Pluribus

[gritty estuary]

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt22202452/

[fluid frigate]

Just finished the pilot

Great first episode

[fair crystal]

Apparently this show is peak, 85 on metacritic, 9.2 on IMDb, 95% on RT

[stable pawn]

Just finished as well

what a great first episode

can't wait to see more for this show

[stable pawn]

watching episode 2

yeah they give vince giligan a lot of budget lmao

[full elbow]

just saw both epis... good shit

Rhea Seahorn is a national treasure, tho i find myself wondering how Kim Wexler wouldve handled this situation

i know for a fact if I was one of the 12, humanity would be doomed, cause theres no chance i could control my temper

[elfin magnet]

Yoooo I just finished both episodes !!!!

[elfin magnet]

Agreed. She's great

Personally I would be living like the dude in the massive plane 🤣 no spoilers. I'd be living life

My buddy told me he would probably launch all the nukes if he was one of the 12 😭 I'm like bro chill just live like a God

[full elbow]

id honestly rather just kill them all with my anger cause they cant consent to anything... not really people, basically pacifist Borg

[elfin magnet]

Yea I can see both sides. I get it. Pretty messed up situation to be in. I'm really curious how the series will play out

Can we discuss theories here? I'm curious why those specific 12 Individuals are unable to be infected

[full elbow]

sure, only thing we cant talk about here are spoilers for future episodes

[elfin magnet]

Oh ok gotchu. Thanks

[full elbow]

they said whatever was happening was similar to a virus.. maybe theyre just the rare ones immune

but youd think thered be more than 12, but i guess a lot probly died when everyone switched over

[elfin magnet]

I'm thinking either these 5 people are INCAPABLE of feeling true happiness for some reason OR they never truly felt happy in their lives. Idk. I could be completely off. Im guessing it's something about happiness or their specific personalities

[elfin magnet]

Yea exactly my thoughts earlier. I'm like only 12? Out of 7 billion?

Hmmm

[full elbow]

Carol was pretty unhappy with her career

[elfin magnet]

Unhappy, miserable, alcoholic lol

[full elbow]

maybe its a combo of unhappy plus natural immunity? dunno. i just dont see how the world could ever go back to normal by the end of the series

[elfin magnet]

You could be onto something for sure

Where would the immunity come from though. I haven't the slightest clue

[full elbow]

some of the 12 left will probly figure out way to trick the pod people into hurting the others they dont like

[elfin magnet]

Then again Vince Gilligan is a master so im sure it's a great plot

[elfin magnet]

Did you catch the part in episode 2 when the pirate lady went to give Rhea the water and she's like "is there a chemical in there to make me one of you?" And the pirate lady responded "no we're months away [...]"

As time passes I'm sure the bots will become immune to her emotional tantrums and they'll probably figure out how to convert them all

[full elbow]

yeah. id imagine having every living scientist working on it would speed things up a lot

[elfin magnet]

And then they'll try to trick them

Lol exactly

Kinda spooky

It's like 1 vs 7 billion minds

Can't wait till the next episodes

Are they dropping 2 every week or is it just for the pilot

[full elbow]

i was kinda surprised how fast things moved in the 1st 2 epis. wonder how many seasons theyre shooting for

[elfin magnet]

Yea same here we learned a lot

[full elbow]

think they usually only drop the 1st 2 at once then the rest is a single epi per week

[elfin magnet]

Ahh ok ok

Honestly I'm sure Vince has written enough for this show to have a few seasons

He's a genius in my book

[stable pawn]

Just finished

yeah Shea acts amazingly

and yeah interested to see more of what happens in this series

https://x.com/Variety/status/1986913802579808736

Variety (@Variety)

Vince Gilligan on pitching the original concept for #Pluribus when execs were asking, “What’s next in the ‘Breaking Bad’ world?”:

“We live in a world of IP, where the safest thing to do is reboot something that has an audience. I wanted to prove to myself I wasn’t a one-trick

X · Nov 7, 2025, 9:49 PM

https://x.com/hideo_kojima_en/status/1986826772470775845?s=46

HIDEO_KOJIMA (@HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN)

I finally got to watch the first episode of Vince Gilligan’s long-awaited new series “Pluribus!”
Oh my god—this is incredible. Absolutely incredible. It pulls you in right from the opening scene. Vince really is a genius!
It’s still too early to tell, but… could this be Vince

X · Nov 7, 2025, 4:03 PM

[celest aurora]

Watched first two episodes and I'm absolutely hooked and can't wait for more episodes. The concept is really interesting and it sets up several philosophical questions too. So great to see Rhea Seehorn again (she was awesome in Better call saul).

[sullen plover]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[fresh willow]

but you see them in episode 2 and those 5 are quite content with the situation at hand

[fair crystal]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMtLDHC3/

[full elbow]

thats perfect. 5 or 6 seasons i think would have lot of filler epis

[velvet mirage]

Is the people infected with hive mind is an allegory to AI

Bevause the way they talked feels robotic and just like AI they just trying to serve you and accept any kind of request you want

[long hazel]

I can kinda see that yeah, especially with the constant positive feedback from them

[surreal bone]

My take is that this show is a dream from kim and its directly connected to BCS somehow

[plain locust]

by episode 2, it’s been two days since the takeover right?

in that case, that dude with the plane is psychotic

[long hazel]

What I imagine is that it’s a guy who had nothing and because the whole world has become this “any wish can be granted” hive mind and it’s quickly got to his head

[plain locust]

definitely. it would be cool if he was being set up as a villain role somehow

[celest aurora]

Ya but I do wonder if a lot of people in his position will behave this way esp if they don't have any family members and are alone like you could get literally anything you want.

[plain locust]

oh of course

sex shit he’s doing is a lil weird but i would have a plane too

[stable pawn]

Just watched the new episode, felt a bit dragged

won't immediately say that the show is bad yet, we're still developing

[full elbow]

the pace of those 1st 2 episodes couldnt possibly be maintained for 4 seasons

[full elbow]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/rhea-seehorn-pluribus-secrecy-interview-1236426437/

[quiet tide]

"from the makers of breaking bad" just piqued my interest, is this cinema?

[proven sierra]

Best pilot ive seen in ages

[celest aurora]

Ya it was fantastic

[full elbow]

Carols fucking the pirate lady up. blew her up last episode, drugged her and gave her a heart attack this one lol

[velvet mirage]

Toxic yuri

[full elbow]

Carols already crossed so many lines with pirate ladys body i fear shes going to get wasted one night and end up fucking her

blowing her up and drugging her was kind of in the service of freeing humanity, so i can forgive it

but if she breaks down and fucks her thatd be a huge stain on her character as she cannot consent

[full elbow]

heh, i guess that was the actual mayor or Albuquerque: https://www.slashfilm.com/2030807/pluribus-episode-4-albuquerque-cameo-tim-keller/

[modest beacon]

came here to say exactly that lol

i just found out and couldnt believe it 😂

[sullen plover]

On the new episode of Pluribus ||The automated voice mail is Howard freakin Hamlin! Obviously it's not the character, but the actor, but still so cool!||

[shut marten]

Also so soon after her wife's death, it would be yiked

The Paraguay guy is so hot

[fresh willow]

watch her break zosia out of the hive just for her to be unable to speak english

[long hazel]

They left that last episode on a pretty good cliffhanger, I wonder what Carol has seen

[silver sable]

just started up the series and jesus h christ, who is Vince Gilligan competing with? himself?

I thought Gilligan had found his forte with grounded crime stories, but then he had to slap me across the face and remind me he also did work on X-Files

[full elbow]

yeah man im loving this show so far

with this shows premise think it'd be great with just 4 seasons

[long hazel]

Yeah, I think by the end of the season we’ll have a solid basis for the show as a whole. Pretty similar to how breaking bad’s first season is very worldbuilding oriented before everything kicks off

[shut marten]

Peak shows have 4 seasons (succession)

I'm so upset the Paraguay guy wasn't in the latest episode

[modest beacon]

WHAT DID CAROL SEE IN THE BAG

WDYM I GOTTA WAIT A WEEK TO FIND OUT

[kindred frost]

"From your body"

[full elbow]

John Cena explaining why they have to consume dead humans was hysterical

i just dont get how Carol and the dude from Paraguay can counter the collective intelligence of the entire human race, but i guess we'll see

[full elbow]

https://www.polygon.com/pluribus-episode-6-explained-vince-gilligan-interview/

[celest aurora]

Really good latest episode and we get to learn a huge thing as well about ||not able to turn the survivors without their consent, it could be misleading though||

[sullen plover]

Wonder if this means ||that one kid that told Carol she wanted to be like them if she gave them their consent||

[modest beacon]

"hello carol, we're john cena" HAHAHAHAHA

[plain locust]

It’s getting reallly good. Feels like it’s starting to pick up now.

[proven sierra]

“We are John Cena” itself had me cracking up

Diabaté saying that the survivors were trying to figure out the food problem pissed me off so bad

Like they have fucking super geniuses in the hive mind. You aint gonna help

But I know people would definitely act like that

People are dumb

People are strange

Spanish people are strange needle drop was peak

[sweet birch]

They only have to resist them

If we assume they need the 12 survivors to join the hive for some reason

They only need to not succumb

[blissful charm]

My sister was talking about how she feels nothing is really happening because of how slow the pacing can be but I feel like it's perfect as it gives me time to process and really think about the show

[modest beacon]

i agree, i think vince is very good at making "slow burns" that still feel like a lot is happening

[long hazel]

Been very intrigued by this show so far, the episodes are ending in good spots where you’re thinking about them until the next episode comes out

[celest aurora]

Absolutely and ya the show is slow burn but the concept is so intriguing that I'm really enjoying it.

[modest beacon]

yeah this show has done a great job of keeping me hooked and waiting super impatiently for the next episode every single week

[plain locust]

I totally get that but yeah the first few episodes were crucial for the set up

But now since the newest episode it’s gotten really exciting

[full elbow]

Glad they got a celebrity in the show. I was starting to wonder what celebs were up to during all of this

[full elbow]

I guess if they need them to join to go on, sure all they have to do is resist. But if thats not the case, theyre going to have to find a way to kill the virus. I just dont see how an author and a guy who runs storage units can achieve that

and if they find a way to kill them all either by angrily emoting or getting their hands on nukes, 12 people arent enough to repopulate the planet

[plain locust]

Most likely Carol and the guy from Paraguay reverse the effect but we’ll see how it plays out

Don’t want to speculate too much

It’s interesting that only 2 out of the 13 survivors are not okay with what’s happened right? That seems crazy to me.

But instead are organizing zoom sessions to brainstorm ways to solve the other’s possible extinction 😂

[blissful charm]

Honestly I love this part of the show. They do such a good job of creating moments where Carol looks like the insane one who is over reacting. Especially when she sends out her videos and they r like: babe we knew. But even though Carol seems "crazy" or "disruptive" she's the only one with the single appropriate, real reaction (besides Paraguay dude). To me, it seems everyone else is in mega denial to stay "sane", and I feel a message of the show is if everything is falling apart it's okay to feel like you're going crazy and to face your problems head on. Especially bc it's so easy for us to trick ourselves that "Ravi is my son" instead of dealing with that tremendous loss like Carol so bravely does with her wife.

Maybe Carol's wife dying is the most important part of the plot because it forced her to grieve and therefore see the situation clearly

Which again points to how the hardest emotions and truths are the most important ones. Just why I love this show so much

[plain locust]

That’s so true! Every other survivor sees Carol as hostile due to word of mouth from the ones that spoke to her in episode 2 and she’s judged for accidentally killing millions of others by letting her emotions out, when she never was even explained this in the first place. That part’s weird, why wasn’t she explained anything? I really agree with the message you’re taking away from the show!

[plain locust]

100% Carol’s wife, I’m assuming, is her only family she’s close to

Thinking about the guy from Paraguay (have to research what his name is) the last interaction in the latest episode, he didn’t seem too close to his mother as well.

It would definitely be a harder time to see the situation clearly when a survivor has family and close loved ones who haven’t exactly passed away, but have turned into this hive mind.

Might have seen obvious but I never put myself on the shoe’s of the survivor’s who are denial because of their valued relationships.

[modest beacon]

yeah you can understand why someone like the mother whos young son is in the hive mind would be hesitant to do anything that could hurt it and just want to keep them alive

[plain locust]

Absolutely which would explain why she’s so angry at Carol fearing she will get emotional again.

However, I am still surprised she’s fine with her son acting completely different. I understand why she would want him to be alive, but not fine with the fact he’s in a hive mind but I don’t have children so I wouldn’t understand.

[serene meadow]

I'm still surprised at how tenacious Carol is. She didn't sway a little, not one bit.

At no point have I seen her trying to enjoy, or take advantage of the situation.

[plain locust]

I would be asking for world secrets

Things like that

[full elbow]

if I was in this situation, The Hive would have to evacuate my town cause id be emotionally melting down and verbally lashing out so much, Id be killing 100's of thousands a day

[plain locust]

That’s the way to do it

[full elbow]

Ive been asking myself what Rhea Seehorn's character Kim Wexler from BCS would do in this situation and Im pretty sure ||shed instantly give The Hive permission to harvest her stem cells and join them. Shes the type to literally change into whoevers around her most||

[sweet birch]

I don’t think that’s a very fair reading of Kim

||Her corruption came from long-term exposure to Jimmy McGill, whom she loved and trusted, as he gradually eroded her principles||

||It’s not like Kim was ever easily swayed by anyone, even him - it took six seasons!||

[full elbow]

||She morphed into whoever she was dating. Jimmy and the "yep" guy||

[sweet birch]

That’s

I mean

I don’t want to say sexist

But that’s oversimplifying her a lot

She was not just the product of her boyfriends lol

[full elbow]

Look, I just think Carol is truly made of the ||"sterner stuff" Mike was talking about||

[sweet birch]

||She chose the “yep” guy as a form of self-imposed exile. No responsibilities, no profile. It was her attempt at penance for betraying all of her core values.||

||She didn’t just chance upon him and decide to try that life out for a laugh||

[full elbow]

so its your opinion that Kim Wexler ||wouldnt join The Hive? Her mom gave her abandonment issues, shed feel alone as fuck once everything went down. I personally think she'd join in an instant||

[sweet birch]

||Kim’s dominant personality trait is believing in the law as a force for good. The only thing that changed is Jimmy momentarily skewed how she defined good - she could just about justify ruining Hamlin because it would get money to the Sandpiper residents sooner, etc||

But she wouldn’t stand for cannibalism

Or the loss of free will

And as a lawyer she’d be a heck of a lot better at combatting the Hive than Carol

She wouldn’t fall for their wording tricks (I.e. what’s likely to happen with her eggs being used as a DNA sample)

[plain locust]

Can’t speak for Kim Wexler, as I haven’t seen BCS in a long time but I believe close to no one would willingly choose to be part of the hive

[long hazel]

They’d at the very least rather reap the benefits of the hive for their own gain rather than join

[plain locust]

Unless, they believe in no suffering as a philosophy

[long hazel]

I do wonder how they’ll end this season to set the show up more broadly

[plain locust]

I been wondering that too

I know it’s green-lit for 2 seasons

But wasn’t Vince Gilligan saying something about wanting it to be a 4 season show?

[modest beacon]

yeah currently its intended to run 2-4 seasons

[plain locust]

Can’t even imagine what the fourth season would look like 😂 I’m excited

One thing I feel that this show could use is a more emphasized soundtrack and needle drops. I feel some scenes could work very well with them.

[blissful charm]

Lmao my mom literally said she would join 😭

[plain locust]

At the same time, they’re very much overused recently

[blissful charm]

I was like no way

[plain locust]

Haha I’m not sure myself

At least not immediately

[blissful charm]

Yeah same. Idk how carol stays motivated

[plain locust]

Good point. First episode, it seemed like she hated people in general hahaha

Now she wants to save humanity

I think a major point that was brought up earlier was that Kim Wexler goes with the majority?

I can’t remember if that’s true but there’s definitely some people who can’t help themselves but go with the majority who would join the hive mind.

[sly zealot]

This show is so fascinating. I’m really enjoying it

[plain locust]

Thinking about the next episode

[full elbow]

poor apple TV trying to trick people with decoy files online... lol

[proven sierra]

Okay this show better actually go somewhere cause my patience is running thin

[modest beacon]

it is planned for 2-4 seasons so buckle up

[full elbow]

shows without proper character development have been allowed to stand for too long. characters simply doing exciting things for excitements sake bore me to tears

this show is properly developing its characters and i love it for it

tonight for example, we learned that Carols a tad suicidal when shes been alone for 2 months

and unlike Manousos who refuses all help and steals nothing, she kind of indulges in the things they provide. Manousos hasnt even taken someone elses car or accepted their water

itll be interesting to see what happens when they meet

[proven sierra]

Its tough though when its only about 3 characters being developed

At most

[full elbow]

so long as theyre being developed fully, im down

[proven sierra]

And very little development has happened.

I understand character development but so many of these scenes feel unnecessary.

[full elbow]

every scene i saw tonight was necessary to understanding their characters

[proven sierra]

We don’t need so many scenes of Carol being pissed or Diabate being hedonistic, we already get that

[proven sierra]

So many of them just tell us what we already know or could have figured out though

[full elbow]

the situation Carol is in is ceaseless, why would she stop being pissed?

[proven sierra]

She shouldn’t, but we don’t need so many scenes whose entire purpose is to tell us she is pissed

I loved episode 4 because it gave us some major insights into the characters and the plot but since then what have we learned?

[full elbow]

didnt see any of that tonight. tonight all carols scenes were about her accepting gifts from the hive, stealing things trhat dont belong to her, and her being so lonely shes near suicidal.

Manousos is basically the opposite. he sticks to his guns and doesnt back down for anything

i think Manousos may have led a lonely life so hes more immune to being alone than the rest

[proven sierra]

But does that need an entire episode? The plot can continue moving while the characters still build

[full elbow]

but carol may fully give in to pirate lady, which would be disappointing. i get shes lonely, but pirate ladys body is being controlled by a virus.. she cannot consent

[full elbow]

Manousos cant get from Paraguay to New Mexico in a single episode when he refuses their help. plus he had to learn english. to rush that wouldve felt silly imo

[proven sierra]

I don’t know. I understand and agree with all your points but it is just getting a bit tiring to watch

I almost feel like this show is a rare occasion where it would benefit from a binge model

[plain locust]

I like the slow pacing personally and I feel it works better this way

One episode, || John Cena is explaining their cannibalism procedure, and the next episode Carol’s doing random shit ||

In all likelihood, after season 1 it will start to dwell into the real stuff

Don’t think we’re going get another season of Carol being angry the whole time this is just season 1’s motif

[plain locust]

Maybe a regretful kiss but I don’t think anything further than that

Stay with me…

Nevermind I came up with a shity theory that made no sense

I feel like that’s the magic to this show, so much things to theorize about but after 2 seconds of thinking, it sounds dumb, it’s hard to tell where it’s going

At least it’s happened to me

[full elbow]

living in full on seclusion for 2 months will really fuck with your head. the Hive knew what they were doing by leaving

[plain locust]

The hive wanted to make Carol dependent of them for sure in those 2 months

I believe she won’t act on anything with Zosia though it’ll just feel weird

[tight comet]

I like how the show heavily relies on the 'Show, don't tell' aspect

[plain locust]

The POLAR opposite of Diabate. They meet, Manousos might just kill him on the spot

[kindred frost]

I knew Carol was gonna break

Humans are social creatures

We cannot survive alone, we'll go nuts

[kindred frost]

Fully agree with this

[modest beacon]

i think the time skip was a good idea and a necessary decision

its honestly impressive she went like 40 days alone

[full elbow]

Love what Vince is doing. People are so addicted to instant gratification that they think they just want exciting stuff happening every episode

but if the characters are not properly developed, i couldnt care less about the exciting things happening to them

[full elbow]

40 days with no human contact and grieving the loss of her partner

I knew instantly when pirate lady got out of that car that Carol was going to hug her and cry

[modest beacon]

im so curious to see how this season wraps up and sets up where the show is going next

[full elbow]

I guess I wont blame Carol that much if she gives in and has relations with pirate lady

shes touch starved and already finds her attractive

tho Manousos will probly call her out on it whenever they meet

im loving Manousos as a character tho. Has strict morals and wont compromise them for anything

[modest beacon]

yeah he will not be happy when he finally gets to her and she's suddenly not so set on turning against the "others"

[full elbow]

i cant see how they can fix all the people with the 12 they have and half of them not even wanting to fix it, but if they figure out a way Manousos will why they fixed it. im 100% sure of it

[queen portal]

I'm glad the stupid phone call joke won't come back again lol

Gotta say these last few episodes with Carol alone has felt like they're indulging too much in slow, repetitive storytelling

I dont mind a slow burn, but it feels like they think seeing Carol do silly shit on her own for 20 minutes every episode is more amusing than it actually is

Really liked Manousos trek

[celest aurora]

I'm enjoying the show but I can't fault people for saying this show is just too slow. I hope the next two episodes are gonna be great.

[solar badger]

me seeing all the pluribus haters on my twitter timeline and being happy my attention span is still somewhat intact enough for me to fully enjoy the show

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-gif-11873666465186939005

[queen portal]

I feel the whole discourse around the show is devolving into "wah too slow" vs "wah attention span"

[plain locust]

Slow pacing 𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 in earlier seasons has always been Gilligan’s style

[plain locust]

Fucking exactly right

In Vince we trust.

[proven sierra]

The difference for me is while, Better Call Saul was slow at the beginning, the characters are all so interesting to watch

As great as a character as Carol is she isn’t the most pleasurable to watch

I trust that things will come together but that doubt that will change these last few episodes in my mind

They haven’t been boring, just agitating and tiring

[plain locust]

There’s 2, max 3 characters that we’re supposed to give a shit about and character development is moving slow so I get what you’re saying

BCS first season pace is like Pluribus I don’t get the criticism like Vince’s shows don’t start like this

[plain locust]

I keep adding on, my fault but what’s happened so far could have definitely been compressed into 4 or 5 episodes instead of 7

What I think this show is going for is a first season with slower more normal moments and ending with a memorable finale that changes its course

[plain locust]

Gonna delete this cause it might be obvious

[serene meadow]

Carol surprised me on episode 7

[queen portal]

Agreed

[queen portal]

And agreed

I like slow pace, but even then the show is taking so much time with scenes that aren't really character moments, they feel more like drawn out gags, so the whole "slow character development" argument doesn't seem right to me

[full elbow]

i dont even call it slow character development, i call it proper character development

[kindred frost]

We're way too used to seeing shows go 500 mph

When back in the day they used to be like this

[proven sierra]

Shows back in the day were filled with filler episodes though

They were only so long cause they had to be

[full elbow]

some were filler, but most of the characters in a 24 episode season were far more developed than current prestige TV characters are, therefore i cared way more about the things happening to them

[full elbow]

welp, Carol went and fucked 7 billion people 🙁

[kindred frost]

There were definitely Wycaro fans in there

[plain locust]

The hive might just be evil

[long hazel]

Save us Manousos

[full elbow]

think theyre just basically a crazy intelligent virus, not sure they can be evil

i knew Carol was going to give in tho. people used to human interaction and touch cant suddenly lose their partner, get abandoned by her entire city for months and not give in when attractive people are around you and willing

i just know Manousos is probly going to hate her

[long hazel]

It’s gonna be a wild interaction. He’ll see the one person he thinks he can team up with in bed with the enemy in a literal sense.

[sweet birch]

Phenomenal episode

Laughing the whole time

Takes a lot of skill on the part of the writers to create a scenario where you recognise that Carol is being emotionally manipulated, even abused, but you still share her longing for companionship

[plain locust]

I was wrong

I didn’t think it was going to happen but should have seen it from episode 7

Finale is coming earlier this week

[kindred frost]

I think more interestingly...the Hive isn't actually evil at all

[sweet birch]

I think they just have a faulty imperative

Like an AI following bad directions

They're going to build this big satellite, pass on the virus and they die out due to a lack of survival programming

[kindred frost]

Mhm

[sweet birch]

It is apocalyptic, just not nefarious

[proven sierra]

Crazy how many people don’t get the concept if the hivemind

If I had a nickel for every “carol and zosia have great chemistry”

Its Severance with its “the innies arent people” discourse all over again

[modest beacon]

of course theyre from kepler 22b lol

classic alien planet

[full elbow]

i kinda like when sci fi uses real places. like Wolf 359 in Trek TNG, a real system in our galaxy thats actually WAY closer than Kepler 22b

it is nuts just how damn vast the space inbetween systems is tho. like it takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach earth, and 4.5 years to reach the next closest star

the fastest human made craft can reach our sun in under a year... to reach the next closest star, 40,000 years...

[modest beacon]

space is crazy

[full elbow]

itd probly take millions of years to reach Kepler at our best speed (635 years if we could move at light speed)

[proven sierra]

Ok this is a nitpick but how the fuck were those balloons still filled with helium in episode 7

Theres no way

[modest beacon]

balloons stay inflated for a good while

was it before or after time skip? i can't remember

[proven sierra]

Before but 12 days is still a stretch

Also can someone explain why Mansous burnt his back?

i get he’s trying to cauterize his wound but like

Theres no way that was a good idea

[modest beacon]

you think a balloon deflates in 12 days?

[low atlas]

I have a feeling that manousos meeting carol will end up with someone from the hivemind dead or seriously hurt

[modest beacon]

i dont think he's gonna be very happy that she's basically accepted the hive mind situation now

[full elbow]

no, but as shes not part of the collective, i think he'll at least recognize he has no choice but to try and save the world with her

I also think Mr. Diabate will come around and help too. Having your every need catered too with no work im sure is great for awhile, but i cant see it not getting boring

its like cheating in GTA. its fun for a bit, but gets old

[plain locust]

Do you guys think the hive actually loved what Carol wrote or just saying it?

I don’t think I fully understand how honest they are

If I remember right they bended the truth at some point

[sweet birch]

They have no concept of or appreciation for art

So it’s not technically lying

But they’re only saying it at all to make Carol happy

[plain locust]

Makes sense

Seems like Carol is capable of figuring this out too but in her emotional distress state right now I understand why she hasn’t

[sweet birch]

Excellent finale

What a show

[modest beacon]

its out???

OH SHIT ITS OUT

time to watch

[modest beacon]

what a good season of television

i hope season 2 doesnt take like three years to come out

[plain locust]

PERFECT finale

Need season 2 now

[plain locust]

Hoping it’s next year but most likely 2027

[modest beacon]

most likely, since they havent started filming season 2 as far as i know

[plain locust]

Didn’t know that, too bad

[tight comet]

Watching the BTS makes me realize why these shows takes so long to make😭
Like it makes sense why some seasons take years to make

[full elbow]

great finale, great 1st season

cant wait to see where it goes from here

I guess that 1st Carol/Manousos meeting went about as well as could be expected

[sweet birch]

I hope S2 is ten more episodes of their bickering

[agile cave]

Pluribus actually made me finally quit Reddit and remove the app. The amount of whining about "slow, boring, uninteresting" was absolutely crazy. They can choose not not watch it.
I thought the finale was excellent and I cannot wait for Vince and his team to cook up more for us to consume!

[modest beacon]

good for you, that place is a hell hole

[plain locust]

Saw some insane comments from the pluribus subreddit so yeah, don’t blame you

[full elbow]

i mean reddit is literally no different from discord, depends on where you go (just like discord)

nearing the end of last nights epi , was starting to think we got rug pulled and Carol was the antagonist and Manousos was the antagonist

glad she came around

im thinking the mother thats still alive might be the most dangerous 'survivor'. If they can manipulate Carol just just leaving her for 40 days, what can they convince this mother of doing while in complete control of her sons body?

[full elbow]

tho i wonder what Carol wants a nuke for

the Hive has a state level spy apparatus, so its not like they could detonate it in a populated area in secret

[full elbow]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/pluribus-finale-cliffhanger-creator-vince-gilligan-interview-1236455087/

[long hazel]

I’m guessing it’s not a bomb after all as you’d need a lot more than just the bomb to do anything with it

Maybe it’s just an analogy

[full elbow]

i highly doubt vince would show a thing as big as a nuke and have it not be one or an analogy

[proven sierra]

You should check out the Severance discord. Its even more insane

[plain locust]

Lfmao I should

Earlier I joined the pluribus discord expecting it to be hell but was surprisingly not that bad

I left early so maybe I missed something

Yea it’s sort of what you would expect

[proven sierra]

Some people are annoying about their criticisms but I don’t think saying “it’s boring” is necessarily a bad criticism as long as you explain why

[full elbow]

i personally have to care about the characters b4 i care about what happens to them. im glad vince is taking his time developing them

[celest aurora]

I really enjoyed this finale, the dynamic between Carol and Manousos was quite interesting and Carol for a time became someone that she hated earlier, in choosing Zosia over saving the world. Carol has a month now to undo the joining and it will be interesting to see how she and Manousos work together. Many speculated that stem cells could come from eggs and they were right.

Overall, I really liked this season, the premise is quite unique, I like the characters. Some of the episodes are quite slow and I don't fault anyone for saying it is.

[full elbow]

I fault people for not understanding that proper character development isnt in fact slow, just proper character development

[modest beacon]

no its a bomb

[proven sierra]

The thing is proper character development can occur with good pacing

You can get to know characters while plot development happens

[full elbow]

which is what we were treated to

[velvet mirage]

People are saying Pluribus is slow

But imo pacing in BCS are much slower and kinda drag at some point

I genuinely enjoy Pluribus despite what many people called it as slow and boring meanwhile BCS you really have to be commited and patient watching the show

[full elbow]

indeed, BCS moves at a snails pace compared to this show

[full elbow]

damn, not even a date set for season 2 to start filming 🙁 https://ew.com/pluribus-season-2-release-will-take-a-while-vince-gilligan-11873854

[lapis aurora]

Ngl i was a little underwhelmed with the finale

But after sitting on it im quite happy with the direction they took

[velvet mirage]

https://x.com/i/status/2004518066940776804

ًenzo (@wlwlore)

zosia distracting carol while she steals her eggs

X · Dec 26, 2025, 11:42 AM

[serene meadow]

It's crazy the way Zosia played with Carol all that time.

I knew Zosia couldn't be trusted!

[full elbow]

Zosia didnt really play her tho, Zosia is basically just a single neuron in a giant brain

[serene meadow]

Zosia knew Carol's intent.

Carol was clear about it.

Nonetheless, Zosia carried on with searching for a way for Carole to get into the "joining", without Carol's consent.

So yes, Zosia played Carol.

Hence why Carol got furious when she realizes what Zosia did, and brought back a nuclear bomb with her.

[full elbow]

Zosia is not an individual. its like saying one of your brain cells acted on its own accord. The Hive played Carol. Every single person thats plugged into the Hive is the exact same super intelligent super organism

[serene meadow]

Man, you are stating the obvious here.

Who said that Zosia is not an individual?

[full elbow]

um, the show says that Zosia is not an individual

[serene meadow]

So why do you say that to me?

[full elbow]

because you said Zosia played Carol when in reality the collective consciousness of all of humanity played Carol

you said Zosia cant be trusted... suggesting other people plugged into the Hive can be. theyre all the same!

[serene meadow]

The fact that you are interpreting things differently has nothing to do with what I wrote.

[full elbow]

not too sure its up for interpretation. the suggestion that one of the Hive cannot be trusted over others suggests a misunderstanding of what the Hive is

[celest aurora]

Ya Carol was duped as well

[proven sierra]

What a rough finale

I don’t know what I expected but I wanted SOME payoff

Instead we got an hour straight of Carol being annoying as hell and avoiding any productive conversation with Manuosos

It would be one thing if we saw Carol become attached to the hive mind but instead we got that time skip

Ugh she’s just such an unpleasant character

It sucks I was so looking forward to this finale man

[lapis aurora]

We saw it

When zosia comes back all we do is just watch her get more attached to the hive

The timeskip is basically just there to show carols fantasy land after she chooses the girl over the world

And then it all comes crashing down at the cabin

Honestly i was underwhelmed too but this is like the classic vince season 1 finale

Breaking bad season 1 ended with walt and jesse officially getting into the game
Bcs ended with saul saying fuck it and embracing the slipping jimmy ways

And now we have carol getting serious and actually trying to end the hive or be ended

[full elbow]

Carol knows she did wrong and feels guilty. thats why she avoided a lot with Manousos

[lapis aurora]

Sucks that we have to wait a couple of years for season 2 but overall i loved the season as a whole

[full elbow]

doesnt sound like the shows for you, you maybe shouldnt watch?

im personally loving every episode

[lapis aurora]

Nah its understandable to be let down

[full elbow]

not to me

[lapis aurora]

Yeah and thats subjective

[proven sierra]

I like it, but I can have problems with it

And the protagonist being insufferable is one of those problems

[lapis aurora]

Btw off topic but the montage of manousos journey is probably my favorite montage in any vince show

[full elbow]

ah ok, you sound let down literally every time you speak on the show is the only reason i suggested dropping it

[proven sierra]

I actually love the season one BB finale. I don’t get why people don’t love it

[lapis aurora]

Honestly i felt the same way but like now i get them

[proven sierra]

I liked the first few episodes but since then ive had very little positive to say

[lapis aurora]

They dont like it cuz it dosent really feel like a finale

[proven sierra]

I loved the first scene to this episode though. The last shot with the music was also great.

[lapis aurora]

It feels like the ending of another episode

[full elbow]

havent personally been let down by a single episode this season

[lapis aurora]

Ngl i thought the season would end on a cliffhanger war between manny and carol basically weaponizing the hive to try killing each other

Since zosia mentionz the hive cant really stop a person if they wanna murder one anothef

Glad they didnt go that route

[proven sierra]

This whole season has been agitating and meandering and the defense has been “Vince is leading somewhere, trust” only for the finale to be even more setup for something we won’t get for years.

[lapis aurora]

Ok tbf

The nuke is pretty cool set up

[proven sierra]

Its awesome but unfortunately its 5 minutes in an episode that is 90% Carol pretending to be dumb and not understand the hivemind or Manuosos’ point of view

[full elbow]

i think thats where itll go eventually. im thinking theres another survivor out there that has sworn the hive to keep him secret from the others. and since all the survivors so far have been decent people (like no murders, pedophiles, ect) theres gotta be an evil survivor out there

i feel like with the Hive all you have to do is word things a certain way to get them to do what you want, if this evil survivors a wordsmith, he might be able to weaponize them

[proven sierra]

The dialogue of her saying stuff like “why can’t we talk in the house?” is just dumb. I as a viewer know exactly why, she’s supposed to be pretty smart, she should know

[full elbow]

carol feels guilty for what she did with Zosia and probly loves her a bit, she wasnt going to instantly go along with Manousos

[lapis aurora]

I mean why cant they talk in the house

[full elbow]

they have government level surveillance, they can probably hear everything they say anywhere

[lapis aurora]

Like she thought that the hive wouldnt invade her privacy or spy on her house from the inside,

[proven sierra]

She should understand Manuosos’s perspective which is that they very well could have bugged her house. Why would they not?

[lapis aurora]

I mean i thought the hive sold it pretty well that they would just keep tabs on her w the drone, not literally bug her house

[proven sierra]

I guess it supports how selfish Carol is

[lapis aurora]

Also she was living w zosia for a few weeks atp so she was drinking the kopl aid a little

[proven sierra]

But its just soo annoying to watch

[lapis aurora]

All ik is i fucking despised lexmi

Everyone else i loved

[proven sierra]

Lmao yeah, everyone can agree she’s the worst

[lapis aurora]

Lexmi was just annoying as shit

Heres hoping they pull a howard and make her my favorite character

[proven sierra]

Idk, Carol was great in the first few episodes but after a bit she’s just a very very hard person to want to follow

[full elbow]

i mean her life is pretty fucked and the Hive is emotionally manipulating her

Carol would have to really go off the deep end to make me hate her

[proven sierra]

She doesn’t need to be a good person. I mean, I just saw Marty Supreme where the protagonist is basically irredeemable and I loved that movie

[lapis aurora]

I mean decent with some quotation marks

Mr diabate and his orgies are still a thing so ye

[full elbow]

sure, what i mean is no murderers and pedos so far. there has to be a fully evil survivor out there

[proven sierra]

I dunno. I’m excited for season 2, but unfortunately, to me this season will stay as a season full of setup, even, dare I say, some filler, and very very little payoff

[lapis aurora]

Wait actually how many have we metnso far?

[full elbow]

13, 12 now that one of them willingly joined the Hive. that was a fun scene, how her tribe was all talking and singing for her benefit and the moment she turned they all just went silent cause theyre all the same brain

[lapis aurora]

Oh yee

Nah ik the number im just curious how many showed up in ep 2

I forgot that since i saw the episode when it came out then dipped until yesterday

[serene meadow]

Same here, I wanted to see more complicity between Carol & Manuosos.

Having to wait for season 2 to see them fight back, is frustrating.

This episode is a bit of a letdown to me.

But the show is refreshing, I like it.

[queen portal]

Liked the finale

That first scene was really good

Manousos is a great character

Weird to hear his colombian accent when he's supposedly from Paraguay tho lol

Carol's still annoying but had an interesting arc this season

Overall solid season in spite of it being mainly set up and some pacing issues

[full elbow]

i wonder how the hive would react to one of them being taken prisoner? i cant see them leading an assault to get them back

[sly zealot]

I really enjoyed this show and I loved the ending

[celest aurora]

The ending was quite good

[serene meadow]

The peak moment in the entire season, to me, is when Carol pressures Zosia to answer her questions in episode 4.
I was so captivated.

[serene meadow]

The way the show is paced, to me, feels like it was designed like old shows such as "Lost" or "24 Hours."

It's as if it was initially written for more than 20 episodes, but they had to cut it short because the norm has become 9 now.

[full elbow]

i love the theory that Carol is just ||Kim Wexler after visiting Ed the Disappearer||

[full elbow]

The Hive marketing to themselves:

[full elbow]

if i were Carol or Manousos, Id imprison a few of the hive and scream and negatively emote in their presence to see if done long enough theyd sever their connection

[full elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4AdWAL4TgE

[full elbow]

man people are fundamentally misunderstand what the Plurbs are. saw a post today that asked, "Do you think the Plurbs love each other?"

its like asking if one of your neurons loves the other neurons... its senseless lol

[ripe tartan]

just rewatched the whole series again, this is my fav show now, I was shocked when Carol went off with Zosia and abandoned manousos but thankfully she came to her senses in the final

I read an interesting theory that all of this show is Carol's hallucinations, that she is really in rehab, that the people surrounding her are trying to help her to sobriety, It's a crazy theory but I still like it alot lol

[sly zealot]

Yayyy Rhea 😍

[sullen plover]

It's about time

[sly zealot]

Absolutely 👏

[sullen plover]

Honestly should've won for her bus scene in Better Call Saul

https://tenor.com/view/kim-wexler-cry-better-call-saul-sad-gif-2965959408996883745

[queen portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkPXhNSVlZs

[sweet birch]

No 🙂

[queen portal]

Yes

[olive radish]

Damn i really hate Carol

i take great delight in seeing her suffer and being punished for being a bad person

[olive radish]

ok i saw it to the end, beautiful show , i took kinder to Carol after she started to act kinder

but she still is a metaphor for everything bad about humanity

[full elbow]

ill never get people shitting on Carol

sure she talks mean to the hive, but as they stole the entirety of humanity minus 12 individuals, should they be talked nice to?

[full elbow]

how has humanity treated Carol tho? she had to go to a conversion camp cause she likes girls, she had to alter the main love interest in her slop stories to cater to people who would probly reject her if she made the pirate man into a pirate lady

she wasnt happy with humanity before they were all taken over by aliens and now that they have been shes way more unhappy. i think shes behaving exactly as she should

[olive radish]

She does not only talk

Also I only ask for fairness

[full elbow]

they did more than talk too, they took over everyones body

[olive radish]

She speaks rude and entitled, bitchy and so on, she should get treatment like that too

[olive radish]

Idk it can’t be helped

[full elbow]

oh no! someone speaks rudly and bitchy to an alien virus that took over all the humans! gasp!

[olive radish]

The idea of the whole humanity change does not matter in technical terms but what they represent

A paradise like state, heaven on earth

[olive radish]

I don’t fault her for her life

[full elbow]

paradise where none of the people have agency is a fucking disaster

[olive radish]

I fault her for her actions

[olive radish]

It’s difficult to say in that state over there they don’t have agency

They are willing to take the high road

[full elbow]

its not difficult to say, theyve 100% lost their identities and are now simply single neurons in a giant brain

[olive radish]

if you take it somewhat literally in a sci fi sense

but when i saw pluribus others represented virtue to me

goodness

kindness

carol is completely opposite, not on a biblical level , but still a rotten egg

[full elbow]

Carols behaving as a person who hated humanity b4 they turned and who now has to save it should

[olive radish]

even in the end as long as she gets what she wants , and can indulge in pleasure of hedonism all was fine to her

[full elbow]

Carol was left alone for a month and a half. you try not interacting with anyone for that long and tell me the shit you get up to

[olive radish]

she is not a hero, just a greedy, angry human that has a whole array and collection of a bitter bad person

she deserved it

[full elbow]

if she was a bad person, she wouldnt be trying to fix everyone

[olive radish]

of course it is natural they distanced themselves after a literal murder attempt bro

[full elbow]

she hated humanity before, and is still trying to save everyone. thats 100% not a bad eprson

[olive radish]

i dont care what she hated

or what her life is like

i only judge her on her own choices

[full elbow]

then you dont care to give the character a fair shake

understood

[olive radish]

it is fair to be judged by what you do

[full elbow]

its also fair to have those actions viewed through a lens of experience

[olive radish]

no , its excuses , she is not 12 years old

she can, on her own accord not be a total shit

[full elbow]

faulting a person who speaks rudly to a fucking literal alien takeover will never not be baffling to me lol

[olive radish]

even when she calls to ask for this gatorade (out of spite in the first place)

she speaks

i want

[olive radish]

she speaks that way to humans too

make no mistake

her true colours are black sheep

she is not a good person

[full elbow]

we'll have to agree to disagree 🙂

[olive radish]

ultimate kindness does not change carol

what chance do normal people have

[full elbow]

'ultimate kindness' of stealing everyones body... lol

[olive radish]

that part i dont even recognise in this discussion

[full elbow]

i mean...

[olive radish]

im not talking about it in a scientific way

for me its a more philosophical clash there

also

you use that point for Carol

but it is fake

she is only pretending she cares about that

as long as her greed is satisfied there would be no care

she turned coat only because she smelled danger to herself

Manousos on the other hand showed unyielding principles

i believe him

he cares about "steal"

he pays for petrol he takes

carol just wants to benefit thats all

[full elbow]

if carol were greedy, she would be doing what Mr Diabaté is doing. yes she slipped with the pirate lady, but that was after being in full solitude for a month and a half. The Hive manipulated her to try and bring her closer to them

[olive radish]

see she is greedy, but she likes to put up a front

there is nothing real behidn it

[full elbow]

Mr Diabaté strikes me as the only greedy one, with maybe Laxmi being greedy for her family so she goes along with it

[olive radish]

Carol tried to find dirt on them the whole season

there is none

[full elbow]

people who are actively trying to stop this 'ultimate kindness' are not the greedy ones to be sure

[olive radish]

she is not trying

she feels forced into doing that to save herself

[full elbow]

im sensing you fundamentally think the world would be better in the hive state

[olive radish]

its not her choice its a survival instinct

[full elbow]

so you shit on Carol for not saying, "thank you"

[olive radish]

of course, they represent an ideal society

[full elbow]

ok, we're both coming from wildly different stances. you think The Hive is good, I think the Hive is evil

[olive radish]

when you speak like she does

you deserve not to be spoken to

and thats what she gets

trust me if carol was opposite of you , you would find her fucking exhausting

but speaking is not hte only tihng she did

IV drip

[full elbow]

and when youre an alien virus that takes over all the bodies on a planet, you deserve to die (which is what will probly happen)

[olive radish]

again i do not think of this in some straight forward sci fi way

i think aobut it how morality clashes with humanity

where carol represents the worst

and hive the best

"worst" not in a cartoonish sense, but somewhat realistic

[full elbow]

the hive isnt human. they arent individuals. everyone is the same person. sure society is more cohesive like that, but with no real choice or individuality its a clusterfuck and needs dismantling

[olive radish]

alien virus wont "harm" a tree by picking an apple forcibly and you think this is something to do with pragmatic considerations of sci fi genre

its strictly philosophical

[full elbow]

i feel like you shouldnt watch the rest of this show. cause The Hive will probly lose and you'll be all pissed that society doesnt end in its 'perfect' state

[olive radish]

i think they are just making a collective choice to the best of their ability

[full elbow]

wont harm a tree by picking an apple, but will take over a human beings body and erase all sense of individuality from them... that itself is an act of violence

[olive radish]

individuality is not erased

but it was an act of wind blowing

individual agency based on personal knowledge

[full elbow]

gets dumped into the collective

[olive radish]

yeah cuz

when out of 10 people

1 is a doctor

you want the doctor to decide how to cure

[full elbow]

they all have the abilities of all doctors. they are not individuals, they are borg. they are single neurons in a big brain

[olive radish]

yeah thats just a database

you know a right answer

its ridiculous to do the wrong one on purpose

so the agency loss of a restricted individual is not something evil, but something rational

[full elbow]

i dont think you grasp just how evil youre sounding lol

[olive radish]

pluribus to me is not exactly about A-B sci fi

but a philosophical subtext

exploration of how low humans can remain to be even in the face of ultimate virtue

i cant forgive carol myself for your reference

im not some buddha or jesus

but hive could

[full elbow]

so, youd support putting chips in everyones brain at birth that erased individuality and connected everyone whos been chipped together? cause thats exactly what the hive has done

[olive radish]

you know chip itself has no imperative

i dont fault a virus for infecting me

its force of nature

not of choice

[full elbow]

but you would fault a person for fighting a virus, yeah?

[olive radish]

no but virus itself has no moral standing

nor sentience

the way it happened is virus like

the way it proceeds is higher order of life

[queen portal]

I dont think she wants to save humanity out of the goodness of her heart, but out of wanting the status quo back

Think thats what the grovery store scene represents

[full elbow]

thats ok, shes still trying to save a world that rejected her and that she still slightly resents. thats good enough for me

[queen portal]

Carol believes she is doing the right thing because she adheres to a (very american) sense of individualism

She's mccarthyism incarnate lol

I dont remember who was that asked her if she had even bothered to ask the Plurbs how life was for them or try to understand their experience

Its all about how things should be for her, never about what good might come of this new normalcy

Not saying she's wrong or the hive mind is right necessarily

[full elbow]

oh man... plz dont tell me ur one of these people that thinks the world might be better off?

[queen portal]

But she is a very flawed person with a flawed world view

[queen portal]

I think there's an interesting conversation to be had around the ethics being presented in the show

[full elbow]

cause, you know what would also rid the world of rape, stealing, and murder? killing all the humans. i personally think thats a bridge too far and wildly not worth it

removing everyones individuality and agency is worse than murder for a lot of people. i know id rather be dead than my body be a drone for some hive.

[queen portal]

Lol thats not the discussion the show presents tho is it

[full elbow]

just trying to illustrate, losing freedom is worse than death to a lot of people

[queen portal]

Idk, to me Carol always seems to be preocuppied with the most boring things imaginable

[full elbow]

the hive is committing an act worse than murder to achieve their peace

[queen portal]

She literally has access to all human knowledge that has ever been recorded and all she's preocuppied with is having her grocery store look exactly like it did before

[full elbow]

she lost her spouse, all her family, all her friends, all the people shes ever known in a months time. who knows how any of us would react

[queen portal]

Compare her to Manousos, who wont even accept their medical aid out of principle

[full elbow]

Manousos is a special unicorn

[queen portal]

He's the ethical one, as specific as his ethics might be

Carol is just annoyed that things arent the way they're supposed to be in their head

[queen portal]

I would have liked to see her meet other people of her previous life after they've been turned

[full elbow]

no part of it could be the grief shes feeling over the hive killing her spouse (not purposely, but kill her nonetheless) and taking away all the people shes ever known?

[queen portal]

Her reaction would have told us more about her character than listening to the stupid voice recording for the 200th time lol

On that note, give us more about her past in general

Show us a flashback to her time at conversion therapy so we can draw parallels to the hive mind

There's a lot to explore there but the show would rather spend time with Carol watching a drone botch a delivery for like 7 minutes

It tells rather than shows

Also, why not explore the other characters as well?

Whats Laxmi's life with her family? Does Carol's words ever get to her?

[full elbow]

it totally doesnt tell rather than show. they never told us Carol was suicidal, they showed us. they didnt tell us that she missed human companionship so much that she gave in to a hive she hates just to be around someone. they showed us

[queen portal]

Idk, i'm kind of rambling, these are just thoughts i've had about the show since the finale

[queen portal]

Meant for the conversion camp point specifically

[full elbow]

i think the conversion camp thing was to tell the audience that Carol has every reason to give in to the hive. they dont care about her being a lesbian at all. theyd also love to read the book she wants to wite. despite this, Carol is trying to fix things cause she knows its wrong to take over everyones bodies

i like Carol for that

[queen portal]

She says she doesnt trust them becayse they have the same smile and polite demeanor, but behind that all they really want is to change who she is

[queen portal]

I dont like her but i think she's an interesting character

That said, sometimes i kind of wish Manousos was the protagonist lol

But i dont think he can carry the whole show as the protagonist

[olive radish]

This is a classic false dichotomy

[olive radish]

Of course they like to read it

She is a popular author and she had an army of fans who are hive at the moment

Idk if hive is the term even , you are just coining it

It is also plain wrong, you imply some hierarchy

Idk how to say it plainer, but Carol is evil

Sinful

Not comparing her to hitler, but most of the time she chooses to be bad

Last segment of the show I immediately started supporting her kinder behaviour, but it all boiled down to her greed

Chica or the world was perfect name for the episode, it tells you all about how petty she is really

Her “saving the world” is a lie

[queen portal]

I wouldnt go so far to say she's evil

[queen portal]

But i do agree with this

[olive radish]

do her choices showcase her as kind and virtuous

caring for others

in general

[full elbow]

i imply a hierarchy? when? how?

[full elbow]

cause of the term Hive? Hive is not reflective of the hierarchical nature of the insect world, just that they all share a hive mind.

No one is an individual, each person is a single neuron in a giant brain

[olive radish]

semantics , but ok

my point on Carol stands

[full elbow]

as does mine

[queen portal]

Carol isnt a paragon of virtue

Nor is she evil for being selfish

She's just flawed and thats what makes her interesting

I dont think the hive are evil either, they just function that way

Its in their nature to try to assimilate every consciousness they come across, i dont think its a choice per se

Like someone said earlier, a virus isnt evil, it just is

[full elbow]

i dont think theyre evil either, just like i dont think cancer is evil, it just is. we fight cancer all the same

[fluid frigate]

just finished this show and reading this channel sure is something

such a simplified and boring take on this show

[proven sierra]

Latest fallout episode has some major Pluribus imagery

[fluid frigate]

also my favorite episode of this first season is the gap

I love how it portrays loneliness in such a visually stunning way