Double Album Confirmed

[teal compass]

The Reddit fanbase also seems generally more anti lore than the discord fanbase to me for some reason, there’s a weird attitude among the Reddit community whenever it’s brought up like this

They did a couple billboards but it was significantly less than the last 2 eras

[candid flume]

that could jus be a budget thing or it cld be lore related

my phone tweaking rn tho

[teal compass]

Oh wait actually I just realized I read your message wrong I thought you were asking about this era, they did the billboards for trench era but I don’t think they did for BF

[candid flume]

so what did u mean here?

[teal compass]

Clancy era did the billboards too we just only got like 7 of them in different countries, sai and trench eras both did a ton of billboards all over

Thought you were asking if Clancy did billboards like the other eras at first

[candid flume]

tbh i thought they went way more all out for stuff like that bc of the letters and album tape (which i may add has been removed from spotify at least)

btw has anyone analyzed the dema evidence book yet bc i got it and it seems like theres much more lore in it

[wicked pagoda]

Crazy idea. Love it

That makes sense fr

[wicked pagoda]

Very interesting indeed 🤔

[fallow violet]

im actively trying to convince myself that all we are getting is the paladin mv and that will conclude it but my brain cannot comprehend why on earth wouldnt tyler just straight up say its getting concluded in the music video instead of being cryptic. like if we know its the final thing we are getting and the song itself doesnt sound like the end, the logical conclusion would be the music video. but he has gone out of his way to not even confirm that even though its literally not a spoiler if he said it ?? theres like no reason to tease something we all know is coming

[trail vigil]

Okay, I'm starting to be convinced. That doesn't mean much haha since I've been wrong on junk in the past, but this looks like a compelling argument for something, at the very least a lil bit more lore. I don't think it'll be a full-on double album because they did so many mvs this time around, but I could see there being a handful of epilouge songs

[fallow violet]

yeah i was absolutely not on board but it feels like im actively ignoring stuff if i don’t at least take it into consideration

[trail vigil]

Then again I thought that about the greek stuff we were on earlier this year which ended up nowhere

[candid flume]

there is way more to back up the double album/extention theory tho imo

[trail vigil]

Very true

[teal compass]

I’ll say it again, the exhibit really sells it. Everything else could just be weird coincidences or speculation but here we genuinely have confirmation from the band that some sort of final chapter is coming, and we know Paladin strait will be early June which rules out June 25th for Paladin specifically, so either something else on the 25th or 2025

It’s not even a matter of believing that something is going to happen at this point it’s deciding what it will be

They have told the fans directly they have something planned at this point, now we’ve just gotta wait and see what it is (and go crazy waiting)

(Side note it’s weird how absolutely locked the fuck down they’ve got the exhibit, I never saw a single actual pic of the inside get out and all we had were notes from people who went, again veering away from confirmed material and into speculation but it feels weird they seem to have gone so hard on security and tried to let out the absolute bare minimum about this exhibit)

Compared to something like the recent signing or the pop up shops where we immediately got tons of pictures and videos, not a single person got a phone in and snapped a pic of anything? We got dozens of pics of the outside of the exhibit and then just a complete black hole of info beyond the written accounts

The employees supposedly talking about the exhibit going with them on the tour was also interesting, another thing that makes me lean 2025, but maybe they wanted this as an initial teaser for the hometown fans they kept super locked down and it’s gonna get spread everywhere and hyped up once the tour kicks off

[teal compass]

Oh Um idea, everyone’s been calling this top7 in the fanbase because we count them all but we know from the vessel stream that Tyler considers their bands discography to start with Vessel as the first album and go on to Blurryface, Trench, SAI, and now Clancy and he’s called trench their third album previously in press conferences

So- if this is another album, from Tyler’s numbering system this would be the 6th one

6/25

Could be nothing but if it IS 2025 the 6 could be in reference to the album

[static sinew]

i think hes called this album the 6th before

bc he counts s-t but not rab

i just dont like what double albums do to our expectations as a fanbase. taylor swift did a double album once , now its expected every time. itll make next album feel like a downgrade if its not also a double

it also makes this album and these songs feel less important , like filler , like theyve served their purpose as a teaser

idk i def thing tyler has been very sus w his teasing , but its more likely a deluxe than second album

[teal compass]

He says directly that he views vessel as their first record in the stream and josh agrees one sec

I will come bearing sources

[teal compass]

I’m also more on this thought train than a full double album

I feel like it’s gotta have some loophole to stay as part of Clancy but idk

[static sinew]

i know he does , but when doing the setlist for clancy he listed s-t as an album (but not rab)

[teal compass]

here is the vid if anyone else is curious
https://www.youtube.com/live/q7IKZD1ALzc?si=e-LZl7mF_mK01H72&t=2704

timestamped

[pale harness]

I have a theory but I'm too tired so I'll send it later day

[trail igloo]

The main reason I think for the double album theory in my head is why release all videos at once and have no other modes of promo for the era outside the tour, like the outside got a video a year after the album come out and was pushed heavily

[static sinew]

it also needs to boost clancys album sales lmao , lets not forget warner music is behind this too. like all of taylor swifts double albums are only available as a bundle with the original album , so that every sale still counts towards the originals numbers. thats not an accident

[lime carbon]

From morocco!!!!

Hahah, she passed gibraltar strait while travelling also

[shell kite]

imagine they rerelease RaB with some extra songs instead of the songs that were on Vessel

[fathom charm]

Another thing, i dont know if it's anything tho, but i noticed that in the videos josh's drumsticks are both red, but on the small shows he has one red and one yellow (when the era started i was thinking that it's gonna be red and yellow but then it turned out to be kinda only red, and when the double album theory came up i thought clancy is gonna be red and torchbearer/voldsoy/clancy part2/idk is gonna be yellow so that's why i think this could be a hint)

[static sinew]

ive noticed that too , but i think its moreso just part of the narrative of yellow gaining in dominance , like an inverse of sai. during takeover tour , they started w blue pink and yellow confetti and then slowly got rid of yellow. i think this era started very red and will become more yellow (like how the latam leg of tour has only yellow marketing , no red)

[trail igloo]

Good point

[slow sun]

This isn’t deep at all but the number 2 is mentioned like twice in midwest indigo
That’s probably not related though, I just wanted to join in

[rain birch]

double album confirmed /j

[slow sun]

Exactly.
100%.
Mystery solved.

[olive plume]

you might be joking but this was literally evidence people had for taylor swift dropping her double album at 2 in the morning (she kept throwing peace signs everywhere)

[ripe arch]

the blurry paint hiatus pic was 6/25 too btw

[olive plume]

(not related) but it was also posted in 2017 and it references the lyric in snap back about the thing he kicked in ‘17

[static sinew]

by that logic blurryface triple album theory bc the lyrics drop the number 3 several times

[meager fjord]

So- out of curiosity- are we still mainly going off of the puzzle in the exhibit? Are there other big pieces too?

[static sinew]

that and tylers weird livestream comment are p much it yea

[meager fjord]

Right gotcha

[static sinew]

i also think the lack of merch + permanent aesthetic is kinda sus (like ,,, josh is reusing old drum gear , no confetti was ordered for the small shows , which they usually have confetti at those venues) , almost as if the aesthetic is gonna change and they dont wanna commit to this too hard

[cloud lynx]

i'm not sure this could be happening (not denying it either but it would rly be a lot lol)
but imagine, double album, then an epilogue EP at the end of the era

(not being fully serious here)

[graceful hill]

This makes a lot of sense

[static sinew]

personally i think purple part 2 is possible / likely

since we need follow up on all the cyan and purple hints

[cloud lynx]

idk, the tour is already using a lot of red & yellow aesthetic

[static sinew]

or red and yellow merged into orange

[graceful hill]

We got more physical album stuff than clothing or anything else

[cloud lynx]

at worst i can see a part 2 using orange or using more yellow than red (kinda like the Trench era a bit?)

[static sinew]

only on posters , which can change. they did that for sai

[cloud lynx]

ooh

[graceful hill]

They did?

[static sinew]

some of the early sai shows still used trench era posters and photos for promo

[cloud lynx]

did they already do that? changing the posters?

oooh

[meager fjord]

Yeah idk- the marketing is definitely off this time- thinking about those super low effort ads

[cloud lynx]

then

then u might be onto smth

a purple era/part 2 could be possible

[cloud lynx]

if this happened

[static sinew]

in my city (it was a festival tho) they did , yes

[cloud lynx]

hmmmmm

[meager fjord]

I’m not completely sold on purple, just bc it’s a huge change from the color meanings we’ve gotten so far throughout this storyline- it could happen, but I feel like orange is more likely

[static sinew]

i agree

[meager fjord]

Just from a meanings standpoint

[graceful hill]

Yeah same

[static sinew]

but i could still see purple having a role

like how blue ned was during trench

[cloud lynx]

at least i can now see a color change (from what u said)

lol

[static sinew]

the lack of new drumkit is very suspicious tho

[graceful hill]

I think we saw the new drumkit from sjc once

[static sinew]

that was a placeholder mockup image

it was just blank red

[graceful hill]

Oh

[cloud lynx]

was the drumkit the same as SAI? just with a different logo on the front of it?

[static sinew]

same as blurryface tour in 2015 actually

[cloud lynx]

oh waw

[rain birch]

or the double album will have yellow as their main color, and red as secondary

[static sinew]

sai had at least 4 diff drumkits as far as i remember

[meager fjord]

Maybe he got tired of constantly changing things and wanted to return to something old (it’s still suspicious)

[static sinew]

hence why this album having Just One and its a recycled one is Weird

thats why i think orange would help the era stand out more

[graceful hill]

I don't remember trench having red

[rain birch]

imagine the fire is getting bigger and the red is slowly fades away (for the double album cover)

[graceful hill]

Ah ok

I remember loc logo was red but I feel like that's different

[rain birch]

but i mean, in concert they also use many other colors

[cloud lynx]

fair

[static sinew]

like theres no way its just blank red , in comparison to him having always used a custom kit since 2015

[rain birch]

and the double album will have more lore and the sound is more like trench, ahhhhh (at the risk of feeling delusion)

[cloud lynx]

the whole drumkit situation could still be explained by them just not showing the actual drumkit for the tour, for whatever reason... but this is still suspicious

[static sinew]

in comparison , josh had kits for sai

• shy away mv kit
• two diff takeover tour kits
• outside mv kit
• saturday mv kit
• icy tour kit

this era he has:

• reused kit from 2015

[cloud lynx]

they're cooking smth

[static sinew]

okay but why tho

[cloud lynx]

yeaaaaah that's still weird

👁️

[static sinew]

or theyre just poor asf after the mvs lmao

[cloud lynx]

like why do u not show this era's drumkit 👁️

maybe bc you're preparing a... double album?

[graceful hill]

What if it's a play in the clancy cover

[static sinew]

the covers so ugly if anything i just want a diff cover image

w like an animal

[rain birch]

ned

[graceful hill]

There was more to that thought but I'm at a restaurant and the waitress came back lol

[cloud lynx]

oh

bon appétit !

[graceful hill]

What if the alleged second albums cover was like a variation on clancys

[cloud lynx]

what if

what if it's gonna be called "Inferno"

like the vinyl variant

[sly hazel]

Deluxe cover leak

[graceful hill]

So the drum kit would be a mixture of two aesthetics

[graceful hill]

Thats actually so good looking

That would be great

[cloud lynx]

eh idk

[graceful hill]

Wait a minute

Oh nvm

Oops didn't mean to reply with that

[cloud lynx]

oh

haha it's okay

[graceful hill]

I'm having hotcakes at Bob Evans right now and it's GOOD

[cloud lynx]

tbh i non-ironically the peace/two sign they've been doing could be a teasing like Taylor Swift

lmao

like combined with all the other things we have

[cloud lynx]

oh nice!

[olive plume]

purple could work since it would be a mix of them reclaiming the red (like tyler’s said) while also introducing the blue as a “sign of defeat.” so maybe purple could be a sign that dema/bishops have been defeated

[patent coral]

https://x.com/ageddaisies/status/1795448489305874808?s=46

s🍉 (jenna's version) (@ageddaisies) on X

ALL IM SAYING is there was a pattern and it seems to have been broken .

Twitter · May 28, 2024, 1:34 PM

Have we talked about this?

[lean mango]

Could legit see this lol

[lean mango]

Did they not tweet it similarly for Clancy?

[lean mango]

Ohhhh

I think it's purple because it's like a half victory

[silent cairn]

mark forgot 💀

[lean mango]

They win but not everyone gets out

He realizes that some part of Nico will linger with him forever

The victory can never be complete and permanent

But it can be enough to keep going

[cloud lynx]

interesting...

not even "album"

also Tyler and Josh not smiling

[wicked pagoda]

Sus indeed…

[static sinew]

its also sus theyll be doing signings in 2025 ,,,, usually theyve always done signings within a month of the album dropping

[wicked pagoda]

I will say overcompensate was all red, then you have Routines in the night with red + the yellow flowers, then it’s navigating with all yellow (with the Banditos). Which is interesting that there’s a gradient of sorts.

[static sinew]

routines also had quite a bit of blue tho

[wicked pagoda]

Omg a purple era. I’m all for thissss

[wicked pagoda]

It did?

Interesting that it’s just one room 🤨

[compact arrow]

After listening to the album start to finish this marketing makes 0 sense.

[fair dirge]

Do we say there's going to be double album every era?

[compact arrow]

Nah I haven’t

Only this one

Cause the math ain’t mathing

[pale harness]

how does this marketing not make sense?

out of curiosity

[fair dirge]

They said it will be full of lore and so on

[compact arrow]

I am Clancy
OC welcoming us back to trench and lyrics from bandito
After OC the track list feels all over the place. Almost like it’s not in the right order (check out that theory I respect it)

Just really put your mind into a lore/even trench mode right.

Listen to the album start to finish

It’s so not what they marketed if you get what I’m saying.

[pale harness]

right yeah i get that

i think they're making their music a little more accessible for the non-obsessed fans that don't know much / don't care much for the underlying storyline imo

making the details about the lore instead of going full balls to the wall

[wicked pagoda]

Yeah fr. The music isn’t even like one style. It’s all different.

[compact arrow]

I think this album was for the general public. If there is another album or even ep it will be more for the die hard fans.

[raven lagoon]

"The most straight forward album"

or something

[compact arrow]

They’ve always been like this but this album isn’t what we were marketed.

So either Tyler said fuck it and scammed us or there is more to everything.

[wicked pagoda]

Oh okay. I agree. But I thought they planned everything out no?

[compact arrow]

Lyrically and instrumentally the album is fantastic. Definitely an album in their top 5 but seriously. Go watch I am Clancy straight into oc and the rest of the album.

You are left scratching your head dude.

[compact arrow]

They probably have. Tyler just having fun with messing with us.

No confetti at shoes is what gave it away imo

Plus touring doesn’t start til what august?

Idk man shit ain’t adding up and I can’t count past 5

Also I’ve been a fan since May of 2013. I’ve seen the way vessel era, BF era, Trench era, SAI era and now this era have gone.

This is by far the most cryptic weird era. 2nd to trench

That’s why I’m so frustrated because we were told by Tyler this would their most straight forward album.

NOT IN INTERVIEWS IN THE MUSIC BTW

[cloud lynx]

honestly, i can't recall actually believing that much in a double album

and i've been there since before Trench

[compact arrow]

I can’t believe my insomnia back when OC first came out allowed me to may have call the double album

[cloud lynx]

i've had suspicions right there too lmao

but we didn't have as much clues as now

[compact arrow]

Exactly

[fair dirge]

Tyler: it's going to be the end of the story and big finale
Lavish starts playing

[raven lagoon]

Also, there's NO way "I'm Not Home" isn't a song

[fair dirge]

What is "im not home"

[cloud lynx]

i'm calling it guys, I'm Not Home either was a demo for a Trench/SAI/Clancy song (that was scraped or turned into another song), or it's gonna be a single for the double album

🫡

[cloud lynx]

remember the Vessel anniversary livestream?

[raven lagoon]

If I'm Not Home was changed to Paladin Strait he'd definitely let us know in the livesstream

[cloud lynx]

they showed some RAB & Vessel demos, and Tyler "accidentally" showed a file named "I'm Not Home"
that's were it comes from

[fair dirge]

I haven't watchet it 👉👈

[wicked pagoda]

Tyler said in the livestream “Tell me if you think this is the end.”
If that doesn’t give away a double album idk what does.

[shell kite]

imagine its just a voice memo

[fair dirge]

Ohh

[cloud lynx]

aw it's ok

lemme find it

the full livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7IKZD1ALzc

[shell kite]

id personally do that if i was an artist with this kind of fanbase lmao

[cloud lynx]

it could be smth else, but like guys, i don't think they'd close the last album of the storyline on a cliffhanger

i mean it could happen, we don't know what they have planned, but the probabilities are slim, genuinely

[shell kite]

this is gonna be so wild i swear

#verified-theorists message

[wicked pagoda]

Yeah I agree that it could be something else. Tyler and Josh are probably watching us sweat rn.

[shell kite]

there has to be

and i will cry if they make fun of us with some like "what double album? i dont see any double album. do you see a double album josh?"

[wicked pagoda]

Omg fr. I’ll be right there with you lol

[cloud lynx]

we're gonna cry if that happens

[teal compass]

I feel like they would probably tell us if we were completely off because they’ve gotta have seen half of the entire fanbase freaking out about this possibility and marks stepped in to shut down much smaller baseless fan ideas

[cloud lynx]

so much noise about a double album, and they indirectly reply with more teasing

like

yeah

[sly hazel]

I feel like the fact that they actively made fans aware of the message at the FPE thing

[teal compass]

At least I hope they would have said something clarifying Paladin as the end by now if it was supposed to be, like it took mark 4 hours to intervene about the voicemail thing when that turned out to be fake idk if they’d want us to keep going down that rabbit hole if NOTHING is coming

[sly hazel]

like it has to mean something

[cloud lynx]

instead of just saying "nope not gonna happen" they tease us even more

😭

[cloud lynx]

and yeah the FPE thingy like omg

they wanted us to know about it

[teal compass]

Lmao immediately got a twenty one pilots Twitter notif, glad that wasn’t confirmation of no double album

Just lavish alls good

[cloud lynx]

lmaoo

saw it too

[shell kite]

i freaked too

[wicked pagoda]

The way my heart stopped

They added to there story

Nm

[sly hazel]

I am holding strong to June 7th PS MV
June 25th either an announcement of new music or release date of new music

[wicked pagoda]

False alarm it’s just about lavish 😅

[sly hazel]

It fits perfectly with Simone Weil's travels, and we already have the 25th date from the FPE thing too

[shell kite]

i dont know how id feel if it was an announcement instead of release

[sly hazel]

well

they don't tend to release stuff on Tuesdays

and if it's a good chunk of new music
They could announce on the 25th and then release on the 27th/28th

[shell kite]

yeah thats the thing :/

[wicked pagoda]

An announcement would probably mean a second album right?

[zinc pendant]

Most likely we will get info at the and of paladin mv if any

[sly hazel]

Look at the other music we've gotten

they could do a premiere on YT on 25th

[cloud lynx]

idk there would still be a lot of room before the tour

[sly hazel]

then the actual release is on Thursday/Friday

[cloud lynx]

and they might want to wait a bit (Clancy + the announcement + probably a new single)

maybe July for a double album

[shell kite]

okay but this morning in my half asleep state, i thought about how a second album could allow an opportunity to rerelease rab songs

and im still on that

[wicked pagoda]

I agree

[sly hazel]

idk if they'd do it tbh
especially if they wanted to keep the second part of whatever this is to be more lore focused

[shell kite]

yeah theres that too

but why they gonna play slowtown and not give an official rerelease 😭

[cloud lynx]

i'm gonna freak out if Paladin Strait music video also ends on a cliffhanger (which is most probably gonna happen)

[pale harness]

you know

the way they're releasing these social media posts for their songs is interesting

[vague jetty]

Would love if the double album was called The Few The Proud The Emotional

[cloud lynx]

oh?

[wicked pagoda]

Meaning?

[shell kite]

they only do half of the song 😭

[pale harness]

lemme analyse it more and i'll get back to y'all

[cloud lynx]

true lmao

[compact arrow]

Hey all I’m saying is go look at the marketing and then listen to the album in full

They have little to no correlation

[slate jewel]

so fellow copium huffers
how sure are we about the double album on this fine day

[compact arrow]

To one of my og forum friends I will say

It’s looking pretty good.

[sly hazel]

Committed to deluxe version that's an entire B Side called Clancy: The Final Chapter

[wicked pagoda]

Pretty sure it’s a thing, if not an album, maybe another single

[slate jewel]

hell yeah

[cloud lynx]

honestly, still not 100% sure that it's gonna be a double album, but new music is gonna happen, 100 fucking %

[slate jewel]

DEFINITELY

[shell kite]

to point where there will be much weeping if its not real

[pale harness]

man if only there was like a combined board with all our theories

[compact arrow]

Like I said earlier. Go watch I am Clancy and then go listen to the album in full.

Shit ain’t adding up

[shell kite]

only oc and paladin strait directly reference the storyline, no?

[cloud lynx]

and the teasing, the clues, the FPE thing, etc...

[wicked pagoda]

Omg right. I literally go to sleep and I’m spending 4 hours the next day reading everything 😭

[slate jewel]

yeah it really ain't

[shell kite]

in the lyrics that is

[compact arrow]

Honestly in everything.

[slate jewel]

especially after you read the clancy letters
because What? huh?

[cloud lynx]

imagine a Nico vs Clancy diss track on the second album

[wicked pagoda]

What did they say again?

[pale harness]

what specifically isn't adding up for y'all?

[pale harness]

dear Nico's son.. i'm sorry that man is your father let me be honest...

[cloud lynx]

a fuck ton of things

lmao

[slate jewel]

a lot 😭😭

[slate jewel]

rap battle

[pale harness]

yeah but respectfully that doesn't mean anything can you give like examples

[wicked pagoda]

Lmao I must have missed what they said…

[lime carbon]

Waitwaitwait can somebody give me a quick update about what yall talkin rn

[compact arrow]

Midwest Indigo is literally about Ohio LMFAO
Routines in the night can be taken as a lore song but I thought this was a straightforward album?
Vignette and Navigating are the two closest songs when it comes to lore yet they aren’t nearly at the same level as OC LMFAO
The Craving is his song to his wife
ATROFD is quite literally friend please pt 2
And Paladin Strait is a dogshit cliffhanger (not the song) I SAID IT, THE CLIFF HANGER WAS UNNECESSARY, FUCK YOU TYLER, BOOO 🍅🍅

[cloud lynx]

And Lavish... it's the new way of living

[compact arrow]

Not gonna talk about that song

[cloud lynx]

"deal with it"

[wicked pagoda]

Just that certain things are adding up. Like marketing, things said in livestreams etc. 🙂

[shell kite]

lmao

[compact arrow]

That song shouldn’t have even been on the album I’m sorry.

I like it

But dawg what the fuck was that

[cloud lynx]

disagree

it's funny

[pale harness]

Lavish is amazing

[compact arrow]

Lyrics pointing towards someone getting their booty taken

[fair dirge]

I really like lavish 😾

[pale harness]

Tyler wanted it on the record so he could explore more music genres and options

[cloud lynx]

okay, yeah, this line might've been unnecessary tbh

[pale harness]

he said so in the livestream

[cloud lynx]

😭

[compact arrow]

GUYS I LIKE RHE SONG TOO LMFAO

I’m saying it shouldn’t have been put on the album.

[shell kite]

have yall heard the theory that its about the toxic fans?

[compact arrow]

Just like Midwest.

[shell kite]

no

leave midwest out of this

[fair dirge]

No

[compact arrow]

I like the album but when it comes to the marketing, half these songs DONT MAKE SNSE

Omg you’re not getting what I’m saying

[cloud lynx]

if there's gonna be a second album, i'd say this one will make a lot more sense

[compact arrow]

I love all the songs. Just some made 0 sense when it came to the way they marketed it.

[slate jewel]

there's a line in there I think is about them and it's hilarious

[cloud lynx]

more music

💯

[shell kite]

the fighting for the front row thing i think

[fair dirge]

Navigating and RITN shouldn't be on the album

[compact arrow]

Huh

[wicked pagoda]

Righttt

[slate jewel]

totally

[compact arrow]

No music industry

[cloud lynx]

does it sound like the end...

[shell kite]

no i getcha, i just dont want a woeld where midwest was left behind

[compact arrow]

Ok how about this. I love every song in their own way (genuinely) I just wish they weren’t put in this album for set reasons.

[wicked pagoda]

Snap Back shouldn’t be on the album tbh

[compact arrow]

Me neither. I fucking love these songs. Great idea, terrible execution. Still a great album when you look past the lore though.

[shell kite]

no it is, i just heard someone mention it and it made me chuckle

[compact arrow]

Can’t tell me to ignore the lore WHEN THE FUCKING NAME OF THE ALBUM IS CLANCY BRO

[wicked pagoda]

Ty 🙂

[compact arrow]

TO EVERYONE SAYING FUCK THE LORE NO BRO THE ALBUM IS LITERALLY NAMED CLANCY

[shell kite]

clancy is from ohio obvi

[wicked pagoda]

Literally like don’t name it Clancy then. If that’s your main character in the LORE!

[pale harness]

yeah and the album in 2015 was called Blurryface but it broke them through to mainstream media because it wasn't filled to the brim with lore

[storm ether]

Idk I think most of the songs have potential lore or narrative implications

[compact arrow]

Sorry I’m crashing out. I’m just so tired of people tryna say that those who aren’t happy with the album in the lore side of things are just haters. Like no dude. Been following this wack ass story for 10 years and I just had to hear about a dudes booth getting taken midway through the album.

[wicked pagoda]

Meaning what?

[pale harness]

meaning that the lore isn't the only thing that matters for this group??

[fathom charm]

Ye, and in trench they could pull it off, like to be enjoyable for the people that dont know the lore, so i think avoiding lore heavy lyrics for average listeners is not needed

[wicked pagoda]

?

[compact arrow]

Ngl I watched the fans start to make fan fics about bf being an alter ego. Then it grew into something more.

Yes dema was inspired through fan fictions.

[cloud lynx]

that's whyyyy i think this is not the final act, it's not supposed to be the end, it's just an introduction to the protagonist, and a preparation for the actual final act

[compact arrow]

Just saying that now.

[storm ether]

I think most of the songs on clancy have potential lore or narrative implications

[slate jewel]

note the whole josh isn't real plot twist...

[compact arrow]

Yep

Been saying this

[weak swallow]

clancy has been a protag for like 6 years?

[cloud lynx]

but it isn't rly straight forward tbh, even less than Trench

[slate jewel]

yep

[compact arrow]

There was no dema or any bishop shit in vessel or BF

[cloud lynx]

hasn't been openly introduced tho

[weak swallow]

he was he just didnt have a name

[cloud lynx]

he had one, lol

[slate jewel]

well.

[storm ether]

Idk, outside of NatN, Bandito, and LTC, I don't think the songs on Trench themselves have a ton of lore or narrative

[compact arrow]

Yes you can tie the bishops to old songs but in reality that was just Tyler’s relationship with his religion btw.

[slate jewel]

there was that bishop shit in vessel that one time..

[weak swallow]

yeah but not to mainstream audiences

[wicked pagoda]

Fair, but if Tyler says they’re gonna end the story wouldn’t they have more lore? I mean if you listen to Blurryface it just sounds like normal songs, but if you know the lore then the songs have an even deeper meaning. This is kind of what I was expecting with Clancy

[lime carbon]

WHAT

[compact arrow]

Kind of

The idea was there.

[weak swallow]

everyone who knew about dmaorg knew it was clancy and everyone who didnt understood tyler was playing a character

[slate jewel]

with the guns LMAO

[compact arrow]

Just not executed yet.

[compact arrow]

YES LMFAO

12 year old me was like dawg this shit kinda cringe.

[cloud lynx]

Still, "Clancy" the record is centered on the character itself, unlike other records, and introduces him to the mainstream audience

[compact arrow]

Just start the song.

Now I appreciate it

[shell kite]

i will die if nico pulls a gun on clancy

[lime carbon]

@wicked pagoda u are a sick sick man for saying that about my precious snap back

[weak swallow]

but thats because its completing the story that started with blurryface

[pale harness]

I think some people here are forgetting that this is still a band with a lot more listeners than just the Clique.

While there's absolutely something being teased here it's important to remember that their last record did not hit at all. Musically and numbers wise it's important for them to approach a broader audience to grow as a band. Yeah not every song on this record is about the lore but there's a lot of details hinting towards it which in my opinion is enough to keep the invested fan looking while it's not a big deal when it goes over random people's heads.

Having songs about their hometown, loved ones and more songs about mental health is just how this band is no? I fail to see how this group needs to make this whole record about this story that they've been telling. It's still a piece of art that has a lot of their own personality in it.

There's an end coming to this storyline but that doesn't mean they need to devode an entire album to this lore. It can have pieces here and there, sure; but not the whole thing.

[shell kite]

"hello clancy" 🔫

[slate jewel]

nah same
imagine the banditos start getting guns

[storm ether]

#1243681283398439053 message potential narrative takeaways from the clancy songs

[wraith gulch]

Maybe Nico will turn his gun into a fist

[wicked pagoda]

I just don’t like the song tbh. Lmao don’t beat me up for it 😅

[wraith gulch]

Or Clancy

[lime carbon]

Manifesting that u fall in love w it

[slate jewel]

I mean they kind of made entire albums focused on lore with trench and scaled and icy
clancy seems to have even less lore than These, and that's why everyone's confused

[cloud lynx]

yes? i'm not saying the opposite?

[wicked pagoda]

Y’all that would be insane!!!

[weak swallow]

you said it cant be the final act because hes just been introduced?

[cloud lynx]

but this record cannot be the end

it can't

dude it literally ends on a cliffhanger

[storm ether]

What on SAI is actually lore focused outside of like, No Chances?

[pale harness]

that's only because the era isn't done yet tbh. trench didn't explain everything that it told in the first 2 weeks of the record being out right?

[cloud lynx]

like, it sounds like a first part of smth bigger, and i will die on this hill

[storm ether]

this album is at least as lore focused in its music as the past albums

[slate jewel]

at least the music videos we got progressed the story

[pale harness]

I think it's just more subtle

[slate jewel]

it is

[wraith gulch]

This is supposed to be the most direct

[wicked pagoda]

Lmao y’all would have to brainwash me to like that song

[wraith gulch]

And it’s clearly not aside from OC/Navigating and whatever we see from Paladin

[pale harness]

I still think this story is mainly going to be up for interpretation

[slate jewel]

yeah what we're saying is, if this is the most direct one that's entirely lore...where is all that 😭

[storm ether]

meanwhile I'm sitting here feeling like this is the album where I'm most able to piece the songs together in a narrative sense T_T

[odd cargo]

rab rerelease inshallah

[pale harness]

i think we're moving a bit too far from the topic of this thread; my bad gang ✌️

[wicked pagoda]

Oh like we make up the storylines ending? Like they do in movies?

[crimson slate]

Yeah. I love y'all but let's not be shitting on Clancy too much. It's okay to be disappointed but like, that doesn't mean we're going to get more music necessarily. Clearly, these songs mean a lot to the band, and to many of the fans. I think there's something new coming, but let's not get too caught up in wanting the lore to be finished.

[shell kite]

#pilots-discussion message

[storm ether]

IMO no other album of theirs had much of a clear narrative sense, but I will say that a lot the songs I interpret as navigating a headspace, emotions, and feelings, during the overall journey from OC to PS

[pale harness]

well imo this is still a story about the struggles with mental health; which is different for everyone

not every little detail will be explained

[storm ether]

in trench the narrative of the music itself was broken up because the MVs split up the order from JS - L - NATN to JS - NATN - L

and JS and L itself don't tell much of a narrative in their lyrics imo

actually tbh I found the narrative pretty loose generally through the music where as I feel more like I know what's going on in Clancy, but I might just be weird

[compact arrow]

Here let me put it this way. Trench JS, LV, NATN, morph, bandito and leave the city

All songs that point directly to lore

Like it’s right in your face

[storm ether]

how do JS and L actually point directly to the lore

[pale harness]

just the mv's

[compact arrow]

And yet this album was supposed to be the most direct and straight forward and I’m listening to bro talk about being bottomless and ear holes.

[pale harness]

the songs themselves don't

where are y'all getting this "most direct" thing from cuz i've never seen that before

[compact arrow]

Themes, vultures. You can argue JS tbf

Dawg what

[wicked pagoda]

“Danger in the fabric of this thing I’ve made.”

[storm ether]

I think Lavish is about either accepting an offer by Nico or being tempted by what Nico is offering, but realizing he'd just get fucked over

[static sinew]

it was tho ,,, literally every mv tied into the idea of blurryface in some way , and p much every song was thematically relevant to battling your inner demons (the concept of blurryface). clancy (album) doesnt really have that

[compact arrow]

Tyler literally said this was going to be the most straightforward album.

[pale harness]

can you link it please i might've missed it

[wicked pagoda]

Like all the second verse

[compact arrow]

1 sec

[static sinew]

lavish feels like sai

midwest feels like vessel

[storm ether]

we have no official confirmation that the world of Trench in-lore is a created universe that was made by a singular person, Tyler/Clancy, so I'd take the fabric language to be about the process of creating music

[weak swallow]

lots of stories do

also just because the song itself ends on a cliffhanger doesnt mean the mv will

[cloud lynx]

there are a shit ton of clues and teasing, in our case

[weak swallow]

theres just one that teases something we dont even know

"clancy final chapter" or whatever could mean anything

[static sinew]

i took it as the physical fabric of the jumpsuit

"danger in the fabric of this thing i made" -> "im careless when i wear my rebel clothes" the rebel clothes are dangerous bc they make tyler forget the threat of dema

[storm ether]

Yeah that makes sense

[compact arrow]

Anyone know where Tyler said this would be the most direct album

I mean it kinda speaks for itself with the I Am Clancy video and the album being named Clancy

[pale harness]

Mark spoke on the I Am Clancy video in this discord and it wasn't really to be more direct

[storm ether]

Let me rephrase what I think then based on that, while Trench probably was better at world building and establishing lore itself, I think Clancy has stronger narrative cohesion

[fading pewter]

Not really living up to it so far imo

[pale harness]

it was more to open the lore for more people where they could learn it quick and not feel like they're missing out

[wicked pagoda]

Interesting take. It made me think that somehow Tyler/Clancy created Dema in some way.

[storm ether]

I actually this this is the case, it's just also not confirmed fully

[storm ether]

OC leans more in that direction

[compact arrow]

It is though. The only time that these two guys talked about “lore” was when Josh accepted an award while Tyler was “severing ties with dema”

[fading pewter]

I still believe that
Think clancy is in some way involved in how the bishops came into power in the first place

[compact arrow]

Either way it’s the first time we have heard Tyler say anything about Clancy

[static sinew]

also he like grabs his jumpsuit as he says that line (+ its during the scene where the banditos are putting the tape on him , aka making his jumpsuit from a normal shirt into a bandito one)

[compact arrow]

Sure we can call it an intro but let’s be honest. This is the first time the die hard’s have heard Tyler directly speak about the lore outside of music 🥸

Also that scream in the back ground in Midwest is funny as fuck

💀

[pale harness]

My biggest takeaway from Mark's message is

That’s not needed, just an extra thing to dive into if you want to.

[sly hazel]

That is something I've been thinking about for a while now

[static sinew]

where

[sly hazel]

He specifically says that it's not needed to dive into the lore

[fading pewter]

Dont y'all think its kinda odd that there has not been any update on the dmaorg website? Given how much precision went into the updates in the past, I feel thats some of the strongest evidence for something to come still
Although maybe, as for online, we might be looking in the wrong places? perhaps there is something new to be found?

[sly hazel]

so the lore should be "completed" in just the I Am Clancy video and then the album

which so far it isn't

[pale harness]

idk if we'll get an update there soon since the journal people could buy didn't have any new letters in it

[fading pewter]

the last letter is right before Clancy heads into dema right
And these letters got released right before overcompensate dropped
Perhaps we'll get a new letter before the end of June

[cloud lynx]

if this was rly the end, i'm pretty sure it wouldn't end on that cliffhanger

[storm ether]

I think that it goes this way: Lore Tyler was suffering through mental cycles through vessel, decided to make a truce with-himself and try to be more at peace, but then in heavydirtysoul he suffers a massive mental break (imo, connecting to the potential car accident in NS), and needs to polarize and create a different version of himself that compartmentalizes all his insecurities, anxieties, etc. in Blurryface (so thus lore Tyler is Blurryface) but in the process of trying to fight against it, suffers another break that results in the creation of the Trench world, Blurryface being fully split into several different personifications with Nico being the leader also named Blurryface, and lore Tyler/now Clancy running away from the threat that they present

[static sinew]

i cant access twt

[wicked pagoda]

I found the interview!

[pale harness]

awesome

[wicked pagoda]

I think he says it’ll end after the album…

[pale harness]

yeah he does say "after the record"

[fading pewter]

That would be so cool; if nothing was really there to begin with, but just like irl, Clancy created it as a means to cope

[pale harness]

interesting

[cloud lynx]

after
i'm pretty sure if this album was the end, it would've had more lore, maybe even one more lore MV
also, it wouldn't have had such a cliffhanger lmao

[burnt scarab]

I did my prep work

[fallow violet]

this and then you also have the bbc radio 1 interview when the craving came out when he also said something

[wicked pagoda]

I agree, only 3 or 4 songs with designated lore music video

[fading pewter]

Torchbearer will guide Clancy toward reconciliation with the bishops and restore balance inside tylers mind mark my words

Clancy is the reason the og religion got hijacked by the bishops

[wicked pagoda]

Maybe Nico kills the Torchbearer? And Josh sacrifices himself so that Clancy can leave?

[fading pewter]

Its like one giant story that in reality is just a bunch of psychiatrists going along in clancy's narrative so they can get him out of psychosis

[olive plume]

no…

[fading pewter]

Look im just shitposting ok

[cloud lynx]

bro what

[wicked pagoda]

This cannot be the ending

I would cry

[fading pewter]

But I do stand by creativity (ned) being the og religion that got hijacked

Or, to put it more nuanced, a religion that got created through misusing the power of Ned's horns

[cloud lynx]

i personnally think about the Simone Veil and the "veilism" thing

[wicked pagoda]

Simone veil?

[cloud lynx]

yes

[wicked pagoda]

What’s that never heard of that

[fading pewter]

Andre and simone weil

[cloud lynx]

a person that was close to the Bourbaki group

IRL

[fading pewter]

Andre weil was a member

[cloud lynx]

im tryna find the video about it

[sly hazel]

Andre was the leader of the Bourbaki group
Simone was his sister

[fading pewter]

and his sister simone did (among some significant other stuff) some political activism, in one of them she starved herself purposefully

[sly hazel]

She was a really influential philosopher and mystic that delved into suffering and relations between people and god and the beliefs of christianity, judaism and buddhism

[wicked pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-wait-what-what-oh-yeah-gif-16514884

[fading pewter]

and the last weeks before her death strangely overlap with a lot of clancy stuff (both the character and the release rollout)

[cloud lynx]

hey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6YdIH69mU

there's also two follow ups apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md6AYLOliZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6CI7hshnvY

sry for the flooding lol

[wicked pagoda]

Omg tysm 😭

[weak swallow]

clancy journal came out so im assuming thats dmaorg finished

[compact arrow]

Probably

Either way we getting even more shit in the coming weeks.

Istg if it is another album I’ll be genuinely surprised.

[sly hazel]

I also don't think they'd do any more dmaorg stuff because they want to be upfront with the lore now

[compact arrow]

This entire forum was a shot in the dark

[sly hazel]

I think if we did get any kind of final "letter" it'd be similar to the I Am Clancy video

[cloud lynx]

oh wait wait there's this one before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3MOzMgrmA

also was the one i was actually searching at first lmao

[wicked pagoda]

Okay great ty

[compact arrow]

Please check out this theory. I really enjoyed it and it made a lot of sense while not being extremely long

https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1236501503179493428

[fading pewter]

Upfront with the lore my ass lole
Theyre upfront about the main things, but theyre still toying with us between the lines

Weild

Like yeah sure theyre upfront but simultaneously they are very much not

[compact arrow]

Pretty frustrating man

Just wanted to really see the entire world of trench

[supple smelt]

josh posted running a 10k listening to clancy yesterday. 10k is exactly 6.25 miles. 6/25 double album...

fits with the clany ultimate chapter 25

[fathom charm]

But then what about the first two letters, and the one that came in the mail? I honestly would've liked it better if they didnt use the dmaorg at all in this era, if it was for only those two letters

I really really really hope for more dmaorg activity, like i think that's one of the best parts about the lore

I never seen an artist (at least musician) doing a secret website for misterious stuff and i think it's dope

[dreamy beacon]

So quick thought about the idea of a double album. Clancy is projected to hit number 1 this week (and I'm sure we are all bumping it on repeat to help). Wouldn't a second album released in a month severely stunt both albums streaming performance? It makes sense that we could get something on the 25th but personally, I think whatever it is will be intended to promote Clancy further. Or even the tour later this year.

[raven lagoon]

If they cared about streaming performance, there's a lot they could do during the rollout, and small shows for super fans only is not one of them.

[sly hazel]

Tbh this always happens with double albums or deluxe versions, it's not really that much of a worry for artists

[compact arrow]

This would make sense but they’ve never really cared about that

[rain birch]

imagine the title change to: Trench At Best 😭

[burnt scarab]

what if it was called trench 2 nico and the goners

what if it was called freaky

freako and the edgers

[lean mango]

This is part of why I expect a single in June and album in August

It spaces them out enough to not overlap too much

[green night]

hi any leaks

[lean mango]

🎈

[brave spade]

i have a recording of the SJC co-founder speaking on it in can transfer it over to this channel

To everyone asking about the drum kit, it’s still being made

in the beginning he said “still getting some pieces together on it”

like the mvs for trench, his touring kit wasn’t completed until after the album

it’s probably going to be until the first show that we’ll get a release of any and the plain red with the signed head was for an hmv competition. taking into consideration how the company is a custom shop this is just how the process goes

[green night]

oh hey tyler

[tall lodge]

Yeah fr, they were working on this as the same time as SAI there better be at least an EP

Like 6 years should not equate to 47 minutes (at least in my opinion, ik some stuff had to be rewritten or reorganized bc of SAI)

[lean mango]

It can, and in particular, in that time people can outgrow old ideas

but I do think it's worth considering

[tall lodge]

Yeah, cause I no they ain’t spend that time on the album cover (not hating, ok maybe a lil)

[cerulean bridge]

I think it's because, like we see in Navigating, josh is just a mirage

he was never really there

[storm fable]

I find this really fascinating, he cuts himself off before saying "I can't describe it" and he "can't share the secrets"
I might just be delusional, but the way he talks really seems like there's something different about this drumkit, and that they've been told to keep super secretive by the band, cause it has elements of the new aesthetic, or clearly isn't from "clancy"

[storm fable]

Actually to add to this,
in paul meany's breakdown of overcompensate, he says it's the first song they started working on,
and then he says that was a year ago,
so clancy has only been in the works for a year, which implies whatever was worked on during sai is either scrapped, or being kept secret

[static sinew]

okey but like why didnt they order one sooner then ? also for trench the drumkit for the natn mv was ready , it just wasnt the one for tour

[tame tendon]

asking about the work done on an album before sai is what all the interviewers need to be asking 😭

like where did all that music go

[astral trout]

easy, it was scrapped

artists don't always release the music they write

sometimes they dont like it, sometimes it doesnt fit on an album, sometimes it's just gonna be saved for later

[pale harness]

yeah in the livestream tyler mentioned that a lot of songs stayed because Josh liked them; meaning that there's even more songs that never made it on the record and just didn't make the cut

[compact arrow]

Yeah but the tracks/half of the album I was talking about was finalized. Truly believe these songs are being used for Clancy pt2

[silent cairn]

I wonder how much the ending evolved.

Skyler Acord mentioned Tyler telling him the ending in his Outsiders interview.

It might not hurt to ask him what was said after we get everything.

[lean mango]

I kind of doubt this tbh. In some cases this would make sense, but here I think he's had at least some idea of where the story is going since after Trench. Songs made for that ending would both be very personal and have to fit a specific concept, and I think it's a lot less likely that he'd just scrap it all

[weak swallow]

if those songs weren’t scrapped then we would’ve got them instead of clancy

why would he spend a year making an album and then release that instead of songs that have been in the works for 6 years

why would they release the “worse” album first that they only took a year to make and then release the second album that’s been worked on for way longer when the hype would’ve died a little

[fallow violet]

uh

someone check if that really does say that

i saw that one tshirt had japanese on it

[lean mango]

It's actually hard to know lol

1 in kanji is just a long dash

But a similar character is the long vowel character

However

Google translate gives a long vowel in Clancy so I'm guessing that's the intent

[storm ether]

Nox translated it as something like Kuransii

so i'm guessing long vowel

when I used my google translate image thing on it it was just directly: Clancy

[fallow violet]

found the shirt

[storm ether]

isn't the katakana for 1 a horizontal dash?

[lean mango]

Kanji for 1 is

Long vowel character can go either direction

[storm ether]

yeah no you're right it's kanji

but that shirt is in katakana isn't it

[graceful hill]

Is there a reason there's randomly Japanese on the shirt anyway

[lean mango]

So that's almost certainly the long vowel

[graceful hill]

Or is there a shop in Japan too or something that I missed

[storm ether]

promo for japan show

idk

anyway I'm loving it because i'm a weeb

[silent cairn]

I hate it when good clothing is stuck in pop up shops.

[fallow violet]

this one was in london pretty sure it was in every pop up and theres only been 1 in london and 3 in australia

[storm ether]

I'm hoping it's the touring merch too

[silent cairn]

I really want the Clancy hat.

[storm ether]

I think the FPE event had the same merch

and that's also probably gonna be following the tour

[silent cairn]

I'm annoyed none of the clothing really has taken advantage of the Clancy pattern.

[storm ether]

I want that japanese shirt, the red hoodie with the circular clancy text around the logo, and my standard additions of poster and bandana

[storm ether]

I like this one a ton

[silent cairn]

If it's tour merch, I'll get the red hoodie, Clancy shirt, Japanese text shirt, and Clancy hat.

[graceful hill]

Oh that hoodies clean

[silent cairn]

Oh, and a poster.

[storm ether]

the horizontal clancy shirt?

[lean mango]

Anyway, I think this is the only way they could've done it that would make sense. Over the course of 6 years I'm sure they'd have music outside of the main story they want to tell. But since the main album is the finale, it has to be last. So the "outtakes," so to speak, or other music made during that time, would need to be released first. I don't think hype dying down is a concern, people are still actively speculating every day. And once we get an announcement for whatever is coming, I'm sure there will be plenty of hype. Even moreso if they have another promo cycle rather than dropping it all immediately

[silent cairn]

This shirt

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7WPnZfNuph/?img_index=10

Here's the pictures for anyone who missed them BTW.

[sly hazel]

I love that acid wash shirt with the clancy mask

[silent cairn]

Surely this cap can't be a one and done.

Hats are trickier than printing on shirts.

[storm ether]

the graffiti style hoodie is funky

I 100% think this is the touring merch

in which case I'm quite happy with it

[silent cairn]

Same.

[fallow violet]

yeah i was gonna wait for tour merch anyway

[silent cairn]

Oh, I just realized this isn't verified.

Let's move out of double album, lol. #verified-theorists

[ripe arch]

the long character means extended sound btw

if no ones already said that

[storm ether]

facecat mentioned the long vowel

[ripe arch]

ah ok

[ripe arch]

on the left it says "clancy" on the right it says "twenty one pilots"

yeah

[noble badge]

I'm 99.99% sure that's just 'Kuranshii' and not Clancy 1 😭😭

Oh I'm late sorry

Didn't scroll all the way down

[cloud lynx]

guys??

#verified-theorists ?????????????

new lore in the digital album apparently??????????????
and a ton of extra content

also this???
#verified-theorists message

and this
#verified-theorists message

120 - 95 = 25

[raven lagoon]

I'm stressed out

[cloud lynx]

like what the fuck

"clancy ultimus capitulus 25"

[cloud lynx]

right??

[fallow violet]

YUP

[raven lagoon]

I can imagine the Tyler tweet: "Oh sorry i forgor disc 2"

[cloud lynx]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[fallow violet]

and another page had 120-95 or something ITS 25 AGAIN

[raven lagoon]

Not overreacting here, but I'm 93% sure were getting another album

[lime carbon]

HELLOOOO WTF

[lime carbon]

hellloo???

what is the 120-95

[somber bear]

25

The BPM change from overcompensate

[lime carbon]

oHHHHHH

[ripe arch]

imagine the 25 just means they added 4 more pilots 💔

[fallow violet]

IT HAS THE PUZZLE THERE TOO

[karmic pumice]

IT’S TOO MUCH TO HANDLE

IM GOING TO SEE 25 EVERYWHERE

[rain birch]

AKDSJFKASFJDLKAJSDLFKJASD

[karmic pumice]

But I’m a bit confused

I mean

[rain birch]

THIS IS IT, TOP LITERALLY CONFIRMED THERES SOMETHIN ON 25

[karmic pumice]

Why 25

[cloud lynx]

it's the thing from the exhibit (or at least it is related)

but yeah

we can see it now

[sly hazel]

25th

[karmic pumice]

How could we sure it’s a date

[cloud lynx]

[karmic pumice]

Or something else

Is there anything that confirms it’s a date and not some kind of key ?

[rain birch]

can u send me the source?

[cloud lynx]

we don't have any photos from there

[fallow violet]

what arg? you mean the exhibit ?

[cloud lynx]

we just know they had a puzzle

yeah

the exhibit

sorry

[rain birch]

oh i thought u refer to dma org

[cloud lynx]

no

[rain birch]

25 could mean 25 SONGS

13 is literally the middle song if that happens

[karmic pumice]

Well there's no apparent reason for a song called Paladin Strait to be some kind of a line linking two albums

I mean

naaaah

[sly hazel]

I mean it's literally the link between trench and voldsoy

[vague jetty]

So are we leaning towards 25 meaning 12 more songs then?

June 25th is a Tuesday that would be an odd release imo

[maiden fox]

Well if it’s a full album it could be the release date of the lead single

[lean mango]

Tuesday is traditional album release day in the US

Not common anymore

[maiden fox]

I need this shirt design expeditiously

[cloud lynx]

https://vxtwitter.com/ciancyisdead/status/1795880696852132240

[fallow violet]

the whole thing translates to twenty one pilots though

[pure timber]

bruh lmao just a mistranslation

[fallow violet]

i dont think you can just pick a few symbols😭

[cloud lynx]

sounds like one

[astral trout]

it says twenty one pilots in japanese, that graphic is missing the full text

the shirt has it

[olive plume]

that’s what i get for letting twitter get my hopes up

[teal compass]

yeah this is what im getting from lense, dont know japanese but

[fallow violet]

well we still have other 25 hints so, i dont think this would change anything

[karmic pumice]

I just remembered that Blurryface will pass 10 years old next year, in 2025

[static sinew]

i think 25 by itself is weird if its meant to be june 25

like it seems like 2025

but then again waiting until after tour is weird

like its so far in advance to tease

[fallow violet]

the june thing came from the fact that there were 6 antlers

and on the pic you can still see the antlers a bit but theyre hard to see

and the pic only has the ones that were hanging on the ropes

but apparently there were more put on the table and a drum kit or something

[static sinew]

oh i see that now

[weak swallow]

josh also posted that thing the other day with 6.25

[static sinew]

true

[reef sapphire]

It's just happening tbh

[sinful reef]

is there anywhere i can find the shirt? i need it

[pale harness]

Noticed this in the digital booklet on page 108 where we see the lyrics of ATROFD

he circled the number "Two" and put a question mark on it

[storm ether]

I sent this earlier too! I wonder if he was just questioning using the word two

[odd cargo]

IIIII'MMMMM TWOOOOOOO

BE GOOOONNNEEE

[ripe arch]

imagine they play two next tour

[pure timber]

Imagine clancy 2 🔥

[lean mango]

Wasn't even on their list of songs, I commented on it lol

[fair dirge]

I'm afraid that we'll only get some lore on the 25th and not new music

[pale harness]

yeah this booklet seems like a LOT

[olive plume]

i think i’m gonna print everything out and make it into a physical booklet

[vital radish]

two and drown

[olive plume]

that is clearly a paint stain on the floor though (source: i am a painter and have a stain on my floor exactly like that)

[lime carbon]

Imo it’s the powder from the gun shot

[slate jewel]

that is paint

dried acrylics just Look like that on a carpet

[olive plume]

acrylic paint always dries darker too

[lean mango]

Anyone have the random letters Tyler tweeted again?

[lime carbon]

https://x.com/scaledand1cy/status/1795899862002585813?s=46

•Picles•Ryan• (@ScaledAnd1cy) on X

CLANCYS LAST CHAPTER (25)

Twitter · May 29, 2024, 7:27 PM

[lean mango]

I feel like Drag Path makes more sense as the 2nd track on the second half

[fair dirge]

What is this thing

[lean mango]

But I also have doubts about counting The Craving (single version) as separate, which kind of makes me doubt the acronym theory entirely

[fierce kite]

Refering to Clancy being dragged by Nico after he catches him again?

[fair dirge]

What letters 😭

[green night]

wheres this from

guys WHAT

[fallow violet]

um

[green night]

theres literally lyrics we havent heard in the book

[fallow violet]

theres been a lot

[fierce kite]

These?

[fallow violet]

its in the booklet too

[lean mango]

Yes

[fair dirge]

Oh

[green night]

how old is this

[fierce kite]

idk

[green night]

no but srsly theres lyrics in the booklet

this is alarming

[astral trout]

he tweeted it the day oc came out

[green night]

fr?

holy fuck

he wouldnt be straight forward about everything 💀

[sly hazel]

He's never straightforward about anything!

[olive plume]

he’s straightforward but he’s withholding information at the same time

[odd cargo]

josh can play piano?

[fair dirge]

What is the drag Path

[burnt scarab]

how did we get drag path

[cinder axle]

Hey guys how did we get names for those songs?

[burnt scarab]

is that from the CD unreleased thing

[cinder axle]

Upvote balungua

[slate jewel]

double album truthers are being fed tonight

[burnt scarab]

my yesterday prediction going crazy

also did we ever figure out what it said on Tyler’s swearshirt in vignette

[fair dirge]

I bet it says "Josh my best friend" or sth

[burnt scarab]

lol

[lean mango]

Pretty sure it says that, yea

[lime carbon]

Yus

[fair dirge]

What CD unreleased thing 👉👈

[lime carbon]

I mean tbh what i sent here from twitter, i really dont believe that drag path is gonna be tha last song as well as that letter sequence being associated with more songs till we hit 25

[lime carbon]

They releaced digital cd thing with pdf file containing 121 pages filled with diff visuals, original lyrics, pictures and so on as well as 4 songs performed during an evening with top

[fair dirge]

Oh

[fast quarry]

Hey what did I miss

Where did we get drag path

[lime carbon]

https://store.warnermusic.com.au/products/clancy-digital-remains

[fast quarry]

I bought the thing I just didn't look closely

[lime carbon]

There are lyrics for a song drag path

[fast quarry]

Wait wtf

[lime carbon]

Forgot on what page tho

[fast quarry]

Where

[lime carbon]

Yeah it’s a scraped song tho i guess

ORRR we’re getting it ok 6/25 hehehe

[burnt scarab]

https://store.twentyonepilots.com/products/digital-remains

mb

discord yucky

[lime carbon]

All g

[fast quarry]

Oh i found it

[fast quarry]

Me when I fucking LIE HIS ASS IS NEVER STRAIGHTFORWARD

[green night]

honestly it could literally be called Clancy (Ultimate Chapter)

ive seen bands name their album continuations (Deluxe) or also (The Complete Edition) and so on

[fair dirge]

So digital remains is digital album + booklet?

[weak swallow]

and the live songs from an evening with twenty one pilots

so technically a deluxe

[fair dirge]

Please Tyler don't say that this is the only deluxe album we get

[green night]

i saw somewhere that its genuinely regarded as a deluxe

idk if its real tho

if it is well that means that whatever is coming is not a deluxe

which is a good sign

[weak swallow]

i mean there could still be two deluxe versions

[green night]

nahh thatd be confusing

[weak swallow]

this one won’t get put on streaming though so not really

[burnt scarab]

how do we get to those

[fast quarry]

Did you buy the thing

[burnt scarab]

no

oh

nvm

forgot it was a digital album

[compact arrow]

So we’re my suspicions true?

Sorry been traveling all day

[burnt scarab]

yes

[green night]

in case anyone hasnt been following the chat

twenty one pilots are renaming to twenty five pilots

youre welcome

[cloud lynx]

hey

do we actually believe in the acronym theory?

i'm quite skeptical of it, yet it makes sense? like, it fits

[green night]

im sort of sold on it but not completely

[lean mango]

I think it's a stretch because it assumes both versions of The Craving are counted separately

[green night]

whats really interesting though is that it happened on oc release day

[cloud lynx]

The Craving (Single) is not part of the acronym tho

it's just the "14th" track of this era, for now

[lean mango]

Ye, but it doesn't total 25 without it

[cloud lynx]

maybe i misunderstood what u said

[lean mango]

I like the idea of Redecorate being 14 as the album "precursor," but it's a bit weird because it has the overt Scaled and Icy reference in the lyrics

[cloud lynx]

i'd still personally count it tbh

[lean mango]

IDK if Tyler would, I'd take it as 25 album tracks rather than tracks of the era

[green night]

would overcompensate (edit) count

[cloud lynx]

yeah maybe

[cloud lynx]

not rly

[fair dirge]

What is this

[pale harness]

Paladin Strait lyric book photo

.

[rain birch]

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, maybe the reason why drag path has inverted colors because the song will be on the other album??

[lean mango]

Hmmmmm

[pale harness]

Idk after this pdf drop im more and more convinced we're not getting new music

[pure timber]

I thought it was more cause it was cancelled

[lean mango]

Why's that?

[pale harness]

Because these are obviously scrapped songs

artists scrap songs so often

[lean mango]

I don't think that's obvious

We don't really have a way of knowing if Drag Path is scrapped or just not released yet

[rain birch]

what about CLANCY ULTIMUS CAPITULUS 25?

[pale harness]

the lyrics are fully crossed out in the photos

[pure timber]

There’s clearly something that’s gonna come the last or 2nd to last page of the pdf is clancy final chapter indicating it’s not over yet

[pale harness]

Im sure something is coming but new music is unlikely imo

[lean mango]

What would be the purpose of sharing Drag Path at all if it was just scrapped? Why that and not other scrapped songs?

[silent cairn]

I believe in new music, but a new album next month is ehhh...

Maybe a 14th track though

A second album I could see in the Fall or next year

[pale harness]

Maybe because it was one of the few that was actually planned to be on the album and then later (closer to release) decided to drop it

if we were getting any type of music in less than a few months time it would've been leaked already (at least track names)

[lean mango]

I'm still dying on the hill of an August album

[silent cairn]

2025 could make sense

[olive plume]

the tracklist for clancy didn’t leak until the day of or the day before iirc?

[silent cairn]

Record MVs in the Summer of that year and a new tour in the Fall

[storm fable]

2025 only makes sense if it's after the tour, if we're getting new music I'd expect it to either be completely before, or completely after the tour

[lean mango]

Not if nothing's been sent out yet. If there's just a single coming on June 25th, an album tracklist would be unlikely to leak until at least the week before that or so

[fallow violet]

the amount of times this effect is used on the artwork for this album...

double-gunshot

[rain birch]

maybe they already shoot the mv in double album before, we never know

[weak swallow]

overcompensate wasn’t leaked at all lol

clancy was so well hidden people thought we were getting a full album on the 29th

[silent cairn]

There'd be low budget MVs being shot for next month

Some of which would be in public

[green night]

what if its the same for 6/25

[weak swallow]

hype would be completely dead by that point

[green night]

single on 6/25

all over again

[lean mango]

My theory

[silent cairn]

A single is not out of the question

[weak swallow]

hype would be dead if they did another release date

[olive plume]

unless they filmed those videos first/in iceland

[silent cairn]

An album then is a no no though

[lean mango]

I personally think a whole album coming next month is unlikely

[weak swallow]

an album past 6/25 is impossible

[lean mango]

Why?

[weak swallow]

clancy is the last album in the story

they’ve said this

so any extension to clancy has to be soon

otherwise it’s just its own album

way after the fact

[silent cairn]

I could the Paladin MV could make it obvious it's part 1

[weak swallow]

they’re not going to announce an album that everyone thinks will end the story

[lean mango]

Nah, how they brand it matters more than the timing

[weak swallow]

and then just randomly decide

oh yeah lol wait another year

but buy this filler album in the mean time !!

[lean mango]

August isn't that far

[weak swallow]

(the ending is done btw but you’re waiting anyway)

[lean mango]

Especially if there are multiple singles before it

[silent cairn]

Endgame came a year after Inifinity War

[weak swallow]

nobody likes waiting

[silent cairn]

Hype was still high

[fair dirge]

Same

[weak swallow]

because endgame wasn’t finished and it added to the time gap that endgame had

[lean mango]

I'm fine waiting if they keep making the wait interesting

[weak swallow]

one year after that cliffhanger felt like 5 which is how long passed in canon

[weak swallow]

and they absolutely did not make the wait interesting for clancy

[silent cairn]

There's absolutely not another 11 MVs or whatever shot right now

[lean mango]

I think a single per 3-4 weeks leading up to August would be plenty

[lean mango]

I disagree

[weak swallow]

never been less content for an album rollout lol

terrible merch terrible ads and randomly announcing singles the week before

[silent cairn]

They struggled to make release day with what we got ready

[fathom charm]

I have to agree on this

[weak swallow]

the clancy rollout was terrible

[silent cairn]

That much I agree on

[weak swallow]

amazing start that nosedived into 0 content after promising something every week

[fathom charm]

It started good until oc then it became less good

[silent cairn]

Best TOP album, worst rollout

[lean mango]

That rollout was just standard for many artists

[olive plume]

because they were too busy making sure the second set of music videos were already done and ready 😔 (i’m coping)

[weak swallow]

but we were promised something every thursday

[lean mango]

Were we?

[weak swallow]

not something huge but i expected more than tyler posting every song they’ve made written down

yeah

[silent cairn]

14 MVs is a lot of work.

[fathom charm]

Hell yeaaah

[weak swallow]

mark said he’s aiming for content every thursday

[weak swallow]

they should’ve filmed them months ago

those mv seemed so last minute

[lean mango]

They did, mostly

[weak swallow]

yeah but the mv production feels so rushed

they should’ve had these ready and they just didn’t

which led to 0 content for us

[lean mango]

Anyway, if you think 3 months is too big a gap with teasers and singles in the middle, idk what they could possibly do to satisfy you. Like, in the hypothetical situation that the double album is certain

[trail igloo]

What.? Where was this?

[weak swallow]

before ns came out

[silent cairn]

Actually, I wonder if they could take advantage of tour traveling for MVs.

[lean mango]

An album after 1 month is basically out of the question, if it's not a double album on release then spacing it out too little will damage the reach of both albums

[silent cairn]

It'd give them access to different areas low budget MVs couldn't afford.

[lean mango]

August also makes the most sense with the tour timing

[weak swallow]

but then there’s 0 content between now and then

they most likely won’t do singles

double albums are usually surprises that just drop out of nowhere

[lean mango]

They don't have to be

If there's a 3 month gap they're not likely to be

[green night]

idk why it would be damaging to release an album a month later

whats the problem

[weak swallow]

clancy already didn’t do the best 😭

it would make more sense to push a random surprise album on the 25th

[lean mango]

Charting and hype cycle issues

[weak swallow]

gets people to listen to clancy more

and this new album

if another album is released in august then hype for clancy is 100% dead

[lean mango]

If people are focused on new music, they listen less to the previous music even if it's still new

[green night]

also they are making the wait interesting literally right now lmao

[lean mango]

That's just not how it works