Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[coral hound]

Lavish

[old jay]

Hahaha

[hollow agate]

thank you so much!!!

[coral hound]

Possibly lyrics? Like initials of a verse?

[hollow agate]

so this is likely real right???

[tawny wigeon]

ok guys ngl mark said he doesnt like letting us go down a wrong path... so if he doesnt say anything lets assume its real? hehe

[random pivot]

true

[jolly oyster]

Someone said an inside source confirmed it but it doesn’t hurt to skeptical until 100% proven

[loud sluice]

crossfire will have clancy and torchbearer fighting

[tawny wigeon]

torchbearer gets caught in the crossfire and dies

[coral hound]

Maybe he thinks it's a projection of tb again, but it's actually his real body

[gentle rose]

Sick

[hollow agate]

if it's true drag path being on there is actually so crazy. this whole era is just nuts with how far in advance it's been hinted at

[muted axle]

leak is a screenshot of the listing.
22 hours ago the vinyl had the normal cover, no tracklist.
urban outfitters support confirms the photo never changed
make of this what you will :/

[tawny wigeon]

well ngl, an urban outfitters support staff is not gonna tell us anything

[naive hemlock]

And then ends with Inferno

[lilac sandal]

I wouldn't assume anything since it was an ad, not the normal listing

[muted axle]

the screenshot is of the listing, opened through a link to it on twitter

[old jay]

I trust gort

[oak dome]

?????

[tawny wigeon]

i feel like if smth like this leaked, they'd get a strict warning to not mention it

[oak dome]

i am merely a messenger

[lilac sandal]

Hmm, interesting

[old jay]

Lmaaaao

[fresh quiver]

thank you gort

[chilly acorn]

like someone else said, i wouldn't rely on customer service too much 😭

[muted axle]

well... they have access to things we don't? 😭

[old jay]

Do want us to say mojib or you
You choose

[jolly oyster]

Like a legal advising team

[muted axle]

mojib has also said he's never seen that cover before but again make of it what you will

[oak dome]

mojib bro

[tawny wigeon]

yes, but they're probably going to hide the fact that they messed up and leaked smmth extremely confidential

[languid echo]

So for the tweet I guess I’m a triple album truther. 😎

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 5!

[oak dome]

just wait 3 weeks when the next single will come out, ig well have the tracklist

[lilac sandal]

Hmm, ok, sounds like there's a decent chance it's fake?

[random pivot]

this album gon be amazing

[jolly oyster]

But I’ll wait until it’s fully confirmed. The fun is believing in things that aren’t certain

[lilac sandal]

Idk what to think lol

[loud sluice]

the last 4 tracks are gonna be so emotional, i can’t

[tawny wigeon]

im also going to not believe anything 100% until the band confirms, but still

[lilac sandal]

If it is a fake it's by far the best one I've seen

[loud sluice]

im 70% sure

[random pivot]

i’d honestly say the chance of this being fake is literally 0,50%

[muted axle]

yeah if it's fake I'm sad but it's pretty real looking
I've compared the symbols on the 'leak' cover and they're off

[chilly acorn]

I'm 99% sure it's real

[prime sparrow]

I claim this, I claim that.. bruh, I keep on fighting meanwhile imma claim ur whole bank balance nd property..

[sacred cobalt]

Claim blue wire if real

[old jay]

Blue wire sounds like a snitch song

[jolly oyster]

Okay, but which one is the love song?

[coral hound]

He definitely is

[prime sparrow]

trench 2.0 pls tyler.. after the lore! 🙏🏻

[old jay]

Not happening

[lusty dome]

I'm also excited for post lore music

[languid echo]

Tyler what the hell is this if not the tracklist

[oak dome]

tyler drop the tracklist on your rp acc

[dusty mauve]

Finally I feef at home

[lilac sandal]

I also think the idea of using the band and album title on the cover like that and replacing the copyright text just works so well

[prime sparrow]

just asking for an industrial rock album.. is it too much?!

[lilac sandal]

It looks intentional and really would make it look like a Trench follow-up

[dusty mauve]

It’s so trench coded I love it🥹

[coral hound]

I just hope he uses the guitar in more songs

Goes so hard

[gritty yoke]

do we have that scratched out drag path lyrics here again i wanna see something

[lilac sandal]

The letter corners follow the light in the background

[languid echo]

Boys it may be fake

Title is off center

[prime sparrow]

the bass+drums combo in jumpsuit is my fav among all songs of top

[old jay]

I hope for some bass heavy songs like jumpsuit

[lilac sandal]

Yea, I noticed that, just a bit, but the light is too and it's roughly centered over Tyler and Josh so idk

[prime sparrow]

so was josh nd tyler on Clancy

[coral hound]

Damn, is the old one centered?

[languid echo]

But maybe I’m stupid and wrong and it just has to be off center for the band name to be centered

[dusty mauve]

It’s centered over the photo though

[tawny wigeon]

pretty sure its centered over the photo

[pseudo oyster]

man he said it's nothing

let a man keyboard smash in peace💔

[normal fulcrum]

Does anyone have any photos of the trench merch that was released prior to the setlist dropping similar to how the breach tshirt with the copyright text

[languid echo]

I am stupid and wrong and it matches the shirt

[prime sparrow]

I mean the bass is so subtle in between the songs nd yet so powerful overall like.. DAMN

a rock song which isnt soft rock yet gets slow but not boring.. jumpsuit is literally peak of TOP

[wild peak]

It's crazy they leaked crancy and breach

[old jay]

Definitely agree
My best opening track also its a 10/10 on all aspects

[wild peak]

BREACHING OUR FUCKING TRUST

[prime sparrow]

I also think every first single represent respective eras pretty well.. man, I LOVE TOP

[lilac sandal]

Wait, was this a thing?

[prime sparrow]

still is, go buy it

[sacred cobalt]

I remember i found out about the tracklist cuz of the yellow trench cassette back then, it had the most readable pics

[pastel shadow]

tfgdnbshgbscid

[languid echo]

I love all my TOP cassettes we better get a breach one

[lilac sandal]

Yea, but I mean with copyright text instead

[oak dome]

guys it’s nothing

[sacred cobalt]

Trench didnt have copyright text no

[oak dome]

trench merch wasn’t released with jumpsuit

[tawny wigeon]

this disclaimer to me says the album cover will eventually change and will have the tracklist, which is why they revealed this cover as they dont want to show the tracklistyet

cause this legal disclaimer doesnt need to be there otherwise

[languid echo]

Disclaimer is there for the vinyl itself as the splatters vary

[lilac sandal]

Yea, exactly

[languid echo]

Unless it’s on the CD too.

[loud sluice]

no kin(gs)

[prime sparrow]

NDAs for the folks that talks to me..

[oak dome]

https://x.com/twentyonepilots/status/1027271353928441863?s=46

twenty one pilots (@twentyonepilots)

Trench pre-orders are here and we have some exclusive merch bundles for you. https://t.co/m7DCcIOk9p

X · Aug 8, 2018, 7:12 PM

[loud sluice]

sorry wrong reply

[oak dome]

not released with jumpsuit

[granite monolith]

Is this real??

No fucking way it's fourteen

[prime sparrow]

but this reminded me of neon gravestones..

I will mourn for a kid, but won't cry for a king..

[tawny wigeon]

oh

hold up trench also had 14 tracks

[granite monolith]

Oh my god... Holy shit

[loud sluice]

wdym

[granite monolith]

||"halfway home" "do you feel at home?"|| I DONT KNOW TYLER DO I

[oak dome]

trench merch

[loud sluice]

i mean, what does that imply

[shadow mirage]

||everyones happy that they know the tracklist, but I'm sad its not actually FEEF :(||

[lilac sandal]

Bear in mind there are a few reasons to doubt it's real

[loud sluice]

I KNOW RIGHT these last 2 tracks are questions

[prime sparrow]

now if they kept RITN out of Clancy.. it would be 15 tracks XD

[fresh quiver]

track 15: i’m feefing it

[granite monolith]

If it's true, ||flowers|| being the next single makes so much sense

[prime sparrow]

track 16: bonus song: I feel it coming feat the weeknd

[hollow agate]

14 tracks is so insane if its real i wasnt expecting that many

[granite monolith]

And ||graffiti and drag path sound like a 2 part song||

[shadow mirage]

featuring Miley Cyrus

[lilac sandal]

They're pretty different themes, they make sense separate imo

[granite monolith]

Yeah but ||drag path|| has a direct call to it, ||"we are just graffiti on a train"||

It's kinda like backslide and snapback

[tawny wigeon]

guys... u dont need to use spoilers, we're in a LEAK SPOILER thread

[granite monolith]

Oh yeah...

[lilac sandal]

That doesn't have anything to do with Drag Path, that's a callback to Levitate

[chilly acorn]

TRUE!!!

[prime sparrow]

wlcm back to levitate

[granite monolith]

Tbf they're both gonna call back to levitate but it makes more sense for them to be partner songs

[lilac sandal]

Wait, I misread that

[sacred cobalt]

Feef deef nutz

[lilac sandal]

That line is in Graffiti, not Drag Path

[granite monolith]

The line is in drag path iirc

[lilac sandal]

It isn't

[dim island]

If that’s real The Contract is such an interesting first track. It makes sense with the music video but like just audio album it’s a very abrupt start for twenty one pilots

[granite monolith]

Wait no it was uh

[languid echo]

TOP already confirmed it’s the opening track.

[fresh quiver]

yeah that’s why i’m wondering how the lore songs are gonna be paced. we’re at the same level that we were with trench at track 2 with levitate and clancy track 9 with navigating so things are gonna progress quickly

[granite monolith]

Oh yeah graffiti was on there huh

[dim island]

I guess it technically is an immediate follow up to Clancy so it’s not like they gotta make some sorta “grand entrance” type song like Overcompensate or Jumpsuit or even Good Day or any other opening song fr

[granite monolith]

Tbf even then it is kind of a grand rebirth

More a second wind than a starting line

[dim island]

True

[languid echo]

It’s literally Clancy Pt 2 but Tyler didn’t like the idea of a deluxe. 💀

[dim island]

A deluxe with 14 additional songs💀

[languid echo]

That’s why it’s still The Clancy Tour - Breach

[granite monolith]

Can I get the uhhh bacon double mcJim please?

[gritty imp]

it’s so fake the tracklist stop believing it

[granite monolith]

No way this fits on 1lp tho that's insanity

[prime sparrow]

i like hakka noodles..

[granite monolith]

Proof or cap

[gritty imp]

it’s literally just this.

[wild peak]

PLACEHOLDER SMH

[granite monolith]

Cuz it's on merch so...

[gritty imp]

okay yeah but it hasn’t been leaked at all

[dim island]

No way they’d put copyright info on a shirt

[wild peak]

How do you know

[hollow agate]

the placeholder is gonna get replaced by the tracklist i don't see why it has to be fake

[gritty imp]

yeah but the merch text is just copyright info

[loud sluice]

i’m okay with the contract being the opener, they’re tryna breach the cycle, and if it has a longer intro, it fits the opening vibe

[wild peak]

They leaked the clancy album cover too

[thin oar]

|| why are there two tracks with home ||

[gritty imp]

yeah it’ll prolly be changed later but the urban outfitters thing is edited

[granite monolith]

I can't tell if you're trolling or...

[gritty imp]

i’m so deadass

[languid echo]

It’s possible but I have no reason to 100% think that.

[wild peak]

Why do you think it's edited

[granite monolith]

It's not the same text. Not even the same spacing.

[gritty imp]

because? look at it the listing?

if it’s real, i’ll donate $15 to the mental health charity tyler supports

the merch text is also copyright info,

[granite monolith]

You're on god trolling rn

[prime sparrow]

to me pls.. I need help.. mental and financial 🙏🏻

[gritty imp]

bro 😭🙏

[tawny wigeon]

what, this is a copyright thing so wdym

[languid echo]

That’s placeholder copyright info.

They will NOT be putting copyright info on an official shirt lol

It’s there in place of something else.

[gritty imp]

lowkey they would, it looks cool with it ngl

[dim island]

Bro is John Twentyonepilots he knows what he’s saying

[tawny wigeon]

bro in whatworld would they put a copyright disclaimer on a shirt 😭

[loud sluice]

bro, if you don’t know yet, the one thing that makes us believe is the confirmation from the hasitleaked owner

[granite monolith]

Putting my whole ass privacy policy on a t-shirt like be so fr

[wild peak]

Love the trolling, keep it up!

[languid echo]

Yeah it looks great. That’s why the tracklist is going there 😭

[prime sparrow]

I recently put "lorem ipsum and cheese pizza" nd similar texts as paragraph placeholder on a studio's post design cause the text is so small ppl can't read it at all..

[hollow agate]

it makes sense for it to be a tracklist and for people to have access to the asset that contains it. which could accidentally make its way onto a listing

[shadow mirage]

Ragebait lmao

[languid echo]

Bro is a professional ragebaiting and I’m chewing on the hook.

[tawny wigeon]

real

[granite monolith]

Hook so yummy I'm going back for seconds

[gritty imp]

oh deadass? i did not see that LMFAO. i thought yall were going off the urban outfitters listing.

[solid apex]

is it still 50/50 on if the tl is real

[gritty imp]

was not ragebait 😭😭

[dim island]

10/10 ragebait

[lilac sandal]

Oh, why did Mojib not deconfirm the tracklist if it's fake smh

[languid echo]

I picked up the hook, shoved it through my cheek, and held on as he reeled in

[prime sparrow]

ppl denied it 12hrs ago saying the same thing then wallahi mojib said some words nd now the fandom have accepted it as gospel..

[dim island]

Is Hasitleaked guy reliable

[granite monolith]

If mojib can deconfirm it that means he could've easily leaked the tracklist, I do not think he has it

[lament blaze]

yes

[dim island]

Where did he say it was real

[tawny wigeon]

he said he wont be leaking the tracklist

[granite monolith]

He said before he would. I do not trust bro on god

[steady holly]

Because he doesnt have it

[tawny wigeon]

except he does..

[granite monolith]

Professional tier arsu guy

[neat swift]

and what he has said follows the tracklist we have now

[tawny wigeon]

this whole thing is just MADNESS

[neat swift]

it has more than 12 songs

and that is pretty much all he's given us

[chilly acorn]

He is credible does that word not mean anything 😭

[granite monolith]

Tbf "it has more" and "it has less" is a literal 50/50 prediction

[shadow mirage]

Guys. Hasitleaked guy said that he DOESNT want to leak the tracklist. Then UO comes in and puts on the wrong picture, then the same Hasitleaked guy said that THIS WAS A MISTAKE BY UO. Which means it might be the real tracklist!!!

[granite monolith]

Credibility just means more chance of being accurate, not 100% chance

[prime sparrow]

maybe the person who created this fake list, read mojib' text too? he is here among us??!?

[steady holly]

I dont think so, so far he has only remained very very vague, and then in the end he can claim he was right while barely even saying anything

[lilac sandal]

But he is a well-known and reliable insider, I don't think he'd make stuff up like that

[shadow mirage]

sorry got tilted here for a second

[tawny wigeon]

i disagree, even other artists he's gotten EVERYTHING right and accurate, he is a credible source

[steady holly]

Are there any examples? Genuinely want to know

[chilly acorn]

it's ok, most people here aren't actually involved with leak coms and don't understand what they're talking about 🤷‍♀️

[tawny wigeon]

just what ive seen from him on twitter

[shadow mirage]

From all the leaks and stuff we find on the internet, this guy is the most reliable we can get.

[granite monolith]

While he may have, that doesn't mean that pretty much everything he's said on breach has been so vague it's definitely true or fairly obvious

[shadow mirage]

Yeah, I just wanted to explain it in one message sorry haha

[tawny wigeon]

of course we dont know if he's 100%, nothing is 100% until the band posts it.

[steady holly]

So basically putting out stuff like 'Tame Impala is gonna release stuff' even though it's already heaviliy rumoured?

[loud sluice]

tldr, mojib said:

that's crazy, howd you know that?

[granite monolith]

Yeah, this is my issue with taking him as gospel tho

[shadow mirage]

Didn’t he tell us something is coming from TOP even before Breach official announcement?

[granite monolith]

No he said "you're crazy ;)"

[tawny wigeon]

he's done much more than that, he has put out a lot of key info in the discord server for all artists across all genres

[fresh quiver]

how does bro know

[chilly acorn]

hasitleaked is an established account and has leaked exclusive info in the past.

[tawny wigeon]

• he knew specific details about BFX, breach announcement being delayed

[tawny wigeon]

idek

[steady holly]

Yeah I believe you, it's just I'm skeptical until he actually proves he knows more than the rest of us regarding Twenty One Pilots

[languid echo]

He most likely works in digital marketing/promotion and just doesn’t care about his NDAs 💀

[tawny wigeon]

i mean he has already proved he knows more, even if its vague. he knew breach was coming, bfx etc, which none of us know

[granite monolith]

None of us??

[shadow mirage]

I mean he doesn’t need to prove anything to us. He tell us something and its up to us to believe it or not

[tawny wigeon]

yes... none of us knew breach was coming..

unless u did??

[granite monolith]

Uh huh...

[loud sluice]

look at my name bruh

[granite monolith]

Yeah a lot of people knew breach was coming for like a year

[lilac sandal]

He cares about them, they seem to have a kind of mutual understanding where he's fine to give some details that don't break them or once in awhile some other small stuff, but then he stays away from breaking any NDA outright

[tawny wigeon]

we knew and had theories that a double album was coming, we DID NOT know an album called breach was coming out lmao?

[granite monolith]

We didn't know for sure the name until like a month before tour ended but still

[tawny wigeon]

lets not pretend..

[chilly acorn]

A MONTH BEFORE?

[granite monolith]

Around then yeah, because of the morse code

[tawny wigeon]

its a fact that none of us knew for certain a double album was coming

[chilly acorn]

we knew like the day the tour ended lmao, and even then we didn't know it was the title

[hollow agate]

we did not know the album was gonna be called breach until it was announced cmon 😭

[tawny wigeon]

literally lmao

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[granite monolith]

Tyler himself said it was at Clancy's launch lmaoo

[tawny wigeon]

he did not say "we are releasing a double album"

bro ur reaching and everyone knows that

[granite monolith]

No, he said "this is the last era" and "do you really think that's the end?"

[tawny wigeon]

i was a double album truther since day 1 and even i can recognise that

[languid echo]

Brother come on he basically did lol

[dim island]

The Pooptract

[lilac sandal]

There could've been many other possible ways to resolve that cliffhanger without a new album

[tawny wigeon]

bro none of u can say that we knew that an album called breach was being released in 2025

[prime sparrow]

Hell nah, I have been a double album truther and paladin strait confirmed my prediction!

[shadow mirage]

Btw this is not a double album. This is a full-length album, ANOTHER album after Clancy.

[granite monolith]

Yeah but I think a vast majority kinda knew it wasn't gonna be like a movie or book or anything

[chilly acorn]

people here have zero critical thinking skills my God

[hollow agate]

people were still denying the double album up until the day before breach got announced like be so fr we knew nothing

[steady holly]

Everyone knew something was coming for BFX, just didn't know what. Also everyone knew there would be another album coming up, just not when. Although we did have a clue with the Ultimate Capitulus 25 stuff

[tawny wigeon]

literally im baffled

[granite monolith]

Who is we here??

[chilly acorn]

literally half the server

[granite monolith]

Which means, conversely, half did know. It's not insane to think a leaker would also know the worst kept secret in music

[prime sparrow]

not breach, but another album..

[languid echo]

Btw how the hell do we change roles 💀the role channel only lets your pick your favorite album

[shadow mirage]

What the fuck is even a double album. I’ve never seen a thing like it before.

[tawny wigeon]

yes, but even still we didnt know 100% what was happening

[granite monolith]

It's two albums in the same era/timeframe basically

[dim island]

Album x2

[hollow agate]

we took a good guess at a double album it was never CONFIRMED until they physically announced breach

[lilac sandal]

None of us knew. I was 90% on it from the beginning but I can't claim that I knew, because knowing means having some kind of certainty, and none of us did before it was confirmed

[tawny wigeon]

and no one can argue otherwise

[granite monolith]

Confirmed and "we knew" are different tho

[prime sparrow]

*officially announced

[shadow mirage]

Idk i dont look at breach as a double album. I see it as a new album and a new era with it.

[hollow agate]

you know what i mean lol

[lilac sandal]

No they're not, you're mixing up knowing with being confident

[granite monolith]

I mean breach is undoubtedly a double album, from the tour marketing to the Zayn interview

[tawny wigeon]

yes, we were all 99% sure a double album or more music was coming. but we could not be 100% sure until the band announced. fact

[hollow agate]

bro is trying to rewrite history

[tawny wigeon]

as a double albumer myself i say that

[tawny wigeon]

😭 fr

[granite monolith]

We know there will be merch with not the disclaimer on it. Is this confirmed? No. Do we know it? Yes.

[gentle rose]

I’m with you here. Like I was very confident that the only way to end the story was another album

But never really knew until Breach

[lilac sandal]

This argument is absurd anyway because hasitleaked has proven himself many times over for years

But he also did not say this was real

[narrow reef]

Any breaches?

[granite monolith]

Tracklist leaked

[narrow reef]

Ooooh

[prime sparrow]

questions over hasitleaked

[thin copper]

i honestly think the tracklist might be real (or partially real)

but i am skeptical about the vinyl listing

[shadow mirage]

Yeah and no one is forcing anyone to believe him. If you don’t believe him you can gaslight yourself into not knowing the tracklist again.

[granite monolith]

What about the vinyl listing?

[narrow reef]

Where rachel

[lilac sandal]

What are you talking about, I'm defending him

[narrow reef]

Show me to me please

[steady holly]

But like does this scream 'I know more than others' to you? To me this seemed like something that was sorta expected, and 'soon' could be anywhere from a few weeks to a couple of months

[thin copper]

the screenshot from Reddit supposedly taken from a website that sells vinyls

which is where this tracklist came from

[granite monolith]

Oh, I thought it came from UO

[lilac sandal]

The reliability of hasitleaked is really not in question, again, this is an insider established over years, not someone random

[shadow mirage]

I mean, he is risking his job for us ngl.

[prime sparrow]

btw guys, on Spotify.. twenty one pilots was #146 but just after an hr or half they were #147.. but they are #144 in the world rn..

[narrow reef]

14 songs??

[thin copper]

yes, from a vinyl listing from UO, that someone screenshotted and put on Reddit

[granite monolith]

Ohhh

[gentle rose]

Yeah it’s awesome

[narrow reef]

Yay

[granite monolith]

Another trench length album... I'm in heaven

[thin copper]

and i am skeptical about this screenshot we got, but the tracklist itself seems believable

[granite monolith]

Come September we're gonna have probably 11 brand new songs, a whole sai-worth

[delicate umbra]

I was excited at first but Im not sure it's real

[hollow agate]

what was the full screenshot, does anyone have it?

[gentle rose]

We gotta wait 3 months until heaven

[prime sparrow]

scroll up in this chat

[thin copper]

guys istg am i genuinely this bad at explaining stuff? are my explanations this unclear?

happens every day (even on this server)

that i explain or say smth and people understand smth else

[lilac sandal]

Anyway what I was trying to say is, he didn't actually say it's real. Bear in mind he's not super familiar with TOP, just has access to internal press stuff. To me, the first message saying something like "that leak should not be there" implies that he knows they shouldn't have access to the tracklist, but in context in the conversation it sounded like he hadn't actually checked whether it was real or not yet

After that, he said it didn't match anything he had

[prime sparrow]

-10000 aura

[prime sparrow]

yea, I thought the same but ppl are taking it as confirmation..

[lilac sandal]

So I'm saying I know he's reliable but I think people misread his response at first

[loud sluice]

it didn’t match the cover that has the track listed, not the track itself

i think

[lilac sandal]

Yes, but it doesn't make sense for OP to have the real tracklist but edit it onto something

[prime sparrow]

guys, can we ask unnus latif about anything he knows related to top? which he can share?

[lilac sandal]

Who is that?

[prime sparrow]

assistant engineer, he did drum tech and engineering on the contract

he is in the server

[lilac sandal]

Hmm, we could ask, maybe he could at least deconfirm this tracklist if it's fake

[prime sparrow]

yea, should I tag him?

[lilac sandal]

Mm, maybe lol

[twilit locust]

im catching up. i dunno, i simply believe the leak atp. it makes sense to have happened and be real rather than an edited sc in my opinion. esp w the graphic we had w the legal stuff in placeholder instead. i dont think all the legal jargon and copyright is gonna be on graphics like they were, but i do believe theyd be there instead of an unreleased tracklist. also, the tracklist sounds good, so i'm hopeful.

[tawny wigeon]

idk if he’d even give us any info lol 😭 probably has signed an NDA

[prime sparrow]

@next oasis hey goatif!
hope u having a good time, we have some questions if u dont mind?

[tawny wigeon]

bro

[lilac sandal]

I'm sure he wouldn't, but I think he could confirm something isn't real without breaking anything

[tawny wigeon]

😭

[hollow agate]

dont go asking ppl to risk their jobs for our sake lol

[tawny wigeon]

idk if we should be trying to get info from people working for the band 😭

[loud sluice]

it makes sense if it is the image from urban outfitters that didnt get used for the promotion

[tawny wigeon]

seems a bit wrong

[hollow agate]

right like 😭

[delicate umbra]

Yeah if something leaks it leaks

But don't instigate a leak chat

[prime sparrow]

he could say, avra kadavra.. I am not telling you anything u little labra..

[twilit locust]

also it would be perfectly reasonable for him to protect the tracklist and so for him to say "not real" regardless and us not have the correct answer 😉

[gentle rose]

Honestly for real

[prime sparrow]

I can see u getting doubtful of this leak.. XD(ur username)

[tawny wigeon]

yeah we shouldn’t do that

[hollow agate]

i don't even think its okay to ask in the first place

[gentle rose]

That’s not the best idea

[ancient cargo]

Ok been gone for a bit do we know if it was real or not yet

[smoky cloak]

The copyright legal jargon is not on any album covers. Only the shirts and ads

[pseudo oyster]

for the sake of his job don't try to involve him in leaks

[gentle rose]

I’m not doubtful at all what

[prime sparrow]

okay Imma say sorry when he will reply

[lilac sandal]

Actually tbh he probably couldn't acknowledge the question if it's real

[hollow agate]

i think we should just leave these people alone 😭

[lilac sandal]

Because acknowledging but refusing to confirm it as fake could be taken as proof it's real

[stiff fable]

[prime sparrow]

what have I done

[muted axle]

what's going on

[stiff fable]

I’m astounded this has to be said but don’t ask people affiliated with the band if a LEAKED tracklist is real 😭

[prime sparrow]

im again making questionable life decisions

[gentle rose]

Asher here pinged the drum engineer on the contract

[lilac sandal]

I mean in general I don't think there's an inherent problem with asking people stuff but I don't think it's a good idea to make a habit of pinging people associated with the band

[muted axle]

??????? wtf

[ancient cargo]

but Breach the contract ☝️🤓

[loud sluice]

maybe the contract was the nda they made along the way~

[stiff fable]

okay anyways let’s just move on

[tawny wigeon]

real

[prime sparrow]

😭

[gentle rose]

I’d like to formally apologize to you for doubting drag path

[ancient cargo]

Mr.Nico 🙁

[tawny wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-falling-twenty-one-pilots-tellmeits0ver-death-gif-10534263174145569869

[twilit locust]

that doesnt make sense for a shirt graphic imo and it being a placeholder for the tracklist on a album cover shirt design seems like a decent theory to me as i heard it suggested

but we dunno.

[prime sparrow]

what if the legal jargon is the tracklist..

who else ready for a "warner music" song!

[smoky cloak]

Maybe im misreading your reply? But what i am telling you is that none of the album covers posted anywhere have any text or symbols on the album cover except the title.

[twilit locust]

i am aware of this yes!

but a shirt with the +album graphic +tracklist makes more sense than a shirt with the +album graphic +legal footnotes. i've never seen an album-themed merch item have all the dang copyright small print on it ya feel? so, for the tee to have an altered graphic right now to avoid leaking the actual tracklist, i'm holding onto that being plausible. maybe it's not.

[muted axle]

they cannot legally ship a cd or vinyl with a different album cover unless it's listed on the product page, that's my biggest problem with this right now

not even ship, they can't sell it overall

[limber hatch]

not to be that guy but im really pissed at how the merch sale is being conducted lol idk if thats common among artists but why would you put out merch if you have to hide most of it. like the vinyls without the title/logos, the t shirts with placeholders etc it doesnt make sense to me

[muted axle]

i dont know about the us but the eu has strict laws against false advertising

[prime sparrow]

its mentioned that the mockup nd final product may vary

[limber hatch]

exactly

[muted axle]

thats for the patterns on the vinyls because they wont look exactly the same as in the photos on the store

but the cover has to

[pseudo oyster]

for the splatter vinyls which will vary because you can't have 1:1 replicas of a splash of paint

[prime sparrow]

oh

[ancient cargo]

It’s just part of the industry fr now

[smoky cloak]

Oh I agree. I was one of the first people to suggest that the copyright info was a placeholder for the tracklist.

But the issue with the "leak" is that OP claims to have seen an album cover with the tracklist. Not a t shirt.

[wintry sleet]

Website say mock up

[muted axle]

yes they have to put that disclaimer there because if they don't they can't sell it lol

[pseudo oyster]

mock up of what the vinyl will look like because they can't promise it will look identical to the image

[lilac sandal]

It only says that on the vinyl, not CD

[prime sparrow]

retro is purple now?

[muted axle]

i been purple for a good while

[wintry sleet]

Ok fair enough

[prime sparrow]

I remember red

[wintry sleet]

I do think they could have it on the cling wrap as a sticker thou

[stiff fable]

I’m not trying to die on this hill but I don’t think the image that UO allegedly posted would be the “real” cover, I think it may be for something else entirely but that someone sent them the wrong file

if that were the case it wouldn’t be a matter of false advertising

like that could just be a poster

or another shirt or something

[twilit locust]

i felt that way when there were theories about the breach cover changing after the contract dropped and the first press edition went off the site, them changing the whole graphic on the actual cd/vinyl is not possible. not to mention, it would be bad branding to have multiple covers unofficially spreading around. an album cover is an iconic graphic and better spread from day 1 of announcement than being cheekily swapped out during promotions.

but, i thought it was possible for them to sell a modified tshirt from a graphic that has something censored for leaky reasons. mayyyyybe it isnt.

[muted axle]

i guess but what could they use it for then?

[twilit locust]

yeah i didnt think the leaked tracklist img was going on the album cover.

[stiff fable]

I mean a collector’s poster with the tracklist and symbols would go hard asf

idk man

[pseudo oyster]

or as well it could've been like another image where the plastic seal has the breach logo and tracklist on it and they put that instead of the original

[muted axle]

i guess you could make the argument that the text on the shirt is unreadable therefore you can't make a distinction between what's advertised and what's sold

HOWEVER the ads for breach have had that exact warner text thing next to the symbols so it's possible that's literally what's on the shirt

[muted axle]

true
if they messed it up that bad, some people are getting fired 😭

[twilit locust]

all this couldve been avoided if they shared the tracklist as they sold actual preorders of the album...... or upon dropping the contract...... sigh i really want a confirmed tracklist to speculate about 🥲

im sure its coming soon. right? right?

[muted axle]

we will get the tracklist by september 5th 👍🏻

[twilit locust]

hummm thats fair. i think if thats whats on the shirt its not very desirable but i have other merchandise to cop lol

[twilit locust]

well yeahhhh

[muted axle]

sure yeah. you could wear the shirt with the legal jargon as a fashion statement

like id wear a shirt with the constitution of america on it probably

[limber hatch]

exactly**

[twilit locust]

murican culture activated

im trying to find any IPs that have included all that owned-by-record-company small print on their merch and like. kind of a dead end. i dont think ive ever seen it.
but a tracklist? feels like ive seen that on shirts.

just out here tryna be a tracklist truther, its a much better version than the last confirmed fake tracklist so the desperation is upon me

also waiting patiently for like, the second or third wave of general merch for breach. i think we could get some cool stuff later. ive genuinely liked some of the hot topic partnered designs that come out post-release

[limber hatch]

its the tracklist in this one ^

[twilit locust]

it sure is. nunna that warner/atlantic nonsense hahah

oh well.

[random pivot]

the contract was already a pretty rock heavy song but more leaning on guitar so let’s see if they have a heavy bass song or if he relies more on guitar on this one

maybe they do both idk

i’m surprised there’s still a lot of tracklist non believers

if you have even a little doubt in your mind trust me if it’s real by next week they will post it themselves

[muted axle]

well it's kind of hard to believe

[twilit locust]

tag urself im glass lungs

bass heavy: graffiti and crossfire
i pray

[random pivot]

i really trust the source that’s all i’m gonna say

[limber hatch]

it does look different however the symbols on the second one look much more like the original symbols. their proportions and stuff

[eternal badger]

just saw someone rank every tøp song by album and they called Blurryface "stressed out" on tiktok

[limber hatch]

this difference may be due to editing over the tracklist idk

[muted axle]

the second one is from the leak screenshot

[muted axle]

i love the album stressed out by blurryface

[twilit locust]

eeuggh they are ?? different. the angle on the birds, the size of the middle square.

[limber hatch]

yeah thats one of the reasons i think the leak is real

[muted axle]

their point was that the leak symbols are different from the official symbols on the t-shirt

idk make of that what you will

[random pivot]

i’m ngl i did believe the symbols looked different just saw this and if before i believed it 99% now i do 100%

[muted axle]

nobody's wrong or right for believing the tracklist like

[loud sluice]

but hear me out, the B logo from t-shirt is different from

[random pivot]

this are not good pics to prove a point cause they look pinpoint the same

😭

[muted axle]

i was sooo adamantly against the clancy leaked tracklist

[limber hatch]

the leaked one is closer to the breach b

[muted axle]

it is ye idk why

[limber hatch]

me too lol also against the leaked cover

i was 100000000000% sure it was fake

💀 i wish

[random pivot]

i always believed on the clancy cover art cause it looked like an amazing statement first minute i only started to doubt the cover art when i saw the tracklist

[lofty pike]

all the symbols are the same, the only one that appears different is the mystery one (the second) but that honestly just looks to be because of difference in quality and resolution. It’s literally just the dot in the center, it looks smaller.

[muted axle]

you can't say it's because of the difference in quality and resolution because those two pictures are the same exact quality

[twilit locust]

well it does make the leak one look a bit sus to me now. i have the official tee blown up on different window and the size difference of that square is decently significant. resolution wont add/delete pixels like that

[random pivot]

they can never be the exact same quality cause the original picture of one of them was already on a different quality

[muted axle]

yeah

[limber hatch]

the b looks kinda stretched up

[muted axle]

yeah but as alexandra said, jpeg compression won't add or remove pixels in such a manner

[twilit locust]

darn 😠

[last cove]

here's this one too

[random pivot]

idk about the symbols and idk about the image as a whole, but that tracklist is 100% what we are gonna see when the album is out.

[muted axle]

well i believe in the titles we already possibly know

[shadow mirage]

If this is real this is so fricking cool.

[twilit locust]

ty for forwarding this here

[lofty pike]

Holy cow this is a lot of advertising I’m scared

[muted axle]

if this mirrors trench release and we get one of the songs 'leaked' in a tv ad that'd be crazy

[shadow mirage]

A lot of advertising for a not so big tour tho?

[regal otter]

last time they advertised that much was . . .. for trench . . . . .

[lofty pike]

I am unfamiliar with the classic shirt nation method

[limber hatch]

it will get bigger in 2026 trust

[random pivot]

thing is its not just the UO thing, there has been another source confirming it, if the uo image was fake they somehow guessed the tracklist randomly

[twilit locust]

i think its highly likely theyll do another leg of breach tour, they seem to like comeback situations lol

[shadow mirage]

Probably

[lofty pike]

“One more trip around North America” 😭💔

[last cove]

i just meant like fading them on top of each other to compare like we would to find shirt matches during the tour

[bold solstice]

Whats the other source?

[muted axle]

they cooked?? that looks close

[shadow mirage]

Yeah that sentence is what making me worry like they taking a longer break after this one which wouldn’t make sense tho

[lofty pike]

The shape on the FPE didn’t look like letters either, so you never know 👀

[limber hatch]

oh i love it*

[loud sluice]

how many days after “jumpsuit/natn” was the full trench tracklist released?

[twilit locust]

and potentially other trips elsewhere! maybe. we'll see ig!

[muted axle]

it was leaked with Levitate, so august 7th 2018

or 6th

[loud sluice]

i guess we have to wait until next month then

[twilit locust]

equally maybe true that there will be a longer break from full time touring. they hinted they wanna continue to explore releasing music "in stride"

[random pivot]

i think i remember listening to my blood on spotify and the names still being taped tho

[hollow agate]

do you know when it was officially announced? not just leaked. i can't remember

[muted axle]

https://x.com/brighteryork/status/1027022329149317126?t=U5w37HfR7EpyppN5xccMnQ&s=19
this is from august 8th 2018

brigid 🥀 (@brighteryork)

TWENTY ONE PILOTS TRENCH ALBUM TRACKLIST LEAK!!!!

1. jumpsuit
2. levitate
3. morph
4. my blood
5. chlorine
6. smithereens
7. neon gravestones
8. the hype
9. nico and the niners
10. cut my lip
11. bandito
12. pet cheetah
13. legend
14. leave the city

X · Aug 8, 2018, 2:42 AM

it was announced shortly after, when levitate dropped

they changed their banner to the cover with the tracklist

[hollow agate]

ah alright, thank you

[limber hatch]

noooo so like a month wait?

[gentle rose]

So should we expect TOP to officially announce the tracklist tomorrow or smth

[random pivot]

monday

[muted axle]

im gonna be honest I don't think we'll get the tracklist until the album drops

either that or with one of the other singles

[gentle rose]

Why not tomorrow I thought the weekend thing only applies to Blurryface

[loud sluice]

where did the leak come from?

[muted axle]

Tidal

they released levitate earlier on accident and it had that cover

[random pivot]

i mean idk maybe they do tomorrow tyler prolly already seen the tracklist floating around

[loud sluice]

oh wow lol

[random pivot]

i feel like if it was fake we would know

[limber hatch]

i hope all songs get mvs this time too

[coral grove]

But isnt this tracklist from keyboard smash and tshirts?

Most of it

[muted axle]

i think the plan with trench was to slowly reveal the songs as the singles released then reveal the entire tracklist when the album dropped

[random pivot]

i’ve never fallen for a fake tracklist and i believed this tracklist right away so

[hollow agate]

if we have to wait until september i'm gonna lose it 😭

[muted axle]

so i have a feeling we won't get the tracklist until september

even if this is maybe a real leak

[random pivot]

eh i feel like they were gonna give us the tracklist with the second single regardless

[muted axle]

next single could maybe confirm it or debunk it

[last cove]

It's very believable, but also a lot of the titles are things we've heard before from other sources, I definitely would be happy if it was real,
but i'm skeptical for now

[limber hatch]

when are we expecting the second single?

[random pivot]

july ig

[gentle rose]

I’m already betting flowers will be the second single

[random pivot]

100%

flowers july 17

you heard it first here

[gentle rose]

I’m thinking July 10

We need to point to early September

For the album

[neat swift]

This is more likely if they follow Clancy’s rollout

[gentle rose]

Yeah exactly

[random pivot]

true

[pseudo oyster]

chat if single 2 drops when i'm on holiday i'll sob

[regal otter]

i changed my mind i think the tracklist is fake there are too many inconsistencies in the story

[nova bough]

Its random but could anyone send the noted emote?

[random pivot]

FUCK I THINK JULY 10 IM ON A TRIP

whatever no matter where i am i am locking in whenever it drops

[loud sluice]

i don’t wanna have the title and tracklist on the cover, and i’m pretty sure the cover with the title is fake,,,,,
but i’m sure the tracklist is real lol

[random pivot]

idk why they wanna keep us in the shadows with the tracklists now after showing us the tracklists for two albums straight ngl

if the leak is real (it is) they should just post it themselves atp

[main knoll]

According to mojib it apparently has more to do with the order of the tracklist which is in itself interesting

[wintry sleet]

I figure we'll end up with a sticker for the title like scaled and icy

[random pivot]

what does that even mean

[muted axle]

he said the tracklist isn't secretive, the order of the singles is

[main knoll]

Ohhhhhh sorry the singles, my bad

[limber hatch]

who is mojib

[pseudo oyster]

hasitleaked on twitter

[random pivot]

really trustworthy leaker

[muted axle]

insider in the music industry from HasItLeaked

[gentle rose]

I ordered the transparent blue one yesterday

[random pivot]

learned from them about the linkin park reunion like a week early for example

[pseudo oyster]

got it right that muse would tease a comeback in may

and they posted an old performance that had a new lyric in it for their new song before may ended

[random pivot]

that’s why i said im 99 or 98% confident that the tracklist we just saw is the real one

[pseudo oyster]

plus didn't UO leak something about sai or am i going crazy

[random pivot]

clancy

[knotty pine]

UO leaked clancy album cover and tracklist

[pseudo oyster]

that was barnes and noble no?

[knotty pine]

both iirc

[hollow agate]

idk i'm starting to doubt it 😭 why would urban outfitters be the only one with a unique cover for the vinyl?

[random pivot]

yeah

[pseudo oyster]

b&n leaked the cover and date and vk had the tracklist

[slender agate]

Barnes and Noble leaked release date of Breach

[pseudo oyster]

never said they're the only one, just the only one to fuck up and put it out

[hollow agate]

but... they have to use an accurate photo for the listing right? otherwise it's false advertising

[muted axle]

im calling the cover fake because they cant sell something they dont advertise
but the tracklist is possible

[hollow agate]

the tracklist does sound very real. just the situation surrounding it seems off

[muted axle]

like there's one universe where the guy that put the screenshot out knows the tracklist and edited the photo to make it seem like a mistake

but if we go by occam's razor the tracklist is likely to also be fake

[pseudo oyster]

but then why do they have the copyright material on the shirt?

i doubt they'd sell a shirt with copyright jargon

[muted axle]

idk they have it in the ads too

alongside the symbols

[hollow agate]

its accurate enough to depict 'this shirt has text on it' without putting word for word what it is? i dont know much about all that though so idk

[muted axle]

but don't buy the shirt expecting it to have a tracklist on it because more likely than not you're getting what they advertise

[hollow agate]

yeah like it could say anything. i think it being a tracklist is likely because trench had the same thing. it wont have copyright info on it but definitely Something

[slender agate]

I feel like they would’ve done something more creative than just making it blurry incorrect text considering when Trench had the tracklist on the cover and they “covered it with tape”

[muted axle]

they didnt start selling trench physical copies until the tracklist was out

[random pivot]

is twitter working weird to anyone else

[gritty imp]

it isn’t blurry incorrectly just low res

someone give tldr on this

[muted axle]

on everythin

[gritty imp]

yeah

[slender agate]

No, but the jumpsuit and Nico and the Niners single cover was the exact cover just with the titles of the other songs taped over

[muted axle]

a recap of it all

• screenshot posted on reddit of an alleged leak on urban outfitters
• the album cover of the UO exclusive vinyl has the album title and tracklist on it

could it be real?

• it looks pretty damn good
• it's possible an exclusive vinyl could have an exclusive cover
• the leaker could have access to the real tracklist and just edited it onto an image of the vinyl (why tho?)

why would it be fake then?

• screenshots of the same listing ~22 hours ago show the normal cover art, no tracklist
• urban outfitters support says the photo of the listing has not changed
• no wayback machine snapshots to confirm/deny the claims

there are also ethical/legal questions regarding the possibility of the actual cover having the tracklist on it:

• every advertisement, web store and every variant of the physical album shows the cover without any text/tracklist.
• having the urban outfitters exclusive vinyl be listed with the usual cover art, only for it to be shipped with a different cover art calls into question the legality of it. the european union especially has strict laws about products not being sold as advertised.

conclusion? idfk make your own

[slender agate]

The word lengths don’t line up at all between the T-shirts and the Urban outfitters thing so definitely not a resolution problem

[hollow agate]

maybe they didnt do anything creative with it since it isnt on the main album cover, just on some pieces of merch so it wasnt worth it. or something

[hollow agate]

thats cause one is just a placeholder

[random pivot]

why are we even associating the vinyl cover with the shirt

[slender agate]

I was responding to someone telling me the t-shirt ones are the same as the leaked ones just a resolution difference

[hollow agate]

OH LOL im stupid and cant read sorry

[random pivot]

maybe they ain’t even supposed to be the same thing to begin with

[slender agate]

The problem is the only source we have that the leak even happened is a single Reddit post claiming a photo change when we have no actual proof it’s not a photoshop

[random pivot]

i gotta say it’s pretty weird to have the copyright shit on a shirt but idk

[slender agate]

Especially when multiple songs are direct name rips from digital remains

[random pivot]

and hasitleaked saying that picture deffo shouldn’t be out there

[gritty imp]

what’s the source on the hasitleakrd guy saying anything

[main knoll]

This is my understanding, may be wrong: we’re not sure if the UO image was a mistake and the wrong asset was used for the cover of the vinyl (ie the shirt graphic was swapped with the album cover). There’s also a chance the copyright stuff was a placeholder for the eventual tracklist

[slender agate]

But it can’t be real unless it’s a product not currently on sale because of false Advertising laws

Because all other listings don’t have any of that stuff on it

[wintry sleet]

It could literally just be a sticker on the cling wrap thou

[main knoll]

There’s frankly too many possibilities rn lol

[slender agate]

All the new logos and stuff are on the cling wrap?

[random pivot]

i’m 99% confident the tracklist is accurate

[last cove]

wouldn't the product images be provided by twenty one pilots though? UO doesn't have copies of the record yet
how would the shirt graphic end up edited onto an image with the disc?

[wintry sleet]

This is how we had the title for sai

[main knoll]

No idea, just repeating other possibilities that I’ve seen folks say here 🤷‍♀️

[pseudo oyster]

like the tracklist seems so real because fake tracklist leaks will always sound like they're too forced to be real titles, it sounds like someone forcing themselves to sound like the band

[slender agate]

But that’s not the image we have the “leaked image” is of an alternate album cover

[pseudo oyster]

this one just seems right

[gritty imp]

my take: the urban outfitters screen cap is fake. the hasitleaked guy is misunderstood/misunderstanding. the text on the tshirt and vinyl listing is just copyright

[main knoll]

We don’t know that’s it’s an altered album cover 100% iirc

[random pivot]

yeah, in this cases put it this way, the team sends retails and everyone who needs it a google drive with all of the assets. its pretty possible and not crazy at all that it was a mistake of literally one specific worker messing them up

[hollow agate]

its harder this time because some of these titles are things we've seen already so it SEEMS like it could be real when it could just as likely be fake

[slender agate]

It has to be unless all the other album listings are False Advertisements. There are legal reasons they can’t change the cover significantly like that on release

[wintry sleet]

Chances are they have mock ups done at the very least I don't know if I believe the tracklist but it is at least a little possible

[random pivot]

hasitleaked guy had the tracklist before this

[main knoll]

Sorry if I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying; what I’m trying to say is it may just be a mistake on the website; we don’t know whether it’s a mistake or a true alternate cover

[slender agate]

Ah, well a lot of people at first were saying it was the real album cover

[last cove]

it's kinda a weird choice if it were an alternate cover? it's just the same cover with something added on top, not anything different like cover variants we've seen before

[slender agate]

I still just think if we were going to get Drag Path, it would’ve been on Clancy. Because it was specifically mentioned in the I am Clancy

[main knoll]

Yeah, we don’t know that yet unfortunately

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 14!

[random pivot]

again it can just not be an alt cover. just a misplaced asset

[gritty imp]

what did he say exactly like what’s the ss on this

[random pivot]

i don’t have it

sorry

[last cove]

from what though? it would have to be intentionally put onto the vinyl variant, even though they already have an established template for all the variants

[slender agate]

People think it could be the actual t-shirt image

Because you can’t read the t-shirt properly on the website currently

Or something with a similar image

[random pivot]

it can be from a booklet (not booklet i just don’t know the specific terminology for it on a vinyl) inside the album and not the album cover itself as the store needs pictures of everything on the copy not just the album cover

[random pivot]

.

[muted axle]

this is all he has said on this

one of them is cut off he says "i might just not have access to exclusive stuff"

i believe the cover art is fake

[slender agate]

So he’s said he hasn’t seen the full tracklist

Just 3 singles

[muted axle]

yeah and he hasn't seen that cover art either

with the tracklist

[slender agate]

So yeah, I really feel like with Graffiti being one of the fake songs on that one site combined with drag path being digital remains I think this is pretty likely fake

[hollow agate]

i'm leaning towards fake too

[wintry sleet]

I think it's the bottom message here that has people believing, but in context with the rest of what you sent it doesn't sound like it's real

[midnight briar]

wait what 3 singles?

[last cove]

this definitely confirms it's fake imo

[slender agate]

That seems more along the lines of him saying “if it is accurate they really f’d up”

[random pivot]

i think specifically the context of this whole stream of messages is what leads me to think this is real

[muted axle]

he doesn't know if it's real and assumed it's a real leak, then couldn't find the cover art himself and elaborated that he only knows about 12+ songs and the 3 singles, and this cover art isn't anywhere to be found

[slender agate]

I honestly wouldn’t be super shocked if the album tracklist isn’t 100% set yet

Tyler could be sitting on like 16 songs trimming down to 14

[random pivot]

after 2 years you would guess they would have a full tracklist already

[slender agate]

Clancy took like 6 years and that album had songs that were left on the cutting room floor in favor of songs he had to be talked into including.

So I could see them having 2 or 3 up in the air

[random pivot]

if anything i believe clancy is the album that took the least amount of time

[fresh quiver]

what were the 3 singles he mentioned

[muted axle]

he didn't say anything else

[wintry sleet]

Vinyl can take up to 3 months to get printed so it would be cutting it fine to not have tracklist set

[slender agate]

Wasn’t Clancy supposed to come out when SAI did originally? Then they actually spend like 6 years refining it

[fresh quiver]

didn’t he say he sent 3 singles

[wintry sleet]

If he told us that he'd probaly get fired lol

[random pivot]

we are taking about tyler joseph and about an album that has been in the drafts since 2019, this tracklist is done.

[slender agate]

Which is fair, TOP leaks things on their own time unless it’s a physical copy getting out

[gritty imp]

yeah it looks like he’s saying this isn’t legit. the seldom surface, drag path, etc. tracklist has been going around for a long time

[stiff fable]

clancy didnt take very long i dont think

it came out in uhh may

and in one of the bts videos paul said "when i got to columbus in august to start working on clancy with tyler-"

which is absolutely INSANE if it only took like 8 months

[slender agate]

Clancy was planned to originally come out in SAI’s place though?

[gentle rose]

8 months to produce the best album of all time

[slender agate]

SAI only exists because of Covid

[random pivot]

no offense to clancy cause it’s my second favorite top album, but you can really tell the tracklist of clancy is all over the place.

[gritty imp]

if he’s saying all this stuff, why pump fake and say “i’ve been told not to tell people “

[gentle rose]

we needed sai that summer honestly, luckily the world is a lot brighter and hopeful these days

[slender agate]

But still crazy turnaround on recording and producing

[random pivot]

not specifically clancy, just a trench continuation, then he put it on hold and worked on sai and while working on sai he simultaneously started working on the trench sequel again, at some point that sequel branched and he started to work in clancy basically in 2023, so breach is what originally was clancy

you can tell that’s the case because again, the contract is pretty guitar heavy, and if it’s been in the drafts since 2019/2020 that’s exactly when tyler started to pick up guitar.

and when listening to clancy you can tell he knew overcompensate was first and paladin was last, but everything in between is just juggled up and mashed in a weird way with little to no cohesion (again no hate it’s my second favorite top album it’s just a different approach)

[queen hornet]

not me waiting for the confirmed fake stuff channel to turn white after the allgedely leaked tracklist

[slender agate]

I mean, their albums don’t have traditional flow of other artists anyway.

[stiff fable]

I genuinely understand what you mean

I adore the record it’s so good

And at the same time… idk “it feels rushed” sounds so negative and I don’t mean it that way

But like I can kinda see how they did it in less than a year? It’s a masterpiece for that timeline if true but I can kinda tell, I guess

idk how to say that without it sounding like a diss 😭

[random pivot]

it’s not about "flowing like other artists" it’s just about cohesion if anything it’s more standard in industry nowadays to have albums just not have proper cohesion and feel kinda disjointed

[random pivot]

exactly

it does feel kinda rushed

it’s done amazingly cause it’s something you don’t notice till you piece together how they made the album

but it does feel rushed

just look at how short most songs are for example

[gentle rose]

one of my favourite beatles albums is their most rushed one, the chaotic storm produces absolute beauty

i think the albums themes are a bit too loose for what the album was promised to be

[random pivot]

i think clancy is a really cute album about the fear of fucking up and it dropped at a time where i was feeling exactly that way so ill always love the album cause it also gave me amazing memories i saw them live whatever

but i just wish it was more like trench as it felt like they were leading into

but i still love it

whatever that wasn’t my point

[gentle rose]

i love clancy the way it is

its the appeal of the album for me, i dont want it to be a trench 2

[stiff fable]

me finishing my thesis about 4 minutes before it was due 💀

[wintry sleet]

Think if the Craving was after oldies station the flow would be better but I love it all the same

[random pivot]

i lost the plot so ima just say the contract is amazing i haven’t felt this satisfied with a lead single since i heard jumpsuit first back in 2018

[random pivot]

actually the the craving to lavish flow is one of the few songs that i think it’s needed that they are placed like that in the tracklist

two slow uke songs in a row would kill a lot of momentum

[wintry sleet]

I just always find it's throws me after vignette but I get what you mean

[remote tusk]

Smithereens to Neon Gravestones is still a bigger whiplash anyway

[wintry sleet]

Facts

[random pivot]

ngl i love the craving but i end up skipping it most of the times when im working on something with the album on the background

[gentle rose]

The ending of smithereens does not exist in my head without hearing that piano B note right after

[random pivot]

and it’s weird cause for example it doesn’t happen to me with the neon gravestones whiplash

i always let the song play

[gentle rose]

MY ENTIRE COMPUTER IS PITCHED UP I AM GOING CRAZY

[random pivot]

but tbf i’m a trench meatrider

[slender agate]

I feel like Scaled and Icy also is a weird one just because No Chances exists in an otherwise pretty poppy album

[gentle rose]

TS IS NOT B MINOR

[wintry sleet]

Different kind of emotional I suppose

[random pivot]

i mean no chances is pretty pop too in edm standards

[gentle rose]

no chances has such a cool flip between gritty and pop

[random pivot]

true

[gentle rose]

wish SAI couldve explored it further but it seems were getting that with breach... as PROMISED

[slender agate]

I love No Chances, it’s just a crazy vibe shift from the rest of the album

[random pivot]

i mean i like the dirty bass on the rap verses and i like the chorus on the guitar it’s just the edm break and the we come for you chant that sometimes throw me off in the song

not my cup of tea ig

[slender agate]

I have a really wide music taste, I’m just not good at looking into new stuff because I like staying in the comfort of stuff I know. Which is why there is exactly only one song in the entire discography that I dislike. And only one additional that I consider a skip

[random pivot]

i’m the pure definition of i listen to everything tbh

[slender agate]

Not a fan of “Be Concerned” and I need to be really in the right headspace to not skip Before you start your day

Every other song I could listen to on repeat

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 7!

[hollow agate]

omg are you me. be concerned is the only song i don’t like either but i love literally everything else

[slender agate]

I’ve only listened to it like 2 or 3 times because it’s so jarring having that section that’s not Tyler. Which it’s weird that it was a problem for that song but I love Kitchen Sink

Or which song is Tyler’s brother on

My brain isn’t working right now

[random pivot]

kitchen sink yeah

i’m sorry i can’t stand tyler’s brother’s verse

he’s not only a terrible human he is also a horrible rapper i see

be concerned i think i listened to it one time in my whole life its also not my cup of tea

[hollow agate]

you and i are the exact same omg i dont like it for the same reason. i’m here for tyler not anyone else 😭

josh is the only exception

[random pivot]

i’d fw kitchen sink more if that dumb verse just wasn’t there

[slender agate]

I was about to say, you and I both know we’d freak out if we get a torchbearer song sung by Josh

[hollow agate]

fr we need a josh verse on breach or else

[random pivot]

it should be legal to let me murder someone irl and not get any backlash for it every time i am forced to hear tyler’s brother on kitchen sink

like i’m a rock head but as a rap head too that verse is painful

[gentle rose]

He wasn't terrible at rapping on that song but RAB is a mixtape type shit

[thin copper]

yeah i feel like some of the tracks had more potential :/

[slender agate]

The verse is almost 100% written by Tyler

[random pivot]

it’s not even about the lyrics

it’s his delivery

[thin copper]

Clancy is probably my favorite album in some aspects but you can indeed kinda feel that it was... not rushed, but not as fully fleshed out as it could be

[gentle rose]

The fact that every song besides Paladin is under 4 minutes definitely demonstrates that idea

[pastel shadow]

blue wire is the neutral wire, clancy symbolizing neutrality?

[gentle rose]

Ooh

[thin copper]

even the global pacing of the album is weird like sometimes it feels like the album is constantly running

idk the right words lol

[old jay]

Where is this channel or server

[thin copper]

Trench has slower moments, like the song is taking its time between two parts, or some songs are just slower

Clancy feels more cramped if that makes sense

[wintry sleet]

I'm not part of it I'm not sure, I just grabbed that when nick sent it in

[gentle rose]

Clancy is non stop in pace and then just grinds to a halt around the craving

[hollow agate]

i love the craving but i do tend to skip it 😭 or listen to the single version instead to keep the momentum going

[safe jacinth]

Anything new come up? Or still only the track list

[hollow agate]

just the tracklist

[safe jacinth]

Lame

[thin copper]

but btw Clancy is the album i'm the most listening to since it came out

like, i'm not hating on it

[gentle rose]

No song on the album is bad just the ordering and consistency is not there

Yet I dont care becasue the music is so good and moving

[hollow agate]

clancy is my favourite album ever i love it more than words can express and mentally i’m still there, i’m not quite ready for breach

[gentle rose]

Clancy is my favorite too and given the tracklist for Breach, my hope for it overtaking Clancy just might come true

I’m with you on not being ready for it tho

[thin copper]

do u guys just realize that when Breach comes out, we're gonna have the ending of the whole storyline

[hollow agate]

i think breach might overtake clancy for me too, its just weird because im so used to having multiple years to sit with albums and this all feels so fast lol 😭

[thin copper]

just not the visual version of it probably (maybe an MV at the end or later on), but song-wise, that's gonna be it

[gentle rose]

Ik I’m so not ready for it to end

[thin copper]

the end.

[gentle rose]

We probably won’t even need any theory chats when it’s all over

[heavy wasp]

i am for real not ready for that..

[neon badge]

what three singles did he tell us huh?
what did i miss
did anyone confirm the tracklist fake?
i think it looks fake
i think on the merch, you could definitely tell that the first words spelled fueled by ramen

[heavy wasp]

after all this ends ima be looking back, remembering the times we all theorized all of this and uh, what else was i gonna say..

[slender agate]

He has said they won’t stop telling stories just they will move onto new ones

Though I imagine maybe not as elaborate

[wintry sleet]

He didn't, he just mentioned there were 3 singles coming

[thin copper]

i see them making new concept albums but standalone

[heavy wasp]

yeah, ngl

[thin copper]

though i feel like we might also get Blurryface cameos lol

[granite monolith]

Rename it to interpretations or smth then we can still theorise on songs and connections

[gentle rose]

Tbh that’s not nearly as cool as talking about new lore

[loud sluice]

rename it to hallucination or smth

[slender agate]

I mean we can always theorize the meanings of individual songs. Because even non-lore songs have had individual stories

[neon badge]

ah ty
i just know about the „leak“ when someone commented on youtube the tracklist and what the songs sound like

[granite monolith]

Maybe not for everyone but I still like it and the chat is my fav one here. Id be heartbroken to lose it

[thin copper]

that's gonna be weird if they stop being this cryptic and just go like "here u go here's ur new album fuck u"

[granite monolith]

God I hope not. I hope they keep blurryface in some obscure teasy way

I feel like there's lots they will keep, I don't see them abandoning their love of the fpe acronym

[slender agate]

That would be wild. But not their style. Tyler keeps it professional there but then hosts a random live stream to roast all of us

[thin copper]

no of course the "fuck u" part was a joke

he wouldn't say that lmao

[slender agate]

I still remember being on the bus home from high school watching Tyler scream at us on instagram live over the Trench leaks

[gloomy elm]

WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT

[heavy wasp]

i am not forGETTING THAT

[loud sluice]

i think the next album after breach is really gonna be so different from the usual, no fpe, no lore, just pure music

[heavy wasp]

that was funny

[slender agate]

“I just got my copy today!! Some of you had the physical album before I did!”

[pastel shadow]

so is the tracklist fake?

[slender agate]

No way to be 100% certain but more likely than not it’s fake

[neon badge]

he was a little bit mad

[thin copper]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-tyler-josh-dun-josh-leak-gif-8860406183322468944

[slender agate]

They had a special planned video of him and Josh opening the brand new CD just for some target employee to leak the entire album and get a physical copy first

[neon badge]

josh being 😃😀..😠

[thin copper]

for Clancy i feel like he was kinda mad but in a non-serious way, like exaggerating for the bit

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-did-you-hear-the-leak-gif-10457097084117671237

[slender agate]

Clancy it’s hard to tell because it’s likely either he was the one that leaked it or it was specifically them delaying the album that caused it

Man had the balloon ready for the bit

[thin copper]

they kinda asked for it to happen yeah

i mean they literally did listening parties

people have what we call "phones", that have "cameras" and "microphones"

= people recorded that shit = album would've leaked through the listening parties anyway

[slender agate]

I felt so proud of myself for not listening to the leak. Instead of listening to the leaks I experienced it for the first time at midnight while hiding in a room at work because I was on light duty with a dislocated shoulder

But I still laughed like crazy at Tyler calling everyone leakers

[pastel shadow]

hell, I invited the girl who had the Clancy CD to the discord and it spread from there

[neon badge]

i think it‘s fake
it‘s completely different words than on the merch and the second logo is also different

[pastel shadow]

(not this server, just in case)

[neon badge]

the B is also different

[gentle rose]

The second thing that you inserted is copyright info, which they wouldn’t put on the cover, it was most likely a placeholder for smth else, like the tracklist

[slender agate]

None of the album covers have writing or symbols on them though. For that to be the accurate cover would legitimately be false advertising

[loud sluice]

i remember i specifically only listened to the midwest indigo leak, ’cause one song was enough to wait a week before the album dropped

[gentle rose]

Well they probably would wait to reveal it

Like how the Trench tracklist was covered in yellow tape before it was announced

[quasi shore]

That second symbol which we've never seen looks too different. FPE symbol which we've barely seen looks off. Other 3 are easily found assets and look perfect ofc. Seems fake to me too

[neon badge]

but it‘s on the merch shirt, and not readable anyways..
hm idk
but then the B and second logo would still be different

[slender agate]

You couldn’t order trench before hand. That was a cover for a pair of singles

The singles still have that cover

[gentle rose]

I can’t even find the singles on Apple Music

[neon badge]

that‘s true too
why would their album cover have the tracklist and symbols on the front and not even on the back

[slender agate]

If they were to sell the album with the cover the way it is and then change the cover half way through the cycle without it being a completely different product listing so those who ordered it without lettering got it without lettering they’d be opening up millions of dollars in lawsuits

[slender agate]

It was delisted.

I own it still so I can see it

[gentle rose]

I know that’s what the cover was

[slender agate]

I took that screenshot now to show it’s still there lol

[gentle rose]

Yeah I assumed so

[slender agate]

They delisted it when they released Levitate

Because only once Levitate was released did they allow album preorders even of physicals

Because false advertising laws are stupid strict

[gentle rose]

They advertised Clancy as the end of the lore

[slender agate]

That’s not nearly the same thing because that wasn’t listed on any pages actually selling the product or on the product itself.

[fiery nova]

Is Breach coming out on the 5th or the 19th

[slender agate]

Yes

[fiery nova]

😂

UK says 5th Amazon says the 19th

[slender agate]

Apparently Barnes and Noble leaked the 5th but some sites aren’t delivering their vinyls until the 19th I think

[gentle rose]

I’m still going with the 5th cause why would they release the album the day after tour begins

[slender agate]

I mean that would definitely be something Tyler would do lol

[fiery nova]

Yeah that’s fair, I was going more with the 5th too

[slender agate]

Give a single show a sneak peak

[gentle rose]

Why is the Dema YouTube channel posting that the tracklist is confirmed fake I need an explanation

[neat swift]

where is it confirmed to be fake?

[slender agate]

One of the biggest leak people has said he hasn’t been able to get a tracklist and that the screenshot doesn’t look like any of the assets he had.

[gentle rose]

That’s just it I don’t know, but a big TOP YouTuber is saying it is

And not explaining

[slender agate]

It’s been talked about earlier here and in verified theorists

[neat swift]

huh ok

[stiff fable]

it’s not confirmed real or fake

[neat swift]

what happened to the peanut butter jelly time banana :(

why is it dead :((

[neat swift]

ALSO, THIS JUST MAKES IT EVEN MORE CONFUSING

IM SO LOST

[slender agate]

Yeah, it’s more like “it’s a higher chance it’s not real seeing as the only source is a single Reddit post but we have no way to know for sure until we actually get the tracklist from the band themselves”

[high summit]

All we know, someone on Reddit said they saw the tracklist on urban outfitters and posted about it, they are the only person to have said that they’ve seen it, urban outfitters has since deleted some stuff, we just gotta wait and see if that person made it up or not

As far as I know anyway

[stone flame]

and it seems like the urban outfitters thing was a sponsored ad they saw and not the actual listing

but that’s also very ??? we don’t know for sure

all we can do is wait

[high summit]

Which is exactly how the live nation breach tour got leaked

[slender agate]

Apparently Hasitleaked guy has said it doesn’t match the assets he has in his collection of vinyl cover images

And not even he has the tracklist just knows it’s a minimum of 12 songs

[stiff fable]

yea he said he hasn’t seen a single graphic with the tracklist on it like that, but he also said that that leak should NOT have been released. he called it a “leak”, and indicated it was definitely a mistake

so it’s confusing asf

image itself is questionable but his response to the list feels like it’s a correct one

[slender agate]

I mean the phrasing is along the lines of “if it is real it shouldn’t exist”

Not that it is real

[high summit]

My guess is we will know for sure within the first two weeks of July, perhaps when we get our next single as well

[slender agate]

If they follow the Trench timeline we get a single next month along with digital preorders that will have the full tracklist

[high summit]

Following the Clancy timeline too

[slender agate]

I think with Trench it was a single at 3 weeks and 6 weeks after first single and the album announcement

Just for there to then be a long gap before album release

[high summit]

For Clancy they released overcompensate in February, then next semester in March, so just sometime next month

I’m sure there’s a hidden Easter egg somewhere of what date

[slender agate]

Levitate I know for sure was a Wednesday release because I remember feeling it was really weird

[sharp peak]

I claim the song Blue Wire

[untold granite]

It had leaked a day early thats why

Levitate

[slender agate]

Well Ive never listened to any of the leaks. So unless you mean the leak caused them to officially release it Wednesday

[high summit]

Blurryface could leak smth again too

[granite monolith]

Wait we've been told the 3 singles names?

[high summit]

But he’s been quite

[slender agate]

He hasn’t given names because it could get him fired, just that there will be 3

[granite monolith]

Ohhh

[gentle rose]

This really is so confusing

[untold granite]

Yeah i think so because for some reason it let people listen to it on deezer

[gentle rose]

Like TOP need to drop the tracklist in the next week purely to confirm or deny this leak

[granite monolith]

Tbf I still think it'll be flowers and graffiti but the fact it's hidden because it's so lore impactful is so worrying for the other... 11 tracks

[slender agate]

I don’t think Graffiti is going to be a real song title. Just because it is one of the fake songs from that one thing that happened a few days ago

That’s part of why I’m doubting the tracklist

[granite monolith]

It was in the digital remains so if drag path is, it is too

[stone flame]

i don’t think they’re going to release the tracklist early just because of this. they seem to be on a specific schedule and there’s a reason why they’re withholding it (like they did with trench, at first)

[high summit]

I feel bad if it is real, as that person said everything is very particular about these announcements and rollout, I think I’ll just ignore all this now 😭

[slender agate]

That’s another thing that doesn’t sit right with me. Why release digital remains with information of songs that got scrapped if you knew those songs were being released in a year anyway

[stone flame]

a teaser

[gentle rose]

That’s the one thing that never sat right with me

[high summit]

Yeah I think they just wanted to tease it

[slender agate]

But didn’t they give the lyrics of the songs? That’s not a teaser it’s a full on spoiler

[stone flame]

they teased the ultimate/final chapter 25 thing in digital remains too. so it makes me think drag path has to show up in some form but it might not be called drag path (or devil’s eyes)

[high summit]

I don’t think it was the whole song

[proven ruin]

what is the suspected tracklist

[granite monolith]

Not fully, most of them are covered up or obscured

[quasi shore]

That "no" is really funny bc he could be saying if a leak is out there then "no I won't confirm it" or "no. debunking doesn't count"

[granite monolith]

We have silver weighted sun in full because it was turned into overcomp/backslide. But we have very little outside of the name for graffiti

[gentle rose]

1: The Contract
||2: Flowers||
||3: Graffiti||
||4: Drag Path (Devil’s Eyes)||
||5: No Kin||
||6: Blue Wire||
||7: Seldom Surface||
||8: Halfway Home||
||9: Glass Lungs||
||10: Blindfold||
||11: Split||
||12: Crossfire||
||13: Is This Really You?||
||14: Do You Feel At Home?||

[proven ruin]

where was this found? ._.

[quasi shore]

9 feels like trying too hard to be the one weird one

[fiery nova]

Urban Oufitters

[gentle rose]

Urban outfitters accidentally leaked the tracklist through their variant of Breach but they fixed it

[proven ruin]

oh crap so its like confirmed

[wintry sleet]

No....

[granite monolith]

9 is the one that fits best imo

[stone flame]

we don’t know for sure

[slender agate]

Our only source that it even came from urban outfitters is a Reddit post

There is only 1 total screenshot

[stone flame]

only one person has been able to find it. we would feel more comfortable declaring it real/fake if multiple people were able to find it like this person has but no such luck

[slender agate]

So it could easily be a Photoshop

[granite monolith]

Yeah, could easily not be but hasitleaked guy is being oddly coy

[proven ruin]

oh... and no support for it?

[fiery nova]

No

[proven ruin]

hmmmm

[slender agate]

We are in the situation of “it could be real, feels sorta fake but won’t know for sure until the band releases the actual list”

[granite monolith]

Welcome back fake Clancy tracklists

[fiery nova]

Flowers was interesting tho

[quasi shore]

Posted by a redditer who is active in a lot of AI subs claiming it's a screenshot from UO who changed the image, but earlier screenshots of the UO page shows the typical image and UO says it hasnt changed.

[gentle rose]

If Flowers is the second single in a month or so then we’ll have more reason to suspect this tracklist is real

[proven ruin]

on the t shirt, have we tried to figure out what fits by using the fueled by ramed first part?

[gentle rose]

When did UO say it never changed

[granite monolith]

...oh nvm I do not believe

[granite monolith]

Tbf why would they admit to a leak

[proven ruin]

#1212496851123699784 message yeah thats what i am thinking this thingy

[quasi shore]

bc customer service wouldn't know anything except the data on the item pages

[fiery nova]

It would. Also since we found that png file name of flowers

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[granite monolith]

But customer service will also, I assume, have been told "hey if X happens say y"

Customer service workers aren't told "be as honest as you can". Number 1 policy is always protect the companies integrity

[slender agate]

I mean the person didn’t ask “hey did this other image show up” it was just “did the image change at all”

[proven ruin]

alot of these, that arnt ones we have found, dont really make any sense.... like i have no clue how blue wire or split could tie in

[quasi shore]

I mean there's also posts and images about the UO variant from like minutes after the page went up. Image hasn't changed. This is just one redditor. No one else claims to have seen the tracklist image.

[fiery nova]

Just the color blue being mentioned is concerning if it were true

Probably thinking too much into it but yknow

[slender agate]

The fact the tracklist is 2 digital remains songs and then also includes “Do you feel at home?” Which I feel like I started seeing a week or two ago with people trying to still force keyboard smash theory makes it feel wrong

But it could be real we won’t know for probably like three weeks

[gentle rose]

But this tracklist isn’t really forcing the keysmash cause if you take the supposed songs there are 3 letters missing in the keysmash with no Breach song to it

[stone flame]

“do you feel/feef at home” was on one of tyler’s tour shirts. so it’s kinda hard to call all this confirmation bias when we know that phrase itself has to mean something, since the band themselves gave us that—same thing with drag path (and tyler’s other shirt phrases)

but those could also be lyrics. we don’t know yet

[slender agate]

That definitely feels more like a lyric than a song title

[stone flame]

it sounds fake with the inclusion of those things but the band gave us those phrases so it’s all a weird situation to be in

kinda like how we got I Am Clancy. it feels off-kilter to have them acknowledge something that was only known by fans for such a long time

[slender agate]

And after going to look at the Dragpath page of digital remains, unless it has a second page that wasn’t shown we have the full lyrics.

Because all the other song pages have the full song on one sheet of paper…

[slender agate]

I think they were originally not going to acknowledge Clancy. It really feels like in 2020 with Covid they changed plans and made Tyler and Clancy the same person.

I think Clancy’s letters were probably going to stay outside accounts until that happened

[hardy whale]

I heard the Breach Tracklist was leaked

[chilly acorn]

yup

[hardy whale]

Anyone know what it is?