Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[granite monolith]

screen is so bpd/did i love her sm

[hasty escarp]

I think it’s fan made it sounds so good tho

[wraith cove]

IT LEAKED????

[true kestrel]

is this leak real btw

[wraith cove]

How did it even happen so early😩

[granite monolith]

tbf isnt it max a month out?

[hasty escarp]

https://youtu.be/eWiv_PBTEoI?si=45_61ILDdxfyX7AB

[granite monolith]

im just sad it wasnt josh leaking this time

[true kestrel]

it feels like leave the city sm

[granite monolith]

I love this so much ngl

[gentle rose]

Bandito Tour version is BS neither of those songs had been performed for nine years at the time

[hasty escarp]

it was fan made as I said

[granite monolith]

wait ok... air catcher into migraine? yall see the vision right?

[hasty escarp]

I SEE THE VISION

[gentle rose]

No I don’t enlighten me

[hasty escarp]

underrated preformance
tear in my heart bandito tour

they performed it so well on the b stage

[granite monolith]

"now im here to give you words as tools that can destroy my heart... am I the only one I know waging my wars behind my face and above my throat?"

[visual oxide]

it does

[granite monolith]

I think itd kill me actually now that I think abt it

[visual oxide]

Is this like clancy kinda accepting defeat but also like leave the city

[gentle rose]

I don’t really see the match

[granite monolith]

admitting your deepest fears to someone you love

[gentle rose]

It’s not Clancy accepting defeat. It’s the actual flashback. Clancy is thinking on all he’s done and waiting for the right moment to strike

[granite monolith]

plus with a synth-y opening and how it ends then starts quiet

idk my monkey brain just likes the idea so mcuh

[visual oxide]

Ohh so true

[gentle rose]

You’re right about the song being about acceptance. This is the moment Clancy accepts all he’s done, and uses it for whatever is next

[urban nacelle]

Whole theory of what I think the song is about for the show (I am in love with Arcane.)

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 7!

[urban nacelle]

Either way, 10/10 song. I will be crying to it

[arctic blaze]

How you guys listened the song? Twitter/TikTok?

[urban nacelle]

The whole song was on Twitter, but majority of are viruses, so I wouldn't really look for it

If you do, be mindful and don't spoil it for anyone

[granite monolith]

ofc I get banned the same day it leaks

smh I cant have shit

[arctic blaze]

Yeah I rarely use Twitter so I'll never be able to find it ahah

I guess I have to wait a lil bit

[granite monolith]

im just gonna wait and accept that, for now, I have the fact that this song is GAS

[visual oxide]

do u guys think therell be a music video

[granite monolith]

I'm confident there will tbh

[urban nacelle]

Hopefully

I really don't think this song is linked with Clancy or anything with the story, its just a song for a show. I love it either way

[granite monolith]

But I don't think it'll be a Clancy mv

It might have parallels, but it won't follow from any lore

[mild anvil]

who up leaking they line

[granite monolith]

I'm lining out rn

I'm so |

[urban nacelle]

Line they

[granite monolith]

all im saying is 🎈

real ones know

[urban nacelle]

You'll float too?

No.

[granite monolith]

https://www.instagram.com/21pilotsarchivetr/reel/C7V9_bVND3M/

insta needs embeds on god

[gentle rose]

Oh man the whole music video has to be Clancy coming to terms with what he’s done

[visual oxide]

can’t change what you’ve done

[granite monolith]

"so stay with me" MY BLOOD??

[lusty crypt]

I'm starting to think the song is lore related

At first I did

[granite monolith]

Heard it and... Yeah we're still back

[lusty crypt]

Hmm

Double album could still be a thing

[gentle rose]

Care to check #theories I posted an idea

[lusty crypt]

It sounds like a song that would be in the middle of the album

[gentle rose]

In between Clancy part 1 and part 2 clearly

[lusty crypt]

because Twenty One Pilots has this habit of putting slow songs in the middle of their albums

And I also get this weird feeling that this song has to do with the skull on the flag that blurryface posted

It just has to there's no way

[blissful sage]

I haven’t heard it yet, but want to, is it any good?

[lusty crypt]

It's mid

In my opinion

[blissful sage]

Dang

Idk if asking where to find it is allowed here or not

[lusty crypt]

Look at the end of the song it starts to really pick up and usually with singles if it's just a single by itself it wouldn't have like a upbeat Tempo at the end sounding like it's going to go into the next song like as a transition

There has to be a double album there's no way that there isn't

[blissful sage]

The name “the line” could possibly mean the thing in between connecting the two albums together.

[lusty crypt]

The whole song is about like sacrifice in yourself sort of

[fast mason]

I personally think it’s a 9/10

[lusty crypt]

And in the digital remains you see Clancy laying on the floor while dema on fire

[fast mason]

It’s very league of legends / arcane style combined with a lot of piano which I love

[lusty crypt]

Yeah that is true but I also think it might be a song on another album

It's just at the end it starts going really fast and typically with songs like that they transition to the next song

[fast mason]

I think it won’t be on another album but it is lore related

I personally think him talking about transforming could be turning into a bishop

And Clancy is crossing the citizen / bishop line

[gentle rose]

Think about this, how did TOP address Heathens leaking on Reddit? By releasing it the next day. Maybe it’ll happen

[lusty crypt]

My only criticism on the song is I wish Josh had a bigger part on it

[gentle rose]

Yeah

Not enough drumming

But that’s why I said The Line is the real flashback, it sounds just like something from NPI

[lusty crypt]

And I might get some hate on this but it almost kind of sounds like the song was recorded while they were on tour

[lofty mural]

this shit sounds so good

[gentle rose]

The Line has the kind of drums that sound like NPI

[lusty crypt]

It might take me a few more lessons to actually enjoy it

[gentle rose]

doesn’t it

[lofty mural]

ik we just got Clancy but this has me thinking what the next album sound will be

[lusty crypt]

Well in my opinion I really get this feeling that this song could be on the double album if there is one

[gentle rose]

This is actually just like Trench. The first half was really energetic shit and the second half had way more slow things

[lofty mural]

ngl I haven't listened to npi

[lofty mural]

only a little

[gentle rose]

You should listen at least once

All the way through

[lofty mural]

I have so many albums on the list

I still gotta listen to that new don toliver and cudi album

[lusty crypt]

Look at the very end of the song it almost sounds like it's transitioning into another song

[lofty mural]

double album confirmed ....

[gentle rose]

Fr

[mild prism]

Overcompensate ?

[robust bone]

whether its on it or not we are obviously getting something else. this proves that.

[tall sand]

Npi is on TOP dude!! (Haha..no pun intended…hehe I’m so funny 😈😈)

[robust bone]

i just wonder how the Blurryface 10th anniversary is gonna interfere with this 2nd album/EP thingy

[tall sand]

Ohh good point

[gentle rose]

It probably won’t. But I’d hope for a livestream directly from London

[robust bone]

BF10 is in May

[gentle rose]

I know

[lofty mural]

I heavily doubt we're getting a second album

[gentle rose]

Why

[robust bone]

FBR is probably gonna wanna market the hell out of it while they barely did any at all for clancy

because BF has stressed out and ride, their two biggest hits

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[lofty mural]

I'm going to a show in may

[robust bone]

it will likely have to be before May, or after May

[lusty crypt]

I mean I think we are still going to get more stuff because we completed the letters so obviously something else is coming

[lofty mural]

I just want more on the lore

[robust bone]

and if were under the assumption The Line COULD be on the album as the first single maybe, typical band rollouts are what? 3 months? that would be february

i could see that working

Overcompensate started the Clancy era in February

[gentle rose]

We have to get an extended version of Clancy the evidence is all over the place

[lusty crypt]

This song kind of sounds like something that would be the second last song on an album

[tall sand]

Bro that would be sick

[gentle rose]

I can’t wait for more news from TOP

[robust bone]

i think it will be its own EP/album tbh

i cant see it being a clancy deluxe

[tall sand]

Have they said anything about the leak yet?

[vast jewel]

yall think we gonna have the line live?

[robust bone]

also theyve never really done a deluxe anyway right? except vessel ig?

[robust bone]

obviously lol

it WILL happen

[inland vale]

Can someone dm me the leak ( I promise not to listen)

[gentle rose]

Not as far as I know

[tall sand]

Oh okay

[gentle rose]

But when Heathens leaked it released the next day so come tomorrow who knows

[tall sand]

Right, right

I guess we’ll see 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[inland vale]

🙏🙏🙏

[lilac crescent]

this sounds so good i want this to be real

[lilac crescent]

heathens part two

[crude badger]

Only issue is, December is typically a bad month to release bc the holiday tunes tend to drown everything out

[robust bone]

could start in november, and release something else just after the new year, then release in february

its late november anyway right? unless they drop early because of the leak

[sturdy solar]

Has there been a leak of the full song without the stupid watermark?

[robust bone]

not that im aware of

[wet bone]

naah every song they released is like 1 month from each other

[dim lynx]

what does a song watermark do?

[wet bone]

Not completely but yeah

[robust bone]

late november and the start of january is just over a month

[sturdy solar]

Someone’s gotta use some audio editing software to remove the leaks 🙏

[dim lynx]

there has yes

[sturdy solar]

I mean the watermarks

[robust bone]

also ST dropped in december btw

[sturdy solar]

On X?

[wet bone]

Not at all m8 :p there’s still December and holidays

[dim lynx]

no

[robust bone]

nov 22nd and jan 3rd is 6 weeks, thats not too crazy of a time difference

[finite totem]

Goes hard

[lilac crescent]

where can i find the leak

[sterile glen]

st is way different because they were super young with no label or anything. it was just a debut project from three random college guys in ohio so it didn’t really matter if they released it in december because there wasn’t going to be much attention on it

[robust bone]

green day dropped a single in december last year

i dont think it matters that much tbh

they dropped their album in January

i just dont see it dropping in May because blurryface 10 is in the way

[crude badger]

For a band Green Day's size not really. They could drop something Christmas day and it'd score a million streams in its first hour because its Green Day

[robust bone]

are you underestimating TOP lol

[wet bone]

not too crazy but every time it was like MV -> 2 weekns BTS -> 2 weekns -> MV to promote, also remember that they need something like at least 10 months to write an album and Mix/Master it, have promo album, cover and label, and almost every time its like 2.5 years between each album, either on spring or fall

[crude badger]

I didnt consider that at this point in their career it doesnt really matter

[robust bone]

Clancy was in development in some form before SAI was even an idea, around 2019ish

[wet bone]

u won’t receive any answer cuz its against server rules

[robust bone]

13 songs is not all they made in that time, no way

and SAI was short and made due to the pandemic happening giving them a new idea

[wet bone]

Afaik they wrote clancy in 10 months man, same with SAI

[finite totem]

I can 100% believe this

Just haven't been doing much research lately

[wet bone]

don’t make it so obvious unless you want someone banned

[ebon solstice]

I mean really it was more like 15 songs for Clancy

Single version and I now include the line in with the album

[robust bone]

2019 was 5 years ago and Clancy dropped this year

even with SAI happening in between thats a really long time

[ebon solstice]

And an album dropped I between that lol

[wet bone]

remember they’re also on tour after every album and bandito was written on ERS if I remember correctly

[robust bone]

a very short one they made on the fly

[ebon solstice]

It's still an album that had lore around it and an entire livestream

[robust bone]

they said in 2020 they had two pretty much ready to go, one more traditional album (clancy) and one more of a risk (sai) and they didnt know which one to go with

[gentle rose]

What do you mean by watermark

[robust bone]

clancy clearly changed a bit due to SAI existing, and that just makes me think even MORE that here have been quite a few scrapped tracks

[finite totem]

I still can't believe SAI isn't the latest existing album anymore

[gentle rose]

How come

[wet bone]

“producer’s tag” that leaker put on

[robust bone]

SAI will be 4 years old in May, crazy

[finite totem]

Yeah ^^

I'll never take it...

[gentle rose]

So many things have their birthday in May. Blurryface, SAI, and Clancy

And the Johnny Boy EP

[finite totem]

Johnny Boy EP

[robust bone]

just gonna say, if they already had a lot of clancy done PRE SAI, they easily couldve made more post SAI to do while finalizing Clancy

[gentle rose]

Double album must come to us

[robust bone]

im not expecting whats next to be too long either, probably sai length

[gentle rose]

Yeah

It’s gotta add up to 25

[robust bone]

but not short enough to be an EP. for it to qualify as an EP it has to be under 25 minutes, anything longer is an album

[gentle rose]

Oh so that’s how that works

I had no idea

[robust bone]

yee

another 25 reference too, though probably unintentional there lol

[smoky cloak]

Sound wise it fits very well with Leave the City

The missing 14th clancy song

[last solar]

My ears have never heard anything this beautiful before

[scarlet spear]

Honestly think this might be my least favorite song of theirs

[wraith cove]

I made Vignette into Alt Air catcher a while ago I don’t have it in high quality anymore but it was pretty good

[ebon creek]

no words

[wraith cove]

AHHH I NEED IT I CANT FFFFFIND IT 😭

[robust bone]

and neon gravestones

[untold granite]

wonder if it'll get a music video 🤔

[smoky cloak]

same

[undone loom]

I didnt realize it was a watermark until I looked in here lmao, I thought it was something from arcane or a stylistic choice or "honestly ly ly" from that one part

[robust bone]

yeah same here lol

[undone loom]

clancy (bad ending)

[bold solstice]

I got the version without watermark 🔥

[vagrant rapids]

Same

Need

[pseudo grail]

Stop asking for the leak. You will get muted

[valid orchid]

Im actually fighting demons not listening to the leak 😭 heard a clip on instagram and ajshshshsh

Like with the clancy leak it was only a week wait but wdym i still have to wait a month 😭

The only thing keeping me from it is being able to not be the guilty one when tyler lectures us again LOL

[crude badger]

NS was really the only song in this album cycle that suffered a leak (not counting the full album obv) so, gotta make up for lost time lol

[last solar]

Btw I saw that a lot of things from arcane are being leaked, including entire scenes from some episodes, so I feel that it was bound to happen sooner or later

Also other songs from the soundtrack leaked

[tidal salmon]

it's not that serious, the jokes he's made are pretty lighthearted

[valid orchid]

I know, its all so silly

[valid orchid]

Yeahhhh

My question is how tf people manage to find it like what kind of hacking are you doing 😭

[smoky cloak]

idk id be pretty upset in the position of an artist getting stuff leaked, like at least let me leak it myself (ala Blurryface ghost tunes)

and yeah arcane has had security issues, originally it was bc of third parties being used for translation -- im not sure if the source of this leak is also third party translators tho

[bold solstice]

Insider stuff most likely

[smoky cloak]

bc idk why they would have the full mp3s of songs

[bold solstice]

Are they gonna make a music video for this?

Well I guess technically the show will be the music video

[valid orchid]

Yeahhh it kinda ruins the anticipation

[sterile glen]

the episode won’t have the whole song tho so idk

[valid orchid]

I would think theyd do something similar to the heathens mv

[smoky cloak]

ye and if this IS lore related they probably have a whole lead up planned

before the release

[valid orchid]

Clips of them and clips from the movie

Not movie haha show

[sterile glen]

it would be funny if there was no music video after tyler said he hates lyric videos/visualizers though lol. very sad dema has won

[smoky cloak]

theres gotta be a video, its the 14th clancy song

but we might not get it for a while

[lilac sandal]

Just to note, while The Line is in the right key for the Paladin Strait ending, it doesn't use the same sound anywhere

IMO this indicates one of three things:

1. The Line is not part of the storyline or does not directly follow Paladin
2. The sound was a teaser rather than actually the intro
3. There will be a separate album version

[granite pawn]

While I have not listened to the leak and don't intend to, I've heard it is heavily in favor of double album

Is this true

[normal fulcrum]

Me sitting on the file rn that I haven’t let myself listen to yet

[lilac sandal]

depends on how you interpet it, I personally think so

if it's meant to be lore connected, then definitely

if not, then we're in the same place we were with Paladin

[normal fulcrum]

I feel we won’t get anything post paladin until after the tour circuit either that or there is something post paladin floating around out there that we haven’t uncovered yet

Still believe there is something connected to paladin that we haven’t discovered

[edgy wolf]

I agree. Especially because back in June Blurry had to handfeed us the clue to connect the pieces in Digital Remains. Makes me think there are more puzzles hidden in plain sight.

[magic fjord]

cant imagine theres anything we really could have missed though

at least nothing we havent picked up on

there's the shirts but thats like the last thing

also with the DR puzzle, there wasnt anything to actually solve UNTIL they gave us the hint and usually they dont have puzzles to solve unless they actually directly say something about it

[dim lynx]

how is the line more lore rel than clancy

[magic fjord]

its not?

[dim lynx]

i think it is

"my body's on the line now, i can't fight this time"

seized

"did i disappoint you, will they still let me over"

they being trench i'm guessing

[magic fjord]

i think its up for interpretation but i really dont see storyline connections aside from the second verse

[normal fulcrum]

I still think about the way we found the teaser and if there is any other passwords to find (doubt it) and also the fact that I feel the ps mv is still just dema propaganda

[magic fjord]

definitely not more lore than the lore album we just got

[dim lynx]

the album (excluding overcompensate and paladin) was more thematically lore

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 1!

[naive quail]

the lore is the chorus

i was thinking

[dim lynx]

yeah

[magic fjord]

lore is lore

majority of the "lore" songs have not even mentioned the lore directly. theres like. 6 songs total that directly reference it. and most of those are on trench.

[dim lynx]

that's fair

i dunno this really feels like the rest of the lore songs and a lot like paladin

[magic fjord]

eh doesnt matter either way, like i said its relationship to the lore is up for interpretation at this point

[dim lynx]

i like the song a lot

[magic fjord]

the second verse feels lore-y but theres a certain minute difference between the story the line is trying to tell and the lore that makes them feel disconnected in my mind

its a great song yeah

[lusty crypt]

I bet Tyler was the one who leaked it

[scarlet hearth]

No

[lusty crypt]

Like 90% of the time

[scarlet hearth]

All of Arcane season 2 songs got leaked simultaneously

[lusty crypt]

Ahh

Maybe he leaked all of the songs

[scarlet hearth]

The leakers were wven like “dmca takedown speedrun HaHaa”

[lusty crypt]

😏

[scarlet hearth]

No

[lusty crypt]

Maybe josh

No one would see that coming

[smoky cloak]

this is not true🤔

[scarlet hearth]

No it is

Ive seen it

[untold granite]

The scripts for season 2 leaked if I'm correct

[normal fulcrum]

Bruh doubt it I used to think that prior to the live when the tench leak came out

[scarlet hearth]

The songs is all i know

I heard some of the other ones. We are in for bangers btw

Gangbusters if you will

[untold granite]

Soundtrack is pretty solid i just don't vibe with the linkin park one

[smoky cloak]

source back from july -- only partials of songs but it was about 50% of the songs (from ep 1-5) and terrriibbblleee quality

source from today for the line only leaked 1-2 other songs in full and snippets of a couple others

[scarlet hearth]

Yah im anti new linkin so hard

I dont support emily or her scientology family, I dont support what mike is doing to the branding of linkin, didnt another member leave recently because of mike? Idk not my LP

[lusty crypt]

Sometimes I wonder what Tyler's reaction is when a leak happens

[untold granite]

I hate how they handled the whole situation with Emily tbh they just brushed off all the controversy she had with a pr statement and it worked too it seemed to die down after that which surprises me

[lusty crypt]

Does he laugh or go full on rage lol

[smoky cloak]

the entire production versions of ep 1-5 leaked months ago 😭 out of 9 eps

but i wouldn't be shocked if the scripts ALSO leaked

[devout igloo]

Well the Trench IG livestream showed it

[untold granite]

No wayy

[lusty crypt]

You think that's how he reacted today lol

[smoky cloak]

they were in progress and also potato quality so count your blessings you didnt see them

[scarlet hearth]

“OOH OH NO NOT AGAIN GUYS NO NO… NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[devout igloo]

Yeah.. the songs are fine but idk i also have a weird ick to it

[devout igloo]

There is a chance though..

[lusty crypt]

Then proceeds to FaceTime josh and mark

[scarlet hearth]

It also just doesnt sound like lp anymore. Not that hands cant change i just dont like emptiness machine

[scarlet hearth]

At this point maybe he expects it and would get sad if it wasnt

[devout igloo]

The newer one sucks like a lot

[untold granite]

Yeah it's not a memorable track tbh

[scarlet hearth]

I do feel line will be arcane 2s breakout hit

Wonder when its gonna play, ooh do we think its intro???

[smoky cloak]

i dont think so, its too slow

[scarlet hearth]

Well

[smoky cloak]

and its episode 8 with 90% certainty

[scarlet hearth]

Might recall that enemy got MASSIVELY transformed for the intro

[small dust]

Fully leaked?

[scarlet hearth]

And the transformation actually made enemy slower

[smoky cloak]

sorry the 'i dont think so' was in response to the breakout hit thing not the intro idea

[scarlet hearth]

Oh

[normal fulcrum]

i didnt hear it

but was it good

[scarlet hearth]

But it IS top sooooo ya never know

[scarlet hearth]

amazing

[smoky cloak]

as far as the intro, based on what ||i saw in the leaked episodes combined with the spotify track list, i noticed the spotify list is in order of appearance, (except for enemy which is the intro in the leaked eps), which would make the line almost certainly ep 8, but it could be ep 7 or 9 ||

[scarlet hearth]

So then which one is most likely intro

If its the lp one im boycotting arcane

[smoky cloak]

||enemy was the intro in the leaked episodes||

[scarlet hearth]

Ohhhh

AGAIN? Blech

[smoky cloak]

not 100% guaranteed since those were working copies tho

[scarlet hearth]

Honestly scrap the whole soundtrack and just have top do all the songs

Hell let them write the score too

And voice vi and jinx while they are at it

I think we can all agree who should voice who

[smoky cloak]

||that one is in episode 1, if you go to this message #verified-theorists message it is the thing labeled only as "Track 1" on spotify. it only plays briefly, like maybe 30 seconds a minute at most||

[muted axle]

whenever it plays, the song is really good

[lusty crypt]

What if they come out with the music video for the line and it's actually Clancy saving everybody and crossing the line to the afterlife

[tawny wigeon]

i love this song so much

[normal fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212496851123699784/1299613675828543579/RPReplay_Final1729912365.mov?ex=671dd70d&is=671c858d&hm=b97795d7c285e65921765f3bb584fd2a9b71b8959ef7be483625c14d8a6b4e75&

I am going to bawl my eyes out so hard when arcane comes out coz this song is going to be brutal in context to the storyline

[tawny wigeon]

These lyrics are hitting so hard oh my god the lore connections are so crazy but so sad

[eternal epoch]

See lvl is nothing it’s when you spend an absurd amount of money on league that’s when it’s too far gone 🤣

[vast jewel]

id argue time is worse than money

[wraith kite]

someone please hook me up with the arcane eps

[chrome marten]

Like Season 1?

[bold solstice]

watch arcane

quick

1/2 episode per day space it out

or 3

better for enjoyment

i find binging ruins the experience

[proper kayak]

Don’t you guys think the percussion of the line resambles the percussion of i need something to kill me?

https://youtu.be/BR_FD_vQYg8?si=ACJX3fXfIWuT0unm

Or is it just me?

[gentle rose]

I think it resembles a lot of percussion from NPI

[lofty oxide]

Hey i just saw there was leak what was the leak ?

[gentle rose]

The Line leaked yesterday

[fast compass]

So

Happy we got a piano song this era. I really missed that with Clancy

[lofty oxide]

what is the line ?

[gentle rose]

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not

[lofty oxide]

not joking i didn't really follow anything on the group in like 2 month

[gentle rose]

The Line is a song TOP wrote for season 2 of Arcane

[lofty oxide]

Ah this one yeah i know that they work on music in arcane saison 2 so the entire song leak

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[lofty oxide]

The audio to or just the lyrics ?

[gentle rose]

The whole song

Music and lyrics

[lofty oxide]

That's big it's was leaked from where ?

[gentle rose]

Twitter or bluesky

[fast compass]

From my files

/j. it was blue sky /telegram

[eternal badger]

yah someones gotta remove it ||or wait for the song to release||

[devout igloo]

Okay.. since people said it sounds orchestral (haven't listened to the song), i kind of coined a theory thats not related to the show or lore..
Basically i feel like Tyler and or Josh in a way don't want to or fear of a song becoming huge like Heathens or Stressed Out, even though there are songs in Clancy with the potentional of being huge hits.. i feel like they kind of want the pressure of their record label of themselves so they can make music they like instead of making hit after hit like with many other artists
And because of that the The Line isn't like Heathens and prolly would not be a huge mainstream hit

Idk maybe i am talking my ass of right now 😅

[eternal badger]

idk i feel like its def more towards the show than the lore or anything else

[devout igloo]

I meant sound wise

Forgot to mention that

[eternal badger]

suprised chromakopia hasnt leaked yet

[eternal badger]

ah gotchu

Im glad i downloaded it but the producer tag is hella annoying, cant complain tho i got it early

[devout igloo]

Waiting for monday ngl.. i feel an Igor type album

[eternal badger]

yeah im hyped, lowkey feelin this new era

[tawny wigeon]

fr that producer tag got me cracking up 😭

[devout igloo]

I personally want them to make music they wanna make and not make music their label wants them to make (basic alt pop, radio/mainstream hits)

[eternal badger]

But like, "The Line" has to be Tylers most emotional song since Trench, I'm just imagining if it was released with Clancy it would've done so much for the album ngl

[tawny wigeon]

at first i was so confused like is this part of the song

[eternal badger]

yeahh dame

[devout igloo]

What does the producer tag say?

[tawny wigeon]

its their name i think its just some squeaky voice

[devout igloo]

😂

[tawny wigeon]

but its placed at the right moments its just so funny 😭

[devout igloo]

Maybe it is part of the song tho

[eternal badger]

lowkey could be

[devout igloo]

We never know 😏

DJ TYLER, WE THE BEST

[tawny wigeon]

Will they let me over if i cross the line *animus leak🗣️ *

[queen hornet]

the full song leaked wtf truly a twenty one pilots moments

[scarlet hearth]

Its a fire song too

[queen hornet]

this line is mine

[plain cliff]

a version leaked without the watermark

[smoky tangle]

I have a theory

The line is actually a metaphor for paladin strait as a place between trench and dema. Now generally I have my own doubts about the double album theory however! The line could be a song in-between two albums (clancy and an upcoming EP/ALBUM)

[gentle rose]

More like between Clancy and Clancy ultimate chapter

[craggy lava]

There’s a proper version without the watermark

[scarlet hearth]

But isnt the next thing going to be a new story

[tawny wigeon]

We still don’t know how this story is truly going to end

[scarlet hearth]

Maybe thats the point

[tawny wigeon]

we will probably find out next year unless we’re all wrong

[scarlet hearth]

Maybe this is how it ends

[tawny wigeon]

yeah could be but there’s a lot of signs pointing to something more

but we will find out

[scarlet hearth]

Just like the allegory, you dont know… until its over

[smoky tangle]

Yeah but if this was really the end tyler wasn't gonna tease so much about what happens after paladin..

[scarlet hearth]

He created the world

To feel some control

He’ll destroy it if he wants

[summer comet]

the man said there will be a definite end to the DEMA storyline.

[scarlet hearth]

Sureeee

[old thunder]

people really have crossed the line with leaking the song

[scarlet hearth]

I sent the leak to my crush lmao

She asked for it but then was like i just want it there if i choose to listen to it but im gonna try not to

[mossy crypt]

I'm not gonna ask for the link to the leak here... But where would I theoretically go to ask for it? (I've been searching all morning)

[scarlet hearth]

I dunnoooooo 😉

[old thunder]

should've said, if you wanna hear it we'll have to listen to it together (rizz)

[scarlet hearth]

ew no

OHHHHH

yes u right i shoulda

[old thunder]

but i do not condone listening to the leak ( if any admins are reading this👀 )

[scarlet hearth]

but I did say if she does end uo listening to it to lenme know so we can gab for hours then gave her a dunkins gift card (with rizz)

[old thunder]

oohh smoothhhh

[scarlet hearth]

I condone it. FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE WE DO NOT OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION SEIZE WHAT YOU CAN WHEN YOU CAN DOWN WITH AUTHORITY. But i wont share in the server the link

[old thunder]

i mean is it even listening to the leak if you're strapped to a chair and the song just happened to be playing

[scarlet hearth]

RIP link

Its been taken down

[old thunder]

fr?

[scarlet hearth]

Shoulda downloaded it when I had the chance

[old thunder]

the link i used still works

[scarlet hearth]

AHEM

[old thunder]

i'm not sending it obviosuly

[scarlet hearth]

Right right

Obviously

slips a brown paper bag of cash under my sleeve

[old thunder]

takes the brown paper bag

oh would you look at that, my lunch

[gentle rose]

Find someone unruly enough to dm it to you

[scarlet hearth]

WHO WOULD EVER

[mossy crypt]

Everyone here is very responsible, I most definitely haven't gotten and listened to it yet

[gentle rose]

I have

[scarlet hearth]

I DEFINITELY don’t have the link

[clear sail]

Looks like the Arcane legal team did a really good job of wiping this leak

Good on them

[scarlet hearth]

Uhhh yah real good wipe

[clear sail]

i mean I'm sure some people have it downloaded lol

[scarlet hearth]

LMAO

[clear sail]

But if it gets posted anywhere it's an instant takedown

[scarlet hearth]

NAW IF I FIND ANY OF YOU WITH A DOWNLOAD

HOW CAN YOU

HOW CAN YOU TO THIS GUY

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-joseph-twenty-one-pilots-concert-smile-okay-gif-5486335

LOOK HIM IN THE EYES

[clear sail]

Tbf this time around it's the corporate overlords behind Arcane getting screwed over

[scarlet hearth]

OH

fuck them yah fuck corporations

I dont HAVE A DOWNLOAD

Huh

[grand summit]

Didn't finish typing

[scarlet hearth]

Ha

[grand summit]

|| If "The Line" is Season 2's "What Could Have Been", I will sob violently (jokes). It's not the last song off the album, so probably not. But it definitely sounds like it's going to be a credits song or something in that vein.||

[lilac crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-plutonium-taste-like-very-candy-like-plutonium-taste-gif-6601325447865132471

[old thunder]

i just wanna know how it gets leaked

like was there an internal oopsie

or did someone get out of their way to get into some system

[grand summit]

Like I said before. It probably went through so many hands. 100's of people probably had a chance to leak it, but no one wants to rish losing their job.

[scarlet hearth]

And then finally, somebody did or what is often the case is a hacker who also happens to be a furry got into the firewall by sending somebody a fake email or some sneaky link that allow them to enter the back wall

[grand summit]

If someone hacked in, they'd leak more than just one song.

[scarlet hearth]

Maybe somebody at riot was lonely and was on the dating app and they clicked the link that a super hot girl sent them. It turns out it was actually secretly a furry hacker.

[scarlet hearth]

They have leaked more than just one song they’ve leaked snippets of other songs, and apparently there was going to be more, but the things been taken down

[old thunder]

it's crazy

[scarlet hearth]

When in doubt it’s most likely a hacker who was a furry still is a furry. I don’t know why I said was.

[grand summit]

If it was a hack it would probably have been the production company, not Riot.

Again, these are big projects, multiple companies involved.

[scarlet hearth]

I guess we’ll never know

[old thunder]

i mean someone bout to lose their job

[scarlet hearth]

Naw

[grand summit]

Regardless, I don't think it was a hack. The motivations of hackers are rarely ever to leak unfinished media projects. Most of the time it's to exploit the executives through ransomware or leaked corporate secrets.

For it to have been a hacker, there would have had to have been somone who particularly wanted early access to the songs and knew exactly who to hack to get it. Not everyone at Riot or any of their corporate partners on the project would have access. They would have to find the right person and specifically design a hack around it.

That... or some low level intern wanted internet brownie points more than they wanted to keep their job.

The latter seems so much more likely to me.

[scarlet hearth]

People mad at netflix for their bs

Oh but riot i guess not

[grand summit]

What are you referring to here?

[scarlet hearth]

What?

[grand summit]

Why did you bring up Netflix?

[scarlet hearth]

Arcane is on netflix but if it was a leak from riot then nvm

[grand summit]

I didn't say it was a leak from Riot

[scarlet hearth]

Well then

People mad at netflix for their bs

[grand summit]

What do you mean?

[scarlet hearth]

What do you mean what do I mean

[grand summit]

I don't know what "People mad at netflix for their bs" means, or what it means in relation to what I said.

[scarlet hearth]

Arcan is a netflix original what do you mean

[grand summit]

Yes I know that.

But what does "People mad at netflix for their bs" mean? What people and what bs?

[scarlet hearth]

The people, and what HASNT netflix done

[grand summit]

Are you suggesting that maybe someone hacked Netflix because they were mad and leaked the song?

[scarlet hearth]

They were leaking more than just the song

Ans it looked like more was planning to be leaked before it was taken down

Including the scripts I believe

[grand summit]

Ok, but regardless, Netflix is just the distributor of the show. They wouldn't have the song assets because they don't need them to run their part of the whole thing.

Anyway though

[scarlet hearth]

I didnt say netflix was hacked

[grand summit]

What were you even saying then?

[scarlet hearth]

But it definitely affects netflix if a project they distribute has been hacked

[grand summit]

Ok. In what way?

[scarlet hearth]

I don’t fucking know im not Netflix, but everything always connect to everything

[grand summit]

Ok

[tawny wigeon]

||Will they still let me over if I cross the line|| what do we think this line means

[scarlet hearth]

Taking things too far

[stone flame]

will his friends/family/people still be on his side if he does something “bad”

[scarlet hearth]

Yah basically i feel thats what it is

Like using the allegory of the story its like when your parents find out you like yknow did a thing and they start restricting what you can do more or sending you to grippy sock hotel

Yknow, will my friends parents still let us hang if I go too far

But also in the story probably talking about the banditos

[stone flame]

seems in line with the whole “just because i have good intentions and good motivations, if i do something morally gray or ethically bad in order to do something that i think is right, will that still make it Right in the end”

[scarlet hearth]

Right like maybe

To complete the story he || HAS to become a bishop for a bit to fight them from the inside|| but people on the outside 😏😉 it looks like he ||crossed the line||

[tawny wigeon]

that’s what i was thinking

like will they still let me over if i have to become a bishop and join the thing they have been fighting

[scarlet hearth]

Will I ever be trusted again

[tawny wigeon]

yh

damn

[celest gyro]

hi yall

im back from timeout. my bad : (

ive been watching some stuff from chat, but heres my thoughts on the leak (no i will not send anything or ask for anything just to clarify)

i forget who said it but some ppl were saying how the beginning sounds like ||the sound at the end of the Paladin music video|| but i honestly think it doesn't. it sounds like a different type of riser. like the 1 in the Paladin mv sounds more intense and "evil" sounding. at the beginning of The Line, its a more chill riser

[lilac sandal]

It's in the same key but it's not the same sound

I think it's still possible they're connected through maybe an alternate album version, but I wouldn't consider that anything close to certain

also, "we must destroy them or we will become them and if we become them we must do better" sounds like lyrics to me

maybe from whatever follows Paladin

[celest gyro]

it's just weird to me only cause i really feel like the lyrics could really be connected to the show depending on whatever scene they use the song in

if the theory of The Line being connected tho and the double album theory too is true and we actually get a "Clancy ultimate chapter" my guess would be first single of new album right before Europe leg and the whole album drops in June or something then the Clancy tour continues in July with most likely more US dates

[lilac sandal]

Yes, something like that seems plausible to me

I still think there's a good chance that The Line is track 14 on Clancy though in some form

I mean, if there's a double album, having the song that connects the two sides be called "The Line" is just too perfect

in terms of content, it definitely connects to Arcane, but I think it also fits with where we're at in lore right now, Clancy's internal thoughts and fears as he faces Nico

I was thinking of doing a lyric-by-lyric analysis later today

So from that perspective, I wouldn't be surprised if we get an album version that is a bit different

[celest gyro]

it honestly could be then the ultimate chapter has another 13 tracks and we get 1 final song as single at the end of everything (most likely in 2026)

[lilac sandal]

I tend to think the 13 + 1 + 11 theory for a total of 25 is more likely, but it's possible

[gentle rose]

I keep wondering why TOP still aren’t saying a word about anything that’s been going on these past couple weeks

[lilac sandal]

Also I don't really foresee them ending the second half on a cliffhanger too

IDK, they keep going on a mini hiatus between releases/tour and it doesn't make much sense to me

[gentle rose]

You gotta remember though, they’ve been working on Clancy since SAI was being released and promoted, so they definitely had enough time to record 25 total songs

[gentle rose]

The last 11 will definitely match the letters from Tyler’s tweet I swear if it doesn’t I’m gonna go crazy

[lilac sandal]

IDK what you mean here with regards to what Jordan said, he was talking about 14 + 14 for 28 total

yea, I really hope we get Graffiti eventually

[gentle rose]

There is a G in the tweet

[lilac sandal]

ye, if that is the intent then I'm hoping the G is graffiti

[delicate umbra]

Stole my whole flow word for word bar for bar smh /j

[scarlet hearth]

Huh

[delicate umbra]

I'll send my theory, or a piece of it (it's been built up for months, there's a lot) in a moment

[celest gyro]

i mean they usually tend to do that only cause realistically. they can prob do up to 3 legs of US on each tour. Blurryface era had 1 BF US Tour Leg, and 2 ERS US Legs. and Bandito Tour had 3 for the entire tour. realistically they cant really keep on touring and expect to sell out arenas if they did like 1 US leg every year. that would definitely be a bit overkill. and tours usually get more hyped up the longer the wait is. like for Boston, Denver, Chicago, and LA. those 4 cities had 2 dates each but thats cause its been 3 years since they visited those cities so the ticket demand was higher compared to places like nyc, philly, seattle, etc. which they were there 2 years ago (idk if im making sense but i hope i am lol)

[delicate umbra]

need this fr

[gentle rose]

You’re forgetting Dallas also had 2 nights

[robust bone]

I want this but for torchbearer

[celest gyro]

yea Dallas too but ig they have a big fan base in dallas considering they were there in 2022

[gentle rose]

You realize Drag Path and Devil’s Eyes are the same goddamn thing, it’s called Drag Path (Devil’s Eyes)

[robust bone]

It's just a concept chill lol

[delicate umbra]

So this is copy pasted from yesterday:
Part 1
Holy shit everyone who said the ending of Paladin isn't another song was WRONG. This is literally RIGHT after Paladin. Lyrically even the snippet is so SO dense. The Line seems to already be just Newer Better Clear, Keons (YouTuber, not bishop) is gonna flip probably. I think Tyler/Clancy asking if he'll still be accepted if he crosses the line, and asking if he disappointed us, actually plays into my theory about the lore ending with Nico seizing Clancy then Clancy having Nico's BODY killed to imprison Nico's consciousness in his mind. Clancy is asking if that's disappointing because he probably wanted to accomplish this without killing, and the banditos/most of us also probably expect him to as well. He knows now, however, that he can't. He also knows that that would be crossing a MAJOR line, so he asks us if we'd still accept him. Very Clear Coded. He's asking this for multiple reasons though, because with Nico dead and his spirit in Clancy's body, Clancy would technically be a bishop, so he's asking if he'd still be accepted after becoming what he and the banditos have been fighting so long and hard against. Which brings me back to "My body's on the line now" because it literally is. He knows that, even for a moment, when he's seized before Nico's body gets killed, his body won't be his, as it hasn't in the past. He also doesn't know if this will work. What if killing Nico's body gives his consciousness full control over Clancy instead of weakening it like planned?

That's why this is such a fearful intimate song and that's why it takes place when it does. I wouldn't be surprised if this song doesn't have a video but it's essentially Clancy buying time until the next video where Torchbearer gets up to the tower to kill Nico's body and let Clancy regain control.

Clancy Tour is a flash back because Tyler knew there's literally no space between Paladin Strait and The Line... without crossing the line

Part 2
So I'm sure the whole server knows my main theory is that Clancy will let Nico seize him then have Nico's body killed, imprisoning Nico's consciousness within Clancy

What do the lyrics Take a seat but I'd rather you not be here for what might be my final form remind you of, chat? Be honest

That's literally a chunk of my theory I've sent several times for MONTHS
That was meant to go with it

Part 3
I'm gonna build on my theory

I'm gonna say it

The Line is Clancy Tour

The Flashback that reminds us why we fight

Thats what's happening in the line

That's why it picks up with Paladin's ending

Stick with me here
Paladin Strait - We know what happens

The Line - No video but this is entirely while Nico has his hands on Clancy's neck, it's his life flashing before his eyes, The Line = Clancy Tour

The NEXT Lore video - Clancy’s eyes change. Nico puts him down. He follows Nico into the room Nico floated out of. Keons' old robe is waiting for Clancy in the room. With a flick of Nico's wrist Clancy dons the robe. Torchbearer arrives and kicks in the door, he's holding the antlers Clancy dropped. He goes to attack Nico but... Clancy in the robes stops him. Clancy and Torchbearer FIGHT. Torch doesn't want to hurt Clancy but he needs to get to Nico. He needs to kill Nico. He gets Clancy subdued and ends Nico. We zoom in on Clancy’s face. His eyes are red, he's still seized.... but one flickers to yellow... Nico is imprisoned inside of Clancy now. Clancy is both seizing AND Seized. He's still wearing the robe... cliffhanger

Clancy becoming a bishop or a version of one has been my running theory since like December last year

[lilac sandal]

I just mean that for this era they keep stopping almost all social media and communication between releases and tours, normally they're responding to people and sharing a lot of stuff

[delicate umbra]

Well yes!

But I was having trouble fitting song titles into Tyler's gibberish letter tweet which still seems to be the biggest running theory of a double album track list

They've also never done a (subtitle) song before so it's not unbelievable it could become two songs or one of the titles could be chopped off and reused

[celest gyro]

it seems kinda normal to me. they usually only post when there's something going on for them anyways

[lilac sandal]

They've been way more active in previous eras

[celest gyro]

i mean they're on a break until the Australian Tour starts next month and it hasn't been too long since the North American run ended

[gentle rose]

One of the Ds could be called Defeat

Or something like that

[celest gyro]

it seems normal to me. especially in between takeover tour and icy tour they weren't too active. only activity was for The Outside mv in 2022 basically

they're never active when theres nothing going on for them. its normal lol

[lilac sandal]

No, they were tweeting on their individual twitter accounts during that time

[delicate umbra]

Honestly this gap between SAI and Clancy kinda of proves the BF Trench 'hiatus' wasn't that bad...

[lilac sandal]

there have been significant breaks between eras

but during eras they're almost always at the very least tweeting from their individual accounts, responding to people, retweeting fan stuff, etc.

and sometimes there have been gaps in eras

but not like this

not where they basically go completely silent on all channels until things start again

[celest gyro]

well yea they still do that. Tyler prob not so much cause he does have like a wife and 3 kids (1 being not a year old yet). but Josh just posted on his insta stories the other day. and posted on tiktok recently

[delicate umbra]

People who claim Hiatus was the worst thing ever love to skip the fact that Heatens, media coverage for it and a whole ass video all dropped smack dab in the middle

There was NOTHING, not even really social media after Icy ended until the letters got mailed out

[lilac sandal]

including even small interviews

[lilac sandal]

heathens wasn't during the hiatus, it was still in blurryface era before the eye closed

it dropped while they were still on tour

[delicate umbra]

and in all reality the SAI to Clancy gap was literally about 100 days shorter only

[lilac sandal]

and yea, social media was sparse after SAI

but it wasn't completely dead

just a few months apart mostly, vs. the literal absolute nothing during the major hiatus

but I'm only talking about during eras here

[gentle rose]

So this is more silent than usual?

[lilac sandal]

yea, for sure

[gentle rose]

They did tweet 5 days ago patiently waiting for more shows though

[lilac sandal]

Even if the socials were completely normal, the lack of interviews, even small ones, since the couple of weeks after the album, definitely isn't

no major interviews at all since the album came out

[gentle rose]

The only interviews they ever did was the day the album came out

[delicate umbra]

I mean I have a theory about the things we're missing from this album cycle...

[lilac sandal]

and yea, Josh has posted on Instagram stories and TikTok but he's posting personal stuff completely disconnected with the band, and yes, that's kind of normal but they usually also post band-related stuff

To be clear I'm not saying there's not a reason for this, in fact, quite the opposite, I think it's intentional for some reason

[delicate umbra]

A lot of the major things we don't have, such as the Zane Lowe interview, are usually pre recorded

If Clancy really is a double album it makes sense for things like that to have been recorded in context of that

Which is why we've seen so little footwork for Clancy outside of the band so far

[lilac sandal]

Well, I kind of agree, but if the second half doesn't come until a year later then I'm not so sure

Also, the last band post about quietly waiting for more shows seems on the nose to me

[gentle rose]

Yeah I bet when they release the double album a whole bunch of interviews about it will release

[lilac sandal]

like they're trying to highlight the fact that they're intentionally being quiet and inactive for now

[gentle rose]

IS THERE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FIND?! WHY ARE YOU GHOSTING US TOP

[half spade]

is the start of The Line similar to the end of PS MV?

[gentle rose]

Yep

[lilac sandal]

Same key, different sound

my theory is that if they're connected there might be an album version

[half spade]

Do u think this song could have MV?

[lilac sandal]

because lyrically I can definitely see a connection

I can imagine Dema burning to The Line

[gentle rose]

That’s actually a great idea, there could be a different version like The Craving

[half spade]

Wow

[delicate umbra]

All I hope is that there are options to physically purchase it without buying Clancy again

I have 2 records and a signed CD book, I don't need more Clancy

and Imagine Dragons released Mercury Act 2 in a way that could only be purchased with Act 1... which is... annoying

[celest gyro]

also kinda surprised they didnt play at any award shows to promote clancy. like for Trench they performed Jumpsuit on the AMAs. and for Sai they performed Shy Away on the billboard music awards, and Saturday on the vmas

[gentle rose]

Yeah me too

[lilac sandal]

Yea, press stuff for this era has been borderline nothing

but they way they talk it's like they're highlighting this

I'm sure it's intentional

[celest gyro]

the only interviews they have is with iheart radio for the jingle ball and some other radio interview involved with iheart

for this era

[gentle rose]

When did they do an interview for jingle ball?

[lilac sandal]

Also just want to point out, they did an interview at the Chicago mini show and they're withholding it for now

In theory it's to make sure the recording meets Tyler's standards

but what if that's also part of the press silence

[celest gyro]

this was when jingle ball got announced in september

its not a long interview

[lilac sandal]

I want them to play Christmas Saves The Year

[delicate umbra]

ALSO
I rarely RARELY say 'I told you so'

I think there's nothing to truly be gained from it

but shortly after Clancy released I was in the theories channel presenting my ideas WITH THE EXACT SAME EVIDENCE as now, there was just less supporting it

and some users were VERY MEAN about the fact that they would "never do anything like that during a tour!"

Now we've had blurryface interupt a show, we're getting a single DURING A TOUR, they are doing JINGLE BALL (which is for artists promoting unreleased works many times...), and a double album looks more real EVERYDAY

Now whose crazy?

Now who needs every message responded to with a TAGGED RESPONSE saying 'sigh'?

Okay I'm done

[delicate umbra]

FOR REAL, this is like, the ONE shot to get it live tbh

[celest gyro]

its crazy how the live debut of CSTY could happen 4 years after its release 🤣

[gentle rose]

Ok this interview was recorded the day Clancy came out just like every other interview, one of the interviews looks EXACTLY like this they recorded this at the same time and just waited to release it

[lilac sandal]

LMAO

[celest gyro]

yeah exactly

[lilac sandal]

SAME

[gentle rose]

They still haven’t even debuted Implicit Demand for Proof yet

[lilac sandal]

Also I didn't know about artists promoting unreleased music at Jingle Ball

[lilac sandal]

Well, it's possible it was played at some of the very old shows that aren't documented anymore

not sure though

[celest gyro]

i mean technically they did but not really lol. the opening of quiet is violent tour in 2014 was a snippet of implicit over the speakers before they went into Guns For Hands to actually start the show

[delicate umbra]

It's not a direct thing, it's sort of a behind the scenes portion of it

Not that Clancy is too old, but it is a good bit older than what Jingle Ball performers are usually promoting

[gentle rose]

That doesn’t count Tyler still hasn’t sung it live

[celest gyro]

yea ik i just wanted to be a smart ass lmaoooo

correct me if I'm wrong but i think these are the only songs where they haven't performed live yet

1. Implicit Demand For Proof (2009)
2. Before You Start Your Day (2009)
3. Be Concerned (2011)
4. Clear (2011)
5. Christmas Saves The Year (2020)
6. Snap Back (2024)
7. At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb (2024)

[gentle rose]

I think this about sums it up

[lilac sandal]

Do we know for sure they've never done Implicit Demand For Proof or Before You Start Your Day back in the early early days?

[celest gyro]

for those 2 ig the more proper way of saying it is theres no record of it

while all the other songs on self titled has proof they were played live

[lilac sandal]

Makes sense

Also Two hasn't been performed live afaik

[gentle rose]

They’ve never done it once

[lilac sandal]

They barely even acknowledge Two's existence

even though it has lore relevance :> (/hj)

[gentle rose]

But remember the “first TOP setlist” from the FPE? That didn’t have IDFP or BYSYD but it had a thing called Kin and so far no one knows what it is

[celest gyro]

i mean they did do an album release show when self titled dropped but no one knows the setlist

[celest gyro]

that was from like the beginning of 2009

they played a few shows in 2009

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s true, no one knows what was played there

[celest gyro]

so its very possible that have played Implicit and BYSTD, but there's no public proof of it

[celest gyro]

i completely forgot about Two ngl 😭

that seemed like it was just a demo tho that they used for background music in their band vlog videos. same thing with "i need something"

[prime osprey]

I can’t see the full name of this chat, don’t what?

[celest gyro]

im assuming its dont send or ask for the actual leak

[prime osprey]

Oh okay! Thank you 😅

[celest gyro]

i cant see it either but makes most sense

[lilac sandal]

Two was released "officially" as a RAB bonus track for email list subscribers

[prime osprey]

:0

[lilac sandal]

along with House Of Gold

[celest gyro]

now that i actually didnt know. i thought the rab version of House of Gold was the only bonus track

i do remember that they re record Tyler's solo song "Save" and put it on the band's website before they got signed or something

i love the tøp version of Save so much better honestly

[gentle rose]

And there was an RAB version of Screen on some later version of the newsletter

[celest gyro]

well not remember cause i didnt know who they were then. but someone mentioned it a while back

[edgy wolf]

It is. 💀

[edgy wolf]

I wonder why Clancy chose not to directly reference the lore.

On Trench alone, 7 songs directly reference the lore.

On Clancy, I think only 2 songs do.

Which is like… the same as SAI? Crazy to think.

[celest gyro]

which is crazy cause Tyler said during sai era that the next album would be more upfront with the lore

[lilac sandal]

Yea, that was one reason I was a big double album believer early on, Clancy just doesn't really match the descriptions of what they said it'd be like, + it was started a lot more recently which leaves a pretty big gap

[celest gyro]

like the Clancy era itself feels more lore coded but not the album (even tho it is my fav album theyve ever done)

[magic fjord]

okay i dont think ive ever actually asked but what EXACTLY were his words

which interview was this from

think i found it

[celest gyro]

i forget the interview but he definitely said the "players" and details in the story would be more upfront

[magic fjord]

okay yeah i found it

[celest gyro]

i remember him using the words "players" for some reason lol

[magic fjord]

the 107.5 interview

[celest gyro]

that's probably it

[fast compass]

That’s enough about how the line connects to tøp lore

HOW DOES IT CONNECT TO ARCANE

[celest gyro]

it's definitely gonna be used in a sad episode...

sad but uplifting in a way if that makes sense

[plain cliff]

Didn’t Tyler say there’s a character which hasn’t been introduced yet before Clancy came out? And we knew about Clancy way before sai from the letters

And he said the next album after sai would introduce them but it didn’t bc it’s about Clancy

[celest gyro]

i mean technically we got new names from the letters at the FPE exhibits

[magic fjord]

okay so i just watched the part of the interview where he spoke about what would end up being clancy and yeah its kinda curious how he worded things with what the final product ended up being

i think ultimately the reason clancy didnt mention the lore as much as he made it sound was a mix of a few things:

1. he said a minute prior to the reference to this album that he didnt want to write music that you needed to know the lore to enjoy. i know that was something sai was but the question asked was specifically regarding the next record (clancy) and where the story was going from there, so if that comment were specifically about sai and only sai, i feel he would've said that.

2. as facecat said, clancy as we know it was started much later than we expected. we know there was an album in the works along with sai, and in 2022 that could have still been worked on, but no one knows what happened to that. my own personal theory is that it was scrapped. after all, theyre musicians, if their ideas regarding their art change, its bound to happen that things get scrapped or changed, and i think thats the case with what was being worked on back then. maybe he wanted to write a different record entirely from what they had? idk, only he knows.

3. he seems to refer to the overall era as the record. he directly does mention the music but overall the stuff outside of the music, especially with conceptual writers like tyler, everything else is part of the art (the record).

think i had more to say than that but i lost my train of thought typing #3 whoops

though i will say, while he does seem to refer to the overall era as a record theyve made it clear through other means that clancy is meant to be the last album in the storyline (see their Spotify description: "... and completing this story on their seventh full-length offering, Clancy")

[swift sky]

if i cross the line

[magic fjord]

if i remember correctly, wasn't he talking about someone who wasn't in the music itself specifically? because if he was then that fits clancy

[edgy wolf]

Bingo

[stone flame]

i think he was still talking about clancy here. even when we only had the letters, an interviewer during trench era asked him about clancy and tyler answered with something like “clancy’s not on the record.” so i think it was also the intention to make it a “twist” of some kind to introduce clancy as the narrator of this story in an album titled after him near the end of the story. because up to that point, clancy really wasn’t “on” the record. we knew his words and heard his fears, but he didn’t allow us to know him by name—but with clancy (the album), he was finally ready to reclaim those aspects of himself and attach his name to it

[magic fjord]

i know during trench era he said something like "how did you know about clancy, he's not in the music?" and something later on about how with one of the following albums they'd be focusing on a character not yet introduced but i can't remember if it was about the music specifically or not

[stone flame]

me and nox remembering the same things 🤝

[swift sky]

stay your pretty eyes on course

[stone flame]

also the phrase “clancy’s not on the record” is a double meaning here, with clancy not being on the album and also clancy not allowing his words and name to be attributed back to him until he was ready

[gentle rose]

The evidence paper from the letters this era did say “how did you find dmaorg” in pen on the side of the paper

[granite monolith]

I need to find this tbh that's fascinating

[swift sky]

pull the blanket by now

[magic fjord]

back to this for just a second though, i will say that even if they do release a "clancy ultimus capitulus" with a whole albums worth of new songs, it probably won't be any more upfront with the story than the first 13 songs are. there's not much left to tell in terms of clancys story so aside from like general worldbuilding (which i feel they've covered a lot of the important bits already in trench and sai) there's not much

[magic fjord]

https://youtu.be/vF9PQL9Y2us?si=iJgpw-VXiN_u8OSe

that's the interview its from

i can't find the other one im referencingthough

[granite monolith]

"how do you know about clancy?!"

first this then keons asking about simone mans gonna be so paranoid

[little quiver]

How do you get the leak?

I just wanna hear the song 😂

[gentle rose]

Find someone unruly enough to dm you

[old thunder]

I hope there's a music video clip that's lore related and not just shots of Arcane

[magic fjord]

there most likely wont be one like this, itll probably be like heathens

[celest gyro]

judging by Imagine Dragons "Enemy" video and Linkin Park's "Heavy Is The Crown" video, it's possible The Line could be Tyler and Josh in Arcane animation form

[magic fjord]

i more meant the lore bit

[celest gyro]

oh yeah theres def gonna be no lore in the video

they're just gonna promote it as something for Arcane

[simple vault]

it sounds gooood

too bad that the build up is so short

it had potential

[lilac crescent]

torchbearer album'

https://youtu.be/sPR683GuLn4?si=0eetjvfW9ZGghgTd&t=207 the line leaked. NOT REAL DONT BAN

[simple vault]

it's real i can confirm

[lilac crescent]

beatin up the bishops

[hasty rose]

Did I disappoint you? = Clancy worrying about disappointing the banditos
Will they still let me over if I cross the line? = Worrying if the banditos will still accept him back if he crosses the line to the bishop's side

[unkempt vault]

https://tenor.com/view/arcane-jinx-arcane-jinx-arcane-temporada-2-arcane-season-2-gif-12905730662661898007

[unkempt vault]

Tyler in the corner of my room after listening to the leak:

(he’s gonna make me buy merch in compensation for it)

[pure hemlock]

My guess is they will- they did for heathens

[raven vortex]

Ugh... I really hope no one sends me the leak.... my soul is naturally dark, hardened and the kind of light that a leak might burn upon me would be forever burned upon my skin.... so don't....don't do it.... |-/

[lilac sandal]

Mods have asked people not to do this either

[hasty rose]

Take a sit but I’d rather you not be here for what could be my final form = Clancy's final form being a bishop
Keep the memories of who I was before = As a bandito before turning into a bishop
I can feel the light shine on my face = Neon gravestones light

[celest gyro]

i mean technically they're not asking so it doesn't really go against rules in my opinion

[lilac sandal]

It does, people were doing the same thing yesterday, telling people not to send the leak to them, and mods told them that it still counts and isn't allowed

[clear sail]

Yo I made that fake Midwest Indigo leak lmao

[lilac crescent]

[clear sail]

I made a fake "the line" leak as well where I made fun of the line leaders at shows lol

[lilac crescent]

i heard that aswell

[clear sail]

It's actually insane how many views the fake leaks get. They're fun to make too because everyone seems to enjoy them

(lowkey wish those views would carry over into my serious music too lmao)

[lilac crescent]

did you make the fake lavish leak to

[clear sail]

yeah lol

[lilac crescent]

knew it just from this

[blissful sage]

In the song, what’s the little adlib that keeps repeating saying?

[smoky cloak]

thats the leakers watermark, 'animus leaks' @blissful sage

[lilac crescent]

thb that makes it sound better

[keen bison]

https://tenor.com/view/ganondorf-zelda-legend-of-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-totk-zelda-totk-gif-690755334096467544

[thin copper]

The Line is genuinely one of the best songs they've ever made

In my humble opinion

[lilac sandal]

Strong agree

musically it's strong, lyrically it's one of my favorites of all time

[gentle rose]

Musically it’s pretty good but lyrically it’s AMAZING

[fair dome]

where did you guys find the leak?

[gentle rose]

I don’t even remember

[fair dome]

i'm desperate but i cant find it :(

[magic fjord]

1. its not up anymore
2. please don't ask for the leak, the mods have already asked several times

[celest gyro]

they're not asking someone to send it, they're just asking where ppl found it

[magic fjord]

its asking for the purpose of obtaining it which is arguably the same thing but i could be wrong

[celest gyro]

they're just asking where the leak was. i don't think that's a problem

as long as they're not asking someone directly to send it to them

[magic fjord]

im not a mod so my opinion on this ultimately doesn't matter but i think it's better to be safer than to find out too late that it's a problem

[rapid nest]

josh dun

[median bluff]

talking about Josh dun

[tawny wigeon]

Animus 🗣️ ☺️ leak 😜

[scarlet hearth]

I dont have the animus leak watermark

[granite monolith]

New album Clancy animus?!?!

[scarlet hearth]

Huh

Its the leaks watermark

[granite monolith]

Animus 🎈 leak 🎈

[gentle rose]

No whoever leaked it specializes in animated stuff, hence leaking Arcane

[fair dome]

oh ok. Sorry i didn't mean for someone to send it, i just couldn't find it anywhere so i wondered where ppl found it. But i'll just wait until it officially releases

[ebon solstice]

You k ow what I just realized

Listen to the end of the line and then the beginning of overcompensate

[ebon solstice]

They're almost identical

[scarlet hearth]

HUH

CHECKING

[gentle rose]

I know!

WAIT I KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

If The Line starts with the end of Paladin and ends with the beginning of OC this means starting the cycle again. We need one more album to end the story

[scarlet hearth]

Oh

Its no hmm wait its in a different key

LET ME CHECK SOMETHING EVERYONE SHUTUP

[gentle rose]

Well yeah but it does sound like it with the piano

[scarlet hearth]

HOLD UP

Im checking the notes

[gentle rose]

Ok

[scarlet hearth]

OKAY YES I WAS CORRECT

OVERCOMPENSATE THE NOTES ARE A FLAT, F, B FLAT, F
AND IN THE LINE ITS || A, E, B, E||

[gentle rose]

it’s so goddamn close

It’s close enough to mean something

[scarlet hearth]

It’s effectively the same notes but in a minor key

AND WANNA KNOW WHY I KNOW

[proud juniper]

Because if we can’t see
U are clemcy

[brittle depot]

proctologist son

[scarlet hearth]

Wait nvm

Both songs are in minor keys. But its i guess

OH! OH WHOA

ITS THE SAME NOTES BUT IN A NATURAL KEY

[gentle rose]

It’s the notes from Overcompensate but minus one note

[scarlet hearth]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

[scarlet hearth]

Its specifically the motif from the intro to overcompensate but in natural

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[gentle rose]

It means what I said above

The cycle will start again with the double album

[scarlet hearth]

Nononono minus one note isnt exactly looking at it the right way

Because the line sneaks in an extra note between the e and the b

[gentle rose]

Actually yeah you’re right I just realized that B flat exists

[scarlet hearth]

Its that its specifically SPECIFICALLY the natural key

Exactly

Because actually actually

F to the e is down one half step but a flat to a and b flat to b is UP

BUT THE C BEFORE THE B IN THE LINE OUTRO CONFIRMS THAT ITS A NATURAL KEY

ITS THE SAME BUT NATURAL

[gentle rose]

Omfg you’re right

[proud juniper]

Perhaps because him crossing “the line” was seizing someone in OC? So it’s like a callback to that.

[gentle rose]

I honestly can’t stop listening to The Line it’s definitely a 9 out of 10 for me

[scarlet hearth]

Yah it was stuck in my head while scaring people last night

[lilac sandal]

I don't think these notes are right

[scarlet hearth]

They are but its not all the notes

[lilac sandal]

Overcompensate's chords at the start are Db Eb Bb C

[scarlet hearth]

What? No

[lilac sandal]

if we're looking at just the top notes it's A flat, B flat, F, G

and then there's the F in between

[scarlet hearth]

Yah the top notes is all we are talking about it’s f Aflat, F, f b flat, f, f, f

And then e natural

[lilac sandal]

If we consider only the top notes of the first two chords and the Fs in between then we do get Ab F Bb F, but that's a big stretch IMO

[sturdy oak]

I can't decide if I should listen to the leak or not

[scarlet hearth]

How is that a big stretch that’s the botes

Thats literally the notes

I never said the chords. Thats the notes

[lilac sandal]

Yes, it's the notes if you leave out all of the other notes in the chords

[scarlet hearth]

No thats literally the top notes being played

Thats all i am talking about

[lilac sandal]

I know, but I think it's a stretch to assume they're connected based on specifically looking at the top notes of the chords rather than the roots. Also dropping the accidentals there doesn't result in the same relative intervals so it doesn't even sound quite the same

[scarlet hearth]

Dawg

[lilac sandal]

I think it's coincidence stemming from the fact that Tyler likes to use repeating notes between his chords

[scarlet hearth]

Agree to disagree

And im not having a discussion any further

[lilac sandal]

Ok lol, sure, post your theory and then refuse to consider any evidence against it and leave the conversation the moment anyone disagrees with you

have fun with that

[gentle rose]

Well I will tell you that it’s really good

Great lyrics and the quality is great

[lilac sandal]

Yea, I'd say nothing wrong with waiting if you want to wait

but it is really good, you won't be disappointed

[sturdy oak]

that's good...if I do listen I don't want to feel guilty for listen to something that isn't even worth it

[gentle rose]

Don’t worry it’s worth it

[sturdy oak]

I listened to Clancy early but then felt a bit bad when Tyler called out the leak listeners lol

[gentle rose]

Judging by the song I don’t think now is too early to hear it

[lilac sandal]

Well, fwiw the damage you do just by listening is negligible as long as you also stream it a bunch when it's out officially

[sturdy oak]

Yeah, I agree actually. I ended up seeing them live an buying the album on vinyl, so I don't think I robbed anything from them

[smoky cloak]

ill have to stream it while im asleep to make up for how much im playing it now 😭😂

[sturdy oak]

The only problem is I don't want to ruin any special release plans they might have by cheating

[tawny wigeon]

i’ve listened to the leaks but i’m still gonna stream the song so like

[gentle rose]

Yeah it’s way easier to get music on Apple Music than download it to my files

[tall sand]

Sorry if someone’s asked this already but have Tyler and Josh still not said anything about the leak yet?

[scarlet hearth]

I dont think they will, it affects riot and their labels more than them

[tall sand]

Ohh okay

Ty 🙂

[wild peak]

CHAT... the line. Got leaked

[unkempt wagon]

No way

[gentle rose]

It did? That was 2 days ago

[arctic blaze]

Proof or it didn't happen

[lilac crescent]

😔

[summer kraken]

This song comes out in three weeks and it already got leaked?

[magic fjord]

yes

[summer kraken]

Bruh

I still have yet to understand why we leak the boys music

[gentle rose]

Because we love it too much

[magic fjord]

because theyre popular and its gonna happen regardless of how many people whine and complain about it

[summer kraken]

I just hate it cause its so disrespectful

I mean unless the theory that tyler leaks is real then ill accept lol

[magic fjord]

if its legitimately and legally obtained its really whatever imo

this song wasnt so its cringe on the leakers part but thats not gonna stop me from listening

[summer kraken]

I remember the days of when we thought we were going to jail for heathens lol

[magic fjord]

the only one in any real trouble is the person who leaked it lol

[gentle rose]

Lmfao because the video right

[magic fjord]

if they can even get them anyway

[summer kraken]

Yes XD

[magic fjord]

i know the heathens leaker got away with it

[summer kraken]

All the leakers get away with it thats why some people think its tyler cause you know how sometimes he desperatly wants us to hear new stuff

[magic fjord]

not necessarily

i mean recently yes but not always

this one wasnt tyler though, it was probably an employee with one of the companies working on arcane

which i can only guess cause theyve leaked other anime music before this

[summer kraken]

I still believe tyler leaked clancy cause he knew we were dissapointed when it got delayed XD

[magic fjord]

nah i know who actually leaked it, definitely wasnt tyler 😭

[summer kraken]

Who leaked it?

[scarlet hearth]

Debby Ryan

[magic fjord]

now why would i say that here

yeah it was debby

[summer kraken]

Can you dm me?

[scarlet hearth]

I mean Debby Dun

@magic fjord same

[magic fjord]

tbh i dont even remember their name so even if i wanted to say i couldnt 😭

[summer kraken]

It was you wasn’t it? XD

[magic fjord]

i didnt leak it no xD

[scarlet hearth]

Maybe it was me

[summer kraken]

Ok guys you caught me it was rosie who leaked the line XD

[magic fjord]

woaaaaaa

[summer kraken]

I was told from inside sources that she spilled her drink on her dads laptop and it uploaded the file

XD

[smoky cloak]

the line leaker was 100% not tyler if thats at all unclear

[lethal ibex]

Oh I thought it was show promo

[lilac sandal]

People always argue that it's super disrespectful, and like, I get why they'd think that but I think they miss the point. Obviously sometimes there are certain ways they may want people to experience the music for the first time, but most of the time, if it's music that they are releasing soon and not unreleased stuff getting leaked against their will, they just want people to hear it. Very few artists are going to be upset that their music is so beloved that people want to listen to it as soon as possible, and as an artist it feels amazing for something you worked on for a year or more to finally be out in the world. The vast majority of the time, the music only takes so long to release because labels require them to go through an extensive promo process over the course of a few months. And of course, labels aren't going to like it if the artist is condoning leaks. But as long as the leak doesn't damage the reach of the official release, then I don't think anyone really gets hurt in that scenario

Even with Clancy, they did that music video livestream and people kept saying they'd be mad if anyone heard the album ahead of time because they clearly wanted people to experience the music with the videos the first time, but they had official early listening parties a week in advance which were announced long before the leak happened

To be clear I'm not condoning leaking, whoever does that is violating someone's trust

But if something has been leaked and you're unsure whether to listen or not, I think it's fine, anyone who wants to hear it early that badly is of course going to support the official release too

[cobalt fiber]

Yeah i think if anything tyler would be annoyed that someone working under them to handle a release shared something they were supposed to keep private and not be annoyed at random fans wanting to listen to the music, he tends to hold his team to a high standard and a failure on the industry side is gonna be a bigger deal than the fact fans are desperate to hear their new music

and even then its happened so many times at this point and is unfortunately just an unavoidable reality of the modern music industry idk if it would even be that much of an annoyance anymore since theyve gotten jokier and jokier with their responses to leaks its just something thats going to happen so they joke around with the fans about it to make the most of it

and i say this as someone who has not listened to the leak if that matters lol

[heavy basin]

just heard the song and wow

[gentle rose]

Wow might be an understatement

[lucid karma]

where can i listen to it?

[mellow kettle]

can’t ask for it

[gentle rose]

What if "the line" is actually a reference to the line of coke you have to do to justify leak listening

[lilac sandal]

Or, y'know, you can just not feel shame in doing something that doesn't affect anyone else in any way

[mellow kettle]

sure leaking is bad but it’s not as if people who listened to the leak are going to listen to that version over the real released version when that releases

[gentle rose]

Yeah that’s true

[tawny wigeon]

exactly

thats why i listen to the leaks cause im still gonna stream their songs, buy albums etc

[gentle rose]

Dosh jun

[magic fjord]

its such a stupid debate and i honestly wish people would stop projecting their guilt onto other people. no ones forcing you to listen to the leaks and even if you were being forced, the amount theyre losing per listen is so negligible anyway. like less than a cent.

also leaks dont take away from their intended release experience. even with the album leak back in may, the music videos were still a brand new way of experiencing the album and it didnt take away from paladin strait hitting hard as a music video.

tyler and josh both know full well leaks are gonna happen regardless of whether they try to fight it or not, so whenever they play mad on a livestream or whatever, its just pretend. as facecat said, they really just want you to enjoy the art they worked on and are more disappointed in the people they trusted not to spread it around before their plans. theyve even leaked their own music before.

as long as you actually support them and listen to them, there's no reason to feel bad about listening to a leak or talking about it and there's certainly no reason to project your guilt onto other people to try and make them feel like shit for listening to it. leaks are gonna happen, the best anyone can do is support them when it officially comes out.

[tawny wigeon]

exactly!!!

[raven vortex]

If I stumbled into it I'd definitely listen cause I support them officially as well. I buy the albums (multiple times), buy merch, stream everything repeatedly, go to shows. They've got my money so if I find a way to listen to something early, I'm going to. And there's no reason to feel anything but lucky in doing so. Fml I gotta hear this and I'm gonna love it once I do, I'm sure.

[scarlet hearth]

Hmm

[scarlet hearth]

Honestly this, how can you not see josh angrily deflate a balloon and not instantly catch that its silly. Like that’s silly, someone genuinely mad and disappointed wouldn’t do a bit like that.

[odd ether]

Can I just say the amount of people that have bullied me over listening to the leak is insane. I thought this fanbase was nicer 😭😭

They are grilling me on insta

[scarlet hearth]

Im so sorry that happened

It just feels like another way big corporations manipulate the populus to shirk their own responsibility (like they do with pollution and inflation) to pit us against each other so we stay weak and they stay stronger. Things like this is a microcosm of it

[odd ether]

Wow

[scarlet hearth]

There’s nothing wrong with being an excited fan taking the opportunity to enjoy something early, the onus is on the leaker.

[odd ether]

Thank you for giving me that validation 🙏🏼🤝🏻

[scarlet hearth]

And in fact, I’m using the leak to score a hangout sesh with my crush 🤭 thank you leak! 🙏🏻

[odd ether]

Awh that's awesome!!

[scarlet hearth]

Frfr im so excited.

Hopefully sometime next week we are gonna get dunkn and listen to it together

[odd ether]

Awesome 😁

[tidal salmon]

mfs be calling you leak listener like it's a slur

[summer comet]

hard R 😞

[magic fjord]

thats really what the anger about leak listeners and leaks is about. the industry.

[scarlet hearth]

And news flash to those who use spotify anyways. Artists have come out multiple times talking about being underpaid or not paid at all for listens through spotify, it’s not much better than leak listening

[magic fjord]

it was tyler but yeah exactly. and then the infamous trench livestream, where they were both on the verge of breaking down into laughter the whole time? 😭 like thats not anger, theyre playing it up, and im TERRIBLE at figuring that kinda thing out sometimes

[magic fjord]

less than a cent per stream as a matter of fact. the most per stream an artist gets on any platform is like one cent and that's not on one of the big platforms.

it really just boils down to: be mad at the leaker if they betrayed the trust of the boys, but otherwise its all chill

[scarlet hearth]

The best way to support is buy merch, and go to shows

Even if like okay right? The stats like a million streams on the first week an album releases or something that’s only $10,000 which SOUNDS like a lot until you remember that they have to pay cost of studio booth time, and merch to be made, and for tour equipment, and anything else someone owes to their record company

And what do streaming services really do that earns them all the money they make anyways yknow

[magic fjord]

and music videos, which theyve said are very expensive especially when it comes to lore videos

[scarlet hearth]

Right

[edgy wolf]

I think the Trench music videos plus Saturday had the highest budget.

Lots of on-location filming and hella good cinematography.