#Double Album Confirmed

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mild harbor
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It’s my favorite line ever

devout hound
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No phun intended, man

green night
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Yeah fr

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It's lavish

mild harbor
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Ok faves on the album so far?

devout hound
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You’re giving me a migraine

green night
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Rn RITN

mild harbor
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Cmon rising stop overcompensating

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Yesss dude

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Same except for ATROFD

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I think that one tops it for me

green night
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My routines in the night rn are just binging clancy

devout hound
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Ok I love RITN but you can’t tell me it doesn’t sound like it’d be playing over the loudspeakers at a Target

green night
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Atrofd is so good

mild harbor
devout hound
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Almost the whole thing is except for Oldies for me

green night
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More clikkies

mild harbor
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Dude it is

devout hound
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Oldies and Midwest

mild harbor
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No way oldies is great

devout hound
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Also Snap Back. I really love the sound of it but the lyrics are really, really heavy for me

green night
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Midwest has a more traditional structure

devout hound
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Yeah

green night
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The rest of the album is like almost unpredictable

devout hound
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And I love it so much

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It reminds me of Trench, when that came out it was wiiilddd

mild harbor
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Midwest coulda been so much betterrr lol

green night
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Rn it's ritn atrofd and navigating for me

mild harbor
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Same for me man

green night
devout hound
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Navigating, Vignette, and Craving (single version) for me

mild harbor
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Vignette IS SO COOL

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It’s like redecorate but better

devout hound
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Ehhhh

mild harbor
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If redecorate was in trench

devout hound
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I couldn’t compare the two

mild harbor
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Huh really?

devout hound
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Redecorate was my fav off of SAI tho so

green night
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There were so many sai and rab vibes throughout the album

devout hound
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YEAH

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I got serious RAB vibes off of Midwest

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Also Vignette chorus sounds like the Pantaloon melody

green night
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Yes yes yes

devout hound
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Ughh man please play Ruby or Forest live

mild harbor
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When I heard the falsetto hook I uncontrollably screamed FALSETTO HOOK BABYYYYY

devout hound
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Or Glowing Eyes

devout hound
mild harbor
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@green night you going to any of the concerts?

devout hound
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I actually really didn’t like his falsetto on this album at first. Then I was in a 5 hour car ride and listened to the album 3 times and jeeezzz its so good

mild harbor
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Haha

green night
devout hound
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This year’s such a good year for music. 2/3 of my favorite bands will have released music, and the other released an album last year

green night
devout hound
mild harbor
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I find it hilarious that the Clancy album cover is my favorite cover of theirs haha

devout hound
mild harbor
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At the risk had screaming

green night
mild harbor
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Sick!

devout hound
green night
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But there's definitely moments where I thought he'll be screaming the shit out of his lungs on tour

mild harbor
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Oh definitely

devout hound
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It’s legitimately the worst thing to have come out of this era

green night
mild harbor
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He’ll be going crazy live

devout hound
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Neeon and I are going twice

mild harbor
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It’s beautiful in every way

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I love it

devout hound
mild harbor
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It fits the album perfectly

green night
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Oh you guys know each other?

devout hound
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Nah actually NPI is the best cover

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Dude that old Toyota

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Lovely

mild harbor
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Yeah we’re pretty good friends irl

green night
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Ohhh lmfao

mild harbor
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Actually in a band together, hopefully coming out with an album this summer haha

green night
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Holy fuck

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That went from 0 to 100

mild harbor
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I actually agree lol

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It’s so good cmon

green night
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Trench is the best imo

devout hound
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Trench is a 9.999/10 for me. Everything about it

green night
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For me there is somehow literally not a single thing wrong in trench

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Every song all the lyrics and the cover

mild harbor
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Totiallt agree

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It’s so good

devout hound
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There is one, tiny issue I have but that’s just cause’ I’m a producer and I don’t like the hi hat sound 🤣

green night
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It's perfection

green night
mild harbor
devout hound
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And the snare could’ve been more rugged but that’s just my ears

green night
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I don't rly mind anything

mild harbor
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Same

devout hound
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But that’s Meany’s background so it makes sense

green night
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But yeah I don't see what can drop the trench rating down from a 10

devout hound
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Anyway im going to bed. Gn yall, lovely theorizing and chatting

mild harbor
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Paul meany is the reason we gave that album haha

green night
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Aight me too actually

devout hound
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It’s a masterpiece. One of 2 albums I think are masterpieces so

mild harbor
green night
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Anyway what concert are yall gonna go to

mild harbor
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Same boys, hopefully we discuss this again soon

green night
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Yes

mild harbor
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Both Denver ones

devout hound
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Yeahhh babbyyyy

green night
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Oh shit

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Okay that's epic

devout hound
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Oh we should see if anyone else in this server is gonna go to that

mild harbor
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Haha best 400 bucks in my life

devout hound
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Yeppers

green night
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💀

mild harbor
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First night seats, second night floor

green night
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Damnnn

devout hound
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On the second night

mild harbor
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I’m getting that guitar pick with Jim’s face in it

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By golly I’m gettting it

green night
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That's so cool lmao

devout hound
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Pffft

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Go for it

mild harbor
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I won’t kill you for it rising, just horribly injure you for it lol

devout hound
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?

mild harbor
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If you attempt to get the pick first…

green night
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At the risk of getting the pick first

devout hound
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Buddy, if that happens and one of us gets a pick and the other doesn’t then we’re gonna have issues.

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Oh wait we have another friend with us too

mild harbor
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Wait who

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OH YEAH LOL

green night
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Yeah man where's my pick at

devout hound
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…Lucy?

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lol

mild harbor
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Ok she’s liked TØP for a month so….

devout hound
mild harbor
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I love her but it’s every one for themself out there

devout hound
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Alr I’m off to practice for my funeral

green night
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Ofc ofc

devout hound
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Gn

green night
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Gn

mild harbor
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Night boys

green night
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I just realized most people here are American and for you the album released yesterday

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That's so weird lmao the album dropped today for me

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Still in that release day hype bubble

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I haven’t been in this theory forum for 12 hours

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And it’s jumped 1000 messages holy shit

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And mf were calling me crazy back in late February early March

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Haha

crimson slate
devout hound
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Yeah. It spiraled lol

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Always does

digital cradle
devout hound
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Cut the cycle in halffff

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Except I kinda like my skin lol

digital cradle
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yes better when its not peeling from your bones (piece it back together all alone)

crimson slate
cerulean finch
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The 25

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“Fool you once? It’s been 25 times”

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  • Snap Back
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crimson slate
remote grove
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can someone PLEASE do a TL;DR of this discussion? Like at least the latest evidence on the double/delux album stuff 🥺

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I know this theory existed for a while but why did it reborn today?

crimson slate
remote grove
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alright

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gonna take a look on that

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thank you!

crimson slate
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yw! we're discussing the number 25 as that was part of the puzzle

remote grove
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oh ok

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Ok this is different from the theory but I really need your guys opinion. The marketing and vibe that the OC gave are completely different than the rest of the album.
Trench felt consistent start to finish.
SAI felt consistent start to finish as well.
Clancy feels all over the place. (Not in terms of sound but just “story telling”) I don’t know I just didn’t expect it be delivered in this way. Don’t get me wrong I love this album but the marketing and what we were expecting and what we got just isn’t adding up.

tame tendon
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I mean it sounds consistent to me

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I don’t see any issue with it

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Everything fits in the same vibe

compact arrow
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I don’t know just doesn’t feel as consistent as Trench and SAI

graceful hill
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Yeah like inferno rebellion gritty

compact arrow
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I love the songs. I love the album but did not expect this after OC and the marketing.

remote grove
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I guess I can point something that reinforces this feeling

compact arrow
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May just be me and my stage 7 brain damage

graceful hill
remote grove
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in Trench we have a lot of songs that talk about the lore

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Nico and the Niners, Morph, Bandito....

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they specifically mention lore elements in the lyrics

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I mean the first song say welcome back to trench and this felt like BF2 rather than trench 2 😔

tame tendon
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idk i don’t understand why so many people are saying this, the overcompensate marketing fits with the majority of the album

remote grove
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this album we had just overcompensate and the little end of paladin

crimson slate
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i think we all thought it was going to be way more lore heavy

tame tendon
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THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR MOST STRIAGHTFORWARD FUCKING ALBUM AND WE GOT 1 LORE MV LAST NIGHT IM SORRY IM KINDA PISSED.

tame tendon
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Deluxe album coming

remote grove
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lol yeah I felt like this a little bit too

tame tendon
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We will be saved

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That’s not a bad thing. I love all their albums for many different reasons. Watching them go from vessel to BF to Trench to SAI to Clancy has been beautiful. (Became a fan in May 2013)

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Idk this album is missing something man

tame tendon
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Tyler said they don’t even expect to win any more awards, I could totally see them going against the norms and releasing a deluxe or EP without any marketing or anything

remote grove
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the album is far from being bad, it was just a matter of expectations

tame tendon
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Paladin mv will hopefully answer everything

crimson slate
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it is :/ i don't know what but this is missing smth. clancy is super sad and personal and that was NOT how it felt from the marketing– it seemed to be more lore heavy and metaphorical. nothing wrong with clancy, i love it very much and also i didnt fall prey to the marketing so much as i Maybe Joined Like Right As The Tape Appeared so maybe im less disappointed

remote grove
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I lowkey expected to have at least one song in Levitate's pace with verses and verses deep in the lore

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guess that's what I'm missing

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I’m not saying the album is bad at all. I wanna make that super duper clear. It just did not fit what they were marketing. THIS WAS THE LEAST DIRECT ALBUM DAWG. IM PISSED TBH

crimson slate
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no you're right about that. it's super weird honestly. it's a great album but it feels more personal than lore related

remote grove
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yeah

crimson slate
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really makes me think they have more songs in the bank. or something. or they could have meant "direct" as in more personal but idk

remote grove
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If we think about fitting it into something like a release timeline, it seems like a post Clancy album

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Like I said in my theory. There is a big hole between the bandito tour and SAI.

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2019 interview they said they were 50% done with the next record.

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Something is missing.

remote grove
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you're right

crimson slate
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they could have scrapped a lot of stuff?

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So either PS ends everything or it’s gonna send us into the next part. Part 2. Inferno. What ever the fuck it’s called. Because everything Tyler said in February has been contradicted throughout this entire project IN MY OPINION.

remote grove
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the pandemic fully changed the planning

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crimson slate
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yeah but i mean if they made two records like you suggested, 50% done/finalized with one leaves a lot of space for scrapping stuff on the rest of everything if that makes any sense

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i dunno. you're right though. there's something more, no idea what. i'm not banking on an EP or album or even more songs, i don't wanna get my hopes up too much. but at the least i think we deserve a good MV for paladin.

remote grove
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well the livestream pretty much put us on hold for this great MV

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so let's see

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In the end, I agree with what was said here: The album is very, very good. I've already listened to it in full about 6 times today and I'm going to listen to it hundreds more times. But expectations about the content and form of the songs were a little distorted

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Also

remote grove
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Anyway I'm happy that we have more songs and that Tyler is so satisfied with his work

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Why the fuck was the album delayed. Almost all those MV were done in the winter. Did we really get delayed a week just for PS to be worked on more just to not be premiered on the day of the album?

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maiden fox
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This might have already been said but the fact that navigating and routines in the night weren’t supposed to be on the album really solidifies the EP theory for me

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But I don’t know why they wouldn’t just put all of them on the album… like is a 16-17 track album that crazy for them?

graceful hill
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@compact arrow Tbh I remember when oc came out thinking that they must have something big up their sleeve for the rest of the album because they named clancy AND Josh in the first song

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Almost like they were getting it out of the way

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lean mango
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Idk, I think if it was only 3 more, RitN and Navigating's place on the album vs. EP wouldn't have been a factor because it would've been obvious whether or not they'd make sense on the EP compared to others

mellow stratus
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i just think it’s weird that blurryface and trench vinyls are both two discs, a AND b sides on both, and clancy, which was supposed to be the big finale, is only one a side and one b side?? i do love the album but as a finale i was super underwhelmed and I don’t know how i feel until i see the paladin mv…

cedar cradle
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Cassette and cd is around 90 minutes but I think you can only get around 60 minutes on vinyl

static sinew
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lol

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anyway i think its SOOO weird they didnt have amy confetti last night. theyve done confetti at every newport show since 2011 , so the venue isnt the issue. maybe were going to have an aesthetic change for act 2 ???

cedar cradle
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The thing is pretty damn thick I honestly thought there was 2 discs in there

static sinew
cedar cradle
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Thanks for teaching me that lol

static sinew
cedar cradle
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He uses the blurryface sticks in the mvs too

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But not on stage I don’t think

static sinew
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actually its the opposite

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he uses the blurry era ones on stage and new ones in vids. you can tell bc the blurry era ones have black text and the new have white text. they havent released the new ones for sale yet , also suspicious

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also the lack of brand elements for clancy ,,,, like we got the logo + only 3 new symbols ? trench had like a dozen symbols on the back at least

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still waiting for new skeleton key design

cedar cradle
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Who makes the kit?

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Since I know Josh uses ziljian cymbals on tour

static sinew
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sjc

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theyve already teased new kits going on sale "soon"

cedar cradle
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Haven’t the boys taken enough of my money I need to get mr beast on the line now

umbral sandal
cedar cradle
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Can’t wait for inferno, may 2025

static sinew
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but if they had wed all know about it already lmao

umbral sandal
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well, i thought you were there, since you talked about there being no confetti.
also true, everything would have been flooded

fallow violet
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theres been no confetti on any of the small shows so

green night
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they didnt want the end to be leaked at all costs

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make it a different record

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and for sure other reasons

devout hound
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Am I missing anything here for why we’re getting more?:

  • Tyler said they were 50% done with an album back in 2021, and this contradicts the Spotify description of Clancy, meaning there’s more unreleased music
  • The “hello, Clancy” is not an ending. And the video will show more but it can’t change the lyrics, so there has to be something else to wrap up the story like Tyler said they would
  • it can’t be a B-side or deluxe album, as the record label wouldn’t let them do that. If they released a deluxe or B-side after people already bought vinyls and box sets and whatnot, it would damage their image if they released more discs n’ stuff for sale that’s not an EP or LP.
  • We know there’s something else coming without a doubt, cause’ at the exhibit the staff specifically pointed people in the direction of the puzzle, leading to “Clancy Ultimate Chapter 25.”
  • the merch rollout is about 1/3 of what both SAI and Trench were. There should be way more stuff, considering the band and whatnot
  • it would make sense to delay even announcing an ending, to avoid leaks at all cost. Tyler very clearly hates them
  • this was a very emotional and personal album, but not lore heavy at all. In fact, it probably had the least amount of lore out of any of the 4 lore albums. This doesn’t match all of the marketing and interviews and claims from the band.
  • the lore is tied directly into the music. This is an alt band. A band. There won’t be a conclusion in the Paladin MV with no new music. Paladin’s lyrics are set in stone now, they can’t be changed. This means there will be another song, EP, short film/movie, or an LP
  • blurryface and trench vinyls are both two discs, A and B sides on both, and clancy, which was supposed to be the big finale, is only one A side and one B side
  • after everything, after the LOC ARG, after the SAI release and MVs, this as a finale doesn’t make sense. This band is known for going way over the top with huge story and everything. This isn’t an ending.
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Am I missing any reasons/proofs/theories

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devout hound
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Oh sorry. When SAI and Trench were released, there was a lot more merch. Wider variety of hats shirts sweatshirts hoodies accessories, etc

pale harness
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oh i see

devout hound
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Clancy just doesn’t have that much

pale harness
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hmmm yeah

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i gotcha! ty for elaborating

devout hound
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Mmhm!

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Yeah we’re getting something big

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I have a gut feeling that this is the calm before an epic storm

pale harness
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I really really hope so

devout hound
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I hope

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Yeah me too

pale harness
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other era's also had hopes of double albums or anything but it was never something

devout hound
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Yeah true

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But there’s 100% something else coming. Whether it’s more music or not

pale harness
devout hound
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Cause’ we didn’t really get an ending

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Oh wait I missed one

devout hound
static sinew
# umbral sandal well, i thought you were there, since you talked about there being no confetti. ...

naw i just watched the trees part of the livestream bc im obsessed w documenting the trees confetti colors from each show theyve ever played (like did you know the beginning of bf era had red and white , and then switched to just red)

every era has had at least 2 different confetti color combos (red/white -> all red for blurry , all yellow -> yellow/green for trench , and blue/pink/yellow -> just blue/pink -> blue/pink/yellow + ned shapes for sai). im hoping this trend continues through clancy , so i was curious if maybe itd be like. all red for "evening with" and then red and yellow for world tour. or my personal headcanon that itll start red and yellow and slowly turn into orange throughout tour

static sinew
devout hound
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Yeah I agree

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I just compiled a list of reasons I’ve seen in this thread. I’m not defending the strength of most of them

static sinew
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makes sense

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we also never really got any follow-up on "claim cyan"

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i feel like the deluxe could very much have a diff aesthetic

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perhaps purple era real after all (<<<<< filled w copium)

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i just ,,,, it makes sense to me that they wouldnt order a bunch of red/yellow confetti if thats not the colors theyre gonna continue w

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trail sand
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Well this theory is looking more and more plausible

cloud lynx
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that they kinda sampled for Backslide

cloud lynx
lime carbon
cloud lynx
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? i'm sure he said "were" or smth like that

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or he added another word implying a scrapped song

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cloud lynx
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im gonna rewatch the video

lime carbon
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Shit i cannot distinguish whether it’s are or were

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Yeah just cuz i rewatched it but i cant say for sure😭

lime carbon
cloud lynx
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yup were

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green night
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Oh

cloud lynx
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well

green night
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How do you know

cloud lynx
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yes there might be more music

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he literally said "were"

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"were working on"

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either it's a finished song

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or a scrapped one

green night
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I mean it just means they used to work on it and now they're done with it

cloud lynx
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perhaps!

green night
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Considering how it's very plausible that they have more music but didn't use it, this is more evidence these other songs exist

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green night
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And could be put on a new record

cloud lynx
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well

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now that we have clues for a follow-uppppp

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perhaps y'all are right and it might be a finished song (maybe waiting to release?)

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haha

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or maybe it's from another song from Clancy and we just didn't found it yet

lime carbon
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Hmm ive been listening ti clancy a lot and cant make out that piano part tbh

lean mango
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I just said above

cloud lynx
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yeah

lime carbon
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Damn this is getting more and more interesting

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But also i dont wanna get my hopes upgrief grief

cloud lynx
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also, this has been said already but

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a few songs almost didn't make it on Clancy

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apparently

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so either they had other options, or... well yknow

lime carbon
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Okay im still a believer🔝changed my name

lean mango
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A lot of bands do that

lime carbon
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Ughhh idk, we need moreeeee infoooo

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cloud lynx
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we definitely had clues about cyan/purple and orange, right?

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even during SAI and maybe even during Trench

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they might use those colors at some point

cloud lynx
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graceful hill
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lean mango
green night
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the tapes are gone

remote estuary
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What if album 2 is blue

olive plume
# devout hound Am I missing anything here for why we’re getting more?: - Tyler said they were 5...

re: the impossibility of a deluxe album due to the fans already buying the standard album—i don’t want to bring up taylor swift because she’s an enigma on her own, but i do want to mention that with her latest double album drop, the second album doesn’t have a physical release (yet). and of the artists i know who’ve put out deluxe editions within the past few months (olivia rodrigo, being one (and i want to also mention melanie martinez, even though her deluxe album dropped the same weekend/streaming week as the standard version)), none of these deluxe versions of their albums have had physical releases either. so it might be likely that the deluxe version of clancy won’t be a physical piece of media but just something up on streaming

green night
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i dont think itd be a deluxe anyway tho

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it could be if they dont sell physical copies

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but theyve gone so so far with the marketing and hype for clancy that they would hugely miss out on selling the very finale

meager fjord
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Yeah it’d be crappy to add on more music to an album that people have already bought physical copies of

green night
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i dont think they make that much money just off of streams right?

meager fjord
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Heck, I’m still a little ticked that they released the signed copy of the journal after I bought the regular copy, but that’s less important

meager fjord
green night
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most ppl listen on spotify tho

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i think

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or apple music

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maybe that pays well idk

somber bear
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What if it’s not a deluxe album, but a companion album with a different name and album cover and everything

weak swallow
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would that not just be a double album 💀

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i don’t think we’re getting anything else other than a long paladin strait mv but i think a second album is much more likely than a deluxe

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or something separate to having 13 clancy songs than just having 3 more bonus clancy songs

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also why do so many artists have double albums/rumours this year

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taylor swift and now apparently billie and waterparks??

somber bear
wraith gulch
# devout hound Am I missing anything here for why we’re getting more?: - Tyler said they were 5...

One more thing to add is the unusual gap between album release and start of the tour for it. Historically the gap hasn’t been several months, it’s been much shorter (someone did a more detailed breakdown further up in this thread). Now, yes of course this could very well be explained that he just had a kid. Consider it one more possibility that maybe the break was built in for another reason (intentional Paladin MV delay, announcement for something more?)

I don’t think most of these bullet points are by themselves reasons we could have more music, but instead they are all pieces of a bigger puzzle that definitely point in that direction. The biggest clues imo are the FPE hint and what Tyler said on the livestream “does this SOUND like the end..?”

Also. The whole reason Tyler gave us for delaying the album was the importance of releasing it with ALL of the music videos at the same time. Why delay Paladin, then, unless it’s for a specific reason. To me this delay feels more planned than them just not finishing the edit on time, since they had the placeholder video, now there’s the delayed merch preorder for June 7th with it etc. This feels very intentional and imo signifies exactly what Paladin Strait the place is - a bridge between two places (well, a waterway, but yeah).

weak swallow
devout hound
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green night
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Also Clancy was not delayed because of other artists. SAI was released at the same time as Olivia Rodrigo and Trench was released at the same time as Gaga’s album.

weak swallow
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i don’t see what a longer ps mv wouldn’t solve that 3 more songs would

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Same

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Lavish is a fun song

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Midwest indigo also is a fun song

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Craving is for Jenna

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Like

rain birch
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Less than half the album is lore related

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Which is fine but look at Trench dawg

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Nico and the niners

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LIKE WHAT

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Bandito

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Morph

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Where were these in this album?

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Like I said though besides lore this album smacks and serves cunt at the same time. (My fiancée taught me the cunt lingo recently)

weak swallow
# compact arrow Morph

wasn’t morph only retroactively made lore through the outside mv or am i misremembering

weak swallow
compact arrow
weak swallow
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oh yeah my bad i completely forgot about the lyrics 💀💀💀

graceful hill
compact arrow
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I’m not tryna argue with people but the fact that some people believe that Trench is not as lore focused as Clancy is INSANE to me

weak swallow
graceful hill
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Oh

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Alright then, my bad

weak swallow
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i just completely forgot about the verses lol

graceful hill
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Lol

weak swallow
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i didn’t listen to any of the albums since february so i could listen to all of them right up to midnight for clancy

lean mango
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for example, Outkast had one of that style

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one album from each member of the duo

green night
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Trench had 7

heady temple
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A question, Paul Meaney said in his production overview of Overcompensate that he started doing work on the album about a year ago. Would that be time enough to do 2 albums? Cos that would mean doing it in about 9 months what with release stuff and music videos I think.

lean mango
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Theoretically, but it would be pretty tight

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they'd need to finish new songs at a rate of around 1 per 10 days

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of course there would be a lot of overlap

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a lot of songs being developed simultaneously, and dedicated production sessions towards the end could even be 4-5 days a week, so it's not unreasonable

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but it becomes a lot more reasonable if we consider the idea that some form of this has existed since before SAI

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If you remember the Chlorine production overview, the way it basically worked was that Tyler had a finished demo before Paul was involved at all

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he could've already had a lot of these before Paul started seriously working on Clancy and developing and finalizing them

remote grove
lime carbon
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Also i have a random question

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Why tf clancy vinyls seem to be kinda cheap

distant beacon
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?

lime carbon
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I mean even yesterday at the columbus show, the vinyl was like 25 bucks

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That’s really not a lot compared to others? Or am i tripping

distant beacon
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Oh I thought you meant cheap quality wise 😭

lime carbon
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Ohhh noo, money wise lmao

distant beacon
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Usually because it’s actively being produced and still being pressed

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Usually once a vinyl is done being pressed the prices go up as expected

lime carbon
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Hmmm, but even with trench i remember it was still being processed but cost me like 40-50??

distant beacon
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Trench is also a 2 LP album

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With two pressings

lime carbon
#

Oh yeah

distant beacon
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So. Double the price

lime carbon
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OH YEAH lol that explains it pretty much thank u lmao

distant beacon
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Yeah no problem lol!

fallow violet
#

i think i’m starting to believe the 25 means 2025

distant beacon
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I mean aren’t we kind of certain that someone said it was 25 OR 215?

lime carbon
fallow violet
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it’s the only way it makes sense for a double release to happen because if they released it right now it would be weird that we bought this release and they would want us to buy another one right now. but a year makes sense

lime carbon
#

This, but yeah, we’re still not sure

distant beacon
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A year from now doesn’t make sense as it’s mid tour.

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To be honest if there’s a double album I’d want them to come out and say it.

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Hoping paladin clears everything up

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Which I’m guessing will come out Friday june 7th or sooner

fallow violet
distant beacon
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Not to mention “Clancy final chapter 2/15” makes sense

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That’s when the tape appeared on the other albums and the red letters arrived

fallow violet
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i mean 15th of february next week is a saturday tho , i doubt they’d release something on a saturday

lime carbon
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Yeah but im not sold on the 2/15 tbh, maybe 2/5 more

fallow violet
distant beacon
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Just cause it’s a cool Easter egg

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I think it’s cool tbh

fallow violet
#

that’s such a stretch imo the date is not that relevant to be in a puzzle

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they never reference the date of the start of the album cycle

distant beacon
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Doesn’t mean they couldn’t

lime carbon
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Hmm true, but like i heard it was at the end of the exhibition??? Idk, need to ask the people there

distant beacon
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Yeah it was the final puzzle

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Is what I’ve seen

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I mean if the thing was at the end think about it

lime carbon
#

And ALSO, the people coordinating the exhibition really pointed out that exact puzzle

distant beacon
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Going through history building up to the latest era

green night
#

Ahhhhhh they keep getting away with being so cryptic

distant beacon
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And the end of the exhibition is “Clancy final chapter” on 2/15

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It makes sense chronologically for the event

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Cause it’s explaining their history up till the star.t of this era

green night
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Where does that 1 come from

distant beacon
#

Someone said it was either 25 or 215

green night
#

How tho

distant beacon
#

They wrote down both on their hand

green night
#

Lmao

lime carbon
distant beacon
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Idk what 2/5 would mean

lime carbon
distant beacon
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Hopefully someone will go through the event again and let us know

lime carbon
#

I mean what im not sold on, is the 1, as 2 and 5 are literal numbers and we just interpret the failed perimeter escape thing being the 1 or /

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I feel like there’s another meaning for that idk

distant beacon
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Ehhhh

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2/5 makes no sense to me

lime carbon
#

I feel like its just 25 and something tied up with the failed perimeter escape

distant beacon
#

Maybe that’s the date (in Clancy timeline) that it happened

lime carbon
#

Hmmm

distant beacon
#

Idk man but I just can’t buy into this double album thing at this point. I’d rather be pessimistic about it and then be wonderfully surprised later on than hope and hope and never get it.

lime carbon
#

Yeah true, i wanna have small expectations for it too, cause i dont wanna be dissapointed but there are just really weird signs and stuff surrounding this “wrap of the story”

distant beacon
#

Hoping paladin comes out and finishes the story. I’m so ready for it to be over.

lime carbon
#

Tbh i dont think it will either way, whether there will be more music or wont - even tyler said that the last battle takes after the album

distant beacon
#

I mean the mv is coming out…after the album? But yeah I’d rather have like a cool recorded live experience

lime carbon
#

Well yeah

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UGH so many questions and no answers

distant beacon
#

We just gotta wait a week at least, I wouldn’t be shocked if it came out around June 1st tbh

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Which is next Saturday

lime carbon
#

True

wraith gulch
#

I agree 2/5 makes less sense as 25 BUT why rotate the FPE thing like they did to make it look like a | and put it between the 2 and the 5?

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They 1. Didn’t have to rotate it and 2. Could have put it elsewhere (there were pages scattered everywhere around the puzzle)

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Is how it was rotated

lime carbon
#

Ughh i feel like we’re missing something here with the fpe

distant beacon
#

I’m so confused what is there

fallow violet
# wraith gulch

was the 2 and 5 coded there somehow or did it just straight up say 2 and 5

wraith gulch
#

Straight up

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All the letters and numbers were straight printed one letter per full page

lime carbon
wraith gulch
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The FPE page was such that the | filled up most of the vertical space of the page. I’m not saying it’s 100% saying 215 2/5 or whatever. I’m just saying it was prevalent enough that everyone else I was with was just as confused if it was 25 or 215 or 2/5

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Like it wasn’t small

fallow violet
#

if the placement is deliberate and it means 215 i don’t think they would encode it with just the 1 . why would they straight up put in 25 but encode the 1.. its either just 25 or 2/5 if its deliberate

wraith gulch
#

Yeah I do agree with that

olive plume
#

we need a clique artist to get in there so they can draw what this looks like for us

wraith gulch
#

Someone is

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Resident Boomer is going to try to sketch it

olive plume
#

oh hell yeah

lime carbon
wraith gulch
#

It’ll be hard to sketch. It’s the journal pages scattered across the wall in a big rectangle and the letters/numbers placed throughout

pure timber
#

What happened to I’m not home

cloud lynx
#

if "i'm not home" was an actual demo, what do u think it could've been about?

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i think it could've been a lore song, and it's reminding me of Bandito

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i mean, he literally is not "home", aka "Dema"

pure timber
#

Also been wondering
Tyler said Navigating and Routines wouldn’t have been on the record if not for Josh
Maybeee they were meant to be on the album/ep/deluxe whatever itll be
Cause Craving (Single version) is also not there on the album

cloud lynx
#

and it could make sense, in a "lore" way

cloud lynx
pure timber
cloud lynx
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right??

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also it implies they might have some other finished songs

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i mean i think it's not uncommon for artists to just... not release a finished/almost finished song, but that's weird in that specific case

pure timber
cloud lynx
#

maybe Nico is gonna seize him after the door opens?

lime carbon
#

Wait guys from where did u get that im not home thing

cloud lynx
#

The Vessel anniversary livestream

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Tyler showed some demos and stuff from RAB

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but he also """accidentally""" showed a file named "I'm not home"

distant beacon
#

Ngl that sounds like just a demo. Hell it even sounds like a demo for “leave the city”

cloud lynx
#

could be

distant beacon
#

I doubt it’s anything ngl

cloud lynx
#

it reminds me of Bandito

lime carbon
cloud lynx
#

oh wait no

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i'm mixing with Leave The City, in my head

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you're right

distant beacon
#

lol

cloud lynx
cloud lynx
distant beacon
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I mean he never has explained any of his past demos

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It’s just a thing he doesn’t do

cloud lynx
#

fair

weak swallow
#

maybe something on the 18th of june?

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2 weeks after 7th of june which is supposedly the date of ps mv

lime carbon
weak swallow
#

it could be saying that it’s not a date but a countdown until the dmaorg anniversary

lean mango
#

From what we know so far, it still says 5 today

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I'd think they'd decrease it if it was meant to be a countdown, but not sure

weak swallow
#

that’s true

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it could just be a thing where it doesn’t decrease because it’s showing their history and people in the future would just say it came out 25 days after but that’s a reach

lofty crane
#

reasons like more music? so that all (new) clancy songs can be included? 👀

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green night
lofty crane
#

it's in songbattles

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its announcement

green night
#

do you know who made that

fallow violet
#

i dont think anyone knows anything

lofty crane
#

announcement is from this person

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lofty crane
fallow violet
olive plume
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not sure if it means anything

graceful hill
#

16 jun???

fallow violet
olive plume
#

that’s what i thought! but i wanted to send it here just in case it turned out to be something 🙃 especially since we do have “early june” as a timeline

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though i’m not sure if june 16 still counts as “early june”

distant beacon
#

Doesn’t mean anything stats fm glitches all the time

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Plus 16th is not early June lmao

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That’s wayyyy later than I want it to be

fallow violet
#

yea june 16th is also a sunday i think

distant beacon
#

June 1st-7th 🤞🏻

fallow violet
green night
#

aaaaaand we have a release date

distant beacon
#

Yep!

green night
#

lmfao

distant beacon
#

what

green night
#

inferno album out june 16th 🔥

distant beacon
#

Lmaooooo

distant beacon
olive plume
#

“happy pride month. here’s the paladin strait music video.”

silent cairn
#

I'm hoping it's either in the morning or midnight EST again.

#

I should in theory be free for that.

distant beacon
#

On the 1st?

silent cairn
#

Then again I've been give three completely different descriptions for my job.

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Date doesn't matter too much, as much as time.

lean mango
#

did I miss something?

green night
#

double album leaked

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nah jk

#

we need those russians to do their job again and leak infos 💀

lean mango
#

but is the release date/confirmation real or just a joke?

silent cairn
#

The new album is purple and has a butterfly on it.

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👀

green night
lean mango
#

ah, i see

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was out like an hour

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genuinely thought I missed something big lol

fallow violet
green night
#

sorry guys 💀

#

i totally get that

fallow violet
#

its alright im laughing😭

lean mango
#

I'm not 😡

green night
#

imagine its just "Clancy is Dead" the cover is black and its all the clancy songs but with ominous sounds and that low bishop voice

lean mango
#

just kidding

weak swallow
#

is it just me or did tyler seem like he wasn’t proud of this album during the livestream ?

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he said that certain songs wouldn’t have made it into the album without josh and they weren’t going to win any awards for the album

green night
#

i think hes still proud

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but thats a point

fallow violet
#

i feel like hes like this with every album tbh its just the way he is

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i mean he even said in the rocksound interview he regrets some stuff on trench for whatever reason

green night
#

yeah fr hes the biggest critic

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theres nothing to hate or even not-love on trench

teal compass
#

This album is definitely the biggest return to that self hatred/anxiety about his own work since blurryface which is interesting and I wonder if he kinda pushed himself to release stuff he was unsure of to get back to that mindset instead of the mindset of sai where he was very sure of the music and not anxious at the time and then it flopped entirely

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Same thing happened with trench where he kept picking away at the tiny details worrying about the small stuff until august

weak swallow
#

if he was serious about not liking routines and navigating then i can’t imagine it’s easy to see so many people saying those are the best songs when he thought they weren’t worth putting on the album

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especially when people are ranking oldies station and snap back pretty low in comparison

green night
#

i think tyler has a different view on his songs anyway tho

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we enjoy both the music and the lyrics but mostly the music

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but for tyler the song is made on paper first

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so its clear why he likes oldies station so much

meager fjord
#

Releasing something that’s raw and vulnerable like this album is always hard- he’s essentially exposing bits of himself that he’s never shared before, and returning to really painful places in his life- that’s never easy

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Especially when you couple that with something as subjective as music taste- people are going to love or hate certain things (because we’re all different, and that’s normal), and it’s hard to see something that personal get picked apart, even if you knew it was going to happen

green night
#

damn

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i feel bad for tyler

meager fjord
#

Yeahhh- though in all honesty, that’s basically just being an artist and releasing stuff like they do- it’s going to be painful, it’s going to be hard, not everyone is going to like or connect with what you put out there- but ultimately the point is to do it for the people who do like and connect with it. If a song can make one person feel heard and seen, that song is worth releasing. It’s worth the personal pain, if it can help even one person.

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In my own personal philosophy, at least- I don’t pretend to speak for Tyler

silent cairn
#

Yeah, there's a lot of anxiety with creative work.

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So many wild and different ideas can feel like gambles.

compact arrow
#

Either way this album fucking slaps bro

#

Fuck the lore, fuck the history. Clancy as a stand-alone album is yet another great album

ember sinew
#

Absolutely

teal compass
#

I think with Routines and Navigating (especially navigating because of the video context lol) Tyler could appreciate the poeticism behind josh literally “guiding” him towards these successes, josh is half of the band and he knows his boy has good taste. It might sting a bit for Tyler’s favorite song or the most personal song to not be the most popular on the record but I think it’s also gotta feel great to know you had a friend who believed in you and was there to support you and saw the quality in what you were making even when you didn’t believe in yourself

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I think generally Tyler’s favorites or most personal songs aren’t the cliques favorites as well, there’s an added layer of josh fighting for them to be on the album but I think Tyler’s used to his personal #1 track or some of the deeper emotional cuts getting passed up popularity wise

tawdry solstice
#

Did nobody noticed the end audio of Navigating music video completely matched with My blood beginning audio ?

teal compass
#

Yeah it’s my blood

#

It’s a callback to the music video

#

Boys mom dies and he imagines a brother to help him through his struggles then we find out at the end he wasn’t real

tawdry solstice
#

Yeah i didn't see much talk about it so I thought it wasn't noticed

teal compass
#

There’s so many things people aren’t really talking about it’s kinda weird, it’s like full theories are on pause until the Paladin music video

tawdry solstice
#

Also the fairly local and overcompensate similarities make me feel there will be another album or at least a bonus track

tawdry solstice
tawdry solstice
graceful hill
meager fjord
#

Yeah honestly- most of my takeaways have been… obvious? It’s like there’s not much to theorize because it’s basically just… confirming what we’ve guessed already… plus tiny little details that are just fun Easter eggs

graceful hill
#

Any new double album evidence

cloud lynx
#

what is it?

green night
#

pulls out a some dust, a clip, 3 buttons and a bunch of flies out their pockets

cloud lynx
#

lmao

trail vigil
#

Okay, so I would like to believe there's a double album coming in June, but I'm still a bit confused on how it would work with their Clancy tour starting right after that. Would they throw the second album on the setlist, or would they tour separately for it later?

silent cairn
#

hi any double album leaks?

vague jetty
weak swallow
trail vigil
#

That could make sense

#

I want it to happen, but it just seems like a lot to pull off logistically, especially since they've done an mv for every song on Clancy

weak swallow
#

that’s what i keep saying lol

teal compass
#

if we do get another album id expect the 25 to mean 2025 though

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and id probably expect a deluxe edition more than a full project

#

the clancy tour ending 3 days before the blurryface 10th anniverssary is something ill bring up again

#

perfect time to do it

trail vigil
#

Hmm I think that sounds more reasonable (to me at least) than a full album out that quick

weak swallow
#

i don’t think they’d release another album at the end of the tour

teal compass
#

theyd be doing another tour after, they always have multiple legs or multiple tours

weak swallow
#

there’s probably more dates they haven’t finalised yet because they’ll probably go back to america like they did for sai and trench

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and tyler said overcompensate is the opener for a few years and the tour opener is usually the first track from the album

#

i think if they’re going to release music it will be before august

teal compass
#

i mean its called clancy final chapter it makes sense to use the clancy songs still to me

#

id imagine its a deluxe edition or ep and they just add a couple songs to the setlist though

weak swallow
#

yeah i don’t think a double album in 2025 would make sense because clancy has been consistently called the last album in the story

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and a year is way too long for a second part to be an addition to clancy

#

at that point it would just be its own album separate from clancy

trail vigil
#

True

#

That would just be a really short gap between albums, not a double album

weak swallow
#

if there is more music coming soon it’s most likely just a 3-4 lore heavy songs that will take the place of songs like stressed out, heathens, ride, car radio

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because they’re already missing from the club show setlist already

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they could add them back but i wouldn’t see the point in removing them just to start playing them again a few months later

trail vigil
#

I kinda like the Goner theory that Blurryface is the final album in the story arch, so they could be releasing new mvs for those songs to finish the story

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Or just three to four new songs for the deluxe version

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Call it Clancy (Inferno) or something

weak swallow
#

tyler said that only “some of them are lower budget diy tapes” which wouldn’t make sense with what we got because unless i’m missing something most of them seemed pretty low budget and diy

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i think the only one that looked like it had a higher budget was navigating and even that didn’t seem to have the same budget as saturday or the outside

cloud lynx
#

that's sus

ember sinew
#

Didn’y think about that but yeah totally

#

T*

wraith gulch
#

Navigating was mostly running around in the woods and setting fire to pallets. Higher budget maybe than like Oldies Station but not high budget at all

green night
wraith gulch
#

Yeah I agree

#

I think these MVs would have already been shot

#

Or are part of some EP big saga that is Paladin Strait and 3-4 more songs all in one big movie

#

Which would explain the high budget comments

weak swallow
#

i honestly think that paladin strait will be a very extended video with a few songs in it that will be released on streaming after

wraith gulch
#

Yep me too

cloud lynx
#

i also think this is possible

ember sinew
#

Oooh i like the “all lore” EP theory, like a film you can actually pull appart into 3/4 mvs

wraith gulch
#

PS plus maybe 3 songs

#

Depending on length of songs

wraith gulch
cloud lynx
#

and it could actually "close" the story

ember sinew
#

And guess what? They would do a deluxe Dema album with actually every song lore related in order, compiling everything from start to finish, filling the holes

cloud lynx
#

also tbh i've seen people saying they probably didn't want to put the actual end on this record for a few reasons (like leaks)
and this would kinda make sense to me

wraith gulch
#

And if it’s, at least initially, a YouTube-only premier deal that would be a good way to avoid leaks since they have complete control of it. And they can make a physical extra edition later

green night
#

It'd be so cool if it released as one short movie that's a music video of multiple songs that release soon after

cloud lynx
ember sinew
#

Omg guys we’re really into something with this

#

It makes so much sense

green night
ember sinew
#

Absolutely

#

Wait- maybe that’s actually why PS MV was delayed, because of the leaks, like they decide to put everything on the last video to avoid leaks ??

#

Like last minute decision

green night
#

Could be

#

The thing is that they need lyrics to tell the story

ember sinew
#

Bc It Still seems a bit weird to me that Tyler “lied” about us getting all the MVs the same day

green night
#

And there's no more lyrics

cloud lynx
green night
#

Yes

ember sinew
#

Yea true

green night
#

I thought maybe they're so close to finishing it that he just simplified it to "it's done"

cloud lynx
#

true

wraith gulch
#

I can see two scenarios for that. Either 1) PS MV is a standalone thing with a cliffhanger (and teaser announcement) just like the song itself, and at like the end of June there’s another 3-4 songs with accompanying video saga, or 2) everything early June with Paladin

#

And it’s a complete surprise

#

I can see them doing another livestream

weak swallow
#

i still think any extra songs will be 25 days after clancy drops on the anniversary of the first clancy letter

wraith gulch
#

To hide the length of the Paladin MV release

#

If it turns out to be my second scenario

weak swallow
#

maybe paladin strait comes out 7th of june and then 2 weeks later the extra songs in it are on streaming

ember sinew
#

I think the 1st theory makes more sense actually bc it wouldn’t make sense to give such odd numbers like “25” and ultimate chapter if the whole ending is told just through PS

wraith gulch
#

But I agree I think it’ll be split to draw it out more

green night
#

What other numbers have mattered a lot in top history

cloud lynx
weak swallow
green night
#

Nah to me nearly impossible

green night
weak swallow
#

that’s the only one i can think of rn anyway

green night
#

Cuz that's a date

ember sinew
#

Maybe the MV will, for a bit, but there is definitely more songs coming

green night
#

Maybe if there was some other number and it represented "days after" then 25 could be the same

ember sinew
#

They’re actually good at gatekeeping

green night
#

They're criminally good at it

weak swallow
#

so i wouldn’t be surprised if paladin is just tyler acting afterwards tbh

ember sinew
#

Yep, but now , with no more letters from Clancy, it would be weird to tell a story without necessarily music

weak swallow
#

it would feel bad to not have the ending listenable on streaming though

green night
#

It was a summary imo

ember sinew
#

Yea agree

silent cairn
#

Yeah, ending the music on a cliffhanger does't make sense.

green night
#

They've told the entire story with lyrics and they teased a big fight in every way possible

#

Somethings up

silent cairn
#

Additionally, Tyler kind of implied PS isn't the end on the livestream

weak swallow
#

but it still broke the barrier into regular non music storytelling so i wouldn’t be hugely surprised if paladin is just acting

green night
#

He 100% implied that

trail vigil
#

I mean they could end it on a loop

ember sinew
#

Yea that’s pretty much confirmed with several proofs

cloud lynx
green night
#

Like no one on earth says "is this the end?" If it's actually the end lmaoo

ember sinew
#

He litteraly said Clancy teases something that comes afterwards

weak swallow
cloud lynx
#

a very few footage perhaps

ember sinew
compact arrow
#

Ngl

#

I think PS mv is gonna be 15 mins +

trail vigil
#

I mean this isn't the end of their music careers, so it's not the end end

weak swallow
#

where he puts on the mask and looks at the camera

#

i am returning to trench and all that

weak swallow
ember sinew
compact arrow
#

Ok take a second and look at the MV that were shot during the winter.

green night
#

What if

#

There is no paladin strait mv

ember sinew
#

Shit. During the winter.

compact arrow
#

This could’ve been anywhere between November 2023 and what February 2024

trail vigil
cloud lynx
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no it wasn’t

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some footage was reused but not all of it

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some of those shots were just used for i am clancy and nothing else

cloud lynx
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There is only a short movie containing paladin together with the birds (some scenes where they traverse trench), the part where Tyler encounters nico, then the entire fight accompanied by the new music and thats it

fallow violet
# weak swallow where he puts on the mask and looks at the camera

that was technically from oc so still , from a music video. i dont think it would work as just acting, they are still a music band at the end of the day they told the whole story through songs theres no reason to have an acting sequence without accompanying music

green night
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They can't release the paladin mv because they'd release all the other songs with it too

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Snap back was the first MV they shot. Then there was Midwest that was in the winter along with Oldies.

pale harness
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why my dog just howl at 2:43am

green night
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It's all woven into one story

weak swallow
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yeah i don’t think any additional story wouldn’t have a song but i wouldn’t be hugely surprised if it was just acting

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Lavish and ATROFB were in March

pale harness
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wrong chat my bad

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Craving both single and Jenna could’ve been any time

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They were shooting paladin when they were in Europe.

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So very recently.

green night
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Wdym

wraith gulch
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Maybe I’m delulu but I THINK I remember them saying a few years back during the Trench era that making a film would be a goal for telling Clancy’s story

fallow violet
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It’s possible but also possible the other way around

green night
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Yes we need attention on this puzzle cuz it's loaded with new stuff that most definitely leads to some definitive clues

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I think they used the small shows to both play shows and travel for PS MV

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The more I think about it, it’s 1 of 2 things.

cloud lynx
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We get an EP (Clancy PT2 or Inferno)

green night
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Erm what the sigma

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Or we basically get a mini movie with PS

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That’s literally the 2 things we get.

wraith gulch
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Yeah

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Also if you haven’t please up vote this forum. I’d love to see this get to 100 and also thanks for using my forum as a way to discuss shit.

fallow violet
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Not many admins so you guys can literally talk about everything here idc

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wraith gulch
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The listening party you mean?

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Netherlands and Poland had crazy listening parties

fallow violet
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Wait maybe all of the lore related MVs and clips were shot in Iceland. Which is why they can’t show them rn, they’re all interlinked and that’s where the big budget was

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I rage quit this server because the admins can be unbearable.

fallow violet
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the escape rooms in europe was just something the warner people cooked up

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It’s extremely cringe the way this server is ran sometimes. Grown ass adults btw.

slate jewel
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so double album truthers how are we feeling (I am not reading the 2,000+ messages in here)

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cloud lynx
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ember sinew
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A lot of them

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Either way PS is going to close everything out if it isn’t EP or 2nd album.

ember sinew
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Either way the PS MV is the end of Clancy and serves as a teaser and beginning as well

lean mango
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9

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Nah I truly believe PS will close everything out.

fallow violet
lean mango
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o, bruh, discord didn't scroll

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but ye, 9 is significant for top

lean mango
green night
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Chat is a bit too fast here, if anyone wants to read my theory it's in the theories channel

lean mango
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If that was the case, there wouldn't be a need for another riddle because there'd be nothing to hint towards, we already know the music video is coming

slate jewel
fallow violet
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it would still be part of this album though

cloud lynx
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if it is an extended version of Clancy, fair

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you could say that

fallow violet
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well yeah obviously. we would still be in the clancy era

ember sinew
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GoodNight frens 😉 have fun theorizing, I love you all

cloud lynx
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well

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honestly

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I can see Clancy’s Last Chapter (the translated hint from FPE) being a deluxe LP with all of the lore songs from the beginning to end in chronological lore order including any new songs that we are speculating on. It would differentiate itself enough that I think it would justify its own standalone physical release, and it would put a tidy little bow on the whole lore.

So my official theory is-

June 7 - Paladin MV that is maybe a little longer than the song but still ends on a teaser like the song does, and with a hint or announcement of more to come later in the month.

End of June (6/25 maybe) is the release of the last few(?) songs with one long video maybe comprising of MVs for these extra songs). This will be done via YouTube livestream again.

Then a couple/few months later Clancy Last Chapter comes out which is the lore deluxe album start to finish which allows us to have a physical copy of everything lore start to finish.

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I’m sorry I just don’t believe that they had a record 50% FINALIZED and scrapped it. They definitely have something up their sleeves. And this music from the record isn’t some generic music. They definitely were cooking something up after Trench. They were working on shit throughout the bandito tour.

cloud lynx
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tbh i thought that they might end the story after the tour

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cloud lynx
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yeah

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Eh just a massive hole with them dropping I am Clancy and the OC mv and only giving us navigating as the only lore video since OC

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Now that you said that @fallow violet

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If they have had PS done for awhile

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And it still wasn’t done.

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That means it’s long AS FUCK

fallow violet
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didnt he say it's done and ready though

green night
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Imo it contains the new songs too

fallow violet
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i gotta go listen back to what he said exactly

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but i got the impression that they are just delaying it just because they want us to hear the audio first

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I thought mark said there was a bit more editing needing to be done.

wraith gulch
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So

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He said two things

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Halfway through he said the video is shot and the editing isn’t finished. Then at the end of the livestream he said it’s done and ready to go they just aren’t showing it yet

cloud lynx
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I rewatched it this morning

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So the second time he could have just misspoken. Or he could have slipped up

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Either way both plausible

cloud lynx
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i mean honestly it was starting to be late over there

wraith gulch
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Yeah which could explain both options

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It’s late so he misspoke. Or it’s late and he slipped up

lean mango
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I don't really expect an extended Paladin MV for two big reasons:

green night
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Maybe he mixed up paladin with a newer song that has an mv

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I have officially dropped the double album theory.

green night
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Like non clancy song

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PS is a mini movie.

fallow violet
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Early June is June 1st through like June 10th right?

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Either way it’s a mini movie.

wraith gulch
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Yeah but June 7 is the merch pre order which makes sense

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Gonna die on that hill

lean mango
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-It wouldn't make sense to have the music end and then do a substantial amount of lore stuff with no music
-Paladin is about a very particular subject that doesn't only relate to the lore aspect, and wouldn't make a lot of sense to soundtrack the ending as well even if they do extend it

fallow violet
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Especially because he said

lean mango
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If the rest of the story isn't soundtracked by Paladin, it will probably be a separate video, especially if it's new music

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Idk man

wraith gulch
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Does this “SOUND” like the end?

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lean mango
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Stop with the mind fuck games Tyler

cloud lynx
# fallow violet honestly when the rollout started it immediately seemed fishy to me that they wo...

Btw
If they didn't release all the MVs at once, i think we could have received new lore and new MVs progressively over time, during the duration of the tour or after it... and letters and stuff, like, new lore

But now they're releasing all the MVs with the album... no progression at all? No new lore during the tour? Seems weird to me
Either way, whether they end it before the tour or after, there has to be more music and more MVs

lean mango
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I could see that being a video hint, but only as something separate from the Paladin MV which we know is coming already

green night
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He really maxed out those gatekeeping skills

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Haha yes he did

fallow violet
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green night
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Seems like cycles break but the cycle of being cryptic never does

cloud lynx
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I don't know how likely it is, but yeah, it'd just be weird to suddenly end it rn...

wraith gulch
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I don’t think it’ll be a deluxe Clancy album because I agree that’s kind of shitty for people who bought multiple versions. But I do think it’s possible as either a standalone EP with the new songs or as the end of a Lore LP with ALL of the lore songs in order not just Clancy lore songs

fallow violet
# cloud lynx I totally see maybe a few songs & MVs and lore stuff dropping over time, and may...

the only reason i hope whatever more music for clancy might be coming is next year is because it makes more sense marketing wise. like it would feel very weird to suddenly drop a part 2 right now when you just dropped part 1 and made us buy it thinking it's the end, but if it's spaced out for a year for example. the marketing still works it's still the same album it would just have two parts

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Imo they aren't releasing and cannot release the paladin strait mv because there isn't one. They're filming a short film with the battle and the ending of the story that starts with the song paladin strait (possibly as background music), it progresses until it reaches the birds sounds (maybe here the banditos are traversing trench), clancy now encounters nico (lyrics and mv are identical here), and here's where the song stops but the mv continues with the actual battle while the new songs play in the background/are enacted
They can't release paladin because they'd release all the other songs with it, it's all part of this big chapter: the end of the story

wraith gulch
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I’m personally split on that theory or if it’s split between Paladin early June and rest late June.

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It just depends on what 25 means

green night
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Yeah I haven't accounted for the number 25

wraith gulch
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Until we have that hint I would have 1000% agreed with you

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Now idk. Torn

green night
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So it's more plausible it's that except it's split in two parts

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Idk

wraith gulch
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Yeah. Plus it would extend the story in real time filling out the time between Clancy release and tour start

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# wraith gulch I think that’s certainly possible, but I think it’s more likely that it all happ...

yeah it definitely doesnt sound impossible for it to be done that way, i think its mainly just a personal preference because i dont like the idea of them putting out more music that would not exist on a physical copy immediately. like for examples taylors album rn the second part only exists on streaming for now, and im sure she'll release the rest in physical copies later when it will be beneficial for her to regain numbers again but it is a sketchy marketing move

wraith gulch
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I think we will get another hint as to which is the case based on how they do the MV release. If it’s a debut like the first four singles we will be able to see the length of the MV. If it’s a livestream like the other night that tells me they are trying to keep the length a secret because it’s way longer than the song.

cloud lynx
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a final chapter next year while still being "Clancy" doesn't sound too far fetched to me

wraith gulch
cloud lynx
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it'd kinda work marketing wise, it is the end, it's just not releasing all at once

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(could be a bit shitty for the people who bought the 99999 vinyl and CD variants tho)

fallow violet
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Clancy tv show

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One episode every week until the tour

wraith gulch
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Hahaha

cloud lynx
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A mini series with new music

green night
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I mean it'd only have to be 12 episodes

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Or 12 songs 🤯🤯

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13 + 12 = 25

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We solved it

cloud lynx
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More seriously I think it is unlikely

green night
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Ye

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We may have found the end of the rabbit hole

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Is there any possible theory left

wraith gulch
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Yes

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Clancy Last Chapter 25 means Clancy/Tyler stops making music in 25 years. K thx bai

storm ether
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was the number still 25 at the FPE today

wraith gulch
vague jetty
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That’s his theory

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Or one of them

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I don't think you can wrap the story up in a single track.

storm ether
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There's the final battle and the epilogue.

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Plus some extra tracks to flesh it out and maybe just serve as a good a radio single without being too lore heavy.

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Something really interesting to me here is the multiple sets of antlers surrounding the Clancy ultimate chapter thing

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That to me implies we’re seeing more sets come into the story, I wonder if we’ll be seeing the bishops fighting back in full force together with their antlers or if Clancy will somehow find a way for other banditos to harness the power

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We know the bishops have at least one pair, and I’d say it’s reasonable to presume they all have their own pair since we’ve seen the 9 vulture symbolism appearing together and the multiple people on the sub and stream, are we getting a choreographed 8 person dance number in Paladin instead of clancys solo beach dance party

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That’s a great takeaway, very plausible.

rich pewter
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storm ether
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seized for clancy

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Okay i tried to read everything but couldn’t cause there is A LOT

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So basically we’re still hanging on the PS mv in early june teasing more music at the end of the video and then something on 6/25?

fathom charm
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I believe in an ep btw

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Anyways, sorry if it's a stupid question, but did the pre-ordered merch arrive to anyone yet? I havent ordered but im really curious about the clancy journal

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Also if it wont arrive until paladin mv, i think we might have more letters?

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the lack of clancy letter, especially after finding out about the torchbearer, is so suspicious to me

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True tho

reef sapphire
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every other time clancy had a large revelation in lore (saturday we got his breakout and imprisonment story, the outside we got the siezing letter and meeting the torchbearer, trench we got his dissociated pov)

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but then he finds out someone has a whole new, unexplained power and hes silent? nah

teal compass
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Yeah there’s literally no way to actually learn about guiding in the story without Tyler’s out of universe comment it’s weird

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It’s like if they never gave us the letters explaining the antlers and just left that undefined entirely and we didn’t know what seizing was from Clancy

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There’s a reason so many people saw the video and walked away with the idea that josh just wasn’t real and Clancy imagined him lol

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They haven’t actually told that part of the story to us yet which is strange

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I mean we still don't know how it works. Can everyone see torchbearer? Does that make the music cutaways (when it cuts from a thing happening to them playing music) canon?

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The logistics are so unexplained that there has to be something more, otherwise it's the sloppiest way they could end it

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i think it's a mental image he's projecting to a specific person, so only Clancy would see him

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He "guided" the Banditos with a different Version of him to the coast to get Clancy maybe aswell?

reef sapphire
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So there's two torchbearer projections, and he was leading them to the cliff to see that Clancy had made it?

umbral sandal
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That's what i'm thinking.. Not necessarily to see if he made it, since he already knows?
Hm, i see why there's so much confusion now 😄 In my head Torchbearer ability works like the Shadow Clones in Naruto, where the Original one knows about everything the "clones" experience

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It's just assumption on my end

reef sapphire
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Not to show himself, but to show the banditos and give them proof and hope

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Yeah, it's so unexplained

umbral sandal
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I'm sure at some point we'll get a somewhat full story when everything is finished

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Or when we have a 10 Year Anniversary Stream for Trench/Clancy heeheegiggle

green night
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im not gonna wait until 2034 💀

green night
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wait hold on hold on

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TRIPLE ALBUM THEORY

cloud lynx
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i mean

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I MEAN

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actually

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they could release smth for the final battle, and THEN an epilogue? (much later i guess)

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is that what u mean?

green night
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No

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Triple album

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13 + 12 + 12

pale harness
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Tripple album is insane

green night
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37

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Nah jk