Double Album Confirmed

[sly hazel]

I have no idea honestly it could've been

I lose track of everything my brain is mush

[wraith gulch]

Yeah we were talking about possible Paladin endings and the DR imagery of him laying in the fire but then coming back to life (last pic in DR?) and the Christ parallels and someone mentioned the three days thing and if it is tied to the 25th (120-95 I came alive) then that would mean Paladin on the 22nd!

[sly hazel]

OHHHHHHHHHHH that was me I think yeah!

[wraith gulch]

But if it’s tied to Sunday then tomorrow

[light chasm]

I still believe it. I’m just scared I’m getting my hopes up to be dissapointed. But the pilots haven’t disappointed me before

So I believe you

I appreciate the research

I’m just scared ig

[lean mango]

Fair, I think it's important in theorizing especially about big things like this to not get too set on any one theory

I'm pretty confident on this one only because I've dug enough to feel like it fits the evidence best, but it could still be completely off and so I'm trying to stay open to that too

[light chasm]

Regardless, it’s a fun time theorizing with people who have the same interest as I do.

[lean mango]

Ye, for sure

[light chasm]

Yeah I think you have a lot of points that pull me in that direction too

[granite seal]

Wouldn't "Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25" equal "Clancy Final Chapter 25", and isn't the final chapter of Clancy Paladin Strait? I feel like the mv has to be on the 25th and any double album shenanigans would come later. Unless maybe they market it as an extension to Clancy somehow

[lean mango]

It depends on what they mean

Clancy Ultimus Capitulus could refer to the character rather than the album

And if it's true that what we've been getting so far is evidence for a trial, that could be propaganda

The bishops trying to spread that they've won because they captured Clancy

[storm fable]

But I also wonder, why make a whole puzzle and show it to fans twice to show the "final chapter" if it's just paladin strait, which we assumed was the final chapter already, that plus the early june thing makes me so sure it's referring to something else

[floral glade]

I don't agree with the title "I'm not home". They never use a subject in their title. Like, we had "shy away" but in the song he said "don't YOU shy away".

It would be either "not home"

[storm fable]

That's a fair point,
I think We Don't Believe What's on TV is the only exception at the moment

But there always could be another exception, I'm not home sounds pretty twenty one pilots-y to me

[boreal hill]

My girlfriend and I were thinking the other day why the Banditos are so protective of Clancy. It all adds up if Clancy is either a bishop or the son of a bishop, so the Banditos want to defeat the old Dema system and make Clancy the new good bishop.

[floral glade]

I forgor this song

This song makes me feel like it's a bonus track lmao

[ember sinew]

That was me !

[small turtle]

Now that I see that theory paired with that screenshot, it reminds me of the 2005 The Lion, the Witch and Wardrobe and the look on Aslan's face after he agrees to take Edmund's place and die. Sooo....

I really, really, really like that theory

I am a sucker for this kind of Christ-figure plot. It hits so hard; it's so cathartic and beautiful. I mean, the ending of Harry Potter mirrors it, even the ending of the OG Star Wars trilogy, it's the best kind of plot. it just speaks directly to the soul, which I think is why even non-Christian creators keep doing it.

Now if that doesn't happen I'm going to be sad

he will rise? The Torchbearer? After dying??? Blurryface falls?

[small turtle]

I have a wild, probably utterly ridiculous, not backed up at all theory

BUT:

[patent coral]

Totally agreed. The hero's journey story structure evokes a very spiritual response I think. It's like it's hard wired into us to connect with it in a deeper way. It's really beautiful.

[small turtle]

yeah definitely : )

[cloud lynx]

what if

what if Blurryface didn't really win the war itself at the end of Paladin Strait, but won against Clancy
and what if he is actually globally losing right now and refuses to admit it

thus he censors the truth at first, and now he's feeling insecure and scared (changing the Twitter header again + blocking certain people)

[cloud lynx]

this might (somehow) lead into a second part

maybe we'll see BF scared, trying to overcompensate on his side, making it seem like he has control, and it might be true that he might have yet again some control on Clancy, but it's just a façade, and in reality Dema is on fire or is losing the war

although at the same time, i believe the theory that the second part will teach us a lesson (but a good one, not a vialist one), and won't just be "we killed Dema/Blurryface"

so idk how this could all fit together

[small turtle]

I think this is another reason why Torchbearer sacrificing himself has some merit as a theory. Self-sacrifice when you don't WANT to die is the opposite of suicide.

But so is choosing to live...and if comes back....? IDK

I really hope that isn't how it ends...

[storm fable]

I find it realllly interesting they chose to say "track 13" of clancy instead of something like the "final chapter" or "closing track"

but I also could be delusional

[small turtle]

if you're delusional we all are

why do you think we're all here? : )

[small turtle]

waiiiit hold it

[cloud lynx]

GUYS

THE MV IS OUT

[small turtle]

It's coming

what

what

But I thought it said 3 PM ET?????

[cloud lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mix9YfaaNa0

[small turtle]

no way

[cloud lynx]

oh

it's a premiere

lmao

[small turtle]

what does that mean

[cloud lynx]

the video is out, but is gonna be played like a pre-recorded livestream, at whatever time is set

(here it's gonna be played in 8 hours)

and then it's gonna be out like a normal video

[brazen leaf]

THIS THEORY IS ALIVE

[small turtle]

ok...8 hours to freak out and try to pretend this isn't happening and go about my business like a responsible adult...or 8 hours to sit shaking and continuing to theorize

y'all think I could pull off both?

[brazen leaf]

THIS

THEORY

IS

ALIVE

[small turtle]

do you have another piece of evidence?? or are you just thrilled we're still here

[cedar cradle]

DOUBLE ALBUM CONFIRMED IM CALLING IT

[boreal portal]

track 13 on clancy.

not the last track

nor last video

[patent coral]

WE CALLED IT

[storm fable]

also paladin strait has nothing to do with "ultimate chapter 25" so that's still something

[patent coral]

THIS THREAD HAD SOME DARK DAYS BUT WE CALLED IT

[cedar cradle]

not final track, the 13th track

[stray kettle]

HOLY FUCK

[cloud lynx]

?????????omg

the saturation is back on the actual teaser

and BF blocking people and hiding again

[boreal hill]

Where is nico's line

[cloud lynx]

alsoooooooo

PS is not the final chapter

confirmed

😎

[cloud lynx]

true

[open bluff]

The audio sounds different in the preview

[storm fable]

it's not in the lyric book either

[open bluff]

I just wanted to say that haha

[boreal portal]

we called itttttttttttt

[cloud lynx]

told y'alllllll

[open bluff]

Is this really a confirmation? Track 13 does sound suspicious

[cloud lynx]

we u called us delusionalllllll

[open bluff]

The lyrics in the description of the video are missing the entire 2nd part

[storm fable]

not a confirmation, but even more evidence

[cedar cradle]

THE INMATES ARE NOW RUNNING THE ASYLUM

[open bluff]

Lmaoo

[open bluff]

Trueee

[warm citrus]

FACTSSSS

[open bluff]

We mightve been right all along

[cedar cradle]

IM STAYING UP

[open bluff]

It's coming out at 9pm for me so I don't have to haha

[small turtle]

ALSO HOLD IT--to return to this theory--If this is correct--if this actually ends with Torchbearer dying--it's FRIDAY GUYS. Friday is the day Jesus died. This all fits. Way too well.

[open bluff]

Oh no

[small turtle]

OH YES

This is PERFECT

[patent coral]

after the 5am livestream europe getting it easy for this

[open bluff]

I meant oh no as in I don't want him to die 😭

[small turtle]

ok but if he's a Christ figure he comes back

[open bluff]

That's true

[small turtle]

in the NEW ALBUM????

[open bluff]

But probably in the form of being seized

[small turtle]

I think that would undermine the point

[cedar cradle]

imagine if the 25th was monday that would be fucking wild

[small turtle]

well Sunday actually would fit best, if he came back that day

[open bluff]

What day is 25th?

[small turtle]

but the 25th is Tuesday

[open bluff]

Ah

[small turtle]

so...that works less well, but it's fine

[open bluff]

Tuesday isn't significant in any way right?

[cedar cradle]

doesnt jesus come back on monday or is my bible lore fucked up

[small turtle]

Sunday

That's why Christians worship on Sunday

[open bluff]

But wasn't there something with "25 come back alive" or something along those lines?????

[small turtle]

probably, but that's probably just because the album is releasing on the 25th, so Torchbearer comes back that day instead of Sunday?

[fallow violet]

we are so back imo

[open bluff]

We never left

[fallow violet]

true

[rancid gust]

Well the music video is officially NOT the 25th!

[open bluff]

Not sure if it's double album but more is coming FOR SURE

[open bluff]

Meaning something very important will happen that day

[small turtle]

have fun guys....I'll be back later, unfortunatley I need to do real life things for the next 7.5 hours

[open bluff]

That actually makes me believe in this theory the most, not the "track 13"

[open bluff]

Same lmao

[stray kettle]

At minimum we get drag path I think. At most a full double album. Hopefully we meet somewhere in the middle and get an EP as I think that’s more reasonable than another LP. But I’d be fine if we only got one extra song.

I just feel like this album feels weird closing on Paladin due to the ending. I’d love for maybe drag path for example to close it out and feel more final

[rancid gust]

I’m so happy rn, I have a break at work at the exact time it releases :D

[cedar cradle]

me casually having to fend off sleep to watch it and my parents

[cloud lynx]

i think the end of the song is the beginning of the second album

or the start of the final battle

if the mv ends with or even cuts the BF speech

or at least it rly implies to me, more music, a musical confrontation

[lime carbon]

Fuck yes we’re so back

[stray kettle]

Drag path opens with “Hello Nico.”

Or “hello blurry”

[cedar cradle]

OK SO WHEN ARE WE GETTING AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE DOULBE ALBUM

[wintry bane]

What's the last line in the mv announcement video? I can't make it out

[boreal portal]

they gon tease this like future did his second album with a mv

[storm fable]

"making my way towards you"

[wintry bane]

Ah thank you! 🙂

[cedar cradle]

OH HOW THEY MOCKED AND LAUGHED AT US, WE RUN THE SHOW NOW THO

[open bluff]

Yes.

[open bluff]

WE DO

[patent coral]

verified becoming drag path believers now but double album bout to get em

[cloud lynx]

this sounds like he's talking to Nico, but like, then who is he talking to in the song?

[cedar cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/squad-coming-cult-mob-one-of-us-gif-14283140

double album believers spreading propaganda

[patent coral]

SingleAlbumIs propaganda

[vague jetty]

Music video today at 3pm!!!

https://youtu.be/mix9YfaaNa0?si=mOZ9REeXlRBsLBUc

[half zodiac]

Can't a man dream a Lil?

[mellow stratus]

FINALLY PALADIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wintry bane]

Just checking, why are we so sure about the double album now?Hahah

I mean I was sure before too, but what does the mv teaser change?

[karmic pumice]

Because we are on the 21

and

[olive pivot]

I still think its possible but

[wintry bane]

Ahhh 25 right!

[half zodiac]

I'd really like the early birthday present ;;; another album of songs to memorize. That'll be nice

[karmic pumice]

I would like some kind of live

maybe it's egoist but i want to tyler talk about what happened recently

with all the puzzle stuff

[wintry bane]

Yeah me too!!

[half zodiac]

He's probably on his bed kicking his feet while he tells Tommy all about it

[wintry bane]

I feel like they would've released it earlier if we found it sooner

[karmic pumice]

nah

[olive pivot]

I dont think he will because right now he is sorta clancy if that makes sense. Probably a little bit after everything is out (there is definitely more than this mv)

[fair dirge]

Did we get something with 25?

I mean

[karmic pumice]

21/06 is perfect

[wintry bane]

Yeah true tbh

[fair dirge]

Do we still believe it's June 25th

Or its something else

[wintry bane]

Also with the resurrection three days later Theory makes sense

[shell kite]

okay so if we are getting more music after PS, why would they spend so much money on the mv if it’s not the end?

that’s been scratching at the back of my head for a while

[storm fable]

I'm thinking just one more song, to finish off the cliffhanger, and be a sort of epilogue, which would leave paladin strait as the climax still

[olive plume]

HOW WE FEELING, FOLKS

[autumn vector]

I agree, only one more song

[open bluff]

I feel like “clancy ultimatus capitulus” refers to more than just 1 song

Don’t get me wrong tho, one more song is epic too

[storm fable]

Also the fact the music video is so short makes me think there has to be an epilogue type song, maybe something slower so we can actually process the ending and let it resonate

[fair dirge]

Right?

It also should end on the same moment as music

And how you can end the whole frickin story with "so few so proud so emotional hello Clancy"

They should tell us that we ain't get any more songs

And not instead tease us with digital remains lyrics

[neat iron]

The thing is, they are literally playing with our expectations

Leaving clues and everything

Like, why they didnt put final track? It's OBVIOUSLY THE FINAL TRACK

And ending the thing on the cliffhanger would just feel incomplete

• the Josh interview were he mentioned "final chapterS" and not chapter, he said that they might have more content "for an EP or something"

COME ON GUYS

[safe spade]

Them dropping this on June 21st...Blurry blocking like 6 people.....

Also on the 10 year anniversary of Forest Fic...... the tweet coming out at 6:01am

Also there is way too much with 25.....

[ripe sorrel]

i would like a deluxe album please tyler 👋🏻 i am nothing but a greedy consumer 🗣️

[wraith gulch]

This was freaking awesome to wake up to. LETS GOOOO 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[cloud lynx]

a part of me thinks we might just get one extra song, but also... this would be weird
this would make all existing Clancy copies incomplete

also, we know this is the last album of the storyline, but a second album can still be under the same "Clancy" brand

[safe spade]

Hold on yall...... the music video is 5:24 minutes long the song itself is 6:28.... 6/28 IS A FRIDAY

[ripe sorrel]

they been scheming haven’t they

[wraith gulch]

The Hello Clancy bit ends at 6:25, some people said mastering a record usually adds a few seconds to it I guess? So I think it’s another nod to 6/25 but you never know!

[wraith gulch]

That first paragraph is my biggest hangup with the one more song only theory

[cloud lynx]

also "chapter"

maybe a chapter could just be a song... but idk

it feels like smth even bigger is coming

[wraith gulch]

That’s very true

[cloud lynx]

also
why would Clancy be a chapter in itself, but one extra song would also be a whole entire chapter too

[wraith gulch]

I’m not dismissing single song as a possibility at all, but it’s lower down in my list of what’s likely

[rain birch]

PALADIN COMES OUT ON THIS DAY PRETTY MUCH CONFIRM SOMETHIN WILL HAPPEN IN 25TH

[wraith gulch]

Yuuuup

And the MV being short

Means cliffhanger

[rain birch]

when I watch the teaser I thought with that buildup (demaorg), and massive video quality, I think paladin is really the last one

[rain birch]

how do u know that?

[wraith gulch]

You can look into the source code of a YouTube premier I guess to see the length, and apparently it’s like 5 and a half minutes long

So a whole minute shorter than the song

[cloud lynx]

not the source code

the meta data of the video

[wraith gulch]

Oh there ya go ^^

[rain birch]

WHATTTTTTT

ITS NOT A FULL SONG????

[cloud lynx]

we don't know, but yeah, the video is only 5:24

confirmed

[cloud lynx]

well like, we don't know what was cut*

although i've seen people saying it might be the whole part after the birds
which could make sense, this part doesn't seem to be part of the "real song", almost like a hidden track

[safe spade]

Also why add the bird sounds to Paladin to begin with?!? They made it so its 6:28 for a reason.....also they dropped the tweet at 6:01am.....

[wraith gulch]

“The revolution arrives with the sun” someone found that Columbus sunrise was 6:01am today! How epic

[safe spade]

So wait if its not part of the "real song".....does that mean its part of a different song 🤨

[wraith gulch]

But you’re right about 6:28 actually, they could have made the birds just a few seconds shorter hmm

Idk. That would have made hello Clancy not at 6:25 then

[cloud lynx]

it's weird how this part keeps being cut from the lyrics, this whole verse

on the actual physical booklet, on the placeholder, even on the mv

like ofc it's part of the song, but i think they meant it like a hidden part

a teaser?

hello clancy...
new music starts

whatever, we'll get new music anyway lol

[fathom charm]

Thats what i came to ask about

Clancy ultimate chapter 25 but today is not the twenty fifth guys, so i gueeeeeesss......😎😎😎

[long rose]

THIS THEORY IS SO BACK! 🔥

[wraith gulch]

Heck yeah it is

[safe spade]

Ok wait....and this is a BIG reach but we're getting the video on 6/21 at 3pm, the video is 5:24 minutes long....6542231....double 2's....

Also there are multiple pictures in DR that are doubles.....

[cloud lynx]

also

this might be a reach but

all the "two" signs with the fingers

even on some selfie a fan took with him recently

[sly hazel]

DOUBLE ALBUM TRUTHERS!

[cloud lynx]

even on OC mv, and Midwest Indigo

obvs this could be a reach, but yk...

what if...

also, Taylor Swift did the same thing with her double album

[wraith gulch]

Our safe haven

[ocean socket]

Double album announcement on the 25th bet

[cloud lynx]

all the "two" in the lyrics too

two minutes...
sleep twice...

there could be at least smth with the number 2

[safe spade]

Oh we were yelling about this in DR yesterday

Its like number 2, 5, mirrors theres a TON of stuff to do with doubles

[small turtle]

ok, maybe this is a stretch too, but Tyler said in the Vessel 10th anniversary livestream that he considers Vessel to be their first 'real' album. If that's how he sees it, then Blurryface is two, Trench three, SAI four, Clancy 5. 06/21? 21 Pilots, album 6? It's not 25....but that is the date today, and if they added another album--that was 12 songs long--on the 25...?

that would be 25 songs

[sly hazel]

11 if you count the single version of the craving

[small turtle]

well ok

but the single version's not on the album, technically

[sly hazel]

there's been a lot of 11 hints

[small turtle]

...11 extra songs??

I'd take it

lol

I'll take anything at this point...

[wraith gulch]

Yeah the thing I’m not sure of in my mind is how many tracks on a second album. If keysmash is correct that’s 11 songs, and we have been getting a lot of other 11 hints so I really want to believe that. Plus with drag path and graffiti matching keysmash it seems possible. But 11 songs would be insaaaaane. (In a good way) idk I’m just trying to rein my hopes in

[sly hazel]

That was aa whole theory for a while ye
Tyler's keysmash is 11 characters long
there was 11 dots in the FPE exhibit

People were thinking Tyler's keysmash was the title names

It also helps that Tyler's keysmash

also has the letters for

Drag Path
I'm Not Home
Graffiti

[wraith gulch]

Yeah, so those three plus craving single would mean 7 additional if there’s 11, which is a lot

I wonder how many would be lore if so

[small turtle]

man, what if it was all lore...

doubt it

but it would be cool

[boreal portal]

shadow of the erdtree AND paladin strait ?

i won.

[wraith gulch]

That would be insane. Insanely awesome but my hangup is lore vids tend to be expensive so that many new ones would be cray cray. But if there was ever a time for them to go crazy this would be it

They’ve set a precedent this era so far with a MV for every song so it would be kind of weird if they didn’t do that with a second album

[small turtle]

what does this mean? Or is this just another two hint

[orchid ivy]

Anyone notice 5:24 is also the date the album came out? 👀

[olive plume]

unless they decide to drop the videos for the second half next year? but i think tyler kinda shot themselves in the foot when he admitted he hated visualizers

[sly hazel]

What if they already filmed the videos

[safe spade]

2 hint, there are multiple mentions of two on the album

[sly hazel]

there was a lot of gaps between their filming that is unaccounted for tbh

[wraith gulch]

I think this is quite possible

It could be a bunch more low budget videos and 2-3 mid budget

[olive plume]

LISTEN I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS like they probably filmed them all last year when no one knew they were moving around (and possibly in other countries) and that’s why we only saw them film clancy videos because they were right up against the deadline for that and we were expecting an album to drop soon

[sly hazel]

they said they filmed like 9 videos over the span of 2 days
that's insane when you've got like 3 weeks left to go before the release

They easily could've filmed a bunch of other videos in between then and yeah last year doing more stuff in Iceland or whatever

[wraith gulch]

Yeah and people only saw them film lavish right? And obviously NS. But if they film them all hidden away like they filmed most on or near that small frozen lake it would be easy to hide

[boreal portal]

ion think budget for 25 mvs is doable

[olive plume]

and tyler was insistent on dropping music videos for all songs because they already had, what, let’s say 3-4 big videos already filmed but they were all on this second/deluxe part of the album and he’s like. well we need to give the fans something in the meantime

[safe spade]

"Don't sleep on a boy who can't fall asleep TWICE", "I requested counsel with the counselor and he cancelled TWICE", "What's your ETA 2: Minutes"

[wraith gulch]

Yeah I’m not sure how likely it is, but I think anything is possible

[sly hazel]

yeah this would make a lot of sense tbh
didn't want the first album to be just visualizers with like 2-3 videos with some of them not even being lore related

[wraith gulch]

Great point

[sly hazel]

so instead they filmed a video for every song so we had a bunch of content

[wraith gulch]

So then if second album is a full album, how likely do we think it is they did a MV for every song?

Likely, because they set a precedent? Or not as likely because they did it intentionally for Clancy to tide people over like edy was saying?

[burnt scarab]

why isn’t it called the final traxk

instead track 13

[safe spade]

because its not the final track.......👀

[wraith gulch]

Because there’s at least one more 🗣️🗣️

[safe spade]

Just throwing these in here for a lot of mentions of 2,5,mirrors, doubles in DR last night before Blurryface blocked the Discord Clique on twitter: #1252689799597392014 message

#1252689799597392014 message

#1252689799597392014 message

Oh and Blurryface blocked SIX people

[wraith gulch]

#verified-theorists message

Check out what retro faith just found

[safe spade]

UM EXCUSE ME

[wraith gulch]

Ok

I have a crazy theory

[safe spade]

Spill

[languid crypt]

Still think the restricted content music video preview is evidence of a double album, if Dema isn’t destroyed yet and paladin straight has happened then why is there
Dema evidence?

[wraith gulch]

IF WHAT RETRO POSTED IS CORRECT AND THATS A NEW UPDATE, “As-it-happens” would fit the A in keysmash…EDIT DISREGARD

[tame tendon]

I'm hoping for more music, but I'm mentally prepared for nothing else this era

[safe spade]

something about the fact stuff keeps coming up as evidence....like a trial...

[olive plume]

jesus christ

we need to figure out if other emails from the site has “as-it-happens” included to rule this out

[languid crypt]

Yes exactly and the lack of “From the full length album” in their music videos which have been on previous albums musics videos

[olive plume]

there were some videos for SAI that didn’t include the “full length album” thing so i wouldn’t use that as grounding evidence

[burnt scarab]

the judge

[languid crypt]

By itself no, but together with all other evidence makes you wonder, plus Tyler’s comment before premiering the song in the live stream “does this sound like the end?” The song itself is a cliffhanger the full music video I think will give us an idea if there is more or not. If the ending where we hear Nico and it’s him looking in a mirror is about the only way I could see it actually
Being the end

[safe spade]

CASE 15398642_14........

[wraith gulch]

Debunked btw, retro says they all said as it happens

[languid crypt]

He says the unreleased song title “Drag path” in the I am Clancy video to which seemed super intentional

[safe spade]

OH btw the I Am Clancy video came out 2/22.....

[languid crypt]

How do we petition to get a Clancy Fortnite skin 😂😂😂

[lean mango]

That "track 13" tweet is the most suspicious, pointed thing I've ever seen

[wraith gulch]

Yup yup

[olive plume]

tyler pointing out that navigating feels like a track 9 song and them drawing attention to the fact paladin strait is track 13 when we know paladin strait is a body of water between two places so that means paladin is the bridge into the second half of the album because it’s actually the midway point of the entire double album

[cloud lynx]

but all of them were like that on Clancy, unlike SAI

[zinc pendant]

This is just 13th track. Still 287 to go

[cloud lynx]

even Paladin Strait

[safe spade]

25 songs in total......🤔

[languid crypt]

I lean towards the double album coming next in in 25’ mainly
Because they could tour first half and next year when the tour ends they drop the second part and tour again through 2026

[safe spade]

but we have WAY to many nods towards 6/25 for it to be nothing at this point....

[lean mango]

I think August, they've already started teasing and a year is way too long for a rollout

[onyx osprey]

this is for sure not the end

[cloud lynx]

it's always been weird how Paladin Strait is the end of this record...

[onyx osprey]

I think that 6/25 will be the announcment for it and then it'll release later this year

[languid crypt]

I hope it’s sooner than later but 2025 would fit the 25 as well I have also thought it’s odd the tour ends outside of USA I would think the climax of this story would end in the states or even in his hometown

[onyx osprey]

I'm sure they will do a leg 2 of the tour

[languid crypt]

And the tour seems a bit short unless…

[lean mango]

Yea, leg 2 is basically confirmed

[cloud lynx]

I believe the Blurryface activity, even the (deleted) video, could be the start of a new rollout
Tyler has been silent all this time, then suddenly Blurryface comes back

[onyx osprey]

they did for bandito tour and I geuss sorta for sai

[lean mango]

They have plans until 2026 and beyond

[languid crypt]

I hope so my daughter is falling in love with TOP she is 4 and sings almost every song from Clancy with me at this point

[safe spade]

they did say CHAPTERS.....who's to say we're not going to get even more

[wraith gulch]

That’s adorable

[lean mango]

Doubt, ultimus capitulus implies one more chapter imo

[cloud lynx]

i might be reaching but what if the "right in front of your eyes" text on the Twitter header was trying to tell us smth, smth more than just the password for the mini-ARG
maybe BF was there all this time, or Clancy is NOT the end, and it was "right in front of our eyes"

maybe BF was there all this time
this could have to do with the Blurryface censorship theory (basically Clancy is not propaganda, but a censored album)

[lean mango]

Would be cool tho

[languid crypt]

She loves the videos too she LOVES Ned and loves Trash the dragon

[safe spade]

Oh Josh was the one who said Chapters btw

[lean mango]

Oh true

[safe spade]

..........lol.....imagine they give us re-recorded RAB as a "chapter"

[wraith gulch]

I’ll happily take that

[cloud lynx]

OH WAIT, ALSO, on that same header, there was also the photo of Tyler & Josh from the DR with the bishop-like mouth

tempted by control... controlled by temptation
stay low they say... stay low

[night ice]

You can't buy a physical copy of Clancy on store.twentyonepilots.com anymore. The cassette and vinyls are gone. If you click on the digipak CD, it says pre-order.

[wraith gulch]

Oh shit really

Checking on my end

Oh wow yeah only the digital

Going to post that in verified and credit you

[undone egret]

👀

That’s a great spot

[sterile garnet]

The teaser for the official mv on their channel, has a part of paladin strait that we have never heard. The synths are different

[cloud lynx]

which one?

what timestamp?

[sterile garnet]

The paladin strait mv on yt, the teaser they play for it then has different synths than what we have heard in paladin

[wraith gulch]

Oh really??

[sterile garnet]

Yeah

[lean mango]

It's a stem for the bridge

[cloud lynx]

no, i mean, which part

[cloud lynx]

^

[sterile garnet]

OH SHI- DID I MISS THAT?!?

HOLD UP

Damn. I’m a dumbass

Sorry chat. I thought I cooked

[safe spade]

Wait....who remembers the finally vinyl version of Clancy they dropped was called Inferno....

[cloud lynx]

• the Dema on fire imagery

Clancy: Inferno? (i'm not fully serious here)

😆

[lean mango]

If we got both Clancy and Inferno right I'll laugh

[cloud lynx]

plz, TOP, make it at least kinda true

at least in some way

🙏

you've made this ARG seemingly based on us creating a puzzle, so you can do that too

[safe spade]

Idk I still think they made it hard on purpose......

[wary oak]

Hey guys

Lisent

but the ps mv seems like an almost finale. Wouldn't 11 more songs be a lot? For me there is only 1 more, not a double album

[cloud lynx]

it's definitely a kinda climax to the story

that gives the demons and angels purpose...

they fly around...

while we are walking

[lean mango]

If the theory that he loses here and has to try again is true, that's plenty for a double album

[wraith gulch]

Yeah that’s very possible. Also a lot of this thread is discussing not just double album but also like a deluxe or EP so just a few songs. It all gets kind of roped together into “double album theory” if only because it would require another physical copy of something

[cloud lynx]

Now is the climax to the story
That gives the demons and angels purpose
They fly around while we are walking
And mold our emotions just to please them

[warm citrus]

i amm coldddddd

[night ice]

agreed... unless we lose (not every one gets out), and then the 2nd half (or ep, or whatever) is the winning part

[dawn kettle]

I see it more as a inciting incident, especially what people are theorising for overall story purposes

[night ice]

idk

[wary oak]

but this video really feels like "the end" for everything it entails. the wait, the puzzle, the production

[cloud lynx]

i'm so excited 🔥

[lean mango]

My theory is it's intended to seem like it, and then there will be a twist

There's a lot of foreshadowing for a loss here, and a lot of foreshadowing for more coming after

I mean, Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25 even

[cedar yacht]

And alsothe video doesn't have the final bit of clancy audio

Which is weird

I imagine it's gonna cut off at the end

[lean mango]

It might, it may jump immediately into the ending

[wary oak]

I hope so. I would be happy if it is a double album. My inner self tries not to get excited so as not to come out disappointed XD

[cedar yacht]

Without even showing us typer and nico fight

[wraith gulch]

They may just cut out the birds

[cloud lynx]

yeah tbh at this point it's mostly a "more music theory"

[cedar yacht]

I'm sure they won't show us tyler and nico fight

They like doing dhit like that

[wraith gulch]

Yeah that’s more accurate. A “Paladin isn’t the end” theory haha

[lean mango]

They still have a minute or so for that, they def could imo

At least confrontation

[cedar yacht]

Well see in 4 hours

[lean mango]

If I'm right, it'll be a short confrontation and he'll be captured

[cedar yacht]

But im one to think that

[dawn kettle]

THE MUSIC VIDEO ONLY GOES FOR 5 MINUTES AND 24 SECONDS, THE FINAL VERSE IN THE SONG STARTS AT 5 MINUTES AND 2O SECOND, THIS HAS TO MEAN THAT THE MV ENDS WITH CLANCY ON THE CLIFF LISTENING TO THE BIRDS AND STUFF BEFORE PLAYING AGAIN AND TELLING THE TRUE STORY OF WHAT REALLY WENT DOWN, CONTINUING THE STORY AND MAKING WAY FOR A SECOND ALBUM

[lean mango]

Or they cut the birds out, the birds are a minute long so it would line up

I do think that's possible tho

[cedar yacht]

Www

[wary oak]

Does anyone else see the purple flowers at the beginning?

[cedar yacht]

Yah I'm thinking they were put there intentionally sijve it's hella cgi

[wraith gulch]

Okay…this is a neat theory

[dawn kettle]

It would also line if if they kept the birds in, then also make way for a second MV showing the true ending, where Clancy loses/becomes a bishop

[safe spade]

I feel like Clancy/Torch are gonna get captured or taken and put on trial.......

[lean mango]

I think if he loses it will be in this video, personally

[dawn kettle]

I'm still on the side that Clancy was a rouge bishop and he's been the 9th all along

[cedar yacht]

And then we'll have a nico rap album sweet

[lean mango]

Having a cliffhanger again, only for him to lose after it, sounds kinda bad

[cedar yacht]

Idk man tyler will have some explaining to do

[cloud lynx]

I personally think that Nico and Clancy are linked in some way...

Nico is a copy, also he's got two faces and Blurry's the one he's not

[cedar yacht]

They're the same person

[small turtle]

Um, this is slightly off topic, but earlier today in this thread, we were theorizing about Torchbearer dying and then rising as a symbol of Christ, or just dying and rising, however you want to see it. Or just dying. I haven't been trying to crack codes or anything, but I saw something earlier in the thread about someone 'falling' and 'rising' and 'we will win.' I took it as Nico 'falling' and Clancy 'rising', the Banditos 'winning', but of course it could be the other way around. BUT then I was thinking about it and...this confrontation takes place at 'the top of the tower'. What if it's a literal fall? What if Torchbearer goes after Clancy...and gets thrown to his death? What he rushes in to save Clancy and Nico pushes him off?

[dawn kettle]

I'm saying that Nico is Clancy Nico is the personification of his will to go back to Dema while Clancy is the will of the banditos

[small turtle]

I feel like you don't put a confrontation at the top of a tower if you aren't going to use the full dynamic potential of that setting

[lean mango]

As far as we know the "we will win, someone will fall" thing was the person trolling

[wraith gulch]

That falling and rising thing was pretty much debunked imo

[small turtle]

well, see my second comment

[wraith gulch]

As a source

[small turtle]

it could still happen

[dawn kettle]

Also this Ties into another thing on how Clancy is a rouge bishop and Nico and Clancy came from his original self, his bishop self

[wraith gulch]

But I don’t disagree with what you said

[small turtle]

the setting is asking for that to happen

or something like that

[wraith gulch]

Yeah I hear ya! For sure

[hot stream]

Any new leads to double album? 👀

Since that Paladin MV announcement

[lean mango]

Did you see the Paladin announcement tweet?

[small turtle]

nnnoooo

!!?

oh wait, was that the thing that said '13th track' instead of 'final track'?

also this is mostly a joke, because I know Tyler wrote 'The Craving' for his wife and that's sweet and all, but I was thinking about what some people were saying about the two versions being another hint toward a doubling of the amount of songs and thought it's called 'The Craving' because Tyler's trying his best to satiate our craving for more music

[olive plume]

that would make sense considering the video for the single version was about how no matter how much work they put into something, the industry will have the final say in if it’s a hit or a miss

[hot stream]

Yep

[steep roost]

So my question is what the heck is “Clancy ultimate chapter 25?” It can’t be paladin strait mv bc it’s releasing today. So would that something is still coming on the 25th?

I’m very confused

[sly hazel]

Yes it was always meant to be something else

Something extra

[small turtle]

oh interesting! I hadn't seen the video for that

I can see the stormy ocean from where I'm sitting and all I can hear in my head is '...endless row of angry waves, making its way toward me...'

[cloud lynx]

btw what is a "rouge bishop"?

[ripe sorrel]

red bishop perhaps?

OH

[cloud lynx]

nah there could def be a double-meaning lol

[ripe sorrel]

rogue

[cloud lynx]

ooooh

[ripe sorrel]

i believe they meant a rogue bishop

[cloud lynx]

that's what i thought

[ripe sorrel]

hehehehe

[cloud lynx]

but i still wanted to ask just in case

[cloud lynx]

what does that mean?

like a rebel one?

[ripe sorrel]

hehehe yes yes

[cloud lynx]

oooh

OH

i remember that theory

[ripe sorrel]

he sort of does what he wants to do regardless of repercussions that he may face

he do what he want

[cloud lynx]

i created this world...

to feel some control...

destroy it if i want...

[cloud lynx]

tempted by control... controlled by temptation...

idk where this would lead us to, but i'm just saying it

👁️

a wiser mind could figure smth out

[sweet terrace]

this theory is so back

[violet oxide]

as much as i want a double album. im leaning more towards a final song now. he stressed song 13 after just making Vessel have 14 tracks. all of the albums have 14 tracks (except SAI). so i think it would make more sense for ONE final song to finish Paladins cliffhanger. and the “25” that keeps being teased is just the release date and nothing more

[lean mango]

Well, if Clancy does lose here, do you think one song would be enough to reach a satisfying end?

[violet oxide]

one song got Clancy from across the Paladin Strait to an all out war w zombies in the tower with Nico and losing

[lean mango]

Yes, but arc-wise, he's been gearing up for this battle since The Outside, so 3 videos of setup

[livid pine]

idk. i doubt the single song because multiple unreleased songs have been teased and that josh and the “clancy final chapter” thing refer to them as “chapters”. i doubt one song could satisfy as an entire chapter. also i still believe that the tracks in the works since the trench era still have a chance to see the light of day, given that SAI and clancy were made in a year each.

not to mention the severe lack of lore as a whole on clancy

[lean mango]

I am 100% on the double album train, there's so much evidence and setup for it IMO

But one thing does nag at me with that

13 songs + presumably 11 teased = 24, not 25

[violet oxide]

the “chapter” thing is the one argument that is completely valid. thats so right. (again i REALLY WANT a double album) but a single song just makes more sense in my head.

like think about a massive cliff hanger in track 13, to only then have “filler” tracks right after it then finally have Clancy’s response to “Hello Clancy” in like song 25. i think 2 songs back to back as the final arc makes sense. but i hope u guys r right

[lean mango]

if Clancy had 14 songs and it was a double, then that would be 25

But I think adding 1 song to Clancy, and then having a double, sounds like a real bad move physical-release-wise

[brazen leaf]

They all laughed at us double albumers but look who’s laughing now WE WERE RIGJT It’s happening WE ARE GETTING MORE

[lean mango]

Maybe the double will add a single song to the first half too

[brazen leaf]

Maybe not a whole album but yeah

[lean mango]

Drag Path as #14 on Clancy, and then the double is revealed and physical versions won't come out until the double is out

[brazen leaf]

drag path or the next single we get better start with Hello clancy and transition into a SICK ASS TRENCH BEAT

I’m so hyped for tonight omggg

[violet oxide]

like i can so imagine on 6/25 they release a new final song and a part 2 music video that picks up right where paladin mv leaves off

[lean mango]

Drag Path feels like a slow piano song to me

lyrics-wise, the structure doesn't make much sense for a banger

[brazen leaf]

yes

paladin mv js only 5 minutes there’s no way it’s the last thing we get bro 😭

[lean mango]

I don't see Paladin vid being as much of a cliffhanger as the music end

I think something definitive will happen

[brazen leaf]

It’s too short

[lean mango]

probably a Clancy L

[brazen leaf]

it’s a cliffhanger or smth idk

it is NOT THE END

[violet oxide]

a Clancy L is a cliffhanger

[lean mango]

I think we will be left with certainty that there's more

[brazen leaf]

Yes

[lean mango]

as opposed to the uncertainty after the album

[brazen leaf]

I AM NOW A SOUBLE ALBUM BELIEVER

I CANT WAIT TO LAUGH IN THE FACES OF THOSE WHO OPPOSED OUR BELIEFS

[vestal surge]

i was thinking would be sick if we got 2 more tracks making it 14 like the theory and then physical we get a 7” single with the two new songs but i could also (disappointingly) see them just adding one song and then maybe doing a 7” with the craving single version on side B

[violet oxide]

clancy has 13 songs. just needs one more for 14

[lean mango]

if double album is real I'm looking forward to seeing how the reddit clique will react

[vestal surge]

oh you right

[lean mango]

guh, was so exhausting the way they shot everything down

[violet oxide]

as much as I prefer single version over jennas, i dont see them adding a second version of a song on the same album

[violet oxide]

in response to ^

[vestal surge]

yeah fair

[violet oxide]

im a one final song truther over a double album, but i want to be wrong so bad

[olive pivot]

craving (single version)

would make 14 songs already

[lean mango]

I still wouldn't count that as part of the album

[violet oxide]

its not on Clancy

[lean mango]

and it doesn't seem like the band does either

the emphasis on Paladin as Track 13 is pretty direct imo, like they're highlighting the lack of a 14

[olive pivot]

fair but idk what else it would be since it seems like the consensus is a double album would have 11 songs

[livid pine]

i feel like the craving single version is both completely apart of and completely separate from the album. i think for logistical discussions it could be track 14 for sure. makes a lot of the 11 track album things make more sense

[lean mango]

My theory is maybe the double album will add one more to the first half too

[livid pine]

though this would be better

[lean mango]

Drag Path could be an in-between connector between the halves

it could be what comes out on the 25th, announcing more

[brazen leaf]

omg yes the drag path back to dena

dema

omg

[violet oxide]

there are two big hindrances to my one final song theory.

1. they wouldnt call a single new song a “final chapter”
2. also they would look like dicks if they had all their fans buy cds and vinyls then throw in one insanely important song just to sell more

so maybe double album?

[vestal surge]

yeah i mean or they leave this final song off of physical editions but that would be such a weird move given how important it’s supposed to be

[violet oxide]

yup exactly, a double album would justify repurchasing

[vestal surge]

but i just keep thinking about “does it sound like the end?” and im like man theres no way they would set all of this up for this much time with this much buildup for one song

[cloud lynx]

we could still be wrong about a lot of stuff, but yes! more music!

you know

Tyler himself never refuted it

he even added to the fuel

[olive pivot]

thats not a bad idea i actually like that more than craving single being 14

[cloud lynx]

wasn't that basically a confirmation?

lmao

he could've just said "noo guys it's not music" like he did with the LOC ARG

and yk what he did

teasing us, hyping us EVEN MORE

playing with us

right when the theory rly took off, bc of yet again some teasing

[cloud lynx]

it would actually make sense

[tropic oracle]

what how is it proven right lmao

[small turtle]

what exactly did Tyler say that added to the fuel?

[tropic oracle]

as much as i would love a double album its not confirmed at all, its just a fan theory with some Mild stuff to kinda back it up

[tropic oracle]

i think they're talking about "does this sound like the end" which isn't a conformation of anything really

it could be like a short story or film for all we know

[lean mango]

I wouldn't say it's proven right yet

but there's strong evidence

and more comes every day

[small turtle]

ooohhhh, I wasn't thinking of that as adding fuel, because until I discovered this thread, I didn't realize people had been theorizing about it being a double album since March. I thought that started with the release of Paladin and he said that before dropping it

[lean mango]

it started gaining most of its traction when the leak happened and people knew it was a cliffhanger

[burnt scarab]

https://www.instagram.com/stories/stolenpotential/3395421567024906449?igsh=emp1dHd0OHNrNTdo

[cloud lynx]

nope not even that

[small turtle]

I'm not a leak listener! : )

[cloud lynx]

playing with us with all kinds of cryptic clues and numbers

especially on social media

[small turtle]

I didn't hear the air leaking from the balloon!!

[cloud lynx]

Twitter, even Instagram

[tropic oracle]

that's always been something that happens though?

[lean mango]

y'know, completely unrelated, but listening party listeners are an underrepresented demographic of people who heard the album early

[cloud lynx]

no, this was different

[tropic oracle]

numbers can mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean new music

[cloud lynx]

no you don't get it lol

[small turtle]

what's this?

[lean mango]

We have so much evidence for this

that story sums up part of it but that's just the tip of the iceberg

[cloud lynx]

no like, they literally continued to tease us with things that led us to think about a second album, after the theory initially got some attention because of even more teasing

teasing with specific numbers again and again

25, 625

[lean mango]

11 dots at the fpe exhibit

[cloud lynx]

one weird Josh Instagram photo with very specific numbers

[lean mango]

which was after 13 commas were used to tease the number of tracks on clancy

[tropic oracle]

is this not confirmation bias

[lean mango]

we have the foreshadowing that Clancy loses here with the box from The Craving + the teaser being censored by the bishops, who shouldn't have any power any more if the banditos won, and all the lore stuff this era being labeled as "evidence"

no, I've done a lot of work to eliminate confirmation bias and consider all possibilities

[tropic oracle]

someone who thinks there will he a double album will see any cryptic clue as a conformation of that

[lean mango]

this one makes the most sense to me based on examining it from all sides

that's not true

[cloud lynx]

no it was obvious that they knew what they were doing

[tropic oracle]

just as someone who thinks it will be something else

[lean mango]

there are lots of clues that we see as nothing, or not evidence for it

[tropic oracle]

as much as I'd love to be wrong i dont think its a double album

[lean mango]

for example, I don't think the keymash is compelling double album evidence

but there's a lot here

[cloud lynx]

all those clues led us to think about more music
or even often were related to that "25", "625"

sometimes just the length of a tweet, and one time even a response from Josh lol

[tropic oracle]

25 could mean anything

[cloud lynx]

right

"Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25"

[tropic oracle]

for all we know they're dropping a book on the 25th

or a movie in 2025

[cloud lynx]

what

[tropic oracle]

its not a conformation for a double album at all

we just dont have like anything to go off

its just a random example lmao

[lean mango]

only if you ignore mountains of evidence

[cloud lynx]

you're literally just denying it for the sake of denying it

[tropic oracle]

???!!

[cloud lynx]

"ULTIMUS CAPITULUS"

"DOES IT SOUND LIKE THE END"

all the other clues and evidence

the mv being shorter than the song

(i would even count the recent Blurryface activity tbh)

[tropic oracle]

cuts out the birds part i think

[cloud lynx]

still

it will still stop on a cliffhanger

[tropic oracle]

well duh

there's something else coming

im pretty sure thats obvious

[cloud lynx]

why could it not be music?

[lean mango]

-Tyler saying "does it sound like the end?"
-They repeatedly say they're nearing the end, closing chapterS, etc.
-Paladin being referred to as Track 13 specifically, after 2 tracks were added to Vessel this week
-6 25 being teased many times
-Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25, which almost certainly doesn't refer to this
-11 commas in the FPE
-The existence of multiple unreleased songs teased in Digital Remains, including one left in the open to be discovered easily, with a line saying "evidence left here on purpose"
-Teasing Clancy's loss in Paladin, and the censorship in the teaser is pitched down piano chords from something we haven't heard yet
-Clancy ends on a song called Paladin Strait which is literally an in-between place
-Clancy as an album doesn't match a lot of the description we were given for the final album
-Leaving the final album on a cliffhanger and resolving it outside of music only doesn't make sense, TOP is a band first and foremost
-One single final track doesn't make sense because why wouldn't they just include it on Clancy? It retroactively makes every copy people bought so far 1 track short, which is a bad reason to make people buy another copy and not something they'd likely do.
-Tour starting a few months after the album releases

[tropic oracle]

im not saying it cant be !!! im just saying we cant say that for certain

[lean mango]

And there's more, but this is just some of the more obvious evidence on the surface

[ocean socket]

The mv coming out 21.00 in norway is a happy coincidence

[lean mango]

most people aren't saying it for certain

I'm definitely not

[cloud lynx]

right

[lean mango]

but for me, having considered all the evidence, I do think it's the most likely possibility

[cloud lynx]

but i'm almost sure it is more music

[tropic oracle]

none of this really confirms extra music, tøp always experiment and are incredibly creative it could be anything

[cloud lynx]

literally all of this

[lean mango]

You keep saying it could be anything but that's not true, that's ignoring the evidence

evidence may not be confirmation

but it points in a direction

[tropic oracle]

look if its a double album I'll admit im wrong lol

[lean mango]

it shows certain things as more likely than others

[tropic oracle]

but at most i think it'd be an ep

if it is more music

[lean mango]

An EP is possible, yes

[cloud lynx]

if a book is possible, more music is also possible (and imo even more likely, given it is a music band)

(and i do think a book is gonna happen at some point)

[lean mango]

I think a double album is most likely for many reasons

[tropic oracle]

i dunno its just kinda weird for them to go through all this effort for clancy era, dump everything into all these physical releases, make the fans go to a few concerts with Just clancy music only for them to turn around and be like actually there was two albums lol

[lean mango]

eh, I think it makes sense, the many physical releases is the biggest argument against, marketing-wise, imo, but after reading the reasoning behind it I think that's easily explainable

[tropic oracle]

honestly i think the most likely thing is the lore being slowly given to us over the whole era, like we find out more over the concerts and whatnot

very in line for them

more dmaorg stuff too

[brazen leaf]

i mean there’s a good amount of evidence but it could be a new song etc so i’m not 100% expecting i’m just being hopeful lol

[lean mango]

Eh, not really

Most of the time big lore drops throughout the era come with music videos

with no more videos for this album that's not a possibility

[cloud lynx]

also i'll add that Tyler said during the LOC ARG that he would just say it if they weren't teasing new music... so we don't get hyped for nothing

now we have a bunch of clues and evidence, AND he didn't refute it, AND the mv clearly ends on a cliffhanger

[lean mango]

which, I forgot, is more evidence, they didn't leave any videos to release later to promote the album after this

[brazen leaf]

imo if not an album we’re getting new music definitely

[lean mango]

There's also that, yea

[boreal portal]

he also said early june

[cloud lynx]

that's different, + the mv is still coming

[tropic oracle]

completely different

[brazen leaf]

that was because they expected us to figure it out

i think

[tropic oracle]

he expected us to solve the puzzle quicker 😭

[brazen leaf]

yeah lol

[boreal portal]

i do believe there's a second album tho

[brazen leaf]

i think that’s so funny 😭 they were waiting for us whilst we thought they were being slow

[cloud lynx]

(but yeah, i'm still kinda mad )

[boreal portal]

the album being made b4 sai

[olive pivot]

its basically garunteed that there is at least another song / mv coming whether a whole album comes or not

[boreal portal]

cause clancy is not that album

[brazen leaf]

yh

wait was clancy made before sai tho?

nvm that would make sense

[boreal portal]

i don't think so

[lean mango]

What we know about Clancy + an additional album is, Clancy was made in the past year, but they've been working on something since 2019

[tropic oracle]

but people also said all this stuff for a double album when sai came out keep in mind

[lean mango]

No, not nearly all of this stuff

[tropic oracle]

i would argue sai made more sense

[brazen leaf]

true

[lean mango]

the only real argument for SAI being a double album was people not liking the album

[tropic oracle]

and tyler never refuted that either

[brazen leaf]

but people were saying that in defence of sai sounding different i think

[lean mango]

he did lol

[tropic oracle]

did he??? i was pretty active i might have missed it

[cloud lynx]

tbh i do think he might've had some concepts and demos for Clancy back then
but yeah they only started working with Paul Meany last year

[lean mango]

his tweet about "I don't ever want to lose your trust" was literally his response to the SAI double album theory

[tropic oracle]

is there confirmation on that

[lean mango]

Yes

[olive pivot]

i still think its going to technically be a part b to clancy and not a album under a new name because tyler explicitly said its clancy that is the most lore heavy album and would end the saga

[brazen leaf]

i don’t remember that

[boreal portal]

the main non lore thing that is pointing to a second album is

NO ZANE LOWE INTERVIEW

[brazen leaf]

agreed

[lean mango]

There's also that

there's tons and tons of things

[brazen leaf]

omg true

[lean mango]

most of them are small details but they add up

[brazen leaf]

that makes so much sense

[undone egret]

i have thought that a double album was coming for a while since the album is called clancy, then you either cant have one without the other (argue blurryface, sure) but you could see a second album titled nico OR following that thought that you cant have one without the other, clancy and torchbearer

[brazen leaf]

i was wondering where that interview is

[brazen leaf]

interesting i never thought of that

clancy and torchbearer

[vestal surge]

when Tyler said he was working on two projects at once he also said they sounded very opposite, with SAI being bright and poppy but then Clancy wasn’t all that dark sounding—except for a couple songs like (imo) Routines and Navigating, which def are a stark difference from SAI’s sound, which interestingly almost didnt make it onto Clancy so what if they were supposed to be on the other project🤔

[lean mango]

Yea, heck, even Clancy being able to be read as Voldsoy was arguably evidence

[olive pivot]

the second half of clancy is going to be "got that penny loafer SQUEEK" on repeat the entire time obviously guys

[undone egret]

if a second album hits, im leaning to torchbearer with a blue cover and josh featured and clancy in the background

[olive pivot]

that would go hard actually

[brazen leaf]

omg

that would be so

amazing

[left kite]

Yesterday I felt like it's so over and today I feel like we're back

[cloud lynx]

yeah, don't forget a second album could still be under the same "Clancy" brand

[fallow violet]

fr, like basically absolutely no big interviews have been released

[brazen leaf]

yeah

[fallow violet]

there were only a few very nonspoilery ones

[lean mango]

O yea, there's also the unresolved "claim cyan"

[tropic oracle]

yeah it could also be that he ended up changing his mind on the darker ones, the album overall is still way heavier in tone than sai so

[undone egret]

kinda like pokemon red/blue kinda thing

[fallow violet]

and theres no way no one actually asked about paladin strait ending

[brazen leaf]

because not everything has been released yet? 👀

[boreal portal]

also all josh interviews

[undone egret]

they compliment each other

[fallow violet]

yeah exactly

[lean mango]

I disagree, there's a lot of doubt and negativity on SAI

[olive pivot]

yeah i want to say that theoretically it would still be clancy, but logistically and legally it might not due to the implications of buying an album and not receiving the full thing

[undone egret]

also the craving (debbies version)?

[lean mango]

both musically and tonally Clancy isn't much darker

[left kite]

5:24 isn't long enough to end it. PLUS someone on reddit just pointed out that 5:24 was the release date for Clancy...which is interesting because the mv is shorter than the song even taking into account the 60 seconds of birds they mightve taken out

[brazen leaf]

yeah i’m still confused why it’s so short

[tropic oracle]

more sprinkled throughout in single lyrics

if you sit here deadpanned and tell me sai is darker than clancy I'll cry

[fallow violet]

im too tired right now but someone calculate how long it would be if they took out the outro but left the birds

[left kite]

Story wise it's darker, but tone wise not even close

[undone egret]

honestly, i love SAI and Saturday. It got my partner into TOP

[tropic oracle]

sai was weirdly what brought me back lmao

[undone egret]

made it something we can enjoy together

[olive pivot]

its gonna be like josh dun in the clancy livestream, its going to be just the naming off of different snacks in a rythmic pattern while josh dun or debby ryan stare blankly into the camera while eating said snacks

[brazen leaf]

i was disconnected during sai

[tropic oracle]

was a blurryface joiner and left right b4 trench

[left kite]

5:21

[brazen leaf]

i also joined in blurryface but trench sucked me right in i was obsessed

[left kite]

5:21 with the birds and no outro, and 5:28 with no birds with outro

[fallow violet]

could even be that. or third secret option is, they didnt include neither the birds or the outro and the extra minute is just extra pauses like in the outside music video

[tropic oracle]

i completely missed it somehow

[olive pivot]

we know the outro lyrics are left in though because we hear them in the leak

so it has to be the birds

[lean mango]

The Outside, Choker, Good Day, arguably even Saturday, No Chances, and Redecorate are all songs with pretty negative outlooks, that's more than half of the album

[brazen leaf]

trench will always be my fav era

[left kite]

Do we???

[boreal portal]

there was no zane lowe for blurryface

does that deiscredit the theory

[undone egret]

MMxTOP was my first introduction, then put it down until heathens came out

[brazen leaf]

hello clancy outro is cut out i thought?

[brazen leaf]

oh well

[vestal surge]

this band is like dema bro i left after blurryface but then trench dragged me back in but then i disliked SAI but the livestream dragged me back in and then I was like welp if they’re gonna sound like SAI i’m out but then Clancy dragged my ass back again

[brazen leaf]

possibly

[left kite]

Blurryface wasn't big when it was released tho

[lean mango]

Are they in there? I thought it stopped at the bridge

[brazen leaf]

same the livestream dragged me back

with all the lore drops

[tropic oracle]

but like nearly every song on clancy is darker and more serious man 😭 im not saying sai isn't !!! im just saying clancy is a little more lmao

[olive pivot]

that part is but clancy singing the part just before that (climb the topppp of the tower for example) is still sung

[boreal portal]

lavish

[brazen leaf]

ahh ok

[olive pivot]

im like 99% sure unless im going insane

[lean mango]

No, that's not in there, I just double checked

[tropic oracle]

i said nearly

[graceful hill]

The only time we hear the outro is during the dmaorg bits

[fallow violet]

no i dont think so because like i said, there is a HUGE lack of those post album interviews not just zane lowe, its gotta be on purpose

[livid pine]

also doesn’t discredit because it started with trench

[fallow violet]

pretty sure we will start getting those interviews after paladin mv

[small turtle]

...I know this is kind of off topic, and I know it's been said by someone, somewhere in all this, but is it possible that Paladin Strait is being told from the perspective of Clancy after the battle? Like...sitting there and saying 'I can't be alone, I guess I never told you so' after Torchbearer is dead and he regrets not listening, not expressing appreciation for his guidance, etc.? It's just...the whole thing just sounds so sad and that was one of the things about it that got me almost from the very beginning. I wasn't even into the lore, just the band, when this album came out. It was that song--not just the ending--that got me curious. I know he says 'I WOULD' swim the Paladin Strait, like it's hypothetical and we've been assuming he's telling it as it's happening--as the ending certainly sounds like that, as it's in present tense and he gets interrupted--but what if the song before that is actually him looking back and saying 'I'd do it all again just for a glimpse of you, but you're dead and I'm sorry I got you killed'?

[lean mango]

Yea, if it was just he Zane Lowe interview I'd be doubtful but they've done almost no substantial interviews so far

[brazen leaf]

yep

[olive pivot]

wasnt their only interview the one with BBC after overcompensate released?

[fallow violet]

the ones we did get of the two of them were filmed on the same day as the nyc show. and then josh did a couple of the online ones, thats it

[cloud lynx]

got that penny loafer SQUEAK

[dawn kettle]

Tyler was off cutting ties with Dema again wasn't he, silly Tyler

[boreal portal]

i remember when i used to hate this song, now my gf gets pissed off every 5 mins bc i sing that line lmfao

[boreal portal]

i mean technically he is

[dawn kettle]

True true

Going to make a theory thread on why Lavish is the best TOP song

[lean mango]

Lavish is still my favorite, my wife loves it too

[olive pivot]

fr unironically it might be my favorite if it was longer

[dawn kettle]

It goes hard fr fr

[lean mango]

we played a version of Cards Against Humanity with everyone having blank cards from the beginning and my wife and I tried to work in the proctologist line every chance we got

[olive pivot]

forget meaningful lyrics silly is all that matters

[dawn kettle]

The album isn't Clancy anymore, it's just called Silly

[small turtle]

Personally my favorite thing about Lavish is that on the livestream Tyler gets serious and looks at the camera and goes 'So why is this on the record?' and goes onto explain that 'sometimes you can get trapped in a sound' and this is here to spice things up, basically. And then Josh says, 'But didn't you also write it because we said what if we made a song where we could dress up in suits and rent a limo?' and Tyler, looking a bit deer-in-headlights, admits, 'Yes, there was also that.'

So basically:

[olive pivot]

we truly do need a silly album

filled with lavishes and bounce mans

[small turtle]

Tyler: It was a serious creative decision

Josh:

We wanted to play dress up

Tyler: ok fine

[dawn kettle]

Deluxe Album is just Lavish and bounce man 12 times

AOTY

[small turtle]

I think we might get one? Tyler said on the livestream that Lavish was 'where we're going'. Which I didn't personally love that idea of at first, but they do excell at being funny and clever, so it might actually be good in its own way

[empty jasper]

What're our double album odds these days? I say it's only around a 12% chance of an actual double album.

[dawn kettle]

Double album is happening

This rabbit hole goes too deep

[empty jasper]

Deluxe edition with one more song released on the 25th is my bet. Which I'm placing to keep my expectations realistically low.

[boreal portal]

75 %

[dawn kettle]

Sounds a lot like Joshua right now

I think we found the mole

[lean mango]

I'm 95% confident but that's only after lots and lots of digging and research and consideration, I don't think it makes sense for most people to be that confident on it yet

[empty jasper]

shhhh

[boreal portal]

imagine after the premiere ends.

[empty jasper]

Only thing I know is that Tyler knows we'd possibly expect a double album, and that whatever he ends up doing as the finale would have to live up to those expectations.

[boreal portal]

your new album, voldsoy is out now.

[dawn kettle]

Video ends and it's just Josh and Tyler laughing at us for how long it took to find this

"yeah we ain't finishing Clancy"

[lean mango]

doesn't have to imo

[empty jasper]

Honestly, I think after the Paladin video releases, there's an ARG that officially leads to the extra/hidden track(s)

[lean mango]

A double album isn't confirmed so nobody should be considering it as certain, if they are and they're disappointed because of it, that's kind of on them

[lean mango]

yea, I thought this might be possible, would be cool

I love the idea of a double album released first via ARG where each song has to be found individually and leads to the next one

[undone egret]

the one thought about a "double album" that is irking me right now is that you cant buy Clancy from the store right now physically. It lends to a deluxe edition over a full album, but we will find out soon

[dawn kettle]

I'm on the side that it's another password that we have to find that leads to the true ending of the Clancy era

[lean mango]

Yea, I'm not sure about this

[empty jasper]

Agreed, plus people have already bought Clancy with the idea that it's the final entry in the saga. Putting another album out behind a paywall kind of flies in the face of that. Although Tyler also has said he doesn't like Deluxe editions, but I think he could make an exception here.

[lean mango]

IMO this is a big argument against a deluxe

presumably part of the reason he dislikes it is the ethical aspect

[empty jasper]

true, true

[lean mango]

he'd be less likely to make people buy something new unless he thinks it will be very worth it

[vestal surge]

unless im misinterpreting what you mean, I got my copy of Clancy from a store just a few days ago

[lean mango]

the online store

[vestal surge]

ahh

[undone egret]

go to the TOP store now, the digital version is the only one you can buy

[lean mango]

But yea, it's still in stock in most places

[olive pivot]

yeah i dont think that would legally be doable

[vestal surge]

I thought you meant physical stores I see

[undone egret]

nahh

[olive pivot]

alot of people already bought the clancy album

[undone egret]

i mean i have bought this album about 5 times over so i can see why people would be irked

[olive pivot]

it would be unfair for us to have to buy another vinyl / cd for a single song

[empty jasper]

How about free albums are shipped out after the video premier today, haha

Yeah, all this spells out that it's not likely what's going to happen.

[olive pivot]

thats the only world they do it i think is if they send people a new one but like

that is a massive waste of resources

[undone egret]

well that thought process kinda does lean into the double album theory, as its something new

[vestal surge]

if it’s just one song i bet we get a 7” with new song / craving single version or paladin strait / new somg

[undone egret]

and not an addon to clancy

[sly hazel]

That's why there's a deluxe or second album

[static sinew]

how bout they invent a new technology tk remotely add songs to our cds

[sly hazel]

that way you don't feel obligated to buy the whole album again for 1 song

cuz you get a whole new album instead

[undone egret]

agreed, could also lead onto the 2025 date that has been banded around

[empty jasper]

You just have to play it in reverse at a certain BPM and the new song reveals itself

[empty jasper]

But they wouldn't advertise Clancy as the end, then.

[undone egret]

beginning of the end?

[empty jasper]

post-tour?

ehhh

[undone egret]

kinda like endgame was

[sly hazel]

Yeah I think it's all happening before the tour

25th will be the start of the end

[brazen leaf]

they can advertise it as whatever they want doesn’t mean it’s true

they could just say whatever they want

[sly hazel]

25th my bet is we get a premiere for a new song, and that will tell us if we're getting a deluxe or secondary album

[undone egret]

well tyler said "do you think its the end?" on the livestream

[brazen leaf]

^

[brazen leaf]

same

or smth lore related

[empty jasper]

Sure, but that'd lose trust in the fans, so say it's this three album cycle since Trench was released, and then pull an "but actually" wouldn't sit well with how the optics of what Tyler is trying to do, methinks

[undone egret]

but they did also say now all lore cards are on the table

so who knows

[brazen leaf]

well i think we’d all love it if they released more so it’s not really an issue for the fans

if they say it’s the end and release more no one will complain 😂

[empty jasper]

I wouldn't complain, but I feel like there may be some who do, right? After paying for merchandise/tour tickets for what they thought was the grand finale

[brazen leaf]

eh

idk

maybe

with that side of things probably

[undone egret]

it could still be pre-tour i guess

[wraith gulch]

I was thinking about the vinyls disappearing off the store, and it makes me wonder, if double album or ep or whatever is true, if they are going to offer it both as an individual vinyl and as a vinyl two-pack paired with Clancy, something like this which has two vinyls in it, maybe the Clancy cover on the front and whatever part 2 is as the back cover, or something along those lines.

[undone egret]

actually a very good shout

[rancid delta]

"13th track" as in there's more tracks lmaoooo

[empty jasper]

How about this: it's a deluxe edition with terribly remixed versions of all the songs featuring Drake. Everyone's completely blindsided.

[undone egret]

rip

[boreal portal]

it is lol

utopia had entire verses be removed

[rancid delta]

I just hope I could buy the second half separately, I already have a lot of copies of the normal clancy

Would all my copies become pointless if we got a deluxe version with a few more tracks?

I would feel ripped off personally

[olive pivot]

the problem isnt having to buy a second album the problem would be if they just release a single song on a "deluxe"

[empty jasper]

How about the final chapter be a re-recorded self-titled

[olive pivot]

especially when said song would be the most or second most lore important album on the entire record

[rancid delta]

I hope that if there is more they have a 7 inch vinyl and a cd single if it's only one more song

[undone egret]

theres a good thread on reddit in support of a double album

[static sinew]

honestly id be down if it also had single version of the craving. we were so robbed of that on cd

[undone egret]

90mins to go

[wraith gulch]

@lean mango @patent coral you see this???

[patent coral]

Oh it's about to go down and we might not like it 😭

[zinc pendant]

Still major possibility?

[patent coral]

Blue defeat double album era incoming

Which is a crazy sentence

[wraith gulch]

Yeah your captured and put on trial theory may be exactly what happens

Imagine if it ends with the first couple notes of Heathens just like Navigating MV ended with My Blood notes

[patent coral]

A battle was never going to be a nuanced enough resolution, it will be in a trial to confront, examine, and come to terms with both defeat and hope

Also Migraine lyrics would connect:

Suspended in a defenseless test
Being tested by a ruthless examinant
That's represented best by my depressing thoughts

[lean mango]

Same with The Judge

[wraith gulch]

Great reference

Yeah

There was another I saw too that I have to find

[patent coral]

Then every color would have its place, the yellow of the banditos, the red of Blurryface/Clancy, and the blue of defeat and creativity (Trash and Ned). All of them hold part of the answer.

Once again a truce

[safe spade]

Yooo not me possibly being right that they're gonna be on trial!?!?

[safe spade]

And Migraine could be heard in The Outside music video

[lean mango]

OH

I think it just clicked for me why Migraine plays there

It's the song the "islands of violence" lyric comes from

and voldsoy = island of violence

[patent coral]

Haha yup

[wraith gulch]

Yes!!!

[lean mango]

so what are the chances the video ends with a bit of Drag Path starting?

[safe spade]

Its possible!!

[rancid delta]

Claim cyan

Cyan/Purple mix would look amazing

[lean mango]

it would

[patent coral]

I wrote a whole theory about why I think it's likely https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1253366522882166935

[safe spade]

I got some things to throw in there 👀

[wraith gulch]

Is it possible we get something on Sunday, and that’s when we see DR images of the city on fire, and Josh has to find Clancy which would lead to Drag Path ? There was a theory about this being like a resurrection of Christ which was three days and if it were to happen on Sunday that would mean Paladin comes out Friday and it is

@safe spade go ahead with your additions! Just thinking out loud didn’t mean to interrupt

[patent coral]

please do

[safe spade]

Well if we look at the logo and its Red, Black and Blue and someone pointed out him standing in the hallway looks like the logo because one side is red and the other is blue

"Behind my eyelids are islands of violence"

[small turtle]

I think I saw somewhere in this thread last night that someone was researching the potential meaning of 'Midwest Indigo' and did I see someone say it could mean 'false indigo'? Could that be like...false defeat? It's only temporary? That sounds like the death of Christ and would also fit because the Banditos are almost certainly not going to lose and then that's just going to be the end

[brazen leaf]

i think midwest indigo is a reference to ohio

and where he grew up

but idk

[small turtle]

yes, but someone was talking about the meaing of the word 'Indigo' itself

[undone egret]

it is 🙂

[small turtle]

IDK I would have to google it

[brazen leaf]

Indigo referring to the cold i think

not sure

[brazen leaf]

yeah

[undone egret]

they speak about it on the livestream

[small turtle]

yeah, I know, I know, but there was SOMTHING when I was on here at 1 AM I can't remember who said it or what exactly lol

or if it had any credence

[brazen leaf]

that was before tyler confirmed that it’s about ohio

[small turtle]

things can mean more than one thing

[safe spade]

That may have been me or at least I talked about it in DR

BUT I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

[small turtle]

what??