#Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

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limber hatch
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no one is talking about her anymore

stiff fable
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I’m gonna slowmode this chat to 60 seconds for a while. Still lets people talk relatively fast if something happens, but it’s hard to argue if you have to sit and think about what you say first /lh

summer mist
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idk, you think tyler might be a little peeved at that

oblique goblet
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But this is where im waiting for leaks to drop, what if im there talking and then a leak drops and im like a fraction of a millisecond late to the party?????) You get me?

summer mist
ember hatch
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Could be, the election of a liminal space seems on purpose

sacred totem
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Josh's POV, bringing back in the Spooky Jim ( hence the red eyeshadow ala Spooky )

restive juniper
atomic blaze
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My head is also like a parking garage. Big and Empty

oblique goblet
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No leaks yet. Damn.

tawny wigeon
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bro

delicate umbra
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Thank you!!

shadow mirage
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hello. 1 minute???

tawny wigeon
gentle rose
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Ugh

oblique goblet
gentle rose
summer mist
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Ok hypothetical question, what if top is delaying and making us wait for drum show because the date is supposed to be connected to something?

sacred totem
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Well.

Anyways.

Josh fought to keep RITN, so maybe Drumshow will be his version of RITN & exploring his side, similar to how in the old HDS tour visuals, we'd get his version of Blurryface talking to him & then the drum showdown between himself & Spooky.

summer mist
edgy wolf
ember raven
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I do think drum show will be ritn-esque
like lore coded but not part of the official timeline

sacred totem
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I crave the Jocals

wanton halo
ember hatch
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Yes, it would be nice to see something about the tb, we really haven't seen much about him

sacred totem
ember raven
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they sort of hinted that with the lights in the van resembling the red glowing eye in the contract imo

and levels in a parking garage can parallel what we know about the tunnels under dema

dim island
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I’m kinda surprised nothing big has leaked yet

wanton halo
summer mist
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ok Joshua William dun!!!

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I found out recently that the car they unload out of is just a prop car, not theirs (it’s a real car, it just isn’t theirs. So basically a rental.)

stone flame
sacred totem
summer mist
atomic blaze
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Don’t kill me when I ask this please - is the teaser yesterday the 256th video on YouTube or did their count just go up

wraith mesa
blazing breach
atomic blaze
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Ah ok bc one screen is lagging behind just wondering

shadow mirage
summer mist
summer mist
# sacred totem Teehee

YOU STOLE IT FROM ME NOOOO!!! I WAS GONNA TURN IT INTO A CHATROOM FOR CLIQUEES (and a sanctuary for fanmade merch)

shadow mirage
summer mist
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How much do u want for it shirties PLEAASE i will give my soul for that domain!!! (Im being a drama queen ur totally fine)

smoky tangle
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Nothing happened...?

atomic blaze
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Not yet

summer mist
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1pm incoming

regal otter
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hi I just got home u know what it means

summer mist
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Welp, see u on the 18th. Gl believers

nova bough
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They dont even post that there is only 1 month left what the

tawny wigeon
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fr if they dont do that im gonna be really surprised

blazing breach
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2 pm probably like last time

nova bough
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So 2 more hrs? (Im in a dif timezone sry)

sick sandal
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1 more hour

dim island
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No gang🥀💔💔

ember hatch
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I have no hope that something is going to happen this week

jolly oyster
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I have PT at 2pm, darn

oak dome
untold granite
tired token
summer mist
ebon bloom
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When does Blurryface reborn go on streaming services again?

atomic blaze
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It doesn’t

untold granite
summer mist
ebon bloom
tired token
# summer mist don’t be a downer man. Cmon. Uncool.

man its just tiring atp, everyone saying "todays guys its today!!!" and if it isnt today theyll switch to "tomorrow guys tomorrow" or ashley saying everyday that their sources claim today and its never anything

edgy wolf
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Don't tell me Drum Show is dropping the same day as BLURRYFACE Reborn. 💀

nova bough
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I start to think that we really get Drum Show at the 18th 💀💀

jolly oyster
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Blurryface: Reborn on 8/18?

hollow agate
lofty pike
summer mist
tired token
ember raven
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there's no new leaks so perhaps this conversation should go somewhere else

tired token
atomic blaze
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Stop

restive juniper
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Okay time for both of you to stop

summer mist
dim island
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Holy guacamole

summer mist
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ok wait, what if the whole drum show thing is about small bands? Like garage bands or highschool bands? I don’t have any evidence to back the claim up but- the fact it’s in a parking lot, leads me to believe it’s related to something about bands

edgy wolf
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When I think of the name Drum Show and try to imagine a song that's bass heavy but very drum-focused, all I can think of is Navigating.

feral monolith
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Chicken n’ waffles that’s what I’m saying with my 60 seconds

summer mist
edgy wolf
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Which tracks, because Josh got Navigating on the record when Tyler wanted to remove it. So I'm expecting a fast-paced single worthy song. Probably alt-rock.

summer mist
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unless you uh, count a chair as an instrument. crumbdumb

edgy wolf
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Tyler getting a new bass and a new electric guitar also both signify those instruments being used heavily on this album. Unlike Clancy where he used his guitar only subtly and didn't seem to upgrade it.

summer mist
summer mist
manic kettle
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damn thats a huge cooldown

queen harness
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60???

tawny wigeon
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i think i've finaly accepted that its out next monday most likely

stiff fable
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that’s my assumption rn too

queen harness
summer mist
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let them cook imo, Monday will come soon enough 🥲

dim island
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If it’s dropping Monday I’ll finally be home to be there for it for once

summer mist
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Nick u should change the server banner to the empty parking lot!!!

tawny wigeon
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this chat is too calm its weird

pseudo grail
atomic blaze
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I’m not expecting the single this week but I will be surprised if the livestream is the only movement we get beforehand

tawny wigeon
summer mist
queen harness
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i wanna say the single & mv is coming this thursday/friday. monday is too random

ember hatch
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I also accept it already, nothing we can do, so...

tawny wigeon
worthy dock
summer mist
tawny wigeon
tawny wigeon
summer mist
opal loom
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hi guys have we gotten anything😭

opal loom
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😭😭💔💔

nova bough
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Anything in 14 minutes?

fiery nova
tawny wigeon
summer mist
fiery nova
full comet
tawny wigeon
nova bough
gentle rose
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Idk if they should specifically post about it being one month, but they should do something because of the date significance

nova bough
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Btw I cant believe Breach drops in 1 month

oak dome
nova bough
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At this point I would not be surprised💀

blazing breach
gentle rose
oak dome
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just saying another way of breaching our trust is dropping the album earlier

opal loom
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so do we think somethings gonna happen in 3mins..

blazing breach
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whats ur eta?

bright island
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2 minutes

urban summit
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waiting for another video from tyler in his studio saying its delayed

gentle rose
urban summit
nova bough
gentle rose
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Anything?

opal loom
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nothing right?😔

lofty pike
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👀

nova bough
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n o t h i n g

tawny wigeon
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we go again tmrw

bright island
urban summit
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nowt

gentle rose
blazing breach
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😭

ebon bloom
night oar
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Check this out.

lofty pike
bright island
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gentle rose
tawny wigeon
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oh wait YESSSS

white anchor
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HOLY SHIT

nova bough
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Picture disc ahhhh

worthy saddle
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OMH?7

ebon bloom
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my local record store finally posted AHHHH

opal loom
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im confused what happened

lofty pike
gentle rose
ebon bloom
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THESE DISKS?!!!!

tawny wigeon
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BRO MY CLOSEST EVENT IS IN FUCKING IRELAND? AND IM IN ENGLAND

bright island
cunning granite
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@true dune look what they called st george, dawg HardwellAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

stone hornet
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None in the UK?

gritty yoke
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someone zoom in on the discs i canot see them lol

last shore
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any updates?

lofty pike
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No Costa Rica 💔

gentle rose
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HOLD UP PICTURE DISCS?! YEAAAAAA

tawny wigeon
true dune
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since when did

cunning granite
true dune
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where did that come from

past panther
bright island
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holly

stone hornet
gritty yoke
lofty pike
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SO WE GOT SOMETHING ISH.
Gahhh why am I not back in Idaho or the states in general

ebon bloom
tawny wigeon
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holy freaking shit those picture discs are fucking AMAZING

past panther
bright island
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OMG

magic fjord
tawny wigeon
blazing breach
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hello nox!!

h r u

nova bough
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Im confused these are avaliable at the stores? Or is there pre order?

last shore
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YO?

magic fjord
gentle rose
blazing breach
past panther
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side b they are not together anymore...

tawny wigeon
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ARE WE SEEING THIS SHIT THATS DARK CLANCY

ebon bloom
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Ahh

gentle rose
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FINALLY A BAND POST AFTER A MONTH

tawny wigeon
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IM SORRY WHAT????? "FOCUSER" "DEPARTURE" "ACHUNG"

neat swift
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EXALT

last shore
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MY MOM AGREED TO TAKE ME

lofty pike
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THE TITLES

magic fjord
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achtung is german for attention

gentle rose
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It’s not drum show but I’m satisfied

full comet
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Where are we finding those?? Did top post??

last shore
past panther
magic fjord
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WAIT CHAT ISNT THAT PICTURE ON EXALT A SHIRT PICTURE

tawny wigeon
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those picture discs are fucking awesome

marsh venture
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did you know i also said something * will happen today? yippee wooohooo

main knoll
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Let’s not do this

sacred totem
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Let's not start c:

tawny wigeon
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?

last shore
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IS IT FREE?

regal otter
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so no drum show !!!

magic fjord
oak dome
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where tf is the song gang

urban summit
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WAIT WHATS HAPPENINGGG

bright island
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what a scam

past panther
loud sluice
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tyler will not take the jacket in the next mv?

main knoll
# tawny wigeon ?

The message a few of us were referring to was deleted. Nothing to see here

last shore
tawny wigeon
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im sorry but this is insane

urban summit
queen hornet
limber hatch
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brazil isn't included..

oak dome
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dragging my path

wild raven
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bro ofc bulgaria isnt in the radar why am i not surprised

urban summit
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okay theres actually so many new photos on this discs

random pivot
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was that really all we gonna get today not like in complaining but

modest arrow
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anything but single 2 😭🙏

urban summit
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single 2 is 18th august so… theyre just keeping us busy

random pivot
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the pics are cool at least

last shore
modest arrow
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yeah the focuser ones are wicked

regal otter
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they must be so confident about the album fr, this rollout is rlly interesting

sacred totem
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Dying bc the closest to me is 4 hours. . .

tawny wigeon
buoyant bramble
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Theres a place 15 mins from my house lmao

last shore
bright nimbus
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tf is an achtung

last cove
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what i really want is breach on casette tape, I love casettes

wild raven
regal otter
upbeat willow
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So are these 2LP???

oak dome
modest arrow
tawny wigeon
ebon bloom
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No, probably front/back

last cove
marble wasp
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they'll announce anything but the second single 💔

past panther
urban nacelle
tawny wigeon
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so there's clearly more photoshoots from this era. i need them NOW

loud sluice
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they just pretend the livestream didnt exist lol

summer mist
urban summit
ebon bloom
urban nacelle
buoyant bramble
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So how does it work? Do you just show up?

hasty escarp
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so we are getting nothing or have we got sum cuz I been away

ebon bloom
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gotta line up at midnight at this point 😭

atomic blaze
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Why the fuck did I get waitlisted lmao

last shore
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so like you just show up?

atomic blaze
tawny wigeon
hasty escarp
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so is it just a listening event or did I miss sum

urban nacelle
worthy saddle
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just listening parties

tawny wigeon
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with new picture discs

hasty escarp
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cool but
where’s my song guys…

urban nacelle
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Watch Breach get leaked a week before the listening party 😭😭

smoky tangle
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Fuck this band

tawny wigeon
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its definitely gonna leak, im gonna try and get to a listening event 🙏

last shore
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me too

hasty escarp
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A MINUTE SLOWMODE? FIX IT SILV.

tawny wigeon
hasty escarp
azure atlas
last shore
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knowing my city tho there’s not a lot of clikkies here. if there was our show would be sold out by now but it’s not so i have hope that i can get to one if i leave an hour or two early, especially since this place is 7 minutes from my house.

lofty pike
ebon bloom
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even seeing the new promotional images on the discs is sick. we needed to more of the photoshoots/promo

hasty escarp
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locations aren’t even released in uk😔

last shore
finite minnow
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i think having the album available a week early will make it flip on the day of official release. does that make sense or no😭

tawny wigeon
hasty escarp
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I DONT WANNA GO ALL THE WAY TO DUBLIN FOR IT. FIX IT SILV

magic wadi
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"get our new album Breach in your ears before everyone else." ....uh not if she's involved this time

tawny wigeon
last shore
hasty escarp
last shore
finite minnow
hasty escarp
loud sluice
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hope intentions don't get played at listening parties. i don't wanna get spoiled on this 10-year-long loregrief

tawny wigeon
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thats why im gonna try and go. dont wanna get spoiled accidentally

hasty escarp
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I might not go… i like the excitement of checking if it’s been released yet once it hits the release time

ember hatch
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Why with clancy they were many listening party in latam but know we have only mexico 💀

finite minnow
tawny wigeon
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if there's one near me. im going, if not im gonna have to avoid the leaks grief

marble wasp
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the hour and place for mexico have yet not been defined :(

shadow mirage
tawny wigeon
ebon bloom
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might go for the picture discs and dip cause the speaker quality at mine for Clancy was not good...😭

gentle rose
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If these things are on both September 6 and 7 I’m gonna do both days if these picture discs are as limited as people say

shadow mirage
# tawny wigeon ????

that one minute slowmode is actually killing me, what were you questioning about?

prime sparrow
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new release date guys.. 6SEPT

where is loisbearer????

tawny wigeon
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they're rlly doing everything but release more info about this next single... confused

prime sparrow
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I am sure I'll be listening to this album at my home on spet 6..

smoky tangle
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Do we think bonus tracks ?

shadow mirage
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like am i the only one who thinks this is stupid? I remember Linkin Park had this for From Zero, but it was with headphones and no phones (iirc) so it wouldn't get leaked, but this literally doesn't make sense.

finite minnow
shadow mirage
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Free stuff btw? What is that I wonder

atomic blaze
lilac sandal
hasty escarp
shadow mirage
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can we like a fan contact our local shop to organise this or would this be too much?

last shore
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tyler doesn’t like deluxes

thin copper
finite minnow
hasty escarp
worthy saddle
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more locations are added in uk

gentle rose
tawny wigeon
thin copper
nova bough
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Is there another link? Or what is wrong with some places? It does not show every event

tawny wigeon
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@hasty escarp uk dates added

hasty escarp
normal elk
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never thought it would happen to me but had a dream that the single came out and it was tally

last shore
visual creek
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I called my local store and they said “Yeah they always say there will be a limited stock and then we get a bjillion in stock so we can’t say for certain any stock numbers of vinyls until we actually get the shipments.”

tawny wigeon
hasty escarp
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blurryface and every other album FORSURE had songs that were intended for previous album but just weren’t good enough
he means basically “i feel like these songs could’ve been a thing but they needed more to it so im gonna give them a chance”

azure atlas
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THERE IS SO MUCH TO CATCH UP ON @lofty pike

hasty escarp
thin copper
hasty escarp
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Vivid seats has a great vision of breach tour

sacred cobalt
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Bruh tf😭 😭

main knoll
thin copper
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Like I was literally a double album believer I'm not contradicting that specifically

serene sapphire
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this is so ugly

stiff fable
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why does Josh’s hair look like that 😭

hasty escarp
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why does tyler think hes Freddie mercury😭

tawny wigeon
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i hope they release the full images of these picture discs

magic wadi
tawny wigeon
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im scared for the implications of Exalt.

worthy saddle
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what time are listening parties usually?

patent geyser
gentle rose
main knoll
lofty pike
patent geyser
gentle rose
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Same here

modest tinsel
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i’m awake i’m awake

blazing breach
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alright im in delulu mode

rawfear is the next single

lofty pike
hollow agate
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man i wish i didnt have to literally get on a plane if i wanted to go to the nearest listening party

prime sparrow
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until the timer is done nd u can send msgs freely like this again..

lofty pike
magic wadi
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My mind is thinking the worst with this. Hope this doesn't mean clancy wants to be "exalted" void

tawny wigeon
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insane. and the image is him being raised up by us...

patent geyser
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We chanted Clancy

lofty pike
magic wadi
vast hamlet
tawny wigeon
prime sparrow
lofty pike
magic wadi
tawny wigeon
feral monolith
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Can we talk about how this era’s vinyls have blown every other era out of the water

lofty pike
tawny wigeon
stiff fable
tawny wigeon
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they're feeding us with visuals and vinyls, but not with singles. griefgriefgrief

thin copper
lofty pike
tawny wigeon
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so the album will definitely be leaked at least a week before, im gonna try and avoid all leaks tbh. hopefully i can make it to a listening event

urban summit
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id rather hear the album like, properly, not recordings from listening events or if it happens, the actual leaked audio files

tawny wigeon
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yh i feel the same, i kinda want to hear it on my own first to really soak it in... but also want to hear it early

gritty yoke
tawny wigeon
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mojib said this for today btw

magic fjord
thin copper
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i think today's announcement was also their way of telling us "August 18th"

tawny wigeon
thin copper
magic fjord
thin copper
tawny wigeon
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same, and it kinda feels like the marketing is being ramped up now (i hope), so im ok with that

blazing breach
magic fjord
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i wish we got it sooner but on the bright side on 8/18 there will be 3 weeks and 3 days till breach drops in nz and if mojib was right about 3 singles that means we realistically wont be waiting too long to hear one more song before the album which we will be hearing in 2 weeks as of next week

thin copper
oblique goblet
magic fjord
keen bison
oblique goblet
thin copper
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well idk that's what i read
if i got the wrong info then mb
also what i said, it's just a "maybe", "i think"

blazing breach
dim island
oblique goblet
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Larry

blazing breach
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they cant release a song at 8:18 pm today right

they
wont

magic fjord
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8/18 is drum show, 9/6 is the first day for LPs, 9/11 in my timezone is when breach drops in the first regions of the world

we're finally being fed

restive juniper
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I'm reading to add mojib to the automod I'm so done with all this😭

glacial crane
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as of today 3/4 artists on that unreleased song list have announced singles for this week.... one artist remains unfortunately

keen bison
dim island
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I think the chances are high for another post tomorrow?? But as I type that I lose hope

thin copper
atomic blaze
magic fjord
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yk realistically speaking theres only about a 2 week window for a third single if they wanna drop before the LPs

opal loom
tawny wigeon
magic fjord
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we're so close yall

ebon bloom
keen bison
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who what huh I got a ping

atomic blaze
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That’s actually more than I thought tbh

gentle rose
white anchor
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2500 spread across however many listening parties, it’ll probably be not that many still

digital gyro
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bro my local record store is doing a ;liostening party but im in marching band and i hasve bandcamp on the 6thgrief

thin copper
sacred cobalt
nova bough
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Haha place for Drum Show link

bright island
sacred cobalt
atomic blaze
tawny wigeon
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im crying thats so funny. (about the listening events, someone posted this on twitter)

lilac sandal
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bruhhhh
even when the album is available for full listening?

tawny wigeon
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@atomic blaze great minds think alike

lilac sandal
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also why is slowmode an entire minute here now? (and not in any of the other theories channels?)

ebon bloom
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They’re probably relieved this is the last album in the lore cause two listening events in a row of this😭 they’re done with them

atomic blaze
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“I Tyler Joseph will knife you and seize your corpse if I see a leak online due to your record store”

tawny wigeon
lilac sandal
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fair, I just would not have expected more insanity here than in the main theories or verified leaks chat

ebon bloom
worthy dock
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I called the owner of my local record store owner where they are doing the listening party -- he said they will have free swag on top of the giveaways AND that the picture discs will be a PRE-ORDER that will be avaialble only at the event. and will be available the following week. - damn @ebon bloom got to it before me lol

sick sandal
tawny wigeon
ebon bloom
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2000 Worldwide is crazy

worthy dock
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of each variant - thats pretty standard pressing numbers ESPECIALLY when they have 15 OTHER variants already -- this is one of the biggest variant pools ive ever seen for a record

lilac sandal
modest arrow
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variant x1000, singles x1

ebon bloom
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1000 variants of the contract

cunning granite
lilac sandal
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yea, I'm sure. But the album's probably going to leak around then and a bunch of people will hear it anyway

nova bough
cunning granite
wraith mesa
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Watch there be non left for EU sunglasses_cry

ebon bloom
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Ouh alternate sleeve

tawny wigeon
nova bough
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Tix?tylerblobthinking

thin copper
nova bough
visual creek
nova bough
hasty escarp
blazing breach
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lets pray for a single release this evening

muted axle
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isn't it preorder

tawny wigeon
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ugh my record store has still not posted any info about the event wtf

worthy dock
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it is

nova bough
hasty escarp
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ah my bad
also i havent checked, does the normal preorder still say 5th or 12th?

last shore
muted axle
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12th

worthy dock
last shore
hasty escarp
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i need a return of the DEEEP bf voice like we got in fairly local

smoky tangle
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what does exclusive mean, these photos are so weird, we can see dark clancy and otrchbearer, red clancy, yellow torchie. This all seems so goddamne xciting and its asking even more quesitons. After the drop today and seeinf how strict rules are, do ya'll think there's actually more to this than just an album release?

stone nova
nova bough
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Could that happen that the 5 variants are USA only and the Departure named variant is for everywhere else?

tawny wigeon
lofty pike
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Any cool theories or developments after the listening party thing and discs?????

blazing breach
smoky tangle
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so im guessing there IS actually bonus tracts lmao

gritty yoke
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wth does achtung mean

hasty escarp
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danger in german i think

ebon bloom
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Breach listening event posts already passing Clancy’s in engagement are we back 🤨😩

nova bough
hasty escarp
lilac sandal
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It means attention/danger, both are valid translations depending on context

nova bough
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I learned both german and english lol

hasty escarp
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well mb it does but im looking too deep
it means danger in german tho
I HATE THIS TIMERRRRRRRRRRRRR I LOOK LIKE A FUCKING DICK

nova bough
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No you dont look like that dont worry, lets agree on that f this timer

hasty escarp
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fuck this timer mods.

thin copper
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i literally don't see the point
like, it isn't more active than #theories rn
maybe earlier but rn it just makes no sense, at least not a fucking minute

nova bough
#

Rn its unnecessary i think, it is so hard to talk this way

hasty escarp
#

like i dont mind 10 seconds but a MINUTE

blazing breach
muted axle
hasty escarp
#

clancy needs attention from torchbearer
clancy is in danger without torchbearer
torch tries to alarm clancy but cant
it could be all of these / these are probably the meaning for it

main knoll
#

The timer is bc there’s technically no confirmed leaks rn. There’s logically not much of a convo to have here lately, especially considering how much infighting has been happening in here (stuff went down this morning which is a reason why mods increased the timer)

nova bough
#

I understand the rules but sometimes its too much, like we should go to off topic ig but then some mod would send us back to another chanel if we start to theoryse or something

muted axle
#

whoever fights over some music that we get either way is pretty immature if im being honest

grand summit
#

RE: website nodes, I believe the reason everything says Wallows (and Ed Sheeran being on one of the nodes) is because the people making the pages just copy-pasted stuff.

main knoll
muted axle
#

it's possible that there's going to be extra tracks but it's just speculation

keen oak
lilac sandal
lofty pike
main knoll
# lilac sandal Also a bunch of off-topic fighting the other day

Yeah that was definitely also a factor. TBH I don’t personally think this timer is that bad of a thing, at least for now when we don’t have many leaks to talk about. A lot of the theory-adjacent talk in here can happen in the regular theories channel. But I get that it’s annoying lol

keen oak
lofty pike
#

Wait who’s saying there might be bonus tracks and why

muted axle
lofty lava
nova bough
main knoll
delicate kraken
keen oak
nova bough
#

Dont be mean here pls

muted axle
fiery nova
restive juniper
#

The whole point is that this a leaks chat and there are no leaks right now

#

So technically it shouldn't be used at all

#

We are leaving it up in case something happens but adding a slowmode to prevent fights like we have seen in the past week

nova bough
fiery nova
zealous walrus
#

It was incredibly toxic early today, the slowdown 100% makes sense

nova bough
#

You lost The Game. is typeing, me reading this: grief

keen bison
balmy smelt
nova bough
#

Whats your fav new vinyil?

restive juniper
blazing breach
#

images from exclusive disks could be included in the booklet

just thoughts

keen oak
restive juniper
#

The insider source can't reveal much, then it's all vague, and it's not really fruitful

restive juniper
#

So I don't think the name change would help unfortunately

tawny wigeon
#

anything new my leakers

glacial crane
nova bough
#

Imagine if 8/18 is just a day for another teaser💀
Have they ever released music on Monday?

gentle rose
#

Only my blood afaik

nova bough
#

The handwritten tracklist is the tracklist, at least at this point i am sure in this

jolly oyster
#

We are still denying the tracklist??

lament pendant
#

Denying the tracklist in August 2025? SMH smh

hollow agate
#

imagine being the person who made that tracklist and knowing how widespread it got and how many believed it willingly i’d never shut up about it tbh

nova bough
#

The tracklist is everywhere sobit would be a HARD work to get everyone to change it
(some stores still has the 09.05 release written out there)

And The Contract aint sounding like an opener

stone flame
keen oak
tawny wigeon
#

people still think the tracklist isnt real...? 😭

lament pendant
#

That’s what I’m saying 😭

tawny wigeon
#

even after we've heard snippets of the songs and they're on streaming platforms.. 😭

lament pendant
#

Not to mention the titles are LITERALLY registered on public databases

muted axle
#

well breach isn't real so the tracklist is fake as well

blazing breach
#

i think drum show will be released this thursday
and 818 means a teaser for robot voices

muted axle
#

they teased a teaser

lofty pike
#

There are trash dragons flying all over where I’m at rn is this lore

#

I need full pictures of the disc covers

regal otter
rapid nest
# regal otter lmao

wait if breach was also teased does this mean they teased a teasers teased teased??

blazing breach
ebon bloom
fleet arch
gentle rose
ebon bloom
zealous walrus
#

Mine is not as far as I know

toxic thicket
gentle rose
#

Ok then

buoyant bramble
#

Mine hasnt said jack shit yet

tawny wigeon
#

same wtf

visual creek
#

Likely the stores that are smaller will do wristbands while other stores that can handle bigger capacity won’t. Call your local store or look at their socials to confirm

blazing breach
#

why do we think hes gonna turn into a bishop

not blurryface?
i mean blurryface option makes much more sense
tyler even returned the red socks for this album, and the ink and color red for clancy
in fairly local mv tyler also wears the high boots..

lilac sandal
#

In the end they're kind of the same thing. Blurryface and Nico are the same person but Blurry also kind of represents the bishops as a whole

tawny wigeon
#

my local is yet to put out any info on socials 😭

lofty pike
#

I have a theory that Blurryface is actually post breach. My Google doc is several pages long so far… I have a lot to write.

worthy dock
tawny wigeon
blazing breach
blazing breach
#

like you become blurryface when you lose your identity, your path, blindly obeying..
oh, wait

why do i kneel on these concepts?
tempted by control
controlled by temptation

lofty pike
lofty pike
keen bison
#

2 Hours until nothing !!

full comet
finite totem
#

Yikes

feral monolith
#

2 hours till I eat some bangin fish tacos

balmy smelt
#

I’m looking at the picture discs and.. this is not good

grand summit
#

What is the source of the name of the album variants? I don't see it on the site.

lament pendant
#
grand summit
#

I see the pictures in the corner, but not the variant names that are going around.

lament pendant
#

Pretty sure they’re on there, if not it’s on Twitter on the official band account sorry I forgot to mention that stupid slowmode.

grand summit
#

I see. It's on their Instagram as well. Weird that it's not on the website itself.

cursive river
#

exalt.

toxic thicket
#

my dumbass thought there was a patch note with new bishops when I first saw that

keen bison
#

An hour and 5 minutes remain.

glacial crane
smoky tangle
#

yo guys trust these new names are new songs

fluid crescent
glacial crane
#

kinda hope we get a special sleeve like the clancy listeningparty vinyls, one with the album name and tracklist like the UO cover

lilac sandal
#

Focuser sounds like a great song title

glacial crane
#

true but they love to call their vinyls "er"s or "or"s

but theyve also never named one after a song til BAM RAWFEAR

fleet arch
thin copper
#

it's 1:31 am in most of Europe
would be a funny time to release a single...

blazing breach
jolly oyster
#

Any new today besides listening parties

blazing breach
keen bison
#

Soon.

bright island
granite monolith
#

I am PHYSICALLY begging them to give Cardiff something. ANYTHING.

blazing breach
vast hamlet
#

mother

#

fucker

#

it always tags the wrong creations

urban summit
blazing breach
sacred apex
#

Man tomorrow has to be a teaser for Drum show right ?

dim island
#

they may actually post tomorrow because we dont anticipate anything but who knows

glacial crane
#

honestly i see no reason for them to tease it tomorrow 💔

dim island
#

next week jordancry

glacial crane
#

id love for it to happen but friday or sunday is my guess for a trailer/announcement, unforch

drops next monday and usually an announcement/trailer will come a day or 2 prior to release for them. in this odd case, it falls on a monday so we can expect friday probably? they don't tend to post on sundays but they did for BFX so it isn't unrealistic

raven raptorBOT
lofty pike
#

Anyyyythinggg

marble wasp
#

atp it will release in the last week of august

keen oak
#

Double single next week please 😭

glacial crane
#

is there anything new or are we just saying shit now lol

stiff fable
#

the intercom lady announced service requests

#

on level 8, then level 1, then 8 again

keen oak
glacial crane
wary dome
#

Can someone make a pfp image of Tyler face on focuser vinyl ?

lofty pike
atomic blaze
#

Their stylist is probably so tired of us

lofty pike
marble wasp
sharp crow
#

Wait so are the picture disks the whole album or just singles

marble wasp
#

Idek but it seems to be whole album

lofty pike
#

Album I think??

sharp crow
#

Why are they releasing the album a week early then? 😭

marble wasp
#

uhhhmm Idk !

lofty pike
#

Idk I’m so lost but I trust the boys

keen oak
bleak tulip
atomic blaze
ebon bloom
#

They sold 195+ U.S. copies of Breach today after just the slightest announcement 😭

atomic blaze
#

Crazy what happens when you actually promote your album

fresh quiver
#

they should do that more

lofty pike
#

We believe tomorrow will be silent?

untold granite
#

Possibly but we got the livestream yesterday and the listening party news today so who knows!

grizzled elm
#

I think we'll keep getting stuff this week
Like an official announcement of the next sigle

lofty pike
#

I feel like there’s been a pattern in the past of two things in a row, then at least a day of silence before something else, but I might just be imagining things and losing my mind 😭😭

I hope we get an announcement

untold granite
marble wasp
granite monolith
#

I think we for sure get the name today, teaser in 2 days and then single monday

#

Just makes the most sense with this "rollout"

magic fjord
azure umbra
#

guys i think we are getting something on 21st/22nd depending on timezone

oak dome
#

Yea robot voices

azure umbra
#

that will be exactly 3 months after breach was announced and its on a thursday/friday (timezones) i know a lot of people think it will be on the 18th/19th but idk

lilac sandal
#

I hope for something tomorrow

#

but at the same time, we did get only 2 days in a row of things when the tracklist was announced and then back to silence, so I'm not confident or anything

rapid nest
#

gm leak nation

plain cliff
#

No leqks

shadow mirage
#

Does this mean TOP account is active rn or is this a bug or something

#

Isn’t it like 4 in the morning on columbus lol. Tyler forgot to turn off his computer?

lilac sandal
#

Tyler's sleep schedule is a mess, at least during tour

wary dome
shadow mirage
#

Tyler laying in bed, watching reels through his phone on the band account lol

granite monolith
#

Realising TIMH finally has a twin with a breach song having achtung in it

#

Welcome back an nyeong hase yo

tawny wigeon
#

i wonder if the picture disc titles are hints at some of the lyrics, perhaps the lore songs. they definitely are hinting towards how the lore will go as well

blazing breach
shadow mirage
#

5 days to go until 8/18

granite monolith
blazing breach
magic fjord
granite monolith
rapid nest
blazing breach
#

my point is that they forgot to move drum show forward by a week (aug14) in apple music metadata, so the song appeared in some playlists, and we found out about it

granite monolith
#

Oh, yeah that does make sense

gentle rose
dim island
#

Dm everybody

restive juniper
#

Maybe don't 😭

eternal badger
hasty escarp
#

yall think sum will happen td?

hasty escarp
blazing breach
hasty escarp
#

i think something might because they have been pretty active the past few days with the stream and the listening events

blazing breach
regal otter
#

I figured it out, what’s been happening this rollout

#

I have a theory that I like, I’m at work I’ll send it asap

rapid nest
regal otter
#

But long story short: it’s their lying era, I think we can guess what’s gonna happen next if we look into what they said they would never do, stuff like that
The « breach our trust » thing, insiders having fake informations, Clancy becoming evil apparently in the lore etc etc
They’ve been doing weird things to put us on the wrong path

regal otter
#

They said they’d never have a hiatus again and we had 2 months of silence

#

That they’d never do anything on weekends, we had the premiere thing

#

Clancy breached TB’s trust, he’s breaching ours too
I think this is the theme of this era, accentuated by him not taking the jacket on the cover and ofc The Contract

errant onyx
#

I do think that was a legit accident though, them doing that

Like someone was misinformed about the time they'd post that teaser

regal otter
prime sparrow
errant onyx
#

That's hard to say, I know Tyler usually liked saying that whatever he made at the time that didn't make the cut during album sessions, he wouldn't end up using at all since he thought it was too late for that song

With the use of the Korea demo in one of the teasers that might be one of those breaches of trust

regal otter
#

What else did they say they’d never do? Didn’t they mention something like that in the Zane Lowe itw ?

errant onyx
#

Well there was that thing where he said he didn't wanna make a deluxe version of the Clancy record

But then again, that could still happen since we still haven't seen those live Clancy tracks

It could be something like breach having a deluxe that includes the Clancy tour as a side A

regal otter
errant onyx
lament pendant
#

I’d be more inclined to believe they’re gonna release it as a live album. Most live albums don’t include just the album tracks they’re fore they include a full show front to back, that would be around 2 hours of music so it would likely be a 3lp release like BF live was.

lament pendant
#

Personally I think what we’re seeing is what we’re getting, 3lp live album later this year with breach dropping September 12th and possibly having the final mv releasing around a month later in October (yes even though they’d be on tour) if it doesn’t come out WITH the album.

granite monolith
#

did they say specifically they were doing a live album? tbh, I dont think theyre actually doing a live album if they didnt outright say it. I think the notices were just letting us know theyd be recording us for social media purposes

lament pendant
#

Yes. They literally said so during the Columbus show during Clancy tour

granite monolith
#

oh, weird then. this whole era has been bizarre

tawny wigeon
lament pendant
#

Here’s the image btw (not being rude)

plain cliff
#

It’ll come out wen they record breach live as a big album

granite monolith
#

oh, yeah. im so confused why it isnt out yet then and is being done after breach, id kinda delulu'd myself into thinking it was just a promo message

tawny wigeon
#

i believe they’re focusing on breach first and the live album might not even be done yet cause they take ages to make. live album in 2026 is my guess

plain cliff
#

Yeah I mean this tour is called the Clancy tour: breach so it’ll be released together with breach songs I imagine

atomic blaze
#

I have checked everyday for them to go online on ig and it’s their first time in a long ass time. But might be residual from the listening party post

granite monolith
tawny wigeon
lament pendant
# plain cliff It’ll come out wen they record breach live as a big album

I disagree, considering a live album for Clancy tour would be roughly 2 ish hours that would require at least 3lp’s already. Having breach on top of that would be even more than that. These live album take longer than normal albums to mix and master considering it’s not recorded in a studio environment.

plain cliff
#

Who says they can’t make a 3-3.5 hour album though?

rapid nest
thin copper
#

but not impossible

lament pendant
#

I could see the live album dropping AFTER breach tour concludes in January or February or even as a holiday gift. I mean they could, but 3 to 3.5 hours would be 5 lp’s….the album would be EASILY $150+ and super expensive to press.

granite monolith
#

I can see them being sold seperately but im a bundle, but not in one product

plain cliff
#

Idk I can see them doing a long live album… many artists have done this in the past + I’m sure they’ll release on streaming this time too

lament pendant
#

And I’d rather them keep it down to 3lp’s and have it be more readily available as to avoid the blurryface live style rarity. Who knows if they’ll release it on streaming this time either, they might not.

granite monolith
#

2 live albums, both $60 or 110 in a bundle would be my guess. I dont see people wanting to spend much more on it

#

tbf at this point its arguably cheaper to get a spoofed blurryface live vinyl (not that I condone piracy) than to get the actual one. I assume they want to avoid that for a live album of one of their biggest eras

plain cliff
#

I just have it on local files

queen harness
#

it takes a lot of time to master and edit live recordings thats why vlancy tour live isnt out yet

lament pendant
#

Not to mention to add another bit of music on top of that, this stuff wouldn’t come out till late 2026 at this point 😭

granite monolith
#

just give it to paul meany, he'll have it done in an hour /s (this is sarcasm)

rapid nest
#

its not that easy

plain cliff
#

Paul doesn’t mix the stuff he just produces the music

queen harness
#

tbh personally i think its not likely that they will also record breach tour and release together. cause a lot of the songs will be the same. so idk

granite monolith
#

your honor I was doing a funny, not making an actual point.

plain cliff
#

I have no idea what s means imma be real so I had no clue

balmy smelt
lament pendant
#

Oh oh not to mention the breach tour uses amphitheaters. Yknow…places that acoustics are the most difficult to work with due to their open air nature…

granite monolith
#

shouldve said hawkins (who did trench and sai I believe)

granite monolith
tawny wigeon
#

i don’t believe they’re gonna only tour the final lore album in the US, they’re not even doing columbus..

raven raptorBOT
stone flame
#

we’re also supposed to get that concert film they recorded in mexico

lament pendant
#

I think they’ll likely do a normal theater tour in late 2026 with a proper North American leg followed by the rest of the world

granite monolith
#

and the idea they wouldnt do a dema tour (similar to era's but covering blurry to breach) is... idk, I dont buy it. they wont cap off this almost decade long saga with something like that

lavish geode
granite monolith
#

admittedly thats already most of their sets, and they obviously have to end with trees, but a sai-like where they make a medley out of the songs (maybe lets leave out the hype (kidding)) they didnt perform would make me sob

#

I just want leave the city into truce pleasepleasepleaseeeeee

summer mist
#

Morning believers and weed eaters (as in the crop, not the ‘leaf), anything new yet

granite monolith
#

just been chewing some dog (the "leaf", not the animal)

summer mist
granite monolith
#

theyve never once acknowledged that leave the city transitions into truce and its a hate crime

summer mist
granite monolith
#

can you imagine if, after the smoke clears in intentions, they start playing two (because theyre the only two left)

thin copper
#

there is smth about the Breach song snippets that i don't think i've ever seen someone talk about, or almost never
I've already mentioned it the first time i've heard them but Cottonwood literally sounds like Goner 2.0

summer mist
granite monolith
#

this time they bring jason statham on stage to do his verse (the man, not the cheetah, although a singing cheetah would also be awesome)

thin copper
granite monolith
red patrol
#

Regarding the live album, I'm curious on its status. I was at Columbus N3, and it really seemed like Tyler was frustrated with how it was going - most notably during Mulberry Street when he said the recordings of N1 and N2 didn't turn out good.

tawny wigeon
#

im sure we'll find out soon. they have lots of recordings to work with, and i imagine a lot can be fixed in the studio

regal otter
summer mist
#

Live recordings are so awesome

thin copper
tawny wigeon
#

im so hyped for clancy live album. cant wait to play nicodirtysoul 24/7

thin copper
tawny wigeon
red patrol
#

I think we're for sure getting the live album. I don't think they'd cancel it over less-than-ideal recordings of Mulberry Street. It was just noticeable at N3 that Tyler was being a perfectionist and trying to make the recordings as good as he could.

summer mist
#

We better get lane boy……..

hasty escarp
hasty escarp
blazing breach
#

attention, achtung :
dema alert system?

robot voices?

metal friend :
a pen?

edgy wolf
blazing breach
lament pendant
# hasty escarp I think they will wait to add breach songs live on it then release it as the upc...

Again the problem with this is that the existing Clancy tour shows are already 2 hours long. That’s 3lps worth of music easily. Considering they’ll very likely press this album onto vinyls, unless they remove some of the tracks from the Clancy tour to substitute the breach leg songs or just do a straight album of just the Clancy an breach songs live, I don’t see how this is viable without being absurdly expensive.

blazing breach
#

the half-drawn blinds casting lines on the floor as my metal friend flashes in time

you literally draw lines on the surface with a pen

main knoll
prime sparrow
#

I AM READY!

blazing breach
tawny wigeon
main knoll
tawny wigeon
past panther
summer mist
#

show

blazing breach
main knoll
blazing breach
summer mist
#

We need more photoshoot pics of Tyler and Josh this era, they look so cool. I’d love to see more pictures, like maybe how they did the digital remains for Clancy.

random pivot
#

do yall think we will get anything more this week or nun till single on monday

blazing breach
summer mist
weak mirage
lament pendant
#

I mean Friday is quite literally 3 days from Monday…it’s not that much a wait imo…

tawny wigeon
#

atp idm waiting, still confused about 18th tho, so random

summer mist
hollow cave
#

tomorrow is thursday

tawny wigeon
#

yeah so on friday, it'll be 3 days until monday.

weak mirage
summer mist
thin copper
#

aight i'm gonna look the days of the week in English on Google cuz im confused af
😭

blazing breach
lament pendant
#

Actually it’s CHEWSDAY and Thursday 🤓 (I’m sorry this is a joke)

thin copper
#

oh yeah Friday is the last day before the weekend
so the 15th

thin copper
#

why do y'all think it's gonna be the 15th?
oh Ashley talked about it apparently?

lament pendant
#

So far we really have zero things pointing towards the 15th for a drop besides maybe the Apple Music playlists being delayed a week. That’s why I’m highly doubtful of it. At least with Monday we have the 818 code in the livestream that was put there DELIBERATELY

prime sparrow
tawny wigeon
#

i dont really, it is the anniversary of when clancy tour started

summer mist
loud sluice
#

8553 -> 8 10 3 -> 8 13 -> august 13th

prime sparrow
#

I cant wait to edit my pfp in the rawfear limited disk theme next week!!!!

stiff fable
lament pendant
thin copper
#

why are they waiting so much omg

summer mist
loud sluice
thin copper
#

surprise double album 🙏

prime sparrow
loud sluice
regal otter
#

sextuple album trust

prime sparrow
thin copper
#

infinite album 🔥

summer mist
#

album in reverse

prime sparrow
vale wraith
prime sparrow
summer mist
vale wraith
#

tenet was a good movie

edgy wolf
random pivot
#

what happened

tawny wigeon
weak mirage
muted axle
#

tyler looks very snap back ish

tawny wigeon
lament pendant
muted axle
#

yes

edgy wolf
atomic blaze
#

I hope we continue to get a steady run of promos

blazing breach
#

better quality

lofty pike
#

THANK UU

cunning granite
#

josh, stop nibbling on ur sleeves, bad for teeth

plain cliff
#

highest quality

lament pendant
atomic blaze
#

Since the picture discs are public knowledge know I hope that means we get the boxsets announcements soon

midnight siren
#

soon

summer mist
tawny wigeon
#

marketing is being ramped up. trust

cunning granite
blazing breach
atomic blaze
dim island
#

Next week maybe

stone hornet
thin copper
#

omg finally new material

muted axle
lament pendant
#

lore nods come back

summer mist
thin copper
lofty pike
dim island
finite totem
#

Shy boy gotta speak up (I’m sorry)

lofty pike
#

Lowkey scaring me a bit. He looks so intense in the RAWFEAR disc pic too

quick crane
#

Do we think we getting something today?

blazing breach
thin copper
lofty pike
#

I’m not counting on it, after having Monday and Tuesday, buuuuuut it would be cool. I’m more hopeful always than pessimistic

buoyant bramble
blazing breach
#

if, for example, drum show release is scheduled for this friday or thursday, then we ll definitely get something today

i think itd be a website update

dim island
#

It’s been sitting in Apple Music for almost a week now
And it’s been on YouTube for 2
(Holy cooldown)

blazing breach
#

yup

summer mist
buoyant bramble
#

Erm, frig yeah

midnight siren
#

they look good

buoyant bramble
#

They look awesome, i actually thought the tyler one was official until you told me

red patrol
buoyant bramble
wary dome
buoyant bramble
#

Oh holy crap

wary dome
#

Just check latest post on their ig

lofty pike
tawny wigeon
#

still cant get over how good they look

buoyant bramble
#

That’s rad

stone hornet
#

Neither 😭

hollow cave
#

full pic

stone hornet
# lofty pike

Seems a silly decision to have these so exclusive and not on their website the sales on these would be crazy

sharp crow
#

Nah nah wait why is he doing that

stone flame
#

because he’s a choker

lofty pike
stone flame
hollow cave
atomic blaze
#

That’s making me think that it might be the free poster this time

blazing breach
edgy wolf
tawny wigeon
#

oh my god i actually jumped cause of song battles

lofty pike
shadow hedge
#

Any updates since yesterday?

tawny wigeon
#

not yet

atomic blaze
#

Just a new promo pic that’s all

prime sparrow
lofty pike
tawny wigeon
#

potentially, 40 minutes cause 12pm

prime sparrow
blazing breach
#

2h pace
a double single possibility?

loud sluice
plain cliff
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isnt that one of the photos from digital remains

lament pendant
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Yes

prime sparrow
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SUNDAY SHOULD COME FASTER!
I WILL WELCOME DRUM SHOW WITH RAWFEAR PFP!! CANT WAIT AT ALL!!!

lament pendant
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Nothings happening on Sunday?

visual creek
prime sparrow
blazing breach
tawny wigeon
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can u send the link

blazing breach
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isnt this fake?

idk just asking

visual creek
prime sparrow
visual creek
ebon bloom
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It’s fan made from an account on insta!

blazing breach
visual creek
atomic blaze
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That is incredibly fake. Also you should report listings for items that are not available yet

sterile glen
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yeah i mean idk how a random ebay seller from ebay would know what the inside looked like and not the actual record stores 😅 i would cancel my order if i were you

ebon bloom
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The account is tylersarmpits

limber hatch
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are we expecting anything today?

blazing breach
visual creek
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Canceled. Thanks chat for looking out ❤️

limber hatch
blazing breach
dim island
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We getting NOTIN

blazing breach
wary dome
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fEEF

stone flame
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there WAS listings for indie exclusive picture discs but they got canceled relatively early on and replaced with another vinyl color. so anybody who manages to “order” those picture discs above will get that vinyl variant

smoky tangle
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18 minutes

errant onyx
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I'm kinda expecting something, this is what, two days in a row we've gotten some kind of movement? And if the 8-18 thing is legit then they'd be wanting to ramp up activity to promote the single

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And if it's supposed to be earlier than that? Yeah they're gonna wanna ramp it up

blazing breach
stone flame
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but i agree that it’s incredibly shitty that ebay sellers (or anybody, really) can just already sell products that they don’t even have yet. they do that shit with concert tickets too. you’re just buying the Promise of that item and hoping the reseller actually manages to snag one

blazing breach
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i think drum show will be released on this thursday or friday,
and today we ll get another teaser
or a post about the livestream

keen bison
errant onyx
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Yeah, unfortunately that's just a thing sellers will do, especially international sellers

You see it all the time with Japanese products, like off of Premium Bandai or other retailers that aren't available in the US.

Most of them CAN be legit, though, I've done it a couple times with super Sentai/digimon products back when I was collecting those

Main moral of the story is make sure the seller you're purchasing from is at least very highly reviewed, especially positively reviewed

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A lot of the time, what'll happen is in the product description they'll list it as a pre-order, then lay out the shipping process

I.e. "the products will come to us first, then once we confirm the full amount is paid from each customer, we'll ship them out in the order we received them" or something along those lines

gentle rose
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Yeah this one is fake i remember this

blazing breach
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dr pic they used for this shit

tawny wigeon
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3 mins?

lofty pike
magic wadi
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WHATS YOUR. E-T-A?

errant onyx
blazing breach
lofty pike
bright island
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2

untold granite
feral monolith
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120 seconds

untold granite
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Its not happening 😔

dim island
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It’s joever

feral monolith
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Don’t mind me just gonna sleep for the next three

tawny wigeon
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yesterday they posted at 2, dont lose hope

lofty pike
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👀👀👀

errant onyx
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Yeah true, could still happen today

oak dome
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Pack it up

regal otter
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Hi what did I miss