Hi! I Wrote these songs and used AI to make em. I'd like some feedback if y'all wouldn't mind <3

[delicate pagoda]

Hi! I made these songs. I'd like some feedback if y'all wouldn't mind <3

Made this because i miss my sister
https://on.soundcloud.com/QMCvHEXhHmncbDh1A

[delicate pagoda]

This one I made because of the Videogame Project Zomboid
Lemme know what you guys think! ❤
https://on.soundcloud.com/gKj7KYVqGGmBjXtD9

[delicate pagoda]

Finished this one up today!
Felt nostalgic about the past, started comparing it with the present.
Here's the result
https://on.soundcloud.com/troNZrYhNgtHcTidA

[delicate pagoda]

I haven't seen my best friend in years. My brother. This is for him
https://on.soundcloud.com/isks5LY9NJCzxJgc9

[delicate pagoda]

Genre: Lo-Fi
Description: We've all had that one that messed us up, this is for you, and what you've been through
Link: https://on.soundcloud.com/aVB3igvEbe739UscA

[opaque stag]

These sound AI made. Can you provide a video recording of you playing these songs from your daw to prove that you actually made them?

[delicate pagoda]

They are AI made, I just write the lyrics. Duh

[opaque stag]

You never mentioned that. All you said was "Hi! I made these songs." Implying that you made the backtrack too. There's nothing in your message making it clear that you're only referring to the lyrics

[delicate pagoda]

I have a tag that says AI in every song G
I wrote the songs. From my past experiences. They're my songs. AI just brought them to life 👌

I wasn't implying on anything. You came to your own conclusion. All be it your conclusion was spot on. Yes the tracks are AI generated. But the lyrics are my own. None of the tracks would exist if I didn't push the button myself though. Making them mine. I made them, with the assistance of AI 😋 its not for everyone. I get it. Its just me telling my stories, all goods

i get it though, I might wanna clarify that these are AI generated. so imma have to fix that

[opaque stag]

Well it looks like you have your made up whether AI music is moral. I have nothing against you making AI music. But be clear about that. Saying you produced them takes away the credit from actual hardworking producers as you had no creative input on the song besides the lyrics

[delicate pagoda]

Hi! I Wrote these songs and used AI to make em. I'd like some feedback if y'all wouldn't mind <3

that should work right

[delicate pagoda]

You implying lyrics arent creative?

[opaque stag]

Saying that I came to my own conclusion about this is like pointing a gun to my head and then saying: Oh, I wasn't implying anything, you came to your own conclusion that I was threatening to shoot you

[delicate pagoda]

lets chill for a sec G, no need for hostility here. we just having a chat

[opaque stag]

I'm implying that writing the lyrics, and having the ai do all of the vocal performance, production, mixing and mastering of the song. Then implying that you're responsible for all of it is a sketchy thing to do

[opaque stag]

But it seems like you've made it more clear now, so thanks for that

[delicate pagoda]

Nah G, look its all good. Its not for you. And thats fine, it aint for everyone. such is life. I have a quite a few things in my past i can write about. I cant afford a guitar or piano or anything like that. i do however have a computer and know how to give one instructions. this is just me trying to tell my stories in my own creative way. using what i have available to me. I dont wanna hurt anyone, or make peeps mad. im just being me

[opaque stag]

Yeah I'm all for it! Just make it clear that you're using AI for the music next time

[delicate pagoda]

i can see how peeps would see it as sketch, but the fact remains. I wrote the songs. I gave the instructions. if i didnt push the button, they wouldnt exist. hence them being mine

Do you ever think about the fact that there are 8 billion people out there with their own lives that you will never get to experience?

try to imagine mine G.
im here in a third world country, South Africa of all places.
Im broke
I can barely afford rent
Ive experienced enough to feel broken from the moment i wake up to the moment i go back to bed

Im one of those 8 billion out here G. just trying to do something
Lemme do something

[delicate pagoda]

sounds good G, will do

[opaque stag]

I don't agree with this, as your song was made using other songs for its training data. Yeah sure, you pressed a button to make it, so you're technically responsible for the creation of the song.

But without the producers, recording engineers, mixing/mastering engineers, and vocalists who created all of the songs that has been illegally used by AI companies without the producers consent to train AI making models in the first place, you would have nothing. AI takes bits and pieces from thousands of professionally made songs. And rearranges them into a song, giving no credit to the original music makers.

Saying that "if I didnt push the button, they wouldn't exist. hence them being mine" is wrong, as you haven't actually created anything new, (with exception for the lyrics) but instead taken other people's music and calling them yours

[delicate pagoda]

im not trying to sell these tracks. i dont get anything from them. they're simply me, trying to tell my individual stories during my freetime. Ill keep in mind to mention that they are AI generated, as to not upset anyone in the future.

[delicate pagoda]

the key words in this are easy to find my G
And rearranges them into a "new song"
You don't have to agree with me

i see you editing out your own mistakes too. its all good G

[opaque stag]

Well it wasn't a mistake, I was gonna tell you to read it again

[delicate pagoda]

i read the first

[opaque stag]

Yeah, I don't agree with you

[delicate pagoda]

and thats fine G, such is life

[opaque stag]

You had no creative input of the song (besides the lyrics.) You used words to cheapishly describe a song that you WANT to be yours. And then used a program to make a song stealing bits and pieces from other people's songs, then calling it yours.
Mic drop

I know it might be hard to come to terms with reality. You might want to think that these songs are yours, but they really aren't. You said yourself that you pushed a button and did nothing else.

It's fine if you just want your music to come to life. But don't call them yours, you made the lyrics yes. So you can call that yours. But nothing else is made by you

Im gonna leave it there

and I won't respond to any more of your messages. Cause the truth is that you're stealing when you call these songs "yours", and I don't support it

[delicate pagoda]

you can leave your rant anywhere you want my G. Its all good

my lyrics, my experiences, my creativity. computer helped a ton. Thank you G! Have an amazing day!

[true iron]

you can absolutely sequence your own music with just a computer lol

its the same way people can write sheet music with just a pen and paper

ai isnt like either of those things tho, if you really want to make your own music i'd encourage you to start sequencing your own music o:

[delicate pagoda]

It’s my art. Whether it's created with traditional tools, AI, or whatever else, it's an expression of who I am—my emotions, my experiences, my stories. The lines between what's moral or immoral can get blurry when it comes to creativity, but at its core, art is about communication and connection. I’m sharing something personal and meaningful with the world, and that makes it valid, no matter the method.

In the end, it’s all about the intent, the feeling behind it, and my voice in it. So yes, it’s my art, it’s our art—it’s just art, plain and simple. And I’m going to keep making it, and owning it.

I appreciate the feedback nonetheless, good and bad ❤

[delicate pagoda]

For you @opaque stag
https://on.soundcloud.com/CravAbFyDi38FdTJ7

[dense drum]

makin music with AI is disgraceful to the indsutry

you should be ashamde of yourself

music thrives on real people's creativity and musical talents

AI strips all that away and makes an awful generic track with no emotion

absolutely horrendous of you chap

[dense drum]

but you dont pour your soul into every sound....you type the lyrics into a generator and sit back and let it do all the work

[delicate pagoda]

until its made illegal. Ill do whatever I want. So you can suck my stick

[drowsy widget]

imagine being almost in your 30s and still being afraid of using the word "dick", and on top of that also crying about your ai music.
Grow up, stop whining like a little bitch, and start making real music

[drowsy widget]

Also, just so you know what you're doing is technically copyright infringement since these AI companies haven't actually bought licences from music artists to use their songs in training AI, so yeah it is illegal

[delicate pagoda]

you can suck a stick too

US courts have ruled AI generated content is not protected by copyright. Anyone who wants to can take it and do whatever they like with it. So a song created by AI is essentially public domain, free for use by anyone without paying for it.09 Jul 2024

[dense drum]

Exacrtly what I'm saying.

[dense drum]

alright do whatever you want. you think this is your "art" when in reality its garbage made by a machine that dishonours real artists

i hope you get banned from this server and stop making music

you've disgraced the real muiscians enough

[drowsy widget]

Lmao if it's in the public domain how the hell can you say that you own it

[delicate pagoda]

y'all enjoying each others tugging?

[dense drum]

you enjoying disgracing musicians, moron?

[delicate pagoda]

Who exactly am I disgracing

My take on Timbaland's - Love Again
How the lyrics made me feel
https://on.soundcloud.com/T8XsxTWaBVfJnKd19

[digital dagger]

lmao, its ironic how they are all 13 year olds... people who aren't happy with what they have so they try to seak attention by judging and criticising others

[drowsy widget]

Which side are you on? This is us trying to defend real artists who actually put in effort from AI artists. Being happy with what we have has nothing to do with this, I am infact very happy with what I currently have. If humans weren't allowed to judge and criticize others then how the heck could any of us now what's right and wrong?

[delicate pagoda]

So is criticizing me right or wrong G

[drowsy widget]

right

[delicate pagoda]

Which artists are you defending

[drowsy widget]

and criticizing me is also right

[delicate pagoda]

Who am I disgracing exactly

[drowsy widget]

that's the beauty of free speech

[drowsy widget]

Hmm lemme just look up all the artists in the universe

[delicate pagoda]

thats not an answer either

[drowsy widget]

Post Malone, Ed Sheeran, Chelsea Cutler, Jeremy Zucker, Ariana grande, Rosie Darling, Novo Amor, Clario, Beabadobee, Laufey, Chris Lanzon, and literally every other artists in the known universe that has had their music be used in training AI without their consent

which is basically all of them

[delicate pagoda]

aight. so in my tunes. did i rip any of them off by writing my own lyrics. my own stories. which sounds in any of my tracks did this amazing piece of software im using rip any of them off.
you say you care for these musicians. I for one love them, especially Post Malone. If people use AI irresponsibly then thats what AI will be. but its still the people behind them that do so. you cant really blame the AI. I want a future where AI and Art can co-exist in symphony the way painting and pictures did. I dont mean to offend you, you decided to be offended. you criticize, call names and argue for the sake of doing it.
listen to my tunes, you tell me where and who I ripped off using this Absolutely insane tool others created.

I aint making money off of these songs. I don't sell them. They are legit me telling my stories to the world. Unfortunately for you, you're a part of that world. and you can do whatever you want. but dont you dare tell me im disgracing people that have no idea i exist

[drowsy widget]

no you didn't rip them off by writing your own lyrics, you ripped them off by using AI for the backtrack and still calling it yours. and buddy, you're literally calling out yourself...

"If people use AI responsibly then thats what AI will be, but it's still the people behind them that do so"

You're literally that person who's using AI irresponsibly.
If you really loved Post Malone, you wouldn't take his music without his consent and use it to create AI music, and then saying that YOU made it.

Yes I do criticize and argue, because I have the right to do so, to express my opinion when I think something is wrong. I'm not doing it for the sake of doing it, but to hopefully get you to change and realize that what you're doing is wrong.

You're right, others created a tool, and those people are also a disgrace to the music industry as they are stealing music from others without their consent, and you're doing so yourself.

[delicate pagoda]

whats irresponsible about the tracks i made. elaborate

[drowsy widget]

"don't you dare tell me that I'm a disgrace to child slaves in Africa just because they were the ones who made 99% of the products I buy when I don't even know that they exist 😭😭😭"

that's what you sound like

[delicate pagoda]

aight G. until you show me in my own tracks how I ripped any of these amazing aritsts off, I aint quitting. Imma keep being me and doing what I do while you continue to argue. right now im just hoping you get a kick out of it as you. have fun 😊👌

[delicate pagoda]

Im african G. sure continue

[drowsy widget]

Just because you're not making money doesn't mean that you're taking away artists credibility

[drowsy widget]

are you a child slave?

[delicate pagoda]

is that so. so what im putting out in the public domain is going against their credibility

Im a criminal simply because I use AI

So everyone using AI is a criminal

[drowsy widget]

That's what's so shitty about AI, it's impossible to prove which specific songs has been used in training AI. But as a matter of fact. Most songs have been, without their owners consent

[delicate pagoda]

thats insane

[delicate pagoda]

well, while your still young, and you seem to be extremely passionate about it, do something absolutely awesome and design an AI that could figure it out

why not

Productivity to society, moral highground. all the jazz you wanna uphold. take all that up into your own two hands and get it done G

[delicate pagoda]

im rooting for you G! you got this

[drowsy widget]

No, everyone using AI and calling it their own are criminals

[delicate pagoda]

i pay for it, does what im getting out of it not belong to me.

are they stealing my credibility too

[drowsy widget]

Well it seems like you're not gonna claim responsibility

[delicate pagoda]

we're living in a false sence of self security when it comes to our own creativity

[delicate pagoda]

im responsible for creating some pretty cool tunes.

on my own

with the help of a tool

[drowsy widget]

You're paying the AI companies, which has stolen from artists, so it doesn't matter if you payed SUNO ai money or whatever, they still stole from artists

[drowsy widget]

you're not creating them

[delicate pagoda]

an you support artists that sample sounds from others without their consent. whats the difference

right and wrong. no one cares G. use your voice. its the best tool you have. get governments to establish better guidelines to follow when it comes to AI before big companies buy the AI and make it worse. like what google did to youtube

[drowsy widget]

you're not creating a thing, you're typing a few words, as an artist and musician myself, hearing you say that what you make is music and art make me sick

[delicate pagoda]

those words are my stories

are those words not my own

so your voice matters but mine doesnt

aight

your and artist. your a musician. so you must know what im feeling right now. having someone tell you that what your doing is trash

[drowsy widget]

Most people don't, most big artists ask for consent before hand as they otherwise risk getting sued. An popular example of this is when Powfu had to ask Beabadobee's consent in the making of death bed. Or Somebody that I used to know

get your facts straight

[delicate pagoda]

the key word there is most. but they still do, they still dont

no ones perfect

are you perfect

[drowsy widget]

Your words are your own, not the singing performance or background music

Learn to sing and produce if you wanna call that yours

[delicate pagoda]

indeed. mine

its mine

[drowsy widget]

When did I say that your voice doesn't matter lol? We all have freedom of speech. You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it

[delicate pagoda]

but because its mine, and you have a problem with how it came to be. it means nothing

its trash right

because your perfect and i aint

[drowsy widget]

Yes I've heard multiple people say that when I started out making music actually

[delicate pagoda]

beautiful world we live in.

so wheres your music

[drowsy widget]

yeah no one is perfect but using that as an excuse for stealing from others sounds like something a 6 year old would say

[delicate pagoda]

so wheres your music G

you can continue to call me names if you like. you do you, we can continue the childish behaviour from both sides that way

[digital dagger]

lmao @drowsy widget there is a difference between criticising and not leaving ppl alone

some ppl just dont know when to shut up

omg seriously

[drowsy widget]

Albin Wallerström on Spotify. Me and my brother worked on the production of the songs, we wrote all of them together with the singer songwriter, and everything is done by hand, no AI involved. It doesn't matter what your opinion on it is, the only thing that matters is that we actually made it

[delicate pagoda]

let him continue. if it helps him then there shouldnt be an issue. im happy with the hostile banter as long as they seem into it

you mind sending a link

aight, i get it. not exactly here to defend artists in general. you're here because it feels personal

you afraid that AI im using will steal from you

if it hasnt already right

[drowsy widget]

I mean you're allowed to think that it means nothing, I do not think that it means nothing, that's fine

[delicate pagoda]

you put long hard hours into your music while i sat back writing a tune and pressed a button.

[drowsy widget]

I'm not perfect, I'm simply expressing my opinion

[delicate pagoda]

im waiting for that link G

are you now deflecting

im sure you've read the rest already

[drowsy widget]

both actually

[delicate pagoda]

you feel personally attacked

im sorry about that G

[drowsy widget]

nope. The odds that AI companies has used my music in training AI is next to zero

[delicate pagoda]

for now

thats what you mean to say right

because if AI was such a big issue on copyright infringement as you claim it is. the way youre fighting about it. then whats the issue

if it only takes from the popular. it only learns from the popular. that doesnt sound very AI

i figured AI would learn everything and anything. absorb as much as possible right

[drowsy widget]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5s2Jhf71qDw2s7cUJmjWDS?si=iSeTgLPFRwqWQjYUfkPwwg

[delicate pagoda]

what makes your tune any different

[drowsy widget]

It was created using real creativity rather than AI

[delicate pagoda]

are you again insinuating that my storytelling isnt creativity

again G

thats insane

https://open.spotify.com/track/7LsQ9ZxOwwGd6Mhz1pWlq0?si=bb87629ebc704cde

i like this one

[drowsy widget]

If you're implying that your storytelling is only your lyrics then no, I don't have a problem with that at all. If you're implying that your storytelling is the singing and production too, then yes Im implying that that part of your "storytelling" isn't creativity, and that you should be ashamed of yourself for calling it yours

[drowsy widget]

ty, I appreciate it

[delicate pagoda]

bro, im talking about the lyrics. forget about the computer singing it. thats my soul in there covered in the ones and zeroes

[drowsy widget]

I find the sound of AI music to be pretty soulless and I think most people would agree

[delicate pagoda]

i get that you would feel that way. im sure a lot of people do. a ton of people actually. but for me. someone that has no musical background to speak of. with the only instrument i own being my head and a rusty triangle. for me to have something bring my words to life. it means something to me. it doesnt have to for anyone else. its soulless to you because you hear a computer. it has soul to me because i put my own in there

you gets?

[drowsy widget]

Yes that's fair, as long as you don't call the song yours, but rather only the lyrics

[delicate pagoda]

it means nothing to you. and thats fine. it means the world to me

read the title of this chat G. I wrote the songs. credit goes to the AI for making them

but its still me in there

[drowsy widget]

Im glad it means the word to you. I find the fact that you can make your "storytelling" come to life as a very positive thing. It's when you start calling it yours when you lose me

[delicate pagoda]

they arent actually mine. but they feel like they are. and thats what i mean

the lyrics are my own. thats whats mine

[drowsy widget]

And by the AI you mean all the artists songs that has been illegally used in training it

[delicate pagoda]

hell i guess so. but as you said, its difficult to pick up on that

[drowsy widget]

Yes good, you've said a lot of times throughout this argument that it's "yours" and that's I think is wrong

[delicate pagoda]

im going to keep making the tunes, weather you like it or not. and imma keep making them from the heart. until someone sues me one day for having it actually rip off someones music. then ill be in a pickle and a half. but until then. lemme enjoy what im doing G

[drowsy widget]

You aren't making anything buddy, you're writing the lyrics. You can enjoy what you're doing as long as I can think that what you're doing is wrong

[delicate pagoda]

https://open.spotify.com/track/13bL0mTaUqviiaJ7yYyY9y?si=83cd2471cdd74ae5
I love this one too

[drowsy widget]

ty

[delicate pagoda]

and you can continue to believe what im doing is wrong. it wont stop me from doing what im doing

[drowsy widget]

What you're doing isn't wrong. Calling it yours is wrong

idk what's so hard to understand about that

[delicate pagoda]

i understand it, might have misunderstood it

for sure misunderstood it

the lyrics be mine

the tracks are public domain

[drowsy widget]

yes, Im glad we could find a middleground

[delicate pagoda]

took a while. im never not stoned. and easily confused. all in my bio. easy to miss i guess

[drowsy widget]

lol, never been stoned in my entire life but easily confused I sure am

[delicate pagoda]

comes built in with us apparently

either way. its been fun

glad that got cleared up

[drowsy widget]

yep

take care!

[delicate pagoda]

same to you G

keep up them amazing tracks. You got some good stuff going

[drowsy widget]

Thanks!

and keep up your songwriting. Haven't seen much of it but I'm sure it's good stuff!

[delicate pagoda]

i doubt its good stuff. but will do

[delicate pagoda]

The politics going on in my country drove me to the creation of this one.
https://on.soundcloud.com/RQGQ2PzpSQSjdsEu8

[delicate pagoda]

Wrote a short story. Made two tracks from it. Each being the perspective of two lovers. Descriptions of their stories in the Soundcloud Song Description
https://on.soundcloud.com/Dpe8YTtqy1NAq4xo7
https://on.soundcloud.com/6xVE8STwxbkqMEs5A

[delicate pagoda]

Velvet Drift
Check it out
https://on.soundcloud.com/wZnntryFpZZZCfJs7

[delicate pagoda]

Why not
https://on.soundcloud.com/xnPi7ZAmELbY9qep9

[woven tangle]

yo some of these comments are crazy

i mean i feel like most of the time AI music is pretty buns but saying that its a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourself is kinda crazy 😭

yes it used peoples songs for training but so did every real human who makes song, they are all influenced by songs they have heard and are inspired

and with chat gpt all of its statements are used for training are from random people

just because you have a conversation with it doesnt mean you are copying or disgracing

just like this person whos not tryna make money just having fun with it

[remote scarab]

This is for anyone who's considering AI as an option for making music as an artist.
Why do you think so many artists take years before they make it in the music world?
because they're building their sound. That bit of sparkle that makes their performance shine through the rest. Even as a producer you learn to mix and create in a way that's different to others. Using certain synths, instruments, rhythms... all of which are tied to your personal sound.
Using AI removes that creativity.
In essence it's about as creative as rapping over a pre made youtube beat and saying. 'Hey look at me I made all of this thing you're hearing'

[woven tangle]

yeah that summaries pretty good