Double Album Confirmed

[lean mango]

Yea, exactly

[silent cairn]

I think the best argument for spread out albums is keeping the story going throughout the era.

[lean mango]

If they give us a single in June and keep up the lore teasers alongside more singles, there will definitely be hype

[weak swallow]

but the wait is only interesting because we’re delusional in this server

[fair dirge]

I don't really expect more music and because of that I'm really disappointed with all this marketing and saying that Clancy is full of lore im sorry but really? Trench has more lore

[silent cairn]

I imagine we'd get Clancy P2 more than a new album entirely

[weak swallow]

there’s something coming on the 25th but it’s most likely not even new music lol

maybe a song

[lean mango]

Then what do you think it is?

[lean mango]

Could be the same thing

[weak swallow]

if it is music it’s just most likely just one song

there isn’t enough story left for a whole other album

[lean mango]

And what if it's not new music?

[weak swallow]

clancy is facing nico right now

[lean mango]

Then you clearly just don't understand storytelling lol

[weak swallow]

worst case is an album full of all of the lore songs from previous albums that you can listen to that tells the story of clancy 😭

[silent cairn]

I do agree with only more song if we get something next month on the 25th

[lean mango]

The first direct confrontation with the main antagonist is rarely the final one

[weak swallow]

??? he’s at the climax of the story

[weak swallow]

he’s had multiple confrontations

it would feel terrible to have this album hyped up as the end

[lean mango]

I said direct

[weak swallow]

then have ps mv just go

actually that was a complete fakeout

[lean mango]

Well then I'm sorry, because PS song already did that

Whether you like it or not, PS didn't give us an end

[weak swallow]

we’re assuming that there’s even more story to tell

could be a cliffhanger ending

[lean mango]

And Tyler has gone out of his way to make that clear

[weak swallow]

yeah but that doesn’t mean it’s going to have much more

[lean mango]

We're not assuming, he practically told us

[weak swallow]

the mv could easily be an extra minute of blurryface and clancy doing something that isn’t fighting

clancy is about learning to live with mental illness so most likely he won’t destroy dema or nico

clancy could just take his powers or something lol

he says does it SOUND like the end, taking that literally, no it doesn’t sound like the end because the ending will be shown rather than heard

[olive plume]

i can see a song as an epilogue to let us know what happens after everything, like a retrospective on what could have been done differently

[lean mango]

I think that is rooted in a major misunderstanding of what this story is

And what the point of it is

[weak swallow]

i can’t see anything more than a song

[lean mango]

There's a narrative with real life connections and meanings being told here

[weak swallow]

how is this entire story not about learning to live with mental health

[cloud lynx]

yeah sure the album that's gonna end an entire storyline that was mainly based on music, is gonna end on a cliffhanger, while teasing that there is "more"

[lean mango]

So it's not just simply "we confront the bad guy, we win or we lose, story over"

[weak swallow]

yeah which is why it’s in the middle where both sides continue to live because neither can win or lose

dema can’t be destroyed because mental illness can’t be

[green night]

i feel like this is unlikely because the story is being told musically, so for it to end we would have to rewatch the mv every time? so when we listen to clancy we simply listen to 90% of the story and the last part is simply missing

[lean mango]

And I think people who think that way haven't done a lot of deep analysis or thinking about Tyler's music in general

[cloud lynx]

it would not feel correct, to me, to have the story not end in the album itself

[lean mango]

His lyrics, his messages, and what he uses music for

[weak swallow]

the outside has several parts that aren’t told with music

[green night]

true but this is the very end

[weak swallow]

the outside mv was the end of sai too and nobody said “well that just feels bad because i can’t hear tyler holding a torch and travelling to dema”

[cloud lynx]

but it still lead to smth else

lol

it wasn't "the end"

[weak swallow]

the mv and dmaorg have been the only way the story was directly told

[cloud lynx]

also, Clancy itself stretched the lore a lot, like, it barely made any progression
why not a second part, a second face, with a different theme, that leads to an actual ending (or could be an epilogue)

[weak swallow]

dmaorg is done because the clancy journal came out

you can’t listen to trench through to clancy and understand the story in the music videos

you HAVE to watch the mv or there is no story

nobody’s ever complained about that before so i don’t understand why it would be an issue now

it’s not like jumpsuits lyrics are

“i see nico riding a horse toward me
i’m in trench
i see the banditos
nico is taking me back to dema
they’re throwing flowers on me
i run away”

[silent cairn]

What if we get a GOT final season (but good) EP, where it's just a few tracks to wrap it up?

[lean mango]

I think one of the most important things in TOP's music is the purpose behind it, and the effectiveness of that purpose

[lean mango]

I could see this happening potentially

Honestly my biggest hesitance to expect an EP is just in the fact that EPs have a weird place in the music industry

[weak swallow]

i can see ep or a single but not a whole other album especially not when tyler doesn’t like some of the songs on clancy

[silent cairn]

Maybe the tracks could be spread out too.

[lean mango]

A lot of bands just use them to release album tracks before an album, and they rarely sell as well as albums

[rain birch]

why not deluxe then?

[lean mango]

Or have as big reach

[silent cairn]

I'd prefer an EP over a deluxe album, even if it's just Clancy Part 2

It means existing Clancy copies aren't obsolete.

[lean mango]

And I've mentioned before, but a deluxe album would make the normal version retroactively feel incomplete and inferior

[cloud lynx]

The lore in Clancy was already spread out a lot lol, i don't see how a second album would be such a stretch, lore-wise, or how would it stretch out the story so much compared to Clancy

[lean mango]

Why even own the original if the deluxe has the ending?

[weak swallow]

any added music makes the clancy copies obselete tbf

[silent cairn]

An EP can be put with Clancy.

[weak swallow]

because a double album would have all of clancy + new songs

an ep would be the same and same with a single

[silent cairn]

A deluxe album would make other copies obsolete.

[weak swallow]

whatever comes next, if it has a physical edition, will make all clancy copies obsolete

[lean mango]

Yea, bear in mind, even if this is the final confrontation (which I don't think it has to be), that could still span 2-3 songs with lore videos

[sly hazel]

Well that's kinda how deluxe versions work

It's just a common thing in the music industry

[lean mango]

And not every song even on lore albums are heavily lore-based

[silent cairn]

I hope any additional tracks are spread out over the era.

[rain birch]

same

[silent cairn]

A track next month, then another one or two later this year, and then one or two next year.

[lean mango]

Eh, it's different if a deluxe album contains the finale of the album as intended

I can't think of examples of that

[sly hazel]

Id almost prefer if June 25th was the start of a literal secondary album roll out

[weak swallow]

this wouldn’t have been a problem if they didn’t make 14 music videos lol

[sly hazel]

Like a legit part 2 album rather than deluxe version

[green night]

im thinking they know what theyre doing

[lean mango]

This is my thinking. And if it's part 2, the story still ends on Clancy in some way

[green night]

they know exactly what theyre teasing and if they were to make a really bad marketing move wouldnt the label intervene?

[weak swallow]

no

that’s the worst part

[lean mango]

Depends

[weak swallow]

if there is no single no ep no deluxe no album

[lean mango]

They're not really at fault if they're teasing something and people misunderstand it as being for something else

We can't say they lied or mislead us

[weak swallow]

the label wouldn’t just say “oh there’s nothing”

[weak swallow]

people will anyway

[rain birch]

can someone tell me why in sai theres a double album theory too?

[weak swallow]

if there isn’t anything then people will be incredibly disappointed and blame it on the band

[lean mango]

I think it's because he mentioned working on two albums at once

[weak swallow]

people didn’t like sai

[rain birch]

oh yeah i remember that

[green night]

i mean that the label knows if theyre releasing an album in a month so wouldnt they try to stop them if theyre doing shit?

[cloud lynx]

this time they are actively teasing smth, whatever it is

they want us to know smth is coming

[weak swallow]

he said another album would come sooner than the previous ones but never that the album would come out at the same time as sai

[cloud lynx]

yet, Clancy was released so much later

(i'm still glad we got it tho)

[weak swallow]

that’s my main reasoning behind thinking that other album was scrapped

and i think if there is any other album, it will just be a continuation of more clancy era music

[lean mango]

Wow, I finally just got the Digital Remains email

[green night]

oh also

tyler was personally affected by how sai was badly received

they have to know what theyre doing

they dont want the community to hate them if people already hated on sai

[weak swallow]

i think if there isn’t any new music

the label will just see all this hype as a good thing

[green night]

they dont really seem that anxious or nervous tho

[cloud lynx]

they know they're teasing us new music

like

[weak swallow]

because they must be confident that whatever they’re releasing will satisfy people

[cloud lynx]

by now they probably know a lot of us think it might be new music

[weak swallow]

even if it’s not new music

but maybe that isn’t the case

[green night]

ye

nah they definitely know we think that new music is coming

[cloud lynx]

they even added fuel to this when it started to get some following

[fallow violet]

i just remembered what tyler said when they were teasing loc arg

[weak swallow]

and people will just be disappointed with whatever it is

[green night]

they check this discord

[fallow violet]

he specifically clarified its not new music to not lead us on

[green night]

idk i wouldnt be disappointed

[cloud lynx]

this time they ADDED to it when we started to get the first clues and more people were thinking "new music"
they literally teased us even more

[fallow violet]

they know what theyre doing

[weak swallow]

they 100% do so they must be very confident if it’s not new music

[fallow violet]

yeah no me neither!!

[green night]

im happy with the album so if we get a beefy mv im cool with that, if we get new music im very cool with that, if we dont well thats a shame but we still have clancy so who cares

[lean mango]

Damn, true, didn't think about this

[green night]

yeah they def are

[cloud lynx]

oh yeah i wouldn't either, bc i know smth is coming eitherway, whatever it is (also Clancy is awesome)
it just smells like new music lmao

[lean mango]

That's my stance too

I love Clancy and will keep coming back to it

[fallow violet]

yeah i think most of us are on the same page

[lean mango]

Even if there's a whole second album I'll still have Clancy on repeat

[fallow violet]

i know many people are worried about this overshading the songs

but i definitely dont feel that way. i am constantly streaming these songs and thinking about them

[lean mango]

Tbh from a record label perspective that's a genuine concern

[cloud lynx]

i think a second album might include the first one on streaming platforms?

[lean mango]

But from a listener perspective, especially among fans, I don't think there's any need to worry

[lean mango]

That would be cool

[weak swallow]

like how the livestream version of sai has normal sai first

[fallow violet]

maybe thats why it could happen in 2025

[mellow stratus]

realest thing I’ve seen all day

[lean mango]

I just don't think 2025 makes much sense personally

[rain birch]

is there any artist that release deluxe album 1 year after?

[weak swallow]

they’ve definitely teased 6/25 multiple times

[green night]

yes

[lean mango]

Hype would definitely start to die down by then, but even if not, why would they tease it if they're teasing an entire year?

[green night]

ik at least one

[rain birch]

who?

[green night]

nothing but thieves

[lean mango]

They might as well not say anything yet

Foster The People released a 10 year deluxe album

[green night]

twice actually

[fallow violet]

he tweeted his new tweet on minute 25

[lean mango]

But that's kinda different, it's an anniversary edition

[fallow violet]

is he fucking with us at this point

[rain birch]

because its deluxe?

[rain birch]

okay

[lean mango]

I'd think they wouldn't make a teaser then, at least not until soon before

It doesn't really do much to say "coming in 2025"

[green night]

i think its a continuation of clancy

[lean mango]

Because we can't do anything with that info, it just tells us we have to wait, probably a long time, until we see more

[green night]

if its still clancy the hype wouldnt die

[weak swallow]

the only reason why hype hasn’t died for previous albums was the mv coming out months after

[lean mango]

Let's be real, the clique will be hyped for any TOP album no matter when

And even more so if it's the true end to the story

[green night]

oh also

i think its interesting how in the live stream i think, tyler talked in a way that makes it seem like the album is for us

[weak swallow]

if we don’t get the ending soon then clancy will be more of a “filler” album that sai was

[green night]

its not just an album he puts out, its an album for us, the community

maybe there is indeed a second album and maybe its a risky move for the label but maybe he knows the community will love it (not the corporation) and thats why hes still confident in doing this

[fallow violet]

like

[rain birch]

I think because they want the rollout of this story, that have lasted 9 years, become longer, they can release 1 mv every 3 month

[tall lodge]

have they told us they werent teasing new music yet?

[rain birch]

whats the tweet about?

[fallow violet]

its from when they were teasing loc arg

[teal compass]

the loc arg

[rain birch]

oh okay

[teal compass]

people were freaking out about a potential album at the end

[lean mango]

No, not so far

[storm fable]

We are once again freaking out about a new album, and if anything tyler has been teasing us more

[fallow violet]

yeah i liked that he tweeted that but some people still didnt believe it 😭

[lean mango]

Someone should tweet @ him with this quoted and just ask him to confirm it's not new music if it isn't

[cloud lynx]

the worst is that, this time instead of telling us, when the theory restarted to gain a following bc of some clues and stuff, they added even more to the fire, like they wanna fuck with us

they KNOW what they're doing and they see us theorizing about it

[tall lodge]

So then im hoping thbis would be something like trench (im literally ||fucking|| praying that there is a song like PC or NG on the ep) [ assuming there is an ep ]

[lean mango]

Tbh, wouldn't be surprised if that whole thing gave him the idea of a double album

[fallow violet]

yeah. like there is no reason to feel bad about these more music theories. they arent stupid they know what they are doing

[tall lodge]

ok so why is tyler x'ing so much? Like uhm, hello?

definitely lore chat

[rain birch]

the double album teases is more exciting that the clancy rollout lmao

[tall lodge]

ong tho

[cloud lynx]

bc if that happens that'll mean even more music to this wonderful album

[storm fable]

Im really worried I'm gonna hype myself up for nothing though

[tall lodge]

yea but like, we took the risk with clancy, why not take this risk?

[cloud lynx]

if we're onto nothing, i think he'll tell us soon (and i think he would've already told us tbf)

[tall lodge]

like with the fake accounts situation. Like that account from the beginning of the era

[lean mango]

I won't be too disappointed if it doesn't happen

Tbh I expect nothing until there's definite confirmation

[cloud lynx]

oh yeah, people shouldn't be disappointed, plus they're still cooking smth

[tall lodge]

yeah, we did get a very good album and some pretty good merch, + a massive tour. so like clikkies get a W either way.

[mortal glen]

follow up theory:
would this mean that because SAI is bandito propaganda, that maybe Clancy is also propaganda? If we’re talking about a double album then it makes sense to connect Clancy to SAI. Propaganda is not directly from the banditos but from Clancy himself?

[lean mango]

What I should say is, I won't be disappointed, I've been a Hollow Knight fan for 7 years

[storm fable]

Agree with every point but the merch lol,
I loved the pop up shop merch,
But the merch for the era has been rough

[tall lodge]

im talking about the records and the box's, from before the hoodies n shit released.

Literally was fire

[storm fable]

Oh yeah fr, the journal was a sick idea too

[tall lodge]

i am curious how the exclusive tour merch will look like (think icy tour hoodies)

[storm fable]

I hope we get a red/yellow tie dye or something

[tall lodge]

heres to hoping 🤞

[rain birch]

i really want that long thing that have clancy name for merch

[tall lodge]

i also believe there is gonna be ep/deluxe because: aint no way they scrapped an entire album they had 4 years to tidy up.

like i get it if its true but, thats way to sus.

[cloud lynx]

not Tyler fucking with us even more
#verified-theorists message

[tall lodge]

tyler literally is playing chess while were playing chutes and ladders

[cinder axle]

I feel bad expecting a whole new album because this one has had so much work put into it 😩

[trail vigil]

Yeah, I don't want them thinking our theorizing is ungratefulness—what they've given us is already incredible

[lean mango]

I don't think they'll take it that way. They're pretty in-tune with the clique response, and I'm sure they'll see all the love we're giving Clancy too

[trail vigil]

It's outperforming SAI on the charts so I bet they like that

[fallow violet]

i trust that they’re not stupid and know what putting out these hints after ending an album like that would spark in our brains

[trail vigil]

Fair

[fallow violet]

i don’t think we have to feel bad

[cloud lynx]

clinging toooooooo
🥁 🥁 🥁 🥁
promiseeeeeeeeeeeees

🦅

[trail vigil]

That about sums it up

[cinder axle]

Two in question as a lyric or a hint? who knows

[burnt scarab]

well

they know we are cooking with 25

too many coincidences

and then the 25 confirmed today with the thing

so

yeah

the best comment

[lean mango]

The purple logo is a nice touch

[river orbit]

idk if someone mentioned this already

[slate jewel]

yea

[olive plume]

only thing that makes me 🤨 about this being a 2025 release is why are they hyping it up Now if it comes out a year from now? that feels like weird timing

but june 25th on the other hand…

[burnt scarab]

what if the last Clancy letter gets released on March 25th

not marxh

June

[pliant stag]

double album

[glad oar]

Thought i’d share this here too

for those of you in this thread who don’t read theories

[brave spade]

the one for nico and the niners was made after blurryface. not exactly sure abt ordering before the mv tho but mind you they’ve been filming since november at least so it makes sense why the kit wasn’t made before as some of the artistic concept might’ve not been put out yet

i wouldn’t go too deep into this ngl i feel like it’s stabbing at rocks atp. i mean it’s like when people were theorizing about the yellow tape on joshs cymbals. like he said it’s close to the art work on clancy

here’s more on the kit that i recorded from sjcs insta

[storm fable]

Yeah i'm probably reading too far into it,
Just suspiscous that it was still being finished too, but could just be for normal reasons

[static sinew]

i just also think its weird josh didnt pull any of his other red kits out of storage

like why specifically THAT blurryface era kit w the alien heads

[trail igloo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/s/3TjZqjE68r

[storm fable]

spent forever looking at this earlier,
turns out it was just this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX90ZLuvbOQ

[brave spade]

probably the least used in the cycle like the one they used from the quiet is violent tour in next semester.

[brave spade]

Its a very popular company, Josh is still just another customer with them. He may get priority if they go on tour like next month but for now he's gotta wait like everyone else that buys from them

[trail igloo]

Oh…

[raven lagoon]

Petition to remove "Probably not" from this thread title

[weak swallow]

double album still unlikely

ep/single more likely, deluxe being the most probable thing

[silent cairn]

If we get anymore it will be a direct continuation of Clancy, unlike going from SAI to Clancy.

[weak swallow]

which would make sense with how theyve said clancy is the last album in the story

[silent cairn]

Yep.

[weak swallow]

theyve never outright lied to us, just omitted facts that dont give us the full picture

[static sinew]

deluxe is more likely than ep/single since itll count towards album sales

[weak swallow]

yeah i just use ep and deluxe interchangeably even though theyre not the same thing whoops

[storm ether]

yeah and probably reasonably similar sonically

the biggest change would probably more OC-like songs (I hope???)

[lime carbon]

Okay so, idk if u saw

But at the end of ps, the “hello clancy” is at exactly 6:25

[storm ether]

AHHHHH

[static sinew]

ooooooo

i think the weird pauses in the birds chirping is weird

like they couldve had the birds be as long as they want

[lime carbon]

Yuh yuh yuh

[fair dirge]

I would say it's more 6:24

So idk if it means anything

[lean mango]

It ends at 6:25

just barely

[grizzled zephyr]

Can anyone explain where we got the number 25 for 6/25 or 2025

[pale harness]

the code in the FPE pop-up museum

&

we've seen a lot of mentions on the number 25

[lean mango]

ye, many places

I think there's enough cases of 6 being with it to make 6/25 by far the most likely interpretation

particularly if we're counting the recent social media stuff

[zinc pendant]

remember that for the verified test ‼️

[grizzled zephyr]

i dont wanna ask too many qustions but, verified test? the only thing i can think about is the codes for the level of concern video

[pale harness]

in order to get access to the #verified-theorists channel, you need to pass a quiz with the Nico bot to showcase your knowledge of lore things

[grizzled zephyr]

oh i see

[zinc pendant]

also for legal reasons, idk if it is in test or not

[wraith gulch]

Dema on fire

[lean mango]

Ok, so putting this together, most likely the intended interpretation is that Dema burns on 6/25

Whatever that entails

I have another huge theory drop coming whenever I can get to my computer and type properly

[fair dirge]

Everything is cool but why Isaiah?

[trail vigil]

Kinda what I was wondering too

[wicked pagoda]

Sure 🤨

[wraith gulch]

I just searched Google for 47:14 verses and that was the first thing that came up and seemed very relevant

[wicked pagoda]

This is the kings James version

Different meaning which is weird

[lean mango]

King James is generally a less accurate translation

Ok, so I think I've pieced together everything we've gotten so far, and I think I understand what we're getting on 6/25, and exactly why

just have to decide whether to drop it here or #verified-theorists

[wicked pagoda]

I just thought it was interesting. Cause there was a theory that Tyler was giving up and that they were gonna lose.

So this kinda backs that

[lean mango]

Idk if it does tbh, in the broader context, Isaiah is making a prophecy about the downfall of Babylon, which is keeping the Jewish people captive

seems to me to directly connect to the fall of Dema and release of the captive people there

[wicked pagoda]

Oh I see. That makes sense now.

[static sinew]

47:14 could also be album 2's runtime

it fits perfectly on 1 vinyl disc

and is similar in length to clancy 1

[lean mango]

Check out #verified-theorists message if you want to see my thoughts

but at this point I'm nearly 100% on the double album theory

I think it's what has been set up since Blurryface

[ember sinew]

It’s a pretty good theory man, can’t comment on the verified theorists sub but it’s really great

[buoyant minnow]

idk why everyone straight up ignored you lmao. i cant comment on that forum because i cant decode the whatever the fuck that is, but your points are extremely valid

[lean mango]

it was addressed to some degree

[fallow violet]

time to be delusional but

[lean mango]

I might make a separate thread for it, I also posted at a time when a separate conversation was happening

[lean mango]

LMAO

oh wait

damn

why the heck does it say beef though

[fallow violet]

like whys there just random letters that happen to say beef fr

[cloud lynx]

25 6 yet again

[buoyant minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-slap-that-meat-salt-bae-gif-7897765

[cloud lynx]

beef

[fallow violet]

two Es means double album bef is 256 there ugo🤡

[cloud lynx]

he's gonna have beef with the bishops

a barbecue with them

[lean mango]

Btw, Another thing I didn't really mention was the meaning behind Leave The City. He's talked before about how it was dealing with a crisis in his faith, but didn't explain exactly what it meant. One interpretation is that staying in the city is a metaphor for keeping his faith, and leaving is walking away from it, but in context I don't think that's accurate. He mentioned that he had no idea where he was going to end up, whether that was with or without his faith. (AKA, the final destination once he leaves the city)

[fallow violet]

also since i finally have someones attention pls explain this to me like im five #verified-theorists message

[cloud lynx]

i wish i could write over there

[fallow violet]

just say whatever u want in here hsjfshf

[lean mango]

I think staying in the city is staying in the "in-between" where he doesn't know where he'll end up, and therefore he's limited. He mostly expresses uncertainty and insecurity in the meantime

[lean mango]

IDK what this means

[fallow violet]

ive been trying to find if there is any connection to the 120-95 thing with this because i am clancy prodigal son is literally the replacement lyric for "from 120 to 95" but i cant find anything. and the styling of that sentence is weird as fuck

[lean mango]

could just be another way of writing it for some reason

do you have a link to the 120-95 thing again?

So, the syllables for that don't 100% line up

or rather, they end at a weird place

[lean mango]

I'm not sure if they're intended to be alternate lyrics, or just something relevant to the lyrics

one way you could intepret it is equality

[fallow violet]

hm depends how you read 120 tho

"i am clancy" "from one twenty"

lines up

[lean mango]

If you can't see, I am Clancy, prodigal son, done running = When the beat switched from 120 to 95 I came alive

in which case, maybe Clancy's identity, and his identity as a prodigal son returned, can be summed up with this beat switch

under my theory, this means Clancy's return coincides with his choice to make a musical change that shakes up people's expectations or ideas of what conventional music would do

[left kite]

I really like this

[lean mango]

or, as a more simple interpretation, maybe Clancy is a representation of Tyler's creativity

In the same way as Trash and Ned both are, but they're all different facets

[fallow violet]

from one twenty to ninety five is exactly the same amount of syllables (8) as i am clancy prodigal son

[lean mango]

Clancy is his creativity in a pure, straightforward sense, while Ned could be more like his inspiration

[fallow violet]

yeah i like that!!

[left kite]

I totally agree with more overtly religious music too. I feel like Clancy is already going it that direction, and with the way the story seems to be wrapping up, I think they're gonna almost have to to explain the story right

[fallow violet]

but also like the 120-95 thing is 25 related. could i am clancy prodigal son also be related to whatever 25 is

[lean mango]

Under my theory, he could either go in a more overtly religious direction, or walk away from faith entirely, but given the direction of Clancy, I think a return to more expression of his faith in his music is probably more likely

I don't think he walked away, and I think he's come to terms with it more over the past few years

[fallow violet]

the syllables match and the styling on that photo with the : and - is sus

[lean mango]

That's what I get from Clancy anyway

And I personally think the Torchbearer character is partly a stand-in for his faith

One thing I do think has always been true of their music though, and I think will continue to be true, is he tries to make his music so it can resonate with anyone

Even when his songs deal heavily with his personal faith, he tries to make them so they can have additional interpretations for people who aren't religious

without tainting the core meaning behind them

[trail sand]

This title needs to be updated lol

[lean mango]

MAJOR POSSIBILITY PROBABLY YES

not cope I swear

[fair dirge]

Sounds good

Maybe too good

I'm afraid it won't happen

I would really like to hear some new sounds
not like routines in the night or sth

[cloud lynx]

nah i think there's a high probability tbh

at least non-null

[fair dirge]

He didn't

Sorry for that Voldemort not my photo

[cedar cradle]

That shirt wasn’t in the Sydney shop I don’t think, or it sold out when I got there

[real field]

Wait where did you find this

[wraith gulch]

This is the thank you section of the album notes booklet

[real field]

Oh, sorry for my ignorance but where can I get the booklet? Does it come with something?

[olive plume]

the CD for sure. maybe the vinyl but i’m not positive on that

[real field]

Ah ok gotcha gotcha

Ty!

[tall lodge]

The vinyl Comes with it too

[cerulean bridge]

GUYS, i think i found smth, green is the stuff we alr know, but blue is a C, and I think a 1

lemme know if i'm delusional or not lol

Also, it'd be kinda sad, kinda funny is 6/25 is just the day the PS mv comes out...

it IS in june...

[teal compass]

the fact they said early june for paladin makes me think its definitely something else

even being generous and assuming "early" june to be the first half of the month the 25th is still so far in

almost as late june as you could get

[cerulean bridge]

thats tru...i forgot it said early, mb 🙂

hopefully it is a double!!

[boreal wedge]

I think it says Deep 😂

Could the 25 possibly mean 25 songs? (I'm hopeful) And Deep is another song name?

[polar sundial]

Might be a little late to this, but a lot of the songs on the album have the number two either mentioned or just visually used, like in the overcompensate mv. Could be two albums, could be a hint, but it’s definitely something I can’t stop thinking about

[fallow violet]

the last letter is definitely an F but the first one is almost impossible to see

[hallow badger]

I think it says beef

it can only mean one thing

TB Saga part 2

[ripe arch]

i think its just letters like noting parts of a building

d e (e) f

like exits or windows idk

[cedar yacht]

Yall cooked

Double album for sure

[slate jewel]

imagine it doesn't happen and we're all delusional

[real field]

I feel like there will be some kind of deluxe album with a couple extra songs

At the least

[slate jewel]

there's Something on the 25th

[warm crescent]

it’s actually just spelling my name

[wraith gulch]

def is lore confirmed

[static sinew]

i mean thats how i felt about 229

[cedar cradle]

voldsoy album cover idea

[storm ether]

I like that idea

[odd cargo]

where is josh

[cedar cradle]

He’s fake

[odd cargo]

stop

[cedar cradle]

No literally it was a choice to have him not appear if you put the sleeve over the album cover

[lean mango]

That's a cool touch

[cloud lynx]

only the non-bandito one

the original bandito Josh is real

[cedar cradle]

Ye

[cloud lynx]

it's so funny that people already theorized that this Josh wasn't real

and literally one of the arguments was that he teleports everywhere and puts his drums in the most improbable places

😂

i'm kinda glad that they acknowledged that

[cedar cradle]

It’s just drummer magic wdym

[visual elm]

Could be the last video here is the first song on the secret album, at the risk of falling

[storm ether]

that's a blooper reel from at the risk of feeling dumb

mark confirmed

[visual elm]

Ah nice

[barren saffron]

You don’t know me, but I know you (I am also Mormon)

[left kite]

What?

[barren saffron]

They’re using the ChurchOfJesusChrist.org Bible interface, which is run by the LDS (mainline Mormon) Church lol

I’d recognize it anywhere

They use an idiosyncratic font that only exists on that website.

Just making a point of connection is all

[left kite]

Ahhhh okay lol that makes sense

[wicked pagoda]

Haha you caught me

[fair dirge]

GUYS

LAST TWEET

[sinful reef]

"this is just the beginning of bringing this record to life."

[olive plume]

I KNOWWWW

[left kite]

https://x.com/mps_films/status/1796609956537565278?t=5yp15pVihwisoChRlaUyHA&s=19

calebiguess (@mps_films) on X

@tylerrjoseph Thanks tyler, can we get confirmation there's no double album tho? People are getting their hopes up and I don't want them to be disappointed. (also I know you're seeing this, which means if you dont interact with this tweet you're confirming there IS a double album coming👹)

Twitter · May 31, 2024, 6:29 PM

[fallow violet]

by now he mustve seen people clowning double album/more music in general

i truly believe he would say something if our hopes went too high

[olive plume]

he must see the double album/deluxe album stuff. he brought up how he would confirm if something Wasn’t music during the LOC ARG stuff so surely he’ll say something else if it wasn’t more music

[warm crescent]

it’d be funny if 6/25 comes around and he just shoots down the double album rumor on the 24th just to spite us

[fallow violet]

totally could LMAO

or right before they premiere paladin mv

[raven lagoon]

I don't wanna be a downer, but I feel like Nalbis has a point. He's probably talking about touring. I'm still a double album believer regardless

[lean mango]

I don't think he'd just be referring to touring tbh

touring is something they always do, and it's always cool and special

i mean, it could be that

actually, we know for sure it's not just that because of the 6/25 thing

and the Paladin MV if nothing else

[fallow violet]

yeah i replied to tylers tweet with "bringing these songs to life on tour" im sure he meant that. its a very general statement that could apply to more things tho

i think more than anything this tweet is just another proof of why he would tweet something like he did before loc arg

[lean mango]

if he really wanted to troll, he could come out with a statement like "Don't get your expectations up too much, you never know what is or isn't going to happen. But I won't confirm or deny the double album theory, I want you guys to keep theorizing"

[cloud lynx]

tbh i think he wouldn't

he would just not say anything or he'd just like a few tweets in an ambiguous (or not) manner

or yeah maybe he could tweet smth to troll us, but more subtly i think

but tbh i'm also a film believer

i think the ultimate chapter most probably is still based on music

but during the era we also might get a movie

[fallow violet]

i think the pre LOC arg tweet is worded perfectly like he didnt outright say no new music guys but he did point towards it

[cloud lynx]

yeah he just said that the arg itself didn't lead to new music

which was correct, technically

as for his recent tweet, i think he would've directly denied the double album, if smth of that kind wasn't planned

instead of vaguely teasing smth, knowing a lot of people are thinking double album

also an EP feels unprobable, bc it'd be another record

while a double/deluxe album could still be associated with Clancy part 1 and just count as another version

[lean mango]

Depends on branding for both

Also I think it'd be funny if he just responds to Caleb's tweet with "nice try"

[cloud lynx]

fair!

[teal compass]

I think they 100% know about the double album theories at this point and are still continuing to fuck with us and tease us with it which is weird

They always keep their finger on the pulse of the fanbases opinion VERY closely and have responded to false information spreading among fans in less than 6 hours before

[cloud lynx]

fr!!

[cloud lynx]

.

i've said it numerous time, and sorry for repeating myself, but that is suspicious lol

i'm afraid of getting my expectations too high tbh, but at the same time they actively lead us to it
i can't blame y'all nor i can blame myself

[rain birch]

if ultimus capitulus isnt a new music, i dont think they will tease it like this (in fan premiere exhibit & digital remains)

[cloud lynx]

he would've made another tweet like during the LOC arg

basically saying "sry guys it's not gonna be new music, but smth is on its way <3"

instead of, yet again teasing us and fucking with us 😭

[rain birch]

btw i just realized when sai released theres 2 post in the sampe spot

my theory is, when the deluxe comes out, they will have a smile photo

((I’m reaching))

[lean mango]

I don't think they'll come out and say it until after the Paladin MV

[olive plume]

which they’ll announce tomorrow and release on the 7th

[tall lodge]

We’re being ||edged|| by this band istg

[fading pewter]

Freaky pilots

[cloud lynx]

twenty one freakies

[warm crescent]

[cloud lynx]

twenty freaky pilots

[fading pewter]

Wheres the last one

got edged to death damn

[cloud lynx]

idk

[cedar cradle]

Gang what did nalbis say

[fallow violet]

that tylers comment about how "this is just the beginning of bringing this record to life" just means tour. because people were side eyeing it in the same way as "does this sound like the end?"

[cedar cradle]

Ah I see

I thought nalbis quit or whatever

Quit the clique

[fallow violet]

nah hes around

[lean mango]

I feel like I've said this a lot already, but like

Why would he make 2 separate teasers for something we already know is happening?

If people take these as hints about the tour

[fallow violet]

yeah i was thinking the same thing

[lean mango]

And 7+ if they think it's the Paladin MV

[fallow violet]

there's like zero chance all they're teasing is only the paladin mv

[cedar cradle]

Why would they announce the tour again on the 25th haha

Maybe they’re announcing a self titled or rab remake

[lean mango]

That wouldn't count as "bringing this record to life" (clancy) IMO

[cedar cradle]

What was bringing this record to life referring to

[fair dirge]

But why would they do that

[cedar cradle]

Since rab doesn’t exist and self titled he’s potential if it’s redone

[fair dirge]

They could do this anytime

Then why now

When the story isn't over and ultimus capitulus is on the way

[cedar cradle]

What even is clsncy final chapter 25 tho

[lean mango]

We don't know yet

[fair dirge]

I mean it still would be great but I expect (dream) something bigger

[cedar cradle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1d52ec0/the_instagram_post_has_a_whole_different_version/

ok this could just be a live version tbf, but ngl i could totally see this playing in the final track of the second album

[lean mango]

It's not a different version, just stems, unless it's different from what I saw earlier

Common when they share tour footage and bts

[light chasm]

The paladin spotify visual seems strange rn

[storm fable]

Like different than before? i don't have spotify so i can't check

[zinc pendant]

It's like this for me

[storm fable]

Isn't that just the visualizer from the mv placeholder though?

[warm crescent]

yup

[zinc pendant]

Yeah, it is just it

[pale harness]

I had a dream where an insider confirmed the double album

must be true now

[static sinew]

i had a dream we got a deluxe w two more songs and the last song was called the snowmen

so

[trail igloo]

Is there want like anagram that can be made from paladin strait

[cedar cradle]

i had a dream where clancy actually released

[trail igloo]

I think the album comes out next year and there will be a new tour called inferno tour, like how blurryface tour become emotional roadshow

[rain birch]

imagine after clancy tour, the new tour called the final tour

[static sinew]

i figured the dema tour or something like that

[trail igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-i-dont-need-sleep-i-need-it-gif-20600532

[cloud lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rsKAO9pzNw

[fading pewter]

What if theyre gonn pull an mcr :(

[static sinew]

theyve already said they wont

[odd cargo]

i had a dream rab remaster

[slate jewel]

me too joe, me too

[light chasm]

It kept cutting out to black for me

[warm citrus]

literally

[livid pine]

been lurking here for awhile. all great stuff but i wanted to comment on the hypothetical release times. it wouldn’t make sense for the album to drop in 2025 because that would be post-tour or during tour and would block them from setting up to continue playing live for a little while because then they’d have a rollout to worry about. it would either (ideally) be on or shortly after june 25th as this is pre-tour and it could still tie in with clancy. definitely a doable timetable as they could have music for the true “lore heavy” sequel to trench (not in the camp of people that wants it to be identical to trench, im just talking in terms of the amount of lore) because it took them a year to work on this album and also a year to work on SAI i believe. outside of touring that definitely leaves time to work on something big. the other option would be clancy having a standard cycle and it just be a transitionary album into something 2-3 years from now, which i honestly doubt. that also wouldn’t make it a double album. i believe if we are getting music, it will be pretty soon.

[raven lagoon]

I agree. He also said in the Zane interview "1 more record", so either it's a double one very soon or deluxe imo

[lean mango]

The SAI Zane interview?

I'm still personally of the opinion that they never originally intended to make Clancy, and the idea is relatively recent

[raven lagoon]

https://youtu.be/MiOAyO8zWdo?t=2632 Here it is

[cloud lynx]

they said it was the "final record", so i suppose the most we can have (within those terms) is a part 2 album that will still count under the "Clancy" brand

also they want to move on from the Dema story, after this era

btw, between OC and the release of Clancy, 3 months have passed, and also we're already in June, the 6th month of the year
they've had 5-6 more months since the beginning of the year
i won't say 7 bc it supposedly will come out the 25th (or in August), and i assume artists finish their records well before their release
but that's still quite some time to finalize/polish a second album, if it was already very well advanced

plus they also worked on some album (other than SAI) even before SAI was released, and supposedly also after i guess
and it was already half finished or smth like that

they also had time to find ideas and develop the album during the SAI tours
i know it's not the same to make an album on tour and not on tour, but i know Tyler still does stuff and maybe even write songs, during tours

i'm just summarizing a bunch of time-related reasons i think a double album might be reasonable

[livid pine]

oh yeah totally agree! if anything, it lends itself to the idea that any further music would come sooner rather than later, to tie in with everything

[livid pine]

THIS people have been talking about how promotion in this era has been clearly lacking. yes they have been busy with videos but clearly most of that was editing, as a lot of these videos were clearly shot in the winter. yes editing and whatnot, but clearly the plan to make a bunch of videos came relatively early on

plus the prospect that they wanted to drop all of these videos on the same day. post-album singles draw out an era, which they clearly aren't doing with (this portion? of) clancy. could all be massive cope and i love clancy as it is, but ive never believed in a double album until now and its all making a little too much sense

[cloud lynx]

little pieces already coming together :)

stuff will make even more sense whenever the big thing gets released

[fallow violet]

god i need paladin strait mv to be out so bad some peoples takes are starting to piss me off i need to log off

i get not jumping on any theories and getting your hopes up but man do some people just really like to ignore the fact they are clearly teasing us with something besides the paladin mv

[sudden steppe]

well it's officially early june now and it can't come out over halfway through june

so realistically it could be any day now after today but before june 15

[lean mango]

Fr

[fallow violet]

like why am i being gaslit by a redditor that clancy ultimus capitulus 25 is just actually only about paladin mv. literally nothing suggests that if anything we are all delusional at this point because why do some people act like they know better than others. just let people theorize damn

[sly hazel]

Yeah honestly I hate that people genuinely don't understand what is going on

do people think the 25th is "early June"?
do they just not know that 25 is a thing?

[sudden steppe]

clancy ultimus capitulus 25 is clearly referring to an upcoming twenty one pilots official novel in which clancy dies in chapter 25 /j

[fallow violet]

i think they just purposefully ignore the 25 at this point and think its gonna show up in paladin mv somehow

which thats just as delusional as a double album at this point but okay

[sudden steppe]

2025 👺

[fallow violet]

preorders drop june 25th

[glacial fulcrum]

Twenty five pilots

[fallow violet]

on top of the tower suddenly 25 pilots are gonna be summoned and the final battle will be anime styled rap battle of real slim shady

[sly hazel]

there's going to be 25 literal planes flying around the tower shooting at Nico

[glacial fulcrum]

Also to clarify something, if the 6/25 refers to June 25th, that doesn't necessarily confirm anything about the number of tracks on a hypothetical double album right? Because anything could potentially happen on that date

Oh but also the 11 letter tweet I just remembered, that would add up to the 14 tracks we have

So yeah

[sly hazel]

yeah there's not really any evidence of what is actually going to happen on the 25th
That 11 character tweet from Tyler is legit like the only thing we have to go off

[glacial fulcrum]

My reaction

[fallow violet]

i mean yeah correct. unless we get some more info for that it could still be anything

but I think we will know after paladin premieres or they at least drop more teases

[sly hazel]

I still think that theory is missing a catch
I don't think they'd put two versions of The Craving into a deluxe album or something, instead I think it'd be really cool if we got the audio from the I Am Clancy video that then blended into OC to open the album

[lean mango]

There's also the 11 matching dots on the FPE sign

[glacial fulcrum]

Haha that would be sick

Go full concept album mode I beg

[fallow violet]

I honestly refrain from that tyler tweet theory but if it turns out to be right Im gonna laugh so bad like he would actually be insane for that

[sly hazel]

I agree with that
I think the theory is so crazy but honestly it's exactly something I'd expect him to do

[lean mango]

I don't buy it so far, like, why would he tease it that way of all ways? It's pretty impossible to confirm except in hindsight

Biggest issue with that theory for me is

[glacial fulcrum]

Haidkbsndodosodycbd owdihbebskdyhs <- do NOT analyse this guys it DOESNT have to do with lore

[teal compass]

Reddit clique hates the storyline for no reason it’s weird, there’s a strange air of superiority among a lot of people there who say the lore doesn’t matter and the music comes first as if Tyler isn’t literally the one choosing to tell a story through his music, it’s such a weird vibe there and part of why I transitioned into mainly being on discord instead of Reddit

[lean mango]

The 2nd album would be their 6th counting from Vessel like they usually do

I feel like he couldn't resist making it 25 total

[glacial fulcrum]

True Reddit was really annoying to deal with 😭 that's why I'm here as well lolol

[lean mango]

And I doubt he'd count both versions of The Craving

[fallow violet]

yeah it does sound like a reach so far but it's something we can keep it mind. but I wouldn't base my prediction off of it, if i were even to tell someone about the double album theory I dont think I would mention it as off right now

[teal compass]

People on the Reddit act like the fanbase is somehow forcing Tyler to tell a story he doesn’t want to instead of him presenting us a story he felt he needed to tell

[glacial fulcrum]

Clancy 2: the Squeakuel

[lean mango]

Then there's the Reddit people saying the lore is stupid and the band should've never started it

[fallow violet]

thank god i didnt go that deep into reddit because holy fuck

[glacial fulcrum]

I think it's genuinely one of the most hype things a modern band has done lolol

[fallow violet]

😭 that's just annoying

[glacial fulcrum]

I love the lore!

[lean mango]

Like, it's one of the biggest things setting TOP apart from everyone else

[glacial fulcrum]

Even just the vibes are awesome, it gives music videos promotional stuff and shows a whole extra layer of depth that's just fun to look at

[lean mango]

Makes it really special

[warm crescent]

not even respecting the lore is a red flag ngl

it adds a deeper layer to each record that a lot of albums don’t have

[fallow violet]

people who hate the lore are so silly to me because like. you can totally still enjoy the band without it so why are you complaining? if you don't like that aspect then it's just not for you? it's for others?

[sudden steppe]

yeah

[lean mango]

Hey, could someone get the keymash letters again?

[sudden steppe]

i feel like adihgrtnsnd is way too specific to be a keymash

[fallow violet]

the reply is so funny to me he just made it worse for himself

also aged badly dOes tHIs sOUnd liKE thE eND?

[teal compass]

Yeah the same people who complain about “why do lore fan only pay attention to the dema story and try to force every lyric to be lore” are also ignoring half the bands artistry by ignoring the storyline? Doing the same thing they complain about lore fans doing and don’t even realize it

[sudden steppe]

yeah the lore is symbolic of so many things and they just choose to ignore it because it has characters

[sly hazel]

I'm looking at that keymash and tryna figure out how he did it

[sudden steppe]

i just typed it really fast and it is definitely unlikely to have been a keymash

way too awkward clustering on the fingers in some spots

[teal compass]

There’s a lot of “this song is lore” or “this song is absolutely not lore” arguments too, Reddit gets very set in determining what’s lore and not instead of realizing all the songs are both lore and not lore because the lore is an allegory for Tyler’s own struggles and tells the same story about the music

[sly hazel]

I can kinda get close but it's such a weird set of letters

[fallow violet]

yeah the irony of that is fascinating. especially when tyler has said time and time again that those who get the lore are the fans that "get it the most" he basically described it in interviews that it's like talking the same language

[teal compass]

Tyler loves double meanings in his songs and almost all of them contain multiple layers, sometimes he just throws in random lore references in non lore songs too like chlorine or backslide

[fair dirge]

Why

[sudden steppe]

long enough ago for him to get a haircut in snap back

[fallow violet]

im trying it too and yeah honestly kinda weird LOL

[teal compass]

Yeah I remember an interview where he was describing trench as wanting to have enough layers so like, as deep as a fan wanted to dig into it they’re gonna keep finding new layers of meaning and hidden things, and if you don’t wanna dig into it you just don’t have to? Their music is entirely enjoyable with no knowledge of the storyline and I know that because even my grandma loves trench and she doesn’t know what the hell a Clancy is

[sly hazel]

something I find really interesting that I've been thinking about recently
Tyler did that video about the album being delayed and was saying he really loved every song and he wanted to present it with the videos
And then in the livestream was saying he wasn't even gonna put Navigating on the album?????????????????????

[lean mango]

True... he literally said he believed in all of the music so much he thought they all deserved videos

[fallow violet]

that honestly just feels like tyler being tyler. he literally insinuated he regrets stuff on trench in the rocksound interview that came out when this era started

[sudden steppe]

he also delayed the album for the sole purpose of music videos and then decided to release paladin strait MV around 2 weeks after the album

[teal compass]

Yeah Tyler has a strong love hate relationship with his own music

[sudden steppe]

that seems very very intentional and i feel like they would have just delayed the album by a couple more weeks if it weren't

[teal compass]

We’ve been seeing that displayed in different ways pretty much his whole career, part of why he made hating the music part of the blurryface persona during that era

It could be a hint at something more or it could just be Tyler being Tyler and having anxiety over a thing even though he’s also proud of it

[fallow violet]

i think that was a necessary lie because of the cliffhanger. but then again, i dont think i would be side eyeing if they said before me hearing paladin strait that that video would drop later. i would probably be like "yeah that makes sense its the epic conclusion!"

[sly hazel]

I do really think he struggled writing these songs

I was talking about this the other day, the way the lyrics are all jumbled in the Digital Remains, certain songs blending together, referencing each others titles

I feel like he had these ideas and themes but really struggled to put them into individual songs

[fallow violet]

but now looking back knowing what we know now, it is kinda weird, like they really couldve just told us paladin drops separately i dont think we would question it much

[glacial fulcrum]

Adihgrtnsnd

[sudden steppe]

but i still bet he delayed it for music videos because otherwise he could have released them all on the 17th and still saved paladin strait for later like he did

[teal compass]

I think mark posted on his story with a bunch of editing programs opened a couple days before the stream one sec

He was likely still editing at least one of the others

[fallow violet]

oh yeah 100% i believe mark needed more time for the editing. but based on how paladin ended i think they always planned to release it later and separately it wasnt a last minute decision

so they did lie about that imo

because it would kinda be a spoiler

[sly hazel]

They must have had this all planned from before though
Even with the initial release we reckon they still planned for June 7th PS MV and then still planned this 25 thing?

[fallow violet]

only kinda though. because if they had said "all videos will come out on the release date except PS that will come a bit later" , would we actually question it? like before hearing the album. because i dont think so

[teal compass]

Okay yeah 3 days before the album

Mark was probably still crunching on at least one non Paladin vid for the delay

[sly hazel]

He's frantically trying to edit the second album videos

[teal compass]

Lmao

[glacial fulcrum]

😭

[teal compass]

The 25 is referring to 2025 when mark will emerge from his hibernation to work on the new album after recovering from this one

He gets 6 months to nap

[glacial fulcrum]

My reaction when the cool indie band I met 13 years ago wants me to make 25 music videos for every song on their album...

[teal compass]

Maybe a cardboard box to sleep in if he’s good

[teal compass]

It was so funny to me when mark told HIS EMPLOYERS who employ him for FILMOGRAPHY that his film school closed live on air while the employers were showing off his filmography

[glacial fulcrum]

Just wait until Clancy: infinity war comes out, then they'll be happy they hired him

[fallow violet]

yeah I think they always planned to release PS later. I guess what Im also trying to say is that if they had said "all videos will come out on the release date except PS that will come a bit later" I dont think we wouldve questioned it. so they definitely couldve just done that instead of lying. at that point we all thought thats the conclusion anyway so it wouldnt have been surprising to hear that the final video would come separately. I think its just another point to theres something more here thats happening besides paladin mv

[sly hazel]

Oh yeah that makes a lot of sense

If they said from the start we are gonna have PS after 2-3 weeks to really end off the era I don't thionk anyone would've thought otherwise, you're definitely right there

[pale harness]

"BANDITOS..... assemble"

[fallow violet]

or maybe they just thought its necessary to lie about paladin mv coming out later to like keep the secrecy or whatever. even though they would still be keeping it regardless because we had literally no idea

[glacial fulcrum]

Also quick question how do we know PS mv will come out on June 7th? :0

(Think I missed something)

[fallow violet]

new merch preorders on the website drop on the 7th so it's an assumption. and it fits with the early june thing

[lean mango]

Ok, here's a question

What could those merch pre-orders be?

[glacial fulcrum]

I see I see

[lean mango]

I've heard barely any theories on that

[glacial fulcrum]

Idk but I actually might buy some atp

[fallow violet]

wait dont we know that

[teal compass]

The weirdest thing about Paladin to me is that even at the start of the stream they were saying they’d premier all 14, they only broke the news a little later on when Tyler started talking about the story music videos

[fallow violet]

like i havent personally seen anything

but I thought we did for some reason

[fallow violet]

right😭

[teal compass]

I can’t come up with a reason why they’d be lying to the absolute last last last second like that it’s just weird

[glacial fulcrum]

It is weird

[fallow violet]

very

[lean mango]

Not sure

[glacial fulcrum]

Onbmrvtlnsoap

[fallow violet]

oh just checked and yeah we do, the merch is up on their site already

[lean mango]

What is it?

[fallow violet]

just shirts and hoodies, probably what they sold at the fpe event or pop up shops

someone interpreting "does this sound like the end?" from tyler as a hint to "the ending is actually never breaking the cycle". like that's such a reach imo

[cloud lynx]

yeah

agreed

[warm crescent]

and lame

[compact arrow]

I will now say it

Never wrong

Just early 🙂

[storm fable]

I don't think he'd tease how it ends, that's something they'd save, not wanting to spoil it, he's clearly hinting at if paladin strait is actually the end

[floral holly]

When do you think the mv gonna be announced

[nimble urchin]

On the Ode to sleep video fueled by ramen at 5:24 (album release date) in the video shows fans holding up lighters “follow the torches”. The video is also 6:25 long. *Hinting at something 🙏 to thank the fans [esp FPE].

-Side topic: Is Tyler creating a “drag path” during Vingette? If so, it leads to Josh.

P.S you probably already know the album is a loop, from Paladin Straight “Hello Clacy” back to Overcompensate “Welcome back to Trench” not my theory but makes sense. Sorry, I just got hear.

[nimble urchin]

6/18 or 6/25 is my guess, Tyler said early June

[storm fable]

I think it'll be announced sometime over the next week

[teal compass]

Yeah I’d also expect this week

Announcement this week, music video before the 15th

Being generous and calling “early June” the first half of the month

Not sure if I’m expecting a week long hype build teaser or if we just find out a day or two early

[storm fable]

we've gotten official announcements around a week before the thing drops for most of clancy though, next semester, and backslide for example

although the craving wasn't a full week iirc

[teal compass]

Backslide was only 3 days wasnt it?

Thought that one was the 22nd and the 25th or something around there

[storm fable]

oh maybe i'm just flat out wrong lol,
weird, I could've sworn having waited a week between tylers tweet and the video

i might have just been so impatient it felt like a week lmao

[teal compass]

Next semester was definitely a week but I think backslide was shorter

There was a lot that happened though we got the teaser then the album delay then the video so it might have felt like a lot of stuff between lol

[storm fable]

yeah I know for a fact next semester was a week,
but knowing I was wrong about backslide, maybe a june 7th release for paladin strait is still possible

[candid flume]

am i crazy or does this look like a c and m

im prolly jus cuckoo

sleep deprivation go brrrrrrr

[lean mango]

huh, it does

[candid flume]

guys its time to go scavenger huntinggggg yippee

its the full visualiser ss

[static sinew]

Cdouble Malbum

[glacial fulcrum]

Ctorch Mbearer

[pale harness]

I'll be honest I see nothing in that PS placeholder

some of yall might be losing it 🫡🥸

[wary oak]

Guys, I don't know about you, but I don't feel like this album is an end. It doesn't sound final, even if they explain things in the final song. it needed a final sound. That's why I want this theory to be real. I loved the album but it leaves me dissatisfied with the lore

[cerulean bridge]

That's so real

[odd cargo]

it's releasing in 2008 probably

[silent cairn]

Have we considered that Tyler intentionally backslided on his final album promise to make a point

[candid flume]

i dont wanna backslide, its a backslide, huh

[fallow violet]

3rd heart attack today because of tylers pings i need paladin mv premiere info

[olive plume]

you know he’s already got it typed up in his drafts

[light chasm]

I was thinking like maybe overcompensate is a song kind of teasing what Clancy was meant to be. It starts off loud and proud with “welcome back to trench” and promises we’re back to trench with bandito lyrics. But then the beat switches. It gets slower. It doesn’t explode. Tyler says HE IS CLANCY. Then all the songs after are VERY PERSONAL experiences tyler has gone through. Maybe the whole point of this album is “yeah the dema storyline is cool but it was always a way for me to write songs about my life without fully exposing myself” with these new songs they are so personal to Tyler, more like vessel, where maybe the lore goes out with a “these characters youve been seeing all along are me, my family, and my friends vs my thoughts” instead of some big final battle in the story itself.

[lean mango]

Did you see my theory on this song?

[steep roost]

Any updates

[lean mango]

nop

[rancid gust]

did we put the 11 footprints thing from josh's portrait in the snow?

I just got here to this chat lol

[lean mango]

wym by that

I think I missed something

[rancid gust]

zoom in, its 4k

we had the 11 dots at the fan premier event, 11 random letters tweeted by tyler, and 11 steps between tyler and the portrait of josh, which is obviously digitally edited. Eleven more songs brings our total count to 25 which has been hinted at a lot

[lean mango]

I think it's likely to be a hint towards 11 songs

but something isn't clicking for me

which is, counting both Cravings feels weird

[rancid gust]

it does I agree but like

they're two different songs technically

idk

[lean mango]

ye

and it'd be kind of a big coincidence if this isn't intentional

that's 3 hints towards 11

[rancid gust]

it'd be a crazy coincidence

11 could mean something else tho ig

I think there were 13 commas that got used to guess the amount of tracks in this album tho

[lean mango]

and no other real idea of what it could mean

Where were the 13 commas?

[rancid gust]

let me see if I can find it

one sec

[lean mango]

that's one of the biggest tells to me that it really is probably something

[rancid gust]

also it could be unrelated to the 25, that could purely be a date

[lean mango]

because using 11 dots on that sign makes 0 sense if it's not intentional

[rancid gust]

if we don't want to count both cravings

[lean mango]

I mean, true, but I doubt he would do that

if we're counting the albums the way they usually do, from Vessel, then a potential double album would be the 6th

I just can't imagine him putting out a 6th album and bringing it to 24 when 6/25 is right there

or in the way I said it before

I think he couldn't resist

[rancid gust]

thirteen commas

[lean mango]

ah yeaaaaa

[rancid gust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1b4rmn2/13_commas_13_songs_on_the_tracklist_theres_a_new/

this was 3 months ago

[lean mango]

that makes the theory even more reliable to me

[rancid gust]

ikr, bro the anti double album guys are in denial

[lean mango]

at that point there was no reason he had to hint towards 13 tracks anymore

so the main reason I can think of that he would is to set up the fact that the number of characters lines up with the number of tracks

[glacial fulcrum]

No not me it's for a friend

[lean mango]

combine that with the acronyms in the small show codes

[rancid gust]

lol

[rancid gust]

mhmm

[lean mango]

and then we have two hints for how to interpret the 11 dots and keymash

[rancid gust]

and the steps

[lean mango]

yep

[glacial fulcrum]

Very good point

[rancid gust]

also, weak one, but the 7'33" on josh's 10k post

a vinyl record spins at 33 rpm

we currently have 6 vinyl records

7'33" would be pointing to another one.

also I'm assuming that is elevation, in which case why tf is it 7 feet 33 inches?

wouldn't it be 9 feet 9 inches?

idk what app that is tho, so I might be wrong

ok I went and checked and apparantly it means its a speed 7 minutes 33 seconds per kilometer.

but also that'd relate to the rpm, or speed, of a record turning.

people on reddit were saying it'd be hard to intentionally get all those numbers but like

its a black background, it'd take 2 seconds to photoshop

[lean mango]

Well, it couldn't have 47:14 and 6.25 without also having 7'33"

unless it's not accurate

[rancid gust]

right?

[lean mango]

7'33" is just what the pace should be for that distance and time

[rancid gust]

I didn't really see anyone talking about the 7 33 part

[lean mango]

so I don't think it's intentional

[rancid gust]

but they wouldn't need to get it legitimately

2 seconds in photoshop man

any idea what app that is?

I can't find one that looks like it

it might not even be a screenshot of an app

[lean mango]

That's not what I'm saying

I'm saying if you check the pace of running 6.25 km in 47:14 you get 7'33"

so if it was anything but 7'33" it would make this inaccurate, but it's not

[rancid gust]

ohhhhhhhhh ahahahaaa I'm stupid holyyy

lets uh

pretend I never had that segment of theory lol

[glacial fulcrum]

Lmao

[lean mango]

hey, guess what

https://x.com/tylerrjoseph/status/1794015830688035031

tyler jøseph (@tylerrjoseph) on X

get in losers

Twitter · May 24, 2024, 2:41 PM

get in losers

11 letters

[rancid gust]

no

[glacial fulcrum]

😭

[rancid gust]

frikin

way

mine was 11 letters too :D

[glacial fulcrum]

3 words have any significance?

[lean mango]

i don't think so

could be just coincidence

but he could've said anything else to announce it being out

[rancid gust]

nah, at this point

11 is 100% a thing

11 something

I really hope songs

we'll see tho

I need to start making an evidence google doc lol

[lean mango]

also the thing just posted in #verified-theorists

[glacial fulcrum]

Does anyone have the keysmash? I really need to screenshot it lol 😭

[glacial fulcrum]

Absolutely insane

[rancid gust]

what was posted?

[glacial fulcrum]

Feels weird relating a post Tyler made about his son

But idk

[rancid gust]

trust nothing I say

why would there be yellow tape?

in a normal circumstance?

/g?

[lean mango]

I don't think it's too far-fetched tbh

[glacial fulcrum]

Good point tbf

[rancid gust]

ok, its google doc time. here we go

[lean mango]

eh, it's a visitor tag

probably coincidence

[rancid gust]

probably

going in the doc anyway

[lean mango]

maybe worth adding just in case

[glacial fulcrum]

What's this?

Visitor tag

[lean mango]

something on his shirt to show he's checked in at the hospital

[rancid gust]

anyone have a picture of the 11 random letters?

[glacial fulcrum]

Here

[rancid gust]

ty :D

[lean mango]

pinned when

I feel like people ask for this twice a day lol

[rancid gust]

thats the same day he did the 13 commas btw

day before clancy announcement

[lean mango]

oh yea :)

[rancid gust]

or wait hang on

thats the day of the announcement

the commas was the day before

alr do we have a picture of the fan premier exhibit dots?

can't find it online rn

[light chasm]

Onbmrvtlnsoap

[rancid gust]

lol soap

[glacial fulcrum]

That's right lol

[lean mango]

https://x.com/lowenergyspin/status/1795910052655636486

sam ••••X (@lowenergyspin) on X

Did you all notice how many dots were there in the FPE sign? Yep, 11. Like in 11 new songs since The Craving (Single version) is out already.

Twitter · May 29, 2024, 8:08 PM

[light chasm]

Josh likes soap that’s why they oriented the last 4 songs in that order

[rancid gust]

thanks :D

[light chasm]

Imagine Tyler posts this before the deluxe announcement

[tame tendon]

I was also there and this is why there aren’t really pictures of the event

[rancid gust]

fair

I was looking for the one above with the dots

[glacial fulcrum]

Lmaooo 😭

11 letters, 11 dots

As liquid pointed out 11 footprints in the snow

[light chasm]

That’s some crazy shit

If not a sign and just a coincidence

[glacial fulcrum]

It lines up too well

Has to mean something !

[rancid gust]

and they used commas to tease the amount of tracks we have now

which is honestly them giving us the solution to figure this out.

are we missing any?

oh yeah the 11 letters from the other post

get in losers

[lean mango]

I'm more doubtful about that

[rancid gust]

yeah I might take it off actually

it gives people a spot to chisel at

[wary oak]

I hope there is a double album. but I don't want to leave disappointed

[rancid gust]

well I'm happy either way

I just like arg things

so what do we have for 6/25 clues? Ultimate chapter 25, the 10k post from josh, the back and forth josh and tyler had, the 120-95 in overcompensate/digital remains booklet, anything else?

[lean mango]

Fool me once, it's been 25 times in Snap Back

[wary oak]

in the song, when they say, hello clancy

[lean mango]

And the number of pages between the two duplicated pages in the Digital Remains, inclusive

[rancid gust]

its been 25 times is 6 syllables too lol

[lean mango]

true

damn

[rancid gust]

can you remind me what that was about? Idk if I have the full story

[lean mango]

this page appears twice in the Digital Remains booklet

[rancid gust]

ik there were 2 duplicate ones

[lean mango]

page 36 and 60

[rancid gust]

I just never heard the part about how that got us to 25

[lean mango]

36 to 60 is 25 pages if you count both of the duplicates and all the ones in between

[rancid gust]

what about the other one?

the other duplicate I mean

[lean mango]

haven't heard about it, someone said there was only one actually

but I'm checking now

I never looked thoroughly

[rancid gust]

I thought there were two

one sec

36 and 60, 38 and 49

[lean mango]

interesting

could be coincidence or not intended then

[rancid gust]

could be, I still think its weird there are duplicates tho

I'll leave that one out since its not solid for now tho

[lean mango]

the second duplicates are 11 apart but not inclusive

so 12 inclusive

[wary oak]

Hey guys

Its D

No C

[rancid gust]

.. huh?

[wary oak]

Open

[storm fable]

I can't tell if you guys are trolling, I see absolutely nothing but a rock lol

[rancid gust]

I also only see a rock

or whatever it is

[wary oak]

Jajaja noo its D and M

[storm fable]

Still don't see it lol

[wary oak]

Uh f #**"###((

Jajaja xd

[storm fable]

Ohhhhhh

[rancid gust]

ok so question

[storm fable]

I kinda see it, but I think it's just a coincidence of how the rocks look

[rancid gust]

what was the inferno thing?

[storm fable]

Cause even if it did say DM,
That doesn't tell us anything

[rancid gust]

like where did people get that?

[storm fable]

The clancy letters that came out with overcompensate talked about creating an inferno

[wary oak]

DOUBLE MALBUM XD

[rancid gust]

can you link it rq?

or like a picture

[rancid gust]

thank you!

[lean mango]

where did the hint about where we found the website link come from?

[olive plume]

that handwritten note was on those red letters that got sent out

but the url was originally found on the vessel store page on their website in a gif

[lean mango]

what exactly did it say / does someone have a picture?

[rancid gust]

oh crap it posted backward hang on

alr did I miss anything?

[lean mango]

so this was sent out this era?

and still not solved?

[rancid gust]

I'ma take it as a sign that I got it all.

[lean mango]

nothing missed that I know of so far

[rancid gust]

gotcha, I went and made a reddit post to see if anyone else has anything