Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[random pivot]

it’s so over

[blazing breach]

i believe in it

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 15!

[blazing breach]

see?

[glacial crane]

i gave up, could be released next week but we won't hear anything til monday at the earliest

[blazing breach]

it's not 8pm yet

[last solar]

imagine we only get the contract as sigle

[random pivot]

it’s too late i fear

[random pivot]

naaaaaah we have already been told it’s 3

also it makes no sense to announce an album 5 months in advance and drop only one song doesn’t matter how dedicated top fanbase is taking that long kills any rollout

[lilac sandal]

tomorrow's still more likely than Monday imo

since Mojib said something minor was happening this week and so far literally nothing has

[atomic blaze]

If they announce anything tomorrow I will eat one of my Clancy records

That’s how confident I am that it’s not happening unfortunately

[blazing breach]

nah it was released at 12pm with the premiere

[blazing breach]

something so minor that we even didn't notice it

[blazing breach]

well i lost hope
good night everyone

[glacial crane]

im pretty sure it was announced at 8pm but i might be wrong

[remote tusk]

Check back in 16 minutes

[glacial crane]

i just dont see anything happening on the 4th of july but all the stuff about fireworks could mean something

single 2 is called fireworks....

[celest gyro]

screenshotting this and pinging you if it happens lmaoooooo

[atomic blaze]

Good I’ll let you choose the variant

[gentle rose]

They have to announce it on Monday if not today

[remote tusk]

wow look nothing

[glacial crane]

possibly the first single to break the 4 week rule, would be the longest rollout theyve had between 2 songs but at this point i fear itll happen

[gentle rose]

Wasn’t backslide announced like a couple days before, we still have a little time

[cobalt fiber]

from the leaks they are supposed to only be doing 3 singles, which already breaks their previous pattern- in a normal rollout this length theyd be releasing 4 so there being a larger gap between singles isnt super unexpected imo

Could easily get a late July single and then a single a couple days before the album, or something in that range

[glacial crane]

tbf if you count jumpsuit and natn as 1 single since they released the same day, trench was also 4 weeks beteeen singles

last one was about 4 weeks before the album

and as a non album song idk where the craving single version fits into this cuz its not on any version of clancy

[gentle rose]

Well to be fair in recent albums like SAI and Clancy the fourth single was only a couple days before the album, and for trench 2 of the singles were released together, so I think we’ll still have a normal schedule for singles more or less

[cobalt fiber]

My blood released 5 and a half weeks before the album so that already broke the 4 week pattern

[glacial crane]

it was originally planned for the following week but it leaked

[cobalt fiber]

That would break the pattern in the other direction then lol

[glacial crane]

some source leaked the date and everyone was like NEXT WEEK NO WAY then it lesked off an alexa

[glacial crane]

how so? thats 4 weeks after levitate

[cobalt fiber]

If they moved it up it would be 3 and a half weeks no? As it stands it released 2 and a half weeks after levitate

It either undershoots or overshoots 4 weeks either way

Unless we have a specific other planned date for it that I’m unaware of

[glacial crane]

it was meant to release on the first friday in september if I'm not wrong, i thought that was only a week after it leaked but i barely remember it was forever ago

was gonna be the same night as a complete diversion and thats the only reason i remember

[cobalt fiber]

complete diversion was September 12th which would be 5 weeks between it and levitate

Wasn’t aware they originally planned it to drop on the same day as complete diversion though thats interesting

First Friday of September would be the closest as thats 4 weeks 2 days, but thats not when they did complete diversion so one of these dates has to be off but I wouldn’t know which

[glacial crane]

https://x.com/slut4pangea/status/1036837697179004928?t=zrq1a-6IHLwOIpNfEgV4lQ&s=19

typo (@slut4pangea)

wait remember how my blood was supposed to drop september 7th according to everyones apple tvs,,,
and i doubt the boys would play all of trench at the complete diversion show without letting us hear it first...
what if thats the date they release of the whole ass album.

X · Sep 4, 2018, 4:45 AM

genuinely started to think i was crazy

guess i was lying to myself about the complete diversion thing or maybe that was some speculation

[cobalt fiber]

Ah okay that makes sense

Do we have any info on if levitate was also shifted from an original release date? Ik that one also leaked the day before they dropped it but I don’t remember if we know if they moved it up or not

[glacial crane]

i don't think so but considering how it leaked i have to assume it was always meant to release that day, my blood was weird cuz it was being teased alot through a commercial with an actual snippet

moral of the story is that i guess aside from every clancy single having advance notice we can't really pin how they're gonna do this...?

like the contract rollout was kinda a new thing to some degree, so we really have no clue they could go back to shadow drops, announce it some random day we dont expect, the day before, zero clue at this point but as far as we know the 4 week rule should still stand

sai was 3 weeks but that was just to get out the minumum of 3 singles i assume

[digital gyro]

now that I think abt it they're 100% gonna post tmrw

trust me

they've been posting something every Friday for the past month

[tawny wigeon]

it’s over 😭

[random pivot]

there is no way they announce something on a friday

[tawny wigeon]

😭

i’m so confused now maybe we’re not getting a single this soon

[random pivot]

unless it’s a shadowdrop

[wary dome]

At this point shadowdrop would be a great thing

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 3!

[lilac sandal]

Why are people so doubtful about a Friday announcement?

[night oar]

Not sure. I don’t think the fireworks posts are just coincidence though.

[blazing breach]

i had a dream about a pet black hole
and yeah don't think the fireworks were just a coincidence

anyway, we'll know in 3-4 hours

tired of waiting for something, and they're building suspense obviously for a reason so i'll just be happy when see the tweet notification

[night oar]

Maybe we will get something on 7/4 and 7/5. I am still sticking with 7/5 regardless. The letter that indicated TC release is 018 07 MOON 05. The file name is he_a_vy. Using the ROT13 cypher you get urnil or 21 18 14 9 12. Add them together and you get 74 or 7/4. Remember, false hope is still hope. 🙃

[blazing breach]

their last tweet is dated june 25
so today is the 9th day of silence
it's been over a week now

[night oar]

https://tenor.com/view/car-radio-twenty-one-pilots-and-now-i-just-sit-in-silence-silence-gif-5246465

[random pivot]

it’s not like the band posted it

it was just a random store tyler went to buy shit

unless i’m missing something

[lilac sandal]

They captioned their last post with something about fireworks

saying they don't bring them on tour, that's just Josh's energy

[random pivot]

i’ve never seen a single artist use a friday for an announcement

[night oar]

That in addition to the comments from Josh too though.

[lilac sandal]

happens all the time, it really just depends on the artist and context

[random pivot]

plus apparently 4th july people don’t work or whatever

[lilac sandal]

for example a label I follow always announces their new releases on Fridays

[random pivot]

give me an example please

[night oar]

I’ve never seen other artist do half the stuff that these guys do.

[random pivot]

genuine question btw

[lilac sandal]

that's not an easy question to answer though, it's one thing to have seen something before, and another to dig back and pick out a specific example out of all of the single releases I've ever seen over the course of multiple decades

I mean Geometric Lullaby is the label I'm referring to

but you could just say it doesn't count because they're a completely different genre and a smaller independent label

which is true

but I have seen it for bigger artists before, I also have industry experience and I know that while people tend to avoid the weekend for those kinds of announcements, it's not a hard rule

release days matter more, promo strats vary a lot

[blazing breach]

so today is 7th day since their latest post
and 9th day since their last tweet
7/9

[night oar]

If releasing new music on Friday’s is pretty standard, why wouldn’t you announce it on a Friday. Heck, you could announce it at 2:30 am on a Tuesday and we would show up.

[night oar]

But if that goes to tomorrow we are at 8/10!!!!!!

[blazing breach]

don't scare me

[random pivot]

well yeah i’m not saying it can’t happen i’m just saying in all the years ive been involved with this industry i haven’t seen a single artist do an announcement on a friday cause for marketing teams and pr is just a horrible decision you making an announcement on a friday just really depends on how much you hate your own team except your team suggested that first for whatever reasons

[random pivot]

yeah releasing for end of week sales but announcing when u gotta make a whole marketing move it’s just really off

again not saying it’s illegal just saying it’s not normal

plus it’s not any friday it is specifically july 4th which apparently is important af for americans or whatever

[lilac sandal]

I don't understand why you think it's such a big deal. It depends on how big the announcement is but in a lot of cases, especially just for a single, it's just 2-3 social media posts and done. It's really just about reach in those cases and the reach on a Friday is only slightly worse than other days in the week

they can even schedule the posts if they don't want to have to actively be involved with it on that day

[random pivot]

cause it kinda is a big deal

not for the band for the label

but again if they don’t care they can very well do it

[night oar]

We take the day off and grill our food outside and watch fireworks at night. Mostly a day to relax

[random pivot]

again it’s a big artist realistically they can announce it whenever hey want and it’ll have reach

[random pivot]

yeye thats why im saying its unlikely

thing is if i’m wrong im still winning cause we get the song announcement

[pastel shadow]

they'll have

[blazing breach]

it could happen today
in am or pm, what do you think?

[lilac sandal]

I think the 4th makes it a lot less likely than simply being a Friday

but I also think they're likely to break the silence soon, going completely silent only 2 weeks after the lead single release is kind of weird

[night oar]

Of course! I’m hoping my two days in a row theory holds water. We’ll know soon enough.

[lilac sandal]

it makes sense for some time because they need to let people change focus from the old single to anticipating the new one

[random pivot]

single is dropping next week either way i know that for a fact

[lilac sandal]

but too much longer and it risks losing people's attention instead, especially people who aren't so tuned in as most people here

I wonder if we'll get a production peak for The Contract

[blazing breach]

the silence means something big is coming, i guess

[finite tundra]

I think they aren't gonna tease track 2. I can see them throwing it at us and running like they did with levitate in the trench days

[blazing breach]

it'd be greatful if they do another arg

[random pivot]

i was heavily convinced wednesday was the day, so now this seems like the strongest possibility ig

[night oar]

It has been awhile though. I guess by track two, at least we’ll know all we hear comes from a place

[night oar]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-tyler-clancy-popcorn-gif-5951078545940080820

Meanwhile in the TØP discord server…

[finite tundra]

Yeah. They always don't seem to tease the second single all that much if any before dropping it

Choker got a teaser like 2 days before it coming out iirc and I don't think we would have gotten anything for next semester if it wasn't for the video that person took on the set that got out

[naive hemlock]

what fireworks??

[naive hemlock]

i love this gif so much

[blazing breach]

pilots' instagram post dated june 27

[naive hemlock]

Ah that could definitely have been a hint

new single at 10am trust

[sharp crow]

I'm still so sus of the picture discs because like what are they hiding on there that they can't show rn

[tawny wigeon]

day number whatever of clowning

[random pivot]

nothing will happen till like tuesday at least

[blazing breach]

too long

[keen oak]

nope 😭

but the full song is dropping at noon

[naive hemlock]

🤫 i’m actually in central time so 10 is in 3 minutes

[naive hemlock]

exactly

[keen oak]

i need the tracklist to be announced and a new song to listen to 😭

[naive hemlock]

1 minute guys

[keen oak]

like why not drop the whole album early bc everyone would like listen to it🤷‍♂️

[keen oak]

PLEASE

[naive hemlock]

nope nothing dangit

[lilac sandal]

I doubt it'll be such a precise time, they're kinda random usually

[keen oak]

isn't everything technically speaking a precise time ☝️🤓

they're dropping in 5mins, 10sec, and 7milliseconds trusttttt

twenty one pilots - Breach | Banquet Records https://share.google/pL48PO9b2NP42pIYG

THIS SCREENSHOT IS FROM TODAY, THE TRACKLIST IS BACK UP BABY

[blazing breach]

wha

are they kidding, or is this a sign of things to come

[keen oak]

IDK BUT ITS BACK UP SO IM HYPED

[blazing breach]

they've been removing the tracklist
it's confirmed

[naive hemlock]

so maybe they will release the track list todat

[keen oak]

maybe??

[keen oak]

@bronze lagoon

[blazing breach]

LIKE WHAT

through cryptic thing?

i don't believe they're just gonna write a tracklist

[loud sluice]

PLS PLS PLS single announcement today

[naive hemlock]

no but the fact that the other source has put back up the track list leads me to believe that they have been given confirmation, which probably wouldn’t happen unless they are planning on announcing it soon

[keen oak]

WHY would the record store take it down AND put it back up

that's just absurd

[celest gyro]

mojib said something minor was coming this week. an official tracklist reveal would be minor honestly compared to like new music

[blazing breach]

ARE YOU KIDDING IT'S NOT A MINOR

[keen oak]

i agree

[celest gyro]

compared to new music. it definitely is

[keen oak]

wouldn't you be underwhelmed if you got a tracklist reveal today but no new music?

but you wouldn't be underwhelmed if you just got a new song and no tracklist

[celest gyro]

yea exactly

[blazing breach]

i wouldn't be overwhelmed because it'd confirm the names of songs i really liked

[gentle rose]

AGAIN?! Wait is this banquet records again

Oh it is

[lament pendant]

Seems like it didn’t go back up today…

[gentle rose]

Wait so this has been up for days? That’s weird

[lament pendant]

I feel like someone would’ve noticed but 🤷🏻‍♂️

[blazing breach]

time to mail them again

[gentle rose]

Well the second someone notices, someone takes it down so let’s watch for it just in case that happens

[keen oak]

there's only one person saying that

[lament pendant]

Idk it’s just odd. This whole tracklist thing is odd.

[keen oak]

Yeah the fact that it exists is also odd, we don't really know where it came from

[cobalt fiber]

i see it was up on the 27th, but thats the latest snapshot
https://web.archive.org/web/20250627122441/https://www.banquetrecords.com/twenty-one-pilots/breach/0075678594670

[keen oak]

I know Urban Outfitters but like there's no proof as to where that image is from

[gentle rose]

Fr like this is the third time we’ve gotten semi-proof of the tracklist like it’s weird

[celest gyro]

ngl getting a 14 song album just a little over a year after the last one seems insanely generous

but i love it

[gentle rose]

Well they usually cut out songs sometimes so maybe they’re taking songs that didn’t make Clancy and finishing them for Breach

[keen oak]

i hate getting semi proof someone confirm this thing!!!
I wish that if it isn't real Mark just comes out and is like "Yeah that tracklist that's floating around is gosh darn baloney" in Mark fashion

[cobalt fiber]

14 songs seems like a lot but if its a 1lp then its 48 minutes of music at most which doesnt seem too crazy, clancy was already a bit on the shorter end

[lament pendant]

Well who knows how many of those were intended for Clancy, I’d predict maybe 6 to 8? Which leaves 6 to 8 new songs…

[random pivot]

oh wow

[celest gyro]

yea thats true

[keen oak]

give me blue wire 😭

[gentle rose]

Give me Blindfold

[celest gyro]

yea but writing songs is definitely time consuming. a 3 min song could end up taking maybe 1 month to finish

[hollow agate]

if it really is real this has got to be the weirdest leak i've ever seen

[keen oak]

imagine the tracklist is debunked and we have to give up the names we are already attached to

[oak dome]

i remember all of you who doubted this damn tracklist.

[stiff fable]

drag path

[keen oak]

yeah

[random pivot]

could never be me

[celest gyro]

Clancy's tracklist leak was weirder

[oak dome]

i was fighting for my life in here

[keen oak]

im a truther from Urban Outfitters bro when Dema dropped that vid

[gentle rose]

Once again, I apologize for doubting drag path

[oak dome]

they wanted to execute me .

[keen oak]

the heck is Vignette supposed to mean and why we going Swifty with (Jenna's Version)

[stiff fable]

the list of drag path deniers is hundredfold, however I shall not be a prick about it to anyone

[hollow agate]

this one has gone on for much longer without confirmation though

[celest gyro]

real lmaooooo

[gentle rose]

I still think it’s weird to reveal lyrics a year before tho

[stiff fable]

I highly doubt that’s the whole song finished

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[oak dome]

oh i will

[stiff fable]

But also even if it is, look at jumpsuit lyrics. Very short and repetitive but BANGER

[gentle rose]

REAL

[cobalt fiber]

Theyve had plenty of time to work on this album though, they always planned to follow up Clancy with more music so even being generous and saying they started the day Clancy released and not any time before they’ve had over a year to make the album- and we know it only took a year to make Clancy so it’s not too far off

[stiff fable]

so those could be the finalized lyrics and it can still be amazing

[hollow agate]

honestly the tracklist itself always sounded the legit but the circumstances behind it have just been so wild 😭

[keen oak]

WHEN this gets confirmed lets || raid Josh Dun's house||

[cobalt fiber]

Same timeline as BF and Trench also which were longer albums

[keen oak]

real 😭

[gentle rose]

And whatever the next single is, we will expect something “fucking awesome” per mojib’s words. Bro didn’t say anything about how the contract was and it slapped, so this next one might be a game changer fr

[lament pendant]

I still think there’s a possibility there’s some pieces of that album they worked on in 2019 in this new album…

[keen oak]

definitely

some scrapped from that def got moved here

[random pivot]

just based on song title only drag path to me sounded like levitate part 2 but actually hell yeah i hope it’s a heavy jumpsuit like track

i doubt the lyrics they already gave us are the final ones tho

[gentle rose]

Dude graffiti is the levitate part 2 just cause of that lyric in levitate

[cobalt fiber]

If they were able to make blurryface during a year of nonstop touring for vessel then making a follow up to Clancy that’s shorter than BF in more than a year with significantly more breaks seems very doable

[keen oak]

i feel like drag path is gonna be neon gravestones esk

[stiff fable]

This whole record gonna be game changing let’s be honest. Clancy was phenomenal but I guarantee they saved the best for last. They used Clancy as a way to release tracks that were personal to them (oldies, atrofd, the craving, etc) but not the best of the best. This will be a generational record that could possibly meet Blurryface’s commercial success

[keen oak]

I think graffiti is gonna be a slower sound imo

like routines in the night tempo wise

[gentle rose]

I doubt it’ll be super commercially acclaimed but critically, for sure

[stiff fable]

Idk man it could be

[lament pendant]

Do you feel at home? Being the final track still gives me piano ballad closer and god pleaseeee

[gentle rose]

Fr

[keen oak]

I hope this reaches Blurryface success. let my little men from ohio get big again and win another grammy in their underpants

[lament pendant]

LTC 2

[keen oak]

REAL BRO LEAVE THE CITY PT 2

[stiff fable]

LTC + Paladin = Do You Feel At Home?

[keen oak]

AND IS THIS REALLY YOU IS BANDITO PT 2

[hollow agate]

i'm fr scared about the closing track for this album we are not coming out of it alive i fear

[celest gyro]

well yea its very obvious that Tyler wrote Breach while writing Clancy. and they say Clancy took a year, but i highly doubt Tyler started from scratch at the beginning of the year. cause songwriters and producers never really stop writing. if they have an idea, they put it down. when they say it took a year for Clancy, that probably just means they knew how to go about this next album. Tyler definitely wrote some within that year, but theres also a very high chance he went back to older demos

[lament pendant]

ugh the massive sound of paladin with the ending of Ltc would make me cry so hard.

[random pivot]

i honestly don’t see this album having a lot of slow soft moments till the end chunk it’s the end of the whole narrative and lorewise we at a really aggressive moment so i expect the first half of breach to just be non stop explosive grittiness and drag path is in the first half iirc

[gentle rose]

If any character were to die in Breach, I honestly see torchbearer going

[random pivot]

and also the lyrics dont really give slow sad song

[keen oak]

Im a banditoooo - Clancy

is this really you?- TB

[gentle rose]

YES

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-dont-just-dont-stop-gif-23310589

[keen oak]

HOLD UP JOSH VOCALS IN IS THIS REALLY YOU????

[hollow agate]

no way anyone dies in this story it would defeat the whole purpose

[celest gyro]

where did this come from? 😭

[lament pendant]

Yall… https://www.pop-music.ca/twenty-one-pilots-breach-exclusive-blue-vinyl.html

It’s showing up in other places.

[random pivot]

i’d honestly be surprised if anyone at all died ngl

[lament pendant]

But this is a shortened tracklist….11 tracks?

[random pivot]

cause if they died who tf is supposed to play music on the show

[celest gyro]

12:00 is the official tracklist reveal. im calling it

[gentle rose]

Wait hold up I don’t see anything there what is it

[random pivot]

wait i dont see it

[keen oak]

no no no no no NO NO NO NOOOOOO!!!!

[lament pendant]

You gotta like scroll

[sharp hare]

GUYS THEY LITERALLY SAID THE CONTRACT IS THE FIRST SONG ON BREACH

[hollow agate]

wtf is happeninggggg!!!!!

[lament pendant]

It’s weirdly windowed..

[cobalt fiber]

If you think they did that for Clancy what’s different about breach that makes you think they wouldn’t do it here too? Since it was always planned as a follow to Clancy I’d guess around half of it was at the very least conceptualized and being worked on when they dropped Clancy- which gives them almost a year and a half to finish any other songs on the album + any reuse of demos and old ideas. Really doesn’t seem like too tight of a time frame to make the follow up

[sharp hare]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[random pivot]

i scrolled all the way down and i don’t see it

[gentle rose]

I still don’t see it what is it

[keen oak]

NO THIS IS FAKE!!!

PLEASE

[random pivot]

"rent" this the wikipedia one

[gentle rose]

Oh wait that thing? Man that’s fake asf

[tawny wigeon]

how does the tracklist being back up confirm anything??

[random pivot]

yup

[hollow agate]

i'm so confused like what is going onnn with this tracklist 😭

[lament pendant]

Okay nevermind guys idk what the hell some of these stores are doing rn

[hollow agate]

can they give us an official announcement and put us out of our misery pleaseeee

[tawny wigeon]

fr

[keen oak]

i hate this i can't lose blue wire this actually might make me sad

[gentle rose]

If in any screwed up universe it turns out to be real, purely cause blindfold track 1 would fulfill my wishes, but it’s just not gonna happen, the banquet records one has to be the true one

[tawny wigeon]

we need smth today WE NEED SMTH

[random pivot]

seeing this clearly fake tracklist is also making me question the other one cause how tf does this even reach a store

[naive hemlock]

AYYY 11 SONG TRACKLIST I KNEW IT

[celest gyro]

well yea im literally agreeing with you 💀 im just saying them working on "Clancy" for only a year definitely isnt true. Tyler's constantly writing and definitely went back to older stuff

[tawny wigeon]

its not confirmed

[tawny wigeon]

where's this from??

[sharp hare]

its so obviously fake lmao

[random pivot]

there is no way this is the one

[gentle rose]

I kinda think this 11 song tracklist is only showing up cause the store thought the Wikipedia tracklist was confirmed

[tawny wigeon]

its gotta be fake lol its just a random combination of the other songs

[random pivot]

"nothing about me" and no is this really you?

[lament pendant]

I sent a link if you scroll up, some store in Canada apparently cause the .ca link

[naive hemlock]

Why would a store post a third unconfirmed tracklist if they have no idea what they’re doing

[sharp hare]

they're dumb

[hollow agate]

how does a fake tracklist even end up in a listing like this i-

[gentle rose]

They probably thought the Wikipedia one was confirmed when it’s not

[random pivot]

the other store has the 14 tracks tracklist

[sharp hare]

woah controversyy lol

[naive hemlock]

oh is that the one that they posted 💀💀

[gentle rose]

Lmao yeah

[hollow agate]

everything about this is so WEIRD

[cursive river]

older individuals sometimes have a hard time distinguishing credible news sources

[keen oak]

The Contract being the first single but Track SEVEN makes no sense

[tawny wigeon]

not rlly..

[thin copper]

and we thought Clancy's roll out was weird

[gentle rose]

Lowk I just wanna ignore this 11 song tracklist it’s obviously fake

[naive hemlock]

adihgrtnsnd theory is real guys

[random pivot]

they literally said FIRST SONG from breach

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s why this dumbass 11 song one is fake

[celest gyro]

they said the same about Shy Away lol

[lament pendant]

I’m gonna be honest some intern or something probably posted this tracklist for no reason.

[fresh quiver]

mojib said its 12+ tracks so it’s not 11

[gentle rose]

Yeah that too

[thin copper]

also why would they make The Contract kinda following up Paladin Strait but then it's like only in the middle of the album?
it doesn't make sense

[tawny wigeon]

idek if hes real anymore ngl

[random pivot]

exactly

[sharp hare]

Exactly, and mojib already said its more than 12 tracks

[gentle rose]

An excellent point

[keen oak]

where's the song that starts with A

[tawny wigeon]

if nothing happens this week then he is fake or has no idea whats going on 100%

[sharp hare]

0 reason to doubt him lol

[gentle rose]

At the risk of feeling dumb

[keen oak]

Yup

[naive hemlock]

Athe contract

[random pivot]

i get this but mojib has been a trustworthy source for 15+ years

[tawny wigeon]

true but like...

[cursive river]

plot twist, contract is near the end where Clancy betrays TB and they all perish

[lament pendant]

Adrag path.

[tawny wigeon]

he said smth is happening this week

[naive hemlock]

that’s why there’s some anathema references in there cause it’s all connected

[gentle rose]

This week as in what dates

[celest gyro]

not every "leak" is a winner. things happen behind the scenes unexpectedly

[tawny wigeon]

last week he said next week

[keen oak]

I think they were serious when they said the keyboard spam meant nothing guys 😭

[tawny wigeon]

yeah thats why im saying he migh tnot be 100% aware

[gentle rose]

So the week of July 6 aka hiatus return week

[tawny wigeon]

no i think he meant this week

[keen oak]

can we get this on confirmed fake or no?

since technically nothing is confirmed lol 😭

[gentle rose]

You sure? What exactly did he say

[random pivot]

mojib meant to say he had a small announcement himself about the album not that the band would do something explicitly he said this before fbr got into the chat so clearly he couldn’t say what he was going to anymore

[tawny wigeon]

ill find the message

[lilac sandal]

"I have something minor for next week" or smth like that

[tawny wigeon]

what did bro mean by this

[gentle rose]

What does that have to do with Breach if he didn’t say anything’s

[cobalt fiber]

Damn I was too slow

[keen oak]

shoot now look at what google says

[naive hemlock]

5th album leak???

[celest gyro]

i have a feeling they made mojib sign an NDA lol

[keen oak]

it could be A blindfold???

[lilac sandal]

it was in the TOP channel when asked about Breach stuff

[stiff fable]

for the love of all things sacred and holy

[gentle rose]

This guy is confusing as hell

[tawny wigeon]

he keeps saying that things are out there, we just need to look

[naive hemlock]

ADIHGRTNSND LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[fresh quiver]

ima crash out man i can’t take this anymore

[keen oak]

I WANT BLUE WIRE THOUGH

[tawny wigeon]

wtf

[gentle rose]

Omfg this is fake bro

[lament pendant]

I hate keysmash so much.

[gentle rose]

Me too

[pseudo oyster]

fake

[tawny wigeon]

bro 😭

[sharp hare]

JFC I can't wait for the real tracklist to come out and disprove all of this bullshittery

[lament pendant]

Why is it A blindfold

[hollow agate]

maybe if we stop caring about the tracklist they will announce it faster

[naive hemlock]

that will be in the deluxe 3 tracks to finish the lore after the breach tour is done

[lament pendant]

Mannn wtf

[tawny wigeon]

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHATS REAL AHHH

[gentle rose]

To fit into the fucking keysmash like omg

[pseudo oyster]

man google tells people with homicidal thoughts to kill someone so

[lament pendant]

Whoever lowered the cooldown time to 5 seconds thank you

[celest gyro]

if its an 11 song album, 3 singles make sense like mojib said

[gentle rose]

TOP JUST ANNOUNCE THE TRACKLIST PUT US OUT OF OUR MISERY

[stiff fable]

idk who did that but it’s supposed to be 10

[lament pendant]

oh…………….

[pseudo oyster]

i'm not a fan of keysmash😓

[tawny wigeon]

CAN THEY JUST ANNOUNCE SMTH 😭

[keen oak]

LITERALLY THE OTHER DAY IT ONLY HAD ONES FROM THE TRACKLIST WE KNEW, NOW THERE'S ANOTHER ONE 😭

[random pivot]

it can’t be the 11 tracks long one we already know it is at least 12 😭

[gentle rose]

Exactly

[hollow agate]

they fr have to say something i cant take this much longer lol

[tawny wigeon]

IS THERE SMTH WE'RE MISSING??? 😭

[gentle rose]

Me neither

[celest gyro]

i read that in Chester Bennington's voice lol (iykyk)

[blazing breach]

maybe something at noon

[keen oak]

but where did google get this and why is it there and on the canadian record site

[pseudo oyster]

the band literally said the contract is the first song of breach which means it's the opener

[keen oak]

please

[cursive river]

Google won’t provide a source of where they got it for me

[random pivot]

some funny ass dude put that playlist up in wikipedia some days ago

[naive hemlock]

why would he make a message that means nothing the day that he released overcompensate… it has to mean something and this makes perfect sense, it’s a year early teaser just like when he tweeted “the line. ❤️”

[cobalt fiber]

Google will pull responses from any site, that could literally be from a Reddit comment lol

[tawny wigeon]

10 MINS MAYBE!

[gentle rose]

12 minutes, please for the love of god TOP put us out of our misery

[celest gyro]

with FBR joining mojib's server, i wouldnt be surprised if they told mojib false info lol

[tawny wigeon]

if nothing happens today, im moving to dema

[pseudo oyster]

but then why would he say the contract is the first song on breach

[keen oak]

good point 😂

but why SPECIFICALLY that source

[blazing breach]

😭 😭

[naive hemlock]

Does the contract sound like an album opener to you? it doesn’t to me

[random pivot]

it does

[keen oak]

peak comment

[naive hemlock]

He lies. Tyler joseph LIES

[pseudo oyster]

it does to me especially since the music video follows the lore

[hollow agate]

because he's evil. hope that helps

[tawny wigeon]

yes it does

[cursive river]

jokes on you I already live there ):

[naive hemlock]

let’s look at the mess of lore order that trench is for a minute

[gentle rose]

Ok I’m lowk getting desperate for TOP to just make us go crazy in 10 minutes

[celest gyro]

it does to me, but a lot of their songs sound like album openers even if they arent one

[cobalt fiber]

It’s a bit off for a typical album opener, but as a continuation after a cliffhanger? Yeah I think it works.

[gentle rose]

You forget tho, Breach was never supposed to be its own album, just an extension of Clancy so of course it doesn’t sound like an opener

[tawny wigeon]

this whole week we've all been desparate for smth

[keen oak]

plot twist: both tracklists are right (17 > 12)

[pseudo oyster]

unless there's proof that it is the keysmash, which the band account saying it is the opener kinda falsifies that, i'm not believing it

[thin copper]

it does sound like the start of a part 2

[naive hemlock]

I think it could work as an opener but i still don’t think it IS an opener

[naive hemlock]

was the big boy text really necessary

[lilac sandal]

not possible, the Wikipedia one calls Blindfold "A Blindfold"

[keen oak]

yes

[lilac sandal]

they're not going to use two names for the same song

[random pivot]

to me it fits perfectly after paladin strait when playing clancy and breach together

[thin copper]

it works really well in this context

[gentle rose]

Agreed, even the music video meshes them both together

[pseudo oyster]

they'd say the first song from breach if it wasn't the opener, but they said first song ON breach

[cobalt fiber]

Afaik they’ve only called the contract “the first song from breach” which is also what they called shy away, so it just means it’s the first song they’re showing us from breach. Although if the tracklist is to be believed it’s probably the opener, and works okay in that spot

[gentle rose]

I like this thinking

[thin copper]

idk why there's still an argument about that, it is the opener and that's it
it's literally confirmed

[random pivot]

exactly, shy away they didn’t day first song on sai, they said first song FROM sai

[gentle rose]

Read chat above

[keen oak]

I really hope that isn't the name but that would fit the keysmash theory (which i HATE and should be deconfirmed bc they said they weren't planning on making another lore album then😭)

[finite totem]

I was gonna say, there's no way The Contract isn't gonna be the first track, unless TOP intends to breach our trust again

[lilac sandal]

Both tracklists inherently discredit each other but the UO version came first so if either is real, it'll be that one

[random pivot]

this is physically impossible, yall took the interview way too literal 😭😭😭 (the not having a whole album planned at that point thing)

[thin copper]

it just wouldn't make sense for The Contract not to be the first track

[cobalt fiber]

Again, that’s what they called shy away. The wording here doesn’t actually state if it’s the opener or not. Although I would probably expect it to be 😭

[blazing breach]

I STAND WITH THE UO TRACKLIST

[lilac sandal]

Did they say "on" instead of "from" for Shy Away?

[keen oak]

if only Tyler was straightforward

[naive hemlock]

guys just calm down for 7 minutes and see if they say anything

[cursive river]

I’m sorry, does this genuinely imply you are a double album denier? Because it’s pretty clear cut and dry that this is the second half of the lore from Clancy

[lament pendant]

I’m half and half on the UO tracklist.

[random pivot]

let’s be real nothing is happening today

[keen oak]

more like 7 minutes until we have to wait another hour for them possibly to make an announcement

[gentle rose]

6 minutes, and it’ll be the least calm of our lives

[tawny wigeon]

NOOO POSITIVE MINDSET

[main knoll]

I looked this up a little bit ago, I think it said “from.” Pls hold

[lilac sandal]

I'm checking too

[lament pendant]

Finally someone with some sense ugh. (/j /s)

[naive hemlock]

i don’t think so either but no reason to argue if they are going to announce it in 5 minutes anyways

[loud sluice]

i wonder whats the cover of clancy + breach (if that exist), maybe we got a new cover

[keen oak]

yeah good point. i think im understanding the zane lowe interview incorrectly lol

[random pivot]

i could swear on my mom they said from instead of on with shy away

[cursive river]

it’s okay, I just wanted to clarify 🤙

[random pivot]

see the wording is key

they said from

[keen oak]

that is very clearly spoken Tyler, if only you TALKED LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME 😭😭😭

[pseudo oyster]

the first song ON breach vs the first song we're sharing FROM sai

[tawny wigeon]

4 MINUTES!

[keen oak]

the first song we're sharing makes it obvious it isn't necessarily the opener

[hollow agate]

until nothing happens

[keen oak]

why tøp trying to mislead us all the time bruh

[pseudo oyster]

but they didn't say the first song we're sharing for the contract

[random pivot]

yeah exactly

[keen oak]

exactly

[thin copper]

The Contract is the opener omg

[random pivot]

we been knowing

[tawny wigeon]

which means its the opener

[cursive river]

the horses drink at last /lh

[thin copper]

why is there even still an argument about that

[lament pendant]

Not mad about the contract not having a big opener vibe to it since if you combine Clancy and breach it’ll sound like one massive final album. OC is the big climactic opener to this final leg.

[tawny wigeon]

guys, why would they put the continuation of paladin in the middle of the album??

[thin copper]

it literally has a part 2 opener vibe

[random pivot]

imo the contract is a way better opener than overcompensate (to my personal liking) so

[thin copper]

fucking obviously it isn't gonna sound like a full-on new era opener

[lilac sandal]

I think The Contract opener deniers just don't want it to be the case because they don't feel like it sounds like an opening

not that there's any strong evidence that it's not

[hollow agate]

RIGHT

[lilac sandal]

It even kinda parallels the HDS sound which is the Blurryface opener

[naive hemlock]

it’s not a continuation of paladin though, you can literally see that
#1 the key that the mv ends on is not how The Contrsct Starts
#2. Both music videos end at the EXACT SAME PLACE

the contract is just an explanation of paladin imo

[keen oak]

idek if this should be considered a new era... it is but isn't at the same time

[tawny wigeon]

what? yes it is a continuation

[lament pendant]

Woah that’s a bit aggressive 😭 I’m not trying to argue anything…

[lilac sandal]

I'd still say it's a continuation because its video is meant to be seen after Paladin's

[main knoll]

I agree that I think this is the reason

[random pivot]

see but i don’t understand to me the contract is exactly what a top album opener should be, heavy, explosive, in your face, and yes if you couldn’t tell im a jumpsuit rider

[cursive river]

one minute, friends

[tawny wigeon]

the contract shows us what happens during clancy closing his eyes, THEREFORE CONTINUING paladin strait

[pseudo oyster]

if it wasn' a continuation then why would it be the first single starting where the last music video end, if therre was another continuation wouldn't they release that first?

[stiff fable]

clown o’clock in 10 seconds

[gentle rose]

Exactly

[finite totem]

Trench 2.0

[gentle rose]

And cue nothing

[keen oak]

TYLER ROBERT JOSEPH AND JOSHUA WILLIAM DUN, PLEASE OPEN THE SLITS IN OUR FACES AND REVEAL THE FREAKING TRACKLIST

[random pivot]

the contract is the song that has got me to feel the closest i did to what i felt with jumpsuit on first listen

[tawny wigeon]

WE CLOWNED AGAIN HAHA

[pseudo oyster]

it's like the sequel of a movie, if it ends on a cliffhanger would the sequel start at the end and then go to the cliffhanger?

[hollow agate]

it's overrrr

[main knoll]

I think The Contract has less of a build to it at the beginning which we’ve sorta come to expect from a concert opener. But I’m on the train that Overcomp is still gonna open the concerts so it’s not a big deal that The Contract doesn’t have a big lead-up

[upbeat willow]

we are cooked

[tawny wigeon]

😭😭😭😭

[gentle rose]

And this is what I said, it’s a holiday, why would they post on a holiday

[tawny wigeon]

guys i think its time to pack up and try again next week

[thin copper]

i was agreeing with you, i was not being agressive towards you in particular, im sorry

[random pivot]

i’m on hater mode since they didn’t announce on wednesday so

[loud sluice]

it can be like trench, levitate mv is after nico and the niners

[lament pendant]

It’s okay, the word “fucking” caught me off guard which is not usual cause I, am a professional potty mouth extraordinaire. Thank you for clarifying.

[loud sluice]

but i still believ the contract is the first track

[finite totem]

Should I ask the totally real Tyler on a specific app if anything's getting announced today? (joke obviously)

[ebon bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ihykeon-lebron-james-leaving-packing-up-walking-away-gif-23077928

[tawny wigeon]

i hate this band

[gentle rose]

No cause he just won’t respond

[tawny wigeon]

jokes

but still COME ONNN I NEED SMTH

[lament pendant]

Hey uhhh, Nick?

[stiff fable]

hey so let’s not be ableist

[keen oak]

GUYS WE HAVE LIKE 10 MINUTES BC THEY NEVER POST RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR

[tawny wigeon]

coping hard rn

[pseudo oyster]

ableism over keysmash is wild😭

[thin copper]

Breach is not meant to be a new era, The Contract is not meant to be a real opener like Jumpsuit or Overcompensate, i think it's more like resuming from where we were, and continuing from that point

[fresh quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-we-question-we-whos-we-im-out-keep-me-out-gif-5099419772869883544

[gentle rose]

Never at the top of the hour huh? They posted the 24 hours until the contract at noon exactly

[stiff fable]

that makes no sense

[lament pendant]

Horrible cover story

[random pivot]

i can assure you yall will all be happier if you just wait till next week atp

[stiff fable]

anyways I’m deleting that

[tawny wigeon]

bro is awful at lying

[keen oak]

I'm trying to be hopeful

[stiff fable]

moving on

[lament pendant]

Omg when

[hallow mulch]

they’re gonna post when we’ve all lost hope and are distracted

[keen oak]

get out 🗣️

[lament pendant]

MOVING ON.

[blazing breach]

they're watching

[cobalt fiber]

I do think the contract is gonna be the opener but I don’t think this really comes into play, the positioning of the lore tracks on BF, Trench, and SAI are all out of order chronologically so there’s no real reason to expect the tracklist to go in any particular order purely because it’s the lore follow up

[tawny wigeon]

ok NEXT THEORY: NEXT WEDNESDAY?

[blazing breach]

😭

[keen oak]

nah 1pm est 🙏

[hallow mulch]

my theory rn is they will post somewhere this year!

[lament pendant]

I’m personally expecting Tuesday announcement with Thursday release

[cobalt fiber]

I think the wording in the tweet is stronger evidence that it purely being a continuation here

[random pivot]

this what i’ve been saying, they’ll announce next wednesday and drop it on thursday

[finite totem]

They will hopefully post this week

[tawny wigeon]

guys, imagine we get no singles until september (ik its not happening but imagine)

[random pivot]

if they wanna kill their album ig they could do it

[lament pendant]

Part of me wouldn’t be mad cause literally all new songs but part of me would cause holy wait

[pseudo oyster]

invalid theory, hiatus 2.0

[main knoll]

I think the longer the time that stretches in between The Contract and whatever we have next, the greater chance there is of a double single drop (I’m delusional)

[celest gyro]

the truth ppl arent ready to hear lol

[oak dome]

oh so now y’all believing the tracklist ? #stayonTHATside

[lament pendant]

Imma join you on this (I’m also delusional)

[keen oak]

imagine they meant september 2026

[finite totem]

Nah, I think they know exactly what they're doing for promo

[tawny wigeon]

3pm, 6pm, 8pm?? NEXT POTENTIAL TIMES?

im coping

[keen oak]

midnight

[lament pendant]

6:25 pm cmon guys it’s RIGHT THERE

[oak dome]

did sumn happen or y’all jus tripping as usual

[keen oak]

we need mojib to just tell us and delete the comment after a minute so he never said anything rightttt?

[fresh quiver]

06/25/2525 release date guys

[celest gyro]

they're trippin

[cobalt fiber]

I do understand what they mean, the contract is technically taking place during paladin and serves as a flashback, but at the same time for storytelling purposes and for release purposes it is the follow up despite not taking place after paladin chronologically

[tawny wigeon]

im spam pinging mojib idc

[smoky tangle]

Don't

[oak dome]

do NOT do that

[tawny wigeon]

IM JOKINGGG

[lament pendant]

Please don’t 🙏🏻

[random pivot]

exactly

[tawny wigeon]

even mojib is too cryptic

[celest gyro]

now thats called being an ass lmao

[lament pendant]

Okay good 😭

[fresh quiver]

listen to gort

[loud sluice]

the three cursed numbers

[finite totem]

63 days max til new music drops

[hallow mulch]

i cant survive that

[lament pendant]

Ngl it feels like it’s going by fast idk why

[finite totem]

Just 9 weeks

[tawny wigeon]

AGREED

[hallow mulch]

“just” 👎👎👎👎

[tawny wigeon]

its going so fast I CANT WAIT

[main knoll]

Hm I mean yeah that’s a good point, 9 weeks feels like a long time but also it feels wild to me that it’s already been 3 weeks since The Contract has been out

[stone flame]

just 3 weeks…

[blazing breach]

weeks feel like days

[finite totem]

This summer's gonna be fun

[keen oak]

THE ANNOUNCENT!!! Breach Twenty One Pilots Album || 2025 Loafer Shoes - Bipubunny Store https://share.google/r502ZL84mNLd5GsnI||

[digital gyro]

not official

BTW if it's not today, then monday

[upbeat willow]

Mark’s online again

[oak dome]

he’s just chilling

[pseudo oyster]

heard you say.....

[blazing breach]

nothing for today

nothing for tomorrow

[gentle rose]

You sure?

[keen oak]

nah its totally official

[prime sparrow]

these are the worse times..

I am no longer a sane citizen

I am a threat to society..

[gentle rose]

You mean sane?

[digital gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1045309080069214244/1351886351997341798/togif-90-2.gif

[wary dome]

Nothing… right?

[prime sparrow]

yes

[digital gyro]

if not 2, then 2:30, if not 2:30, then 3, if not 3, then 3:30, if not 3:30, then 4, if not 4, then 4:30, if not 4:30, then 5, if not 5, then 5:30...

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-crazy-family-guy-insomnia-straitjacket-gif-11617438

wait guys

its going to be around 3-3:10

[fresh quiver]

oh for sure let me just

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-cya-bye-see-ya-see-you-gif-21570900

[wary dome]

Me after waiting for new single

[random pivot]

they must know how much buzz we got going on rn right?

[tawny wigeon]

they definitely do

i think it’s next week now i give up today

this is the highest level of clowning

[random pivot]

i wish

[keen oak]

Level of Clowning (parody of Level of Concern)

they didn't tell us the level of clowning and walked by like they never announced an album. they could bring down their level of clowning. just need them to drop a fricken song drop the whole tracklist

panic on the brain, Tyler's gone insane, no announcement for a new song

[blazing breach]

iirc they went into a week of silence before the overcompensate release?

[digital gyro]

alr i give up

[blazing breach]

what we were supposed to dig according to mojib's advice 😭

was it really just banquet records

[gentle rose]

I don’t wanna it’s too much work

[blazing breach]

and WHY he wrote it with the capital D

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s weird

[blazing breach]

Dig(ital Remains)

NOT AGAIN PLEASE

[gentle rose]

Come on we spent the last year on that shit

TOP just announce something like you announced Breach

[blazing breach]

really
breach that silence

[blazing breach]

if Dig was about digital remains, then maybe the next single is either drag path or graffiti

drag path (devil's eyes) sounds SO GOOD for a single

[thin copper]

Drag Path needs to be released

[blazing breach]

and continues that eyes theme actually

[gentle rose]

What about flowers tho, especially cause of the thing where we clicked on the website image and saw that title, it just gives off “impending single”

[thin copper]

it just makes so much sense

[blazing breach]

a possibility, too

[gentle rose]

And also ofc cause it’s track 2 in the leaked tracklist

[blazing breach]

but it's not confirmed😭

curious, if the uo tracklist is real, did tyler get mad when he saw it leaked online early?

[gentle rose]

Tyler as per usual isn’t saying anything

[gentle rose]

It was on a supposedly reliable record store website, now how would that happen

[blazing breach]

idk

[sharp hare]

It'd be pretty easy for them to google "Breach tracklist" and just use the first one that pops up, not knowing it was fake

[blazing breach]

banquet records firstly attached this tracklist to the breach page, then deleted it, then RETURNED it

[gentle rose]

It’s not like the tracklist has any obviously fake sounding titles

[sharp hare]

omg i need the real tracklist to come out and debunk all of these fake tracklists now plsss, im so tired of discussing fake leaksss, i wanna talk about real stuff

i'm honestly just bitter cuz i thought the second single would be announced already, its driving me insane

[blazing breach]

and also we kind of don't know where exactly this picture came from
could tyler have leaked it on his own

[thin copper]

i bet it's either gonna shadow drop or they'll announce it like 24 hours before release

[sharp hare]

tyler isnt leaking anything. the band isn't leaking anything. blurryface is probably not gonna leak anything. that happened like once ten years ago and never again. anything coming out right now is 99.9999% guaranteed to be fake until its officially announced or completely indisputable

[blazing breach]

by the whitish ghosting around the elements it can be deduced that a sharpening effect has been applied to the image

[sharp hare]

this is what I'm starting to believe too. but ig we'll see. we always look for patterns in how they do things, only for them to do something completely different almost every time. it makes them really unpredictable. i'm kinda struggling to even speculate at this point, lol.

[blazing breach]

what makes you so sure? /genq

[gentle rose]

TOP never wait over one month between singles and for the sake of my sanity I hope they don’t break that pattern

[blazing breach]

yeah there's never been more than 28 days between singles

actually we could expect something tomorrow, because today is 7th day since their last social media post
like a full radio silent week

[gentle rose]

What if we get something on Sunday July 6 that’s the date of the hiatus anniversary right

[blazing breach]

and to complete the delusions
this is dated 7/5/18 on dmaorg
breach location letter

the number of squares forms 6/12 - the contract release date

[gentle rose]

Either July 5 or July 6 for an announcement PLEASE I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE

[blazing breach]

SO TRUE

by the way i think the breach location is east is up tunnel

[gentle rose]

That could be true that makes sense

That’s how Clancy got in during Paladin strait

[upbeat willow]

The annual assemblage of the glorified in world is next week. Sometime between 7/5-7/8

[blazing breach]

what

[sharp hare]

because it would be pointless and it just doesn't make sense. plus, tyler isn't going to go against any real life contractual obligation to sneakily leak their own material. if the track list was in a place where he felt comfortable releasing it at this time... they would just release it. there's no reason to be weird about that. tyler is not going to leak his own stuff. like i said, they did that one time wayyyyy back and people always act like they're gonna do it again because of that. but its been over ten years now and it hasn't happened again. it's very very easy to fake things on the internet. anyone with light photoshop knowledge could make that picture in like 20 mins.

same thing with the fake tracklists, especially the UO one. this kind of thing is super easy to pull off online. there's nothing about it that suggests it could be real. the song titles are all very vague and the ones we know are just that... something we already know. anyone could use those titles to fake a tracklist. and someone said "none of the tracks are very fake sounding", like really? that means nothing. they're track titles, they could be anything. remember we all thought the Clancy track list leak was fake because they "sounded fake". How real or how fake they sound means nothing.

i just feel like people get way too attached to leaks that are probably fake because they want them to be real, and then they abandon all legitimate reason or logic to defend them. it makes the conversation here feel so stale when it seems so clear to me that none of this stuff is real, because it makes no sense for it to be real

[gentle rose]

There isn’t really concrete proof the tracklist is fake tho

[lilac sandal]

I think that makes the assumption that Tyler leaking anything would be him going behind the label's back or against their promo plan

"Leaks" can easily be part of the plan and intended

[blazing breach]

it's more like your opinion and it makes sense

[upbeat willow]

It’s the national holiday in dema that Clancy talk about in his letters. According to those it’s officially 7/6 but we’ve gotten Jumpsuit/Nico drops and the Saturday mv (which is about Clancy performing at the celebration) in the 7/5-7/8 window.

[lilac sandal]

I think it's a lot less likely to happen again now, mostly because the lore and the order we hear things is delicate, much moreso than in the Blurryface era

[blazing breach]

NICO AND THE SATURDAY IM DYING

sorry😭

[gentle rose]

Wait a second that actually makes so much sense that could be the reason why Saturday’s MV dropped on July 8

[upbeat willow]

Not to mention RAB anniversary

[gentle rose]

So another annual assemblage starting tomorrow?

[gentle rose]

Well that isn’t rly important for the lore but yeah it was on its tenth anniversary

[upbeat willow]

According to this letter yeah

[blazing breach]

wait wait

[sharp hare]

okay? but the odds of it being fake are wayyyyyy more likely than it being real. so why go out of your way to get your hopes up for something that more than likely was totally made up, when you're only gonna feel disappointed when it ends up not being true

[blazing breach]

tomorrow's
so if the letter was dated 7/5 then AAG happened on 7/6

[gentle rose]

That’s what I’m saying July 6, cause annual assemblage, and hiatus anniversary

[blazing breach]

very important date
important enough to BREACH THAT SILENCE YEAH PILOTS

[gentle rose]

First of all that’s just your opinion there isn’t really that much proof that it’s fake. Second of all people including me got our hopes up for double album and we’re pretty much gonna get it

[cobalt fiber]

I also think if Tyler were to leak more things like in BF era they’d make it obvious that it was them leaking it, in BF era they made it clear that leaks were part of the rollout and that they were the ones leaking things because those leaks served as intentional teasers and they wanted us to know it was genuine to build hype

Just randomly leaking something and leaving it up in the air for months if it could be real or not with no acknowledgment isn’t how they’d do an intentional teaser leak

[blazing breach]

think unofficial leaks are creating more hype

[blazing breach]

they build suspense, get people speculating and hoping
mean, of course, what ends up being officially confirmed later

[cobalt fiber]

Eh I don’t think so, back in bf era with the bf twitter everyone was hyped immediately about the leaks because we knew it was genuine. Right now you have half the fanbase pushing back against believing it and wanting to simply wait and see because we don’t know if it’s genuine yet instead of everyone jumping on the hype train immediately like we did for the blurry leaks. There’s certainly hype from this tracklist leak but it’s not filling the same role of an official teaser in the way the BF leaks did since there’s a huge amount of skepticism

[blazing breach]

i don't deny the possibility of a situation in which tyler decides to cheer us up and spread something interesting under a random account

[blazing breach]

skepticism is totally warranted, but imagine the scale of the hype if the uo tracklist is confirmed

[main knoll]

I’d legit be shocked if they did this because Tyler, Josh, and Mark have gone out of their way countless times to tell us that Blurryface, the band account, and their personal accounts are the only sources of complete truth. The only reason stuff has leaked before is bc of an insider or an accident

I’d be surprised if they told us for years that those accounts were the only “real” ones just to be like “actually we lied in this one specific case” hahaha. Talk about breaching our trust!

[blazing breach]

well, i guess this controversy will go on until tyler either comes clean or somehow reveals himself

[tawny wigeon]

i like this theory

[gentle rose]

Thank you

[main knoll]

Tomorrow is July 5th I’m afraid

[sharp hare]

that's a completely unrelated scenario... we weren't theorizing about a double album because of some random picture that popped up on reddit. plus, im basing my "opinion" on actual realistic thinking based in reality. people are only defending the UO tracklist this much because they want it to be real, not because of any actual real reason to beleive it. its just blind faith

[blazing breach]

since we don't have a definitive answer, i prefer to think it's tyler

[tawny wigeon]

?? so?

[gentle rose]

I fear July 5 isn’t the date we should look out for, it’s July 6

[main knoll]

I’m sorry I totally misread that lol

[tawny wigeon]

its okayy lol

[cobalt fiber]

definitely a possibility, although i am a bit shaky about taking any of the "day of posting" moon dates as genuine indicators of in universe time, since we have weird things like the multi year gap between sai and clancy when in universe it was one day

[tawny wigeon]

but 6th july would be a good date

[main knoll]

I thought you were saying the 6th was tomorrow but you were saying that the letter dated the 5th said tomorrow was the 6th?

[blazing breach]

in the letter

[main knoll]

Yes that’s what I said

[gentle rose]

Lmao it’s honestly hilarious when I think about it. 2 years between the outside and overcompensate but irl overcompensate takes place just the next day

[tawny wigeon]

yeah

[main knoll]

Not gonna say it won’t happen but the idea of them posting on a Sunday seems unusual to me. Still a day to keep an eye out for I guess!

[gentle rose]

This weekend better go crazy

[blazing breach]

so
it'll be 8 anniversary of hiatus on july 6?

[sharp hare]

yea, this could be a cool time to reveal something. i like it. ig we'll see, but it would make sense

[gentle rose]

Yeah, breach is their eighth album

[blazing breach]

too many coincidences

they definitely mean something

[main knoll]

that’s if you’re counting RAB, right?

[gentle rose]

Well yeah

[cobalt fiber]

some of the first letters using tyler and joshs birthdays is funny too, since clancy is writing those as an adult- meaning if we go by moon dates by the time of paladin clancy would be ~60 years old at least

[gentle rose]

LMFAO WHA?

That’s funny

[blazing breach]

plot twist
the letters on dmaorg were written by a ~60 year old clancy who's been through all this shit

[gentle rose]

I wonder how Tyler’s singing voice will sound at 60 years old

[tawny wigeon]

still as beautiful as it is now id imagine

[gentle rose]

Shit one can dream

[tawny wigeon]

fr

[cobalt fiber]

For album numbering I think it’s worth taking into account that Tyler has said he considers vessel their first album, it’s possible they go in either direction but I’d lean towards any teasers operating under the belief breach is their 6th album

Which I mean, it’s the 6th, so could still work here

[gentle rose]

Maybe

But I’m still so lost on why would Tyler view vessel as their first album when self titled exists too

[cobalt fiber]

I’d assume Tyler thinks of “twenty one pilots” as himself and Josh at this point, so self titled would be an old personal test-project to him kinda like npi

[queen swallow]

If you try hard enough you can always make connections where they aren’t really any and get to conclusions that weren’t intended. Crossing my fingers for july 6 but definitely seems like a stretch imo

[celest gyro]

i dont think they'd work around that considering every news article says it was gonna be their 8th studio album. i honestly believe Tyler only views Vessel as their debut album cause it was the first album they dropped signed to a record label

[lilac sandal]

Because he considers both self-titled and Regional At Best compilations of music they performed at the time rather than proper albums

[sharp hare]

I think because it was made with totally different people, not in a professional studio, and it was more like a demo CD to sell at shows. not a full-fledged album

[blazing breach]

yeah
it's called apophenia
but it's fun to fantasize

[celest gyro]

i mean isnt every album tho. i feel like when you start doing music, if you wanna do an album, its just all about writing and putting songs together

[sharp hare]

agreeddd

[celest gyro]

yeah Tyler just wanted ppl to know him and his music while starting off

[lilac sandal]

I'd say the way I think about putting together an album is a lot more intentional

it involves planning a cohesive direction and theme and pacing the songs to create an album experience that I like

[smoky tangle]

I feel like im in a desert and im starting to have hallucinations of a pond full of water.

[lilac sandal]

TOP tends to care a lot about the album experience so it's probably similar for them

[smoky tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-soka-dance-dessert-gif-8065469

[sharp hare]

not necessarily. i think Tyler definitely thinks of albums as a coherent single piece of art that needs to flow and go together. there's intention behind it. With self-titled and RAB, they weren't trying to make an album. They just put some songs on a CD to sell it for exposure and tour funding

[queen swallow]

We‘re all collectively going insane don’t worry

[celest gyro]

yea but this was when Tyler was just making songs in his parents basement. he probably wrote a bunch of songs for self titled and chose the top 14 that just sounded good to him

[cobalt fiber]

This is how Tyler described it himself when discussing rab, fully agree with this

[celest gyro]

without a specific story in mind

[lilac sandal]

exactly, and that's why he views it as more of a compilation than an album

for Vessel and later they had a lot more room to craft a very particular overall vibe and flow

and it's only increased from there as their resources and experience have grown

[celest gyro]

yea ig. idk i usually view compilations as songs that were released previously and just got put together for a project

like songs ppl already knew

at the time

[cobalt fiber]

I think news articles calling it their “8th studio album” is a fault on the part of those articles, it’s not like Tyler himself is writing all the media coverage. What Tyler considers to be the official album numbering is much more important than what some random staff members of music publications consider their album numbering when they pull up a list of them on google

Especially considering the studio album label is just blatantly untrue for two of those 8 any way you look at it

This has been a running issue with press coverage of all of their albums for years

There’s a clip of Tyler commenting on it during one of the trench press conferences that I’ll look for

Gonna disappear for 4 hours and pop back in with a link brb 🫡

[celest gyro]

ight lmaooooo

but the press coverage and news and media shit i can definitely see. they really dont know Tyler. they probably just check out what it says on wikipedia

they just want readers for their articles lol

i did see 1 article say 7th studio album so i wonder if they just checked spotify real quick or some shit lmaooooo

since rab isnt on streaming

[lofty pike]

Whats happening, nothing new right?

[blazing breach]

banquet records returned the uo tracklist on the breach page

[lofty pike]

Oh??

It’s back???

[blazing breach]

yeah

[lofty pike]

Interesting

[blazing breach]

really want this tracklist to be real

[lofty pike]

Me too

[blazing breach]

these titles are just perfect

[lofty pike]

Seriously!

Might just be me, but I really want Flowers to be a Torchbearer song 😭

[blazing breach]

same

[lofty pike]

And I imagine glass lungs being Jenna’s

[blazing breach]

wish josh would sing a verse/bridge in flowers

like in paladin live

[blazing breach]

hmm

what if jenna's song is no kin?

[wary dome]

Halfway home is jenna’s song 100%

[blazing breach]

like fear of becoming a stranger to her..

[lofty pike]

Yes!!

[random pivot]

that sounds depressing as hell

[blazing breach]

😭

[neat swift]

Well it is Twenty One Pilots

[granite monolith]

Yeah but they're not gonna dog on Jenna like that cmon

[neat swift]

True

Heard somewhere that this album might not even have a Jenna song since we’re still technically in the Clancy era and we got The Craving in that era

But that’s ofc just a theory and we could still get one in this album

[granite monolith]

I feel like it's gonna, since it is it's own record now

It just initially wasn't, but it grew into more

Could consider it like sai, which also had a Jenna song (I FUCKING LOVE FORMIDABLE)

That's right, tear in my heart? More like tear in my ass. The craving? More like the shitting. Formidable is PEAK

[neat swift]

Formidable is so good

[neat swift]

A tear in your ass sounds like it hurts

[granite monolith]

But isn't there a tear in everyone's ass?

Or should I get a refund

[edgy wolf]

Formidable isn't about Jenna.

[atomic blaze]

Me when I lie

[edgy wolf]

WHAT???

Why is the lyric video full of pictures of Josh??

[atomic blaze]

Theres only pictures of them both? He is one half of the popular alternative band twenty one pilots

[granite monolith]

Mmmmm disagree

[edgy wolf]

But when he says fast forward 13 years, he and Josh had been buddies for...about 13 years at that time.

[atomic blaze]

He’s talking about his entire life with Jenna lol

[edgy wolf]

I wasn't trying to lie. Just going off of theories I'd read. I can see I was wrong.

[granite monolith]

Every album has one, if anything it's a Jenna song with references to rosie

[edgy wolf]

Oh, so not just the marriage. I get it now.

[lilac sandal]

Breach may not have a Jenna song because it wasn't originally going to be a separate album

[atomic blaze]

Yeah I don’t think breach will have a specific Jenna song

[sacred cobalt]

Dont want another jenna song that would be overkill

[lilac sandal]

They still didn't know each other 13 years before then, my theory is it's also about the band/his audience. Definitely many layers to that song

[granite monolith]

I feel like he wrong a Jenna song (as well as several others) for it so it works

[atomic blaze]

“Fast forward 13 years now” is imagining parts of his life like “I could die with you”

Not everything is so concrete

[granite monolith]

"You know I had to do one on the record for her like this"

He does it every album to show dedication to her

[lilac sandal]

that's not how I interpret it, "13 years now" feels like he's saying it currently has been 13 years

I don't think it's a stretch to think it has intended double meanings

[atomic blaze]

Idk man I can only go by what the man says and he says it’s about Jenna

[lilac sandal]

tbf he also says he intentionally doesn't explain everything about the music

[atomic blaze]

Alright

[lilac sandal]

he also answered that in response to someone directly asking if it was about Jenna, so technically the answer would still be yes even if it's about other things too, and he doesn't tend to volunteer additional explanation if it's not asked or he doesn't feel like it

[granite monolith]

Imo, I always interpreted it as "fast forward through the band's modern history, I don't know how we did it but it feels like we did things in reverse, I shouldve been more scared of you at first but now you're the thing I'm most scared to lose, not the band"

Which is why this line always breaks my heart

It's not "the meaning" but it's what I took from it

[atomic blaze]

The beginning of Formidable sounds like Bend and Snap from legally blonde the musical and for that reason it’s my least favorite twenty one pilots song

I just needed to get that off my chest thank you leak theories

Still a 6/10

[lilac sandal]

(I'd prefer not to be pinged for responses pls, thank you)

Yea, that's fair, I def got hints of that meaning too

[celest gyro]

he literally just loves his wife. let the man write about his wife

[sharp crow]

I'm assuming he's taking about how long they were dating/married. By the time Sai came out they had been married 6 years and probably just dated/talked the other 7 🤷 that's how I've always seen it

[sharp crow]

I LOVE FORMIDABLE 🙏🙏🙏 THANK YOU

[cobalt fiber]

It’s a weird line because we’ve specifically heard from Tyler that the first time he talked to Jenna she was completely unimpressed by his band- but 13 years before the release of sai was a year before Tyler started his band. Tyler has been known to make lyrics slightly less accurate to make them flow and rhyme better though so maybe he just thought 13 worked best in the song

If we assume the 13 years is completely accurate I think that line works best as being about his relationship with creating music, because that timeframe also overshoots when he met Josh and when he would have had fans but is perfect for when he started to seriously get into creating music as a career goal

Not quite perfect for when he started playing music though as that was slightly earlier still- so opinions may vary on that take, but it’s the timeframe we know he created npi during

Would have been right around when he turned down his basketball scholarship to seriously pursue music which lines up perfectly imo

[celest gyro]

i remember reading something that said they started dating in January 2013, engaged in July 2014, and married in March 2015

also if they were to date 13 years before SAI, we also have to remember. Tyler is 4-5 years older than Jenna. 13 years before SAI, Tyler was 19...that'd make Jenna either 14 or 15...like they definitely didn't date back then for obvious reasons

like the age gap is obviously ok now cause they're both adults in their 30s, but 2008...definitely not okay

[sharp crow]

💀 zamn I did NOT know that

I stand corrected then

[lilac sandal]

They met in 2012-ish

[celest gyro]

nah its all good

[celest gyro]

that'd make Tyler like 23 and Jenna probably like 19. so thats not too bad

oh sorry i just noticed your name has @ off

[lilac sandal]

all good

[celest gyro]

1 thing i find crazy is how Tyler wrote Trees as early as 2006 when he was 17, and nearly 20 years later hes playing it in sold out arenas and stadiums

[lofty pike]

I ADORE FORMIDABLE

[lofty pike]

This, cause he always says “afraid of you now more than i was before” (right?)

Sorry! Didn’t mean to ping you, I didn’t see that message yet

[cobalt fiber]

Agreed about it being an “it’s been 13 years” statement

The first part of the song starts with Tyler talking about the beginning of the relationship (“I know that we just met”) and then fast forwards to the present to talk about what the relationship is like currently (“I’m afraid of you now more than I was at first”)

I believe he talked more in depth about the songs two sides, past and present, at some point in an interview but I’d have to dig for that

It’s something I really enjoy about the writing of that song

[celest gyro]

i honestly have thought that Formidable was Tyler talking to his younger self. especially with "im afraid of you now more than i was at first". maybe thats him saying that hes more afraid of going back to the point in life he used to be at?

cause that would make sense

[keen oak]

july 5th: 12am est.

nothing

[atomic blaze]

Genuinely think we’re SOL till like Wednesday.

I think they want the anticipation to reach a fever pitch

[glacial crane]

Monday imo, I'm still going strong for the 9th cuz it would just be so perfect

but levitate couldve dropped on the 9th easily and it dropped on the 8th so i guess that's not really a factor, 10th still could totally be possible

still believe in next week entirely though cuz again its never been over 4 weeks between pre album singles since fairly local came out, announcing the second single during its week of release is totally feasible

plus the radio silence this entire week makes me almost certain

[atomic blaze]

Yeah I’m a next week believer for something. I don’t see them being silent for yet another week unless something was up fr

[random pivot]

i’m still sure single will come next week i’m just surprised they didn’t announce it last wednesday

so now my hopes are shadowdrop announcement really really late on wednesday and single drops later on thursday

[lament blaze]

next semester was dropped out of the blue so if theyre following thst it seems likely

[blazing breach]

next semester was preceded by the announcement

and the song was leaked by a number guy

now they've literally dropped off the radar

[lament blaze]

oh right

[tawny wigeon]

well

next week it is i guess

[loud sluice]

one thing that makes me wanna hear the second track announcement is just to find out if the tracklist is 100% real or not

[blazing breach]

same

[random pivot]

im just curious to see what direction second single goes to cause i hope it’s got more guitar

[pseudo oyster]

i'm hoping, iirc tyler said he really liked starburster by fontaines d.c., so i'd like to see a song off breach go similarly in that direction

i might be wrong though

let me find the interview

[random pivot]

please

starbuster is so good

[tawny wigeon]

all i want is more guitar, drawn out instrumentals, and atmosphere

mann i just want toknow when the next single is coming

[gentle rose]

Tomorrow?

Today 7 years ago was the breach location letter, said the annual assemblage of the glorified was tomorrow

And also July 6 is when TOP went on hiatus

[blazing breach]

what if an announcement is today..

[tepid yacht]

Unlikely w it being Saturday

[remote tusk]

Paint the town

[night oar]

I’m not holding my breath, but there are a lot of reasons to and different ways that they could do it right now for sure

[tepid yacht]

I think Monday at the earliest

[random pivot]

trust me just enjoy the weekend stop checking this the announcement won’t happen till at least wednesday tuesday the earlier

but on my momma this song is dropping next week on thursday

[prime sparrow]

my bday :p

[oak dome]

don’t do that gng

[thin copper]

i feel like they want to build tension and suspense

the teasing for The Contract made sense cuz like Blurryface was tormenting Clancy in his head

but now we're in a sort of limbo state right before the next chapter
and Nico is not in Clancy's head anymore

i feel like it reflects the current state of the story

[remote tusk]

But do I want to say goodbye to all the glowing eyes?

Clancy wants it to end but also is afraid of what the ending looks like

[pseudo oyster]

the glowing eyes being the banditos torches when he's in the tower

[blazing breach]

@gentle rose

people have discovered that in this picture there's no comma after no kin, but between the other songs there is

[gentle rose]

Does no kin even need a comma though it’s at the end of the row about to go to the next one

[blazing breach]

yet the screenshot with the alleged uo leak seems to have no commas at all

[blazing breach]

but there's comma after blindfold

[gentle rose]

Idk what’s your point

[naive hemlock]

yeah so it’s fake

[blazing breach]

lack of comma after no kin makes no kin & blur wire one song
they are not separated

[naive hemlock]

either a fake leaker made a typo or FBR made a typo

so which one do you think is more likely

[lilac sandal]

Yea, I'd take it as a typo

[blazing breach]

think the leaker used AI to make it more readable

[lilac sandal]

rather than intended to be 1 song

[gentle rose]

No it doesn’t really. It moves onto the next row for blue wire so they’re separated

[blazing breach]

but then why there's a comma after blindfold..

[naive hemlock]

i feel like the photo is still incredibly low quality for if ai was given instructions to “sharpen it”

[blazing breach]

fair

[lilac sandal]

because it's a typo

[gentle rose]

Fuck if I know, idk I don’t think we need to focus on the UO image as much as the banquet records tracklist

[lilac sandal]

wym, the banquet records tracklist is confirmed as sourced from this now

so it all hinges on if this is real or not

[gentle rose]

How do we know that

[blazing breach]

they've responded

[gentle rose]

I never saw that

[blazing breach]

oh it's in verified

[gentle rose]

Can you link it

[lilac sandal]

Yea, they confirmed they got it from musicbrainz which anyone can edit, and the user who added it got it from bluesky

[remote tusk]

And the one posted on bluesky was from the reddit post

[lilac sandal]

ye

[blazing breach]

#1212499372810575962 message

[remote tusk]

So the UO image is still the only source for this tracklist, which also has a possible typo

[blazing breach]

the fact that the only source of this tracklist is the reddit post makes it all 99% likely to be fake

[remote tusk]

Mojib’s answers make it real ambiguous, but the biggest confirmation we’re going to get is whenever the second single is announced

[blazing breach]

and what if is drag path?

[remote tusk]

Well then Tyler leaked it so long ago himself then

[blazing breach]

we know about flowers because of this

we know about graffiti and drag path because of digital remains

if one of the three is the title of the next single, it neither confirms nor denies the uo tracklist

[naive hemlock]

what i’ve been saying

[queen swallow]

I fear we might be clowning for a good while longer if the band themself doesn’t give us a tracklist

[naive hemlock]

imo this doesn’t confirm a song called “flowers” nearly as much as the shirts or the lyrics pages do

[gentle rose]

If flowers is the next single then that definitely calls for more speculation on the tracklist

[remote tusk]

Guess we gotta wait til September then

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 5!

[blazing breach]

yeah but not confirm

[wary dome]

Devil’s eyes misssing this ‘ too

[blazing breach]

oh
you're right

they'd better break the silence
we're long gone

[keen oak]

has anyone ever thought of this:

a REAL leaker, or someone who had actually genuine information, but wanted to remain anonymous CREATED the image found on the UO store. The image wasn't official from FBR, however was created using the real tracklist. If this is the case, I think it was smart because the leaker remains anonymous and we get the tracklist.
This could also explain why Banquet has the same tracklist, because it is the real one that was obtained the same way that the person who made the UO image obtained it. This may also explain why the image looks patchy, photoshopped, and has that comma error.

[prime sparrow]

I mean, I pointed it out the moment this was shared here nd I told the op that its one single song.. but everybody told me that its not..

[prime sparrow]

same could be said for blindfold..

[blazing breach]

unfortunately, nobody but this one person has seen this leak on urban outfitters

and literally all paths lead to their reddit post

[keen oak]

wait so you think the song is called No Kin Blue Wire?

[keen oak]

so unreliable but not at the same time bc of all the other stuff

[prime sparrow]

yea, but other leaks aint lining up with it so maybe its just a typo

[blazing breach]

rather highly unreliable due to the fact that NO ONE has seen the leak on uo

[prime sparrow]

yea

[keen oak]

i still believe it lol

[blazing breach]

i want to believe it TOO

but it's also too much

[keen oak]

yeah i guess I should say I want to believe it but like ik its not 100% which is sad

need the boys to just confirm SOMETHING

[wintry sleet]

So basically every tracklist on a music site atm is sourced from the unconfirmed UO reddit post? At least that's what I've gathered across here and verified?

[random pivot]

this was the conclusion most of us got to

[random pivot]

i’m starting to have doubts tho ngl but i’m still idk like 75% positive

[keen oak]

not every tracklist but most of them... others follow the keysmash

[random pivot]

even the keysmash ones just got the uo tracklist song titles

just rearranged and changing some songs

[keen oak]

yeah but like EXACTLY follow the keysmash order too. the one google lists as the tracklist follows it

[wintry sleet]

I mean the uo tracklist, keysmash are all made up fan ones

[keen oak]

bruh why do I have the new role 😭

I can't put the image in

nicooooo whyyyy

[wintry sleet]

Nico glitched, go tag a staff in commands they'll fix

[tawny wigeon]

it’s gotta be next week man

if not next week then idek