith gulch]

That last letter is referencing the jumpsuit video

[cloud lynx]

tbh

we still don't fully know what is smearing

isn't it

?

we know it's different from seizing

[wintry bane]

Thank you!!

Also completely unrelated question, but did we ever made sense of the letters being the pov of Clancy but also they're describing what's happening to Clancy?

Sorry I feel like it's a total moon question but I never found an answer for that

Noob*

[olive plume]

outside letter described those events as out-of-body experiences

probably due to trauma and the memory problems that come with smearing

especially since clancy escapes a lot and has been smeared many times

[cloud lynx]

still a bit weird how he was able to describe the fact of getting smeared from the third person
unless he was describing someone else

[wintry bane]

Ok I see!

Seems kind of like a lazy explanation from them haha but I guess they know what they're doing

[olive plume]

he’s probably seen people being smeared while he was out there

[cedar cradle]

the MV very obviously has the saturation turned up, do we think this could be refering to good day dema and being "saturated"? also tyler did say "see you at the show"

also the end of the vidoe has purple lines? purple era maybe?

[dawn kettle]

i dont see purple, only black

[cedar cradle]

look closer, or download it and turn up the exposure

[wintry bane]

When did he say that?

[cedar cradle]

like an hour or two ago

[wintry bane]

Before the premiere?

Oh wait no that was 4 hours ago

Huh in what context then

[cedar cradle]

after the music video he just tweeted "see you at the show"

[floral holly]

Any updates?

[cloud lynx]

he could def be lying

lmao

[safe spade]

BTW Here are all of the Track 11's (Im skipping Oldies) since we think there are 11 tracks coming: Track 11s 11: A Car, A Torch, A Death
11: Trees
11: Message Man
11:Bandito
11: Redcorate

[opal matrix]

#1253850095871459379

Hopefully this doesn’t backfire on me 🤦‍♂️

[storm fable]

sorry this is replying way later, but made this edited version (which i'm gonna use for my edit of all the videos together) which kinda shows, that everything feels a little less cheesy imo when you color grade it and give it that andrew donoho 35mm film grain look, idk why they made everything so clean and saturated

[cedar cradle]

[likely debunked, sorry for the ping poot]

hello there, idk who to ping for this but basically i think i found something kinda important that could go in lore updates?? maybe. basically after nico grabs tyler and the video goes to "black" you can actually see faint purple lines, 26 of them i think if i counted right, if you put a screenshot of it through a photo editor and turn the exposure up its way easier to see, the entire background is purple actually if you turn it up enough [left: original, middle: exposure turned up a little bit, right: exposure turned up a lot]

[tawny leaf]

hey i have a thing

so you guys know the judge song

i have a theory that the song was about clancy and his first time in dema

[safe spade]

hELLLOOOO

[storm fable]

how are you getting this? what frame of black? i'm getting nothing but flat black trying to do the same

[cedar cradle]

from 5:20 to 5:23 just look really closely at it and you can see faint purple

like you can still see it without editing it

[storm fable]

it's not there for me

[cedar cradle]

hmm maybe its my pc then, i put it in #theories and someone did the same thing and it worked but idk if they used my image or not

[storm fable]

it works if i use your image yeah

[small turtle]

?

[storm fable]

i even downloaded the youtube video and cranked up the exposure on the whole thing, and there's not a frame of purple in there

[cedar cradle]

lemme try it in another web browser

[lone bone]

Hm could be pulling a fall out boy, turning their classic blue and red into purple

[cedar cradle]

i tried it in google chrome, i usually use firefox, and its there still

[lone bone]

I mean, it would actually be symbolic…he can’t defeat blurryface so Tyler absorbs and accepts that part of himself

And blurryface and Tyler are both symbolized by blue (defeat) and red

[wraith gulch]

I don’t get any purple on mobile (took a ss and cranked exposure to the max)

[storm fable]

try another video with a black screen, to see if it's just your computer, cause I can't recreate it at all

WAIT

I GOT IT, using microsoft edge for some reason gave me the purple

[cedar cradle]

i cant recreate it on my phone

[storm fable]

but idk, it's so inconsitent, it might just be a weird artifact

[cedar cradle]

i cant see it normally on overcompensate let me turn exposure up to check

yeah nothing on OC

[storm fable]

but i'm only getting the lines, not the purple background 🤔 but it's the same pattern

[wraith gulch]

If this turns out to be something, I counted 25 lines which is interesting

[cedar cradle]

the background could be my image editing software merging the black and purple together ?? through compression

[cedar cradle]

i counted 26

[wraith gulch]

On pringles ss I counted 25, let me check yours

[cedar cradle]

nope theres 25

on pringes theres 25

[dawn kettle]

theres 26 ones hiding behind the bar

you can just barely see it

[storm fable]

it's so weird that i can't get it at all on chrome, but other browsers work

[cedar cradle]

it works on chrome and firefox for me

[wraith gulch]

Yeah Harper on yours I also count 26, which tells me maybe this isn’t something if you guys are getting different number of lines even if you can get it at all?

[cedar cradle]

seems like is debunked, some people can get it some cant

[ashen moon]

Might just be a weird video/youtube effect?

I can’t recreate it

[wraith gulch]

Even if it’s not real that’s a good eye

[storm fable]

yeah, if it was really something i think it would be less inconsistent,
might just be a side effect of compression

[cedar cradle]

goddamn i'll keep looking for smth useful lmao

[safe spade]

I mean there ARE purple flowers at the start of the video

[wraith gulch]

Haha maybe untag poot now tho

[cedar cradle]

i did a quick google search and i couldn't find anything about it

like a bug on youtube compression causing that

[sly hazel]

You could always download the video and do it from the actual source
my bet is it's like some sort of visual glitch/render bug
but that's still super interesting either way

[storm fable]

i did that and didn't get the purple

[cedar cradle]

doing my assignments?? hell nah. losing my marbles over fake purple lines?? hell yeah

[safe spade]

HEELLOO #1252689799597392014 message

[cloud lynx]

okay uh

i was thinking about that whole "11" thing

the 11 letters from Tyler's keysmash tweet

the 11 dots on certain images

[cloud lynx]

the fact that we already have at least 2-3 tracks that seem to match with those letters

Drag Path (Devil's Eyes), I'm Not Home, possibly even Graffiti

but even if the letter thing is just a coincidence, the 11 thing is still weird

[tropic oracle]

okay after watching the mv more music does seem like the most likely possibility considering how ot ended with the snippet of smth

[lean mango]

Yea, the 11 thing likely means something

[cloud lynx]

plus this

[tropic oracle]

still not sold on it being a whole album lol

[cloud lynx]

the mv of PS literally ends with what sounds like the beginning of a song

[storm fable]

although, if the end of paladin strait is the start of a new song (the sound after nico talks)
it sounds like it'll be very upbeat and intense, which isn't what i'd expect to end the story on, so it does make me think maybe more than one song

[tropic oracle]

again ep is most likely i think

[lean mango]

The biggest factor for me in thinking there's more than one song is, why wouldn't the ending just be on Clancy if it's only one?

There's some reason he decided to have this be a cliffhanger

and if it's going to end immediately, that's kind of pointless

For an EP, it's a bit more feasible imo

[storm fable]

also this isn't the first time they've used part of a new song in a mv for a different song actually, next semester did the same thing

[lean mango]

But even if it's only 3 more songs, they've had a 16 track album in the past and it'd fit on one CD, so still, why not just include it on Clancy?

[cloud lynx]

but this time it's even part of a cliffhanger

[tropic oracle]

thats why i dont like the idea, sucks for the people who already got the album

or multiple copies expecting it to just be clancy

[lean mango]

But that's so close to the 11 that's seemingly teased

And I'd also consider how Tyler thinks about music and its context. It's something he emphasizes a lot, when he's writing songs he doesn't usually think about them individually but their context and place in an album. He believes albums are an important and powerful medium (underrated in today's industry, he says). He's also mentioned he's not really a fan of deluxes, and they generally only put out singles in particular circumstances.

(Always when the songs are completely disconnected from an album, and often when they're for something specific, like a movie or Christmas)

[safe spade]

Sooo the single version of Clancy has to go somewhere right??\

[storm fable]

although 9 would be really cool, very meaningful number, 11 makes more sense

[cloud lynx]

i'm kinda sold on that 11 songs idea

[wise sparrow]

MORE MERCH is all I hear

[lean mango]

The only real exception to this is Regional At Best, which he doesn't consider an album, and the way he talks about it, I think that's a significant reason why

[cloud lynx]

"but there's not enough lore left!!" i'm pretty sure they can still pull it off, and we don't even know what they've planned for the lore, and not every song has to be lore-heavy

[storm fable]

I think it's way less likely than just one more song, but it's not like there's no evidence

[lean mango]

He didn't have an overarching concept in mind for RAB and didn't put it together like he does for albums

[storm fable]

also they don't have to all be lore related again, not even all of trench is lore related

[lean mango]

How do you reconcile my first point with the possibility of one more song?

[lean mango]

this

it seems like it would be pointless + also piss a lot of people off

[storm fable]

just to have the cliffhanger, and have the final ending be one big separated event,
i don't really like the idea, but it just feels more likely to me, since we had the vessel things talking about "one more thing" and they made vessel have 14 tracks

[tropic oracle]

oh wow tyler definitely hinting at the lore being at the shows lol

maybe i was right

[cloud lynx]

he could be lying about that tweet

[lean mango]

Is he? I just took that as completely not addressing Paladin and promoting the tour

[cloud lynx]

like sure lore stuff is gonna happen at the show, like every show, like SAI, like Trench
but i don't think they're gonna do big plot points on show

[lean mango]

I don't think that's anything to go by

[tropic oracle]

this might be cope

i think y'all need to take a break 😭

[cloud lynx]

i'd be disappointed if the lore is gatekept and is only on the shows

[tropic oracle]

but it wont be? like every live show is recorded

[storm fable]

i'd hope they'd do a high quality recording of one of the shows if that's the case

[lean mango]

I don't think he's lying

but like

[cloud lynx]

still?

would not be great

[lean mango]

"see you at the show" does not mean "there's nothing else until the shows"

and we can be almost certain that's not the case, there's music at the end of the vid

[tropic oracle]

so how would you feel about a double album if people can't afford it lol

[lean mango]

at least 1 additional song is practically confirmed

[tropic oracle]

its the same kinda stuff

[cloud lynx]

people can listen to it for free on the internet

i don't get ur point here

[neat horizon]

Has anyone mentioned that the ode to sleep official video is exactly 6:25 in length, could this be a clue ?

[tropic oracle]

same with the concert

[lean mango]

yea, it'll be on YouTube officially

[tropic oracle]

do you see my point

[lean mango]

they're not he same

[cloud lynx]

a concert would be less immersive

[lean mango]

A low-quality concert recording isn't anything like being there in person

[safe spade]

........Ode to sleep is HOW LONG 🫠

[tropic oracle]

first world problems i fear

[lean mango]

Ye lol, I noticed that

[lean mango]

No, Tyler has emphasized the whole time this era how important it is to him that people experience the story the way he wants them to

[storm fable]

also their concerts can be pretty immersive though, like the blue door video transition we saw for the icy tour,
but I do agree it wouldn't be cool to watch on a phone recording

[tropic oracle]

there are super hq ones and the band often has recorded important moments in the past so

wouldn't be surprised if they do nice ones for the tour

[rancid delta]

still really just dont like the idea

[tropic oracle]

if that's what's happening ofc

[cloud lynx]

i'm not saying no lore at shows, it's obvious they'll do smth, and the shows will be full of lore
but big plot points, big narrative points are very unlikely to happen during shows

[lean mango]

Doesn't matter, seeing a recording isn't the same as being there in person no matter how high quality

[safe spade]

But its never full moments only clips

[lean mango]

They might even act out parts of the lore

[tropic oracle]

I don't think anyone here likes an idea that isn't more music

[neat horizon]

Can anyone tell me why I’m able to chat in everything but the digital remains forum

[lean mango]

It's not about what I like or not, new music is more or less certain now

even if it's only 1 song

[dawn kettle]

digital remains is full

[rancid delta]

especially if its the ending, should be experienced the same way by everyone

[neat horizon]

Oh okay makes sense

[lean mango]

Also, the story has always been told through stuff that is accessible (typo'd) to everyone

[tropic oracle]

and what's stopping that from being at concerts???

[storm fable]

if there's not more music then i'd just prefer the ending to cut off at paladin strait, i think no matter what, the lore should conclude musically, they're a band

[tropic oracle]

i mean what if its new songs AT the concerts lol

[rancid delta]

because not everyone gets the chance

[lean mango]

Yea, that would just suck

He's not going to do things that would leave large chunks of the clique out

[rancid delta]

yeah id rather it end here than be something tour exclusive

[lean mango]

It just goes against the band's whole philosophy

[storm fable]

I mean the craving was first shown at a concert, so it's not unheard of

[cloud lynx]

that'd just be dumb

[tropic oracle]

it wouldn't though? this is a huge tour

[lean mango]

we don't even need proof, if you've been a fan of TOP for awhile you just know, that's completely out of character

[rancid delta]

wouldnt be the same

[tropic oracle]

even coming back to nz shockingly

[cloud lynx]

they would not do smth like that lmao

[tropic oracle]

since blurryface dude

[storm fable]

but either way, if it's new music at a concert, you would expect it to release on streaming very soon after

[rancid delta]

plus they have plans for this era through 2026

[lean mango]

yes, but premiering new music at a concert is not the same as only playing it there

Anyway

[storm fable]

I highly doubt they'd do that yeah

[rancid delta]

and only 13 tracks? even though it was being worked on in some capacity since 2019?

nah

[cloud lynx]

i'm sure they might premiere new music at a concert some day, and they've already done that a few very rare times, but big lore songs? seems so unlikely, i'd even say impossible

[dawn kettle]

them doing exclusive lore things at concerts would be scummy frfr, theyre a band who highly respects their fanbase, and doing something that cuts out a part of the fanbase doesnt sound like something they do

[lean mango]

yea, I wouldn't expect it at all

Sure, but if it's 1 or 2 songs, why wasn't it on Clancy in the first place?

Why retroactively make every copy people have bought so far incomplete?

[dawn kettle]

its understandable if they play a song live that hasnt been played in a while since anyone can listen to it, but if its exclusive to a live concert then its pretty scummy

[cloud lynx]

an eleven songs album seems most likely in my opinion

[somber fern]

I think a deluxe album is def what we are getting, they could also add craving single version to it

[storm fable]

I mean this album is only 9 minutes shorter than trench which took just as long to make

[lean mango]

A deluxe with extra songs isn't the same as one with songs that are essential to complete the album's concept

[rancid delta]

as long as i can buy it seperately without having to buy the whole album again i wouldnt mind

[lean mango]

I'm sure you could, but not physically

and a lot of people will want it physically

[rancid delta]

and thats the issue

[somber fern]

I want another vinyl o.o

[rancid delta]

i didnt buy 6 copies just for it to be an incomplete version

[tropic oracle]

see this is why it seems like a weird thing to do lol

[storm fable]

well, in production with paul meany, tyler still had to write the songs before that

[lean mango]

Anyway, I'm going to make my big double album evidence master post with all of the analysis I've done/heard from others. I'll be examining what we know from many different angles to eliminate bias as much as possible and show how I've reached the conclusions I have, and why I think they're the most reasonable ones

[tropic oracle]

i feel like he would tell us first if it was a full double album

[wise sparrow]

It happens all the time! It could be on the Clancy album but as a deluxe version. I would be excited for new music more than not having it on my record

[tropic oracle]

since he knows the fanbase gets everything physical

[rancid delta]

its gotta be either another album or an ep

cant just be one song, theres too much ground to cover for that to work

[storm fable]

that I disagree with, that would ruin the surprise and kill the hype for clancy

[cloud lynx]

but he never refuted the idea of more music

[rancid delta]

unless he wants it to be a surprise shadow drop

[warm crescent]

honestly all ik rn is that the paladin MV needs to be followed up.

Having it end with “DID HE WIN? DID HE LOSE?” is not very “tying everything up with a bow” tyler….

[tropic oracle]

i mean yeah it would be an incredible surprise but also kinda scummy if there's gonna be multiple physicals

[rancid delta]

taylor swift dropped TWO albums in 2020 with less than 24 hours notice for each of them

top is huge, they could get away with a surprise release and make it work

[storm fable]

I don't see why, trench is a two disc album, we could totally have a "second disc" for clancy

[cloud lynx]

Clancy Final Chapter 🔥

[wise sparrow]

And she dropped her newest album as a double album! It was 2 hours after the initial TTPD release

[rancid delta]

also true

[cloud lynx]

some sort of second record is definitely happening

[tropic oracle]

what how is trench two disc

[lean mango]

Sure, but Tyler has expressed issues with a lot of industry conventions and spoken out against them, this is one of the things that is widely considered to be pretty scummy

[cloud lynx]

they would not have teased a final chapter, and ended PS with a cliffhanger + a snippet of some unheard song otherwise

[lean mango]

it feels out of character

[rancid delta]

question is really just HOW theyre gonna do it (and when)

[storm fable]

it has two discs, because it's too long to fit on one,
clancy is only one disc

[lean mango]

on vinyl

[storm fable]

blurryface is the same way

[tropic oracle]

i mean if ur talking vinyl its two discs yeah but the difference is you got the other half WHEN you bought it

[storm fable]

yeah, but there's no other way of doing a surprise double album and have physical music without making you need to buy the other half...

lots of artists do it i'm sure

[digital coral]

someone was talking about the purple background at the end of the PS mv, but what I get are some dots?

[rancid delta]

huh

[lean mango]

Well, surprise double albums aren't that common

And the big one I can think of was digital-only

in this case, though, I don't think the end can be digital only

because people will want physical versions of the full saga

[wise sparrow]

Agreed, will be devastated if they don’t offer some form of physical copy

[warm crescent]

they could always stagger it

have it live as digital for a bit and then release the physical version

[tropic oracle]

!!!

[lean mango]

I would be kinda sad, I'm currently collecting all the physical versions

[tropic oracle]

again i think im just a live show lore truther

[warm crescent]

also when it comes to physical releases, pre-ordering and stuff always leads to leaks when it comes to this band

someone will always get the album early

so by them releasing a potential second disc on digital first before any physical release can be ordered

it minimizes that risk

[tropic oracle]

considering Clancy got leaked if they have a completely finished second half im surprised it didn't get leaked at the same time

which makes me think again IF it is more music it'll be live only for a while

[warm crescent]

clancy only leaked because of physical versions being shipped early

unless ur talking abt the altguy stuff with the singles and the tracklist

[tropic oracle]

that too

like the tracklist not being leaked at Least

physical actually would make sense, considering if it is a double album it would most likely come out much later

[storm fable]

And numbers guy who had next semester,
I do feel like we'd have at least heard rumors

[warm crescent]

someone like alt guy or whatever leaker would know about it, unless they got it completely under wraps and are just putting it on DSPs without any forward promotion

[tropic oracle]

yeah exactly

[warm crescent]

i think that’s moreso because of it being a single

[storm fable]

True, could've had connections with the radio

[warm crescent]

if a deep cut song got leaked then it’s an actual mole in the boys’ team itself

[storm fable]

I mean i think Its possible for them to keep it under wraps, but they'd have to do minimal marketing or pre release stuff in order to keep rumors or leaks from insiders from happening

[warm crescent]

but usually leaks come from people that work at the label and radio stations

[tropic oracle]

at the end of the day i don't know what's coming and im gonna be happy no matter what it is !!! sad how everyone here got rather mad at that

[warm crescent]

or early physical deliveries

[tropic oracle]

i think we should all keep our minds open so that if we are wrong we dont get let down

[storm fable]

Oh please don't think I'm mad, I just enjoy discussing the pros and cons of a double album, it's fun to discuss whether it happens or not

[tropic oracle]

noooo not you !!!

[warm crescent]

if the only pre-release thing for a potential second record is just a video saying “clancy disc 2 out now” + social media posts reposting it, it’ll be pretty easy to fly under the radar

especially if they don’t push any of the tracks to radio firsthand

[tropic oracle]

just a couple people b4 seemed rather annoyed at me for saying i didn't entirely agree 💔

[warm crescent]

but we’ll just have to see what happens as seif said

keep ur minds open 50/50

[storm fable]

Although they probably need to run it through the label, which is another way info could get out

[warm crescent]

although news of a new record would probably be of more value, the vessel tracks just appearing and disappearing could have been a test to see how under the radar they could be with things like this

or just label fuckery 💀

[wise sparrow]

They tried! We’re too good at spotting ANYTHING 😭

[warm crescent]

would be a pretty average FBR moment

but also i think dropping an entire record on an arbitrary tuesday is a bit much even for the pilots

[warm plover]

I wonder if Record company didn’t want the lore heavy stuff on the album and this is a way to finish the story the way the guys want to finish it. A record for you/record company and mainstreamed, a silent EP for just our fans to find …which will be amazing that a band can release an album without marketing and still sell off the wazoo

[storm fable]

I was thinking maybe a single on the 25th with an announcement, and then the album on the 28th (friday) just because of the paladin tracklist being 5:24 for clancy release date, and 6:28 for ???

[burnt scarab]

just watched the MV

I got jump scared

[glacial fulcrum]

Terrifying!

[burnt scarab]

any anyways

DOUBLE ALBUM

LETS GO

[steep roost]

How certain are we that’s it a double album

[burnt scarab]

I’m 99.999% certain

[steep roost]

I rly hope so

No way they would end a decade long story with that

[storm fable]

I still think it makes sense either way, I can see it being an ending,
but also being a cliffhanger, it's hard to say

[safe spade]

Hmmmm theres way to many Doubles and two's for it to just be a cliffhanger

[burnt scarab]

also the way the song ends with the STX

effect

s

makes it sound like the beginning of another song

[waxen meteor]

yes! i independently reached the same conclusions about the 7'33" meaning -- 7" 33rpm EP, which is common format for EPs

[storm fable]

Yeah I've been thinking about that and came up with 2 options,
It's either teasing a new song,
Or it's there to build suspense (Which why would you want to build suspense unless theres something new coming to resolve it??)

[burnt scarab]

6/25

LETS GOO

Mark I know you are reading this

big fan btw

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8fhfPCOJ8e/?igsh=MW10aHpibTJobmt1ag==

Instagram

[compact arrow]

Imma just keep saying it, we really may have made it out the trenches. From delusionals to trailblazers

To all my fellow double album tweakers. Behold the mega thread from another great double album believer

https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1253884150323351554

[pure timber]

Pin this

[safe spade]

Hey so Ive been making a figma of all the evidence/anything that makes me think theres more to the story, if you'd like the link to help me out let me know!!

[rigid sandal]

The video is oversaturated could this mean we’re still watching DMA propaganda

[wraith gulch]

This should be required reading for real

[wary lava]

This has been my thought from the beginning

Is that

There is a possibility this is all still DMA propaganda, or at least some of it is. However I feel like that’s disproved in a few ways as well as supported in some ways and I don’t feel like picking it apart

[silk bolt]

Call it a copium stretch but mayyyyybe

[rigid sandal]

We can't rule out a secret message behind the torches, we've gotten plenty of bird's eye shots so far. But that feels forced

[empty jasper]

Chapter 25 is the 25th song of the setlist on your, that's the finale. That's the end. The tour will be devoted to seeing the storyline finalized. There will be no double album.

[lean mango]

Thanks Tyler for confirming that for us

pack it up fellas

[wraith gulch]

Haha

[storm fable]

That's quite the conclusion to jump to,
What would be the point of telling us that? people are showing up to the live show anyway, why tell us which song in the setlist is important? i don't think they'd expect people to count how many songs in they are during the tour

[boreal portal]

??

[worthy wigeon]

OMG LONGLEGS MENTION
https://youtu.be/y0-KxHSIvpI

[fallow violet]

it’s so funny to me how every single argument against a double album sounds like a cope to me

[static sinew]

they usually have more songs on the setlist tho

also are we counting mashups seperately or as one song ?

setlist track # is always dubious at best

[patent coral]

People just can’t admit they were wrong and they’re gonna look really silly once it happens

[fallow violet]

like i’m still vary of fully expecting it but at this point it’s undeniable that there is something more, and the concept of live shows ending also makes no sense, it doesn’t explain clancy ultimus capitulus 25 and it would just be plain stupid, like what the entire fandom is gonna watch some grainy livestream in august and that’s how we find out how it ends ? nah.. also the tour is gonna last until 2026 for sure there will be multiple legs, same like how the bandito tour was intended to last until 2020, also there is so many fans that are not able to see the show and excluding them from not experiencing the ending in its realest form is also just madness and i can’t imagine them doing that. no livestream or recording can make up for that and if you think it can you must be speaking from a place of privilege

the whole livestream experience is a proof that the band dislikes livestreams that are just the artists performing the songs aka streamed concerts and that’s why they decided to do it differently themselves, so they also fully believe you can’t just recreate that without experiencing it

[static sinew]

i agree , however , i also think the tour WILL have lore significance

like the icy tour door

[fallow violet]

oh for sure

[static sinew]

which is why i feel like ultimus capitulus 25 is going to be a break in touring

like leg 1 is clancy , then in june-ish 2025 we get a big lore thing , then leg 2 starts

[fallow violet]

yep that was always what i thought was the case tbh

[trail igloo]

What if it’s a new rework of self titled

And that’s how implicit demand starts

[static sinew]

its the start of the live version of lane boy / redecorate actually

[floral glade]

I hope there's something on 06/25 but I also think that if a double or even deluxe album comes out, it would probably in 2025

Because TJ said that he's not a fan of lyrics videos or visualizer

[open bluff]

Yeah nah if another album is happening it won't be in 2025

[uneven badge]

Still on tour in 2025 and up till now there have always been 3 years between each album. I think its now or kinda never for a lore related album. He said this would be the last lore album and stretching our curiosity for another year... Dont think so

[cloud lynx]

smth could happen this 25th

fuck

somehow there was still a reply, and i forgot to remove it

my apologies, DRoberts30

[wise sparrow]

No problem! I’m still not giving up hope for the 25th! Fingers crossed the boys surprise us! 🤞🏼

[green night]

would like to remind everyone of the fpe exhibit/museum thing where there were 13 commas in the banner, each representing the 13 clancy songs

it has to be this way because the first ever clancy instagram post also had 13 commas and we knew the setlist back then

and guess what? on the same exhibit banner there were 11 periods

13 + 1 + 11 = 25

[cloud lynx]

yup

[cloud lynx]

that + 1 tho

what could it be

[green night]

its the craving

[cloud lynx]

oh

u're counting the two versions?

[green night]

ye

[cloud lynx]

fair!

[naive coyote]

They keep making a point to say "on the final track of Clancy". If there is another album, I don't think it will be a Clancy part 2. It will have a completely new name.

[novel bobcat]

When did they say that? because they made a point for the music video to say 13th and not final

[rancid gust]

There won’t be another album, there would be an extension to the current one, since the current one is the last one of the story. I don’t think it’ll have another name.

[vivid raft]

betting my life savings on ep/deluxe album

[pale harness]

i'll collect the money once we know more

[weak swallow]

email sent out after ps

but that’s the only place they’ve said final

[wise sparrow]

Mine ended up saying the 13th track too!

[weak swallow]

yeah it says that within the email but if you just go to your inbox the email says final

but that’s the only place it says final

[wise sparrow]

Interesting! I wonder why it doesn’t show that on the email!?

[smoky pewter]

They did put only HALF of their logo in the live chat for the premiere of the PS MV so I believe it’s a strong possibility. Especially with Tyler saying “does it sound like the end?” during the album’s livestream.

[orchid ivy]

Wonder if we’re finally gonna learn what the logo means

[weak swallow]

they do this a lot though tbf, just their way of connecting with us and saying that without us they wouldn’t be able to do what they do

[weak swallow]

i think they’ve said they won’t explain what the logo means in the same way that tyler won’t explain what a kitchen sink means

[static sinew]

okay but theyve done that a lot before

most notably when the my blood mv dropped , abd that was not for a second album

[small turtle]

final video, not final song...

besides, I still think the 13 + 1 + 11 = 25 thing has a lot of merit

this chat has gotten very circular though

I think I might not come back until we know for sure one way or the other

something I would like to know, though, before I dip. I'm new to lore. I have heard that 'Scaled and Icy' is an anagram for 'Clancy is dead' and that there are other hints in that direction. Are there theory videos/posts about that that I can look at?

[smoky pewter]

Sure, just saying 🤷🏻‍♀️ if the story has been planned out, how do we not know that wasn’t for us to figure out now? Regardless, I don’t think it’s the end. I think there’s something more.

[rancid gust]

Erm, akshewally, that’s 2/3 of the logo 🤓

[weak swallow]

i honestly think saying final video was a mistake, they can’t do a final song on the 25th without a music video

i wouldn’t want to hear a song that’s just

“i am resisting against nico
i see the banditos
i am in nicos tower
nico has been defeated”

[tawdry solstice]

Hey guys can someone please give any updates how far we have come in the theories since the mv came out

[cloud lynx]

could be a mistake, could also be them still keeping the secret

orrrr they're playing with the words, and they meant final video for Clancy (the chapter we have rn), which would then be true

[weak swallow]

yeah it feels super weird to have 13th track everywhere but one tiny place in an email 99% of people won’t see

they’ve been incredibly specific even within the email to say 13th track

[warm ledge]

hi guys well I don't know if someone has already pointed out the lyrics in snap back but he literally says "fool you once, it's been twenty five times" soooo?? what else could he be referring to other than.. well you know?

[shut spruce]

yeah that was discovered on day one i think

[wraith gulch]

Facecat has done a smashingly good job of compiling all of the evidence here:

https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1253884150323351554

[warm ledge]

wow I am in fact late to the show

[shut spruce]

hehe yea

[open bluff]

Alright my final double album theory:

A double album will happen. Each of the letters in that tweet from Tyler with the “random” letters represent a song. The album cover’s primary color will be purple with either the |-/ logo or clancy and nico. It’ll be about torchbearer saving clancy from nico and a truce between the two. There’ll be an announcement (with maybe a single) on the 25th and it’ll be released the 28th. I’m very convinced that something along the lines of this will happen

[split island]

And the single better be drag path

[open bluff]

I think the last letter in the tweet was a “d” (if i remembered correctly) which means drag path will be the last song on the album, and i don’t think it makes sense if that one gets released first

[split island]

Fair

[olive plume]

TYLERRRR

[fair dirge]

TYKER

GUYS

TF

[cloud lynx]

https://twitter.com/tylerrjoseph/status/1804571290793034150

tyler jøseph (@tylerrjoseph) on X

it’s not.
the show is a flashback.
like an entire life passing by.
reminding us why we fight right before we do.

Twitter · Jun 22, 2024, 5:44 PM

[open bluff]

THIS IS EVEN MORE EVIDENCE

[fair dirge]

WE WERE RIGHT

[cloud lynx]

Did he

[fair dirge]

WE WERE FRICKIN RIGHT

[cloud lynx]

Did he confirm more music

[mellow stratus]

WHAT DOES HE MEAN?????

[cloud lynx]

Second album???

[open bluff]

He confirmed the final battle is not during the concerts

[mellow stratus]

WHAT IS BUD ON ABOUT

[patent coral]

does this mean 2025 tho?

[cloud lynx]

Yes yes

Omg

[open bluff]

I don’t think so

[boreal portal]

ALRIGHT

WE SO BACK ??

[open bluff]

I feel like the final battle has to happen soon

[open bluff]

WE NEVER LEFT

[rancid delta]

"Reminding us of why we fight right before we do" BRO WHAT ELSE WOULD THAT MEAN

[cloud lynx]

Idk man I feel like the final battle is after the tour

[boreal portal]

I JUST COPPED MY CLANCY CD TODAY

[rancid delta]

HES SUCH A TROLL

[boreal portal]

PERFECT TIMING

[wraith gulch]

Here’s what he was replying to, FYI

[cloud lynx]

But guys see, he refuted something

[patent coral]

i agree double album but wording could make it sound like after the tour we’ll have the final battle

[cloud lynx]

He never refuted more music

[warm citrus]

OMG HE LEARNT HOW TO SPEAK STRAIGHTFORWARDLY😭😭😭 CONGRATS!!!!

[cloud lynx]

👀

[rancid delta]

Basically confirmed it without directly confirming it

WE ARE GETTING THIS DOUBLE ALBUM

[mellow stratus]

I really don’t want 6/25 to be 2025, but… this tweet is giving 2025

I hate it but like at least there’s more

[dawn kettle]

so real, ill wait for it but please be june 25th

[olive plume]

i see it as, like, we’re going to get the entire story before tour and then during the shows, we’re gonna get a flashback/groundwork of how we made it here in the first place? so something could still happen next week?

[mellow stratus]

real.

[open bluff]

So we don’t think anything’ll happen the 25th?

[boreal portal]

why tf is everyone saying 2025 tho

[open bluff]

The final sentence

[dawn kettle]

WAIT HOLD ON THEN THAT MEANS THE SHOWS ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE DELUXE SHOW GOING OVER MAJORITY OF THEIR SONGS?

SINCE THERES NO OPENER CURRENTLY

[mellow stratus]

I mean we’ll know on the 25th, if nothing happens then it’s 2025

[open bluff]

True

[rancid delta]

I'd wait until after the 28th personally

But yeah

[mellow stratus]

oh shi I hope so (not that i can even make it to the tour)

[olive plume]

they might announce openers later but i think tyler writing out all their songs was an indicator we’re going through Everything and he’s probably selecting the “lore” songs to tell the entire story

[wraith gulch]

This. I’m not worried until 6/26

[wraith gulch]

I always thought this would be the most epic show ever

[rancid delta]

Even if it is 2025, that's only a year out. Way better than waiting 3 like normal

[dawn kettle]

BUT IT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE, ONE BIG LIKE 4 HOUR SHOW PLAYING SONGS FROM SELF TITLED TO CLANCY

[open bluff]

It’ll be my first time seeing top live and i’m so f*cking glad i got tickets

[open bluff]

4 hours might be a little too ambitious haha (although that’d be awesome)

[dawn kettle]

but it would make so much sense, we still dont know whos opening for them if theyre going to have one

[rancid delta]

If it is June 2025 though then that means it's already completed to a lot t where they can have a solid release date

[open bluff]

I mean it’ll definitely not be a “normal” concert that’s for sure

[rancid delta]

Which would mean it's finished or near finished, and would just sit on it for an entire year

[open bluff]

Although i’m a little sad it probably won’t happen the 25th of June this year, I do think this is a really cool way of ending the story.

[digital coral]

I think it's time to update this forum name 🤣

[open bluff]

And let’s be real, we aren’t waiting a full year for just one song. This gotta be a big thing

[dawn kettle]

https://x.com/myri_/status/1804245549618483598
IM ON THE TIME TO SAY GOODBYE TRAIN

myri • ميري (@myri_) on X

that line was written 14 years ago...

Twitter · Jun 21, 2024, 8:10 PM

NEEDS TO BE PLAYED LIVE

[open bluff]

I think they’ll play songs from every era chronologically, and i think that’s AWESOME

[cloud lynx]

if this is gonna be such a massive show, this might explain the big time gap until it starts

[open bluff]

This honestly makes me so excited for the shows

[cloud lynx]

https://x.com/thunderrmuffinn/status/1804571768864071811

alex •• (@thunderrmuffinn) on X

@tylerrjoseph so the final battle is all wrapped up before the tour, and then the show basically summarizes the story of clancy through the three album cycles?

Twitter · Jun 22, 2024, 5:46 PM

do u think this is possible?

[olive plume]

that’s what i think

[cloud lynx]

i'm interpreting Tyler's tweet more like a summary of the lore or the band's discography, and then the final battle
but maybe it could be interpreted differently

[safe spade]

Yeah because we dont know the "ending" of the story

Ok hold on HEAR ME OUT.....if this show is a flashback going ALL the way back from Self Titled that means we are missing a VERY important part.....

[stray kettle]

I like how Tyler confirming the final battle isn’t during the concert confirms that the final battle has yet to be shown but ISN’T during the concert

that’s actually really good for our camp

[cloud lynx]

😭

[cloud lynx]

yes!

this is very important info

and this proves Tyler can speak if needed, and he DOES see us talking about stuff 👀

and refute stuff if it is gonna mislead us into false expectations

[stray kettle]

homie speaks in riddles

[cloud lynx]

but strangely, he didn't do that with the double album

but now that we talk about final battle on tour, now he's talking

which makes it even more sus

[stray kettle]

“Right before we do” is starting to make me think thoughts about 2025 I have been compartmentalizing very very deep in my brain because I didn’t want to believe them.

Hope I’m just being a silly goose

[cloud lynx]

i'm kinda starting to accept it lol

that it's probably gonna be in 2025

[safe spade]

I still think we're getting SOMETHING on the 25th

[sly hazel]

My theory is:
Clancy part 2 starts on the 25th
Rolls out like a regular album with music videos spread across the tour dates
Final video is after the tour
Second tour is a final victory lap

[rain birch]

YOOOOO

[stray kettle]

My coworkers are gonna find me hunched over, overdosed on copium on Tuesday if nothing happens

[cloud lynx]

yup, they could still put out music before the tour, and mvs (depicting the final battle) during/after!

[stray kettle]

I could live with this

[rain birch]

THIS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRM PALADIN ISNT THE END???

[cloud lynx]

imo it was already very well confirmed

but now this is another concrete piece of evidence

[stray kettle]

The most direct confirmation we’ve gotten since he originally said the final battle is after the album

[fallow violet]

IM SO HAPPY TYLER CONFIRMED ITS NOT GONNA BE ON THE LIVE SHOWS

and he even basically said final album after the tour !!!!

25 means 2025 totally

IN SO EXCITED

double album more and more real honestly

like

i said right after i listened to clancy that it feels like clancys memories right before the final battle

[wraith gulch]

I will remain willingly ignorant to all 2025 claims until 6/26. That’s my position and I’m sticking to it and burying my whole head in the sand until then no matter how copium that is. crosses arms

[dawn kettle]

true!

[fallow violet]

i mean you only have a few days so won’t be long

[wraith gulch]

Exactly

That’s why I’m willing to remain ignorant to the other possibility because we will know soooo soon

[cloud lynx]

oh yeah smth could still happen that date

[fallow violet]

to me what he said already confirms it to me

[wraith gulch]

Also

[cloud lynx]

he's capable of confirming or denying stuff 👀

👀 👀 👀 👀

[fallow violet]

yeah right !!! interesting

[wraith gulch]

Both things could be true. 6/25 could be an announcement or an extended tease for something in 2025.

[cloud lynx]

and he sees us! 👀

[cosmic jewel]

so... tyler basically confirmed more stuff to come before the concerts

so... in an month...

[fallow violet]

no i don’t think that’s what he said

[cosmic jewel]

we're thinking After?

[fallow violet]

he said the shows are gonna be memories right before the final battle , which means the final battle after the tour

it implies that

[static sinew]

he never said BEFORE

[fallow violet]

i don’t think anywhere in the tweet did it imply content before the tour

[cosmic jewel]

ok yes, you right

[static sinew]

its common for stories to have the recap come right before the finale

[glacial fulcrum]

I don't wanna wait a whole year for the conclusion 😭😭😭

[fallow violet]

i’m so fucking excited honestly stuff is going exactly how i theorized

[cosmic jewel]

yes, it makes more sense

[glacial fulcrum]

After that PS ending???

[cosmic jewel]

sorry i got hype

[static sinew]

im just really hoping this means clarification of the blurry era stuff + corpsebearer ideas

[static sinew]

SAME

[glacial fulcrum]

How do you see it going from here :0

[fallow violet]

i understand why so many people were against 25 meaning 2025 but i absolutely love it, yes prolong that shit !!!!

[cloud lynx]

yeah right :(

[static sinew]

after everyonr FOUGHT w me and twisted every word i said

[glacial fulcrum]

Noooooooo

[cloud lynx]

but that also means we can enjoy this era longer
more shows, more content

[fallow violet]

i always theorized it’s gonna be in 2025, whether it’s a double album or something else we have yet to see but i think it’s very likely more new music, and double album makes the most sense to me

[glacial fulcrum]

Idk maybe I'm impatient but like after that mv cliffhanger I don't think I can handle waiting till after the tour to see the conclusion

[rain birch]

SO THIS IS WHAT THEY PLANNED UNTIL 2026, TOUR AND THEN NEW ALBUM AND THE TOUR AGAIN WITH NEW SONGS FROM 2025 ALBUM

[static sinew]

literally from likr an hour ago

[cloud lynx]

i'm gonna love this show

i feel like

💙

[weak swallow]

yeah 2025 just feels stupid imo lol

[fallow violet]

i get it but honestly, think of it this way, we get more time within this story, they are most likely doing some fun stuff to still keep us engaged with it, there’s still so many questions, i think it’s gonna be fun, i like this way more than it ending right now and it’s over just like that tbfh

[weak swallow]

to market clancy as the end of the lore and then just make us wait a year after for no reason is just weird

[safe spade]

Ok but here's my only complaint about 2025 is that he said THIS album was the end of the story and PS was obviously not the end.....

[cloud lynx]

for no reason?

[weak swallow]

especially with how weird and lacklustre this rollout was

[safe spade]

Exactly my point

[fallow violet]

imo that was a white lie

[glacial fulcrum]

I feel like if they did a double album why wait a whole year 😭😭

[fallow violet]

if he wanted to tell this story this way he had to lie

[glacial fulcrum]

Not necessarily

[cloud lynx]

i can admit he did lie, but saying they'd make us wait "for no reason" sounds like cope lol

[fallow violet]

we are nearing the end so he didn’t technically lie

[weak swallow]

for what reason then ??

to make sure people come to the tour?

[cloud lynx]

their plan is to make a recap of the story before the final battle

[fallow violet]

and he even said final battle later after the record and the album teasing something at the end before we even heard it but somehow we didn’t believe shit he said

[olive plume]

we never got confirmation of corpsebearer. the bot for the tickets was just accepting any answer that had the word “bearer” in it since someone said “shartbearer” and got a code

[sly hazel]

I think they said Clancy was the last because it technically will be
I think he sees Clancy part 1 and part 2 as a single album

[weak swallow]

i could just watch the mvs or read the letters

[cloud lynx]

the final battle isn't smth light at all, it has strong implications, i can understand why they'd want to prolong this era
or make a tour that recaps the story

[sly hazel]

It's why I think he will make an exception on his Deluxe album views because his part 2 is going to be just an extension of the album and not just random additions

[weak swallow]

making us wait a year JUST for tour is no reason

[sly hazel]

The best example I can think of is uhhhh
Music to be murdered by - Eminem

[weak swallow]

especially for people who can’t go to a show for whatever reason

[glacial fulcrum]

I know but maybe I'm just annoyed that they haven't been transparent at all :(( like sure it's a 'white lie' but I still would feel let down if we got no new story until 2025

[weak swallow]

and they can’t even use dmaorg lol

so there’s nothing they could tease or give us either

[cloud lynx]

i still think there's a very slight chance the double album could happen before the tour, but without much music videos (at least not the end)
but that would still make us wait a year for the mv(s) (which would actually be kinda fine and normal tbh)

[weak swallow]

it’s literally just going to be nothing for a year unless you can go to a show

[tired halo]

Is this a real tweet from Tyler? 😂

[cloud lynx]

yup

[tired halo]

That’s willllldddd

[static sinew]

okay but like it always is ? like sai era was just tour and THEN an mv a year later anf then more tour

[sly hazel]

So this was Music To Be Murdered By
Released Jan 17th 2020

[static sinew]

thats just how it works

[safe spade]

This as well!! Like...I think it would be different if it was a sister album like Folklore/Evermore

[sly hazel]

And this was the "B Side Deluxe Edition"
Released Dec 18th 2020

Basically a whole year later, same album name, technically a deluxe edition
But added a whole second album internally

[glacial fulcrum]

Damn

[safe spade]

See Taylor technically did that with The Anthology but we got that at like 2am

[rain birch]

I mean, deluxe album 1 year after the original album is not uncommon

[sly hazel]

Not at all
But this is technically a second album is the point

It's not your typical deluxe with some live versions and like maybe 2 extra songs or edits etc

I think there's lots of ways they can do a "double" album without it being two separate albums and still living under the single Clancy name
And I think having the "deluxe" version release next year would fit the typical release schedules for these B Side deluxes

[olive plume]

poppy also released I Disagree in january 2020 and I Disagree (more) in august 2020. i wasn’t sure about the marketing for that though (i’m just a casual fan). I Disagree (more) ended up only having 4 extra songs though

[static sinew]

hell yea fellow poppy enjoyer

[olive plume]

i hate using taylor swift as an example because she’s an enigma of her own but. folklore and evermore

[dawn kettle]

tyler the creator release his deluxe album 2 years after the first one

[sly hazel]

I think everyones views on "double" albums has been twisted by the swifter tbh

[static sinew]

most of us wouldnt know what it is if not for her

[safe spade]

Eh not really Ive seen people do double albums before just not as hyped as Tay's

[sly hazel]

Yeaahhh she kinda popularized it in a pretty scummy way imo
There are ways of doing it much better with it all falling under a single umbrella, and do really get the idea that they are building to that currently

[safe spade]

Also Folklore/Evermore are sister albums. TTPD/The Anthology are more so double albums

[rain birch]

TOP REPOSTED

[static sinew]

oh its def been around for a while , but like its def popularized by her

[olive plume]

i think the double album theories for the billie album kinda disappeared

[lean mango]

Late to the party, but I think 6/25 is still a thing

I doubt it's a full double album but I think it will be an announcement or a new song

or both

[sly hazel]

I think 6/25 could be the beginning of their second album rollout

[lean mango]

she basically deconfirmed them

[weak swallow]

no we got clancy letters and mv throughout sai compared to literally nothing now for a year

[compact arrow]

Clearly 6/25 is something

[lean mango]

She said "I don't want you to expect too much, but you give me good ideas"

[compact arrow]

Me personally I’m the type of guy just to wait and see

And then be surprised

[weak swallow]

those were things that could keep people who couldn’t attend tours interest up throughout the era

[winged sapphire]

hai any double album

[static sinew]

1 - no clancy letters dropped until days before the outside
2 - why are you so confident we will get nothing ?

[compact arrow]

Check back June 25th friend

[sly hazel]

I think with Tyler being active today
If there wasn't something big coming he'd tell us

[static sinew]

also , tour is so fun even if you cant go ! i love when they tour looking at photos on socials. they havent been to my country since 2019 , but i love when they tour so much more than when they drop mvs

people post silly photos its so fun

[compact arrow]

Not sure those who saw it

Holy shit 🥸

[winged sapphire]

so whos not beliving in double album now

[sly hazel]

Clancy: The Final Chapter announced on the 25th
Regular roll out of an album we are used to with music videos spread across the tour times
Final video releases after the first tour
Then they do a second leg called the Inferno Tour as a victory lap

[winged sapphire]

that would

make sense

actually

[compact arrow]

Believer even after we are told it’s not coming

[sly hazel]

I think that might be why this rollout has felt so weird

[compact arrow]

Because where is that 50% finalized album from 2019

[sly hazel]

because it's just... not the actual rollout

The actual rollout starts on the 25th

[winged sapphire]

sad that top9 isnt the end album

top8 is

[cloud lynx]

they wanted to move on quickly

👀

[compact arrow]

I’m certain this next “album” or whatever is the end

Because why isn’t dema on fire

We never saw that

[lean mango]

tbf they'd consider it top6

[floral holly]

We are so back

[compact arrow]

Holy shit we hit 200 up votes

Love my believers

Type shit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/617774097329422375/1009540920993140827/5D484CEF-78F7-42CA-9516-A9B7C1555A74.gif

[winged sapphire]

wha

whty

[safe spade]

They consider Vessel their first album

[winged sapphire]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa true

[lean mango]

TOP 6... 25 tracks... 6/25

I wonder

what are the chances the double album just instantly drops digitally on the 25th with no warning

if it's digital only for now, there'd be no chance of a leak

[winged sapphire]

will it be

lore heavy

or

[sudden hawk]

I agree with this. I don't get why they would wait a whole year to reserve something that has excitement around it now? drawing it out doesn't achieve much

[uneven badge]

His tweet just confirmed it also

[sly hazel]

Lets put it this way

BF released on May 17th 2015
Their tour started on May 11th 2015
Trench released on Oct 5th 2018
Their tour started Oct 18th 2018

SAI was a weird one because of Covid etc etc

BUT
Clancy released May 24th
And their tour doesn't start till August?????

If they did a typical ~4 week roll out
June 25th to roughly July 25th

that would align much more with their typical release date to tour start timeline

[lean mango]

Bear in mind the Blurryface tour only had a few shows before a 4 month gap

[tired halo]

Also keep in mind Tyler has kids now and Tommy is a newborn. He may just want to be with his family before leaving on a worldwide tour

[lean mango]

But I still think it's a good point and worth considering

[glacial fulcrum]

Agree with this, I'm excited now!! Idk if I will be in a year!!!

[sly hazel]

That is true, Trench also had the Complete Diversion show like a month before the actual tour started

[lean mango]

Well, I also think if there's a new single and a better finale to Clancy it might be easier to wait for the true end

[glacial fulcrum]

I'm still thinking about how even though the album is already released and we're well on the way to the start of tour, the band is still being cryptic and teasing things about the story. Like, usually after the albums released not much else happens until tour but just look at how much it took for us to get the PS video! Why would they have us solving puzzles and stuff when we already knew the video was coming and (in hindsight) exactly what happens in it?

Anyways my point is if they were planning on continuing from the cliffhanger in 2025, then why would they be building hype now? Surely not just for tour since obviously the story isn't gonna continue there

[fallow violet]

after tyler’s tweet everything yall are saying about june 25th and how double album isn’t likely just sounds like copiu

[glacial fulcrum]

Maybe I'm massively coping 😭

But cmonnnnn man

I'm not gonna be hyped anymore in a year!

[fallow violet]

“why would they be building hype now” is a weird question to ask imo, like would you rather them being silent after this mv and not say anything until the tour ?

[sly hazel]

My honest bets are June 25th we get the big reveal and then they do the classic drip feed across the era towards the ending

[fallow violet]

it makes a lot of sense they would be announcing or hinting towards when the final battle is

[fallow violet]

i won’t even say anything anymore because you’ll experience june 25th soon and find out

[glacial fulcrum]

Good point tbh

[fallow violet]

i don’t think anything’s happening on june 25th 🤷🏻‍♀️

[glacial fulcrum]

I just won't be excited for it if it happens next year ig 😔

Mayyyyve

Idk

[sly hazel]

It'll be pretty lackluster if we wait a whole year just to get 1 song imo

[fallow violet]

like what else are they gonna do yknow ? they structured it like this and unless they wanna keep us hanging and in the dark, they must hint it to us now so we know

[sly hazel]

if they're planning to make us wait a whole year then they would be planning something much bigger imo

[fallow violet]

maybe because it won’t be just one song ever thought about that 😭 like this makes double album more real

[sly hazel]

yeah... that's what I'm saying

[fallow violet]

oh cool

[glacial fulcrum]

We're all double album truthers in this chat dw!

[olive plume]

i would like for them to post BTS of the music videos

although if mark was the one filming them all, maybe there isn’t a lot of BTS

[sly hazel]

I'm a strong double album believer and have been since I heard the album for the first time

[fallow violet]

yeah, idk i get why some of you are complaining about the whole 2025 thing but i see a lot of positives in it personally

[winged moss]

Well now we know that there is for sure gonna be a whole extra song

[glacial fulcrum]

Sorry for being so whiny ig 😭 we'll see what happens but hey the band does what the band wants lol I'll accept whatever comes

[fallow violet]

i don’t think we know for sure just yet but it’s very likely we get more music imo like the odds are high

but i refrain from saying it’s confirmed until we get official stuff

[winged moss]

Yeah w the end of ps music vid

[floral glade]

Personally, I expect nothing so I'm never disappointed

[sly hazel]

My bet is on 25 songs still
they give us the audio from the I Am Clancy video that transitions into OC
13 from Clancy
PS transitions into track 1 of
11 from Clancy The Final Chapter

[winged moss]

Damnn

That would be amazing

[fallow violet]

no i get it dw but i think a lot of it is irrational fears, we have more time in this story i think that’s very neat! and i trust them enough that they will make it worth the wait and do something fun

[sly hazel]

I think the big thing to realize right now
Is they said they had plans into 2026 and beyond

that's for a single tour

[lean mango]

How so? I don't really get the reasoning here

[sly hazel]

They have to be doing something between the end of this tour and the start of their second leg

[lean mango]

Tyler's tweets sound like they make it more likely imo

[fallow violet]

he literally said the final battle is after the tour because the tour are memories before heading to the final battle, which makes it 2025

[sly hazel]

I truly believe we will get more before the tour starts
And then they do a regular rollout like they've done before with music videos every 4 months or something, building to the ending after tour part 1

[lean mango]

He didn't say it's after the tour

The wording was ambiguous

All he implied for certain is that the flashback is to a time prior to the final battle

[safe spade]

He said the final battle was after the ALBUM

[lean mango]

I do think the final final end will be after the first leg of the tour

but I think there might be a double album before then without music videos for every song

[fallow violet]

welp yeah i’ll let yall wait for tuesday for absolutely nothing to happen

[lean mango]

and the true final end will come with a music video later

[fallow violet]

to me what he said was clear tbh

[lean mango]

I'd understand more if they were teasing just 25

[sly hazel]

I think this too

[lean mango]

but with 6 teased with it repeatedly right before and during June, the obvious implication is June 25th, not June of 2025

[fallow violet]

well they are, digital remains had only 25s, the 6s came from very stretched out hints

[sudden hawk]

you don't need to be so aggressively shooting down theories. nobody knows anything, realistically, but while I disagree with you, I'm not telling you that you'll be "waiting for nothing"

[sly hazel]

I think we might just get some placeholders like PS that they then replace with real videos across the first leg of the tour

[lean mango]

There are many instances of 6 with 25, there's no way it's unintended or a coincidence

Obviously the 25 is the most important part but he's also made sure 6 is included too

[fallow violet]

i’ve had people shooting down my 2025 theories almost always but i don’t complain about it it’s literally just fun lol

[opaque arrow]

so if the shows are flashbacks, does it means we'll have answers until 2025

[lean mango]

It's not fun when you're just shooting down theories, rational arguments are enjoyable but saying stuff like "i’ll let yall wait for tuesday for absolutely nothing to happen" comes off as arrogant and unnecessary

[opaque arrow]

if they're flashbacks maybe it'd somehow make sense we'll find new ques per show

[fallow violet]

i was always doubtful of the 6 because digital remains had nothing alluding to that and i will rather trust official stuff from the band, and that had only 25s. but well we will see on tuesday

[lean mango]

no? There were many official things from the band that had 6 and 25

[safe spade]

Ya know....Josh did mention CHAPTERS in that one interview, so maybe this is just chapter ONE and we'll get other "chapters" as we go.....

[lean mango]

Josh's insta story, Josh's and Tyler's tweets following, the timing of multiple of Tyler's replies

[sly hazel]

I think him sayhing the word chapters was a bit of a Freudian slip too

[lean mango]

it's wild to act like them posting on their personal accounts isn't "official" when their personal accounts have been the source of a lot of our info, arguably more than the main band account

[sly hazel]

I think Clancy The Final Chapter is legit going to be the name of whatever they do
So the word "chapters" was in his head already

[fallow violet]

so many? literally only antlers from the exhibit but those became irrelevant when they didn’t have 6 of them in the digital remains, tweets timings aren’t official hints from the band therefore i’m vary of them, meanwhile 25 is more sure

[opaque arrow]

i mean, you're right, and clancy's ultimum chapter is 25, maybe 25 shows count to 2025, i don't know

the tour coulkd be a great way for them to drop new clues

[lean mango]

but you're ignoring Josh's insta story and the additional confirmation from their following tweet exchange

which again would be a mathematical borderline impossibility if it was a coincidence

something like a 1 in a trillion chance

we're not just blindly believing non-evidence here

they've given it to us many times so as to remove all doubt

And it's about as vague, if not less, than the 2/29 hints we got

[sly hazel]

meurianapepepepee

[fallow violet]

sorry for that then, i got multiple replies like this and i don’t get offended because all this is just silly fun but i understand if it hurt your feelings. let’s just wait a few days to find out its not that serious. we are just trying to have fun and we are all clowning here at the end of the day, even i could be wrong

[opaque arrow]

if nothing happens in 2 days then i guess we'll have to wait til 2025 or maybe not, i honestly hate tyler lol

[lean mango]

I think it's very likely/almost certain that 6/25 isn't the final end

I think the fact that there's absolutely nothing else on Clancy to keep rolling out throughout the tour means whatever comes then would need to be the beginning of something rather than a single end thing

Most likely a rollout of something that will carry, to some degree, until after the tour

[sudden hawk]

could be a whole new website with a bunch of whole new letters, imagine

bandito.co

XD

[fallow violet]

it just doesn’t have much substance to it for me.. 229 was in official letters, 25 was in digital remains, 6 is in some mathematical tweet timings and tweets, it’s harder to take it as evidence for me so i’m keeping it in things to keep an eye on folder, whereas 25 is very much official to me

[vague jetty]

Yo I might actually lose it if I have to wait till 2025

[sly hazel]

This is kinda my reasoning of thinking we get the album before tour, but then the videos during and after
That has been their staple method and is just kinda marketing 101, you want videos being released to keep the hype rolling for the album
As it stands, Clancy as an album is technically over other than the tour, which is a bad marketing strategy

There has to be something there to drive hype during the tour

The only thing that makes this not as likely imo, is the way they shot themselves in the foot saying they don't wanna do visualizers etc

Cuz it means every song needs a video, and idk if a placeholder counts as a visualizer while they wait to release the lore videos

[lean mango]

I see two possibilities there

Either they won't continue that for whatever follows (likely IMO at least for the next era), or they've already been recording videos for the new songs too

[trail sand]

I love that

[wraith gulch]

I think Tyler’s words are getting twisted based on what our interpretations are and then used to support it.

I think he is extremely intentional in his word choice and it is important for us to recognize this when we pick apart something like a short tweet (few words).

For example, many people are assuming he is speaking about the tour when he references a show. However, his wording is interesting.

His tweet yesterday said “see you at the show.” Not, “see you at a show” or “see you at the tour.” Now, yes, he did then reply with tour dates. But I think it is POSSIBLE “the show” could be referring to something we have no clue about. Maybe a livestream that they’ll call “the Clancy show” or something. Maybe they’ll piece together multiple music videos of either old and new or just new lore songs and it’ll result in a mini movie that they’ll refer to as “the show” (remember how the livestream experience was shown in theaters?).

Then today, he said “the show is a flashback.” Again, not “the tour is a flashback,” or “the shows are a flashback.” So it is POSSIBLE he is not referring to the tour at all.

Now, I am in no way saying that I don’t think there’s a chance he’s referring to the tour. I think, in fact, it is likely that he is. But I just want to caution against saying “he literally said the tour” when in fact he did not, he said “the show” which is kind of an odd word choice if he meant the tour, why not just say the tour?

Now if it turns out that I’m wrong, that’s totally cool and I’m more than willing to accept that. I just want to point out the possibility that Tyler is being the exact Tyler we know—a little troll-y, with a huge sense of humor, very sarcastic, and he likes to tease us with words that can have multiple meanings.

My $0.02.

[olive plume]

i hate him

[sudden hawk]

let's push him off the cliff into the strait

[small turtle]

pushing him off the tower could also work

[fallow violet]

i’m gonna leave and let yall have fun because i truly don’t think nothing about his latest tweet reads as trolly and vague to me 😭 so i have nothing to theorize on that

[lean mango]

Eh, I get where you're coming from, but IMO it's super misleading if he responds to a tweet about the tour and speaks about something different in wording that makes it sound like he's responding to them

[wraith gulch]

I agree it’s misleading

But is that also not Tyler Joseph?

[lean mango]

I've never seen him be misleading like that

[wraith gulch]

Especially if the intent is the same aka the final ending is not the tour

Oops wrong wording

The final ending is not locked behind the tour

[lean mango]

I have seen him be vague and cryptic but it's a different context and intent imo

Also I'd argue that yes, the show and the tour refer to two different things

IMO the tour is the whole series of events, whereas the show is what they put on at each instance of the event

[untold fern]

Idk what to do with myself

[sudden hawk]

"In the industry it seems to me that singles on the radio are currency
My creativity's only free when I'm playing shows"

I've seen them live a couple times, and IIRC they referred to the "event" as a "show" in the singular, so I agree with you

[untold fern]

He said he’ll see us at the show so he could announce something

But then again, we shouldn’t keep our hopes up

[sly hazel]

I think he just uses the show to mean any show
It sounds more personal and it's just like him to think of every show as the show

In his head he has a show planned out to perform, especially this time given it seems like it'll be telling more of a story than we've seen before
I think that's what he's calling "the show"

[wraith gulch]

Yep I agree with you all that he likely means tour. But the other possibilities also crossed my mind so in the super off chance that turns out to be the case I just wanted to put it out there is all.

[static sinew]

i mean the person he was replying to clearlt meant clancy tour , itd be really weird and mean of him to quotetweet them talking about a completely different show lmao

[livid pine]

yeah and on top of that he linked the tour in replies so i don’t think he’d be referring to anything else

[wraith gulch]

Which is why I agree tour is most likely, as I said

[barren saffron]

He honestly could’ve just tweeted “yeah yall, it’s a double-album” that’s basically what this says.

[rancid gust]

Uh oh spaghettios, we haven’t even gotten to the fight yet, we just flashin’ back. Double album deniers are shaking in their boots rn

I am worried though now that the 6/25 thing is actually June of 2025

And idk if I can handle that kinda wait lol