#MERUOIENPEPA / EXOPNEUMONIA

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leaden surge
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“Meruoinpepa” is a word extracted from Clancy’s letter in the new mail fans have gotten recently.

When put backwards and stuck into google translate, it reads “Out of breath”

And also directly translates to “EXOPNEUMONIA”

Exo = Outside/outer

Pneuma also happens to be the ancient greek word for the soul, or spirit.

Meruoinpepa = Outside of soul? Outer soul? Out of breath? 🤔

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credit to @feral flame for discovering this as well

tight cape
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yells

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we’re so bsck

acoustic lion
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and the letters to spell the word were from the 229s

leaden surge
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yes

forest fjord
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woooooho

queen mortar
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as a healthcare girly the pneumonia I know is inflammation in the alveoli of the lungs

plain brook
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If y'all want to do some digging here are some good links to breakdowns of the words:

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apo
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pneuma

Take it with a grain of salt because this is from Koine Greek, which is an older version of modern day Greek, so some things may have changed a bit

billmounce.com
ἀπό

pr. forth, from, away from; hence, it variously signifies departure; distance of time or place; avoidance; riddance; derivation from a quarter, source, or material; origination from agency or instrumentality

billmounce.com
πνεῦμα

wind, air in motion, Jn. 3:8; breath, 2 Thess. 2:8; the substance spirit, Jn. 3:6; a spirit, spiritual being, Jn. 4:24; Acts 23:8, 9; Heb. 1:14; a bodiless spirit, specter, Lk. 24:37; a foul spirit, δαιμόνιον, Mt. 8:16; Lk. 10:20; spirit, as a vital principle, Jn. 6:63; 1 Cor. 15:45; the human spirit, the soul, Mt. 26:41; 27:50; Acts 7:59; 1 Cor...

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The ending 'ρεμ' could be a case ending from Latin, fifth-declension singluar accusative, but they'd either have to be knowingly pointing towards Latin (could be since Latin's used in religious stuff so much) or they just don't know Greek and did a bit of a botched job trying to make a word. Or I could just be missing something from Greek that isn't 2k years old haha

leaden surge
plain brook
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Greek is an inflected language, which means the case endings at the end of the stem word is what makes something have pronouns etc.

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Sorry for the technical language, I haven't kept up on greek as much as I'd like to have, so getting someone else in here with more recent greek experience could be really helpful

leaden surge
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MERUOEINPEPA / EXOPNEUMONIA

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MERUOIENPEPA / EXOPNEUMONIA

plain brook
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Oh that makes much more sense for a transliteration

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Connections from this could easily be made to keons (choke on smoke, pnemonia, breath etc), Goner (somebody catch my breath) and Choker

acoustic lion
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on wiki page for "pneuma" so maybe has other meanings than just soul, or spirit?

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queen mortar
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I’ve been talking about chemicals that make different colored fires in the chemicals thread lmao

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that’s pretty creative imo

plain brook
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Yeah I mean it's the word in the New Testament which helps make up Holy Spirit, which came down in flames which didn't burn during pentacost so it totally could be that

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Acts 2 in a bible you can look

acoustic lion
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which related to the "I'm out of breath" translation of Meruoienpepa

plain brook
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So is Clancy/Tyler in trouble from holding their breath/having their creativity repressed by the bishops?

leaden surge
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Also something interesting

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Soma (body). Psyche (soul). Pneuma (spirit)

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the tripartite

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in christianity

plain brook
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Platonic philosophy

leaden surge
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Psyche we already have (Psychokinesis)

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next we have pneuma?

plain brook
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Tripartite soul, it's all over The Republic

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It didn't become Christian until neoplatonic influences like Philo

leaden surge
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interesting

acoustic lion
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more zeno

valid crow
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From pneuma wiki

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leaden surge
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this goes so deep

acoustic lion
plain brook
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Either this stuff is waaaay overreading into it, or we've got a new key on what they may be doing with the letter/have an idea of themes for the new album

acoustic lion
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TLDR:
-red envelope clancy's letter gave us the letters apepneiourem (these were the 229 words)
-apepneiourem backwards is "meruoienpepa", putting that into different translators gives you "I'm out of breath" or "Exopneumonia"
-Exopneumonia is based on two greek words/suffixes/idkwhat its called, "exo"(meaning outside/outer) and "Pneuma"(meaning soul, spirit in ancient greek)
-when researching Pneuma, the greek christain philosopher Zeno of Citium was found
-Zeno's philosophys include phrases like "creative fire" "vital fire" (fire connections to lyrics is obvious) and held the view that the universe went through regular "cycles of formation and destruction" (i created this world to feel some control, destroy it if i want, anyone?)
-Zeno also died by holding his breath, relating back to the "i'm out of breath" translation

queen mortar
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he took his life after falling and breaking his toe if someone wants to analyze that

tight cape
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me

wild tundra
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also the relation to God in trees with "I can feel your breath"

vital sigil
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Tyler has also referred to singing and songwriting as fire breathing (Levitate) soo

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idk just another thought

wild tundra
vital sigil
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YEAH

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OMG

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good call

plain brook
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There has to be something going on with Goner too, 'somebody catch my breath.'

vital sigil
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he been tending to ned’s pool all year and now it’s empty again wearyned

queen mortar
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All I’m saying is the red letter emphasized the starting line and where we found dmaorg

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The starting line of car radio

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“I ponder of something great my LUNGS will fill and then deflate. They fill with FIRE exhale desire”

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lots of breath and fire lmao

leaden surge
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fill with CREATIVITY

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and exhale the ideas into music

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or however he chooses to embody those ideas

queen mortar
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mmm interesting interesting

valid crow
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“Meaning “Literally breathed into you””

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wild tundra
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This also has parallels with the Bible, Scripture is often referred to as "God breathed" or "God's inspired Word"

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Ooooh also how God breathed into Adam to give him life!!

brazen egret
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There’s also air catcher « you’ve stolen my air catcher that kept me safe and sound » I know the storyline doesn’t go back to self titled but it’s so interesting to see that Tyler already had all these topics in mind

oblique fossil
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Modern greek endings are almost always nu, sigma or vowels

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For context I'm a native speaker

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So it might be misspelled because they don't know greek super well

true burrow
oblique fossil
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Yup

hallow harbor
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I wanted to try the translation thingy and found something that i thought was very cool. I mean it makes sense, that’s just how language works but I wanted to add it in this forum anyways because it has to do with it (and it was fun to play around with it)

Depending on where you put a spacing in the word, it says different things (that’s how we got out of breath i believe)
And so far with different spacing i got: I am discouraged, out of breath, I'm tired, from my memory, i'm breathing, breathless calm...

thats so cool actually. this is a cool way to hide different meanings in one made up word. That must be so tricky to come up with, but i like the idea of adding a space every other letter and then you can create a full sentence with it.. wow

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so basically i translated α πεπνευουρεμ, απεπ νευουρεμ and so on. I hope that makes sense what I'm saying

warm garnet
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@plain brook i am so genuinely sorry I accidentally deleted your initial message explaining it when I meant to copy it, would you mind resending 😭😭😭

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or if anyone has a screenshot 👀👀

oblique fossil
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I remember that they mentioned having a background in koine greek and they were unfamiliar with the modern form of the language but not much else

little herald
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Something else to think about

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"And then I felt chills in my bones, the breath I saw was not my own"

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That's a type of "out of body" breath if that makes sense

vital sigil
plain brook
# warm garnet <@774946030332018708> i am so genuinely sorry I accidentally deleted your initia...

You’re all good. Luckily I had reposted it from something I dropped in theories, so I was able to search for it there. Here you go:

‘For background I took two years of Koine Greek in college, so that's my limited experience with Greek. πνευουρεμ isn't a real word, but it's a combination of απο, which can mean from out of, or just out of, and πνεύμα, which can mean life, soul, spirit, or breath. It looks like they tried to make it with a specific case ending, but I'm not up to date with modern greek case endings, so I can't say exactly what it is but I'd guess it's 1st person singular present active indicative, making the made-up word mean literally 'I am out of breath,' with plenty of flex room for spirit or soul. This is a similar process to what they did with spirit control earlier’

plain brook
oblique fossil
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modern greek isnt super different from koine (unlike old and modern english) so you might be able to read modern stuff just fine with a dictionary at hand

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It has a lot of loanwords from other languages though that were hellenised well, so those might be tougher

warm garnet
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THANK U

fervent shoal
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Spirit/wind/breath are all the same word in greek, more or less

oblique fossil
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spirit and breath yeah sort of

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wind though no (in modern greek at least)

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spirit is πνεύμα, breath is αναπνοή or πνοή in a more archaic form, but wind is άνεμος

wet tinselBOT
dull quail
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You are forgetting an E on your post between the i and the n, does that make a difference? And what do you mean directly translates to EXOPNEUMONIA? Am only asking because I want to explore this more. At a more direct level, exo "The Outside", and pneumonia, could directly reference pneumonia setting in after the events of The Outside, as he was freezing lmao. I want to verify this theory because I have one of my own regarding the word Praemunire, which when Meruoienpepa is arranged to that, the remaining letters are R,O,P,E (maybe connecting to Holding onto You, "tie a noose around your mind"), and the meaning of Praemunire connects wildly close to the events leading up to Dante writing his divine comedy (Inferno, purgatorio, and paradiso), which has been very closely tied to the events taking place so far in the grand-narrative. Dante Alighieri was exiled from Florence in 1302 due to his involvement in the political conflicts between the two major factions of the city: the Guelfs and the Ghibellines. These factions were divided over the relative authority of the Pope (Guelfs) and the Holy Roman Emperor (Ghibellines) in Italian political affairs.

Dante was a member of the White Guelfs, who were opposed to the Pope's interference in Florentine affairs and sought to maintain the city's independence. However, in 1302, the Black Guelfs, who were aligned with the Pope and held power in Florence, gained control of the city. As a result, Dante and other prominent White Guelfs were accused of various charges, including corruption and financial mismanagement, and were subsequently banished from Florence. The term "praeminure" was developed a little while later in the 14th century 1353, but described this exact contention with Papal authority (over-reaching religous authority). Which also matches up with the language used in Tyler's world, "9 bishops".

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The offense of praemunire originated in the early 14th century. It was first established during the reign of King Edward III of England, around the year 1353. This legal offense was aimed at curbing the influence of papal authority in England and protecting the sovereignty of the English crown and church. Over time, the scope of praemunire expanded to include various acts seen as challenging the authority of the English state or church.

amber beacon
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I'm not solid on that translation with the letters reversed, but the word pneuma also caught my eye since πνεῦμα and ψυχή are related concepts. I tried last night to find a word that went well with pneuma as a phrase out of the remaining letters. meruoienpepa - pneuma = eroipe but I had no luck. Maybe someone else wants to try.

oblique fossil
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since you need 2 Rs to write praemunire while MERUOIENPEPA only has one R

dull quail
oblique fossil
acoustic lion
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@gilded night

dull quail
vital yacht
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Y'all do you know the bridge to natn

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Where the background is like dkwofidnfjwkfnw idk what they're saying

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B4 the "what I say when I wanna be enough..."

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What if that is meruoinpepa

plain brook
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I’m pretty sure that’s just some stuff backwards that people who remember the lore already know. I don’t so I don’t remember it off the top of my head

little herald
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tight cape
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so basically just “fire, nico and the niners” backwards

delicate torrent
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I just realised that they had Greek writing and a flame on the mtv unplugged jackets. I wonder if it was a nod to the new era.

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Considering the theory of the Greek philosopher

fervent shoal
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radiant gazelle
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Do we think that since meruoienpepa backwards means "i'm out of breath" in greek it may be in reference to keons considering that comes from choKE ON Smoke and maybe we believe is in reference to Clancy and keons. Maybe even still alive is referring to Keons as well?

plain brook
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Could be. We really aren’t sure what it’s going to be for yet, especially since it doesn’t seem to fit with the new letter anywhere

vital sigil
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my running theory is that was tyler’s way of saying he’s done with the album

plain brook
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Like done making it? They wouldn’t have finished it so close to releasing things I don’t think

vital sigil
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well yeah but not that theyre just now finishing it duh duh but just more that its him saying its ready

low rune
upbeat heart
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What if the exo means like control a suit like a exo skeleton, control something with your mind, what if it means controlling something or someone who has no spirit, aka Is dead, like trash or Keons?
The paladin straights Is the water where Tyler washes up, what if that's where Trash's body Is?

loud galleon
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Something also worth pointing out is that one of the symptoms of chlorine poisoning are respiratory problems.

low rune
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Thallium chloride has a bluish flame like the fire in the video hmmm

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I just looked up thallium and it says it's used by murderers bc its a difficult to detect poison 😭

radiant gazelle
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Woah. They’ll never see it coming

low rune
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To be fair I was trying to look up what elements caused blue fire and that came up.

upbeat heart
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Fall out of formation
I plan my escape from walls they confined
Rebel red carnation
Grows while I decay

This could mean his escape from the and action of him using a dead body as a host?

Had you in my coat pocket, where I kept my rebel red
I felt I was invincible, you wrapped around my head
Now different lives I lead, my body lives on lead
The last two lines may read incorrect until said
The lead is terrible in flavor
But now you double as a papermaker
I despise you sometimes
I love to hate the fight and you in my life is like

1st line, that he's been hiding the red of who he really is.
2nd line, he felt invisible and controlled by someone.
3rd line, he leads a different life now, he's not controlled anymore and has taken up the mantle, the taste of lead is what he's tasting from controlling a dead body
4th line, doubling as a paper maker, could be that it was Keons who was the one writing the letters and helping Clancy.
5th line, he despises him sometimes because Keons he's helping him sometimes but still despises what he is doing for the bishops.
Last lines, he hates having to fight but will if he has too and hates Keons, but is willing to use him in the fight?

upbeat heart
winter mulch
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This thread is my favorite

vital sigil
plain brook
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I’m surprised at how long it’s been going. Every day I get another notification from it and I’m like ‘huh, another message in the Greek conspiracy theory channel’

plain brook
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So we still have no clue what all this has to do with the new album/overcompensate, huh

dim vortex
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I probably should have checked this thread earlier 😳 Idk if this is news to anyone else but it's new info to me so I will share:

disclaimer: I don't speak Greek

The google translate of apepneiourem meaning "i'm out of breath" seems incredibly unreliable imo. When you reverse translate "im out of breath" to Greek it comes out as "mou kóvetai i anása" (it should be the same in reverse right?). Also prior to february this year there are 0 google results for apepneiourem. Which, if it was a word, you would expect at least some occurences, even just dictionary pages. And I have not found any translation or dictionary pages that back up google translates claim. Also the Greek people I asked said apepneiourem was jibberish?

I also tried transliterating apepneiourem to the greek letters using a few websites and it came out as απεπνειουρεμ 😭 Can anyone explain how people came up with πνευουρεμ instead?

warm garnet
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wasn't there someone who spoke a certain type of greek that had confirmed it

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yeah koine greek

plain brook
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Yuh

dim vortex
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im confused 😭

leaden surge
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the greek studies guy said that its two words kinda compacted together

plain brook
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Transliteration. Not a single real word but a (kinda shoddy honestly) amalgamation of two existing words to match an English concept in Greek

dim vortex
plain brook
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Y'all think there's any chance we hear anything new on this, or was this just one big imaginary rabbit trail?