Peacemaker - Season 2

[silent bane]

This is a good setup

Episode

[heavy oracle]

but 2 years...

[silent bane]

Been a real band

That song was 2010

[carmine locust]

Never heard of the band

[silent bane]

Technically ended with episode 7. Episode 8 is just setup for the salvation comics.

[heavy oracle]

could say that

[young plover]

maybe if peacemaker wasnt sent there at the end

because the show is called peacemaker and he never really ends up making peace with himself

(joke)

[carmine locust]

Dude ain’t surviving Salvation

[zealous dove]

he survived a building falling on him a bullet in a neck, if ur talking about actual peacemaker

[young plover]

Also maybe rick flag hates Chris that much. Does he also hate his fellow soldiers to laugh while they die?

[carmine locust]

He did all this shit just because he killed his son out of self defense. What a moron

[zealous dove]

jesus christ i hate adebayo character and shit

she is like completely out of a different show

[carmine locust]

Adebayo is a way better character than Economos. The latter is useless

[zealous dove]

economos is funny

why the fuck i needed a tragic scene of her breaking up with her girlfriend

[carmine locust]

If you remove Economos, the show would still move on. A very cowardly character.

[zealous dove]

i did not need the date scene between harcourt and peacemaker too

if anything it breaks immersion

now i think she is warm and nice

and peacemaker is charming and smart and mature and shit

[young plover]

i always have this problem with gunn's character where they end up being a one trick pony. Fleur only tells stupid funny stories. Adebayo is wholesome.

[zealous dove]

thats what gunn himself shows me

[carmine locust]

Fleur still have jokes.

[zealous dove]

llike i cannot comprehend some normal humans giving a PEACEMAKER a pity party

[young plover]

Fleur is fucking funny. But he's just that. Because this show has so many characters to resolve. I mean can someone take more than two lines to explain Bordeaux's character

[young plover]

yeah how old are you

[zealous dove]

dude who talked shit to children in a classroom

[zealous dove]

super fucking old (not really)

just writing is inconsistent , its a signature of gunns

he wants to do a lot of things

and cannot commit to something

so it becomes patchy

[carmine locust]

Imagine thinking this is some issue.

[heavy oracle]

reminder that chris and adrian have had a threesome together

[zealous dove]

did they

when

[carmine locust]

Like all your criticisms aren’t really that valid tbh.

[heavy oracle]

s1

[zealous dove]

what is not valid

[carmine locust]

I remember when you said Peacemaker in S2 didn’t have any physical struggle, so the writing sucks

[zealous dove]

yeah yeah

if you dont forget 90% of why i said that was

it makes perfect sense

[carmine locust]

Then now you have issues that Peacemaker and his friends had a party.

[zealous dove]

i aint arguing about it if you are blind

[zealous dove]

again, where is the Peacemaker ?

[carmine locust]

That’s completely normal.

[zealous dove]

i mean his actual personality

[young plover]

Okay i also have criticism but i dont get whatever allison is saying

[zealous dove]

how did he turn it 180 ?

[carmine locust]

Eh? How is that not his actual personality?

[young plover]

google character development

[carmine locust]

Peacemaker partying isn’t contradictory

[zealous dove]

stop lying

season 1 peacemaker is mega crazy trash talker

[young plover]

remember tss where he was introduced? he partied

[zealous dove]

why in season 2 he is sad and reasonable guy

charming and mature

HOW

[carmine locust]

His “physical struggle” bullshit doesn’t even make any sense when Peacemaker pretty much underwent struggle throughout this season. You also claimed he was passive, when the entire point of this season was that he’s depressed and left to another timeline.

[zealous dove]

if i keep calling people idiots for 20 years i cant stop doing it in a week

[young plover]

I feel like you missed all of the parts where his dad had a chokehold on him

[zealous dove]

yeah bro i am not going back to that

you are not adressing my point

you are making up shit

[carmine locust]

I addressed your point. You’re just making unnecessary criticisms and claiming where is the real Peacemaker

You also don’t understand something called character development

[zealous dove]

where is a real peacemaker yeah - thats a question

[zealous dove]

YOU dont

you believe a total shift is completely plausible somehow

have you met any real people

i like eating nuts for 20 years, you think i can change in a week ?

he was talking shit for 20 years - he completely stopped

[carmine locust]

He still talked shit in S2, but he’s a better person than he was compared to S1 and TSS.

[zealous dove]

if gunn was not stupid about it , he would portray peacemaker doing it as a habit, but then having retrospective moments, catching himself by the wrist and ATTEMPTING to remedy it, and doing some of it still thinking its fine

[carmine locust]

I don’t know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. You can’t expect Peacemaker to be the same ruthless character from TSS.

[zealous dove]

yes you can because no human can change their whole set of behaviours that quickly

change is not instant

thats why when flag punches him peacemaker ALWAYS punches back

even if he does not want to

[carmine locust]

He can still be violent as we’ve seen in that Sons of Liberty episode, but Chris himself regrets what he did.

[carmine locust]

His whole behaviour isn’t changed.

[heavy oracle]

s2 is set a couple of years after s1

[zealous dove]

ur just satisfied with cutting corners - i am not

s1 was filled with peacemaker being peacemaker at like

all times

he was reasonable for like 2 percent of the time

also i appreciate gunn trying to escape marvel curse, providing cheap entertainment and hype , manipulative cliff hangers for the sake of substance and depth and emotion

but right now he needs to learn to do it better

i see that he wants to be not typical trash, but still has a logn way to go to real cinema status i guess

[carmine locust]

S2 was good television. It’s not the usual goofy stuff he does.

[zealous dove]

"goofy" is not something id have any issue with

[carmine locust]

Even the acting was better in this compared to his previous works.

[zealous dove]

whose acting

acting was stellar in general

[young plover]

Six months

[zealous dove]

i cant say it was bad in any of gunns works

despite casting all of his friends and family they are good at what they do

so casting is always stellar for gunns projects

ok suicide squad fucking sucked

also i wish peacemaker ended up in a peacemaker costume

like idk not a single fucking scene of using his super helmets

him standing in his costume would be cooler than jeans and t shirt in his last scee

also do you guys not realise after s1 he literally goes on tv to trash talk superman lol

to say shit like , you know im the hero and he is not

[silent bane]

I haven’t forgotten, it’s late night crap show too.

Harley Quinn show did that and showed any b tier villain come up and it’s like a normal Wendy Williams program.

It’s one of those elements you just accept is part of the world.

[silent bane]

What was bad about it?

[zealous dove]

overall acting was forgettable

[carmine locust]

He will probably change his opinion in MOT.

What we know is that Peacemaker doesn’t like heroes who have a strict moral code

He thinks they’re bunch of pussies and psuedo. This might change after S2, and he will respect heroes like Superman.

[heavy oracle]

can we say that the gunn jammed this once

[zealous dove]

nope

he did well

all things considered

he has potential as a filmmaker

he only needs to make the leap imo

i understand its weird sounding given he is old and accomplished

but all that success is meaningless

peacemaker s1 +s2 is best work he did after guardians 1+3

shame, vigilante spinoff ?

i think peacemaker needs more screen time

[main trellis]

wwhats the big cameo?

naah not a great ending

[zealous dove]

no cameo

but who cares

cameo crap is marvel capeshit

wait there is a post credits scene maybe there is one

[carmine locust]

He was trolling the fans with all that hype and big cameo shit.

[zealous dove]

but what if some superman flies down

what would it mean for the show

[carmine locust]

Wut

[main trellis]

it wouldnt have mattered if he hadn't made any promises.

but he did

as a conclusion to a series without an action sequence from a character who's all about violence is boring

Character work is something but there has to be something that makes this series memorable.

[zealous dove]

Yeah that was my point

Peacemaker should have fought every step of the way

[carmine locust]

Hope we get a proper fight between Peacemaker vs Flag Sr in MOT.

The latter is on a power trip.

[marsh brook]

Rick Flag Sr, what a joke

[zealous dove]

Peacemaker should have defended himself against him

[carmine locust]

Him not defending himself then is understandable.

Now, it’s a different scenario.

[zealous dove]

i do not understand it 🙂

[carmine locust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/s/cFVjDR06Ib

Gunn better has explanation for this.

[cloud pike]

Kinda ironic how glad Chris was to get outta jail in the very first episode in season 1.
Now, last episode season 2 he wants to stay in.
Just saying...

I've just noticed that not only Adebayo but also Michael "Red St. Wild" Rooker does a wtf face when he joins the melee at the end of the opening dance, haha.

He's like, wtf James Gunn is making me do in order to get the bag💰
😄

[tight patrol]

Just watched the latest episode and honestly it sucks. Nothing meaningful happened this season. I feel like I wasted my time.

[cloud pike]

I've also just finished ep8.
I don't know why you guys are all angry about.

[cloud pike]

"Nothing meaningful"

Are you kidding me. The guy literally locked up Peacemaker in an other dimensions. He even got the approval of the government to put more people in it.

He just prove he would put anyone in it, if he feels like they belong, regardless they did something wrong or not.

[tight patrol]

I'm not angry. I feel like what happened in Season 2 at the end can be and will be summarized in the next Superman movie. I expect Peacemaker to pop up in the next Superman movie

[cloud pike]

@tight patrol , I don't mean u personally, but a lot of people here seem not to like ep8.

[tight patrol]

That's fair, we're all entitled to our own opinions. I do feel like Season 1 was better though. Season 2 did show what John Cena is capable of in terms of acting

[hoary raft]

I wouldnt say angry just dissatisfied

The other eps were better than the finale this season

[cloud pike]

We even had like 2 moving speech from Adebayo :

1st > the way she handled he break up with her gf.
2nd > the speech she gave to Peacemaker in that room when they were all around him.

[hoary raft]

Yeah those were my least fav scenes

😭

[tight patrol]

I'm not a fan of Adebayo to be honest

[cloud pike]

For the record:

I didn't say those were my fav.

[hoary raft]

Yeah, i mean i get their position in the narritve kinda

but theyre pretty 1 dimensional compared to the rest of the supporting cast

like adrian, economos and harcourt had more im sure what u call it

personality

[cloud pike]

Agreed

Ok, if I have to rank all characters based on how important they are to Chris I'd say :

1st : Harcourt
2nd : Adebayo
3rd : Eagly
4th : Adrian
5th : Economos

And I mean that from "Chris" stand point.

[hoary raft]

have u guys seen puss in boots

[cloud pike]

Nope

[hoary raft]

the one with the death wolf, and stuff

ok uh idk

ads was less of a character and just a narrative tool kinda

they just showed up as gunn's like

"this person shows up to say the objectively right thing at the right time to therapy X character and leaves"

and its all they did

😭

[zealous dove]

wdym Adrian lmao

[cloud pike]

I mean "Vigilante".

[zealous dove]

he let him get mauled

[cloud pike]

haha, true.

[zealous dove]

he is literally lucky that Vigilante managed to decieve himself into thiking its a good thing

https://youtu.be/jdBVt5uBf4M

dude i miss this shit talking

"you are fucking adorable" 😂

[cloud pike]

U right actually.
Now that I think of it, at no point we see Chris showing concern about Vigilante not even once!

[zealous dove]

thats what i meant when we dont see peacemaker in peacemaker , how does a guy go from this

to s2

[cloud pike]

"I wanna put u in my pocket"

That line cracks me up ><

[hoary raft]

yeah the like heart of the character was the comedy

a bit like vigilante, violent but comedic

like in s1 or suicide squad

we got less of that this season

[zealous dove]

i mean peacemaker is just as lethal as vigilante

if not more

he just does not have a hard on for murder

[hoary raft]

im sure there was a way to retain that, him having his core character whilst still having his idk soul seeking

[zealous dove]

this hole trash talking is his defensive mech to deal with past trauma

you just cant discard it in a day

[cloud pike]

Also in ep8, Judomaster nearly got sucked into a Black hole.

[hoary raft]

yeah that was the stand out montage this last ep

the portals

it was goofy n interesting

[cloud pike]

Yeah.
Kinda reminded me of Stargate.

[worldly dagger]

finale was bad

[heavy oracle]

feeling sad for the first soldier that died in the portals

he was a good guy

[zealous dove]

kinda hilarious how rick flag is just laughing

while agents die left and right

great general

what can you say

but overall his intentions are reasonable imo, not realistic though

"hey super man i decided that by law u go to prison planet now"

he can round up someone like peacemaker by force ok

[hoary raft]

Flag sr. Is lowkey a budget Waller, evil higher up fighting for ends justify means, except douchey

[zealous dove]

i dont see how its feasible

i legit agree with his decision to put peacemaker there , personal vendeta or not

from gov PoV

dude is crazy

and crazy powerful

he even had a fuck off portal in his storage room

[cloud pike]

And, the character "Rick Flag Sr." is growing on me since the speech he gave to explain why he wants to use that planet as a prison.

He reminded me of "Light Yagami" from Death Note.

[hoary raft]

Why did it have to be a temperate place

Instead of idk

That black hole dimension

If you wanna chuck metas into em

[zealous dove]

idea was not to punsih

[hoary raft]

So I’ll kill buncha my own troops but not the prisoners cause humanitarianism

😭

[zealous dove]

well u know if peacemaker is alive you can use him down the line

if he is not its a "weapon" wasted

[cloud pike]

Because it is too on the nose. Sending them into a black hole is like a death penalty!

Whereas at least, that Earth-like prison seems more like an exile, which aligns more with Rick Flag Sr.'s plan, which is to cast all criminals out of society.

[carmine locust]

This is another alternate reality. https://youtu.be/M_pjeg3EkwM?si=3wqSh7MjwWEFwM64

[carmine locust]

He wants an internment camp for metahumans. This doesn’t even make sense to me despite the fact Clayface broke his back. Either it’s a clone of Flag Sr or compromised by Lex via some chip

[heavy oracle]

i doubt its a clone because why would he say its for ricky

at the end

it definitely felt like a scene was cut between the lex convo and sasha asking what happened

[carmine locust]

He’s definitely compromised then. Remember that scene when Harcourt calls him “General”and then corrects herself to “Rick”? And he wasn’t even bothered.

Emilia is also suspicious

This scene

[heavy oracle]

I noticed that scene very clearly

but i just dont buy that he's someone else

[opal ocean]

https://x.com/DEADLINE/status/1976640561122619704?t=J2EZcEjy55dhByflkBlJwQ&s=19

Deadline (@DEADLINE)

The Season 2 finale of #Peacemaker just dropped and it’s end of the road for the series, for now, at least, according to James Gunn.

Gunn, showrunner, writer, director and executive producer, spoke with the press ahead of the finale, talking about the end of John Cena's

X · Oct 10, 2025, 1:26 PM

[heavy oracle]

something defo happened between him and lex tho

[cloud pike]

Same here.
If anything, I think the reason why he was kinda beating around the bush was that he wanted to save the big speech for this committee. Nothing else.

[heavy oracle]

yeah

he's definitely lost his humanity

lex's manipulation is the best possibility

gunn's bad writing is a more realistic scenario

[cloud pike]

Speaking of writing I've just learned that James Gunn wrote off Chris brother in the original draft.

He said that Harcourt killed his brother in the first script.

[carmine locust]

Doesn’t seem to be himself. Flag defended Superman in the film and doesn’t seem to hold any grudge with metahumans.

I don’t think Gunn can write so badly.

[heavy oracle]

overconfidence takes you places

but even if you dont believe that, we know that lex is a manipulator

[carmine locust]

How can he suddenly become a douchebag who just listened to whatever Lex said

He’s aware Lex is an evil fuck. Also, the way Flag Sr was celebrating with his colleagues despite his agents died one by one.

Pretty strange innit

[heavy oracle]

it is

very strange

could be anything

my only theories are character "degradation"? or bad writing

its fine if im wrong

but these two feel the most plausible scenarios

[cloud pike]

Btw, do you remember when Harcourt had dinner with Sasha Bordeaux.

She said to Sasha Bordeaux that she is a metahuman.

What kinda superpower does she have?

[opal ocean]

I gotta agree that the Rick I saw before wasn't as uncaring as this episode where many of his people were dying but maybe he justified it by saying it is for the greater purpose. Revenge on Peacemaker makes perfect sense but Why team up with Lex to create this different planet for metahumans?

[heavy oracle]

sasha is a cyborg

[cloud pike]

No way.

[opal ocean]

Who's a metahuman and who's not is not clearly defined imo.. like is Green lantern metahuman??

[heavy oracle]

his powers come from a ring

that can easily come off

[cloud pike]

Wait, so she's not entirely a robot right?

[carmine locust]

She’s a cyborg

[heavy oracle]

no shes not

[cloud pike]

I see

[opal ocean]

So he's a metahuman when his ring is on?

[heavy oracle]

i dont think a definition of metahuman is necessary

its too complicated

and not worth anything

[carmine locust]

People with extraordinary or superhuman abilities are metahumans

GL is definitely one.

[cloud pike]

Worth enough to get jailed in the earth-like dimension.

[heavy oracle]

chris...

its a corrupt system as they said

[cloud pike]

Chris and his helmet!
Puts him in the metahumans category

[heavy oracle]

real

[carmine locust]

Is Eagly a metahuman👀

[heavy oracle]

no he is a metaduck

[cloud pike]

Nice one😄

Look what I found :

[carmine locust]

https://tenor.com/view/t-1000-gif-11239475847774527064

https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1976635000834720072?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

James Gunn says he talked to Ryan Reynolds about Deadpool showing up in the ‘PEACEMAKER’ finale.
︀︀
︀︀“I think we would've had to go through some pretty big hoops”
︀︀
︀︀(Source: bit.ly/3W0vQPH))

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FxTwitter · Oct 10, 2025, 1:04 PM

[heavy oracle]

such a big cameo should be in a movie

[opal ocean]

https://x.com/JamesGunn/status/1976656728587657479?t=D7MdNNniwZFZj1nA8w4lYQ&s=19

James Gunn (@JamesGunn)

This photo hangs in my home. Making Season 2 of #Peacemaker has been the highlight of my creative life and it wouldn’t be that way with each of these folks who I truly love. Haven’t watched it? Watch it now on @StreamOnMax.

X · Oct 10, 2025, 2:31 PM

[heavy oracle]

cena is looking at him in a way holland could never

[cloud pike]

@carmine locust
Imagine a Deadpool movie made by James Gunn.

What do you think?

[carmine locust]

Could probably work

[cloud pike]

Yeah could be a good fit as long as Gunn leaves the floor for Reynolds to write the jokes.

[heavy oracle]

vigilante received no backlash for acting without thought

weird

from chris i mean

[solar meadow]

i mean he knew what auggie was like on earth 1, he knew the top trio were like the face of the nazi movement, and he saw that auggie had john tied up

i feel like he was pretty valid to assume that auggie was a bad guy and needed to be taken out

[coral fog]

Finale was disappointing

Especially for the hype

[coral shadow]

🔥

[zealous dove]

denying the hype is the least dissapointing thing

gunn is prooving he wants to make good cinema

not satisfy urges for cheap entertainment

[zealous dove]

dogshit writing yeah

i get that he blames himself

but vigilante did not exactly care about killing EVERYONE

[terse steppe]

That’s a shame I liked the rest of the season

What a terrible episode

[cloud pike]

Can someone give a exemple of a show with a great finally episode?

I genuinely wanna understand what metric y'all use to measure that.

[coral fog]

Season 1 of peacemaker

[cloud pike]

Based on that metric.
From 0 to 10, what score would you give the finale of season 2?

[rotund fjord]

Thought it was a fitting end for the series. Idk why everyone gets so horny for cameos. Great character work for adabayo, Chris, and “hardcore” in the finale.

[tight patrol]

I honestly didn't want any cameos but I wanted a better ending.

[terse steppe]

It was so boring

Last episode would’ve been a better finale

[rotund fjord]

Having peacemaker kidnapped at the end felt tacked on.

[terse steppe]

Just setup for Man of Tomorrow

From James ‘we don’t do setup’ Gunn

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/XpRllQOS2M0?si=zd_7exiv0PbaDRzV

[coral fog]

7.5

[rotund fjord]

I think a comment in this section makes sens ep 7 feels like finale, ep 8 felt like epilogue tying up ends for 11th street gang char arcs

[coral fog]

I feel like the first half of the episode could’ve been episode 8 then episode 9 with the second half then the official finale with 10

[terse steppe]

Sure

[zealous dove]

hard to rate , peacemaker show is like 5.5/10 for me

[cloud pike]

Do you mean the entire show?
Because, actually I'm asking about the last episode of season 2.

[zealous dove]

yeah i guess

thing is shwo format kinda stops it being from a good cinema

but if it was a movie im sure gunn would make it better

like its straight after guardians

[cloud pike]

@zealous dove

Hmm, interesting.

How funny it is. Because I've just finish watch a podcast where James Gunn said literally the opposite of what you said.

I guess it is a matter of perception.

[zealous dove]

in what sense ?

what do we not agree on

i kid you not its baffling to think Gunn himself would disagree much with me

[cloud pike]

James Gunn said something along the lines of :

Since after he did Guardians 2. he became a better movie maker as to like get out of his comfort zone and allowing himself to improvise on the set. Especially since he made Peacemaker.

[zealous dove]

his magnum opus

was either guardians 1 or 3

[cloud pike]

Wait, I'll find it.

[zealous dove]

vol2 has weakest reviews

[rotund fjord]

Wasn’t peacemaker his passion project though? Sure gaurdians 1-3 are his more popular well received.

[zealous dove]

im saying the best thing he made is guardians

peacemaker is very good for what it is

but idk tv show format means lack of focus

a bit too much going on

and gunn is already a guy who likes having too much

that weakness he has as a filmmaker translated in bold letters to peacemaker

[cloud pike]

James Gunn also added that Guardian 2 was the movie he made based on what he thought the people wanted to see in theaters.

So he respected all the requirements he was assigned then as a director. He wasn't free to do it how he would have like.

That's also funny cause Guardians 2 is my fav movie of his.

[zealous dove]

idk i really really did not like it

guardians 1 id give it a 8/10

its a sci fi masterpiece

2 is like 5/10

3 - i am not sure

i think 1 is still better

but at least a 7/10

[cloud pike]

I'm not even making that stuff up to pissed you off.

But he also said that with Guardians 1,2,3, people don't get attached to character as much as they would with Peacemaker, because movies are short.

But due to tv show format, there is more content to watch, therefore people get attached more with Peacemaker's characters.

[slim hearth]

Seriously they leave us with a cliff hanger like this? I wanted to at least see Flag die

Hoping fora season 3rd

[coral fog]

The fall off is insane, Gunn went from Michael Jackson in his movies to fucking Foxy Shazam 💔

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-reaction-try-not-to-laugh-bruh-speed-gif-15909423665204532371

[cloud pike]

Here I believe it is.
I just don't wanna rewatch the whole thing to get the exact time, but it was around here :

57:33

https://youtu.be/AEOapxVBwqA?si=WZU1o2yPXjizmPDn&t=3440

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/tmURukDA3zQ?si=SLyroQAsans6JfJR

[coral fog]

Another thing

“Fucking my heart in the ass”

Wtf is this episode bro

Like that was so corny

It ruined a perfectly fine multiverse travel scene

[zealous dove]

im not saying you are making it up

[zealous dove]

greatest line of all time

[coral fog]

Like wtf was this

What does that even mean

https://tenor.com/view/doom-not-amused-not-funny-stare-gif-23429088

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/p4tGAc6AVFM?si=rxqmKt1mOV_HLEfb

This hits a little more given the “intervention group” moment in the series finale

[tight patrol]

Just read that big cameo of episode 8 was Foxy Shazam. Whoever said it was a big cameo should have stayed quiet

[rotund fjord]

I’m surprised people would guess that

[cloud pike]

I invite you to watch that segment, starts at : 36:43

https://youtu.be/XpRllQOS2M0?si=X_eJrWycY-EZF2Ap&t=2211

[rose bone]

I'm so fucking confused....what is this?

[main trellis]

heard deadpool was supposed to be in it

[rose bone]

.......

How?

[main trellis]

door way scene

[rose bone]

I mean like

How deadpool isn't owned by DC

Wow.....

This is so sad.

The gun jammed,

[rose bone]

And I liked this season so far, but my god, this was a miss fire

[gray nexus]

love how in the process of trying to avenge his son's death, Sr. essentially ended up undermining the values for which Jr. sacrificed his life for in the first place.

Jr. was against the government abusing the power they have for their own gains, which is now exactly what his father is doing to exact his revenge

[gray nexus]

it is so wild how easy people are fooled these days like how did your ass believe this shit

[rotund fjord]

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/peacemaker-finale-james-gunn-salvation-checkmate-deadpool-cameo-1236545270/

https://www.ign.com/articles/james-gunn-talked-to-ryan-reynolds-about-deadpool-showing-up-in-peacemaker-but-i-think-we-wouldve-had-to-go-through-some-pretty-big-hoops

[gray nexus]

i take it back this one's on me 😭

[inland smelt]

OH SHIIIT

[inland smelt]

So i just finished the finale. obviously, the biggest things that happened was discovering random wierd dimensions ( the zombie one was crazy!), and peacemaker and the gang creating thier won security company as well and ofc the biggest one was peacemaker being prisoned by rick falg snr on taht planet. so based on that ending AND WHICH IS A huge cliffhanger btw, we will wont have a S3 CORRECT? thats james been hinting all along . so wil man of tomorrow will be peacemakers s3 ? ALSO JOHN trying to say jokes was funny asf. espeically the one where that random lady just continues to laugh hard? has he got a secret crush? lmao. i guess we wont ever know . adeybayo trying to cheer UP chris was AWESOME. as for rick snr, i guess it wasnta surprise he was using the guys to discover dimensions even if it mean they dying. savage but its all luthers doing. too bad about no batman or superman making an cameo ( although i doubt that was ever the plan)

[inland smelt]

fr? like what was the musucal part?

[silent bane]

His character in the last episode became more of an office general instead of on the field like in creature commandos or in Superman.

He became what he didint like about Waller, desensitized, as the goal is the greater means to an end.

In a lot of ways the loss of his son created this thought to basically throw these goons in permanent prison. Suicide Squad happened and Waller used Flagg Jr. to be leading it, in a way the whole meta aspect of the story affected the fate of Flagg.

[opal ocean]

Good points ya

[rotund fjord]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8AfFSf4/

[rotund fjord]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8Af3gqr/

[heavy oracle]

this man has been hired by james gunn! get him!

[trim rover]

I may be reading into it too much but I wonder if the conversation with Adrian about the lawyer and him mentioning killing the judge's family is supposed to be a reference to his comic backstory

also side note I like that a lot of Adrian's civilian clothes have stripes kinda like the Vigilante suit especially that one sweater most prominently seen in the intro

[carmine locust]

I think they will eventually kill off Flag Sr and bring back Flag Jr.

It’s a superhero world. Dead characters tend to return most of the time.

[carmine locust]

A Deadpool cameo would be better reserved for a movie than a tv series.

[open peak]

Dude I csnt believe it

Uhhh lex Luthor?

Tbh I agree but I enjoyed the season nonetheless

Nah we arent black lanterns

Rick jr was a good guy

I'm gonna be honest, yeah it was. But overall the season was good

[open peak]

Hes funny at least. 4th favorite right behind adebayo

[open peak]

3 years passing by? Working kn himself? Getting rid of the most negative nazi figure in his life?

[open peak]

No, he still did well the last episode was just a bit meh

[open peak]

Same here

[open peak]

Shes a cyborg? Shes an enhanced human. That qualifies as a meta human

Damn I replied a lot

[carmine locust]

Meh, he’s lame.

[open peak]

Hes the guy in the chair

Hes meant to be lame

Hes a discord mod as a member of the team

Have you seen his shirts?

[slim hearth]

I just now realizing, this season it has nothing to do with peacemaker. Gunn is just building up for his upcoming movies

[carmine locust]

I hope Peacemaker kills Rick Flag Sr as well.

Took out both the father and son.

[slim hearth]

I said the same thing.

[carmine locust]

I know he’s trying to be better, but Flag Sr wants the dude dead and he will eventually have to defend himself.

Yesterday, I stated Flag is probably compromised, but it might not be the case. He has genuinely become corrupt with power.

[slim hearth]

Na. Flag is a villain. How you gonna send someone unwillingly to a different universe. (It’s like that joke: I want to send all the white and black people to an island. The difference is he succeeded lol)

[carmine locust]

Yes, he needs to be brutally murdered.

Either Peacemaker or one of the metahumans will take care of this.

[slim hearth]

I hated that guy ever since the Superman movie. Couldn’t put my finger on it, just a feeling.

https://tenor.com/view/ted-thats-him-there-he-is-ted2-gif-22034374

[carmine locust]

It’s just Frank Grillo playing similar roles. The character is pretty different in Creature Commandos despite being voiced by the same actor.

Maybe has to do with the show being animated.

[slim hearth]

Who? Peacemaker as of right now it’s a standalone show. The only meta, is that cyborg chick

[carmine locust]

Then in Superman and Peacemaker, it’s basically Rumlow/Crossbones.

[carmine locust]

Referring to DCU as whole

[slim hearth]

Hopefully lol. Though he’s no lex or brainiac, the true villains of dc

[slim hearth]

Were you asking or telling

[carmine locust]

Brainiac won’t be the villain in MOT.

Very likely it’s Desaad, and maybe a Darkseid cameo appearance.

[slim hearth]

Oh yeah how could I forget darkseid. Superman nemesis.

[open peak]

Highly doubt jt

They already did darkseid (kinda) in dceu

I doubt Gunn would want to do the same thing so close

[carmine locust]

Doesn’t mean Darkseid won’t ever appear in DCU.

[open peak]

Brainiac just makes so much sense

[carmine locust]

Brainiac doesn’t make any sense because Salvation has to do with the New Gods.

[slim hearth]

But Gunn basically going to rewrite the whole dcu

[open peak]

Ofc not, but you said hed be the villain in mot

[open peak]

Yeah but I doubt hed put darkseid in again so soon

[slim hearth]

True.

[open peak]

They're probably just setting him up, but he wont be very connected to the actual film imo

Like the plotline is there for the future

[carmine locust]

That’s just a rumour spread by fans. Considering MOT is related to Planet Salvation, Darkseid will be involved soon.

For now, it’s probably Desaad.

[slim hearth]

Probably like they did with thanos?

[carmine locust]

Something like that.

[open peak]

Yeah I think so

So why have desaad and then abandon that plotline for a few years?

Brainiac just makes more sense especially with the script cover and lex and superman teaming up

[carmine locust]

Why would they abandon the plot line lol

[open peak]

I mean not use it for awhile

[carmine locust]

How do you know they won’t use it for a awhile?

I don’t know what made people think Brainiac will be the villain. Due to that brain drawing?

It’s probably Gunn trolling

[slim hearth]

We just have to wait and see.
Ps, so I don’t have to look it up, do y’all know what’s coming up, for dc or marvel?

[carmine locust]

Instead, he set up an arc that leads to Final Crisis.

[slim hearth]

Ok nice chatting with you guys. Logging out for now, I just came here to write something that was bugging me.

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-silvio-dante-gif-23933209

[open peak]

I dont but severlt I doubt they would

[cloud pike]

This guy is like :

"I can't do this anymore..."
"I'm sick of this shit."
"I swear to God, If I do one more..."

[heavy oracle]

he did imo 💔

[main trellis]

Sorry what'd u say

[main trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toystory-dance-wink-pose-gif-13828913827523310414

[tight patrol]

If you look at the intro, you'll notice that he noticeably messes up the dance at least 2 times

[trim rover]

now that the season is over, I have a few problems with it

first off the pacing isn't great, some plot points feel like they should've happened earlier, how quickly the other dimension is abandoned, etc.

[hoary raft]

I just wanna say yall real ones for not being brainless simps for a show 😭

[trim rover]

and the ending, I would honestly be fine with it IF this show was more regular

if it was like network TV back in the day where there's usually a year gap between season finales and season premieres, I'd love the ending but with streaming nowadays and longer waits between season especially with the DCU and DC Studios in general having so many projects on the way, it makes the ending a bit more unsatisfying

overall, I think this season has some solid moments, there's some good character writing and development but it is a mixed bag for me

definitely not as airtight as the first season which was more consistent and satisfying

[inland smelt]

Exactly

[inland smelt]

Yea i do . Shes a cyborg. Check her eyes in previous epsiode

[inland smelt]

Kinda is. Didn’t we see her using her powers early in the season

[heavy oracle]

youre saying shes a robot?

[inland smelt]

It was implied. Maybe not fully but maybe mixed

[heavy oracle]

thats a cyborg

[inland smelt]

Yes so she is one no?

Didn’t we see a glimpse of her? Her eyes especially

[silent bane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NuIKHryg7E4?si=t6Gr3KiusI1DQgmo

[heavy oracle]

i did say she was a cyborg

[inland smelt]

U did?

[heavy oracle]

.

[cloud pike]

Yeah, you're right. The old man is missing few steps, haha.

Also, Adebayo seems so exhausted here.
Look the face she makes at : 1:35

https://youtu.be/xS11-GIemXY?si=DwkhCL4XuHyseoYi&t=91

[inland smelt]

Daamm i must had missed it opps

[inland smelt]

My assumption always was that they even faked that aka long breath and all?

The s1 theme song had a similar one but that was hartcourt breathing hard. You could see her doing it through her breasts going up and down

[inland smelt]

I again thought rhat was also acting but i could be wrong

[inland smelt]

@jovial forge

[jovial forge]

Peacemaker community

i just finished the season

had the last 5 minutes been removed it would've been a great show conclusion

now we're left on a so-so cliffhanger and now we've hit the first miss of the dcu

[inland smelt]

ye ssir

[inland smelt]

i mean we all knew rick flagg snr was hell bent on avenging his son and i wasnt suprsed a lot bu that

but yea hug ecliffahnger and now james gunn somehow claims theres no plan for s3. whata. joke

but i know he sai dman of tomorrow will bascialy continue his story

so he pulled off a star wars.. ? andors s3 is basically rouge 1

[jovial forge]

I think cliffhangers can only be done in a very specific way

Otherwise they get tiring

and you have to do it sparingly

avengers infinity war is like the best cliffhanger ever

probably cause the movie was good

Idk im mad

supergirl better be good

[inland smelt]

Hell teah abd since gunn is behind it, it Expecting it to be good

[zealous dove]

i guess i should not defend gunn for e8

too indulgent

[open peak]

Yeah agreed

Ep 8 was a big letdown, but the rest of the season was good

[inland smelt]

YEE,. pretty much the concencus of all fans of the show

not to MENTION THAT HUGE CLIFFHANGER LIKE DA F

but all thing side, i still think its between 3.5 -4 rating episode ou tof 5

[rotund fjord]

Not a fan of the cliff hanger but everything else I loved. It’s a good closure to ending of peacemaker and his crew, within peacemaker s1-2. There is a sense of closure for these characters — aside the ending where peacemaker gets kidnapped.

[open peak]

What if flag is under brainiacs control?

Could set up mot

And explain why hes being an asshole in teh show, as well as him wanting to rid the world of methumans to make it easier to take over?

[inland smelt]

I agree

[rotund fjord]

I’d seen a conspiracy on what if flag is Clayface. since he didn’t recognize hardcores nickname/ the phrase he prefers to be called.

[inland smelt]

nothing points that out

[inland smelt]

u mean hartcourt?

[silent bane]

https://youtu.be/wce2i7KeKwg?si=O7Av5qEk8_N3Q51q

I can’t get enough of these edits

Season 2 intro won me over, it’s way better than the first season.

The Qui-Gon clip was perfect

Is it weird to say.

Season 2 finale felt like Twin Peaks Season 2 finale.

Big cliffhanger but in a way it’s a happy ending.

[opal ocean]

Not for Peacemaker

[silent bane]

Oh of course not.

That’s why I say Twin Peaks like

It’s like a blue balls finale

Actually more accurate

Is the finale of The Return

[opal ocean]

But it was a happy ending before that and btw, I heard Gunn say Lanterns is gonna follow up Peacemaker season 2. So does that mean they are gonna investigate disappearance of metahumans ?

[silent bane]

And the episode before that one where it felt like there was closure from a plot line that took 30 years to finally end.

[silent bane]

Oh actually that would be interesting.

Does the Lantern Corp sense injustice? Or is it solely the eyes of the Lantern users discretion?

[opal ocean]

Ya but again just a guess

[opal ocean]

I think each lantern has a discretion on what is injustice or not

[silent bane]

Makes sense

[opal ocean]

That maybe part of the story or it could be another one entirely.. a trailer can give us a hint

I'm excited for the show.. First DCU project not written by Gunn as well

[silent bane]

I was thinking for Man of Tomorrow that Lex will end up in the Salvation planet which would lead to Batman Brave and the Bold’s ending throwing Joker in there too.

[opal ocean]

But Lex helped Rick Sr to find that planet, so I doubt it will happen.

But planet salvation is gonna be a interesting place and we may see a lot of DC characters there

[silent bane]

I haven’t read Salvation comics but by the look of it, it seems like it’ll lead to the major villains trying to get out.

[silent bane]

Oh yea, I just think Flagg would get cocky with the thought of the villains and metas not being able to get out.

Because Flagg so far looks like he’s over his head with the power corruption taking place in the last episode.

[opal ocean]

I agree

[silent bane]

Also after the braniac take down, Lex might be inclined to get at Superman and somehow is stopped and sentence to Salvation planet as a way to get rid of him for Superman and to also be a less of a headache for Flagg.

[opal ocean]

We may see that happen at end of man of tomorrow.

This planet will definitely be a part of man of tomorrow storyline

[silent bane]

I’m specifically referring to Lex being there because he was in the cover of one of the issues and if there’s any smart villains that can make the tech possible, it’s him!

[opal ocean]

That's true

[silent bane]

I’m excited if it teases my boy

https://tenor.com/view/jcsoos-gif-21682697

[opal ocean]

That would be really interesting

[silent bane]

And if it leads to Final Crisis

I can’t even imagine how they can tackle that.

[opal ocean]

I'm sure Gunn has a plan, he has said Lanterns will give a pretty big hint. Let's see.

[silent bane]

I will say, as neat as it is to have continuity, it’s kinda disappointing we’re having elements of each project affect one another a bit too closely. But at the same time I can see how they can work separately.

[opal ocean]

That's absolutely a huge challenge and MCU suffered from that, you simply can't have a situation where people have to watch TV shows to understand movies. I'm sure Gunn understands, a Easter egg here and there is fine.

We still don't know full story of man of tomorrow, maybe the disappearance of metahumans is gonna be something that Lois looks into while we have another story as well. Let's see.

[silent bane]

Yea. I want to show newcomers of DC or even family who like the classic trinity without having to answer for all the events before then.

[opal ocean]

Ya, that's the way to go plus Peacemaker is a adult show.. you can't show kids this show.

[silent bane]

In a way Peacemaker is isolated from Suicide Squad and makes sense in the context of its story why he wishes to change. Creature Commandos references Waller’s controversy while also addressing the meta jail which also indiscriminately incarcerates any creature.

[silent bane]

Not even Creature Commandos or Suicide Squad.

[opal ocean]

Yes

[silent bane]

Nor the Clayface movie

Since that will be rated R

I wonder how they’ll get from the Origin story to him playing MK1 while Flagg Sr. tries to flee.

Also what convenient timing that Maggie Gyllenhaal has her The Bride movie coming out and it’s distributed by Warner Bros.

[marsh brook]

Might be different clayfaces

[silent bane]

Was there ever 2 clay faces?

[opal ocean]

MK1 being mortal kombat 1?

[silent bane]

Yea he was playing that in CC

[opal ocean]

Who ?

[marsh brook]

There’s like 5 I think I saw

[silent bane]

Creature Commandos

After Rick finds the dead archeologist professor.

[opal ocean]

Oh yes.. I forgot.

[silent bane]

Clay goes in while Rick and Frank hide and Clay plays MK1

[rose bone]

You’re what that was that was legit James gun not being told no by anyone else in the room

[silent bane]

https://tenor.com/view/starting-to-play-games-aisla-macpherson-creature-commandos-activating-the-game-powering-on-the-game-gif-1736598483126856429

[opal ocean]

Clayface was brutal in that show

[rose bone]

And I’m gonna go ahead and say I think like this last episode really shows a problem I have with James Gunn with James gun he lets his personal favoritism inform so much of his decision-making

[silent bane]

It’s odd I said it above but it felt like watching Twin Peaks the Return.

[rose bone]

Now James always makes up for it because a lot of the time it’s really fucking good and he makes an effort to justify having his favorites in the front seat

[silent bane]

Episode 7 was the finale. Episode 8 is epilogue/ set up

[rose bone]

Bad move

Imo

[silent bane]

Unlike Twin Peaks the finale. It ends in ambiguity

[rose bone]

OH WHAT MANDI WHATS UPP

[silent bane]

Cooper looks at your soul as the credits scroll and the screen fades from black to his face.

Then says

[rose bone]

I haven’t heard from you in a while

[silent bane]

WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM in slo mo.

[silent bane]

Might be the other Mando.

Unless you changed your name

[inland smelt]

What

[silent bane]

https://tenor.com/view/philip-jeffries-twin-peaks-we-live-inside-a-dream-fire-walk-with-me-gif-9237020786724811566

[carmine locust]

https://tenor.com/view/twin-peaks-dale-cooper-kyle-gif-7961851

[silent bane]

I took it back

[carmine locust]

Twin Peaks S2 finale was peak though.

[silent bane]

More like The Return

Because thinking about it The Return ends the same way.

[carmine locust]

It’s a shame David Lynch couldn’t complete it.

[silent bane]

The episode prior is a satisfying conclusion for Laura Palmer, the final episode ends with “WAIT WHAT YEAR IS IT?!”

Then blackout

Like what

It hurts too, considering how it leaves you hanging.

Honestly this ending is the same feeling I got watching Peacemaker finale.

https://youtu.be/R36ww3q7nqE?si=ldR3sv-hb6lThCQN

I should say spoilers.

please WATCH TWIN PEAKS if you haven’t seen it!!!

[carmine locust]

I have already watched it multiple times. It’s one of my favourite shows.

[silent bane]

SAME

I think Fire Walk With Me is my personal favorite Lynch movie

Every time I watch Laura Palmer’s plight, I can’t help but just feel so sorry for her. She always felt like a real person, Sheryl Lee is severely underrated.

[rotund fjord]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8A5s7y5/

[cloud pike]

Rick Sr. share his feeling about the dance sequence :

https://youtu.be/G7RCTk2VWUo?si=wswbdHSd5cfVNOk0&t=1670

[rose bone]

Sorry, sometimes I use text to speech and ends up being a word salad. But I was trying to say is that James Gunn needs to understand that not every single thing he comes up with is automatically a good idea

[inland smelt]

OH ok. True that

[inland smelt]

Niice. Will check it oht

[plucky sandal]

Ok i saw the finale

I loved it

[zealous dove]

didnt he say he was amazing and other people sucked lol

[zealous dove]

lmao its like

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbL-mK7ngkHJvx43TNsHUzYdtW9gEzFUHmfg&s

BEST SHOTS EVER ARE FROM THAT SEQUENCE

I DID NOT GIVE A SHIT

[plucky sandal]

Honestly i dont think he gives a shit

Mans always known he would have to direct a scene like this after he set up the romance between them in season 1 so like yeah

[cloud pike]

Yeah^^

That has to be his way to cope with the fact that he's a very bad dancer.
I love that he admits that even the choreographer lied to him, saying that he was a good dancer, haha.

But that dance is so cringey though 😆

[rotund fjord]

😭😭😭

[open peak]

So real

[open peak]

Sadly yeah

[open peak]

They love each other and that much is evident, besides james has nothing to worry about, john is a stand up guy

[inland smelt]

but we are nto getting a season 3

seems man of tomorrow will just pick up after peaacemaker s2 finale... so taht ending with chris in that jail is a cliffhanger . but i guess MOT will answer whatever questions we have

[heavy oracle]

james sequelbaiter gunn

[rose bone]

I’m sorry, but this is the most bullshit argument out here, bro.

I mean, you have an entire show that draws and most premise from utilizing the action scenes scene in the shot are so far if they want to do something more tone down that’s fine, but that doesn’t excuse, dragging out the pacing and the arcs we’ve built up to so far

It’s also not like you can’t do both, Guardians 1-3, Peacemaker S1, etc. But sit here and say this is character development when there’s a three minute fucking scene of Foxy Shazam just doing a concert I’m sorry I think you’re just blindly praising this guy.

It spends the first 50 minutes already establishing something we already fucking knew and that was completely unnecessary. Nothing about our prior information about what happened between peacemaker and harlot changed after episode 8

[open peak]

I said the finale was bad

The rest of the season is pretty good

[rotund fjord]

That darn James Gunn hijacked his final episode to film concerts!…
Oh no three minutes out of a 50-minute episode are dedicated to a song used a song for musical reprise, relevant to the characters and the season, while those same characters are on screen doing relevant things during the closing part of the ep, with multiple intercuts… truly the end of James Gunn dc as we know it. THE GUNN HAS JAMMED 😭

Tbf it’s not three straight minutes of the band on screen, the sequence is intercut with meaningful moments. This whole “concert scene” complaint is overblown. It’s reminiscent of Guardians 3’s “Dog Days Are Over” moment, visual catharsis through music rather than straight exposition.

“But sit here and say this is character development when there’s a three minute fucking scene of Foxy Shazam just doing a concert I’m sorry I think you’re just blindly praising this guy.” dawg these are not mutually exclusive, a concert doesn’t prevent it from also serving as being used for character development? 😭
Also this just don’t hold up. Music has always been part of James Gunn’s story telling and emotional language. Whether one likes the season or not, the reuse of “Oh Lord” and the deliberate pacing choices serve the narrative’s thematic end, they’re not arbitrary indulgences, even if Gunn happens to like the band.

The Harcourt and Chris subplot is reframed in the finale. We finally see what caused her to pull away, something the show had only implied until now. Sure it’s obvious but there is also a subversion in them not hooking up which is what many thought had happened that night instead it’s a tender moment.

Episode 7 was the climax of the season, that’s where Chris’s character broke. Episode 8 is the falling action and resolution, focusing on mending the trauma and closing out emotional arcs. Expecting “guns-blazing” chaos after that is misunderstanding of structural intent.

The pacing? That’s subjective. I agree this season is slower than Season 1, but that’s because it’s more introspective, less about fireworks, more about fallout and delving deep into Chris’s, Harcourt issues, Chris insecurities, his want for something more.

Other characters also get closure — Adebayo’s reconciliation, Eagly and Ecanomos… Ecanamos not being a dick, Rick Flag Sr…etc, Rick flags sr side hoe. It’s quieter, but it’s satisfying if you zoom out and see how the season flows.

Honestly, most of the disappointment feels like expectation whiplash — Gunn hyped up the final three episodes, so people assumed “huge” meant nonstop action, cameos, or shit that would drive the over all story of gunns dcu forward faster. Instead, we got emotional payoff and reflection which, frankly, is the smarter choice for this story given the direction Gunn chose to take this series.

Def not the greatest tv show ever, but it’s a solid superhero tv show character study on Chris and what makes him tick.

[heavy oracle]

i rarely appreciate james gunn's usage of music

[plucky sandal]

And im fine with that

I think chris is coming back in future projects so im hyped to see wtf they do w him

[plucky sandal]

Who the fuck is adrian going to be besties with now

[rose bone]

Buddy, did you actually just strawman my argument? I’m not saying that the beer featuring of a seem like that is automatically bad. I am saying it is indicative of a massive pacing issue and the larger problems of favoritism in his work, it is absolutely an arbitrary indulgence. My main point is that its application feels more like an indulgence than a purposeful attempt to underline a theme/ message. The guardians example I agree is a perfect example of James using his personal taste in music to enhance a story, especially with a song that emotionally resonates so well with the themes of that particular narrative. However, it’s not like guardians come complete halt in the middle from time to have a scene that is a long concert, the music compliments, the story, themes, and atmosphere it does not overtake it. Now I’d like to reiterate my point was that the episode feels like an unnecessary extension of themes that have already been explored and reestablishing plot points that we were already fully aware of. Once again, why we need a whole episode hyper specifying what happened between him and hard-core when this entire season has established their dynamic of their relationship without showing this flashback that takes bulk of this episode. This isn’t character development. This is backtracking. It’s redundant asf

[zealous dove]

"boat" thing could have taken 2 minutes of the show time

and be just as impactful

i mean id rather delete adebayo

i did not understand a reason she was in season 2

other than being a black person to be chased in a nazi altenratvive us

modern american filmmakers are either conditioned into making everything into a race thing or actually forced by the studios to maintain some racial discussion in their high budget commercial products

also i really did not care about her relationship

because her relationships was a backgound thing for the plot , it was not even a subplot just kinda there

no matter how well she acts out any emotional scene - character is still absolutely useless lmao

[hoary raft]

Yeah idk why we spent screentime on that either

Its like if we got a random scene where Economos visits his father's grave to finally make amends.... like where the fuck did that come from

[hoary raft]

The thing is its so bad they unintentionally make people anti dei or whatever

Like if adrian was gay and economos was black but otherwise kept them as was its fine

Whereas ads' scenes were just fucking bad

Randomly shows up to give some motivational speech or therapy session to move the plot along

But she's black, fat and gay so audiences go aw fuck that

Disney type shit

[zealous dove]

no frankly ur overdoing ti

she was useless as a character in season 2 , as if gunn tried hard to create a reason for her to still be there

but he also did not push her being "black, fat and gay"

[hoary raft]

He might have, and I've seen online the reactions were slopping on the show for a character being those things

Which wasnt their fault, had they just not been a poor character from a script stand point

[zealous dove]

it was done in a way , that yes she had these traits, but there were not defining

like gunn did not err in writing there

[hoary raft]

Idk I felt the wife scene was him attempting to make it defining, in a sloppy way

[zealous dove]

though yeah no way she outruns a fit racist man lmao

but that sequence was cartoonish anyway

wife scene was not about sexuality

[hoary raft]

No that scene was aight, nazis acting like zombies as an ep ending

[zealous dove]

it was about gunn being pretencous

trying to include another HEARTFELT and emotional scene just for the sake of it

so he raises his hands up and says ABSOLUTE CINEMA to himself

[hoary raft]

Which came outta fucking nowhere

Wife's first and last scenes are the same, introduction, conflict and resolution in the span of 5 min

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-your-dog-dog-just-died-dog-died-kevin-dog-died-gif-26100889

[zealous dove]

yeah last episode was indulgent

90% of material is what gunn wanted personally

not viewers and not what the show needed

[hoary raft]

The nazi world was resolved pretty quickly despite how built up it was

Portals, nazi world with living family, uh john and harcourt maybe

I dont think any of those actual plotlines were resolved satisfyingly

[inland smelt]

Ywa man if tomorrow

[zealous dove]

idk i liked how swiftly it was done

there is no doing anything to his world

but vigilante exucuted his father and almost killed keith

that was very satisfying from plot perspective

Keith , miraculously , survives and now he is completely justified to seek revenge

For himself and his father and his brother

thats great writing

if i was gunn, i would focus season 3 on vigilante becoming less grounded in reality

keith coming back

[hoary raft]

Yeah I mean peacemaker doing a 180 when he finds out everyone is hitler was funny and in character but idk maybe more time where they have to fight their way out kinda thing

like the hitler mural was a good gag

[inland smelt]

It was so funny

Chris claims of not noticing anything was typical chris

[carmine locust]

Imagine if Keith accidentally stumbles upon Salvation, Peacemaker’s screwed.

I do think he will get some sort of redemption arc. My theory is that Chris 2’s influence made him a Nazi.

[zealous dove]

he aint shit without costume

so depends on how he finds him

[carmine locust]

I mean it’s pretty obvious Keith is a highly skilled fighter too.

That suit gives him an edge

Flag Sr will never forgive Chris. That character will meet his end soon. Maybe Keith kills him?

[zealous dove]

idk to answer all of that we need season 3

and we wont get it

[carmine locust]

This will probably be answered in Man of Tomorrow.

[hoary raft]

I dont really know how he fucked it up that bad

Cause like

GOTG series had really good moments and pay offs

Or emotionally driven scenes

But the new superman and this finale didnt do it for me

[zealous dove]

peacemaker will get as much screen time as last time

personally i dobut all of a sudden he is the main character of a superman movie lol

[hoary raft]

He should cast john cena as general zodd

[tight patrol]

???

[carmine locust]

He won’t be, but I doubt Peacemaker will just have a cameo.

[inland smelt]

i agree and its unfornuate, that man of tomorrow will asnwer these questions

[gloomy willow]

Is it just me or was S2 a pretty big downgrade

Still a great show, but season 1 was probably my favorite show or movie to come out of DC comics

This season felt more like wrapping up things from Superman and setting things up for other shows and movies, and like half the gags just felt like the same thing Rick and Morty has been doing for like 6 years

The season finale didn't have any sense of finality or any real defining moments outside of Chris' personal relationship with Harcourt

The alternate dimension of nazis didn't seem to matter at all and was just like, a quirky scenario. It couldve been something else totally and it wouldnt have made a difference

[open peak]

I think it was good (finale excluded) but s1 was def better imo

[gloomy willow]

yeah Im not saying its bad, just... S1 blew me away

this was just "good"

felt disjointed and aside from Peacemaker's arc with his relationships with other people and is alternate universe family, it didnt really go anywhere

Im assuming his brother will be a major villain later but Argus entire plan being... "we'll just do exactly what you already saw in Superman, lol" was very lame

multi verse and alternate dimension stuff is so played out and boring now

[inland smelt]

did you read the comics? so what in your opinion should they have done? Yea the finale was a cliffhanger and the nazi storyline was quickly thing which i agree and seems gunn always wanted to set up of man of tomorrow . I would have prefered a third season but we are not getting that unfortunately

[silent bane]

Yea the budget seemed smaller

Considering what was discussed about behind the scenes for the Luther, and final episode being filmed alongside the other lot that had Superman was a clue in on the budget. I just want to see those financials.

[gloomy willow]

Nah I don't read superhero comics

[inland smelt]

Say word

[gloomy willow]

word

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/g7k80zLny6U?si=AngH3UfzSJIP8XU7

https://youtu.be/-1un59fCEdQ?si=VldpDQ_Z6Izv3VO4

[zealous dove]

idk that video was shit

but maybe drinker somehow knows whats up

he claims that commercially its on the last breath

[gloomy willow]

Critical Drinker sucks ass

whiny man baby with this "cool" cynical persona of a guy with sunglasses swilling whisky but all he does is complain like a basement dweller about dumb shit

[vagrant terrace]

I hate him lol

[zealous dove]

i like drinker

he is funny

his channel is comedy not serious movie reviewing

[gloomy willow]

I cant take anybody seriously who whinges about "woke" in media

[zealous dove]

why not

there are some valid points

what the fuck is ghost busters remake

[gloomy willow]

Its a bad movie because its a bad movie, not because it has overweight women characters

[zealous dove]

i dont want any actor to be cast because of personal traits

only quality of acting

[gloomy willow]

its lazy criticisms meant to tickle the rage bait brains of terminally online weirdos

[zealous dove]

some people are cast unfairly

due to being a minority

this shit is similar for uni admission process which was a thing for ages

some cases you have to admit the things that are going on

are delusions of rich elites

[gloomy willow]

Do you really think the casting director of Ghostbusters 3 was like "We were going to cast a strong white male as the lead but thats not politically correct, so we hired Kristen Wiig instead, despite her being less talented, because she has a uterus"

[zealous dove]

i will cast best person for the job

[gloomy willow]

Not what I asked

[zealous dove]

is the correct guiding principle

[zealous dove]

this statement is loads of nonsense

i dont wanna read it

[gloomy willow]

You do you

[zealous dove]

there are instances

where "woke" is a thing

i honestly do not remember that many

because i dont actively fish

for things to latch onto

[rotund fjord]

I think a lot of folks that consume his content think he is a serious critic,there are folks that take it as satire but he’s found a massive audience w/people that are “anti diversity”…etc. Take his recent review of OBAA which had some bat shit takes on the film.

In alot of his group videos w/nerdotic…etc they can come off as the “all knowing arbiters of good writing, filmmaking”…etc

[rotund fjord]

This

[gloomy willow]

I dont like critics using thought-terminating political cliche buzzwords. Even if I agreed with the intend, its lazy

[rotund fjord]

any university doing so would be doing something that is illegal. Hiring people on basis of ethnicity is not what DEI is

[gloomy willow]

might as well be like "Annie Hall is communism"

Its meaningless and only there to throw a bone to a specific crowd obsessed with their political grievance

[rotund fjord]

Oh I misread, I thought you’d meant employment.

[inland smelt]

lol was an expression

[gloomy willow]

WORD UP

[inland smelt]

WORD DOWN

[gloomy willow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[silent bane]

Drinker’s word is confirmation bias. Watch his movie in concept, it’s just sad.

[carmine locust]

S2 wasn’t a downgrade to S1. It’s better.

[rotund fjord]

Oh you liked it more? What did you enjoy more about s2 over s1

[carmine locust]

I found the acting and writing better in S2.

It was also more interesting.

[cloud pike]

If I get this right. Everybody was expecting a superhero cameo on the last episode. Like in season1.

But James Gunn never said it will be a superhero. In fact, the Cameo was the music band from the opening dance song.

Just consider episode 7 as the real end, and episode 8 a bonus.

[carmine locust]

Doesn’t change the fact it was a disappointing cameo.

The finale already had one band performance at the beginning; adding another one felt like a stretch.

[cloud pike]

Personally, I wasn't even aware of what James Gunn said, so I wasn't expecting anything. That's probably why this ending didn't bother me that much.

Okay the last episode wasn't that great, but overall season 2 was funnier than the previous.

Isn't it what matters the most?

And, to be honest, if you remove the cameos in the last episode of Season 1, that does not make the whole season any worse.

[silent bane]

I agree

[silent bane]

I honestly didn’t mind it.

It opened up to more of the world building of the DCU. My only gripe is what James assured viewers that these stories can be independently viewed at and you’d be fine… doesn’t look like it for Lex or Rick.

[cloud pike]

the way Judomaster take that with a straight face, haha

[cloud pike]

I'm glad Langston Fleury & sasha bordeaux are now officially part of the good guys.

I can't wait to see Langston and Judomaster roast each other.

[silent bane]

Same here! I love Tim in this and Prime Eagle reveal. This season has a lot of sprinkled great moments.

[rotund fjord]

Likewise, preferred it to Superman 2025, and s1, this felt like more of deep dive on characters

There are were intriguing themes at play between Rick Flag Sr. and Peacemaker, especially in how they’re drawn into extremism. Rick Flag Sr. finds validation among Lex Luthor’s anti-meta gang— even though initially he’s appears more moderate, it’s reminiscent of real-world radicalization. Also it’s like gun meant it to be a parallel of Earth-X’s imprisonment of minorities.

While Flag becomes entrenched/complacent in this “racist” ideology, Peacemaker is someone who could have gone down that pipeline ignoring the signs around him but had friends and support system that is there for him and snapped him outa earth x.

[zealous dove]

thats cuz he dominated peacemaker

who is small between them two if judomaster just beat the shit out of him

[open peak]

Acting was def even better but writing I'd say I agree except for the finalr

[open peak]

I think he confirmed the cameos were meant to be checkmate and salvation

[inland smelt]

were WE though? JG was maybe teasing it BUT NEVER said it WILL happen

[inland smelt]

yea the band scene was meh for sure

[coral fog]

But how are they cameos when they’re already in the show

Talking about checkmate

[tight patrol]

Those aren't really cameos though. I was really let down by the last episode. I'm glad that I still have Gen V to watch. Even though there is only 1 episode left

[open peak]

Ehh most people think cameo as in character

I think that's why, and yeah that is the meaning of cameo

I think james Gunn wouldve been better off if he didnt say anything

[tight patrol]

I agree

[open peak]

He got everyone excited and then that made expectations wayyy too high

[inland smelt]

Finale was over a week ago and we are still complaining? Get over it

[tight patrol]

It's a free world. We are allowed to share our thoughts. Personally, I'm saddened by the fact that I don't have anything to watch now on a Friday morning

[inland smelt]

Thats true. Just disappointed we wont get a s3 and will have to wai for
Man if tomorrow

But i trust james gunn so

[rotund fjord]

Maybe we get more peacemaker in creature commandos s2?

[inland smelt]

hell yeah. definitely

[tight patrol]

Is Season 2 announced?

[plucky sandal]

Honestly idk why people are so pissed about the end of season 2, its a pretty great ending all things considered

We already had the climax with chris realizing how hard he fucks everything around him, this episode did some incredible developement of the dcu in general with introducing the prison realm aswell as revealing wtf happened on the boat and giving peacemaker some down time to heal a bit before hes chucked right into another fucked up situation

[zealous dove]

i am not pissed personally

but it was kinda bad

i tried to defend gunn but points people make about last episode are undeniable

so i had to let go of this

[plucky sandal]

what are the points

[zealous dove]

about overall implications of the episode

self indulgent boring

not really addressing what happened a day ago

instead focusing on two weeks

two songs performed for no reason

[plucky sandal]

the whole nazi fiasco?

honestly im confused on how the hell chris dosent hate vigilante atp

[zealous dove]

yeah that seems weird

[plucky sandal]

honestly idm them not addressing it since we sort of got the gist of the aftermath with the whole earth x raid and shit

[zealous dove]

i thought there will be a scene where they confront each other

in fact i was thinking s2 is setting up vigilante to be an antagonist of s3

he is somehow manageable because he has a delusion of being bffs with peacemaker and being a hero

but what if he stops thinking that

[plucky sandal]

yeah i think he will be a villain later on

mans already basically a serial killer

[zealous dove]

nah gunn wont cuz he wants humour

yeah it was kinda really grim that when keith was taken down he actually stabbed him lol

[plucky sandal]

no but like gunns established that hes a psychopath

like he kills people for tagging walls

[zealous dove]

well no viewer has any delusions after episode 7

he managed to kill or try to kill every single person in the house not from his team

would go for every argus agent too but was stopped

[plucky sandal]

plus he wanted to kill the judge and his family

[zealous dove]

that was played off as a kinda joke

tbh irl Keith would have died

[plucky sandal]

nah man was fucked since season 1

[zealous dove]

that was like 2 stabs in teh stomach

but you know in season 1 gunn kinda does justify him

[plucky sandal]

the monologue where hes telling peacemaker that he enjoys brutally killing people is

yeah

[zealous dove]

like how family really were monsters

[zealous dove]

yeah that one is no jsutification

he straight up said i love killing

[plucky sandal]

brutally too

bro the mental image of him just slowly murdering a guy for tagging a wall is

yeah nah thats some art the clown shit

well now we gotta wait for all the other dc shit to drop to know where peacemaker goes from here

same with the rest of the cast

[zealous dove]

yeah but we did not get any of that petty murder in the show

people he killed he had very believable reasons to kill in front of the viewers

[cloud pike]

Yeah, I believe so.

[cloud pike]

Totally agree 😄

[cloud pike]

That's right, I have to watch season 1.

[inland smelt]

The commandos?, yes me too

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/Ea02rmgoO4Q?si=d8WgJvJSnohR_mbW

[silent bane]

He gets too trigger happy typing up all his thoughts online and when backlash happens he keeps compensating in his appearances.

I like Gunn’s work so far but he has to just ignore any online discourse that is just trolling the guy. It isn’t productive and also it looks bad on him when he’s on his podcast saying, “the dance (S1 intro) had millions of hits on TikTok” or saying any decision garnering money or attention such as Superman VOD.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care if he doesn’t speak a concrete plan/truth but it is annoying how much cannon fodder he feeds to any “critic” of Gunn.

[silent bane]

Most likely he’ll appear at the end of Man of Tomorrow, somehow Lex will try to get his way against Superman and will be kicked to Salvation.

I’m just speculating based on what was known of what Lex could do in Red Son Superman and the fact he’s in a cover of Salvation planet in which he tries to jump multiverses to get back with the villain posse.

[solar meadow]

that would make a lot of sense, i can't see superman and lex's team-up lasting long or ending well

[rotund fjord]

https://youtu.be/hXOKOQr0oWQ?si=gtdaRxRg9UDohb5u

[rose bone]

Wait, when you say, red sense man, do you mean like red sun as in like the communist, Superman or red sun in terms of red zone exposure?

[silent bane]

Red Son Superman the comic. In the comic Lex and Superman fight brainiac. Superman was the muscle while Lex handled the tech/brains while also beating Superman in wit with his singular sentence.

It showcases exactly how capable Lex is of just using words vs Superman’s strength to get Supes to give up and falsely die.

[rose bone]

Oh

[opal ocean]

Gunn is doing interviews with multiple DC content creators which is quite good actually, gotta listen to those.

[silent bane]

Yea I don’t mind this at all, I actually wish marvel had that exposure early on to talk about the story telling process of the saga.

Yet again this side of publicity wasn’t exactly as available, Gunn understands the assignment.

[opal ocean]

Yes he does

[silent bane]

I also heard some guy wants to buy WB?

I’m not sure what that entails but apparently it ties to Gunn somehow and how his contract can essentially go away if it does happen? It would be the next big dumb thing to happen to WB if that’s the case…

[opal ocean]

WB is officially for sale yes. Once that happens I do hope they let Gunn stay rather than another reset.

[silent bane]

Yea at this point not investing in the DCU while it’s hot would be a waste.

[opal ocean]

You gotta give DCU under Gunn at least a few more years imo like Superman did relatively well and was loved by many. Many other projects are coming.

[opal ocean]

Absolutely. Let's hope they aren't that dumb.

[silent bane]

I’ve been sold since The Suicide Squad to be honest

Every project that came out is consistently neat. Not Dark Knight levels of crazy but I didn’t ask it to be that.

Superman might unironically be my favorite film of the year.

It genuinely made me excited for what’s to come, and Cornswet is the best iteration I have seen of Superman (disclaimer: haven’t seen Reeves’ Superman the Movie).

[opal ocean]

I agree

BTW

https://youtu.be/IepATUmLbRc?si=sToYIhNI9PjIvaA5

[carmine locust]

The thing is, in the mainstream universe, Superman is actually smarter than Lex. He possess superhuman intelligence and has outwitted Lex many times. In DCU, Clark is pretty intelligent which was evident in the final battle.

[zealous dove]

bro thats actually lame

idk he is literally perfect

in gunns movie there is at least a semi developed idea of man trying to become independent from god

but if that was superman it would be pointless

[carmine locust]

Superman is Godlike, but he has his own problems.

[zealous dove]

as in he is already a living god

in a way he is portrayed

even gunn shows him as benevolent , omnipotent beeing

i dont think making superman even more perfect

is the way to go

[carmine locust]

Superman in DCU is not really that powerful. He’s nerfed and we see him get beaten up.

[zealous dove]

because he is actively trying to save his opponents

though if gunn was not that immature he would have stayed consistent

for example scene with hisclone was awful

[carmine locust]

So Superman should be portrayed as an idiot? He has always been very intelligent.

[zealous dove]

clone was used and he beat the shit out of him and threw him into a black hole

not idiot

but not literal smartest guy around

it takes away any agency

when he is in the scene

because he is litearlly a god

all knowing

[carmine locust]

He had to outsmart the clone in order to beat him. He didn’t really beat the shit out of him.

[zealous dove]

all powerful

and strictly on a moral highground

[zealous dove]

why did not he save him

[carmine locust]

Superman is a God.

[zealous dove]

he needed help

[carmine locust]

Idk what to tell you

Gods can be complex

[zealous dove]

to stop him from being a christian god he needs to have some faults

if gunn was smarter this scene would have been either better explored or more emotionalyl charged

like showing him make the unthinkable decision and snuff the life out of hte clone

but it was dumb

that it was not adressed from any moralistic perspective

[carmine locust]

The same Christian God who was crucified.

Yeah

Not really perfect.

[zealous dove]

w/e but id rather him not being super smart and super powerful

clone scene really irked me when i saw the movie

[carmine locust]

Like I’ve said, Superman doesn’t have to be nerfed to be interesting.

[zealous dove]

if is smarter than Luther

why do i care about the villian

he is jsut obviously wrong

[carmine locust]

Except he is.

[zealous dove]

in the movie

he had a point

at least on some level