Double Album Confirmed

[coral willow]

Just a small observation here but Columbus’ area code is 614. I feel it’s likely we might get the Paladin mv or something on that date. It’s a Friday!

[wind hill]

june 7th

[coral willow]

How are we so certain it’s June 7th for the mv? I’m genuinely curious. Either way, I do feel like June 14th will be significant.

[lean mango]

I don't think there's any particular reason to assume they'd use the Columbus area code

[coral willow]

If there’s two things we know for certain, it’s that these guys love Columbus and they love Ohio. They dedicated an entire song on Clancy to the Midwest - specifically Ohio. They’ve always done something a little extra special for Columbus at their hometown shows and plenty other reasons, so I kindly disagree fren.

[odd cargo]

those mfs got slowtown 😭

[wraith gulch]

Not certain about it equaling MV, but there’s a merch drop preorder on their site for June 7 which corresponds with “early June”

[coral willow]

Ahhh I see. June is gonna be lit no matter what!

[left kite]

Is this guy a genius? Paladin Strait is also the space between Dema and Voldsoy...

[lean mango]

If there's a double album, this name is most likely imo

[ripe arch]

imagine rab remaster and its just called voldsoy

voldsoy at best 🔥

[wraith gulch]

Someone else suggested Voldsoy for the same reason way up in this thread and yeah I agree that’s the most likely candidate

[odd cargo]

rab remaster now

[graceful hill]

VOLD

SOY

[fallow violet]

i dont think it would get its own name

[lean mango]

RAB remaster or double album?

[ember sinew]

Where are Clancy and Torchbearer at the end of Navigating MV ? Voldsoy ? Trench ? Somewhere else ?

[lean mango]

If the latter, it could

[fallow violet]

both tbh

[lean mango]

Double albums can be anything from a double-length album to basically two separate albums that go together

[fallow violet]

follow up from oc, so for sure back in trench

[ember sinew]

Bc idk it doesn’t look like Trench to me, but also doesn’t look like what we saw of Voldsoy

[lean mango]

But I def don't think a RAB remaster would get a different name

[ember sinew]

Alright, assuming they’re already back in Trench, why is the ending named Paladin Strait ? Is that not what gets them from Voldsoy to Trench ?

Bc I thought the MVs were actually in the right lore timeline order

[lean mango]

Ye, it would be weird to have a song about swimming the Paladin Strait if he's already done it

[ember sinew]

Yup, exactly

[fallow violet]

i think that just sums up this album being a journey to the final battle, it serves as a good metaphor for what he had to overcome to come to this moment

[ember sinew]

Bc idk about you but the songs feels like it’s happening like in the current present, like it’s litteraly an adventure, in opposition of Navigating which feels like a song that happened “in the past” , idk if I’m clear

[fallow violet]

yeah because navigating isnt a strictly lore heavy song, whereas paladin is. but navigating fit well with what they wanted to show in the music video (the torchbearer reveal)

[ember sinew]

Well yea, maybe PS actually takes place during 2 different time periods. “I WOULD swim the Paladin Strait” - “On the top of the tower I FIND Nico blahblahblah”

[ember sinew]

Yeah I agree

[lean mango]

I don't really agree about that, the song is all about the journey apart from the very end of it. And even that part is about the end of the journey. The song doesn't really touch on the final confrontation at all until the very end, and it's not written like he's referring to something in the past

[fallow violet]

yeah it definitely depicts that journey

[fallow violet]

i basically said the same thing tho like this is what i mean too 😭

[lean mango]

Yes, but you implied it was covering something that happened in the past from a present perspective, that's what I don't agree with

[fallow violet]

it does depict the journey to the final confrontation, which isnt on the song

[ember sinew]

Also, I don’t remember if anyone talked about this earlier in the convo, but why does Josh have Clancy’s mask ? It feels weird to me. Was Josh in Dema the whole time ? How did he get his hands on it ? And why does Clancy have this Black/red outfit if the bishops can’t see the color yellow ? It’s so weird idk

[fallow violet]

i meant that more as a meaning of what its meant to represent. but yeah if you look at what the lyrics say it is depicting the journey in present tense, and it goes all the way to the confrontation itself. the songs in the lore have never really been strong in terms of chronology tbfh.

[ember sinew]

And the fact both of the outfits are shown in Navigating… hmm… does the moment by the fire with the Black/red outfits take place AFTER he finds Torchbearer or before ?

[fallow violet]

like in blurryface you have hds in the very beginning but because of the music video it serves the purpose of the last song before trench

[lean mango]

But HDS is the last single. While the songs may not be in chronological order lore-wise, I think the videos generally are, based on the order they're released

[teal compass]

It’s kinda unclear but there’s implication that that’s supposed to be them seizing again, we see them dancing around the bonfire in their seizing outfits which for torchbearer at least isn’t actually a real set of clothing and they both drop dead on the ground at the end of the song

Clancy never actually uses the antlers which is weird but maybe it’s after he meets up with the banditos, could also be something related to the small show question that hints at a new way of seizing maybe clancys doing it without meaning to or realizing

Those bonfire scenes specifically have been on my mind a lot because of that idk

[ember sinew]

Ooh okay yea I see

So big fire means seizing

I’m a simple man

What small show are you talking about ?

Overcompensate ?

[green night]

idk why people think well get a rab remaster or remastered rab songs on the double album

it makes no sense lmao

if theyre gonna do it then in a few years time maybe or something

[lean mango]

Ye, agreed

[teal compass]

Oh sorry, for the album rollout they’ve done a series of 5 small shows around the world, and have asked small lore based questions to get ticket access.

One of the questions was “Raising these above your head was originally thought to be the only way to seize available vessels, something Clancy was gifted before leaving the island of Voldsøy.” Which with that “originally thought to be the only way” is hinting to us about a new method of seizing coming into the story

[ember sinew]

Ooooooooh okay i missed that one !! I have done the others but not the Voldsøy one !!

[green night]

why would voldsoy be the name tho

other than the rotation thing

[teal compass]

Wait what do you mean?

[green night]

this

[lean mango]

Norwegian for Island of Violence I believe

Migraine reference

Oh, I misunderstood that lol

For the album, I think it would be because Voldsoy is at the crux of the story. It's the turning point for Clancy and is likely going to be very important and relevant lore-wise, even to the finale, since there's still a lot we don't know about it

And it's the origin of the ability Clancy will use to fight the bishops

[zinc pendant]

Guys in overcompensate tyler says that he did 300 tracks. But he only showed us 90. We will be getting 210 more soon!!!

[compact arrow]

I’ve narrowed it down to 2 things. Either PS MV is a mini movie or PS is a bit long of a video (10 ish minutes) along side an EP (Clancy PT 2, Inferno, Hello Clancy).

[green night]

16 more albums guys!!!! im so excited

[green night]

yeah personally i think there is no paladin mv but a short film containing all of paladin + the new music, all serving as background music for the whole fight

[trail vigil]

That would be wild

[storm ether]

One of the bandito citizens in OC probably brought TB the clancy hood

[left kite]

Dude using stems from old songs that go along with the scene

[lean mango]

I'm actually 100% convinced of a double album now for a lot of reasons, probably won't go into them unprompted though because I feel like it's getting to a point of a lot of talking in circles. But if anyone wants to hear my points gathered in one place I can share 'em

one important one, though, which I've never heard mentioned yet

People have explained the tour starting 3 months after the album release as happening because of Tyler's newborn, but if that was the case, why didn't they just delay the album 3 months? They knew he was coming even before the release date was announced

[distant beacon]

Cause they wanted to release it on May 17th.

BF release

9 years,

Cycle?

He’s not gonna delay the whole album release for his kid…

[cloud lynx]

A tour maybe, but an album... yeah no, i don't think they'd delay it that much

or even at all

[lean mango]

why not? An album is easier to delay

heck, this release cycle shows this

[distant beacon]

Both are easy to delay

[lean mango]

but once people buy tickets, those dates are set

[cloud lynx]

but why would they delay it for 3 months bc of a baby?

[lean mango]

they can be changed but not without a huge amount of coordination with all the venues

[distant beacon]

They normally do decently large tour gaps anyway

SAI had a 4 ish month gap

[cloud lynx]

SAI was an exception i think

[distant beacon]

Trench was the shortest I think

Regardless he wouldn’t delay tour 3 months for a SECCOND album if he didn’t delay it the first time lol

[lean mango]

Trench and Blurryface started same month or even were already happening simultaneously, SAI is of course a different case because of the pandemic

[lean mango]

wym

[cloud lynx]

(they weren't even sure they were gonna tour SAI)

[distant beacon]

What I’m saying is he wouldn’t have planned 3 month spacing for a second album at that point, if the spacing is JUST so they can release a second album

[lean mango]

Why not?

[distant beacon]

SAI was never meant to be a tour album imo

[cloud lynx]

i totally believe the baby reason, but i think we do have clues that they might also use it for smth else

[distant beacon]

The first 4 - 6 months of a child’s development are SUPER important

For a parent to be there as much as possible

[lean mango]

Yea, I don't really get your point though

Tour dates are already set, I'm saying I don't buy the reason that they're three months after the album only because of the baby

[distant beacon]

The ONLY other reason I could see is he wants to be available for festivals and or other promo stuff too.

I can’t believe a lot of the double album reasoning here

[lean mango]

well, if you want to hear my full reasoning I can give it, it's a lot more than just that

that's one minor thing that I think is just another thing pointing in that direction

out of many, many things

[distant beacon]

Give me a reason and I’ll see if I can debunk it

I’ve heard like 30 reasons so far

[compact arrow]

I could easily see this.

Also the hello Clancy isn’t in the lyric book

So definitely something being cooked.

[distant beacon]

I’m in the short film camp for the ending of this story, now if they wanna do a second ep a year or so down the line as an epilogue, cool.

[lime carbon]

oh wait......

[lime carbon]

tbh i'm still 100% sure it's bc of the baby, man, raising a child first months ain't easy, especially that they have 2 more

[teal compass]

they just had junie while trying to pump out sai from scratch in the middle of the pandemic though and rosie was still a toddler, i dont see how just tommy could have impacted the era so harshly compared to junie plus the entire pandemic

the tour thing i do agree with, the gap is for the baby, but i also dont think the seeming lack of conclusion narrative wise is

[distant beacon]

Oh I definitely don’t think that either

[lean mango]

Bear in mind with Tommy, he only waited two months after Junie was born to tour more. Not to say he'd want to do the same again

[distant beacon]

Again I think them waiting on the final mv is due to them wanting to build hype

[lean mango]

but for me that's enough to say I can't be certain that the baby is the only reason

Touring musicians have a hard life but they also learn to juggle that, and after three children, they're definitely experienced at that

Before I send my reasoning, I'll preface it with, yea, I know it can be debunked or explained in other ways, but there's no possible way to make an argument that definitively proves the double album theory, we just don't have confirmation

people who want to see it as unlikely will find arguments against any possible evidence for it, and the same goes for people who want to see it as likely

That said, I'm trying to genuinely take a step back and consider everything here, and try to eliminate my own biases, so I've done my best to only include things which I genuinely think are a bit too much to be a coincidence or not mean anything

[wraith gulch]

I mean. It doesn’t have to be just one singular reason (the tour delay). It could be both. If they have an extra song or two or more, the delay could be to slow roll that stuff intentionally so that Tyler can stay home longer for his kid. So it benefits both. He gets to stay home, and the fans receive a slow drip of continued, planned content while waiting for tour.

And if the ending is indeed just Paladin, that could also be part of the reason for delaying its release. Slow drip of content for the fans to fill in the longer-than-usual gap between album and tour so that Tyler can be at home longer.

[lean mango]

---- ok, my reasoning ----
-First of all, we have all of the teasers from Tyler saying that the final battle takes place after Clancy, emphasizing that Paladin Strait is not the end, and heck, he even named the closing track on the album after the in-between between Voldsoy and Dema.
-Obviously he could choose to end the album here and resolve the storyline outside of the album, but why would he choose to do that over making a satisfying conclusion within the album? He could've easily chosen to end it with a song about the final confrontation, rather than ending with a song leading up to the confrontation and then having an extended music video that covers that without music specifically made to go with it. He's also gone out of his way to debunk the idea that Paladin is just meant to give the story an ambiguous ending.
-But he's said in the past that the next album would be the end of the storyline, and we can see here that Clancy isn't that end.
-He's also been emphasizing, almost like he's trying to call attention to it, the fact that Clancy has only been worked on in the past year, and some aspects are very rushed and last-minute, such as the music video thing and even the final song selection. He's said that some of the most lore-heavy songs on the album were almost not even included, and are only there because Josh convinced him. This is while also emphasizing that he's trying to be very intentional about how the story is conveyed, that he wants to get every detail right.

-Overcompensate starts by talking about "300 tracks," which even if it isn't literal, implies that there's a lot we haven't heard and might never hear. Most importantly, it emphasizes that he has been working on a lot of music over the past years. We also know from the timeframe of Scaled and Icy that he does have the ability to put together a solid album in a relatively short timeframe, and still make it special, high-quality, unique, and relevant to the story. This is in addition to the fact that we know an unreleased album was being worked on before SAI, whether they ended up scrapping that or recycling it or not, and this is basically confirmed to be separate from what became Clancy, because of the past year timeframe stuff.
-Clancy, the album that is supposed to end the story and be the most lore-heavy, barely progresses at all past what we've seen in The Outside. It's almost like a training montage. We've gotten a lot more information, and we've seen a lot of prep, but nothing much more has happened in terms of actual major events, which is a big contrast to the previous albums in the storyline, including SAI. (There's also discrepancies between the sound they kind of implied it would have, and what it actually is, but that's maybe too subjective so I'm not considering it here.)

-So what if he originally never intended to make Clancy at all? What if it, like Scaled and Icy, ended up being put together out of music he was working on during the production of the final album, and is intended to fill in more context and lore details to bridge the gap?

Other important things to consider:
-They've heavily used purple lighting at the small shows, and we've seen in the past that they're very intentional about their lighting colors
-The tour doesn't start until three months after Clancy releases, which has not been the case before besides with SAI, which was obviously an exception.
-There's no opener on tour, which, if they were putting out an additional album, would pretty much be a necessary choice in order to have time to play the new music they want to play
-This could explain many weird aspects of the promotion, if they're saving a lot of the promo budget for after the reveal
-And this is all in addition to the more on-the-nose clues like all the teasers of something additional coming

-Tyler historically goes way over the top for his ideas and isn't afraid to do things no other bands do, in order to make his ideas really special

[fallow violet]

i don’t like the short movie idea at all i want the story to be told through music. maybe they can execute it well but the idea of it sounds off to me, they’re musicians first and foremost still

[vague jetty]

I agree, tell it through the music. Have a short movie to accompany it.

[wraith gulch]

To me there are a hundred little possible clues for more lore-based music whether that’s one song or 10, each individually doesn’t necessarily make the case but they form a puzzle which is taking that shape. However, the moment Tyler said during the livestream—“you tell me. Does this sound like the end?” is literally him telling us there is more to come.

The FPE hint is number two behind that on my list. But him saying that bit at the end of the livestream with that smirk is as direct of a clue as we have received so far.

[fallow violet]

literally both the double album and short movie ideas sound super off to me like i just know there’s hints to something more but i literally can’t begin to fully guess what it is

[lean mango]

Another thing I haven't heard mentioned yet is, if it's a double album, June 25th isn't necessarily the release date

it could be a first single date, with another in July, and another leading up to an album release in early August

this would give space to process and enjoy Clancy, while also keeping up the steady build of the hype and bringing it to a climax right at the start of the tour

[graceful hill]

That'd be cool

[zinc pendant]

A big counterargument is that there is no leaks of any additional songs

[graceful hill]

Why would there be

There were no song leaks until the second single of clancy

[lean mango]

The leak happened when people started getting physical copies / mini leak of Next Semester when fans were involved in the music video

[graceful hill]

Someone leaked the whole song

[zinc pendant]

Yeah but the additional songs are expected to be released in ~2 weeks (with paladin strait mv)

[lean mango]

Ye, but radio stations were getting promo copies then I'm sure

[wraith gulch]

I think they will release extra songs via YouTube which keeps them completely in control. And then depending on how many extra songs, physical copies could come later.

[lean mango]

I don't think so

General theory is that the Paladin MV would announce the additional songs and they'd come after

presumably June 25th

I'm more set on the 2nd album cycle theory w/ only a single coming then

[wraith gulch]

Specifically if it’s a multi-part extended thing I think it’ll be a livestream on YouTube to hide the length leading up to it (as opposed to a video premiere where you can see the length)

[lean mango]

But ye, either way leaks generally happen under very specific circumstances, such as physical copies or radio/press people getting copies

which usually happens within a week or two of release

[cloud lynx]

i gotta be honest

i like the idea of a double album era tbh

or even an EP

[graceful hill]

Same

[lean mango]

I'd like it too, but do I think it's likely?

absolutely! sorry fellas, I'm too far gone

[rain birch]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, what if after the paladin song stops, they will have many remix of many old twenty one pilots songs whent the battle happens??

[weak swallow]

that would be so corny i’m ngl

[static sinew]

i mean we know ned saw torchbearer on voldsoy from cozy fireplace letter

[teal compass]

Tbf the Neds seem to also be not entirely physical in the same way, Ned just disappears entirely when he hands over the antlers. It’s possible there’s more of a connection between the two just like with them and seizing

[trail vigil]

Is there a reason I'm not getting for Lavish being mispelt in your role?

[static sinew]

check announcements channel

its bounce man orange

i should buy something else tho lavish is my second least favorite of clancy

the whole point of bounce man orange role was repping bounce man smh

[trail vigil]

I know that, I'm just wondering why it's Lavaish instead of Lavish

[static sinew]

bounce man is in my top 3 for sai

[static sinew]

lava. like lava

lava is orange

[trail vigil]

Ah I see

[static sinew]

lava-ish in color

[trail vigil]

Didn't pick up on the pun haha

[static sinew]

okay should be better now

doesnt match my sun vibe :/

[rain birch]

IMAGINE THE DOUBLE ALBUM HAS RAB SONGS IN IT REMASTERED

[odd cargo]

fr

[olive plume]

clear 🙏🙏🙏

[sly hazel]

I like this theory ngl
Especially if they had most of the stuff already prepared for the second album because it was in the works before Clancy it'd be a smooth roll out and would also make sense as to why this roll out has felt kinda off in some ways

[rain birch]

man, the more I read the double album theory, the more I'm at the risk of feeling disappointed if that didn't happen

[weak swallow]

yeah a lot of people need to taper their expectations lol

or a lot of people are going to be very disappointed when they don’t get a paladin music video cliffhanger that announces 30 track album all with very lore heavy music videos called clancys return to voldsoy seized for ep nico and the niners

[versed lagoon]

This time is personal hahaa

[rain birch]

but the paladin strait ending really make me thing theres more, theres no way they ending the story with the cycle theme, why are they showing in the "I Am clancy" this, if its not to break the cycle

[silent cairn]

while I'm not saying people shouldn't be careful to avoid putting too much stock in things, tyler did likely knowingly throw fuel into the double album fire

[weak swallow]

because the story is about “cycles and trying to break them”

it’s very possible the story ends without the cycle breaking

[sly hazel]

Oh Tyler has been actively teasing something so I think it's okay to be excited for more
I'm just not fully betting on an actual album

[crimson slate]

i believe we may all be at the risk of feeling dumb

[rain birch]

Even though Clancy are past the point of no return?

[weak swallow]

yeah it would just show that you cannot break the cycle

that lyric isnt saying the cycle is already broken it’s saying now i have to try and break the cycle

and he might just fail to break it

[weak swallow]

but something doesn’t necessarily mean more music

[lean mango]

But that doesn't make sense for the metaphor of Dema, that would be sending a message that depression is hopeless and can never be overcome

[weak swallow]

he’s right that paladin strait doesn’t sound like the ending and it could just mean that we get more video after the song is over

[weak swallow]

previous albums have been about overcoming whatever mental health struggle you have but clancy is about living with it and pushing on through

[lean mango]

I agree, but it's not that you can never break the cycle, it's just that you can't get a clean break without some aspect of it lingering

[weak swallow]

i agree 100% that an ending like that would be incredibly hopeless but i never expected clancy to be so hopeless as well lol

there’s like 2 songs on this album that portray struggle as having any hope to it

compared to every other album where mental health was always talked about as something to overcome and fight rather than just live with

even oldies station which is imo the most hopeful song just says you’ll have to live with it but eventually you won’t mind

[lean mango]

I don't think that was the message tbh. There's a big difference between trying to "cure" depression vs. learning to survive it. I think the message is that while you can't make it go away fully, you can get to a point where it barely affects you anymore. And I think that's a lot different than just giving it up or not trying to make it better

And I think that's been fairly constant through their music

Leave The City was about a similar idea, so was Truce

[weak swallow]

but even leave the city is so incredibly hopeful

leave the city is saying i can’t find the strength to make it better now but eventually i will be okay

[lean mango]

I don't see Oldies Station as any less hopeful than Leave The City

In fact I see it almost as more hopeful, because he's living that now

His "eyes have adjusted," so to speak

I don't think the "push on through" is saying he's still as deep in depression as he was

Just that problems are always going to arise, and that's a part of life

And handling them is a skill that develops over time

[weak swallow]

i much prefer that interpretation to mine lol

[wraith gulch]

And if you push through you’ll find amazing things ahead such as being at your daughters dance recital someday

The whole last bit is all hopeful

Red lights won’t bother you, your favorite song is on the radio, and you’re present for your future family’s important moments.

If you keep pushing through the bad times it will eventually get better.

[green night]

idk honestly i think new music is more likely

[ember sinew]

Am I the only one thinking about the double album theory 24/7 bc of this group chat ?

Like…. Tyler implies so many things and he knows we’ll talk about it the way we do

Only he knows what’s about to happen but we also know him for never letting us down with our expectations, and right now, he gave us a lot to think about

I’m SO sure he’s actually regularly peeking at the group chat like “hehe I knew it, keep thinking mfs”

[cloud lynx]

tyler if u see this...

u little silly guy >:(

hurting our poor little brains

(but whatever u're cooking is gonna be great 🔥)

[ember sinew]

In fact ykw, let’s boycott Tyler. (I am in serious pain and having a brain trauma)

[green night]

i dont know where he learned these gatekeeping skills but man he really overcompensated here

[crimson slate]

he got a little too comfy after we finished the LOC arg so fast

[green night]

yeah fr

[fathom charm]

thats what i hope, like, i think if he sees how many people is thinking about the double album after the livestream, then he would like say something not to get our hopes up

[green night]

gave us just enough information to make some really grand theories but none of them are able to be confirmed in any way before something new happens

[fathom charm]

maybe thats stupid but i do hope so he would say something if there wouldnt be anything big xdd

[green night]

idk if he actually looks in here

hes probably looked in hometown already

[fathom charm]

i dunno, but i guess we are not the only ones

[weak swallow]

he does he’s made jokes about things that are jokes in here

[green night]

he peeked in here before so itd make sense if he did after the release to see if people like the album

[fathom charm]

but i have no idea, im only active on dc regarding top

[green night]

he for sure peeked in # theories too

[weak swallow]

he definitely looks in verified theories or gets someone to

[fathom charm]

great

[green night]

hes actually still in this server

[weak swallow]

he’s probably most active on twitter though

[ember sinew]

It would make sense. It doesn’t want us to get high hopes for nothing and we all know he’s constantly watching what the clique is commenting and theorizing… he definitely would tell us if there wasn’t much more to come

[fallow violet]

just when we thought tyler isnt being cryptic this era he starts doing this

[fathom charm]

thats great you guys, im sure he wouldnt have said does it sound like the end if he didnt want us to think there is more music

[weak swallow]

he was cryptic from the start when he posted that key smash lol

[green night]

idk

the theories make sense but were still coming up with them ourselves

[weak swallow]

then he went back and tweeted something that made people even more suspicious

[green night]

why didnt he delete it lmaoo

[weak swallow]

he deleted both tweets which just made everyone even more sus 😭

[green night]

💀

nah its probably nothing

[fathom charm]

i cant with these two, and they are making us wait until juneeeeeee

[weak swallow]

again i honestly don’t think him saying “does this sound like the end” is 100% referencing new music coming

paladin strait literally just isn’t an ending

so if there’s no music it could just be saying there’s more to the video

[fathom charm]

yeees but if i would him i wouldnt say that afer seeing many people theorise about double albums

ooor i dont know

maybe

[weak swallow]

a minute added on to the end of it like in the outside

[green night]

imagine if the answer is simply yes.

[fathom charm]

im fine with that too tbh

[weak swallow]

i think that’s what the answer will be and so many people will be disappointed in something that was never confirmed at all 💀

[fathom charm]

well not only a minute more plsssss

[weak swallow]

from the ending of ps it could just loop back into blurryface

[fathom charm]

if there is no music i want a long ass video

[fallow violet]

i thought it was just the mv until he said what he said on the livestream

[graceful hill]

Fr

[fathom charm]

well yeaaah

[weak swallow]

which would also answer the his question of “is this the end” because it would just be the beginning of a new cycle

[green night]

nahh

there is something big coming

100%

[fathom charm]

a cycle doesnt have an end fongdfjksgndjkavgrea

[weak swallow]

yeah exactly

it’s never ending so it’s not the end

it can never end

[fathom charm]

oh boy

[weak swallow]

it’s not the ending because it’s a cycle and a new one just began

[green night]

that would make sense if everything that was anticipated happened

theres been no big fight

they didnt create an "inferno" as they said

[weak swallow]

josh did say the ending would make us argue 💀💀💀💀

[green night]

and the song cuts in the middle of a dialogue lmaooo

[fallow violet]

like he was addressing people who are going to be listening to the song for the first time with "does this sound like the end" the answer is no it doesnt

[fathom charm]

thats true

[green night]

plus

[weak swallow]

it was a fakeout ending too

[fathom charm]

thats true too!

[weak swallow]

the birds playing and the release date for paladin strait being revealed

[green night]

theres ambient sounds at the very end of paladin as if theyre outside and they fade really quickly/almost cut after "hello clancy"

[weak swallow]

then the release date disappearing going into the final verse

[cloud lynx]

maybe some people from his team or close to him might send him screenshots from the server lmao
i think especially Mark

[green night]

yeah mark lurks in here for sure

[cloud lynx]

yup yup

[green night]

mark does everything lmaooo

[cloud lynx]

i even think they've already said that

[fallow violet]

people are taking this too literally though. he literally said the fans are going to be satisfied with the conclusion once "everything is said and done with the album". and that people are gonna have discussions with their friends about it most likely. which is what you do with every story out there

[fathom charm]

thank god we have a mark

[cloud lynx]

we love u mark

[green night]

we have a mark

[green night]

yeah i think argue probably just means discussing it because if ones things certain, its that its gonna be an eventful ending

i dont think its about the very nature of the ending, whether thats how it shouldve ended or not

[fallow violet]

yep exactly. people are going to "argue" over interpretations regardless. i dont think he meant it negatively

[weak swallow]

i’d hope they wouldn’t leave it totally ambiguous but i can definitely see the ending having multiple interpretations that isn’t fully concrete

and i feel like an extra section onto paladin strait could make that happen easily

if they want a concrete non ambiguous ending than there has to be more music 100%, there are way too many questions left open right now to be wrapped up in a music video

but if they want to leave the ending with maybe a few possible interpretations then ps mv could do that easily

[lean mango]

One thing occurred to me about the FPE hint

It's already been mentioned that it's in the dative form, so "Clancy's Final Chapter"

But this could be referring to Clancy the character rather than the album

And I think the surrounding dma.org pages hint towards this

[weak swallow]

im just stumped as to what the 25 means

if it’s not a release date then i have no ideas

[lean mango]

I think it probably is a release date for something

Has anyone tried going to the original found page and literally just sandwiching the code between 2 and 5?

[weak swallow]

i don’t think so

but we have a bot in the server that shows any updates for dmaorg so id imagine any new pages would be shown on that

[green night]

it isnt

its nominative

[lean mango]

Ye, doesn't work

Huh, so it is just Clancy Final Chapter then?

[green night]

now im not completely certain that it isnt ill admit, but i do know that its definitely nominative or that it can be

dative would look different im somewhat sure

[green night]

yes

[lean mango]

I think it would end in o if it was dative unless it's originally ultimum

[green night]

ahh ye thats right

its ultimus capitulus tho

masculine

so the dative should be the -o

[lean mango]

Google translates it as posessive for some reason tho

[green night]

this museum thingy was around the world right? not just one location

[weak swallow]

not yet

it’s only in columbus as of right now but the employees have said they think it’s touring with them

[hollow nebula]

Either way the point being there is something coming out

for us

that closes this thing out

[green night]

whens the next one

cuz these clues are super important if theyre pointing them ou

[hollow nebula]

Next one hasnt been announced to my knowledge

The one in Cbus wasn't very big so I imagine it wouldn't be very hard to pick up and move

[green night]

i thought london was gonna have one too

[hollow nebula]

No idea

I knew they had a pop up shop

But no idea about an FPE

[weak swallow]

probably will be in denver around the time tour starts

[green night]

ah fuck

[weak swallow]

but apparently the employees made sure that people saw and decoded the code at the end

so they were probably instructed to do that so word would get around

i really dislike how it’s no cameras or phones

[teal compass]

You’re probably thinking of this, they announced the FPE event and the pop up shops at the same time but they were separate events

https://x.com/twentyonepilots/status/1793299211082957043?s=46&t=ZNeyt6Ow6doUUEqnUlXhMA

twenty one pilots (@twentyonepilots) on X

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 3:13 PM

Pic because the embed doesn’t show both lol

[weak swallow]

yeah they were announced on the same tweet too

which probably added to the confusion

i thought there was gonna be one in london too before i fully read it

[hollow nebula]

I hope they do more so people get the message

[weak swallow]

i think there won’t be anymore until tour starts

[storm ether]

guys if it's a touring thing and the code thing is always present and doesn't change then 25 refers to 2025

but we won't know until we know more/when 6/25 or 7/25 passes

[lean mango]

We already know it won't be quite the same on tour so I'm guessing that won't be there

I'd also imagine they plan for it to be "solved" relatively soon after people first see it

[cedar cradle]

Wait can someone show me the voldsoy logo thing

[umbral sandal]

this you mean?

[cedar cradle]

No I mean the Clancy logo becoming voldsoy on its side

I can see it kinda

[cedar cradle]

It’s kinda a stretch ngl

[umbral sandal]

yea, but it's funny that it COULD be read like that.

[cedar cradle]

But idk if it means a double album

[umbral sandal]

Oh, people think the next Album is called Voldsoy?

[cedar cradle]

Yes

[storm ether]

I don't think it's a stretch actually

so many people including myself have brought up the voldsoy connection

[lean mango]

It needs the logo in front of it to work

[rain birch]

ok, im in the camp of clancy will have a deluxe version, and its called "Clancy : Ultimus Capitulus"

[sly hazel]

If its a deluxe I'm thinking it'll be called "Clancy: The Final Chapter"

And maybe the 25 is actually talking about 25 tracks total?

we currently have 13
Paladin Strait is the link between 2 places
12 either side of PS?

for a total of 25 on the deluxe

[weak swallow]

if theyre making a deluxe to finish the story why would they need 12 more songs

[sly hazel]

Deluxe versions sometimes just have entire B sides

[weak swallow]

but 12 more songs would mean the story is nowhere near complete

[sly hazel]

I mean, it doesnt really sound all that complete at all to me

[weak swallow]

how? clancy is literally right at the final battle

if the lyrics are as direct as the end of paladin then it could be one 3 minute song to wrap up the story

the paladin mv could also just have an extra 2 minutes that wrap up the story

[sly hazel]

You think he's just gonna walk in, see Nico and what?

That's it?

[weak swallow]

whats the alternative lol

he sees nico and then punched back to voldsoy where he needs to build a boat with the help of the neds over the course of 12 songs

at most the story can be wrapped up in 3-4 songs

[sly hazel]

There's gotta be a whole process of overcoming Nico, what about the other bishops?
What happens to the city? The rest of the citizens?
If this story is all about acceptance and learning to live with your insecurities then there's a lot more to unpack with Clancy and Nico coming to terms with their differences etc

[weak swallow]

at least is 30 seconds added onto paladin strait that shows the cycle continues on

[weak swallow]

i dont think any of these things are going to be answered apart from overcoming nico

[sly hazel]

you're also assuming that if we get more songs then they're all going to be lore related

[weak swallow]

yeah because it wouldnt make sense for the final chapter to be non lore related at all

we just got a whole album called clancy with barely any direct continuation of the lore

and theyre just going to do more songs that also have no direct continuation?

[sly hazel]

I mean yeah?
If we are believing that this initial record has only been in the works for a year
They might have had multiple songs to add to the deluxe version that aren't necessarily lore related but they want to release too
We already know they were considering not putting lole 3-4 songs on this album, you think they didn'#t have something to replace them with that wasn't lore related?

[weak swallow]

songs dont have to be lore related whatsoever to be lore

think about saturday or the outside

before those mv those songs were not lore at all

a song doesnt have to explicitly say "im fighting nico and the niners while the banditos and the neds are here in dema (which is in trench)" to have a lore mv

[sly hazel]

Not saying it does
I'm just saying it's likely that not everything on the deluxe version would be lore related in video or music

They might just have some other songs that they like and want to release, and by the sounds of it they do if they were considering swapping out songs on the current album with others

[weak swallow]

but if they had 12 more songs then why would tyler settle for having songs he doesnt really like on clancy

why not make an album full of songs you think are amazing and then add on 6 or so more as a deluxe

[sly hazel]

Same reason there's songs on there that Josh doesn't like but Tyler really does?

It's a compromise on what is on the initial release to then balance out on the B Side

[weak swallow]

josh never said he didnt like any of the songs he just made a joke about not liking snap back

i think josh has said he thinks all of clancy is amazing at the listening parties?

[cloud lynx]

btw i don't think Tyler actually hates those songs

maybe the concepts behind those songs

[weak swallow]

i dont think he hates them def not but he still didnt want them on the album for whatever reason

[cloud lynx]

anyway we can still be grateful for Josh for keeping them on the record

haha

[weak swallow]

oh for sure

[cloud lynx]

Navi gay ting my head

[weak swallow]

the songs he wanted to keep seem to be everyones favourites lol

[cloud lynx]

💃

[weak swallow]

id love to be proven 100% wrong and get 12 more songs of great music and more lore on top of it

but clancy has been said to be the last album in the story so i can only realistically see a deluxe with a few more songs

unless he was actually just completely lying but there are other ways to hide a double album without just straight up lying to us lol

even selling a deluxe is a little shady because that would mean that every physical copy of clancy is incomplete and youd have to buy the same cd/vinyl for the 4 more songs

[sly hazel]

I mean again a deluxe version can just have a whole B Side which is technically a whole second album it's just sold under the original name
I just personally don't see them release a deluxe version that is only lore songs/videos and I think there will be some filler ones in there that could've made it onto the initial release instead of the ones they didn't like as much

[weak swallow]

i mean b sides are usually seen as just tracks that the artist didnt think were good enough to be on the actual album right?

i wouldve expected navigating and ritn to be b sides if that were the case

[sly hazel]

Both of those one of them both really liked and the other didn't so much
It's very possible there are songs that they both didn't enjoy as much and decided to keep those to B Side

but B Side isn't necessarily lesser songs
Sometimes they're just continuations

[rich pewter]

EP time

[sly hazel]

It's been the most common way of doing a "double album" that are both hyper related in this sense so you definitely know that they are related and you get the full story in a single album

[weak swallow]

yeah id love a whole double album but i just dont want to get my hopes up when the ending could just be the cycle continuing or something with not even another single after lol

feel like if a double album doesnt happen a lot of people are gonna be mad at the band for something they didnt confirm in the first place

feels like more people are excited for a double album than they were clancy coming out 😭

[sly hazel]

I honestly don't think they'd leave the story as a continued cycle when they've been building for so long about it being about acceptance and learning to live with and overcoming your insecurities and not being trapped under their control

[weak swallow]

id hope not but im just preparing for the worst case scenario lol

i knew since backslide came out that this album wouldnt have too much lore in it

[sly hazel]

Which is weird considering Tyler specifically said this would be the most upfront lore album they've ever done

[weak swallow]

the marketing for this album has been super weird

thats the thing thats making me think there could be more

that and brandon rike's instagram post where he said "much more to come" or something along those lines

starting off the era with i am clancy and the red letters and tape made it seem like it was going to be non stop lore through every song and mv

[sly hazel]

This whole album roll out has been weird and the story feels majorly unfinished
And then you have Tyler constantly teasing something coming after the album, then specifically mentioning "does it sound like the end?" in the livestream
I don't blame people for getting excited at the possibility of a double album especially with the puzzle at the FPE

[weak swallow]

i dont blame people either but i do wonder how terrible the reaction would be if this truly is just it

i think everyone at least thinks theres something coming after ps mv especially after the fpe puzzle

[lime carbon]

Alr so if u check theories verified

U can see that simone weil (is important in the lore) left by ship on the 7th of june and arrived 25th of june in america(?)

#verified-theorists message

[lean mango]

Damn, it's true

[hollow nebula]

Oh snap

Here we go

I’m ready

More pilots

Can we just get a Twenty One Pilots record called Pontius pilot?

[fathom charm]

I mean, they just dumped that torchbearer has a kind of power too, which if im correct we never knew about, so there might be more surprises under their sleeves

I was a Torchbearer album believer when oc dropped, so

I guess that can still happen

I feel like this album represents clancy as a person perfectly, full of doubt, insecurities, fear, but still fighting

Torchbearer songs could be guiding and showing the way or idk

[sly hazel]

I've had a headcannon since Trench that Josh/Torchbearer was originally something to do with Dema, the statues in there look kinda like him
And then when Tyler said "a hijacked religion" it made me think that maybe Josh was the original "owner" or creator of the religion until it was tainted by the bishops and that's why him and Nico also have that stare down in the Jumpsuit video
They're like old enemies

[fathom charm]

Oh myyyyyyy

That is actually very very possible imo

Now that u say

[sly hazel]

Yeah I think it's possible now we know he has guiding powers
Could've been all about helping people and showing them the way
And then Nico took that and tainted it to control

Would also explain why Josh seems to know ways in and out of Dema, and started getting people out

[fathom charm]

And this could be a part to why he wants clancy so bad, because he knows with their powers they could destroy them?

Ugh, i shouldnt theorize really, this just sounds too epic, i will be sad if this isnt the way😭

[weak swallow]

seizing and guiding are incredibly similar powers too, seizing is just forcefully "guiding" someone

[static sinew]

i still hope they explain how/why josh has that power

[trail vigil]

That's a pretty cool theory

[umbral sandal]

Why does Clancy have the Power? Why can he be seized even though he's alive? Nothing is explained.

[tame tendon]

It was revealed to me last night in a dream that the double album will happen. I had my hands on a copy of it but didn't get the chance to listen. The cover will be mostly black and white.

[static sinew]

i mean we at least know its done via the antlers

[reef sapphire]

He realises there's more to this war than Nico. To protect everyone, he has to take down the other bishops and spread hope to do so. While Clancy part 1 is all very gloomy and hopeless, part 2 is overcompensating the other way. It's positive, not like sai but it's uplifting.

[reef sapphire]

Simply put, it's Tyler's world and an extension of Blurryface

[weak swallow]

yeah this is not going to happen

none of the other bishops have even been namedropped aside from blurryface lyrics and the livestream experience

they arent just going to pull a part 2 where clancy destroys dema and everyone is suddenly happy and cured

the crux of the story is clancy vs nico/blurryface

if blurryface is gone we can assume that all the other bishops are gone too

the other bishops could also be what the banditos are fighting on the ground

[reef sapphire]

Keons? We saw sacarver and lisden too.

I wouldn't expect it'd be name drops either, just a reverse Blurryface situation

[weak swallow]

keons is dead so he wouldnt need to be fought against and lisden and sacarver were in the livestream experience

they still werent technically name dropped they couldve been credited as "tv producer 1" and "tv producer 2" and that wouldnt have had an effect on the story thus far

[olive plume]

tyler tweeted this on 6/25. maybe this means something?

[lime carbon]

Oh….oh no…..n-…no….

Having war flashbacks rn

[fair dirge]

So... Will we get the double album or not?

[tropic elbow]

Has anyone pointed out the possibility that the second album name could be "Voldsoy"?
In the font it'a literally "clancy" but flipped 90 degrees

[fair dirge]

No way

Wait what

[fair dirge]

Show me this

[lean mango]

needs the TOP logo too

[graceful hill]

I dont think so

Back when the billboards came out you could just see voldsoy in it

[fair dirge]

Erm

[cloud lynx]

would be fire actually

[fallow violet]

i thought that was just edited

[graceful hill]

I didn't think so, I could kinda see it myself

Now I can't though

I remember there wasn't the logo in it though

Hold on lemme dig for a second

[lean mango]

well, the first o above could be seen as a V and then it's vldzoy

[opal mirage]

what did voldsoy hold as part of lore?

wasn't iit like an island?

i dont remember

[tropic elbow]

Island of violence

[opal mirage]

ah

[fallow violet]

the island from the outside

[tropic elbow]

Where clancy landed after saturday mv

[opal mirage]

gotcha

[lean mango]

It's pretty important imo

[graceful hill]

Yeah so aomeone said clancy was on the sides and voldsoy was on top and bottom

[lean mango]

it's kind of the center point of the turning point of the battle

[graceful hill]

It's all clancy but i remember it also looking like voldsoy

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1atasvu/i_may_be_stupid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[raven lagoon]

Maybe he's trying to show us

[tropic elbow]

I dunno, i thought about this watching the atrofd, but its kinda a valid one

[cloud lynx]

Maybe they sorta lied about "Clancy" (the record we got recently) being the actual end, simply to surprise us

[tropic elbow]

I always wondered why that that double meaning in the font

[raven lagoon]

A complete diversion

[cloud lynx]

like this era is the end

but not this record

as in, we could get an EP or a deluxe

still i think the marketing was a bit... weird, misleading

[ripe arch]

i am super curious as to why the billboards had voldsoy on them, the only thing i can think of is the fact that oc and navigating have a few seconds on voldsoy? but that doesnt seem significant enough to be on a billboard

[tropic elbow]

• they added new merch pointing voldsoy

[ripe arch]

wait where

[cloud lynx]

i don't fully get how "Voldsoy" would make sense as a follow-up though

[lean mango]

huh, I didn't even think about that

IMO Voldsoy is maybe the most important unsolved mystery in the lore

since it's the source of him gaining the seizing power

[cloud lynx]

fair

[lean mango]

• something tying into the voldsoy torchbearer

[cloud lynx]

also, Trench, Voldsoy, would fit nice

[ripe arch]

so all we know is that voldsoy translates to violent island. this is like the continent of trench in a way

[lean mango]

Ye, there's also the fact that it's the point across from dema

[ripe arch]

links to migraine - islands of violence
migraine stems in the outside music video too

[cloud lynx]

that's so weird

[lean mango]

huh, true, that definitely didn't need to be sideways like that

[tropic elbow]

These pics are taken in the london store

[ripe arch]

it being sideways could just be a thing to fit it but they couldve like changed it ig

idk i 100% think weve missed osmething

[tropic elbow]

I agree

[ripe arch]

clancy/voldsoy thing is in this shirt too

[lean mango]

digging a bit deeper in where I think the lore is going, I think Keons's sacrifice and Clancy being mysteriously saved and washing up on Voldsoy will need to be answered for

[ripe arch]

yeah definitely

[cloud lynx]

Clancy/Voldsoy as a double album would fit so well honestly

[ripe arch]

oh right wait i have a thing

so

[cloud lynx]

First of all the sorta "play on word" with Voldsoy apparently being similar to "Clancy" reversed

and globally it just feels satisfying

also Trench... Voldsoy

would be a nice way to conclude the story, as they can't for example do "Nico" or "Blurryface" (as Blurryface is already a record)

[cloud lynx]

tell us

[lean mango]

If it does indeed end with Dema burning, maybe they escape to Voldsoy

[ripe arch]

this is like my biggest thing but you can see that the month is ONLY shown for may 2024 - this store only does this when there are different releases in a year. i dont mean vinyl variants because there are blurryface/trench/vessel variants and the release month is not shown for those

this is like my biggest proof for SOMETHING later this year

[cloud lynx]

:o
so an epilogue, sort of

[ripe arch]

whether its a remaster of st/rab or a second/deluxe album Something is going to be released

[cloud lynx]

oooh

[tropic elbow]

It actually makes sense

[cloud lynx]

oh yeah this thing!!!

i think this much or less confirms us smth is coming

and THIS year, not 2025

this combined with some other clues we have, the FPE puzzle etc...

[ripe arch]

also, this isnt like a top exclusive thing, other artists have this exact thing where the month only shows when multiple things are released

[lean mango]

Do you have examples showing the month thing? Not that I don't believe it, but just to show definitively that it's not a fluke

well, I can check too

[ripe arch]

random artist ig

she has like different things released this year

its not just albums ig

but yeah somethings coming

[cloud lynx]

imagine they be like "nope haha this wasn't the actual ending, here it is: lore-heavy af album and also full of bangers

[lean mango]

ok, ye, interesting

[fathom charm]

I just realized that he said on the livestream, that they have the paladin mv ready to go, then why would they push it to june if not to have time to pull out something else khmmm musiccc?

[lean mango]

lol, I looked at Taylor Swift too

[ripe arch]

lmaoo

[ripe arch]

yes 100%

[tropic elbow]

I thought he meant it for create some hype

[ripe arch]

also the bonus thing lol it doesnt seem like something they would do

[cloud lynx]

he also said it needed more editing or smth like that tho?

[fallow violet]

he said theyre doing it because they want us to sit with the audio and experience the song through the audio first

[fathom charm]

Naaaah, i dont think they would make us wait until june, especially that the album was delayed already

[fathom charm]

Ah i see

I dont buy it (at least i dont wanna😭😭)

[lean mango]

I mean, could be for multiple reasons

[ripe arch]

the fact early june could like be as early as this week (it wont be we have evidence for the 7th)

[fathom charm]

Knowing them it wont be right away on the first week of june😭

[lime carbon]

yo what the fuck

[fallow violet]

yeah i mean, them wanting us to sit with the audio first could mean something

[lime carbon]

im tweakin more and more w this double album/ep/extended version/more music coming theory everyday

[fallow violet]

i thought i saw someone a while ago who said that they do this with every release but idk cant confirm myself

[lean mango]

Unfortunately, the hmv thing might be a fluke

yea, looks like every artist's most recent release shows the month

[ripe arch]

let me be delusional 😭

[lime carbon]

oh cmonnnnnnnn i thought vyl was onto smth

[lean mango]

I think there's plenty of evidence either way :>

[ripe arch]

ok we'll see in the next 7 months trust

[fallow violet]

yeah deffo

[lime carbon]

but tbh imagine, in one month's time everything could be so diff

[fallow violet]

i mean there is still other viable evidence, i am also cautiously clowning it tbh

[ripe arch]

yeah

also is it just me or does the lore journal feel weirdly short like

[lime carbon]

YES, i mean i for sure thought that they would add something more

[ripe arch]

well

the still alive thing

[lime carbon]

and it's really weird that we didn't get any letter like what

[olive plume]

i don’t have my copy yet but i’ve seen scans of it online and i really wasn’t expecting for them to include all those promo shoots in there

i was fine with the pictures but i didn’t think it was gonna be that much

[ripe arch]

well i guess it is a clancy album

i do think the placements of the pictures are kinda interesting though

[lime carbon]

wait i forgot the word, what is scaled and icy to clancy is dead?? i mean what is the letter changing thing called

[ripe arch]

new pictures are on the left page for them

yeah

anagram for sai

[lime carbon]

THANK U

[lime carbon]

this made me think of a potential anagram for smth, but it's probably nothin

[ripe arch]

it is very very interesting that almost all promo pics are out of focus

and tyler never looks at josh in them? or even in his direction idk

AND THE DANGEROUS BEND SYMBOL BEING ON THE SEIZING PAGE

[lime carbon]

truueee

[ripe arch]

so like about the 25

one of the letters was dated 2/25 and like i was wondering why that date ig

idk if it means anything

[lime carbon]

wait which one

[lean mango]

oh yeaaaa

[lime carbon]

maybe the one containing the 'follow the torches"?

[lean mango]

I think it's the one with Fly By

[ripe arch]

one of the ones we got before oc

[lime carbon]

ah shit

[lean mango]

no ye

[fallow violet]

it was the date it was posted

[lean mango]

it is Follow The Torches

aka

[ripe arch]

yes

[lean mango]

the day of the revolution

[lime carbon]

OH WAIIITITTTTTTTT

WAITWAITWAITWAITWAITWAIT

YEAH

[lime carbon]

the birds

singing

[ripe arch]

am i actually onto something for once

[lime carbon]

in paladin strait

"we march in the morning"

[ripe arch]

THE FACT THAT THE PICTURE ENXT TO THE FOLLOW THE TORCJES LETTER IS A MAP OF TREMCH

WELL#

OVERHJEAD PIC OF TRENMCH

[lime carbon]

WAIT VYL CAN USEND THE PICTURES OF THE JOURNAL

[ripe arch]

one sec

[fallow violet]

what we mentioned earlier right?

[lime carbon]

the one with 25 and 28 dates

[lime carbon]

yesyesyesyes

[lean mango]

tbf I think it specifically implies February 25th, but the date could still be connected

[ripe arch]

sorry for the shitty photos

[lime carbon]

yeah true, but it's still weird why it's 25

i mean it couldn't be accidental, they ain't doing any of that shit, they plan everything

[lime carbon]

wait, isn't that like a campfire or smth

[fallow violet]

oh okay thats kinda true because they were posted at the same time, maybe its just supposed to imply that 3 days have passed?

because both of those letters were posted on 28th

[ripe arch]

wait this is interesting too

[ripe arch]

the outside letter page

2022/3/18

[lime carbon]

literally feeling this rn

[ripe arch]

THE FIRST PICTURE IS LITERALLY THIS.

my eyes might be bad but

they look similar

[green night]

the trench pattern?

[ripe arch]

ok theres a picture at the back but i cant get to it my book is stuck and i dont wanna rip it

[ripe arch]

tyler holding out his arm

[cloud lynx]

:o

[lime carbon]

okay so one more tie: the puzzle with the 25 (if we count the antlers then it's 6/25), paladin strait bird chirping->clancy letter being on the 25th+we march in the morning, the picture that tyler posted on 2017 june 25th being the last image for a year and then going to hiatus!!!!!!!!!!!! knowing that they said that paladin strait mv is coming EARLY june, for sure we're getting smth on the 25th

[ripe arch]

once again josh is barely there

[lime carbon]

tbh honestly it looks like one bigass campfire

[ripe arch]

Oh wait theres another thing

[teal compass]

Is the embossed gold tracklist off center on the back of the journal

[ripe arch]

these are on the same page

[teal compass]

I’ve noticed it’s very slightly slanted down to the right on a couple that I’ve seen

[tropic elbow]

My theory's turning out plausible

[lime carbon]

chat are we cooking

[ripe arch]

not sure

actually yeah

the website link being emphasised so much is so interesting

[lean mango]

website link?

[lime carbon]

true, i don't think anybody managed to get the meaning behind that, i mean why would tyler point that out

[ripe arch]

the dmaorg.info one

[lime carbon]

i feel like we're missing smth

[ripe arch]

it's on the first page of the journal

[teal compass]

the first page makes sense as that was the first step to finding dmaorg from the vessel store page but yeah it’s weird they asked how we found it and we never really got any significance to that question

[ripe arch]

also this is very funny Wait it doesnt have the cheetah gif in this???

[fallow violet]

i feel like the website being out there thats just them being open with the lore like no longer gatekeeping it

[teal compass]

No cheetah

Pet cheetah escaped the basement

[fallow violet]

no cheetah gif is funny considering it had that whole nico puzzle in it

[ripe arch]

it has this but not the cheetah one

pet cheetah being played live too.

[teal compass]

I assume it’s because it doesn’t really make sense from an in universe book for any of these characters to know what a cheetah is or have ever seen one or lived around one or to have cheetahs on trench

[fallow violet]

yeah but it does have that puzzle with the letters flashing so displaying it like the vulture would make some sense

[ripe arch]

true

it has the torches gif too

something about these pictures look off to me 😭😭

[fallow violet]

they are

[ripe arch]

btw wasnt the feb 25 letter like one of the few letters we got on a different day to when the letter was dated

[fallow violet]

i suppose theyre somehow from paladin mv

[fallow violet]

yeah it was posted on 28th

[ripe arch]

obviously except the ones before trench like 1988 😭

[fallow violet]

both of them at once

[ripe arch]

the fact that dema looks like a cd

[green night]

i got it guys

double album drops in 2156

not 6/25

[olive plume]

2156 seconds

[ripe arch]

necropolis?

[green night]

ye

[ripe arch]

this book is genuinely beautiful i love it so much

[olive plume]

how’s the paper quality?

[ripe arch]

its really good

[ripe arch]

this page being vessel date 😭😭

[lime carbon]

wait what does that mean

[olive plume]

i’m so excited to get mine. it shipped last week but the tracking number still doesn’t work 😵‍💫

[ripe arch]

idk like a city of the dead i think

[green night]

its just where the neon gravestones are

but it does mean city of the dead in greek

[lime carbon]

oh okay

[ripe arch]

actually the fact that the keons dot in the dema map is still filled in on this

i wouldve thought it would be empty like the dema letters

[fallow violet]

because its the old map, it should be gone in the newer version of the map, does the journal not have that one?

the one that was mailed to people

[teal compass]

It has both

[ripe arch]

its absolutely tiny

but i meant on the front cover

too small to see

[teal compass]

You can’t really see it with your naked eye on the normal letter very well either but yeah it’s harder to see here

[ripe arch]

yeah

[teal compass]

I think the cover makes sense though since that’s the normal United vialists sacred municipality logo, they haven’t fully updated their branding yet

Keons did just croak like yesterday timeline wise

[ripe arch]

i was thinking of this tbh

yrah true

[lime carbon]

also the picture with tyler having his eyes opened and layered like 3 or 4 times has me thinking of routines in the night mv where we can see the red contacts

cause he's doing the same thing, keeping his eyes wide open with his fingers

[ripe arch]

which photo?

[lime carbon]

oh lol

[teal compass]

Oh sorry didn’t mean to double up on you😭

[green night]

why are there potatos on his face

[ripe arch]

this photo looks so weird to me

[lime carbon]

its aight, dw about it!

i meaaaan

same thing

[fallow violet]

i mean, if its "clancys journal", the original logo being on the cover makes sense, i dont think they would change the dema logo

[maiden fox]

does anyone have a link to where Tyler said that we were missing something?

[lime carbon]

wait what he said that??

[fallow violet]

the only one i can think of is from years ago

[ripe arch]

not explicitly

all i can think of is the "how did you find dmaorg.info" one

[lime carbon]

yes, this one is bugging me so much like wymmmm

[maiden fox]

Ive seen some people saying that he did but I don’t remember when/where he said it

[lime carbon]

ah okay

[ripe arch]

i just KNOW theres something out there with more information

[fallow violet]

he said it back in 2018

i dont remember anything more recent

[fair dirge]

Same

[maiden fox]

I hope when all of this is said and done they have a livestream explaining everything or do a qna type thing

[lime carbon]

yo wassup! we're both going to lodz!lol

[ripe arch]

should i buy it 🙏🙏🙏

[ripe arch]

nvm its taken

[fair dirge]

YOO

[ripe arch]

there arent any shows they have previously done/are going to do on february 25 right?

[ripe arch]

ok 2016 in brixton they did

[fair dirge]

First is in August

[ripe arch]

yeah thats not what i mean 😭

bc of the clancy letter being dated feb 25

Wait simone

[lime carbon]

oh?

[ripe arch]

im looking dont panic yet

[lime carbon]

lmao okok

the date with simone is the one 6/7 and 6/25 so i feel like it's a strong ass connection

[ripe arch]

ok like she was born in a february

and died on august 24 but its not even 25 so

we need keons here rn

[lime carbon]

hold tf up

this thing

[graceful hill]

Yes

[lime carbon]

if i'm correct, she should've passed a strait

[ripe arch]

oh?

[graceful hill]

What if the second album is called simone

[lime carbon]

im not quite sure from where exactly she would've travelled to america tho

[ripe arch]

CLANCY PART 2: WEIL🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[ripe arch]

wasnt it england or something

im not sure

[lime carbon]

i think it's lisbon

just because it was a portugese ship

LMAO

[ripe arch]

that would make sense

[lime carbon]

i'm reading up on this rn https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/2623573/jewish/The-Story-of-the-Serpa-Pinto.htm

[ripe arch]

if only someone at the london signing asked about the double album

[lean mango]

I doubt they'd say anything even if they did

[teal compass]

People at the London signing thought we were getting a satisfying conclusion unfortunately 😭😭

[ripe arch]

ok i was trying to think about any song lengths being 2:25 BUT LEVITATE IS 2:26 which is so annoying

chlorine is 5:25 but nothing happened then 😭 so

[coral willow]

Okay okay hang on, hot take here but since we’re on the subject of cycles - 6/25 represents potentially lore heavy music videos/album track length. We have gotten half of the album with the physical and metaphorical barrier that lies in between this half and the last half being Paladin Strait equaling 25 songs total and 6 lore heavy music videos. 12 songs +1 (the barrier) and 3 lore heavy music videos are out. 6:28 is the length of Paladin and I believe it to also be the date that either the second half releases or is announced if not along with the Paladin Straight music video. Sonically, a minute of near dead silence doesn’t really make sense. The lyrics in Shy Away are literally “don’t circle the track, just break the cycle in half and leave your skin on the floor”. Don’t repeat the cycle. Break it, confront it and shed yourself from the bad habits and toxic endless cycles.

That’s what the second half will represent is the confrontation of inner battles.

[ripe arch]

imagine its like paladin mv comes out june 7 and second half announced for june 28

[lime carbon]

damn bbwaifu i saw u cooking this up for like 20 mins lmao

[coral willow]

MY BRAIN IS SO ALIVE RN

I’m trying to explain my thoughts without going on a whole theory ramble. Y’all got the cliff notes.

[lime carbon]

waittttt

the ship that simone weil sailed didn't arrive on 25th of june

and didn't leave on june 7th

or wait

WAIT NOOOOOO

SHE SAILED FROM MOROCCO

then that would make sense, bc june 5th the ship sailed from lisbon and then made a stop at morocco

so she CERTAINLY passed a strait, Gibraltar to be exact

sorry for interrupting with bbwaifu's theory but i really needed to put this out here lmao

[coral willow]

No, please! This is also important!!

[cloud lynx]

i think u might've cooked smth (or at least it is definitely interesting and makes sense)

dyou think it could be called Voldsoy? and would it make sense?

also idk how it'd work, music video-wise
would they yet again make an MV for every song? lol (or maybe they've already filmed them)

[ripe arch]

if we do get a deluxe album i see it being digital versions only tbh

[coral willow]

I’m not really sure what it would be called but Clancy / The Few The Proud The Emotional album names would be so so so sick in my mind. Plus we have been seeing a LOT more references to FPE lately - fuel, petrol, etc in backslide, failed perimeter escape button up in oldies station, fan premier exhibit in Columbus and “so few, so proud, so emotional” mockery by Blurry.

[cloud lynx]

fair

[coral willow]

I don’t think they would make a music video for every song, no. I feel like they would release music videos as they normally do and the songs would lyrically tie the bow. Maybe wait on the last music video to be released for a little while as they did with the outside with an extended film portion possibly.

[graceful hill]

What if it's just called FPE

[coral willow]

Exactly!

[graceful hill]

Final Portion of Exposition

[teal compass]

Final Palbum Eforrealthistimeguystrustus

[cloud lynx]

guys #1244749581435146371

somebody made this theory

i just link it here since it has to do w/ the topic

[fading pewter]

I know you're reading this Tyler
You mischievous egg

laughing at us squirming in our speculations

you make me sad and second guess myself 😔

[sly hazel]

Tyler get out of your bathtub and give us some more hints

[fading pewter]

Give us sooome adviiiiice

Going to book a getaway to Voldsoy so I can highjack a highjacked religion too

Yall think Ned used to be god of dema?

And bishops highjacked it

I'm misspelling this aren't I?
yea,, hijacking*

Embarrassing

Not as much as you tho Ty, coming for yo ass

[sly hazel]

I had a similar theory about Josh
Where he used his guiding force for good and to help people until Nico hijacked everything and used it for control

[wheat gorge]

if you reverse FPE to EPF then it could stand for "EP Finale" in this case

[sly hazel]

Final Prologue Episode

[wheat gorge]

Final Part - Epilogue
Fourth Part Extras (or Extended)
Final Project Extras (or Extended)

[sly hazel]

It'll be so sad if they retire the FPE acronyms now

[lime carbon]

https://x.com/yelllowdashes/status/1795188896814211553?s=46

[tame tendon]

Someone posted this in another chat. Notice the mile count

[lime carbon]

Mhmm yeah, saw it

Motherfuckers are teasing us so much

[left kite]

Probably just coincidence, but the 28th is also the third day after the 25th, and Keons still needs to resurrect (because of the tape being gone tho I think that's gonna happen in Paladin...still interesting tho)

[fallow violet]

grammy review of clancy saying this

[sly hazel]

THEY KNOW SOMETHING

[lime carbon]

FUCKKKKK

Im losing my shit i cannot

[teal compass]

the struggle to desperately try and not get my own hopes up while being bombarded by potential double album hints left and right

[sly hazel]

Wait what if they legit postponed to finish the videos for the other songs
They said they had like 7 ready to go about a month before the initial release date right?

[teal compass]

yeah

[lime carbon]

I had this idea, because it was bugging me, considering that they filmed most of the videos pretty fastly

[teal compass]

tyler also had another weird comment in an interview, saying they set aside 3 or 4, did 4 vidoes in one day, and then did 5 videos in another day, so at max they had 2 to film during the actual delay

[sly hazel]

Surely Tyler didn't just spring this plan on them randomly like 6 weeks before release too? They must have already been planning doing videos and stuff weeks before that as well

[lime carbon]

Tho it could be that ps mv is long and very well made, considering that it was 99% shot in Iceland

[sly hazel]

I mean I fully think the Iceland videos have probably been finished for a long time

[teal compass]

i think that would have been done before this era even started theyve been traveling for the rollout pretty non stop the last couple weeks

[sly hazel]

Or atleast the footage they use from there

[teal compass]

one of the 3 or 4 they set aside and worked on first

[sly hazel]

Also didn't they mention filming in LA after the NS video?

So they could've filmed some of the ocean stuff in LA

[lime carbon]

Smh im walking left cause something here AINT RIGHT

[lime carbon]

Wait what they did?

[sly hazel]

I'm pretty sure Tyler said something about being in LA for like an extra day or something

So they could've done some filming on the coast in LA

Might be where that picture for the PS placeholder came from

[lime carbon]

Hmmmm interesting

[olive plume]

i think we first saw josh with his new hair in january but snow can fall pretty early in ohio, so they might have started filming sometime late last year

[sly hazel]

And I'm thinking if they're going to be more stuff where Josh is leading the Banditos on the ground and Clancy goes after Nico
Then they could've filmed it separately and started a long while ago

[olive plume]

i wonder if they got the videos for the double album/EP (i’m delusional) out of the way first so that way, if they were seen filming in public, we’d know it’s for the clancy videos. because i’m sure they wouldn’t have wanted to be seen filming something that didn’t end up in one of the clancy videos

[sly hazel]

And especially if they just filmed a bunch of stuff while they were in Iceland and then again in LA while they were there
It's possible they have a bunch of footage that we just don't know about

[lean mango]

if they only recorded lore videos, that wouldn't be much of an issue if they're mostly in Iceland

ye

[olive plume]

why am i getting my hopes up!!!!!!!!

[lean mango]

We know he didn't spring this plan on them then because of the snow in a lot of the vids

[sly hazel]

Yeah I'm assuming all the snow videos must have been filmed early and that's the ones they said they've already got finished

[lime carbon]

Yeah but it still filmed after back slide mv

[cloud lynx]

omfg

like

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

like

i still had some doubts for a double album

and i still have, something else could come instead

[fallow violet]

im still extra cautious and expecting the conclusion in the mv but damn….. like what are all these hints

[cloud lynx]

but idk man smth is gonna happen and it could very probably be a second album

[cloud lynx]

yeah

wtf

[cloud lynx]

june 25th smth is gonna happen

💯

Clancy (part 1), in their plan, must've been just a "preparation" for the final battle

Introducing the protagonist and setting up the finale

Also kind of a bridge between Trench/SAI and (whatever comes next)

This would explain why it isn't that lore-heavy and that dark (it has dark undertones for sure, but it doesn't sound the way most people expected)
Much closer to SAI lore-wise, and sonically?

For a finale, i would've expected a Trench-like lore/storytelling yk

[sly hazel]

Yeah with Tyler saying this was the most upfront lore album I honestly expected way more of a concept album similar to Trench

[cloud lynx]

i'm not expecting a Trench 2, not saying that, but Clancy genuinely cannot be the end, lol

[cloud lynx]

Yeah, so i think, what if, what iiiif, Clancy is not actually that "most upfront lore album"??

Or am I just coping 🥲

[sly hazel]

Yeah I'm kinda thinking the second part of this is the more lore heavy stuff

[cloud lynx]

i think there's a bit of cope, but smth just feels very off

[sly hazel]

I'm fully expecting PS MV on the 7th, then an announcement or release on the 25th

[graceful hill]

Someone said that maybe it wasn't the most up front with the lore, like narratively, but rather what the lore was about

And I could definitely see that

[cloud lynx]

oh, fair

also the I am Clancy thingy

[graceful hill]

Yeah they built that up and then nothing happened

[sly hazel]

Hmmm I mean I guess yeah
It just still feels like the actual lore is lacking from what we've got right now

[graceful hill]

Unless they meant like that

[cloud lynx]

yeah

[cloud lynx]

Btw this would make so much more sense for storytelling

You introduce the protagonist and the scene, basically

Then whatever comes next that leads to the conclusion of the story

[sly hazel]

Yeah in general you would have 3 acts in a story

Trench could be seen as the first act with sai being the transitioning point into act 2 of Clancy
Then PS is that transitioning point into act 3 of the actual ending

[cloud lynx]

i'm like

mostly sure that a second album is coming, another act that contains music (and other stuff)
(or if it ain't a second album, smth that has to do with music)

[sly hazel]

Yeah I'm fairly convinced something is happening
Whether it's a deluxe album, "b side" of Clancy or something like a musical short film or even a livestream performance with new songs or something

[olive plume]

do y’all think we’re going to get another video like I Am Clancy? maybe as an epilogue after everything is “complete”?

[sly hazel]

I do think that's possible yeah
As a way of rounding out the era and also act as a type of final journal entry

[olive plume]

whatever they got cooking up, i’m excited

[cloud lynx]

🔥

it's gonna be good

🥲

[meager fjord]

Heyo all- what’s the current idea? Any new evidence?

[sly hazel]

Only new thing is Simone Weil arrived in New York on June 25th after setting off from London on June 7th

[cloud lynx]

These mfs have been teasing us even more

[meager fjord]

Oooo noice

[sly hazel]

Or Morocco or Portugal I can't remember

Either way possible it's PS MV on the 7th and then whatever happening on the 25th like already teased

[cloud lynx]

@ U nico mmon Cube this happened

frick i pinged the other person

sry ProblematicProctologist

[cloud lynx]

also this @ U nico mmon Cube

lol

"maybe it means his story isn't completely finished."

what do YOU MEAN BY THAT

[cloud lynx]

also are u aware of the FPE exhibit puzzle thing-y? that led us to discover "Clancy final chapter 25" in Latin

[meager fjord]

Yeah I saw that one!! Thanks for filling me in on everything

[cloud lynx]

np!!

[olive plume]

@meager fjord this might be significant?

[cloud lynx]

i'm so excited

[tame tendon]

lol np

[fallow violet]

honestly it might just be a journalist who knows nothing but even the fact people like that are picking up on it means we aren’t wrong to assume that

and this person probably doesn’t even know about what tyler has been teasing and the exhibition puzzle. at least it wasn’t mentioned in the article

[teal compass]

It’s nice to see that the general reception of the album is also that it doesn’t really feel like the end at least, doesn’t really confirm something but we’re not just insane lorebrained manics for thinking this wasn’t everything we were supposed to get

[wicked pagoda]

It’s interesting that only three songs are about lore…we’ll have to see about PS’s music video to judge if it’s really the end, but if they had more lore then why not do more lore songs? They definitely have room to do more than three right? So why do two albums if it has to end?

[candid flume]

arguable, considering tge navigating mv and the huge bonfires

[wicked pagoda]

Lmao what was that about anyway? It’s not bodies is it? 😬

[teal compass]

That parts really interesting to me because they’re in the seizing clothing and the drop dead at the end but they don’t actually seem to be having Clancy seize anything during the video

Unless it’s just supposed to represent the idea of them seizing into dema multiple times to teach the citizens while on their journey back to the banditos “growing the inferno” of rebellion that Clancy mentions

[wicked pagoda]

You think they learned how to do seizing without the antlers?

[teal compass]

Definitely a possibility, one of the ticket questions did hint at another way to seize

“Raising these above your head was originally thought to be the only way to seize available vessels, something Clancy was gifted before leaving the island of Voldsøy.”

[slender mountain]

Omg 😭

[teal compass]

If torchbearer can use his power to be in multiple places at once maybe we’ll also see that Clancy can use his power while still using his body normally or he’s using it to be in multiple places without being consciously aware yet as part of the addiction idea

[slender mountain]

This 24 in the fpe exhibit making sense

25* lmao

[tawdry solstice]

Can someone please summarise the theory update because there have been so many messages it's impossible to catch up

[fallow violet]

reading some reddit opinions is like a different dimension though. like i understand some people don’t like the idea of more music coming or think it’s unrealistic but some people straight up are saying we are just reaching and making things up 😭 like i am being cautious but i would also feel stupid if i denied there is weird stuff going on

[fallow violet]

this sends me if they really spoiled the lore in this

[fallow violet]

other than tyler‘s comments in two interviews before the album was released, and one comment on the livestream, and the puzzle at the exhibit, nothing new but idk how far you need to catch up

[candid flume]

i mean they really love starting diversions if ykwim

razor blade stores, rent a race horse, we'll win but not EVERYONE will get out

start a mob

maybe that was a mob, leading up to clancy and keons meeting

bc of a bishops v. banditos mob

[teal compass]

I was in the unrealistic camp for a while until we got Tyler’s “you tell me, does this feel like the end?” and the Clancy Ultimus Capitilos 25 thing, I could see thinking people are being desperate after the sai era double album hype that happened but this is a genuine teaser by the band that something is still coming whatever that may be and it’s undeniable

The stream comment was weird, the exhibit is straight up confirmation something’s coming up

[candid flume]

and honestly they cant cliffhanger us like that after releasing sai as literal PROPAGANDA

like wtf do you mean, did keons come back with the milk?

[fallow violet]

yeah. like the sai thing was truly made up there was no indication that would happen but this has genuine teasers

[candid flume]

did they use national banner/billboard/advertisement teasers for trench or BF

?