Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[balmy smelt]

?

[wild raven]

are we overtaking and fighting the staff?!?!?

[toxic thicket]

pack it up fellas that's not a leak

[random pivot]

they found out a way to @ tyler so they told the mods and they came to fix it and now they are kicking people from here for doing what it’s done daily ig

[wild raven]

guys is the box thing a leak

[random pivot]

the announcement

[pastel shadow]

EVERYTHING RN IS A LEAK

[balmy smelt]

How are you sure it's today?

[blazing breach]

[sacred cobalt]

Pineapple

[blazing breach]

THE?

[random pivot]

i’m not sure

i just can deduce that the song is sooner than most people think so announcement gotta be soon too

[balmy smelt]

Ohh I see

[toxic thicket]

I get kicked out of every damn #theories while literally in the midst of theorizing it's frustrating they see one single phrase outside of leak and deport you back to your homeland

I truly think this week maybe build up through more blurryface cryptic shit and we get single 8/12? I like the sound of that but I hope it's "city walls" because of the visualizer even though all evidence proves otherwise and it'll be like "drum show"

[gentle rose]

I wonder tho what if they just shadow drop it out of nowhere

[random pivot]

yes it is indeed drum show

[blazing breach]

why THE announcement

[random pivot]

wym

[wild raven]

i understand staff wanting to keep the chats in their categories, but putting unbareable slowmode to stop us from typing is annoying... anyways i think considering the box leak thingies, we'll get city walls. It sounds more lore-ish

[blazing breach]

you said the announcement. not an announcement

[toxic thicket]

Yea prolly going to be drum show but I hope if 2nd single is something we get then I wanna see what those visualizers were about

[random pivot]

i mean they actually could ngl

[random pivot]

well what else do they gotta announce rn aside from the song 😭

[tawny wigeon]

damn

[blazing breach]

certain song.

[urban summit]

tyler releasing a mac and cheese recipe book

[tawny wigeon]

30 second slow mode 😭

[toxic thicket]

Im not saying I don't understand it I completely understand moderating the chat and keeping it to what the chats about but when it says "leak theories" and your telling people talking about "leak theories" to only chat when there is NEW leaks brother I have theories about all the 13 tracks we got snippets of why does everything have to be modded out to the maximum actually pathetic

[blazing breach]

slowleak theories

[random pivot]

yeah the single

[blazing breach]

alright today isn't the day folks

[random pivot]

wtf

[toxic thicket]

Well now that 30 seconds passed I think the tracks in between city walls and contract are gonna be in TB perspective since contract lore wise is supposed to be right after PS

[gentle rose]

I’m still curious about that too, what are the first 4 tracks about

[random pivot]

well honestly i don’t think the songs themselves take place at the same time as their music videos since the trench songs were written in the bandito camp but in the music video that’s not the only thing you see

[blazing breach]

city walls is about walls of the city
rawfear is about raw fear
drum show is about drums
garbage is about trash

[finite totem]

The dragon

[wild raven]

i believe this theory is too outrageous and disrespectful... i feel personally offended.. wow forgot i gotta wait 30 seconds to explain that im joking

[toxic thicket]

As a matter of fact pack it up fellas not leak related

[wild raven]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[toxic thicket]

genuinely so annoying they pop in to see the main outburst of everyone in chat and slowmode it because of the singular minute they spent in here if they read a bit further up or further down we were completely using this thread for it's intended purpose it's genuinely so frustrating

probably because I said regular theories were for plebs prolly struck a cord for someone and they banished our theories chat over here😭

[wild raven]

dunno but its really annoying not being able to discuss these things, considering its all leaks at this point anyways.. its like we can only speak when waiting for an announcement, and when nothing happens its like there's no point and we get slowmodded

[sharp hare]

chat is rebelling against the evil tyrannical twenty one pilots discord server moderators and their "slowmode" dark magic lol

[toxic thicket]

Essentially the gist yes, people having opinions other than the moderators???

❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌
not allowed I'll prolly be muted for speaking my mind about this situation which is the even sadder part

[smoky tangle]

bruh slow mode is good to be here, speak yo mind clearer in one text message, slow and healthy, not fast and chaotic

[toxic thicket]

I mean yes but 30 seconds is diabolical work

[sharp hare]

I mean I don't think you should be muted or anything, but like... maybe just chill out, cuz its just slow mode, its not like their censoring you. Just write one big message instead of little ones

[gentle rose]

hard with adhd

[smoky tangle]

When every message is basically ,,nothing new today, 30 mins, 1 hour, nothing happened, aw man maybe tomorrow, today"

aaand unneeded shitposting 😄

[wild raven]

then you can just... yk... edit your message and like add more to it afterwwards when you think of something new to say.... you understand?

[toxic thicket]

Brother it's happened so many times with me specifically in the last year of this discord it's genuinely frustrating I understand slowmode has a purpose I'm not at all complaining about the point of slowmode it's just the fact that no one at all can speak their mind if the word "leak" or "theory" isn't there

[gentle rose]

The problem isn't people sending too many messages, it's unrelated messages. Which the moderation team deals with... this feels awfully demeaning and unproductive...

[toxic thicket]

this

[gentle rose]

If we are unhappy with these channels, we raise it to a moderation team. If enough people do these channels can be moderated but I have never seem them properly moderated in my few months here

[gentle rose]

We raise it to the mods they don’t give a shit and say “read the rules”

[random pivot]

yup

[toxic thicket]

I just don't get shutting down everyone else's theories because one person is unrelated, I genuinely was using this for it's intended purpose I understand not all people do the same but it just makes it like not fun to talk about the theory any more when I gotta be careful whether or not what I said sounds on topic to the theory yk?? I completely understand moderation to a certain degree they usually do an amazing job but every time they shut down channels or slow it down it feels so degrading to the people using these channels for its intended purpose who been on this for days weeks😭🙏

[sharp hare]

Well idk dude, cuz I've never seen this happening lol. The mods pop in chat and ask people to stay on topic and that's that. If you start arguing with them or you keep talking off topic then yeah, you get muted. I don't know how it can be happening to you that often, I mean if that's true then there must be some reason for it. You aren't exactly on topic right now either... so if you got muted, that would be why, not because you're disagreeing with them. But I've never seen them muting people without a warning unless they were really disruptive. Which is kinda what you're doing? It's not that serious of an issue and you've been talking about it for twenty minutes, idk man. I agree with you kinda, ur just doing too much

[gentle rose]

Mmmods don’t hesitate, to maybe overdegrade us

Fun overcompensate pun

[random pivot]

this’ll be dumb af i know so sorry but like can someone explain to me and i’m being genuine why someone making a dumb comment or just having a short lived conversation that’s slightly off topic (even tho i disagree since it’s still all twenty one pilots its supposed to be about that) is a bad thing?

[toxic thicket]

Im not arguing I understand why they're doing what there doing bro no need to rub it in my face I'm jus saying not cool to ruin the channel for people using it correctly

[gentle rose]

Like how we’d be having a productive conversation that may or may not be on topic then one of them pops in and basically says “stfu move to another channel unless you wanna be muted”

[sharp hare]

Not rubbing it in ur face, I promise. Just saying likeeee you could get muted again if we keep talking about it, I'm just trying to help. I agree with you mostly tho 🤷‍♂️

[toxic thicket]

Quite literally this is my point

[random pivot]

yeah fr

[gentle rose]

Yeah I get what you’re saying dude. It’s the classic mod move I’ve seen it a thousand times

[toxic thicket]

Ohhh I see what your saying now I misread lol, but I mean if they won't understand what we're getting at I'll take one for the team this is just degrading for people who use the channel for what it is (I'm going to theory so I don't for get muted)

[sharp hare]

"may or may not be on topic" ok but that's the thing... if its not on topic, you can just have that same conversation anywhere else, cuz the channels are meant for specific topics and that's why they're asking you to move. Just go over to one of the general chats or something. I totally get that it's annoying to move, but that's just how the server works.

[gentle rose]

But like the thing that bugs me the most in this specific channel, they’d pop in here to say “stay on topic” but when there’s no leak what do you expect us to talk about, if there’s no leak then what does it matter what we talk about

[random pivot]

if i’m having it here why do i gotta move it elsewhere if it’s gonna be short lived anyways it’s not gonna harm anyone can someone genuinely explain to me why that is a bad thing

well rules are rules ig im just asking why

[main knoll]

I think their point is that if there’s no leaks then we just… don’t talk in this channel bc there’s no purpose for it until there are leaks 🤷‍♀️

[atomic blaze]

It’s leak theories tho lol

[random pivot]

yeah exactly there should be room for discussion

[restive juniper]

yes

[gentle rose]

But what’s the big deal if we do talk in this channel when there’s no leak it’s not like it matters. When there’s a leak, we talk about leaks, when there’s not, what does it matter what goes on in this channel

[atomic blaze]

Here’s my leak theory, if single 2 is as great as Mojib said this might be the one to get a radio airdate leak. Which is why I don’t think this week is the week.

[random pivot]

this is the week

[toxic thicket]

I mean yes I completely understand that without a doubt but mane I was talking about the snippets posted on Spotify which by definition are leaks😭🙏

[gentle rose]

Eh maybe. I’d welcome a leak with open arms at this point I just want confirmation from someone

[lament pendant]

Mmmm I at least think an announcement this week would make sense

[random pivot]

i’m siding with you trust me i believe u are in the right but no that’s not a leak the band gave it to you

[main knoll]

From my viewpoint it’s for organization and so people can follow along properly. If we’re talking about stuff that isn’t leaks here it could be confusing for people who are looking for leak info? Idk that’s just how I see it

[atomic blaze]

I wish altguy still kicked around. Did we have any other radio people talking? We knew the radio airdate for the contract before it premiered

[gentle rose]

I guess that makes sense

[toxic thicket]

Fair enough but regardless that being all we're working off of you can't say it's not leak theories especially since we don't have the song itself

[ebon bloom]

altguy GOAT

[main knoll]

Which snippets posted on Spotify?? The ones the band shared? Bc those are official and don’t need to be discussed here

[random pivot]

i mean yeah fair but since it is a way of conversations couldn’t they just ask

[sterile glen]

altguy doesn’t even like top at all its so funny everyone here loves him

[restive juniper]

yes exactly, and if its non leak stuff then other people would also be possibly interested in the convo but they wont see it because its in the leaks channel

[random pivot]

but why is that a bad thing if it’s gonna be short lived anyways please i’ve been asking

[blazing breach]

was the slowmode reduced

[restive juniper]

the main channel is supposed to be theories, and this thread is only temporary so that when there are leaks, people can talk about it here without spoiling it for others

[sharp hare]

I'm hoping for this week ofc, because the collectors box leak and the parking garage pic and the fact that Mark has been online? it all seems like something is going to happen soon. Not getting my hopes up, but I think it could be this week. They seem to be extremely careful about leaks this time, so its possible they're cracking down on everything and everyone to ensure that absolutley nothing leaks

[dim island]

Valid opinion

[atomic blaze]

Mods join in the discussion here all the time I find that hypocritical but anyway back to leak theories

[main knoll]

Because people who don’t want to see spoilers avoid this channel, so it’s possible they’d miss out on a regular non-leak convo if we have it here

[toxic thicket]

Lol okay? And how does one just know that before being exiled from talking my apologies for trying to be on topic but this is just plain degrading if someone is tryna theorize especially when they think it's a leak hows that a problem??
(Now I understand it isn't a leak but I didn't at first)

[restive juniper]

at the moment the convo was redirected most people were talking about mark and pings

[random pivot]

not to be rude but like if i’m talking with someone why do i need that person to step in im having the conversation rn with specific people

[wild raven]

but they miss out on so many conversations... they cant check every single chat for a convo they might be interested in

[toxic thicket]

Yes at the point in time when I asked staff to help end it(completely justified not arguing against that)😭🙏

[atomic blaze]

I can’t believe the merch leaks didn’t lead to anything yet

[random pivot]

this i completely understand

[blazing breach]

imagine if they aren't real

[random pivot]

yet

[gentle rose]

Yeah it’s weird

[atomic blaze]

I’d be devastated. I think it’s genius to split the merch into Clancy v TB

[sharp hare]

it would be so funny and random tbh "dark clancy" lmao

[main knoll]

sorry, I must’ve misunderstood the beginning of this convo so I’m not sure what you mean by being exiled? Usually people here are pretty kind about pointing out when stuff is public and you can talk about it freely in a different channel! I hope my message didn’t come off as degrading, I genuinely didn’t mean it that way and I’m just trying to offer some perspective

[wild raven]

dark clancy is dark magician and blue eyes white dragon is trash... its all yu gi oh at the end

[sharp hare]

Yknow I wonder if the new Clancy outfit with the clancy tape on his shoulders and the rope on his belt is actually this "dark" Clancy

[gentle rose]

Dark Clancy and Torchbearer need to be real right

[random pivot]

oh yeah the boxsets are real don’t worry about that

[toxic thicket]

Perfectly okay man I probably just read your message with a bit too much passion😭🙏 I do completely understand the moderation but I do at the time genuinely think I was using the channel for its intended purpose, now that I know it ain't a leak that's my apologies for real

[sharp hare]

Like instead of the red or yellow tape, symbolizing his fight for others, he now has only his own name there, maybe meaning he's consumed with self-interest?

[main knoll]

Sorry if I’m misreading but are you agreeing with me? /genq bc that’s my point pretty much hahaha. I check the leak channels semi-often and when I see there’s new messages I expect they’re about leaks, but a lot of the time it’s theories that I would’ve missed out on otherwise if I wasn’t checking (like if I was someone purposefully avoiding the leaks channels). If that makes sense

[sharp hare]

I think they're saying it doesn't matter if they miss this convo, because there's so many chats they can't see every convo anyway

[random pivot]

yeah

[main knoll]

Ohhhhhh this convo specifically? My bad okay

[sharp hare]

Not saying I agree, just clarifying their point I think

[random pivot]

i just really don’t think it’s that bad it harms anyone

[wild raven]

i agree to a point. I see what you mean with "people dont go here so they could miss a convo" but i think its a stupid argument, because of the amount of chats there are, people cant check all of them constantly for a potential convo they are interested in. I've spoken about theories with people in the general chat too, is that bad because most people that read theories dont go in general?

[sharp hare]

Also not saying I don't agree... im just here

[wild raven]

im just saying that you know like actual good non leaky theories being said here also get forwarded to theories most times, from what i've seen. So talking about a non leak theory for a bit cant do that much harm in my opinion. But i get what you mean

[main knoll]

I don’t think any of this is “bad” I think the mods are more strict with theories channels bc people come here specifically to theorize. You can talk about whatever you want in general channels, including theories. I get your point about checking multiple areas and missing stuff though

[gentle rose]

1:00 is in one minute guys

Announcement time? Maybe?

Yeah yeah reach I get the point

[toxic thicket]

My bad😭

[random pivot]

well if they dont announce it today then the song is a shadowdrop

[gentle rose]

Agreed

[wild raven]

ok i agree with you completely here i hope we're good i think im a bit mad and it seems like im arguing with you but im not i promise ❤️

[wild raven]

when is the last time they shadowdropped something?

[gentle rose]

Saturday probably

[main knoll]

It’s okay!! Not a bad thing that we’re passionate. Thanks for being patient when I ask a million clarifying questions to make sure I’m understand you correctly lol

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 17!

[wild raven]

dont worry my autism appriciates you asking so many questions 😄

[wild raven]

.. i think i asked wrong.. What is the last thing they shadowdropped?

[gentle rose]

I just said, Saturday

[main knoll]

Kinton means the song, not the day, hahaha

[tawny wigeon]

bruh

[wild raven]

............. ok yeah im gonna fuck off now

[random pivot]

saturday

which was also on a tuesday 😉

[gentle rose]

Was about to say this too, getting hopeful

[toxic thicket]

but on tuesurday tuesurday tuesurday, we drop the 2nd single

[loud sluice]

my theory: tyler creates long gaps between singles to test how crazy and angry we get when there’s no announcement at all

[blazing breach]

[random pivot]

lowkey breach their prettiest cover art

[toxic thicket]

well your undoubtedly correct about that one,
my theory: is that they'd definitely throw another thing cryptic at us blurryface wise before shadow dropping in my opinion (unless of course the song in question isnt spaced in between PS and Contract and is in TB perspective)

[wild raven]

if they drag the PS fight for 3 whole music videos and songs im going to be extremely disappointed...

[sharp hare]

I honestly think that everyone here is making really good points and I think its great that everyone is so passionate about this community. Ultimately, the mods run the server and they've figured out what works best throughout the many years that this server has been active, so even though discussion is warranted, I think they're trying their best to do what makes the most sense in order to keep things organized and moving smoothly. I'd argue that the organization of the channels is what makes chatting here so fluid and fun. Even when it leads to some inconveniences like having to move channels occasionally. Nobody is really in the wrong here, and I don't think you should blindly trust authority, but this is a fan server for a cool band, and the mods are also just fans doing what they think is right for everyone. and it's worked pretty well for a pretty long time.

Let's all just try to get along and talk about Twenty One Pilots

[toxic thicket]

Unironically can see it happening with "the contract" being rather far on the tracklist for it being a continuation

[random pivot]

from the look of the pic i doubt drum show will be a lore vid

[toxic thicket]

Are we sure that was "drum shows" video?

[random pivot]

i mean… what else would it be

we know drum show has to be single two so what else would they tease

[toxic thicket]

I mean there's drums in every song my guy I'm sure there's other videos that has josh incorporated 😭

[random pivot]

not my point 😭

[toxic thicket]

I mean I see your point tho but we arent sure that's single 2

[gentle rose]

We kind of are with the Isrc numbers

[toxic thicket]

The picture on Tyler's story?

[random pivot]

we basically know if there’s a second single it is drum
show because of the irsc code but yeah that pic could not be from single two but idk why he would do that

[toxic thicket]

We talking about the picture not song my guy

[glacial crane]

I'm gonna touch grass someone ping me if anything at all happens 🫡

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s probably drum show

[toxic thicket]

I mean I wouldn't see why they wouldn't tease single 2 that way but if it's really single 2 you'd think they would've filmed the video much earlier thats the only reason why I think it might be a album track rather than single

[blazing breach]

my money is talking

[random pivot]

they did that pic is 100% not from the same day on which they posted the pic

[gentle rose]

Well they probably did film it earlier in June or July, I can just as easily post a picture from 3 years ago on my story now

[toxic thicket]

Also wouldn't doubt that at all there's just nothing definitive saying so who knows if Tyler jus flicked a photo and posted it right there or if the photo is months or weeks old I do find it odd tho

[gentle rose]

Most likely from a month ago or smth to tease the second single

[toxic thicket]

I definitely wouldn't doubt that but I also don't know cuz he posted that picture around the time we got an announcement for the video casting call🤷 that's my only logic saying other wise I do think the photos old

[atomic blaze]

I think it’s recent because some fans made the questionable choice to go to the parking garage and took the tape

[toxic thicket]

oh??

[tawny wigeon]

i don’t think the garage photo is from the video they’re filming in LA

[toxic thicket]

Me neither but you never know🤷

[random pivot]

they ain’t for the same video

[tawny wigeon]

eh

[random pivot]

also they recorded the video for next semester and literally the next week we had the song

[atomic blaze]

It’s not. the parking garage is in Ohio.

[toxic thicket]

Totally forgot about that thank you😭🙏

[atomic blaze]

They are crazy if they filmed a MV over the weekend for single 2 just to hop on over to LA for MV 3 filming

[toxic thicket]

Possible reason for mark being on? Bro editing the garage video?😭

[random pivot]

andrew donoho did next semester actually (nico and the niners hds heathens etc director)

[toxic thicket]

I know that I'm saying for garage video😭😭😭😭

Wrong person pinged I apologize

[toxic thicket]

Yeah I know that I'm saying what if the whole reason mark was on earlier today was to mess around with some videos like the garage one?

[random pivot]

well they are crazy

[random pivot]

oh bet bet

[toxic thicket]

Well I'm pretty sure Midwest indigo and snap back were back to back days or in the same week all be it they probably didn't travel from Ohio to LA but they still do pretty wild shit with there schedules around videos😭

[atomic blaze]

I meant in regards to this 40+ day wait lol. waiting this long to start on MV 2.

[toxic thicket]

Oh no seriously that's what I was getting at, I would think if a single 2 is the plan it would be done a month earlier

[edgy wolf]

Are you still hopeful for today?

[atomic blaze]

Stolenpotential is on vacation which means it’s happening this week

[edgy wolf]

I mean, it's not over til 5, but if the clock hits 2 and it's still dead...

[atomic blaze]

I only count till 1400 and move on

[edgy wolf]

They have to know how desperate we are. Why do this to us

[lament pendant]

Tomorrow

[upbeat willow]

3 minutes

[edgy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/super-fail-spongebob-patrick-jellyfishing-jellyfish-gif-15388233843051669762

[gentle rose]

Ugh, nothing

[edgy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-chat-twenty-one-pilots-21pilots-joshler-navigating-gif-305482855285358175

[blazing breach]

it's tomorrow

[magic fjord]

that's a big textwall

[smoky tangle]

Are these allowed?

[random pivot]

well if it’s not today then it is a surprise drop

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 44!

[random pivot]

https://x.com/lavishluvflyer/status/1952215259483386101?s=46 ?

The Jøsh Nøticed Tørchbearer (@lavishluvflyer)

To clear things up
I visited the TIMH location last month and a shop owner in Chinatown told me that they were there at the gate dancing around and had cameras and a drum set he told me that they were there the day before I went

Idk if it's true or not as there might have-

X · Aug 4, 2025, 3:49 AM

[tawny wigeon]

hmm

would be awesome if they went back there tbh

[neat swift]

Wow they really are going back to the blurryface era with this one

[odd schooner]

It would be cool full circle moment

[edgy wolf]

Imagine them going back to the road where they filmed Heavydirtysoul.

[dim island]

“Do you still believe humans are good” ahh question😭🙏

I hope someone gets that reference

[gentle rose]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpsuit-twenty-one-pilots-top-burning-gif-12149013

[dire depot]

It would be sick for them to go through all the dema album era music video sets for a Breach mv

[blazing breach]

wait wait wait.

they returned ink on tyler's neck and hands, the red socks.. only red beanie remains

[dire depot]

The cycle is about to repeat

[blazing breach]

no
they're gonna mirroring blurryface era

[dire depot]

no

The cycle is about to repeat

[jolly oyster]

How crazy are we

[blazing breach]

clancy claimed things that tied to blurryface

this either means that he's gonna become it
or literally breach the cycle by weakening it

don't forget
story-wise the cycle only worked because nico always brought clancy back to the city

[odd schooner]

What if for a music video it shows Clancy reliving different moments in his head.

[gentle rose]

is breach just a retelling of old stories i pray not

[tawny wigeon]

omg imagine if the final mv has a montage of all old significant moments through every era

if they went back to the hds road i would cry

[odd schooner]

I would sob 😭

[tawny wigeon]

it would be insane

i feel like that could be rlly cool, revisiting clancy’s memories but it needs to be done in a clever way

i also think going back to the hds road would be iconic 🙏

[neat swift]

Ok wait

The Contract - June 12
2nd Single - August 12
Album - September 12

The number 12 seems important

[tawny wigeon]

ya

[feral monolith]

Mark can you give me $1320.95 and a band update😔

[dire depot]

Why'd they skip July though 😢

[rapid nest]

July Phobia

they hate July

[random pivot]

wait so like

[gentle rose]

Cause July 12 is a Saturday?

[random pivot]

if this is not the only case and they recorded more stuff in places from the blurryface era, could the fire from the city walls teaser actually be the heavydirtysoul car?

[gentle rose]

That’d honestly make so much sense cause they’re in LA for the video in the next few days right, they could get there earlier and record another video in the meantime

[neat swift]

Wait that makes so much sense

[marble wasp]

:((((

[balmy smelt]

have they ever done anything at 5?

[gentle rose]

They used to update dmaorg at stupid times but nothing band related

[blazing breach]

tyler posted a photo at 9:13 pm est on august1

[tawny wigeon]

it’s over for today guys but i think tomorrow or the 12th are our next key dates

[odd schooner]

The 12th makes the nose sense to me at the moment

[ebon bloom]

🧐

[atomic blaze]

We ain’t getting shit till the 12 of Sept lmaoooo

[gentle rose]

Probably mark taking a vacation while TOP film videos with other directors

[stone flame]

i’m glad mark’s getting some time off

[lament pendant]

It’s just mark, they don’t need mark to drop singles or record mv’s. He deserves some rest.

[glacial crane]

i assume mark did that video from friday so maybe it means they finished stuff up for single 2? shit if i know 😭

[stone flame]

and even if we don’t get anything before september 12, we’re still getting an album 🥲

[lament pendant]

Well we don’t know if that video was even for the single tbh

[tawny wigeon]

it’s all lore. marks flight is lore. he’s been seized by nico, we can’t trust him

[stone flame]

i’m sure they’ll end up tweeting about a livestream if they’re doing that again

[tawny wigeon]

he’s not actually going to florida… it’s all a distraction

no but in all seriousness this could be a positive thing. if he’s on vacation maybe all his work is done? the next smaller MVs are shot, the social media posts are scheduled…

[gentle rose]

Maybe?

[tawny wigeon]

maybe indeed

[ebon bloom]

True, they can just schedule posts and have it all be done

[lament pendant]

Perhaps the post on Friday was them telling us “We’ve got the last of the stuff we needed to film”

[sterile glen]

that’s why he was online today he was busy scheduling every post for the next thirty something days

[lament pendant]

At least for marks side

[tawny wigeon]

if we analyse his instagram story, we can clearly see he is hinting towards the metaphorical state of mind of clancy

[gentle rose]

Let’s hope so

[lament pendant]

Ah yes, Clancy has gone full Florida man…

[tawny wigeon]

i think everything is about to fall into place

[lament pendant]

I have a good feeling about tomorrow or Thursday

[tawny wigeon]

5th or the 12th, trust

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[random pivot]

yall too dramatic the music video for single 2 is already finished

[gentle rose]

If it’s not the 5th it’s the 12th for sure

[random pivot]

yup

[blazing breach]

9:09 is this lore?

-# /jk

honestly i wouldn't be surprised if tyler post something at 9:09 pm est

[eternal badger]

this is actually insane

[blazing breach]

really. 21 minutes, 9:09
AND IT'S LITERALLY RELATED TO AN AIRPORT AND PILOTS

miami, fl

fl

FAIRLY LOCAL

6:30

drum show is the 3rd song on breach

6 is upsidedown 9

6 + 3 = 9 !!!!!!

[white anchor]

NEW DIRECTORS YES PLEASE

[velvet lark]

given he's starting his vacay now, any mvs (like the parking garage shoot) were probably done by him, but the LA shoot is either Andrew or Jansen (probably Jansen) and anything after will be either or or someone else. honestly, i'd love to see other directors take on the Trench world or with Tyler's visions

[stone flame]

let josh direct a video again

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 32!

[neat swift]

Nico agrees

[last cove]

pretty sure the LA shoot said it was Jensen and the same production company as Paladin Strait (hopefully they have a bit more time to polish the vfx this time),
however i'm still holding out hope for another andrew donoho lore video

[velvet lark]

oh, didn't know that! and agree! depending on which song it is and when they plan on releasing it, hopefully they have more time to polish it up. and yes! I'd love to see Andrew return for a lore video, I'm nostolgic for that style from Jumpsuit/NATN/Levitate

[last cove]

yeah for sure!
took me a sec to find it, but here's the details

[white anchor]

new talent is something i’ve wanted for a min now tbh. Mark is great but id rather see different directors bring their own flare to each track instead of spreading one person thin across several.

like, Lavish was a low budget video with an amazing concept to it that worked. and i can only imagine bringing new people to the table would only make each video have the same level of creativity.

[last cove]

The contract was someone new right? and it turned out amazing

[velvet lark]

agreed! if they are planning on doing all mvs again (which I think is likely given Tyler's reasoning for it for Clancy) then I hope they branch out and employ different people and teams for each mv

[white anchor]

exactly. i also think it’ll take a weight off of tyler’s shoulders as well. since im pretty sure he was there with mark fine tuning stuff in post for a lot of the videos.

allowing other directors and their teams to collaborate with them and do everything “in house”, and letting tyler just give slight tweaks seems more efficient to me.

[fast obsidian]

While we wait for them to do something, I'll leave you with a song that sounds like them.

https://open.spotify.com/track/6ai64NwYUV4CqzydnpVJ0c?si=0nK7oKmsRB6_T0Hr7D755w

[velvet lark]

agreed, i guess that would just depend on if Tyler could let himself do that. I totally understand that need for control and oversight on your art, not out of mistrust, but out of a need to make sure it's done right bc of how important the story, lore, and message are

[glacial crane]

yk itd make alot of sense for josh to direct the drum show vid

[jolly oyster]

Employ local college kids in film for a summer project/portfolio piece. Especially for the lower budget music videos

[white anchor]

i think tyler came up with a lot of treatments and ideas for the Clancy MVs himself (iirc). so, it would rlly just be tyler’s ideas in collaboration with a director that can bring them to life in the best way they can.

[granite monolith]

Hi chat any breach

[gentle rose]

As usual no

[blazing breach]

tomorrow for sure

[granite monolith]

Frick

[blazing breach]

also how long ago did we check the code on their website?

[atomic blaze]

They got rid of the node system or got better at hiding it

[blazing breach]

uhmm

[patent geyser]

During RAB/Vessel Era there was a portion of the live show that they would have a drum battle to an electronic backing track

I hope this is what they'll do live

[blazing breach]

back to back?

[patent geyser]

They did a whole routine

It was very band kid and it was awesome

[patent geyser]

I looked it up they also did for ERS during Tour De Columbus

back to back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvKiW5-6Gpg

[eternal badger]

Someone remind tyler hes releasing an album

[patent geyser]

But I specifically want Drum Show leading into drum battle Anathema

[errant onyx]

that part was so cool to watch, seeing where they came from. really inspiring for me

[patent geyser]

100%

[digital gyro]

Just drop the fucking music video Tyler

[errant onyx]

was it drum show that had the Korea demo behind it or was it a different track? Now that I'm thinking about it it could've been downstairs maybe

[patent geyser]

REAL

[digital gyro]

We know you have one ready

[digital gyro]

It was drum show

[errant onyx]

I personally think the photo we got WAS the shoot for this next single

[errant onyx]

AH OK good to know I'm not going crazy

[last cove]

that was downstairs was it not?

[patent geyser]

Wait I'm listening

Downstairs

It's Downstairs that has the Korea demo

[digital gyro]

Oh wait

Myf

Drum show has the weird wowiwiwowoeowow sound

[patent geyser]

Yep

[rapid nest]

wowwiwiwiwowowow

[patent geyser]

Drumshow is the wowowowowo bit and then Downstairs has the beginning of korea demo just more harsh

[sacred apex]

Anything

[patent geyser]

Grasping at straws, kicking dirt, listening to other artists.

[errant onyx]

oh my god I just ifnihsed the first unit of my algebra course in college let's go

now back to being braindead and hoping in vain for anything new

[dim island]

You came back at the perfect time

[finite totem]

Same, the wait has made me fall in love with Imagine Dragons

[robust bone]

still nothing huh?

its been almost two months since the contract, and just over a month away from breach. what the heck is happening? (or should I say, not happening because its so quiet?)

[magic fjord]

it'll happen this week

[robust bone]

Its this week until next week comes

https://tenor.com/view/and-the-next-day-gif-26740889

Literally this

[magic fjord]

the boxsets wouldn't have leaked and tyler wouldn't have posted that story if nothing was gonna happen

[eternal badger]

nah its actually insane

they didnt post or do anything in july

we're getting something tomorrow or thursday

[marble wasp]

r u delulu

or am i too pessimistic

[magic fjord]

this

[marble wasp]

i dont trust this little Tyler Joseph anymore i have trust issues hes having fun watching us go insane

https://tenor.com/view/tylerjoseph-tyler-joseph-twentyonepilots-top-gif-4949500

[wary dome]

okay.. if nothing happens this week I'll start committing crimes, the first crime will be unfollowing Tyler on Instagram

[blazing breach]

something for today right

august5 tuesday let's go

[granite monolith]

august 5th for the 5 main characters clancy, torch bearer, ned, that one fuckass vulture, and tom

[tawny wigeon]

maybe today.

[lofty lava]

What did Clifford ever do to you 😭

[random pivot]

tom? 😭

[white anchor]

august 12th save me august 12th

[granite monolith]

yeah, you dont remember? tom, the guy that lead the TorchSniffer faction to the gates of dema and proclaimed "I am tom, and I will defeat nico!"

[tawny wigeon]

they hit 9million followers on instagram, something has to be coming 🔥

[gentle rose]

Interesting

[random pivot]

ooooohhh yeah yeah how could i forget tom hes the actual hero

[granite monolith]

TomBearer

[blazing breach]

when will they unpin the contract....

[balmy smelt]

All 9 million people get tracked down and sent to dema

Each million gets assigned to a district.

[shadow mirage]

• Wake up
• Pick up the phone
• Open twitter
• “Sabrina Carpenter arrests Josh Dun during “Juno” at Lollapalooza”
• Turn off phone
• Go back to sleep

[nova cosmos]

Guys I got the full album early, they shipped my vinyl. Will rip and leak in about a month

[shadow mirage]

I already got my CD, but it says “unleakable until September 12th”

[nova cosmos]

No but fr, I can send proof

But not right now because my camera isn't working

[gentle rose]

When will your camera work

[nova cosmos]

I think they'll be shipping the replacement part to me sometime in September, either that or someone can send me their phone so I can take a photo.

Only accepting Samsung galaxy s25 ultra tho because any other device can't capture the cover properly

Im sure you understand

[gentle rose]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You seriously expect someone to send them your phone to get proof of an album shipping early

Nice try scammer

[balmy smelt]

I think he's joking

[gentle rose]

Well, made me laugh for sure at the phone bit

[nova cosmos]

Yes, also send me bitcoin

[brittle depot]

clonki

[nova cosmos]

Also buy BREACHcoin

[balmy smelt]

Spin it, tell me how it sounds. /j

[toxic thicket]

after breach era we're getting tøp meme coin confirmed? buy nedcoin?

but seriously do y'all still think this week's a possibility if not today? I been sticking with my August 12th take

[gentle rose]

If it’s not today it’s definitely the 12th

[toxic thicket]

fair enough, you'd think this 2nd single would be teased in a similar fashion of contract with minor leaks of stems? Or you think they jus throw it out in a random day?🥲🤷

[gentle rose]

My guess is they shadow drop it today, or maybe later this week they announce it for the 12th

[toxic thicket]

I'll ride that wave

[gentle rose]

Yeah if it’s not today it’s definitely the 12th

[wary dome]

What if the only thing they announce today is that the album is delayed?

[gentle rose]

Maybe it already was. When it was announced and we saw the shipping date was September 5, now they announced it for the 12th so maybe they delayed it behind the scenes before officially announcing the date

[magic fjord]

it already was, and theyre not just gonna announce a new delay without giving us something else first, i genuinely can't see that happening

[gentle rose]

12th of august believer

[blazing breach]

i like that it's not even 10 am est yet and you're already being pessimistic

[tawny wigeon]

fr we gotta chill

[gentle rose]

i just wanna know its release date and then im happy, anyway glad were getting less singles in the long run, its a month now

[dim island]

If we get nothing today I may actually go insane

[blazing breach]

let's wait at least until 12 pm est

if not today then on august 7 12 or 14

the very fact mark is going on vacation makes it clear that he has finished working on mvs

most likely the long-awaited posts have already been scheduled

[tawny wigeon]

i think if nothing on august 12, maybe they are actually doing no more singles..

[hollow agate]

on one hand, i love the idea of having only one single and 12 new songs to listen to on release day. the mystery surrounding breach and getting to experience it as a full package is exciting. on the other hand,, i wish that's something we could have known from the start so we didn't have to spend so much time waiting for nothing. still hoping for something this month though

[naive hemlock]

where did this info come from

[naive hemlock]

well i feel like singles give really important context to an album before the first listen and we’re kind of missing that right now

[sterile glen]

his story on instagram

[naive hemlock]

not there anymore do you have a screenshot or photo or anything

[blazing breach]

from his instagram story

[hollow agate]

that's also true, and i enjoy being spoiled with singles before an album comes out haha i'm just saying i'm not against it, moreso just,,, not knowing what to expect

[naive hemlock]

oh damn

that’s actually kind of confusing but i really doubt all mvs are done

it could be possible that he’s not editing the ones that are left… (lore mvs)

[blazing breach]

if so we probably won't get anymore mvs

[naive hemlock]

bruh did they increase the cooldown for this channel again

[gentle rose]

I guess

[blazing breach]

but it isn't the case
i'm pretty sure

[naive hemlock]

this cooldownflation is getting out of hand

[hollow agate]

the things i would do to get even a glimpse as to whats going on behind the scenes rn

[naive hemlock]

im about to find mark in miami and interrogate him

[blazing breach]

generally following tyler's activity on his social media the band's account also posted something later

[sacred cobalt]

I can give some exclusive info on whats going on behind the scenes:
-cameras
-Click track
-outfits
-people
-music

[blazing breach]

it seems to me that they're avoiding mondays since june 27

tyler posted a story in instagram on last friday
excluding weekends and yesterday something should happen today

3 days have passed since august 1 and drum show is the 3rd song on breach

[tepid yacht]

The fact it’s come to this 😂

[blazing breach]

promise you'll buy him redbulls

[tepid yacht]

Fuck I should have said that

[blazing breach]

yup

[tepid yacht]

I’m hoping he posts it today so I can pretend he listened to me 😭

[blazing breach]

this is interesting because blurryface forced them to release stressed out on april 27 monday

and he leaked the album on may 9 saturday
august 9 is saturday too

[blazing marsh]

my andmate

nothing but contract and the album are both dropping/dropped on 12s so yeah

[rapid nest]

nothing ever happens

[dim island]

That stays true today

[visual creek]

Two more hours and then I think we can call it for today.

[nova bough]

Nothing ever happens😭

[finite totem]

September 5th: the ultimate day?

[nova bough]

Maybe aug 12th?

[magic fjord]

good lord its 10am

[finite totem]

Too early

[magic fjord]

calm. theres plenty of time in the day and they do things whenever

[nova bough]

For me it's aug 5 , 4 PM

[dim island]

Idk after long silence it’d make sense to come back pretty early in the day

[magic fjord]

youre not in the same timezone as them

[nova bough]

(They used to anounce things this time)

[rapid nest]

we are going from ohio time

[stark pebble]

they have no patterns lmao

[nova bough]

I know just sayin that many times they posted this time

[rapid nest]

they are random as shit yeah

[stark pebble]

we cant really predict when theyll do something

[rapid nest]

10am thing came from bfx first no?

[atomic blaze]

It ain’t over till 1400 we’ve gone over this gang

Later if BF shows up

[stark pebble]

also since when was the slowmode 15 seconds

[magic fjord]

theres no reason to believe this, they posted the tracklist at 2pm their time and that was after a decently long period of silence

[dim island]

But Tyler slid a day before at 10:38a

[visual creek]

About 2-4 more hours left in today. Hold out hope!

[magic fjord]

okay, tyler also posted his last story at like 9pm

[dim island]

Facts

[magic fjord]

my point is its too early to call it a day and say "not today guys pack it up"

[rapid nest]

it can be literally any time

[dim island]

It could be the next minutes but we don’t know

[rapid nest]

like a time they never used before too

[dim island]

If we don’t hear something today tho I don’t think it’s crazy to call it wraps for the week?

[magic fjord]

it is

[stark pebble]

it's tuesday

[dim island]

In terms of a new song

[nova bough]

Btw
Arent they filming rn?

[rapid nest]

no, Thursday / Wednesday also important

friday maybe too

[magic fjord]

yes but it doesnt rule anything out

[nova bough]

I know, just asking

[dim island]

We are spiraling ngl

[rapid nest]

they are filming some lore mv rn

[red patrol]

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, 10am is just a common time that things happen. Iirc, the My Blood MV came out at 10am.

[rapid nest]

ooh interesting lol

[dim island]

10am applies beyond the boys as well, lots of companies market things between 10-1 a lot

[tawny wigeon]

they like wednesdays and thursdays at 1pm-2pm recently

[lament pendant]

They have a history of 10AM but still. They posted a story at 9:13PM EST so…not that they’re gonna post an announcement that late but

[tawny wigeon]

i dont think it'll be today and honestly not even this week

august 12th is a good date i think

[lament pendant]

Mmmmm I think an announcement is all I personally think of this week just to be on the cautious side but

[magic fjord]

i disagree, i just dont see the point of tyler posting that story then nothing happening for 2 weeks

[red patrol]

10am-2pm EST (7am-11am PST) is the golden zone. Not too early for PST, but before/around lunch time to allow time to generate buzz in EST.

[atomic blaze]

10/16 large announcements and drops have been after 12pm

[magic fjord]

also the boxsets, i feel like they wouldn't be testing it that early

[blazing breach]

^
the band made a tweet at 2 pm est last time

there's still time for today

[tawny wigeon]

there is so much pointing towards an announcement soon

[magic fjord]

i think this week is the week

[tawny wigeon]

i rlly hope so

[magic fjord]

its been nearly 2 weeks since the boxsets showed up

[blazing breach]

because of the leak tho

[red patrol]

It is genuinely surprising to me that the merch store is restocking, but we didn't hear anything yesterday.

[lament pendant]

Announcement this week release next week “next single…next week”

[atomic blaze]

I think next week myself for actual music but their asses need to post something off the band socials

[blazing breach]

maybe they've added something in the website code?

[red patrol]

Wrong music video. The video of Tyler playing guitar to My Blood was posted late at night, due to a leak. They had a scheduled release at 10AM for the official My Blood MV.

[blazing breach]

aah i've mixed up am and pm again. 24h time is better

[red patrol]

The original My Blood video was August 27, 2018, sometime late at night (EST - I remember coming home from a school event). The new My Blood video dropped Oct 5, 2018 at 10AM EST.

[blazing breach]

yyup

[red patrol]

I don't have time for it now, but I'd like to make a spreadsheet of the various release dates and times. It would be interesting to see if any patterns show up. Regardless, based on vibes, 9am-2pm EST is the sweet spot, with 10am and 1pm seeming like it appears a lot.

[bitter citrus]

I like your style

[blazing breach]

that's a wonderful idea honestly

[zealous walrus]

Why have I never thought of this

[tawny wigeon]

dont do that 😭

[ebon bloom]

Maybe if they win the VMA for Best Rock for The Contract they’ll announce the single then right right

https://tenor.com/view/right-natalie-portman-star-wars-rd-btc-gif-24051918

[sterile glen]

if they wait until september 7th then don’t even release another single lol

also i feel like the emptiness machine has that win locked down already

[oak dome]

be back october 10th

[tepid yacht]

If we band together he can’t ignore all of us 😂

[naive hemlock]

how is that from this year

[sterile glen]

it released second half of 24 so it probably didn’t qualify last year

[lofty pike]

SOBBING

[lofty pike]

Bet

[gritty yoke]

2 min bet

ive never said this i just wanna be in on the longing

[lofty pike]

I’ve lost that feeling of anticipation I had every morning waiting for something

Jk I feel anxious suddenly 1 MIN???

[tepid yacht]

Na same, n it’s such a shame

[neat swift]

Nothing will happen

[marble wasp]

nothing ever happens

[lofty pike]

STUPID SONG BATTLES NOTIFICATION

[neat swift]

I love your pfp

[dim island]

Do you still believe they’ll post today?

[marble wasp]

no

[blazing breach]

at noon or 2 pm
then it's over

[cunning granite]

tell him quinn ewers is going to carve up his favorite defense come august 30th if he doesn't speak up

[blazing breach]

i've a feeling they'll post today due to recent tyler's activity

[tepid yacht]

As in his story from days ago? Don’t think that means today is anything special

[pastel shadow]

and mark's

[jolly oyster]

Guys, his story was our content for August. They wanted to get it out on the first so they didn’t have to worry about the rest of the month

[naive hemlock]

do you actually believe this

[tepid yacht]

yeah and September 12th the countdowns gonna reset and that’s our content for September

[blazing breach]

let me suggest the following pattern (eastern time) :

tyler posted breach tracklist on july 15, tuesday, at 10:38 am >

on july 16, wednesday, the band went live on instagram at 10:00 am and posted the teaser of breach at 2:00 pm >

on august 1, friday, tyler posted a story on instagram at 9:13 pm

am > am, pm > (july 15, 16)
pm > pm, am? (august 1, ?, ?)

for example an announcement at 12-1-2 pm and release in the morning

[toxic moss]

...

[atomic blaze]

With all the love in the world Tyler scratched on notebook paper and took a picture of his boyfriend and that’s been our last promos for a month. I think we’re beyond time patterns. Next post? He’s gonna take a weird zoom in of his lunch or something and tell us to buy more album variants

[stark pebble]

and we'll all buy them

[dim island]

Craziest part is they have set days they will post things and we have no idea what those days are

[eternal badger]

i doubt theres a pattern, its just single/album announcements are just more likely on tuesday/thursdays because of how the industry works

[blazing breach]

i meant the switching between am & pm

they already did that when teased the contract

[idle panther]

life been busy

anyone have a tldr of recent updates?

[gritty yoke]

yes! Nothing happened

Hope that helps!

[idle panther]

lmao ty

[gentle rose]

5 minutes until drum show?

[urban summit]

pleaseee 🙏🏼 praying to the dema and trench gods

[gentle rose]

Fr

[dim island]

5 minutes and we get a whole bunch of

[urban summit]

(nothing)

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 11!

[gentle rose]

3 minutes?

Look if not noon there’s still 1 and 2 PM

but please let it be noon

[marble wasp]

Nothing ever happens

[gentle rose]

I’m tired of this bs

[wary dome]

Contract was on twitter at 12:01 we still have minute

[dim island]

We just gotta let it go atp

[gentle rose]

I hate this fucking band

[urban summit]

also if mark is on break until tour then all the posts are scheduled until then 👀

[dim island]

Presumably

[marble wasp]

same

[vagrant rapids]

All my excitement for this album rollout has turned into frustration 😂

[gentle rose]

Honestly me too

When Breach was announced I thought the rollout would be the best TOP have ever done but it’s all bullshit they’re not doing anything

[normal elk]

the 2 things they have done have been sick tho
Being contract promo/release and the tracklist reveal was cool

[hollow agate]

i hate feeling so negative about it but i cant help it 😭 i just want them to do something

[tepid yacht]

They shouldn’t have released the contract so soon if this silence was planned

[wary dome]

I’m okay if they didn’t release second song but they can tell us they didnt release it at least

[marble wasp]

can we laugh at this meme i totally didnt steal instead?

[hollow agate]

the contract set our expectations so high

[cunning granite]

the great blueballing of 2025

[sterile glen]

AND BLUE MEANS DEFEAT holy shit it’s all connected🤯

[cunning granite]

[vagrant rapids]

This is such a wild rollout. From a business standpoint it makes no sense for what Josh self proclaimed as their "best album" to have so little promotion. At this point even when they finally release something my excitement is way less than what it would've been

[cursive river]

bro is onto nothing 🗣️🗣️🗣️ /lh

[stone flame]

sounds like a skill issue

[blazing breach]

pm for today just started tho

[stone flame]

all of this is (supposedly) intentional and considering this is (supposedly) the last album to finish up the story, it makes sense they’re keeping most of it under wraps to ensure and control the way the ending is told how they want it to be told

[normal elk]

the way the ending is told is doing nothing tho?? 😭

I simply cannot see the vision

[sterile glen]

well obviously they’ll do something eventually. they might just be holding it close to their chest for as long as possible to make sure everything goes the way they want🤷‍♂️ we won’t know until we get something

[stone flame]

i mean the way it’s executed, through music and/or the videos. it seems like they obviously want the ending to be experienced at the release of the album. and that’s why we haven’t learned much else about the album

it’s like how tyler said he wanted us to experience clancy with the videos first (sorry about the leaks) but he wanted paladin to live as the audio first, which is (partly) why we got the paladin audio before the video (never mind the delays)

just because you don’t see or understand the vision doesn’t mean you can’t respect what they’re trying to do here

[cunning granite]

i've been a big believer and advocate for the idea that, in time, we'll all learn the purpose of this dead period and it'll be brilliant once we see the big picture.
i am now beginning to leave room for the possibility that they may just pick up where they left off like nothing happened and continue on with the story.

[eternal badger]

all this for the album to be leaked in 2 weeks 💔

[blazing breach]

https://x.com/TOPUPDATERS/status/1952762961405067391?t=2iSFWvNVLWga3htZM48bQA&s=19

TØP Updates (@TOPUPDATERS)

Voting for the #VMAs is now open!
🔗: https://t.co/du0jNE4W9f

X · Aug 5, 2025, 4:05 PM

[atomic blaze]

Voting for Linkin Park

[blazing breach]

why not 21....

[atomic blaze]

TØP is still a band? I’ve not heard from them in ages

[tawny wigeon]

bruh

they will win easily tbh

[atomic blaze]

The contract is a beautiful video

[lament pendant]

Isn’t it for the rock artist though? Not for the video itself? Or are they in two categories

[atomic blaze]

Idk I thought VMAs means Video Music Awards lol

But MTV doesn’t really play music anymore anyways

[sterile glen]

i forgot vmas was a voted thing… yeah i feel like we have a good chance then

[topaz sail]

All voted things are rigged by the producers anyway so I don't get my hopes up 😂

[blazing breach]

✨ suspension of disbelief✨

[tawny wigeon]

they won an award recently can’t remember what it was

for clancy i think it was iheart rock album of the year?

[ebon bloom]

Best alternative album and Artist

[tawny wigeon]

they’re never winning any grammys cause they’re the most rigged music awards out of anything

[topaz sail]

Now I'm not saying the awards mean nothing but over the years you realize how much of it's just producer picked and it's just like oh well 😂

So it's still cool to see them win stuff but like , I'm not gonna go obsessively voting to anything anymore that's a big award show

Yall remember teen beach or whatever awards back a lonnnnng time ago ? That's where all that started coming out cause they have like a .2 second disclaimer for legal reasons at the end of the show on the screen that was basically like "the producers pick the winners" 😂

[tawny wigeon]

i’ll always vote for them but yeah i never expect them to win, even though they deserve all the awards lol. tyler and josh dont rlly care about them tho as well

[topaz sail]

It's cool to see them win awards though

But yeah I'm not worried about it

[blazing breach]

https://x.com/twentyonepilots/status/432599562419978242?t=Ss7nGgh8m31wP9uPLcYsKA&s=19

twenty one pilots (@twentyonepilots)

BIG ANNOUNCEMEnt!?

Josh isn't that hungry but could eat.

X · Feb 9, 2014, 7:39 PM

[tepid yacht]

Why would you do that

[oak dome]

mods pack them up

[blazing breach]

because it's BIG

[tepid yacht]

You’re in BIG trouble sunshine

[blazing breach]

i'm in danger

[jolly oyster]

No

[stone flame]

i know the HasItLeaked twitter account was being vague a few days ago about a potential teasing of something. might’ve been related to this? https://fxtwitter.com/hasitleaked/status/1952739230628683833?s=46

Has it Leaked (@hasitleaked)

Arctic Monkeys, despite solo projects, studio sessions booked for November.

**💬 48 🔁 148 ❤️ 1.6K 👁️ 201.1K **

FxTwitter · Aug 5, 2025, 2:31 PM

[vagrant rapids]

If we don't get an announcement this week there's no reason for them to drop anything until release at this point

They've already let the hype fizzle out

[blazing breach]

how is this related to tøp? /gen

or did u mean..

[tepid yacht]

Idc im happy w this posting or I wudnt have seen it fck yeah AM8

[blazing breach]

yup nvm.

[lilac sandal]

just to deconfirm the theories that it might be about TOP

[stone flame]

people were thinking his earlier tweet was about the pilots. i’m posting this as an “actually he might’ve meant this”

[blazing breach]

ty!!

[gentle rose]

It’s not fizzled, it’s dead as a rock

[vagrant rapids]

Agreed. Outside of the same few people hyping it up in threads like this

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[blazing breach]

my rock is alive 🪨

[vagrant rapids]

I'm just honestly surprised FBR hasn't made them release anything yet

[blazing breach]

tyler sent them all in dema prison

[eternal badger]

if we dont get something today i genuinely think something could be up

[white anchor]

i’m still excited for the album cuz like, its still a new record at the end of the day. BUT, what was all that talk abt keeping the hype and building on it in stride?

it worked really well for the contract i assumed. were they not impressed? like why wouldn’t they film the videos for the singles first and then have them ready to go? i just don’t get it.

its probably another clancy situation where they’re working heavily on post-album content rather than pre-album. because i had the same qualms about Clancy era and the gaps of silence, but then they gave us our most consistent lore content throughout the entire tour.

[gentle rose]

Wait you just gave me a theory. Remember FBR absolutely sucked at promoting Clancy, so maybe this silence is just TOP testing FBR if they really care about their music

[normal elk]

I'm willing to bet TOP cares more about the fans than what FBR thinks about them

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s fair

[odd schooner]

Omg arctic monkeys comeback

[vagrant rapids]

This is true. Just wild that after how Tyler talked about going straight into another album release cycle to keep the attention high and he's let the excitement completely dwindle

[gentle rose]

If they do care about us then why aren’t they releasing anything

[gentle rose]

And this too. Tyler is being such a hypocrite talking about keeping the hype at a high all the way through, and it seems like he’s perfectly fine with letting the excitement die

[normal elk]

Realistically it probably just means working on the album / mvs / tour

[gentle rose]

They did that during Clancy and still cranked out 3 singles

[atomic blaze]

Hell yeah arctic monkeys!

[normal elk]

yeah ):

[eternal badger]

I mean i lowkey hope we dont get a second single. even tho its basically confirmed, just think getting 12!!! new songs in one day is gonna be fuckin awesome. We already know more music is on the way, we just have to wait, so im hoping for no single 2

[stone flame]

unless they just meant the new album announcement? 😭 like, instead of waiting to announce it during/after the summer, they decided to ride on the BFX and end-of-tour coattails and That’s what they meant about our eyes already being on them? because maybe they thought we would drop off after clancy tour and they didn’t announce anything for the future? because, at least now, since we know there’s a new album and a tour upcoming, they have faith in us and we have faith in them. it would be way different if they finished the tour, left us in silence, and then dropped an album announcement much later (hypothetically)

[odd schooner]

I’m so happy they’re finally doing stuff again 🙏

[gentle rose]

That would be awesome but why couldn’t TOP just tell us they’re not dropping more singles

[vagrant rapids]

Every album rollout has been so exciting and memorable, and this will definitely go down as the worst, most frustrating rollout they've ever done. Even if the album is amazing I'll always associate it with how badly it was handled

[gentle rose]

Yeah me too I was so hoping for the rollout to be the best in TOP history but it’s easily the worst

[atomic blaze]

I’m not expecting anything before the album now. I’m hoping they have a lot of cool stuff to carry into 2026 but this is wild.

[blazing breach]

mojib's words

[eternal badger]

i can understand if we like... didnt know the full tracklist or when all the songs were getting released but...
we already know ALL the songs and WHEN theyll be released, for me a single just removes one song that wouldve been added to the hype of the full added release

[eternal badger]

1. I literally said it already confirmed... and 2. The only thing mojib has said about this album rollout has been incorrect so far so 💔

[white anchor]

yeah, there’s no issue with one single and having the rest of the record be a surprise. hell, that would actually have me MORE hyped abt the album. but its a matter of communication. if they don’t tell us what to expect, wtf are we supposed to do?

“The Contract the first, and only single on breach” would’ve had my head exploding. and they definitely would’ve kept the mystique of the album intact.

[blazing breach]

there's no reason to NOT release the 2nd single

[lilac sandal]

what are you talking about?

[atomic blaze]

I hope they tie it into breaching our trust otherwise this silence is absolutely for nothing

[gentle rose]

But here they’re handling the rollout extremely badly, absolutely no communication about what’s coming next

[eternal badger]

mojib put his credibility and word behind the leaked tracklist, which today is proved to be incorrect

[lilac sandal]

No he didn't, he never said that one was real. People just took him to mean that when he was always vague about it

[gentle rose]

I’m always hoping for Breach to become my favorite TOP album but I feel like I’ll just associate it with the memories of the silence too much

[eternal badger]

"Hey guys new album release date is february 2026!"

[blazing breach]

or he's still playing with us

[white anchor]

let’s be fr its not gonna tie into anything. they just like to keep things looking professional and don’t wanna admit things are being held back or in the works cuz of “da vibe.” only when its really dire like clancy being delayed close to release

[cunning granite]

i feel that the window where the silence could've been a counterintuitive and cool way to get people asking questions has closed firmly. cos now we're less than six weeks out. how much can they do regenerate hype without diluting the release of the album?

[white anchor]

replied to the wrong person but whatever lmao

[lilac sandal]

I never thought that was his intent at all, I don't see how "do you know of a song called Do You Feel At Home?" and "How do you know, have you heard it?" = "the tracklist is real," to me it reads as the opposite

[stone flame]

the only thing he “confirmed” about the tracklist is that what he had didn’t match up with what tyler gave us so that means either he was given placeholder/fake titles or tyler was trolling us. but since we now know tyler was being serious, we can surmise that the band must’ve given industry people fake tracklists to prevent leaks from coming out

[eternal badger]

No he said that someone messed up big time revealing that, he had known the next upcoming singles.

His intent isn't to mislead us or having any ulterior motive, just him as a source isnt reliable

the information he had was incorrect thats all

[lilac sandal]

No he didn't, that's not what he was referring to. The closest thing he said was that if it was real, Urban Outfitters shouldn't have had access to it at that point (which was true, it was not sent out by that time)

[gentle rose]

I don’t even think anything we’re talking about is the real kicker that makes the silence annoying. To me the really annoying part is the contract didn’t add to the lore it just left us on the exact same cliffhanger we’ve been sitting on for over a year now

[white anchor]

i trust mojib cuz the guy has an insane track record, but let’s be honest. his vagueness for tøp doesn’t do many favors. that do you feel at home quote could be interpreted on either side of the spectrum, therefore making him right if it is a real song or right again if it isn’t real. and yes, that could be his intention as to keep eyes off him and whatnot, but still, doesn’t help.

[eternal badger]

I agree, the way the contract was being teased made it sound like we were getting back to the BF hidden teasers/cryptic stuff, but going an ENTIRE month without anything actually puts the hype on a dead halt

[white anchor]

do you know how crazy it would’ve been if the contract ended on some insane ending that made us think “wtf WAS THAT IT?” and the silence only adding to that suspicion? in that scenario it’d work i believe. because at least then we have something NEW to talk abt in the timeline.

[eternal badger]

and tyler revealing the tracklist in such an out of line place was also a curveball

[stone flame]

and when the next song/video isn’t lore, we’re gonna be right back where we were

[jolly oyster]

Also, it’s worth mentioning that executives and what not are really cracking down on this album and lurking in leak servers and whatnot. Security is at all time high so Mojib can’t just say “here’s the tracklist, next single is drum show releasing on August 8th”

[gentle rose]

EXACTLY, we have nothing new so it makes the excitement dwindle even more

[vagrant rapids]

At this point I'd almost prefer complete silence. The fact that they keep vaguely teasing just to do nothing is just straight up mean lmao

[blazing breach]

did u casually leak the release date

[eternal badger]

"really cracking down" would mean mojib losing whatever job or source he has because what he has already revealed is much more harmful information to these companies than the name of the next single

[jolly oyster]

No, but it’d be crazy if I did. I just did the next Friday lol

[blazing breach]

but it's this friday

[atomic blaze]

When do they film in LA? Worth it to keep an eye out on the directors socials and his team. They post their gear pre video shoots all the time and aren’t slick about it

[jolly oyster]

A job is a job. He doesn’t want to lose his income

[eternal badger]

then he wouldve already lost it 😭

[jolly oyster]

That’s what I meant. The closest Friday

[gentle rose]

Started today, going to Friday

[blazing breach]

ah

[eternal badger]

Im not suprised we haven't received the song yet, but I am surprised we havent gotten the song announcement yet

[jolly oyster]

Gonna be real, this ain’t my battle

[eternal badger]

likely recording for a mv to drop with the album or after

[vagrant rapids]

This rollout just encourages the leaks too. Tyler can't really be mad if people listen to the leaks if/when they happen because they'd be the only thing we've gotten from them

[gentle rose]

Yeah exactly

[eternal badger]

people who are saying that its the next single are really overestimating their editors 😭

[lilac sandal]

It's not like Mojib's statements are 100% but he's a marketing guy who is a proven insider who has been doing this for over a decade. His credentials are simply not up for debate, he's not some random person making unsubstantiated claims. He can be wrong, but when he is, it's because he doesn't have access too all the info sometimes, or plans change and he isn't told because it's not directly relevant to him.

I'm just tired of seeing people constantly saying he's lying, or has been proven unreliable during this rollout, when most of his "claims" people keep citing were just people taking vague statements and running with them to supposedly confirm what they wanted to hear. If you go back and read what he actually said, none of it is actually inaccurate, even with the real tracklist reveal he didn't say it was fake, he just said it doesn't match what he had and acknowledged that he might've been given a placeholder.

In the end he says not to take his statements as 100% accurate, so as anything not directly from the band, they should be taken with a grain of salt, but it'd be nice to be able to bring up the info he has given us without a bunch of people saying he's a liar or doesn't know what he's talking about

[gentle rose]

I’ve honestly been saying for a month now, I’d welcome a leak at this point cause what we’re stuck with now isn’t fun at all

[stone flame]

maybe that’s why they put out the snippets? maybe they thought it would sate people enough until the songs officially release

[atomic blaze]

LA is def the last lore video I think. We won’t see that for months. Longer shoot than Paladin too

[gentle rose]

EXACTLY

[gentle rose]

Only longer by one day

[blazing breach]

🏖️

[gentle rose]

News flash TOP they didn’t

[atomic blaze]

Still an additional 8 hrs of filming

[eternal badger]

I thought the snippets were awesome, but if they knew they were going to be completely silent for a month straight I think they wouldve posted like a snippet every 4 days. Like that would build SO much more hype than the complete silence we're getting right now

[gentle rose]

Yeah it’ll be crazy when it comes out

[eternal badger]

while also teasint/releasing the same amount

[soft mason]

What are the chances a song leaks for the music video filming this week?

[atomic blaze]

Slim to none with NDAs

[stone flame]

for you, maybe. but i’m sure the vast majority of fans are content with waiting 😭 i think the leak-listening part of the community isn’t that big. they might be louder but not bigger

[gentle rose]

Probably not large chance, but I wouldn’t be surprised if any set photos leaked

[eternal badger]

doubt it

[white anchor]

these next 2 singles (if there even are two atp) aren’t gonna be lore and i feel very confident in that

[blazing breach]

0.0%

[eternal badger]

only chances of a "song" leak is when the physical copies get shipped out and someone wants to lose their job

[soft mason]

Not even like a clip of someone recording on their phone or something? Of course the actual file won’t leak I know that

[stone flame]

nothing from paladin leaked so i doubt anything from this will leak

[lilac sandal]

I'm guessing the album will leak but no singles will

[jolly oyster]

Did we know that paladin was being filmed in an la studio?

[eternal badger]

highly doubt it, we got leaks of "Lavish" and "ATROFD" because they were filming in a public location, while what theyre currently doing is likely private

[jolly oyster]

Like prior to its filming/release

[stone flame]

there was a video leak from the next semester shoot but i know some people think that was the band themselves leaking it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic blaze]

Nope

[soft mason]

Did anything happen when next semester was being filmed cause I remember seeing the listing to sign up to be in it

[lilac sandal]

this is the "big thing" Mojib was talking about btw

[eternal badger]

wasnt paladin strait in norway or amth angway??

[atomic blaze]

Nah it was green screen in the US

[lilac sandal]

so it is indeed not TOP-related but we mostly knew that anyway

[white anchor]

all of it was LA iirc

[lilac sandal]

yes, that was not him confirming it, he was saying that Urban Outfitters shouldn't have anything that could possibly leak

Everyone saying "it's real" afterwards was them reading into it more than he actually said

[jolly oyster]

This also was back in late June lmao

[lilac sandal]

Also remember he's not a native English speaker

[eternal badger]

in the text above, he was saying how a certain leak was fake. The next message being him saying that the urban outfitters leak should not be public information. With him knowing the next single that would mean the single is in that track list.

[lilac sandal]

so in general he's saying what he wants to say and he's generally not trying to subtly confirm/deconfirm things by subtle choice in wording

[stone flame]

he also said when he listened to the album, all the tracks were untitled

[lilac sandal]

we also don't know when he saw the tracklist for the first time

[smoky tangle]

11 mins.

[lilac sandal]

at some point he had seen it, but it was some time after he actually heard the album with no titles

[jolly oyster]

He was saying that if that is the tracklist, urban outfitters shouldn’t have it because why would they have it

[buoyant bramble]

I have a feeling that something suspicious is going on with Breaches release

[vagrant rapids]

I feel like if there was anything going on preventing them from keeping us in the loop, Tyler wouldn't be teasing us by posting photos of Josh from the video shoot and the like

This seems like a choice by them to torture us lmao

[main knoll]

Mojib said things were going as planned and yeah, I haven’t seen anything to prove anything otherwise

[stone flame]

and it’s working since we’re still talking

[vagrant rapids]

The most dedicated fans are going to keep talking no matter what. They've alienated a lot of people at this point

[main knoll]

I do think there could be overestimating happening on both sides here. I know IRL fans that are mystified by the lack of a second single and IRL fans who haven’t noticed or felt like anything was amiss lol

[blazing breach]

honestly they'll still blow up the information field when the album comes out. a wave of content will overwhelm any periods of silence

[vagrant rapids]

Yeah the hype will still be there when the album releases regardless. But for what is supposed to be the final installment they've definitely let the excitement dwindle. Properly teasing and keeping the tension steady leads to more excitement and reach overall

[blazing breach]

i think they've a lot of work right now and are trying to do everything in the best possible way

[vagrant rapids]

I think there's a lot of people who will look at this rollout in a negative light in retrospect

I understand them being busy. But at that point if they can't tell us due to NDAs and such, there's no reason for them to tease us for nothing to become of it

[red patrol]

I just went through every comment mojib made public in the HIL server, and the biggest red flag was this comment: "Let me ask you this, are you aware of a track called Do You Feel At Home?"

He also claimed that when he heard the tracks, they were untitled. It seems extremely possible to me that there was a false tracklist out there. Every other verifiable claim he has made has come true.

[jolly oyster]

It also is lollapalooza. Idk if that has something to do in the music industry with announcements or not but take that what you will. FBR might not want anything to release during a big festival

[main knoll]

Yeah I’m operating under the idea that he saw a placeholder/fake tracklist for now. He seems pretty trustworthy otherwise and he wouldn’t gain anything by “lying” as far as I understand it

[tawny wigeon]

honestly i think it’s next week, if not then i think we’re not getting anymore pre release singles

[atomic blaze]

How long till they’re forced to post to their main socials

[lilac sandal]

I still think he said that because people kept bringing up Do You Feel At Home in the chat as if it was a confirmed real song and he wasn't sure why and wanted clarification on it

[atomic blaze]

My bar is in hell rn

[red patrol]

I feel like we should see something by at least August 15th. It seems crazy to me that there would be no marketing 3-4 weeks out from the album.

[atomic blaze]

Tracklist 20 days ago. Prior to that 41 days ago about the tour

[red patrol]

That's possible. Going through the server, it's clear that Mojib is trying to figure out what the fans already knew. His first 20 or so messages, he's trying to parse out what BFX and the "Omega" leaks were.

[cunning granite]

we've got 5 1/2 weeks left of a 16 week rollout and one single to show for it

[tawny wigeon]

the album is literally not that far away 😭 like they do actually have to promote it somehow soon and that’s not just in the form of a single

[stone flame]

him trying to dig for what we know makes sense because he went on to say he thought this was just a regular album, but since he learned that this is something special and the PR surrounding it was important, he’s backed off from talking about it

(inb4 someone comments about how there is no PR because everything is quiet—clearly this is intentional and we’ll find out soon enough why)

[lilac sandal]

yea, and also bear in mind that he's not a TOP fan so his knowledge is basically limited to what he has encountered on the marketing side of things

[cunning granite]

to think the most momentous piece of story we've gotten, even more so than the contract, is the merch alert

[vagrant rapids]

I don't think any explanation at this point would suffice. Even if the silence ties into the lore, this is just bad marketing no matter how you twist or convey it

[lilac sandal]

eh, idk if I agree

It's what I like to call Silksong-style marketing

Team Cherry went silent for years and hype just kept building, so now marketing people see that it works

and it honestly does. Complete silence for something people look forward to means that no matter how frustrated they get, the impact when it's revealed just grows

I do really hope this isn't normalized though

and there are significant negative ramifications, I think they just think the benefits outweigh them

[vagrant rapids]

I can't speak for anyone but personally the impact for me has dwindled extremely because of the way its been handled. If they had striked when the iron was hot then it would've been peak

[atomic blaze]

I guess we’ll find out when the album drops how well it works out. Right now the contract has performed better than any Clancy song so

[lilac sandal]

yea, I agree, I honestly barely care at this point. I'm not going to be dropping everything for the second single now. Ofc I'll be happy when it's out but my reaction is going to be more like "finally, why couldn't they have just said something or revealed this weeks ago?"

unless they have a really good reason for this

[red patrol]

I agree, but let me play devil's advocate.

We're still in the silence, waiting for what's on the other side. The dedicated fans are definitely talking about Breach and how the rollout has been weird. And it's really fascinating how they left us in silence after dropping a single with the lyrics "And I'm just tryna stay quiet." Imagine we get a Blurryface tweet that incorporates the silence. That's going to make a big splash compared to the typical "single, promo, single, promo" cycle

NF has a promo style where he just falls off the face of the earth until an album comes out. Then, when it drops, it makes a big splash from his fans.

[vagrant rapids]

I just think this is a dangerous game to play with people's expectations. The hardcore clikkies will learn to love it no matter what, but the longer the wait the harder it's going to be for anything we get to live up to this build up

I just imagine we will have a lot of people going "that's it?"

[tawny wigeon]

im tuning in no matter what but yeah casual audience may take a hit

[stone flame]

which i don’t really think they care much about anymore

[tawny wigeon]

personally i’m getting very excited cause i have no idea what to expect from this album

[stone flame]

they have a dedicated core fanbase and this is all for us for still sticking around

[tawny wigeon]

Yeah

[atomic blaze]

Atleast we have a tour to look forward to

Nothing screams excitement like an amphitheatre in the cold in places like Arkansas

[vagrant rapids]

I say this as a hardcore fan myself, no matter what happens I will be very happy when something finally drops. But the initial reaction may be heavily subdued

[tawny wigeon]

if this is a very lore heavy and intense album i could see it maybe not being made for the casual fanbase and more for hardcore fans. i’m not comparing to taylor swift, but her recent album was very much a for the fans project because of the way it was marketed etc and it wasn’t well received by the general public

i guess it differs from person to person, because for me it’s still a brand new twenty one pilots album that we’re getting and no matter what it’s exciting and will be a banger

[cunning granite]

imagine the album sux ☠️

[odd schooner]

Worst album ever made thats why they ain’t doing a rollout 😭

[atomic blaze]

They’ve never put out a bad album. Except Blurryface

[tawny wigeon]

i keep reminding myself that when the album drops, we’re probably not gonna be able to catch a break similar to when tour was on etc.

[odd schooner]

Hey Blurryface is mediocre at best!

[tawny wigeon]

there’s going to be so much to tune into and analyse when the album does come so i’m looking forward to that

[vagrant rapids]

As much as I loved Clancy, if what we get is only on par with it I'll be pretty disappointed even if I do love it since the boys can't release bad music. All the hype built around this has just set expectations high and the longer they wait the higher the chance of disappointment

[odd schooner]

I can’t wait for the analyzing

[dire depot]

BF Songs 1 - 3 and 5 - 7 are phenomenal!

[cunning granite]

they ain't said anything cos they're hoping we'll forget n not bring it up

[red patrol]

I really want Breach to be a lore-heavy album that scares off the Fantanos of the world - at least lyrically. After Clancy ended up not being that lore-heavy lyrically, I really want to see this album go all in.

[tawny wigeon]

i think it will be

[atomic blaze]

I love this but also Fantano loved trench and that album is straight nonsensical at times without the lore lol

[tawny wigeon]

it’ll definitely be more lore focused than clancy (which isn’t hard)

[vagrant rapids]

To be fair, Trench is the most lore-heavy album and a lot of it is so on the nose, and it's Fantanos favorite by far

[odd schooner]

Imagine Fantano is actually huge into the lore lmao

[fresh quiver]

i really dislike that guy

[tawny wigeon]

i think he’s said before he appreciates any songs that have an extra layer of storytelling

[fresh quiver]

literally said nothing bad about vanisher, was an amazing album etc, 8/10. bruh

[atomic blaze]

Fantano missed the point of SAI entirely man does not care about reading into albums. He cranks out too many reviews to get into it

[cunning granite]

just wait till he hears taco bell saga

[tawny wigeon]

yeah his SAI review was dumb

[odd schooner]

His review of SAI was way too harsh

[red patrol]

Trench makes more sense with the lore, but the overall themes can be picked up by the casual listener. It's also the first lore-heavy album (sorry, Blurryface), so there's not as much to learn.

[atomic blaze]

I get SAI not ranking high but man did he misconstrue that album

(SAI ranks high for me) just meant the general public

[tawny wigeon]

it’s like it all went over his head 😭

[red patrol]

Outside of NATN, Bandito, and one verse of Morph, Trench is pretty straightforward.

[cunning granite]

there's no grip, it just slid off

[odd schooner]

Yeah I kinda feel like that’s why Clancy didnt go too crazy into the lore at times

I’m hoping breach will be though

[vagrant rapids]

I absolutely love SAI as well as everything they've released. But I absolutely understand the negative reception. From a musical standpoint is significantly more simple and less nuanced than their other albums

[tawny wigeon]

agreed

i love the lore aspects of SAI and i genuinely rlly didn’t like it when it first dropped but after repeat listens ive gotten into it and now love it

[atomic blaze]

Clancy was 100% a character study just as Blurryface was. Breach will mirror Trench by broadening the lens of the album and lore

Clancy is my favorite album of theirs it’s so vulnerable.

[odd schooner]

I will say the simplicity makes sense. I can’t imagine the pressure they were feeling after putting out Trench.

[tawny wigeon]

clancy is indeed a character study album that’s a great way to put it tbh

[vagrant rapids]

It definitely does, lore-wise they executed exactly what they intended to do. But at the end of the day, a less developed album equates to objectively worse music

[odd schooner]

Yeah it definitely needed to grow on me a lot compared to their other albums

[tawny wigeon]

same

[red patrol]

Clancy is such a great album, but I really think marketing it as the end of the story was a huge misfire. During my initial listen, I was confused by the lack of clear lore, that I really didn't get to enjoy it as a character study

[tawny wigeon]

clancy is a fantastic album, even if it’s not as lore heavy as we wanted.

but now i think with breach, the lack of lore might end up making more sense if breach is a more lore heavy album

[atomic blaze]

I’m sad how much of a beating Tyler took for SAI’s songwriting. I found it was super empathetic to do a lighter album when the world was falling apart. Having a summer album to listen to was honestly the only normal thing in my life at the time. If a trench came out instead my psyche couldn’t have dealt with that

[tawny wigeon]

oh yeah i imagine that would affect tyler and josh, seeing a lot of negative reception to your work.

[odd schooner]

It felt like Tyler stepping away from the lore a little and just wrote about what he was feeling at the time. It felt like a peak inside his brain

[atomic blaze]

But now the idea the lore he put on pause is back on the table with breach give it to me immediately

[tawny wigeon]

i think SAI was a great creative point in their career, and i think it progressed the lore really well and was a good album to put out during covid when everyone was feeling down

[tawny wigeon]

exactly. that’s why i think it makes a great character study because

it’s focusing on an individual and what they’re going through, which could be clancy

[odd schooner]

Exactly. The songwriting is so great on Clancy. It’s really well done from a writing standpoint

[red patrol]

The whole SAI era was a work of genius. Between the lore and the aesthetics and songwriting... It was just a big departure sonically of how they do music.

[atomic blaze]

Salivating over SAI’s album rollout. So fucking cool.

[odd schooner]

In a sense reminds me of the OK Computer to KID A jump. Not as major of a jump, but still

[tawny wigeon]

i agree, the aesthetic of SAI was perfect and the lore was so well executed. the propaganda posters, the livestream experience, it was all done so well

[fleet arch]

I was up at my grandparents cabin when the SAI posters were found on dmaorg. It was an interesting time.

[vagrant rapids]

I actually really enjoyed SAI's rollout as well. It's definitely not my favorite if I had to rank the albums for the musical content themselves, but it had one of my favorite release cycles

[odd schooner]

The SAI rollout was perfect. And now here we are without a rollout 😔

[red patrol]

I love everything surrounding SAI. I think it's a good album. It's just more poppy then I generally like. And I wish I could express that better without seeming like I'm an SAI-hater. I'm anything but

[fleet arch]

It’s okay, they’re just roleplaying the hiatus.

[odd schooner]

Tyler and his damn role playing

[main knoll]

I loved the sound, rollout and aesthetics of SAI as it was happening but had to take a bit of a step back from listening to it bc some of the lyrics were a bit too real for me at the time. A lot of the songs dealt with heavier themes than the music would suggest. But in the years since I’ve really come to appreciate it and the lore it gave us

[sterile glen]

i think the concept of sai could’ve been better portrayed at the beginning of the album if like at the end of good day it got a little glitchy or something and like just kinda ended feeling ~off~?? i’m not sure how to phrase it but i think it could’ve really portrayed to the general audience that something is supposed to be a little off

[odd schooner]

I do enjoy the whole “poppier tone but really dark undertones” from a lyrical standpoint it’s excellent at times.

Especially comparing the opener to the closer sounds like a completely different album

[odd schooner]

Yeah. People were just kinda like “I guess this is their sound now” and didnt question it

[red patrol]

I think if SAI released before the streaming era, it would have been received a lot better. I think the album works best as a collection, rather than individual tracks.

[atomic blaze]

I like how they don’t play to the general audience though.

Clancy has been in our vocabulary years and years before the general public

[odd schooner]

The whole album kinda felt like a “if you know, you know” situation I think

[blazing marsh]

yeah i proposed that yesterday

[blazing marsh]

general audience still can enjoy it though

[sterile glen]

yeah i just think good day did a great job introducing you to the more plasticity fun sound, while also diving into some of the darker, off sounding lyrics, but i think it could’ve dipped darker sonically for just a moment at the end to make you be like “??? wait what’s going on here?”

[tawny wigeon]

livestream experience is one of the best things they’ve ever done and maybe the best lore thing they’ve ever done. so well executed and just so perfect especially in telling the story of the lore at that point

[jolly oyster]

SAI has the most lore songs if we’re viewing the entire livestream as a lore music video

[random pivot]

i am heavily confused

[jolly oyster]

Why

[blazing breach]

but lyrically trench is their lore-heaviest album

[vagrant rapids]

The SAI lore other than the livestream is more contextual

Trench literally tells you lore content up front

[tawny wigeon]

true

[smoky tangle]

And trench is their BEST album to date let's hope breach tops it or is on par with it at least that's what I think

[thin copper]

you should let go, it's over my head

[white anchor]

if we go by pure song content with upfront lore, trench is 50% lore, SAI is like 18%, and Clancy is like 15%

if the theories of City Walls, RAWFEAR, Garbage, and Intentions are true. Breach could be at least 38% lore related material

[rapid nest]

cottonwood too

intentions %100 lore

[thin copper]

apart from the very upfront stuff, there should be a lot of more subtle stuff

like Clancy

[white anchor]

clancy as a record does more to paint a picture of clancy’s mindset than it does to progress the story itself

[thin copper]

yeah like, it's obviously not as upfront about the worldbuilding, but the album does tell a story

[rapid nest]

routines in the night

[rapid nest]

i mean doesnt backslide have a reference to dema ?

[white anchor]

because you can assume Backslide, Routines, Vignette, and Snap Back can be seen as glimpses into his psyche

[rapid nest]

like, its a reference to dema

[naive hemlock]

how is this lore related

[white anchor]

i see it more as a stressed out kinda lyric thematically. where when he was younger he had less responsibilities and a more fantastical view on the world. and now, as he’s gotten older, that vision of the world has been tainted

[ebon bloom]

Also how maybe the story went from something that was this way to explore his brain, but then became something more logistical

[rapid nest]

literally

i used to be the champion of a world you cant see (trench/dema) ?

[naive hemlock]

I feel like backslide as a whole is completely about tyler's mindset and his struggles since SAI era.

[rapid nest]

i dont see it that way honestly but

[naive hemlock]

To me this was more of him being caught up in his head, being overconfident after the takeoff of his band

[white anchor]

then again, two of those things can be true at the same time. you can see it as a song from clancy’s perspective and tyler’s perspective

[naive hemlock]

especially with the "now I'm drowning in logistics" like the coolness of being a big hit has worn off and now hes realizing how hard it is to make music when you have such a large ammount of people watching you

[thin copper]

you mean... a song can have multiple layers of interpretation??????????????

incredible

[tawny wigeon]

kinda wishing that i never did saturday is one of the most heartbreaking lyrics tbh

[rapid nest]

it was never take it at first lol

[tawny wigeon]

yea

[thin copper]

wasn't it both
or am i misremembering

[naive hemlock]

I don't really feel like backslide or snap back have anything to do with the lore, I could see routines but to me that's more of a BTS (like tyler talking about how dema lives in his mind, like the bandito bridge), but I'm hoping Vignette kind of becomes more important in the end of the lore as one of those songs that is lyrically explaining something we just don't understand/haven't seen yet

[white anchor]

ikr i’m so glad i was the first person to ever come up with that in the history of the world

[thin copper]

Also there are literal routines, during the night, in Dema
At least it was referenced in a letter during the Clancy Tour

[naive hemlock]

especially for me, who didn't really understand much of TOP back in SAI era but I was a huge fan of LOC and Saturday, and then my phone reccomended clancy to me and that's one of the main lyrics that stood out to me in the full listen

[gentle rose]

I agree strongly with this, cause even if Clancy doesn’t have much of a lore progression it has probably the best lyrical progression in any TOP album

[naive hemlock]

Do you have the letter now I'm curious

[white anchor]

you can see backslide/snap back as clancy’s mental state during the uprising of his rebellion / pre paladin. for example, him being scared of failure and his repeated attempts to get to this point, hoping he doesn’t break before he succeeds.

but imo i see those songs more in a non-lore context like you do, but i don’t think its OUT of the question to be a double meaning. moreso backslide than snap back

[naive hemlock]

I agree with it having a continious theme but I don't really see how that theme plays into the lore

[thin copper]

i could swear i remember reading "routines in the night" or smth like that in a Clancy Tour letter

if someone has it or has an archive of the letters (the Clancy Tour ones) that'd be cool

[naive hemlock]

theres a site

[white anchor]

remember “follow the torches” wtf was that abt

[fresh quiver]

what are we, some kind of… paladin strait

[gentle rose]

It’s like Clancy’s headspace while he’s experiencing everything from overcompensate to Paladin

[naive hemlock]

https://archive.demacouncil.top

[thin copper]

bingo
letter 9 EU tour

not exactly what i said but close

[naive hemlock]

Interesting

I wonderr if tyler is the one who wrote all these letters

[white anchor]

Clancy, as a record, has a recurring theme of relapse/backsliding and breaking cycles.

tyler making 2 songs with relatively the same theme about how he’s in a constant cycle that he wants to break from, is a foundational concept in the dema storyline.

i don’t think its a far stretch to say that not only do these themes relate to tyler, but also to clancy as a character. that’s honestly why i think they even made the “i am clancy” video in the first place.

Clancy as a record IS about tyler’s personal experiences and how he’s grown/changed over the years. but also, since tyler IS clancy, those are the same ways that the character has changed as well. like a double meaning.

[naive hemlock]

Does the "I am clancy" video confirm that tyler is metaphorically clancy? It was my understanding that it was saying that Tyler portrayed Clancy in the music videos, and it was an introduction to the character.

[white anchor]

i mean, i don’t see it as that far of a stretch to assume that’s also what the video implies. whenever tyler was confronted with the clancy character during interview for trench era, he always talked abt him as a different character. but, in the SAI zane lowe interview (iirc) he went back on that after zane asked him if clancy was a vehicle for him to face those topics head on in the perspective of a character. or something along those lines. i’ll find the clip and see if i’m remembering right

[eternal badger]

ok discord

[white anchor]

29:20

https://youtu.be/N_Zq7ddcQQ4?si=VAXuHwzQJHqUc2fA

[tawny wigeon]

i think tyler is physically portraying clancy, but i think the character is a reflection of tyler just like trench and dema is a "mirror (as tyler has said"/reflection of your personal struggles and mental health

[white anchor]

“as tyler” and then tyler’s response makes me feel like he sees himself in clancy, just like he sees himself in blurryface and whatnot. its all him. but clancy is the part of him with the spirit to keep fighting

[tawny wigeon]

the amount of times he says overcompensate in this video is hilarious

[blazing breach]

is this lore
is this blurry's activity

[main knoll]

Gives even more evidence to the conclusion that Tyler = Clancy (bc that’s still debatable to some people)

[tawny wigeon]

"allows you to experience the things that maybe you are not ready to experience as tyler" a perfect explanation tbh

[tawny wigeon]

yeah someone made this on twitter, sounds really good

[eternal badger]

so good

[tawny wigeon]

we'll have to compare when breach drops and see how accurate it was lol

city walls sounds so good and so does drumshow, the guy who made it did a great job

[marble wasp]

?????

[tawny wigeon]

..?

[marble wasp]

i am missing context and this is the first thing i read

[tawny wigeon]

oh someone on twitter made concepts of what they think songs from breach will sound like

[marble wasp]

was anything leaked or am i silly

[tawny wigeon]

nope, scroll up a bit lol

[eternal badger]

these are the leaked versions of the songs

[marble wasp]

ok im silly lmao

[tawny wigeon]

its a fan concept using the breach snippets that the band released

[main knoll]

What? Leaks??? My understanding was that this was a fan creation

[tawny wigeon]

yeah there's no new leaks, its just using what the band already released

[odd schooner]

These sound insane 😭

[main knoll]

Just generally can we credit the places these are coming from to reduce some confusion

[eternal badger]

ik im joking

theyre from twitter

[white anchor]

i think this was the most logical and eventual conclusion to this arc, not only for clancy but for tyler himself.

tyler couldn’t face these topics head on, so he created a world to express it and detail it in a way that he can still see it from a distance.

but, as the records go on, his confidence grows, not only for himself but clancy as well. and we see that as clancy grows in power and becomes a leader.

tyler created the world of dema and trench to feel control over his emotions / brain, but that was never supposed to be a permanent. he has to destroy these facades to face them head on. like how Clancy wants to destroy dema

[main knoll]

Okay well… it’s not an obvious joke when this is a leak channel 😭 /nm /lh

[marble wasp]

Rawfear sounds so good 🙏 Hope the actual song sounds like that

[dim island]

Anyone have the link?

[eternal badger]

https://x.com/jimbocius/status/1952810151800377371?s=46

jimbo (@jimbocius)

Breach is only 37 days away, here's my prediction of what every song* will sound like

#twentyonepilots #breach @twentyonepilots @tylerrjoseph @joshuadun #cliqueart
*minus the contract

X · Aug 5, 2025, 7:13 PM

here they are, sounding awesome

[stone flame]

i’ve also said as much before 🤝 i think it can also tie back into how, during trench era, tyler said clancy wasn’t “on the record.” he wasn’t ready to be in the spotlight and share his story/music with us in that way. but since we now saw clancy gaining that confidence to have a record named after himself (and be that leader not just for the banditos but eventually in dema), it’s like tyler is also ready to “own up” to things too and stop “hiding” behind clancy, in a way. clancy/tyler is ready to confront who he needs to confront, including himself

[stone flame]

a lot of these sounds like hold music you have to sit through while you’re fighting for your life with insurance companies or student loan providers (compliment) (hold music usually sucks)

[dim island]

I hope he’s pretty well on the nose

[dim island]

Imagine how good they’d be with Josh on real drums and Paul meany production with Tyler vox

[stone flame]

i think they’ve done a good job at subverting our expectations so if we’re sure about what something will sound like, it’ll be the complete opposite

[buoyant bramble]

this. is SO FIRE.