Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[shadow mirage]

I wouldn’t be able to rank top 10 songs by them. Every one of them is perfect, it justs depends mostly in what mood I am and what time it is lol

[lilac sandal]

that's rough

Still my fav album, though Breach will probably rival it for me

[tawny wigeon]

already seems like im gonna prefer breach

[random pivot]

so far both of the singles we have gotten are all i ever ask for to top just heavy gritty shit and what i was expecting clancy to be so if the album continues this path i might just end up liking more than their objective best album trench

obviously not all of breach is gon be heavy and i don’t even want the full thing to carry the same level of heavyness i still want my hugely sad moments n shit but

[rapid nest]

the album is really gonma be emotional

[random pivot]

yup definitely

[rapid nest]

aoty 2025

[tawny wigeon]

they better submit to the 2027 grammys, the 2026 season

[rapid nest]

probably taylor swift will win Grammys suck

a song called abcdfu won grammy awards, I dont like them

[random pivot]

ion even need em to get an aoty grammy just give them the rock aoty grammy

[tawny wigeon]

yeah they'd never win the main aoty, but rock definitely could

[random pivot]

rawfear is by far the song im hyped the most about deffo

[rapid nest]

it deserves it 1000x like main aoty

i love we got AMA awards for clancy tho ily ama fuck you Grammys

[tawny wigeon]

it deserves it, but sadly the system is rigged against bands and artists like top

[shadow mirage]

Im kinda hyped for One Way. It sounds like a fun song from the snippets

[rapid nest]

SAME

[honest roost]

controversial question but are there any songs yall ARENT looking forward to based off the snippets

mine is days lie dormant but obvs still gonna listen to it probably 1000 times

[tawny wigeon]

probably days lie dormant yea

[jolly oyster]

Honestly, garbage hasn’t really popped out to me like the other songs

[honest roost]

prolly cause it’s garbage

[jolly oyster]

Facts, it’s also now surrounded by two singles which will probably shadow it for me

[rapid nest]

i really really really wonder the topic of garbage

[red patrol]

Based off of the snippets alone, One Way. But I think that's more due to the fact that we don't have as much to go off of for that song

[jolly oyster]

I forgot we got a good amount of lyrics for rawfear

[honest roost]

this is a stretch but when i think of the lore and the word garbage i wonder if it’s in reference to the discarded vessels after they’ve been used. no evidence to back this just straight curiosity

[rapid nest]

im gonna really really really like one way tbh

[atomic blaze]

Robot voices (don’t kill me)

[rapid nest]

it sounds so interesting

[rapid nest]

tbh if it was like before the song came out it would've been drum show but jesus christ this song fucks, i wasn't that hyped for drum show but oh my fucking god tyler Joseph how are you so talented

[honest roost]

id be a liar to say i was stoked for a song titled as “drum show” lol but it’s easily become one of my favorites. the GRIT

[rapid nest]

if the uo tracklist was real, we would've not have drum show just saying

[fresh quiver]

i was honestly not on board with robot voices at first but i think it’s gonna fit perfectly between downstairs which might be more somber and depressing, and center mass which is really triumphant

[stone hornet]

Center mass is what I'm least looking forward to 😬

[rapid nest]

thank God it was fake

[fresh quiver]

one way is the only one that i’m not really looking at rn but it’s awesome that so far it’s 12/13 for me

[rapid nest]

you will love one way trust

[fresh quiver]

i think it’s cuz i thought it would be lore at first and now it’s kinda just a blank space in my mind now

but i mean im sure ill love it the same way i do not today and legend, if its anything indie inspired thats going straight to the playlist

[random pivot]

wait there’s guitar on days lie dormant wtf

[honest roost]

after googling what center mass is im super confused about what the context of the song is gonna be tbh

[rapid nest]

i hope its like the outside of breach

[fresh quiver]

yeah maybe, i just know it’s gonna be so hard to make song rankings haha it already feel criminal to say that the contract gets out rocked by the second single

[stone hornet]

It's giving physics flashbacks

[random pivot]

how can you know it’s not lore tho

[fresh quiver]

i mean like a direct lore video, thought it would be something like the contract - one way - city walls

it could also be the placement next to other mellow tracks like DLD and cotton wood that make me wonder how it’s gonna measure up if it’s lukewarm in volume yknow

[marble wasp]

My prediction for center mass is that it will be Jenna's song for this album

[oblique goblet]

no you shouldn’t have spread it, it’s actually disrespectful to the guys who’ve been working on this for we all know how long, not only disrespectful to the fans who might have the ending ruined on us, but disrespectful also to yourself - by thinking spreading bs slop like this helps anyone or anything

[rapid nest]

?

[atomic blaze]

Here we go again

[tawny wigeon]

tf

[oblique goblet]

don’t spoil the ending on people. don’t share ending spoilers. please.

[atomic blaze]

Hey so this is a leak thread and it was hidden under a spoiler tag

[tawny wigeon]

brother this is a leak channel. its inevitable that ending leaks will be shared

[atomic blaze]

Why be rude when it’s already been talked through and tbh the nova bishop boxset spoiled way more than an unreliable vibe check on the ending

[tawny wigeon]

if you dont want leaks, dont look in the leaks channel?? 😭

[sterile glen]

“why be rude” question asked to user named evil demon from hell

[random pivot]

and yall keep going goddamn 😭😭😭

[tawny wigeon]

me when leaks are shared in the leaks channel

[main knoll]

In this case the speculation that was shared was already kinda deemed improbable. And this topic was discussed a few hours ago, too… let’s take a breath lol

[granite monolith]

Really living up to your name icl

[atomic blaze]

Also since we’re circling back everything is end game now and I was being genuine on asking how we should approach any non-music file leaks moving forward

[tawny wigeon]

I think, non-music leaks can be sent here without a spoiler tag... at the end of the day we're all in this channel because we're here for leaks. if u dont want leaks then dont look in this channel bruh

[stone hornet]

Spoiler tag just to be safe imo

[granite monolith]

Yeah, if you want theories on what hasn't leaked, go to #theories

[tawny wigeon]

@oblique goblet brother stop reacting down to everything, get out of the leaks channel if u dont want to see leaks ffs

[atomic blaze]

I think spoiler tag and a warning is just a courtesy. Since we’re in such a close timeline to the album

[granite monolith]

The channel literally says "spoilers" you only have yourselves to blame

[rapid nest]

this thread literally has "spoilers " on the name

[muted axle]

EVERYONE STOP FOR ONE SECOND!

[tawny wigeon]

for potential ending leaks fair. but it literally says spoilers 😭

[oblique goblet]

Thank you. The other guy isn’t making sense at all. Spoiler and a proper WARNING

[random pivot]

first of all to me that was clearly fake, second why the hell would you not want spoilers and still get into the LEAK theories chat and open a message that is clearly with a spoiler warning

[atomic blaze]

Hey so we had that and you were still rude

[rapid nest]

i did do that literally

[muted axle]

💀

[granite monolith]

Holy minimod behaviour, that still just does no excuse berating other server members

[oblique goblet]

It’s just crazy to me that someone would share it in the first place. But fair, I missed the warning somehow

[tawny wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-twenty-one-pilots-josh-dun-joshler-gif-8614148485120069343

[honest roost]

yall are gonna get us all in trouble with the mods lol

[granite monolith]

It's crazy people would send spoiler leaks in the spoiler leaks chat? Just go to theories dawg

[tawny wigeon]

bro's downvoting gifs

[atomic blaze]

Ok if you have a spicy leak then spoiler tag? I think most of us here have been here long enough that we can make that discretion.

We have a wild amount of anti-leakers in this thread lmao

[oblique goblet]

Scroll a few messages up, im not the only one saying it, it’s just everyone who was saying it is gone, so you’re able to dog pile me right now. Whatever man. No standards mfs

[granite monolith]

I don't care if you were or not, that doesn't excuse being a prick

[muted axle]

i agree - big spoilers like that, even if it's a "spoilers" channel need to have a warning and to be spoilered. however, putting aside the fact that ashley did exactly that, we should still be respectful. im gonna be honest some of this shit is not worth arguing about so much

[blazing breach]

are yall fighting here again 😭

[muted axle]

it was spoilered, you clicked it, own it

[oblique goblet]

You’re right. What you’re saying is fair.

[random pivot]

arguing about a fake my dad works at fbr shit tho damn

[gritty yoke]

thats what i said 😭

[oblique goblet]

It’s more than that bro. I hate these ‘not that deep’ mfs istg

[granite monolith]

My dad works at FBR, he hasn't communicated with me in months

[muted axle]

i also think that was fake anyway because that whole thread of him replying to other people just screams attention seeking

[oblique goblet]

Good to hear that, thanks brother

[atomic blaze]

I slipped someone at the FBR building a $20 and they gave me a Polaroid of Nico and TB kissing that’s the ending guys

[red patrol]

Stuff like this is why Ari put us back in 30 seconds timeout 😭

[granite monolith]

Idk if people were going off at me, I'd probably want to retaliate too. Does not mean anything other than they went too far

[muted axle]

good on you for being understanding

[gritty yoke]

also its a leak channel man if you dont wanna see any leaks might be better to not go here regardless of if people spoiler or not. Even if we set rules people will be unaware etc.

[rapid nest]

i shared a potential leak that I found in the internet, I did not say it was real btw, just wanna share everything I find :D

[stone hornet]

I think there's no harm in Spoiling potentially sensitive leaks such as the endings

[honest roost]

can’t believe you didn’t add a spoiler tag smh

[tawny wigeon]

Excuse me, dont send leaks in a leak thread

[blazing breach]

what leak
i need
please link

[muted axle]

that's true too, when drum show leaked i had to avoid these chats completely because I can't control what people say or send here

[gritty yoke]

old untrue leak you are missing nothing

[main knoll]

It’s not real, don’t worry

[blazing breach]

ehh
ty

[tawny wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-josh-dun-joshler-gif-3885486694406035958

[random pivot]

it’s really not yes obviously tyler josh and everyone involved worked really hard on this 10 years long story nobody wants it to get leaked we all want it to be experienced as it is supposed to be experienced we all agree on that but again it is a leak theories leak and the message was marked as spoiler so it really ain’t that deep yes nobody wants it to leak but if it does it’s not the fault of the person sharing it’s just the fault of the leaker it’s no use getting mad with the person sharing cause if it’s not them it’s gonna be another one

[muted axle]

i think it would help if you had clear disclaimers when posting stuff

[tawny wigeon]

It could not be clearer than putting a spoiler tag, which she did 😭

[muted axle]

i agree but here we are

[tawny wigeon]

welp

[true dune]

what is happening

[honest roost]

does anyone have an actual theory, leak or otherwise, to discuss at this moment in time

[random pivot]

i’d say it’s over atp anyways

[true dune]

this doesn’t seem like theory leak talk

[gritty yoke]

everyone jiggle your keys to distract the mods

[muted axle]

something something tyler joseph's pings on

[true dune]

everyone move on or i’m adding another slowmode thank you

[tawny wigeon]

basically we were debating about sending leaks in a leak channel

[true dune]

it’s a leak channel

[random pivot]

we were moving on anyways but yeah thank you

[tawny wigeon]

exactly 😭

[stiff fable]

excuse me waiter I have a complaint- my lobster is too buttery and my steak is too juicy

[random pivot]

yeah that was the whole discourse

[granite monolith]

Certain people who left should absolutely see this, but yeah we can move on now

[true dune]

this channel doesn’t even need to be active atm there are no leaks

[main knoll]

Nick come get your monkeys, your circus is up to shenanigans again

[muted axle]

that pfp sells it

[gritty yoke]

when did you change your profile pic lol that confused me

[oblique goblet]

If i was mod i would ban everyone in here idc

[granite monolith]

Holy nico

[stiff fable]

we eagerly look forward to your application!

anyways

back to leak chatting

[tawny wigeon]

Holy leak

[muted axle]

https://tenor.com/view/josh-dun-top-twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-gif-16063817

[random pivot]

sooooo track lengths any progress on track lenghts?

[tawny wigeon]

i want track lengths so bad

[rapid nest]

still searching everywhere

[stiff fable]

I think I said the same in here earlier but regarding the screenshot of the “ending” description, I think it’s completely made up and incorrect

[granite monolith]

I just want 2 lengths tbh, altho idk if the city walls one will matter

[random pivot]

same

[stiff fable]

every era we get full album reviews and descriptions of each song and they’re always completely fabricated LOL

same goes for this imo

[oblique goblet]

Rename the server to “fake fans tøp discord”

[granite monolith]

Feels like a the outside situation where there's more than just the music

[stiff fable]

dawg I can just remove your perms from this channel if you don’t have something polite to contribute

[muted axle]

nick sources has a spotty track record but... i might have to agree with you here

[stiff fable]

Be kind and respectful

or go chat somewhere else

[oblique goblet]

👍🏻

[stiff fable]

Thanks

[granite monolith]

Take a walk lil bro

[main knoll]

Yeah Tyler even stepped in last time to basically say this himself lol

[tawny wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-next-semester-next-semester-bts-pizza-gif-14501772666832602799

[stiff fable]

Yea it was an ig comment I think

[muted axle]

he's an evil demon from hell what do you expect???

[stiff fable]

Honestly hope he does the same again

[oblique goblet]

Demon discrimination

[main knoll]

Yep! “lolfake”

[granite monolith]

Breach review: garbage is not what it claims to be

[sterile glen]

this is like getting offended at the strippers when i go into the club

[honest roost]

that ending “leak” is just vague enough to give us nothing. classic move of some made up shit imo.

[muted axle]

this is controversial

[tawny wigeon]

anyone ever notice that they put a purple light on josh and tyler when they performed paladin strait on the clancy tour

[stiff fable]

okay we’re gonna move on from this now

[rapid nest]

purpl era confirmed

[sterile glen]

sorry

[stiff fable]

YES

[granite monolith]

Tbh tho, I don't think we have many more heavy songs to go. A lot of the teasers sounded more mellow

[random pivot]

SPOILERS BREACH REVIEW ||i listened cause i work in the industry and… hehe… let’s say… this album has music||

[stiff fable]

josh specifically

[tawny wigeon]

great analogy tbh

[muted axle]

https://i.redd.it/r6hkjst43z1b1.gif

[honest roost]

with the purple dark clancy CD also!!!!! something purple is afoot

[tawny wigeon]

very interesting indeed hehe

[muted axle]

ourple

[stiff fable]

during paladin especially

[random pivot]

idk if i’m alone on this but im really hoping this is not the case i don’t even want something heavier than drum show but something middle ground

[oblique goblet]

Sorry guys. I just got emotional. Still am. But yeah, I was out of line. Peace. ✌️

[stiff fable]

there was a purple down light on Josh playing the drum pads

[tawny wigeon]

very interesting

[rapid nest]

what if its just literally nothing and just cause they thought it looked pretty /j

[tawny wigeon]

thats super likely, but i feel like it was intentional.

[honest roost]

“josh just looks really pretty in purple, ok”

[rapid nest]

didint like, the person that does the lights that i forgot the name of said we missed something on the lights tho

[tawny wigeon]

there was even more purple lighting on josh throughout the show that i noticed, under his drum kit during certain songs that had nothing to do with purple.

[muted axle]

purple era is all i need. if it's purple + green, even better

[main knoll]

Heathens core

[rapid nest]

yeah i think shap said somewhere we missed something on the lights

[honest roost]

purple and green???????? would ascend

[stiff fable]

yea shap said the light designs are very specific, not arbitrary. like they have meaning

idk if we missed something necessarily, but

[muted axle]

i genuinely think he was playing with us but delusions must delusion

[stiff fable]

if he said that verbatim then I forgor

[tawny wigeon]

he is a lighting genius for sure. his designs with top are insanely good

[rapid nest]

twenty one pilots shows look insanely good anyways

[tawny wigeon]

they never disappoint. so hyped to see what they cook up for the breach shows. especially cause they're ampitheatres

[blazing breach]

tyler called the breach tour magical,
i am scared a bit

[rapid nest]

i wanna see them in breach asia tour

[muted axle]

i watched the bandito tour episodes again. I can't believe how good those shows looked

[tawny wigeon]

their best tour

[rapid nest]

oh wait that does not exist

[fleet arch]

Purple & Red & Green look so cool, man.

[muted axle]

they need to bring back the walkway and those awesome lights

[honest roost]

bandito tour was certified insane and my favorite top show to date (although clancy was a close second with trees in the pit)

[edgy wolf]

There has to be a reason they chose amphitheatres, I just don't know it yet.

[lofty pike]

Same

[muted axle]

i agreeeeeee

[random pivot]

i can’t even read the words breach and tour together without crying wym there’s no europe leg

[rapid nest]

whats some positives for amphitheatres, like pros

[honest roost]

perhaps lots of fire?

[muted axle]

tyler said that? josh said it's their best album, now im even more scared

[rapid nest]

on that note tweet he did yeah

[fleet arch]

We may be able to touch a little bit of grass?

[honest roost]

a light breeze when you’re sweating your ass off lmao

[tawny wigeon]

definitely. all outdoor venues, they've definitely designed the show to be outdoors and im guessing they're gonna do some interesting stuff

[blazing breach]

yup

[random pivot]

it’s been a whole week atp and im still physically depressed at no breach europe tour i was so happy coming out of my clancy tour date being a double album believer cause i was convinced i would see them again soon it was so exciting to think i would get to go with my irl top friend group to another top show soon

[edgy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-adam-sandler-dont-you-say-that-dont-you-ever-say-that-gif-4705254

[muted axle]

no europe leg...... please god let them at least do festivals

[tawny wigeon]

im still mourning breach tour europe as well. i was genuinely expecting to be buying tickets to see them next year 😭 😭 oh well, when they come back it's gonna be insane, like a reunion

[atomic blaze]

Still cackling that there’s an interview with Shap saying how much he hates ampitheatres

[stark pebble]

they're doing amphitheatres so that they can evaporate into the outside air when the show ends

[tawny wigeon]

yeah i was thinking about this 😭 but im guessing they've designed the show for ampitheatres

[sharp hare]

hey now... some of us touch grass on the reg 🍃

[lofty pike]

Actually the clique is gonna get sucked up into a vortex like the glowing eyed people in the contract

[random pivot]

it’s even sadder to know i’ll be mourning it till beyond next year…

[sterile glen]

yeah the context was more that he hates them when the entire tour isn’t designed around it because it will always just be a worse version, but when you can actually design it around the amphitheater it’s a different story

[random pivot]

man and festivals truly ain’t the same either it’s just not the same

[blazing breach]

mark is streaming tonight at 6pm et

[stark pebble]

tyler evaporates the crowd if theyre not paying attention to the show

[random pivot]

(i’m still excited about seeing what festivals in clancy/breach era look like tho)

[lofty pike]

Would that be in roughly 2 hours?

[blazing breach]

yup
on twitch

[muted axle]

am i staying up again?

-# yes

[blazing breach]

why on earth drum show is so good

[fleet arch]

Drum Song.

[honest roost]

drums

[stark pebble]

i haven't slept in about 35 hours so unfortunately i will not be staying up for mark stream

[thin copper]

you don't sleep much

[lofty pike]

Happen to have a link?

[random pivot]

that’s crazy tho cause me neither how you know that 😭

[thin copper]

(i'm sorry)

[fleet arch]

That’s crazy, putting on a drum show.

[stark pebble]

tonight it'll be "sleep i found"

[thin copper]

sleep iiii FOUND 🗣️

[lofty pike]

Can we talk about how much this line disturbs me tho seriously

[fleet arch]

I promised you some bed time.

[thin copper]

oooh promises and bed time, he used to keep

[stark pebble]

i promised you a good sleep

[lofty pike]

Especially since migraine is lore and he says he won’t sleep till he’s dead 💔

[stark pebble]

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT???

[thin copper]

this band rly has an issue with sleep

[fleet arch]

Inchresting….

[muted axle]

been there. please sleep

[lofty pike]

I never felt good about the “sleep I found” bc WDYM IS THAT GOOD OR BAD

[thin copper]

WHAT THE FUCVK I JUST REALIZED
like right now

[fleet arch]

Guess we’ll find out on September 12th

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 15!

[muted axle]

oh shit

[stark pebble]

i will in about 2 hours dw 😭😭😭 i couldnt sleep at all cause of exam results but thats fine now

[blazing breach]

https://www.twitch.tv/reelbearmedia

[lofty pike]

THANKS

[random pivot]

how can some of yall not like the contract is beyond me

[muted axle]

oh understandable

[thin copper]

you fundamentally changed my perception of this lyric

[muted axle]

i like it, though i like drum show more

[lofty pike]

I didn’t realize we weren’t all disturbed by it already 😭😭

[stark pebble]

to be honest its the autotune, the lyrics also just dont mean much to me (i love the instrumental though)

[fleet arch]

The Conract good. Very catchy. Drum Song better, though.

[rapid nest]

yeah same i thought it was common knowledge

[random pivot]

no deffo me too

[thin copper]

my brain is slow sometimes okay?

[rapid nest]

same, fair though

[muted axle]

don't worry laura I didn't make that connection until now either

[thin copper]

i guess it comes down to taste cuz wtf the autotune makes the song even better for me

[random pivot]

that’s interesting cause to me the autotune in the contract is such a small part of the song i barely remember it is there most of the times im listening to it which is crazy cause im a producer i should know better 😭

[lofty pike]

Nooo! Don’t say that 🖤 I didn’t think it was “common knowledge” and I don’t think anyone is slow for not making that connection—we don’t even know if it IS meant to be a bad thing (sleep I found)! Just my thoughts 😭

[rapid nest]

the autotune is so fucking good idk why people hate it

[muted axle]

yeahh the lyrics are kinda the problem for me
with drum show i can scream the lyrics and FEEL it

[thin copper]

oh don't worry it was lighthearted or at least not fully serious

[fleet arch]

I think they were trying to go for the vibe of Doubt (demo) with the auto-tune.

[stark pebble]

i feel it kinda puts me off the rest of the song💔💔💔 i love the second half but its up until after the rap i dont like too much

[random pivot]

to me the lyrics in the contract are still meaningfull it’s just that i agree that they might be a bit repetitive

[muted axle]

I can't sing "I don't sleep much" with 10 hours of sleep

[rapid nest]

im gonna say, breach is going to be completely fucking awesome

[rapid nest]

2 tracks in, 0 misses honestly

[honest roost]

i fear it may become my favorite album yet

[thin copper]

it's so good on both songs
i love Doubt (demo)

[muted axle]

true, I'm sure im going to like it more than clancy. I'm excited for this album because it could be as good as trench

[lofty pike]

I love the sound of the contract but I get bored with the lyrics too—it’s not BAD at ALL. It’s very good. All of it. And actually, I think the repetitive lyrics could just represent the state of mind Clancy is in, and it makes sense!! So lore wise, I love that. But as a song I’d listen to while driving or skating or something to sing along and connect to, The Contract wouldn’t be my first choice.

[stark pebble]

the songs i usually connect with are songs that have some relation to my own mental health, like next semester especially, and with drum show i can also have something like that but u guess i dont have any lyrics in the contract with that

[blazing breach]

there is also a quick shot where tyler hides behind the hands that covered in ink

[muted axle]

exactly how i feel. i think it's the same with overcompensate for me though i bump that one a little more often to appreciate the production

[thin copper]

i am lowkey scared of this album

[stark pebble]

my favourite song ever is addict with a pen, and while it's "meant" to be religious, for me personally i think of it more of suicide, and it's so important to me

[blazing breach]

a parallel with hoty mv

[random pivot]

so far i think breach might be the album that tops or at least is on par with trench to me cause like i know this is an unpopular opinion but with clancy for me it took for next semester to drop for me to get hooked with the album overcompensate didn’t do it for me (at first, i like it now, just not my favorite opener), with this one i love that we are with the heavy rock vibes from the get go with the contract

[rapid nest]

i love redecorate alot

[honest roost]

i will say i hope for more lyrical content in the rest of the album because i don’t want each song to be like 4x repeat of chorus with a three line pre chorus/bridge

[thin copper]

this song means so much to me
made me cry a lot

[lofty pike]

Give me a long bridge of substance

[muted axle]

same here, my favorite song from them is morph because the production is amazing, the lyrics are amazing and i relate to them more often than I'd like

[rapid nest]

i too relate to "not done, not done, not done, josh dun!" /lh

[lofty pike]

I hope leave the city will be on the setlist 💔

[muted axle]

i think about death way too much

[stark pebble]

i really want lyrics that are similar to self titled to me, the lyrics in that album genuinely are some of their best

[thin copper]

i think Cut My Lip and My Blood are my "Redecorate"s of Trench

[azure umbra]

i think it will be

[lofty pike]

Yess

[rapid nest]

i hope we get like a josh dun lyric again in breach

[muted axle]

raw metaphorical emotional lyrical miracle lyrics

[blazing breach]

i like to think that drum show is the 2nd single because in the contract :
check the doors, check the windows, check the clock
and the first line in drum show :
completed checklist for today

[random pivot]

to me trench is the most mature lyrically self titled was interestingly written but you can tell tyler was young

[rapid nest]

raw.....fear, ?

[blazing breach]

that is feels like a continuation

[azure umbra]

gonna be absolute peak

[stark pebble]

yeah i agree, i think the rawness of st mixed with the trench style, and their current skills would be incredible

[rapid nest]

i dont know why but drum show for some reason makes me emotional so much, on first listen i was like oh my god yes then I seen the lyrics and like oh my god this song is so fucking sad

[thin copper]

the way it's sung too
this song is so emotional actually

[stark pebble]

the "drown it out, drown it out" part is so important to me. means so so much

[muted axle]

trench feels much more atmospheric and open and consistent, i miss that sound

[lofty pike]

Cottonwood is my adopted child. RAWFEAR scares the crap out of me in an exciting way. The new Garbage snippet sounds beautiful. And you can barely hear City Walls, but it made me cry.
And Drum Show is a masterpiece

[honest roost]

yall think about how navigating and drum show are basically sister songs but from different perspectives of the same situation perhaps

[muted axle]

next semester is like that for me 😭😭 the first 10 listens i think i cried

[rapid nest]

drum show is literally josh dun's next semester no?

[blazing breach]

if there was a petition to include non-existent redecorate mv in city walls video,
id sign it

[random pivot]

as someone who feels horrible in his own home i connected instantly with the song is pretty on the nose lyrically but its just man i just get it

[stark pebble]

i think cottonwood might possibly be the most lyrically deep song they've ever done (maybe)

[thin copper]

also the rest of the verse screams lore to me
wdym feeling stuck between a rock and a home
two places you do not wanna go

[muted axle]

i think next semester is more the sister to drum show than navigating

[lofty pike]

I did a video on that sorta (but about them being related lore wise, before Tyler told us it wasn’t lore)

[blazing breach]

yup,
home : dema
rock : trench

[muted axle]

yeah

[honest roost]

sorry I meant to say next semester not navigating. they both start with an N so my brain said yeah that’s right

[lofty pike]

I say Drum Show is Josh’s Car Radio

[lofty pike]

They’re both talking about how they cope while driving, both involve music, but Tyler’s car radio was stolen

[blazing breach]

because somebody stole my
drums

and now i just sit

[honest roost]

those titles kinda rhyme if you think about it too

[thin copper]

(i'm sorry in advance)
and now i just shit in silence 🔥

[muted axle]

non-lore wise it's about josh's highschool/college years. a rock is the school/maybe workplace and home is the "hard place" here because of strict parents maybe

that's how i see it

[thin copper]

yeah for sure
but it definitely has a relation to the lore too

[rapid nest]

all songs are lore if u think about it

[muted axle]

yeah true, i mean every song can be connected to the lore honestly

[lofty pike]

The fact that the Polaroids in the car are of the Navigating MV

[honest roost]

could you direct me to the proctologist of dema?

[sacred cobalt]

Nills

[rapid nest]

why them

[blazing breach]

i agree,
the chorus particularly describes clancy's path,
because he cant decide where he belongs

[honest roost]

are they from navigating???? i def thought they were evidence from HDS

[sacred cobalt]

Aint no way my message was automodded man. And i still got slowmoded

[rapid nest]

mark confirmed it

[muted axle]

mark is cool for this

[thin copper]

wasn't there even something about Lavish and Blurryface

[lofty pike]

Yes, he sang it in the insta reel

[sacred cobalt]

Anyway what i meant to say is hes a goner with 2 o's

[honest roost]

damn foiled yet again

[rapid nest]

oh yeah blurryface singing lavish

[stark pebble]

this is so funny i saw some people saying it was ultrasounds ........ then said josh is pregnant

[muted axle]

LOL

[thin copper]

this is so fucking funny and so unserious 😭
(and that also implies Lavish is lore)

[rapid nest]

i want more songs like lavish

[thin copper]

Robot Voices sounds like it might be a silly song (at least instrumentally)
not like Lavish but it could be our silly song on Breach

[lofty pike]

Lavish is my ringtone

[stark pebble]

i Dont sorry im a lavish hater

[muted axle]

it's lAvIsH

[honest roost]

if blurry sings lavish it could be him trying to convince clancy into bishop-dom. welcome to the new way of living, you’re at the top bud

[sacred cobalt]

Ye honestly it could easily be a corruption song

[lofty pike]

It kinda does remind me of Dema propaganda. Like.. the life of a bishop is lavish ✨

[stark pebble]

lavish would've been infinitely better if it was 100% jocals

[muted axle]

I JUST NOTICED the bg noise at the end is the same as the bg noise from the contract teasers what

[blazing breach]

i like to think that not today is about a typical day in clancy's life at dema,
and goner is about a special night that led to his decision to get out

[thin copper]

i am scared of Cottonwood (clearly inspired by Goner)

[muted axle]

especially the falsetto

[marble wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-clancy-midwest-gif-814200171478407161

[thin copper]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-insane-insane-tyler-joseph-twenty-one-pilots-routines-in-the-night-gif-3396589900519665407

[blazing breach]

me too
the lyric from the snippet strongly hints at another loss

[honest roost]

me when i spill a gallon of olive oil on the kitchen floor whilst preparing dinner

[marble wasp]

do yall think the album will leak the day the first listening parties happen?

[lofty pike]

I said this a while ago: what if the one gone for good is actually Clancy 💔 he’s a goner.
Unless…. TB sacrifices himself in Clancy’s place. Clancy cries out, don’t let me be gone… and TB saves him

[thin copper]

it has the word "gone" in its lyrics
i am scared

imagine it's Josh who sings this
Josh's Goner

[blazing breach]

honestly,
i hope cottonwood is about blurryface

[muted axle]

cottonwood is about his family that he lost in Good Day

[stark pebble]

i think it would be mildly more devastating if torchbearer died

[lofty pike]

I thought that too, what if Josh is singing I can’t believe you’re gone for good 😭 but idk

[thin copper]

maybe he lost his proctologist

[fresh quiver]

homie that sued me

[blazing breach]

i have a strong gut feeling that breach will end blurryface as a character

[lofty pike]

Yeah, I agree. I’ve believed for a long time TB will die or sacrifice himself.

[honest roost]

can’t die if you’re already dead (plot twist)

[thin copper]

he is quite silent since The Contract isn't he

[blazing breach]

yup
waiting for his final showdown

[stark pebble]

what if the lore ends with us seeing the next clancy and torchbearer become those titles

[muted axle]

it will end blurryface, clancy, the trench world, the black paint, the red eyes, dmaorg, the blurryface account

all of that GONE

[lofty pike]

I could see this too. But I’m also not sure BF will die. I think it’s more likely there will be some coexistence

[sacred cobalt]

Blurryface starts mewing and stops being blurry

[thin copper]

what if they somehow find a way to "destroy" the actual reality of Trench

[lofty pike]

I still have a theory that Clancy and Nico will combine/merge into the Blurryface era Blurryface… idk if I’m running with it, just considering it

[sacred cobalt]

Tyler wakes up from his dream in the self titled bedroom

[blazing breach]

i meant that breach will literally end blurryface

i.e. kill him in one way
or another

[thin copper]

no, he wakes up in the bed from RiTN

[honest roost]

if they do the “it was all a dream route” im gonna throw up

[thin copper]

what if he dies and it makes the reality unstable or Clancy realizes BF needs to exist or smth like that

[lofty pike]

I don’t want this to be the case but would also kinda be sick, bc the cover… he literally has it all spilling out of his brain—a city, the submarine, a forest, a car tire….

And seeing it irl would be cool

[muted axle]

i actually don't think so. I'm a big fan of the "learn to live with the darkness" ending

(not whatever that 'leaker' said)

[stone hornet]

The contract and drum show are pretty much identical structurally I want songs that take me on a journey not the rising intensity in both of these but they are both great tracks just hoping for something a little more different with the rest

[stark pebble]

what if the self titled bed is the ritn bed (i know its not)

[blazing breach]

with the broken head

[lofty pike]

He was in a coma

[sacred cobalt]

Honestly i would forgive the it was all a dream trope for the self titled reference like that would just be goated

[fresh quiver]

we’re back to 2009

[muted axle]

twenty one pilots songs have almost always been structured this way

[stone hornet]

Hard disagree imo

[lofty pike]

This. I don’t necessarily like the trope, but in this case… I’d let it slide

[blazing breach]

there will be a breach of the fourth wall
i am 99.99% sure

[muted axle]

nah it's always verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus or some version of that. there are some exceptions

[sacred cobalt]

I mean thats 90% of music. But there are always slight differences

[muted axle]

sometimes it's chorus verse chorus verse now here comes the eighth

wait

[blazing breach]

do you want a clancy's rhapsody

[thin copper]

did it change up

[muted axle]

is it light out yet?

[sacred cobalt]

No its 3 am

[stone hornet]

I just mean for example the line is verse chorus but there's not a bridge dumped in the same spot and takes you on more of a journey imo

[thin copper]

better find out bet

(i struggle so much with this verse)

[muted axle]

overcompensate is the one that is a bit different from the rest of clancy, it's like a pseudo verse/intro then switches into the more normal structure of verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus

[blazing breach]

tbh the line is also very calm & emotional song

[stone hornet]

Although both of the bridges have been amazing!!! Just wish it wasn't as predictable

[sacred cobalt]

Imagine another bandito

[fresh quiver]

i feel like they’re gonna pull a chlorine with one of these songs

[sacred cobalt]

Chlorines structure is peak.

[muted axle]

next semester is verse chorus verse chorus but then a slow outro

[sacred cobalt]

People were saying next semester had a crazy or odd structure but im not seeing it like??

[muted axle]

chlorine is chorus verse pre-chorus chorus verse pre-chorus then a VERSE???! wowie
then a chorus then that big outro

[blazing breach]

the contract has an unusual structure :
pre-chorus > chorus > 1st verse > pre-chorus > bridge > 2nd verse

[thin copper]

wait it has a bridge? or you just mean the "oowowowowo" part (that is not a bridge)

[muted axle]

oh yeah true i guess the "i check the clock" could be a pre-chorus

[sacred cobalt]

Idk if you are sarcastic rn but i mean i'd say thats a nice structure

[blazing breach]

it is pre-chorus
not a verse

[muted axle]

you're right scrap the bridge

[fresh quiver]

next semesters crazy structure makes it my fav song from them ever it’s so panicky then almost nostalgic then makes me wanna cry i grahhhhh

[thin copper]

oh wait the can't feel my legs part, that's kinda bridge-like

[sacred cobalt]

Nah thats a verse

[stone hornet]

Exactly this!!! I'm just desperate for structures that take me on a journey and are fresh

[muted axle]

there's a difference between structure and bpm, next semester is very fast but it's not crazy when it comes to the structure

[thin copper]

yeah but it's the closest to a bridge ig, the slight change in the beat

[sacred cobalt]

It really just doesnt have a bridge it only got the transition to the calm outro

[muted axle]

the structures of the songs are perfect imo, i think production elements, diversity of sounds are what bring you on the journey

[sacred cobalt]

Yeah

[blazing breach]

days lie dormant snippet sounds so migraine-ish to me,
migraine was my favorite tøp song before redecorate

[muted axle]

id understand why drum show wouldn't give Dan or anyone else that feeling of going on a journey or any unique feelings because it's honestly a very simple song

it's basically drums, bass, vocals, a bit of piano and a bit of synth

[blazing breach]

i like that they left a 「merge window」 for hds in josh' drum solo

[smoky tangle]

ok guys get ready bc in the next 1 week we could start seein leaks pop up here n there

[stone hornet]

It does to an extent the synths in the outro are very triumphant! Just it's a stark contrast to the more diverse structures of overcompensate and next semester

[stark pebble]

i feel like 2 weeks is more likely but idk

[blazing breach]

im pretty sure someone will leak breach even before september

[muted axle]

yeah the outro is amazing! my point here though is that it's not so much the structure but the diversity of production elements within the song

alright rant over

[sacred cobalt]

Worst production: the craving jennas version

[stark pebble]

i honestly love it 😭

[blazing breach]

afaik music stores will start receiving the album next week to prepare for the listening parties

and it would take a miracle for someone not to leak it

[fleet arch]

Imagine the whiplash if there was no Clancy and we went from SAI right into Breach.

[sacred cobalt]

Imagine the whiplash from trench to sai

[fleet arch]

Good point lmao.

[stark pebble]

imagine going from trench to breach without sai or clancy..........

[thin copper]

imagine going from Choker to Drum Show

[fleet arch]

Imagine imagining the imagination.

[sacred cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/imagine-dragons-night-visions-abbey-road-on-top-of-the-world-gif-18300241

[thin copper]

lol dragons

well Tyler did imagine a dragon

[muted axle]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[fleet arch]

I no longer support the band because of this message. Removing myself from the server. Goodbye.

[stark pebble]

no cause (probably good thing considering this) the band would be SO much more popular i feel

[sacred cobalt]

Bro is #1 imagine dragons hater i respect that

[muted axle]

im waiting for the ajr and imagine dragons disstrack to drop

[fleet arch]

Man fuck ajr their shit is subpar! Man fuck imagine dragons they music really be lackin’ ahhh ahhh!

[stark pebble]

can we talk for a second about how i think like 3 months ago on youtube music, top had about 30m monthly listeners, theyre at 63.5m rn

[sacred cobalt]

We'd have 50 vinyl variants by now

[muted axle]

i mean that's probably consistent with every new album rollout

[stark pebble]

yeah true but it feels so crazy like how do more than one million people even know them

[muted axle]

the success of these two singles is insane though

[rapid nest]

insane? its more then that

[sacred cobalt]

Its crazy

[stark pebble]

i think barely anyone seems to use youtube music and drum show already has 3.2m there (the contract has 18m)

[muted axle]

so true i saw a twenty one pilots lyric graffitied under an underpass and freaked out because what do you mean people listen to this band

[sacred cobalt]

I use yt music

[muted axle]

a friend that uses youtube music told me I'm stupid for switching to apple music

[stark pebble]

for reference, navigating has 19m, overcompensate has 41m

[blazing breach]

thats crazy

[rapid nest]

howd you know that

[sacred cobalt]

Can you guys on like apple music and stuff also listen to instrumentals or do you only have access to official first party stuff

[stark pebble]

if it wasnt for regular youtube premium i'd instantly switch to apple music, its just convenient to have both in one subscription
when i get a student discount ill swap though

[muted axle]

i mean if an artist officially released an instrumental to streaming then yeah. but that's true for spotify too

[sacred cobalt]

Yeah i meant like on yt music i just go to like wrightP channel or whatever and add those instrumentals to my playlist like any other song

[muted axle]

i dropped youtube premium because i only needed it to block ads on my phone and i figured out how to do it without a subscription

[blazing breach]

i check the charts, check apple music,
and spotify

[stark pebble]

unfortunately i really like having 4k videos (sometimes)

[rapid nest]

i mean i use

[sacred cobalt]

Fl studio goated

[stark pebble]

i'm seriously considering swapping to cds and just burning my own cds (btw does anyone have high quality downloads of self titled so i can burn it)

[muted axle]

true, i do that too sometimes, but if i want to listen to regular music I prefer apple music because it's lossless

[rapid nest]

i use fuckall

[muted axle]

and the ui is nicer than spotify
and spotify has awful business practices and is ethically weird so it's just better for me

[muted axle]

retro music? why am i there
also what is that

[sacred cobalt]

Aight i'll probs get a mac soon for music production so i'll probs switch to apple music and listen through my studio monitors

[stark pebble]

i think physical media honestly might be the way. no subscriptions, no ads, any music i want + cds are high quality

[muted axle]

i like physical media a lot too but yknow... i like convenience too

[sacred cobalt]

I listen to my vinyl regularly but if its a stressful day i prefer the convenience of streaming too. Especially for like 2lp albums like i dont wanna switch the disc around every 3 songs

[stark pebble]

yeah that's fair, i think for me personally i dont tend to just listen to music all the time (and i cant use headphones anyway)

[muted axle]

if you get a mac then that's definitely the option for streaming

tho i don't own anything apple related lmao

[stark pebble]

i used to use soundcloud only

[sacred cobalt]

When i was in like middle school i'd listen to music through the regular yt app💀 like i'd have the mv running

When i'd listen to stressed out i'd suddenly hear 10 seconds of weird clapping sounds and then the song continued bruh

[stark pebble]

theres such a small difference in sound quality to me so honestly i could still use regular youtube and itd be perfectly fine

[rapid nest]

retro music is like a local files music player

[muted axle]

where I live record stores aren't that prominent. almost every physical copy i own i got online. it's also hard to discover new music with physical copies which i often like doing.
nowadays if I really want to have lossless audio and to support the artist, i buy digital albums off of bandcamp or wherever the artist sells it

[thin copper]

i just realized i could probably just buy TOP albums irl

[stark pebble]

i have no record stores anywhere near me (my nearest hmv closed down....) but i live in the uk so i have such a privilege with that, shipping is cheap especially online if its internal in the uk

[muted axle]

it's hard to explain but to me youtube music just feels... boxy sounding
like ever so slightly compressed
i probably sound crazy but good audio quality is heaven to my ears

[sacred cobalt]

Yeah it depends on the speakers i guess. The better they are the more obvious compression gets

[thin copper]

i might genuinely physically buy Trench or other albums this month or the next

[stark pebble]

what's weird to me is that when i got a new phone, youtube music sounded at least 3x better (think they introduced dolby atmos)

[muted axle]

o laura i wanted to reply to that fnac message but you deleted it

[sacred cobalt]

They delete more messages than they post😭

[muted axle]

i tried dolby atmos with my studio headphones and it actually made the audio worse. i think it's better with a sound system lol

[stark pebble]

also helps that i changed my sound settings to the 60+ age range i promise i am not 60 but my hearing is worse than a 70 year old

[muted axle]

lmaooo

[sacred cobalt]

Im such a baby with volume ive always had sensitive ears so my volume is always so low

[muted axle]

same

[stark pebble]

my sound has always been low, until i got my hearing aid and suddenly i like it loud now LOL tbf i am more cautious cause i only use my phone speaker (cant use headphones)

[muted axle]

oooh you have hearing aids

[stark pebble]

yeah 😭😭 bro im so unlucky, deaf cliqueartist AND i have an astigmatism so my eyesight is worsening

[muted axle]

can you use big speakers?

[stark pebble]

my mum always walks into my room so i never use my pc speakers cause i cant usually turn music off quickly enough

[muted axle]

😭😭 I probably have astigmatism too so I'm getting ready for bad eyesight (it's already bad)

[muted axle]

i feel that 😭 I don't have my own room so I've never used speakers

[sacred cobalt]

Recently ive noticed seeing double when i enter my phone pin. Rip

[rapid nest]

im not okay right now, please excuse me if I cant talk here much, im not in a good position

[muted axle]

what's up

[tawny wigeon]

hi

[random pivot]

clancy was missing a chlorine moment i hope breach has one

ik i’ve gone on record saying i want some heavyness on this album but we need the more chill moments too not everything has to be either heavy as fuck or sad as shit

[sacred cobalt]

Just please no bounce man

[lofty pike]

I think we’ll get something chill, maybe. It still may be sad tho..

[sacred cobalt]

One way sounds chill

[limber hatch]

i'm probably late but

[neat swift]

we already figured this out yesterday

[lofty pike]

Mark live stream time

[rapid nest]

ask him if theres a mv for every song

[atomic blaze]

They just spent a milly on a music video they have peanuts left

[rapid nest]

mark has peanut allergy

[fresh quiver]

threaten him with peanuts until he tells us everything

[atomic blaze]

Twitch is so overstimulating I hate it

[loud sluice]

u can just,, see the stream fullscreen without the chat

[atomic blaze]

Was talking about all the “welcome!” noises at the beginning ha

[loud sluice]

oh okay i wonder why i didnt get that

the drum show mv took like a day and a half to film

[atomic blaze]

Had to log off but he also said there’s gonna be another fan video within the concerts. Didn’t specifically say it was happening during The Judge when referring to it

[loud sluice]

debby shadow in mv!!

[atomic blaze]

Lmfao did he lie about being in Miami just to mess with us?

[magic fjord]

yep

[atomic blaze]

Amazing

[lofty pike]

Mark confirmed there's one last lore mv and it'll be City Walls 😭 I guess. And he said Tyler made that pretty clear (NAH CAUSE some of us thought he just meant it was the last)

[atomic blaze]

Does that imply the existence of another non-lore video or nah

[lofty pike]

I'm not sure.. he's playing video games now

[jolly oyster]

Real.

[lofty pike]

Bahahaha. He said we were gonna be mad at him. It was for the discord clique specifically.

[random pivot]

and that’s because we are still to get the non lore mv for single 3 robot voices! 😁

[blazing breach]

copium administered

[lofty pike]

Will we

[random pivot]

yes

[blazing breach]

i kinda..
cant even imagine how a music video for robot voices would like

maybe something abstract as shy away?

or filmed within the confines of a residential room as routines in the night

[random pivot]

we don’t even know how it really sounds tho

[blazing breach]

the snippet has heavy shy away vibes imo

[random pivot]

if we learnt something from drum show is do NOT trust the album snippets

[blazing breach]

yup
but robot voices has the clearest snippet tho

[jolly oyster]

Claymation

[random pivot]

hmm not shy away it was more like midwest indigo to me

[blazing breach]

why on earth he called a song 「robot voices」

it is so cool

[lofty pike]

im so ready for whatever it is

[blazing breach]

the word robot is rarely heard in everyday speech

[lofty pike]

Maybe it's got a similar meaning to when he mentions "mindless zombies" in HDS?

But people being "robotic"

[oblique goblet]

“Robot voices” could also be referring to angels. The original biblical angels were basically Gods robots iirc

[digital gyro]

music maker jam at the bottom just gave me a wave of nostaglia

I used to use that shit all the time way back before I actually started making music

[lavish geode]

Nah, he is doing vocals in RAWFEAR

[magic fjord]

i mean i at least trust him on city walls being the only lore mv left

[lofty pike]

Yeah

[shadow mirage]

Do you guys think we are not getting another MV on September 12th aside from City Walls?

[lofty pike]

There may be other MVs, but no lore ones aside from City Walls, according to Mark

[shadow mirage]

Oh I thought he meant the only other video shoot they have done was City Walls and they didn’t shoot any other MVs

[lofty pike]

I’m not sure! He just said city walls is the last lore mv we’ll get/only other

[shadow mirage]

Might need to rewatch the stream later. It was too early for me haha

[fleet arch]

Just bought a RBM shirt. Gotta support small creators yk?

[azure umbra]

broo the next 3 weeks will feel like an eternity

[muted axle]

true

[nova bough]

Whats the link to the RBM merch store?

[cobalt fiber]

https://www.reelbearmedia.com/merch

[nova bough]

Thank u

[tawny wigeon]

so what did we learn from marks stream

[muted axle]

aaahhhh i'm not ready

[tawny wigeon]

no way i was right haha

[nova bough]

Does Mark talked about any other songs getting MVs?

[cobalt fiber]

He only talked about city walls iirc

[worldly whale]

watching the vod right now

[cobalt fiber]

Was never really a “there will be no other videos apart from city walls” moment but it does seem like that’s all they have planned for the rollout/release at least, if we get more it’ll probably be later this era

[muted axle]

what was the stream even about

[cobalt fiber]

He did say one thing contrasting the Clancy videos and the single videos this era and how the contract and city walls are both gonna be big bombastic high budget videos so he wanted to make drum show equally high quality and couldn’t just do something like the Clancy videos, which seems to indicate there won’t be a mv for every song on release at the very least

[velvet lark]

RAWFEAR music video that acts as an epilogue for the lore 2026

[cobalt fiber]

First half was discussion about the drum show mv treatment then he played a game for a bit, with various smaller comments on band stuff sprinkled throughout

Then of course random things like talking about his cats

I believe the drum show discussion has been put up on YouTube which is probably the most interesting part for people here, but the whole stream is up as a vod on his twitch channel

Another interesting thing he mentioned was that the contract wasn’t even finished when they were starting the shooting of the music video which places this album as being finalized much later than some people thought, I’ve definitely seen a bunch of people thinking they finished it with Clancy and just sat on it for a year lol

Or even thinking that Tyler made this album back in 2019 and had just been waiting this whole time to release the real follow up😭

[white anchor]

they definitely went down to the wire with this one, but it’s also not that uncommon for songs to be unfinished when filming music videos. especially when they coincide with the release.

[cobalt fiber]

Yeah it’s pretty normal for them, trench is another good example where they were still working on the album till mid August after 3 of the singles dropped. It’s mostly interesting in this case because of the ongoing debates in the fanbase about when exactly breach was created

Tyler loves to work until the very last second lol

[white anchor]

honestly i think the 2019 album is our “but what if it DID happen?!?” thing that every fanbase has.

i feel like most, if not all artists have that one record that was theorized abt that never saw the light of day. and fans will grasp onto the idea of it because it’s something that is now unobtainable. creating a mystique around its existence and placing on a very high pedestal. when, in reality, it was an unfinished concept that was scrapped for probably a good reason.

the concept of this mysterious album that has their best material over the years saved on it is very cool. but, i think it’s pretty unrealistic, even though i want it to be true so badly.

[thin copper]

Do people genuinely think they had a finalized (or close to) album in 2019-2020?

I thought it was common sense that it was just an unfinished project (that probably got reworked as Clancy and Breach)

[white anchor]

i don’t think many people think breach is a full project that’s been in existence since 2019. but i think some ppl do think it was way more finished than it actually was.

personally, as of right now, i think there’s like 2% of whatever the concept for the 2019 record was on Breach

the lore has gone in such a larger and grand direction since Trench, and i doubt whatever they had planned would’ve been anything like what we have now

[pseudo oyster]

i feel like the 2019 album was probably scrapped at the start of the pandemic because they didn't really know how to go about the restrictions at the start, and then tyler kept writing which led to sai

[thin copper]

I do think some ideas and drafts were reused but yeah likely mostly scrapped

[white anchor]

i think he mentioned it being that + the fact that it was dealing with dark topics that were putting him in a bad headspace at the time

[pseudo oyster]

i'd say the elusive "graffiti" and "drag path" were both working tracks for the scrapped 2019 album that he just kept the lyrics for in case

[white anchor]

pretty sure those were in the Clancy notebook, so those would’ve been made during the sessions for that record

[muted axle]

i think they were definitely working on an album or on ideas for an album after trench, until the pandemic came and ideas changed. its possible that they had written some lyrics and some skeleton songs before sai and just repurposed those for breach or clancy

[cobalt fiber]

I have seen quite a few people say that breach is largely made up of the original follow up to trench (and previously saying it’s what Clancy would be before it dropped). It’s not the most common view but it’s more common that you’d expect given Tyler directly told us back in 2020 that his attempt to make the follow up to trench was unsuccessful

[white anchor]

i dont think we’ll ever get a proper representation of what that album was ever tbh. people say that Garbage could be from 2019 due to the amount of “garbage” references tyler made around that time. and its supposed use in the dmaorg paladin teaser video.

but, even then, that song could’ve been a very barebones demo that was reworked heavily for Breach

[cobalt fiber]

More common than that is the idea that they made both Clancy and breach at the same time and had both finished when they released Clancy which is also incorrect based on the comments Tyler made about the deluxe edition stuff and now marks comments on when the contract was finished

[thin copper]

Overcompensate probably originates from this draft album tbh at least even just a tiny %

[white anchor]

although a direct sonic and conceptual follow up to trench would’ve been very cool. i think it was for the best that tyler decided to go in another direction. because, i think it would’ve ate him alive if he kept putting himself in that dark place, especially during the pandemic.

i love dark emotional songs, especially from this band, but id rather tyler be happy 😭

[cobalt fiber]

Agree with this 100%, I’d kill to actually see what Tyler was working on around that time but I think in reality what they were working on was either scrapped or cannibalized in parts into sai/clancy/breach wherever the pieces fit if they did

And there was probably a lot less to reuse than we even think since Tyler talked about the ideas not panning out and him not being inspired to write it without being able to tour

[pseudo oyster]

tyler is always scrapping stuff, i mean, if my memory is serving me, he said the follow up to sai would be darker than redecorate, and that never really came to fruition

[cobalt fiber]

There were sooo many scrapped ideas, Josh also talked about them wanting to make a completely separate disconnected album with their spare ideas and Tyler mentioned originally that they would release sai and then drop a second album soon after to follow it up as one era (which ended up happening much later with breach) neither of these seem to have ever seen the light of day and whenever he’s talked about the writing of the following albums they don’t even fit into that time range

[white anchor]

the timeline i have in my mind is this:

2019: sessions for Trench 2 (whatever that means) happen during tour and a couple demos and lyrics are written

2020: pandemic hits and the bandito tour shows for that year are canceled. tyler tries to continue work on the record but it doesn’t work out because of his reasons stated before.

2021: scaled and icy is released as a detour away from the darker aspects of the scrapped record, but still, elements of where they would like to go remain intact. tyler has the intention of returning to the ideas he had prior to SAI, using this era as a reset.

2022 - 2023: touring continues and tyler drifts away from the trench 2 concept, focusing on new songs and creates Clancy.

2024: clancy releases and tyler plans to release the tracks that were left over from the sessions to complete the story. he changes his mind and pivots to having another record to end the narrative

[cobalt fiber]

And yeah to confirm he did say that redecorate would be leading into the direction the next album would take, which also didn’t happen as Clancy is a pretty far cry from that vibe

[cobalt fiber]

Strong agree with this, same timeline I’d place the events on

additionally I personally lean towards the decision to make breach a full album coming after the release of Clancy since they were still advertising it as a final chapter added to Clancy as recently as right after the album drop and even the breach tour is being advertised as a smaller add-on to Clancy like you’d expect a deluxe edition tour to be

Which is reinforced by the fact they’re still scrambling to finish songs in the last few months

Probably at some point during the na tour if I had to guess

I do hope when this is all over they make a documentary of some sort with all the footage we know mark saves and we get a bit of an inside look at how things have changed over the years as everything unfolded, probably an unrealistic hope but I’d love to know more about all the decision making behind it all

[white anchor]

my ideal vision is that we get a multi part documentary that deals with each era since Trench, and how things changed. Trench being from 2018 - 2019, SAI 2020 - 2022, Clancy/Breach 2023 - 2025

sadly, i don’t think we’ll get a full on lore dump / explanation from tyler. i think that’ll be something that will be casually mentioned over the years, but never as one single thing that’s just dropped on us.

the biggest aspect of the Trench universe is the mystique and unknown aspect of it. When Trench released, the feeling of uneasiness that Dema gave off was unparalleled. and the fact that we didn’t know much abt the continent of Trench as well.

all of it was shrouded in mystery, and as those mysteries were uncovered, i think the scary feeling of those places faded ever so slightly.

i think tyler would want to keep fan discussion and theories alive, instead of risking shutting a lot of them down by confirming or de-confirming certain things.

but, i would love for him to give us extra things that build on the world, that won’t risk much.

he has claimed to know abt the infrastructure and routines that citizens of dema go through, and even the slang terms they use for vultures and stuff. that level of detail should really be utilized

[cobalt fiber]

Agreed with this too, I think he might be more open about certain things but I don’t expect him to ever go super in depth about the story as a whole- like if he’s specifically asked about something in an interview he might divulge that topic but probably won’t go out of his way to just go “oh by the way this is the explanation for lore topic #2747” out of nowhere on his own lol

And unfortunately with them scaling back their interviews in general I’m unsure how many opportunities we’ll really get to hear people even ask him specific lore questions other than maybe Zane, wish we still got fan press conferences so we could get a couple more in depth lore discussions here and there

And yeah the mystery is a big part of the story, as much as I’d love to hear every single small detail and learn what everything means- thinking about what those details might be and what those things could mean is a huge part of why the story has been so prolific and stuck in everyone’s minds for so long. Those questions being answered would be satisfying in the moment but would inevitably hurt the longevity of the storyline in our minds, as it is now we’ll be thinking back to these topics for years and years in a way we wouldn’t if we just got straightforward confirmations

[timber elbow]

I really feel like they should do another dc interview once it’s all wrapped. Or just pop-in.

[smoky tangle]

20 days

[random pivot]

i was thinking about this, city walls is the ending and then another one as an epilogue (this will not happen)

[dull marsh]

Off topic, I’m a bit late to the party, but HOLY Silksong and Dema ending in the same month? Peak.

[blazing breach]

😭 😭 😭

[stone hornet]

What could they have possibly been doing 😭

[blazing breach]

as i understand, they shot 2 videos, one of which is drum show mv

and the 2nd one is probably not a music video?..

[stone hornet]

The other is city walls?

[blazing breach]

no, mojib recently said they have 2 videos

i doubt that city walls video is ready atp

[magic fjord]

probably a lot of prep work

[smoky tangle]

We got there at the end, so all good

[cobalt fiber]

They were probably also still working on the album last minute like trench, mark just mentioned on his stream yesterday that the contract wasn’t finished when they started recording the video so it seems like this albums coming down to the wire in the same way lol

[stone hornet]

Probably writing all those fpe notes amirite

[magic fjord]

yeah that lines up with what mojib said

the album wasnt fully mastered by the time the contract came out but got finished a couple weeks later, around the time we got the tracklist

[cobalt fiber]

The drum show video also seems to have undergone a lot of changes from its original idea, mark showed the original plan which was a much slower video focusing on longer atmospheric shots and kept saying it was originally closer to a visualizer than a traditional music video so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s part of why it needed a bit longer in the oven than most

There’s also them deciding to shoot city walls before drum show for whatever reason (probably to give the cgi time) which probably pushed the filming back a bit

[magic fjord]

wasnt city walls shot after?

the timestamp on city walls was 8/1/25 and the casting call was for 8/5/25

[cobalt fiber]

Ah fuck okay I got the dates flipped in my head ignore that last point

[velvet lark]

explains why we didn't get the tracklist till way later, in case a song got scrapped or added or titles changed

[cobalt fiber]

I guess that explains why they randomly started teasing everything on August 10th though lol that would be their first free day after the 5 day shooting block

[velvet lark]

we also don't know when they starting making the new batch of envelope, as well as drafting the Incident Report, the lore cards, and whatever other lore content we may get.

they could be working on that now with the album finalized

[cobalt fiber]

Hopefully also some sort of teasers to go with city walls

[blazing breach]

if a 2nd video really exists and it isnt a music video for any song from breach,
then it could be a retcon of hds or even other events from clancy's life, but with a focus on torchbearer

[velvet lark]

probs yeah. Mark is probably on that now that we know his "Miami Vacation" was a troll

[blazing breach]

prior to city walls video

[cobalt fiber]

Where did we hear about this second non city walls video

[blazing breach]

from mojib

[blazing breach]

i use non-american date format

i doubt that the city walls video wouldve been ready that early

[cobalt fiber]

I’m curious about him saying drum show was uploaded a long time ago as well since it seems to have been shot two weeks before he said this, might just be a weird bit of phrasing but I can’t imagine it was uploaded more than like a week and a half before that post which doesn’t feel like too long

And yeah I’d agree city walls wouldn’t be ready by then

[fresh quiver]

artist pick is crazy 😭😭

why are they not trying to hide this more

[stone hornet]

Wydm?

[fresh quiver]

it still feels like a huge spoiler lol

[atomic blaze]

Casual fans do not know what tf is going on anyway lol

[loud sluice]

we dont really know who is the nova bishop, 99% clancy but who knows

[vast hamlet]

also as if i haven’t seen 800 sponsored posts about the box sets

none of them are a secret

[lavish geode]

I just had a thought. MAYBE Nova bishop isnt Clancy as a bishop. There's a chance it's actually Nico after a truce with Clancy. Since Tyler has learned to accept his struggles with mental health, he has learned to coexist with it, so now it isnt Clancy against Nico, but Clancy and Nico working together

Or tldr: that one ai gif of the moment Nico goes to hold Clancy's neck in paladin /j

[lavish geode]

Not this, I think this is a viable posibility

[cobalt fiber]

i was thinking earlier that the "new bishop" could be an info card on keons since he also has antlers like clancy and is way more sympathetic and human than the others, new in the relative sense with him being the most recently converted bishop

mainly because it feels strange to have two separate "character info card"s that are both about clancy

[lavish geode]

I was also thinking that. The only way I would understand it is if there were two different endings

[vale wraith]

I’ve noticed that they often choose the lowest selling item as the artist pick

They did that with the recycled phantom vinyl too (which funnily enough was the one I got because I liked the look the best)

[random pivot]

wym the lowest selling every single time i try to get a boxset they are sold out

[vale wraith]

Nova bishop and torchbearer are still available in the U.S.

[random pivot]

they just restocked

[vale wraith]

Oh I didn’t know they sold out, the tracker I follow hasn’t updated for them in a while.

Regardless nova bishop was selling the slowest

https://x.com/topmerchalerts/status/1958886059002994926?s=46&t=hdei98EUBnFiTAo7SZODpw

TØP Merch Alerts (@TOPMerchAlerts)

USA: They marked the Dark Clancy boxset out of stock at 200 boxes left, i’m assuming it’ll be marked available again eventually.

X · Aug 22, 2025, 1:36 PM

[random pivot]

thats surprising cause it looks amazing

[errant onyx]

Yeah plus that info that's obscured while the other ones don't obscure it definitely says there's something more on the bishop card

That's why I got that instead of TB

[muted axle]

huh weird

[lofty pike]

He didn’t say no other MVs, just no other lore MVs

[lofty pike]

What??

[lofty pike]

Did they restock Dark Clancy???

[lavish geode]

Not from what I've seen

[lofty pike]

😔

[lavish geode]

Only Nova bishop and Torchbearer

[granite pawn]

Do we know how big the info cards are? Thinking about getting the torchbearer or nova edition for the info but idk if it'd be worth it

[thin copper]

i think there are definitely still some remnants (even a few %), i am sure of it
i said it multiple times but, Vignette, i am sure it's Redecorate's sister or it originates from this scrapped project (maybe like Redecorate too), in some way or another

Overcompensate too, like at least the concept of overcompensating had to have been an idea for a song, and probably would've still existed as an idea even in this alternate timeline

like come on he mentioned compensation/overcompensation many times during the 2019 Zane Lowe interview (the same interview he told about having two record ideas and not knowing which one to do first, and also that he hadn't introduced an important character yet (Clancy))

[thin copper]

when i first saw the title of the song i immediately thought of this

[stone hornet]

That was 2021 I believe the SAI interview

[thin copper]

Oh maybe I'm mixing stuff up
Sorry lol

[stone flame]

no, i remember him talking about overcompensating during the trench zane lowe interview too unless we’re all just inflicted with some false memories about this

he might’ve talked about the concept but i believe he did drop the term itself during the SAI interview

[summer mist]

nono, he said compensation in levitate, and did mention it a bit. :)

[blazing breach]

when do we think blurry will wake up?

[sharp hare]

Sept 12

[fresh quiver]

i lowkey think he’s gonna be silent from now on

[dire depot]

I do wonder how much more build up we'll get before breach

[gritty yoke]

need some more blurry tweets

[blazing breach]

too late ig
they're probably gonna tease city walls video via blurry's account

[sharp hare]

I definitely think we'll get at least one more kind of "goodbye" tweet, something saying "Operations of this account have been confiscated by the Sacred Municipality of Dema, under direct orders from Nova Bishop" or something like that, basically saying it got shut down

[blazing breach]

eh
nico is the leader of dema
he won't leave so easily

[sharp hare]

Not saying he'd do it willfully lol. My main theory right now is that Clancy and Nico will fuse into a new, more powerful leader called the Nova Bishop. The Nova Bishop will be the balance between the two extremes. You can't beat darkness forever, you have to embrace those parts of yourself and learn to deal with them. You have to find your own Nova Bishop.

[fresh quiver]

bro needs to go offline

[sharp hare]

me...?

[fresh quiver]

no blurryface lmao sorry

[sharp hare]

ohhhh haha, i was like damn I thought the theory made sense 😭

[fresh quiver]

that wasn’t directed at you haha 💀 mb

[lofty pike]

My theory is also that they’ll merge

[blazing breach]

same thoughts
but i'm really curious about nico's fate

what's about to happen with his.. mortal body

[stone flame]

i want it to break into a million pieces when clancy throws him out the window

[blazing breach]

if clancy throws him out the window

[atomic blaze]

I imagine Clancy killing him and it gets inky and weird like a Venom movie

[blazing breach]

a cool concept actually

[sharp hare]

Has anyone here ever seen Labyrinth? I wouldn't be shocked if the ending had a similar structure.

Spoilers for Labyrinth ig (if you haven't seen it then like... what are you doing, its amazing)

||You know how at the end of Labyrinth, you're so immersed in this fantasy world that your forget it's sort of parallel to the real world, and when they go into the final battle, you're almost expecting a moment after its all over where they all reunite and they take the castle together and we see that the Goblin King is no longer in power, etc?

But you don't see that. Once Sarah beats Jareth, that reality, the dream of that fantasy world crumbles. Because it was a representation of her inner conflict, and once the conflict is over, it no longer serves a purpose. So instead of seeing what happened, she simply wakes up in the real world. She found what she needed within herself and then we see her sort of dancing with all the imaginary characters in the real world to represent that she's found herself and now she doesn't need to escape to this other reality.||

If Clancy beats Nico, or the merge, or whatever happens, I think the ending could be abstract and meta in a very similar way. Because once that conflict resolves, this world that Tyler has created in order to control that conflict no longer has that purpose. Assuming the Nova Bishop represent balance, a sort of yin and yang kind of thing with your inner light and dark parts, then once he becomes the Nova Bishop, we might not see much of what happens after that.

And this is backed up by what Tyler has said about Intentions. That song is the true ending of Breach and this decade long era of the band. He said that it's him, as Tyler, trying to make sense of the ending. Now that the world of Trench is done and over with, we have him reflecting and finding his own conclusion.

Long story short, if you're expecting a clear cut ending where we see exactly what happened and how everyone in Dema was freed and lived happily ever after, you might not really get that. It might be much more ambiguous and open-ended. You'll maybe have to draw your own conclusions about the ending and what it means to you. Just like the TOP logo, it's up to you to give it meaning.

[atomic blaze]

I don’t know necessarily if the visual ending will be as meta but you probably nailed the entire concept of the album imo

Once we get through city walls it’ll be Tyler reconciling with exactly what you said

[sharp hare]

Right! I'm just saying we might not get that "Return of the King ending" where we see that Clancy (or the Nova Bishop) then proceeded to rule over Dema, and Torchbearer was his right hand man, and everyone went on to do this or that, blah blah blah. It might be like, the final confrontation happens with Nico and then it just ends. More like the Inception ending where you're left wondering what really happened and you don't know exactly how it went after that. Which really can be better, because this whole story has been us piceing it together and theorizing about it, and I 'm sure the ending will have us theorizing for a long time.

[atomic blaze]

Oh for sure I’m betting on it. I think Tyler said the ending might make people mad so it’s gotta lean that way, right? Probably less open ended than Paladin Strait though. People were pissssed.

[sharp hare]

Oh yeah, there will definitely be a sense of finality to it. I'm sure some people might end up not liking it or thinking there could be more, but it has to still feel like an ending. Using Inception as an example again, there are so many people who wanted Nolan to explain the ending and wanted clear answers to all their questions, but his refusal to provide those answers and his insistence on leaving it open-ended is why that ending is still talked about 15 years later. So as much as some people might think it's "unsatisfying", I honestly can't imagine a better way to finalize that story. Same thing with the Dema story, I think so much of TOP's messaging is about finding your own purpose and choosing what to live for, so I can't imagine them ending it in a way that explains everything.

[sacred apex]

What happening ?

Did the ending get leaked ?

[atomic blaze]

No

[night oar]

A tøp ending to you is not a top ending to me.

[jolly oyster]

There’s a “leak” that showed up and was about the ending but we don’t believe it’s real because no one on the tour crew would know that info

[lilac sandal]

Can someone share? I'm curious

[sterile glen]

.

[night oar]

Could Nico and TB both be the hallucination that he used to see? What if the brother in My Blood mv represents Nico? He doesn’t act in the same way TB does. He has a much darker persona. He appears as the more dangerous part of him, a projection to protect himself.

[lavish geode]

And we will need something to entertain ourselves while they take a break, so having that space to theorize about the ending doesn't sound so bad lol

[lilac sandal]

There's no way that's how it's going to go lol

[sterile glen]

yeah i agree definitely it’s just a cry for attention i think

[lilac sandal]

It's contradictory to how Tyler sees the themes it explores and would be a genuinely harmful message to spread

[sterile glen]

if there is a world where this person did see how the story ends, i think it’s a case of them massively misinterpreting it

[atomic blaze]

He posted it on aoty of all places too lol

[ebon bloom]

Apparently theneedledrop (Anthony fantano) ended up enjoying drum show, he listened to it live on twitch. Someone on aoty mentioned it on the comments to the song

[tawny wigeon]

yeah he loved it

he prefers when they lean into more rock ig

[loud sluice]

https://youtu.be/3x4reU9edC4?si=m39Fj-9iJo6Flbbv

lfgggg

[atomic blaze]

“Commercial gym music” he is such a tool

[prime sparrow]

I wont even gonna waste my time watching him..

[sterile glen]

hes not the one that said it😭 and he was even like “well if thats the kind of music that plays at the gym i won’t complain”

[prime sparrow]

actually.. I hate his irrelevant assistant more..

[sterile glen]

yeah that guys annoying

[velvet lark]

why does a dude who listens to music for a job need an assistant?

[prime sparrow]

he is blatantly stupid nd everytime goes like he hate top like they are the worst thing ever happened to musi..

[prime sparrow]

he manages tech nd stuff ig..

[sterile glen]

he did also like the song this time tho i was apprised

[prime sparrow]

I also hate rolling stones on aoty, their reviews are such fake ones..

[buoyant bramble]

Didnt he say the N word and other bad stuff at some point 💀

[agile oracle]

hey guys, this isnt rly a leak discussion so id recommend moving to one of the general channels or #bi-topic if ur gonna continue

[granite monolith]

Just gonna add onto this because misinformation is important to stamp out, no he didn't say it just on its own, only when saying for example the songs name, and even then he regularly apologised for it. And the other bad stuff was just clip chimping and editing. Fantano regularly campaigns for queer and black organisations, joining charity streams in support of these causes.

[manic kettle]

Have we considered that Keons is alive? On the Nova bishop boxset his name is still on the bandana, maybe another one but same name?

Just feels weird that his name is on it, since he died, idk

• no new names on it, like, for me it looks like he is alive, or their „names” are not names, but something like ranks?

Sorry if i am late with that and it was already solved

[lilac sandal]

Nova Bishop's profile also says "elected by the nine"

[manic kettle]

If Nova bishop was elected by the nine, and Keons name is on the bandana, it must mean that keons is alive/names are not names but ranks.

But considering Keons is alive, Clancy can’t be the Nova Bishop because Keons would have not elected him

Only way i see it - TB could have seized keons during sai era to help clancy, bishops killed keons but then „the necromancer” resurrected keons who is now a normal bishop. It was not Keons who helped clancy all the way, but TB who seized him

Idk, i have no idea, we gotta wait until city walls

[white anchor]

it could be that it was something that they arranged in the past. like, they all knew of clancy’s power and potential, and ahead of time wanted him to become the next bishop?

and perhaps after the fact keons went against that plan to have him avoid that fate. but clancy still came back in the end

[manic kettle]

Wait, he can be, if keons is „normal” now

Ffs im dumb, sorry for the flood and stupid shit i wrote

[night oar]

What if the hidden part of Nova Bishop reveals that it is TB? Is there any way that TB could have been a bishop previously? What if the storyline in city walls goes back and then forwards. We know the middle leading to the end, but the beginning is pieced together. What if there was a descent from vialism and we see where the walls went up and maybe come back down. Maybe TB left and citizens followed to trench becoming Banditos?

[blazing breach]

maybe tb was a guard in dema.. hardly a bishop

[cobalt fiber]

We don’t know anything about torchbearer’s past so it could really be anything, although specifically being a bishop might be unlikely as his plan to overthrow the bishops seems to hinge entirely upon Clancy being able to seize and could have been executed much earlier without Clancy if torchbearer had that power himself like the bishops do

His guiding ability would seemingly indicate he’s in some way important or special but it seems distinct from what we know of the bishops

[brittle depot]

hi any leaks

[blazing breach]

sep12

[potent shadow]

i really hope that breach will be a rock album similar to what we got on drum show

[fleet arch]

Based on the snippets from the Drum Show premiere, I think there will be a little bit of everything.

[potent shadow]

yea i agree

[azure umbra]

i hope thats the case, im not saying i dont like rock but one of the reasons i love this band so much is their variety

[fleet arch]

I’d like to hear stuff reminiscent of Vessel - Trench, maybe a little bit of SAI (not a SAI hater I promise). I feel like a good amount of us say this for every album release, but either way I’ll be pleased. Both of the singles are super good!

[nova cosmos]

Drum show was good but I still dont really like the contract. Context will either save or destroy that one

[azure umbra]

i feel like the synths in drum show are a little vessel like, maybe thats just me though

[azure umbra]

dang, i love the contract and drum show almost equally. i have seen a few people say they arent a fan of the contract so you are not the only one dont worry

[fleet arch]

I definitely felt a little bit of Vessel vibes from the synths in Drum Show. The synths in The Contract felt like BF/Vessel too.

[azure umbra]

yeah

[nova cosmos]

Drum show took a while to grown on me, like a lot of listens. I think the synths are what pushed me into wanting to relisten, after initially being mixed on it

Idk what it is about top singles but im always super mixed when they first come out or just straight dont like them

[azure umbra]

thats how i felt with backslide

[nova cosmos]

Tyler's pronunciation of "pushed" is absolutely abhorrent and still makes me wince despite it otherwise being a 10 imo.

Poourshed

[azure umbra]

brushed or pushed? idk if im losing it but i dont remember him saying "pushed" in backslide

[atomic blaze]

It’s almost like he’s saying the word ‘brushed’ instead 🙂

[atomic blaze]

I am cackling

[nova cosmos]

Josh dum morph outro

[azure umbra]

wait have you thought he said "pushed" for over a year?

wow

[atomic blaze]

Poourshed

[azure umbra]

before i read the lyrcs i thought he said "paw" in the run and go so i thought that lyrically it was about a dog or smth

[atomic blaze]

Look I didn’t know it was ‘deny, deny, denial” in polarize for 10 years

[nova cosmos]

I didn't know that until just now so you're good

[atomic blaze]

On god I just let white boy do his thing. I learn the lyrics when I get humbled trying to sing along at concerts

[azure umbra]

even he needed help remembering oldies station lyrics one time live

[atomic blaze]

I’ve seen him fumble shy away 3 times live

[azure umbra]

wow i dont thnik he fumbled anything at the concert i went to

[atomic blaze]

I went to the small show where he shouted “just effing help me!” when he got the lyrics wrong lmao

[azure umbra]

actually?

[atomic blaze]

Yep!

[azure umbra]

wow that wouldve been funny

[urban summit]

at first at the like 2:47 point in drum show i thought he said ‘he trespassed just to feel it’

[jolly oyster]

Any new? Been distracted with new Dominic Fike album

[tawny wigeon]

nope

[feral monolith]

Besides drum show

[ebon bloom]

https://x.com/pilotstats/status/1959276670004658613?s=46&t=zQt85CUdx9cO6JiJTRsUlQ returns is crazy for them with a second single

TØP Stats (@pilotstats)

.@twentyonepilots' "Drum Show" returns to the Spotify Global Chart at #165 with 1,270,479 streams.

X · Aug 23, 2025, 3:28 PM

[gentle rose]

I’m excited for Tuesday when we find out how well it’s doing on billboard charts

[jolly oyster]

Well yeah

[potent shadow]

i don't expect it to make the hot 100, it only has 4 days of tracking because it was released on a monday

[loud sluice]

when was the last time their song make to the hot 100?

[zealous walrus]

The Craving I think

[random pivot]

they never do stuff on weekends tbf

[atomic blaze]

Fantano posted his little official review snippet different from his live thing.

[random pivot]

and specially they just dropped the single so idk how long it’ll take since they do stuff

whenever it is time to drop robot voices ig

[sharp hare]

I think there's definitely a chance that we won't get Robot Voices as a single. We know Drum Show was delayed a week, so I feel like it's possible that Robot Voices was originally planned as a third single, but now that the timing is different, they might just skip a third single all together.

[random pivot]

if that’s the case then i fear they gon be silent till album drop

[blazing breach]

mojib mentioned a 3rd single and that means something

however he said that it could be a drop single

[random pivot]

then it’s just city walls

[blazing breach]

i don't think city walls will be a single

just like paladin
for the lore-only purposes

also this
i doubt that city walls video could've been ready at the time

so they have at least one more video
probably drum show backstage that mark confirmed

maybe we'll get it on august 25 or september 1

[random pivot]

thats exactly what i mean

[blazing breach]

but it is not city walls video
and paladin isn't a single

[random pivot]

paladín strait is basically a post álbum single because of the vid

[blazing breach]

paladin was not released as a single i mean

[random pivot]

routines and paladin

[blazing breach]

clancy has 4 singles only and all of them are pre-release

[random pivot]

routines was pushed as a post album single

[blazing breach]

can't find any info about this

[random pivot]

can anyone back this up

[blazing breach]

yup
please

i thought that paladin wasn't a single

[random pivot]

i could swear on my mom routines was pushed as a single

[thin copper]

I'm sure it was a radio single

Paladin I don't think it ever was a single

[random pivot]

well tbf only single i can think of that had a single standalone version is chlorine overcompensate and the craving

[thin copper]

I think The Outside was also a radio single (but not "released as a single")
Morph too or at least was intended to

[blazing breach]

the outside counts as a single tho

[random pivot]

routines do too

[sterile glen]

the outside reached #1 on alt radio

[blazing breach]

can't find any info again :<

[random pivot]

still a single it got the video treatment and tv performances

[blazing breach]

what criteria should be used to determine this?

[random pivot]

just like routines

ima agree that paladin is not a single

my point was that if we ain’t getting a third single before album drops then the 12 we will only get city walls

[blazing breach]

next semester & backslide too tho
i checked spotify & apple music

[random pivot]

it doesn’t need a standalone release cause that is only done in case the song needs to be edited

[thin copper]

They did, on music platforms, before Clancy released

[random pivot]

they did

[thin copper]

okay okay i see my bad

[blazing breach]

[thin copper]

They got deleted, but i remember having them saved on Spotify

[blazing breach]

why?..

[random pivot]

with new releases you can basically add all the singles to a package. they are inside the craving

[sterile glen]

they only keep overcompensate because it has the edit version and the craving because of single version. they delete all pre album singles after an album release

[random pivot]

but yeah as i said for post album singles you don’t need to drop a standalone version if the radio version is going to be the same as the regular

[thin copper]

that makes sense

[blazing breach]

so routines is a single?

[sterile glen]

yep, just not shown as a single on streaming platforms because it’s tied to an already released album without an alternate version to distinguish

[blazing breach]

gotcha
ty

[sterile glen]

post album singles are just what the label shifts focus on for radio stations and marketing like playlisting and such. they also typically get a video when they launch that campaign

[blazing breach]

i think a 3rd single will be released in the same week as the album
"drop single" as mojib said

[sterile glen]

that’s why we got the live mv for routines even though it already had a video

[random pivot]

i mean to my knowledge a drop single is album release day

[blazing breach]

still on the same week technically

[random pivot]

yeah but that’s what i was tryna say if that’s the case then city walls is the single

cause they ain’t gonna drop 2 mvs on one day specially when one of them is this big

[blazing breach]

i hope it's robot voices honestly

[random pivot]

if robot voices is a single then it is or before or after but i doubt it’ll be the same day

[sterile glen]

mojib said he doesn’t think the third single has a mv iirc

[blazing breach]

yup

[random pivot]

i mean clearly not yet so how would he know

[blazing breach]

and they have at least one more video besides drum show
backstage 99.99% because mark confirmed that

[random pivot]

wym

[blazing breach]

mark confirmed we're getting behind the scenes of drum show mv

[gentle rose]

Huh when did he confirm that

[random pivot]

when i watched the stream but i was halfway sleep so maybe i missed it

[sharp hare]

So maybe they had issues with the boxsets? Like for some reason they got delayed or something, and so they delayed the song so that they could release the song and announce the boxsets at the same time?

[random pivot]

or the letters

[blazing breach]

i'm trying to find it now and i suspect might've dreamed it LMAO

[blazing breach]

yeah pretty sure it was related to logistics

[stone hornet]

He said on a stream he's saving footage for a BTS post

I doubt it's already uploaded on their YouTube and has been for a while so I think the video mojib is talking about is not that but I have no idea what it could be tbh.

[blazing breach]

however, mojib mentioned the existence of a 2nd video on august 15 prior to drum show release, so..

bts makes sense imo

[sterile glen]

what dan was saying tho is that mojib said the video was already uploaded to youtube, so it’s most likely not bts that he was referring to since it’s not finished editing yet

[blazing breach]

idk it makes more sense that they uploaded bts and drum show almost simultaneously
and we noticed this before august 15 iirc

i'll try to find that conversation

[gentle rose]

This isn’t mine but does anyone know where this came from

[neat swift]

Instagram stock music

[gentle rose]

Oh ok, so nothing special. Good to know

[jolly oyster]

True, I just didn’t know if there was any new leak info

[night oar]

So now we are drowning in logistics lol

[azure umbra]

does anyone actually want a single 3? i think i would prefer it without one so we get 11 new songs when we listen to the album

[fleet arch]

Me tooo.

[gentle rose]

Honestly no, we have only 3 weeks until the album so I’m good

[azure umbra]

yeah we are so close anyway, its been more than triple the time since the contract released than the amount of time we have left. (idk if that sentence even made sense)

[gentle rose]

Nah I get it

[fleet arch]

Drum Show along with the info we got in the BBC interview was all I needed to hold me over till September 12th.

[azure umbra]

yeah same

[gentle rose]

That’s so for real, like we’ve been spending all of July and a bunch of August just not knowing anything and now Tyler has revealed so much that I am all set for album release

[fleet arch]

I just want everything to hit me like a meteor when Breach comes out. We will finally see the visual ending of the story in City Walls (and it’s literally the first fuggin song).

[lament pendant]

Can’t wait for city walls to be a hype song and then intentions to emotionally break me

[atomic blaze]

Don’t know if I’m gonna go dark the week of the listening parties or seek it out bc I have no self discipline

Almost want to see city walls first before I hear the album

[lament pendant]

I’m ngl I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t play city walls or all of city walls at the LPs

Unless city walls is just the “background music” to the MV in the sense it has nothing to do with the ending. I imagine it will however.

[gentle rose]

I’m so much more intrigued now tho, cause I could hear city walls at the listening parties and have no music video, and just have the week to wonder how the lore will end

[atomic blaze]

That’s what I said earlier they’re either gonna cut city walls or intentions imo

[lament pendant]

Honestly I’m a little nervous but I’m also extremely hyped now. Plus there’s still a bit to look forward to after the album drop.

We’ve got a live album, probably some sort of tour documentary or album documentary or something too.

[azure umbra]

listening party isnt even worth it for me its 7 hours before the album releases and its a 3 hour drive away

[gentle rose]

There are listening parties on the 11th?

[blazing breach]

i know for sure that if i can't stand and decide to listen to leaks, i'll delete city walls and intentions from it

[lament pendant]

Mhm

[gentle rose]

Damn

[random pivot]

the closest one to me is a 2 hours flight and the event is literally the 11th

[buoyant bramble]

Mines on the 6th and its 15 mins from my house 😭

[granite monolith]

Hey guys any le

[random pivot]

2 weeks for the album cause we all know that shit will be out there the 5th

[gentle rose]

nothing leaked so far this era, surprising

[random pivot]

i mean we knew another album was coming but everything after that yeah nothing at all

[gentle rose]

drum show not leaking was amazing

The album will leak after teh listening parties that is a given

[random pivot]

technically the boxsets but that’s hardly a leak and drum show leaked on release day

i wish they would leak the content of the fpe editions cause the band themselves seem to refuse to do it

[timber elbow]

It’ll leak when there’s the listening parties for sure

Nothing beats waiting for that first HQ leak to drop with the Dropbox files or random website 😂 genuinely my favorite part

[muted axle]

any hi

[feral monolith]

All the names are anagrams usually but
Idk what Trash is an anagram for

[prime sparrow]

hi..

[muted axle]

i dont think all the names are anagrams

[atomic blaze]

Shart

[feral monolith]

This makes the most sense thank you

[prime sparrow]

harts

[brittle depot]

nicks

[blazing breach]

nicky walls

[random pivot]

i’m scared breach will be too repetitive, not from the singles, both have been explosive and heavy and gritty and amazing im talking about how the snippets sound it seems like there’s a shit ton of piano, tbf it is top and both singles had piano so it could be sumn like that with some of them but i’m still kinda scared

i trust them tho

[gritty yoke]

though the snippet for drum show only showed a small small part of it so chances are thats the same for the other songs aswell