📺The Acolyte

[limpid plank]

Wanna guess who the sith is

[wild ginkgo]

It's the posion guy

Because who'd else it'd be?

The mom?

[limpid plank]

Holy fuck whenever they talk my man

Yeah it’s the poison guy 🤣

Thank Christ Yord is dead

Couldn’t stand that fucker seriously

God this dialogue is so bloody awful

So can someone please explain two things

Why the fuck didn’t they arrest the Sith

And if Mae wants to turn Osha against the Jedi, why not TELL HER what they did instead of speaking vaguely (well I know why because the writers only want to reveal that later but it makes no sense from a character motivation standpoint)

[stuck widget]

Honestly I liked this more than Ep 4 for suuure

Ep 4 had the badbadbad "im gonna turn myself in" moment that made no sense for Mae

[limpid plank]

Oh it’s definitely better but there’s still a lot of shit that makes absolutely no sense

Like why Sol wouldn’t arrest Qimir

[devout plank]

What is this.

The fights were nice

[limpid plank]

Then you have Mae switching places w OSHA

How the fuck would Sol not know

[devout plank]

Too bad it’s edited a bit too shite

[limpid plank]

People on Twitter are saying it’s one of the best things SW has ever done

Fucking clowns

[devout plank]

Wait so how is this dude more powerful than these prime force users without being older?

[limpid plank]

But then you have the dialogue scene with Mae and Osha and holy shit is it terrible

It’s definitely the best episode so far

Which isn’t saying much except when characters talk then it goes down the shutter

[devout plank]

Wait

Why did Yord’s sudden attack

Not cause Sol to react

You’d think they would tag team

[limpid plank]

I’m so glad Yord is gone

And Jecki was annoying as fuck too

[devout plank]

I’m honestly shocked this one dude can do more harm than Sidious

[limpid plank]

The fights were sick you gotta admit that

[devout plank]

wtf

Why would they not take him in

What?

wtf

Why Mae tase him?

[limpid plank]

Yeah

Exactly it makes absolutely no sense

Them not taking him in

Well I can actually tell you why

[devout plank]

Also why tase that master

[limpid plank]

Because the show would be over lol

[devout plank]

If the goal is to turn yourself in

wtf is this

I still don’t feel sympathy for this mess of a girl

[limpid plank]

I don’t care about any of the characters

[devout plank]

Wait why would Mae do this

The Jedi will sense her

Okay this is dumb

[limpid plank]

Because they won’t sense her

[devout plank]

To mask your power I thought you need great skill.

Hence Palps

[stuck widget]

i still hate that part lol

like i felt like Mae was consistently written up until that exact point

[tawny zenith]

Sole reason i'm still watching.

[devout plank]

BRUH

THE FARRET ALIEN IS WHO WOULD FIND OUT

BS

28:04

Same note progression of Kylo’s theme

Also f force heal

wtf

[limpid plank]

Is force heal a thing

[devout plank]

[limpid plank]

Or did they just introduce it

[devout plank]

Since Episode 9

Then Mando had it

Technically mando season 1 featured it first as to not look too bizarre when it’s implemented in Episode 9

[stuck widget]

is wookiepedia trustworthy

[devout plank]

Technically

Although they are updating as soon as these episodes air

[devout plank]

Which was the last debacle with this and Ki Adi’s birth discrepancy

[devout plank]

Splinter of the Mind’s Eye was the novel sequel of Star Wars 77’ immediately contradicted with Empire Strikes Back.

I never bother clone wars 3D

[devout plank]

I also think Mortis wasn’t really a real place

It’s like another realm of existence?

It’s the planet with the daughter, son and father

[stuck widget]

Yeah its another realm

[devout plank]

So technically it was never a thing up to Mando

Because if it was the plot holes would be without scrutiny in almost every major character death that isn’t limb or body dismemberment.

[stuck widget]

I remember first seeing it in RoS and that’s it lol

[devout plank]

A lot of people actually. I believe the power is featured in The Old Republic MMO but that’s for gameplay sake.

[limpid plank]

Also Mae is one of the worst written characters in TV

Out of fucking nowhere

She once again changes her mind

And instead of turning herself in

Tries fighting Jecki to the death

[devout plank]

Made it worse for herself too, since she’s weaken Jecki to just die later in the episode.

[stuck widget]

Im genuinely annoyed that the writing for Mae in particular is shaky

I want to love her so much, because badass cute sith girlie, but the writers flubbed her so bad in these later episodes

[devout plank]

Ok now that there is a sole survivor (foreshadowing name) will he be alive to be in the temple?

[limpid plank]

The writers are completely incompetent

I wouldn’t be surprised if they revealed third graders wrote this garbage

The interaction between Osha and Mae

My god

[stuck widget]

Oh well at least Ahsoka had a good badass mercenary girlie for me to love lol

[limpid plank]

The acting abysmal the dialogue no commenta

[stuck widget]

Its such a shame

I wanted this show to be good so bad bexause like I said, i wanted a really well written sith girlie

but instead we get thiiis

Like literally id have come out happy if Mae was the only good thing about it. Wouldn’t have rated it high but still.

But no, they have to make her the most inconsistent character ever

[limpid plank]

I think they proved Leslie Headland is a nobody and Russian Doll only works because Natasha Lyone is involved

[stuck widget]

I had to look that name up im so bad lol

[devout plank]

I really hope that woman doesn’t touch KOTOR

An assistant to the metoo guy getting a show for the whole property of that era…

To even have cast to say, “there is no good or bad in Star Wars” is legitimately gross…

[stuck widget]

Metoo guy?

[limpid plank]

Harvey Weinstein

[stuck widget]

Ah

Wait what okay wow

[void bear]

oh my god i am so surprised by the identity of the sith 😐

you know i will say

im surprised by how ballsy this show is with killing main characters

that is one of the few positive things i have to say lol

[limpid plank]

But why should we care

Like I don’t give a fuck about those characters

So there’s zero emotional weight to it

[void bear]

well that was a total stinker of an episode

[supple tusk]

AYO MY BOY SOL WAS KICKING ASS

Padawan was going in.

Her and mae got crazy grappling skills fr

[void bear]

yeah sol went kinda hard this episode

still not amazing

[devout plank]

Yea she was his personal assistant. She claims for a year but in actuality it’s 4.

https://youtu.be/X-6WBWmoVEY?si=ltAJMCEW6BPHrY8Z

It begins

[stuck widget]

This thumbnail looks like that clickbaity genre but i could be wrong, idk the channel lol

[devout plank]

Oh it is

That’s the point

They were done with Star Wars since 2019

And yet they keep coming back to review some of the shows.

[blissful drift]

one weird lore thing i appreciate, is that the villain is reigniting his saber over and over, which has long been a "why dont they do this in fights" thing that has canonically been waved away as a dishonorable form of lightsaber combat

[tawny zenith]

At least the combat is trying new things.

[blissful drift]

this is the fun thing about stories outside the existing 1-9 saga is its mostly an empty canvas, and theres no real continuity to worry about

like personally, the movie/show im most curious about and want to see is the james mangold "first jedi" one cause it seems like the place where you would have the most possible creative license

give me more scenes like that moment in rise of skywalker when palpatine was personally nuking the whole fleet

[calm night]

The new episode was the best one yet mainly due to the fight scenes which was really good. That Sith guy is super powerful and lots of deaths too, too bad I didn't care for much of those deaths as characters like Jecki weren't fleshed out well. Also, Qimir said to Sol.. you don't remember me?? So was Qimir in that planet with the witches as well?? Also, glad Qimir didn't die by those creatures, would have been lame way to die.

Motivation of Mae is all over the place, first she wants to kill the 4 jedis, then she wants to surrender to the Jedis because Osha is alive.. now she's pretending to be Osha and also left her behind to do what exactly??

[devout plank]

I assume to see for herself what the Jedi were accomplishing in having an established order?

It would also be to kill Sol

Although idk how he can’t sense Osha and Mae are different..

[calm night]

And Mae has a tattoo on her forehead that Osha doesn't

[limpid plank]

Nice catch

I totally forgot about that witch tattoo

[sturdy egret]

I cant believe they paid someone to write this.
They should have paid someone else to read it.

[limpid plank]

@devout plank you want legit SW shills?

Check out fucking IGN rated this ep a 9/10

[devout plank]

I finally saw John Campea’s rant on canon and Ki, it’s as superficial of an argument as he’s making.

[sturdy egret]

canon discussion is nonsense but writing is bad in general
They should add more fight scenes to cover it up like in this episode

[blissful drift]

I thought I recognized this sith dude from somewhere, so it's fucking me up to realize it's jason from the good place

[wild ginkgo]

HAHAHAHSHSHSGSHSHAHAHAHA

HAHAHSHSHSHSGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

86% my fucking ass

This is dog shit

Incredible

In fucking credible

[calm night]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-the-acolyte-episode-5-lightsabers-shutting-down/

[wild ginkgo]

HAHAHAHAHS

LMFAOOO

AINT NO WAY

[calm night]

Legends stuff is Canon now which is cool.. I liked those blocking

[wild ginkgo]

I THOUGHT “there’s no way this show is that dumb to make the poison guy him”

Lo and fucking behold

Some explain to me how this is 85% worthy writing

[calm night]

You knew about cortosis?

[wild ginkgo]

NO SHIT

IIT WAS RHE MOST OBVIOUS SHIT

At first I thought man it’s gotta be a red hairing

But as it went on

[calm night]

I never knew about that and I think vast majority of people who watched the show as well. Not many people have read legends stuff.

[wild ginkgo]

How?

How

It’s the most odvious shit

[calm night]

What do you mean how??

[wild ginkgo]

The way he acts when she talks about the mansion

Mission

“I- I mean the master”

[calm night]

I'm talking about cortosis.

[wild ginkgo]

Let along the rest of the series

[wild ginkgo]

The poison guy?

[calm night]

What?? Cortosis is the metal ore that the Sith qimir used to block lightsaber attacks

[void bear]

brother what

[wild ginkgo]

Oh my bad

[void bear]

the potion guy is qimir

[calm night]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-the-acolyte-episode-5-lightsabers-shutting-down/

[wild ginkgo]

I dont care about the names

[void bear]

cortosis is a metal that makes lightsabers malfunction

[wild ginkgo]

And a bit of legends isn’t gonna fix this dogshit script

Sorry

[void bear]

??? no one is saying it will

[calm night]

Seriously I was confused and ya.. it was pretty clear who that sith was

[wild ginkgo]

Ik I’m just saying

[void bear]

you are arguing with ghosts rn

[calm night]

I'm not saying it is

[wild ginkgo]

Sorry my a bad I misunderstood

[calm night]

Just that it is interesting they made cortosis canon

[void bear]

i think its cool that they made it canon

[calm night]

This was my favorite episode only due to the fights which was fantastic.. the deaths I didn't care for and again I don't know who wrote the stuff with Mae and her motivations.

[wild ginkgo]

The Yord guy?

Everyone was screaming about the representation in this show, and your strong black male dies getting his neck snapped

[calm night]

That and Jeckie.. didn't care for them

[wild ginkgo]

Lucas did more with Mace Windu then did show did with any of these characters

[calm night]

Ya

[wild ginkgo]

I don’t wanna hear that defense ever again ever

Mace windu had more character then any of these people on the show

Goofy as fuck

[limpid plank]

The writing is laughable

They should make this a silent show

[void bear]

the only time this show is good is when no one is speaking

[limpid plank]

100%

The light saber fights were fantastic

Then someone opened their mouth

[calm night]

These are exactly my thoughts on this episode

[limpid plank]

Can’t fucking wait for his show

He’s gonna tear it a new one again

[tawny zenith]

I liked this week's episode.

[calm night]

The fight scenes were great but again the motivation of one of the main characters is just so baffling to me

[tawny zenith]

Then again, i'm a fight choreo nut, so this was right up my alley. Qimir was a friggin beast. A Sith Lord that wasnt an old man or a cyborg or an angsty child.

[calm night]

Same and I think there's a chance he will just quit watching the show

[calm night]

He was great actually.. and using cortis which blocked light sabers, he killed so many Jedis

My question is Does he also have a master and if he does.. how much more powerful that main master could be ??

[tawny zenith]

I hope he aint ||dead.||

I kinda want more from this villain.

[limpid plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgG6qWjRIgM

I feel like there's zero sense of mystery now that we know who the Sith is

[calm night]

Ah.. He isn't and we also saw that in this episode.

[limpid plank]

and we know the Jedi fucked up big time - it makes NO SENSE that Mae didn't tell Osha what Sol did

[calm night]

Lots of things don't make sense in this show like why wasn't Qimir arrested??

[limpid plank]

Oh that's also a glaring question I had

I get why they didn't kill him but there's no reason re why they didn't arrest him

I mean there is - because the show would be over

[calm night]

I mean he was down and could have been restrained but No.. you take a risk with flying creatures

[limpid plank]

Which once again boils down to extremely lazy writing

[calm night]

Ya

[tawny zenith]

in some aspects perhaps, but having the sith guy ||acting weak, hiding in plain sight and fooling the Jedi during interrogation, resorting to pantomime,|| that was clever, imo.

I mean even i thought he was ||just a guy|| for awhile.

and now, ||Mae and Osha have switched places. Nice.||

[sturdy egret]

how can they not tell them apart with tattoos and everything

[limpid plank]

Writing

[sturdy egret]

I hope at least the sith guy is not ||fooled||,
jedis are obviously written as miserable fools in this show

[tawny zenith]

Not just in this show.

"I know about the clone command chips but i'll keep quiet and so should you." -Yoda, Clone wars.

[sturdy egret]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-breakdance-star-wars-gif-11746375

[jolly spruce]

Remember it's a show about the sith

So the villain is not revealed rather the protagonist is, in all probability

Perhaps, we will come across his master now

Darth Fucking Plagueis perhaps

[wild ginkgo]

What are you talking about bruh?

The protagonist wasn’t a secret….

[wild ginkgo]

Morpho

That was predictable asf

Everyone called it

[jolly spruce]

It was known for a while that this show would be from the sith prospective

[wild ginkgo]

It was so much of a red hating I thought they wouldn’t do it

But no

It was one of the worst decisions these brain dead writers made.

[jolly spruce]

I think after four episode of Jedi
They'd focus on the sith for know

[wild ginkgo]

Your missing context

[jolly spruce]

I don't think so

[wild ginkgo]

Yoda knows at that time something like that coming out would be a PR nightmare

[jolly spruce]

I don't think we're on the same page

Yoda didn't know about the sith
As we explore in the Prequels and Clone wars

[wild ginkgo]

The whole point of that scene is to show that the Jedi are caught up in the political gears of the senate and can’t compromise there positions of authority.

[jolly spruce]

And about the sith, I think Mae would do something

[wild ginkgo]

I was replying to to Morpho

[jolly spruce]

Oh , I misread the situation

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah it’s cool

I should’ve been more clear lol

[jolly spruce]

But I believe Yoda didn't know

A guy like yoda won't let it slip

At least he would have investigated privately

[wild ginkgo]

In an episode of the clone wars it was discovered that the identity of the guy who made the clones was Conor Dooku

[jolly spruce]

Yeah that came as a shock to me

[wild ginkgo]

The chip conspiracy never got out, as Fives was killed before he could expose the secret

[jolly spruce]

The jedi knew Dooky was a sith

But didn't know he was Darth Tyrannus

[jolly spruce]

Yoda found out in the final days of the war

when Qui Gonn guided him

he knew it was too late

[wild ginkgo]

Oh yeahhh

[jolly spruce]

he still tried control the situation

Who do you think Qimir's master is?

[sturdy egret]

darth yoda

[jolly spruce]

The Creator has teased that he is in search an acolyte to overthrow his master

[jolly spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-dumb-dumb-you-are-star-wars-gif-19416038

[wild ginkgo]

I don’t care tbh

[sturdy egret]

Darth I dont care

[wild ginkgo]

I’ll say this

[jolly spruce]

if it's Plagueis it's worth caring I think

[wild ginkgo]

The action I didn’t mind

[wild ginkgo]

I don’t the writing is ass

You can throw what ever character you want

Doesn’t make it good

[jolly spruce]

I think it's mid tbh

I don't necessarily hate it

But if the quality doesn't get better I don't think I will rewatch it

[wild ginkgo]

This is below mid now tbh

[sturdy egret]

mid is unacceptable for a million dollar project

[jolly spruce]

Everything is a million dollar project

It's not about money

[sturdy egret]

"Budget $180 million"

[jolly spruce]

Star wars fandom is so messy

So many people just watch to hate it

[sturdy egret]

for 180 million I will only accept excellence

[jolly spruce]

So they always have to work around

It was produced during COVID that boosted the budget

Star wars Fandom is the worst

And the MCU fandom is headed that way too

[sturdy egret]

I dont hate it but the writing is plain bad

I am gonna watch it for the action

[wild ginkgo]

Ight true but this show does have a lot of problems

[tawny zenith]

After he showed up, full regalia, not before. Not first episode.

[limpid plank]

@calm night bro 🤣

Johns segment for The Acolyte

“I’m done”

[wild ginkgo]

I DID

DF

MY FRIEND DID

^^^^^ @tawny zenith

^^^ @tawny zenith

OUTTA HERE

WITH THAT

"No one knew"

Bruh it was clear as glass

[tawny zenith]

Any of these posts from when the first episode came out? If so, congrats. Moving on.

[sturdy egret]

It was kinda clear after the previous but it wasnt that obvious before that

[wild ginkgo]

Sorry two episodes ago

HELL EVEN JEREMANY CALLED IT

[wild ginkgo]

I thought he was a red hairing at first

But after seeing the writting of three I thought, maybe these writters actually suck that much

[wild ginkgo]

If I called your twist 2 epsidoes before it comes that not a flex

You've failed

Don't even

And you wanna know why people didn't suspecT?

Because in any other contex this guy would be a red hairing

No written with a functioning brain cell would make it him

None

0

[sturdy egret]

The show would have been better without any twists
(like when the viewers know but the characters dont)

[wild ginkgo]

^^^^^

Like at that point don't insult our intelegence

Just have it so she knows and doesn't look like a fucking idiot.

[tawny zenith]

Right. And Kenshin Himura isnt the Hitokiri Battousai and Vash isnt the Stampede.

Cuz they dont look it. Pff.

[wild ginkgo]

What are you on about?

[tawny zenith]

Acting like a goof to hide tremendous strength remains clever in my book.

[wild ginkgo]

You're missing the point Morpho

Once again.

[sturdy egret]

darth jar jar

[wild ginkgo]

My point is that pretending like his idenity is a massive twist when they make every attempt to make us aware of who he is is not good writting.

IT takes away the suspense and impact of the rivael of his idenity.

We might as well know who he is but it's written like we're not suspose to.

The way it's executed, is poor

[tawny zenith]

Fair enough.

[steady jay]

wow, what a massacre

and this should totally have been one episode instead of split in two

[proper drift]

Best live action lightsaber fight I ever scene, the Sith reveal was mad predictable.

[sturdy egret]

if only writing was good this will be a decent show

[stuck widget]

Mae is getting the biggest screwover writing wise imo

[blissful drift]

We need the john wick or extraction equivalent for this shows stunt coordinator

[calm night]

Ya, I mean...he usually gives a show 2 or 3 episodes before he taps out.. he gave Acolyte 5 episodes as he's a star wars fan.. I'm sure he will complete the show once it is finished but won't talk about it

[stuck widget]

I rewatched Episode 5 with family

There’s a lot of things i like about the show overall but the writing has tanked in the last two eps especially

But there’s still things I like about it

Mae in particular even though some of her writing is off she’s still a character im liking

[tawny zenith]

I like Qimir. Warrior capable of acting his way out of a Jedi interrogation.

[wild ginkgo]

He’s every other masked Sith Lord

We’ve scene in the civil war period

And after

ILL SAY THIS Z

[tawny zenith]

Civil war?

[wild ginkgo]

The galactic civil war

Or the civil war

It’s the conflict with Luke

[tawny zenith]

The one with only Palpatine and Vader being Siths.

[wild ginkgo]

Yes

He’s another Sith lord with a mask

Who’s by himself with maybe a padawan

Online unique thing is the usage of the helmet

[tawny zenith]

Personality strikes me as unique. The other Siths were either politicians or enforcers. He was a smuggler who held a store that sold knick knacks.

[wild ginkgo]

Morpho

Listen man

I don’t got a problem with you liking the show

alright I got heated again

I’m sorry man you can like it

[tawny zenith]

I aint mad at you.

And yeah, these characters, under the right writers, would be better off.

But i'll take Qimir over another friggin old man any day.

He acts smart, he fights smart, and he just killed 6 friggin Jedi in one bout.

He a beast.

He aint dumb like Vader, cuz let's face it, Vader was dumb, and he aint ambitious like Palpy.

Dude just wants to use his power however he wants without being obligated to be hunted by the Jedi.

[wild ginkgo]

Woah woah woah

Woah

Back it up

[tawny zenith]

If i were a force user, i'd go the way of the Katarn, be Grey. But Disney dont believe in Grey.

What.

[wild ginkgo]

Vader ain’t dumb

He’s very much a threat to anyone in his path.

[tawny zenith]

And he killed a hundred kids, with a lightsaber, because a person whom he knew to be the bad guy, told him about Darth Plaguis' healing and ressurecting legend.

Emotional instability results in a tremendous drop in reasoning.

[wild ginkgo]

I’ll give you that

[tawny zenith]

Dude can fight, I'll give you that.

But he was far...far too easily manipulated by Palpy. What's more, Palpatine told him he didnt even know how to save his wife, and Anakin followed him anyways.

"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

Not one minute after that quote, Anakin takes part in Operation Knightfall.

He might not be a drooling simpleton, but i wonder about Anakin's intellect.

[stuck widget]

Even though this show has issues im going for a Mae pfp lol

Idc if people make fun of me for it, i like her as a character and thus

[supple tusk]

I need more fights. I dont even care lightsabers for real.

[devout plank]

It’s stupid they made it into legends only to bring it back now…

[void bear]

yeah disney just made everything non-canon so they could then pick and choose what they want to be canon

[wild ginkgo]

My bad I was laughing at the twist.

I replyed to the wrong comment.

[blissful drift]

I'm actually a bit surprised to see cortosis return

Lucas had a long running opposition to the notion of physical materials stopping a lightsaber

[tawny zenith]

Beskar and Cortosis ftw.

[blissful drift]

Like the dark saber exists cause it was a vibrosaber and he said "fuck that make it a lightsaber"

[void bear]

well lucas ain't in charge no more

[blissful drift]

What was the thing snokes guards wore? I vaguely remember those being resistant to glancing blows and thus in the last jedi they could only die to being straight up stabbed

[tawny zenith]

Plasteel? Dunno.

Apparently the armore is wreathed in a magnetic field which makes them blaster proof and lightsaber resistant.

Hurts the wearer tho.

[blissful drift]

Yeah but that was always the reasoning for the whole legends thing was the things that Lucas didn't like or weren't in line with his star wars

Though the years since it sure seems like they've slowly clawed back some of his more notable disagreements with the wider fandom

Namely all the Mando stuff

Though still surprised baby Yoda exists, cause even in the pre disney days when it was a bit lax on rules, that was a big red NO everywhere was examining yodas species

[blissful drift]

To be fair, this technically can still sort of exist, most of the opposition to grey jedi live with the "jedi" part

but its also well known that lucasfilm thinks the entire notion of a "gray jedi" is a bit cheap and lazy writing

[tawny zenith]

Ahsoka is Grey, imo.

[blissful drift]

shes a light sider who is not formally a jedi, the grey jedi that always caused issues was like, fan ideas of qui gon or kyle katarn that magically get dark side and light side powers and no real consequences

[tawny zenith]

Oh look, i use lightning to shut down a droid and gripping to save someone from falling, i'm a Sith. Doesent make sense. Intent should determine the affinity of the power, not the power itself.

Luke force gripped the two gammorean guards, he didnt turn.

[blissful drift]

this is one of those star wars things i tend not to try thinking about too hard

just because I feel like most of the time the more i think about fictional magic systems my brain starts to deteriorate

[stuck widget]

I think that overall I am liking the show. Unpopular school of thought ik

But i genuinely am despite the issues

[limpid plank]

That’s totally fine

[tawny zenith]

Same. Sorry for the fuss.

I watch star wars for dogfights, shootouts and force-powered duels like i watch Star trek for diplomacy. This show has delivered, imo.

[sturdy egret]

half the cast died lol

[tawny zenith]

They have to. Jedi cant know the Sith are back. 😛

Better believe Sol is next.

He's alone with Mae atm.

[stuck widget]

5>2>1>3>4
current ep ranking

for me

[void bear]

swap 3 and 4 and thats my ranking

[sturdy egret]

5 >> 1,2,3,4

[limpid plank]

5 is better but still like a 5/10 for me

It falls apart when characters start talking

[steady jay]

It's like, I can see what they were trying to do, but it feels like such a first draft

[wild ginkgo]

WE MUST PROTECT KARMA AT ALL COSSTTT

[supple tusk]

5, 2, 1 Is the best episodes to me

[supple tusk]

I like it just bad writing but great action scenes

[bitter stream]

Aside from some fancy fight choreography..abysmal show

[tawny zenith]

If it has fancy fight choreography, it isn't abysmal to me.

[bitter stream]

Good to know.

[sturdy egret]

5.5/10 for me

[proper drift]

Shoulda combined ep 4-5 into one 1.9 hr episode

[steady jay]

It is a pretty cool helmet though

[sturdy egret]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-driver-slide-hi-hello-kylo-ren-gif-14991279

[stuck widget]

Gonna rewatch the eps up to the most recent when home

[wild ginkgo]

Did you change ur pfp again?

[stuck widget]

couple days ago

[supple tusk]

real

[supple tusk]

No homo but ill let him choke me lol

[limpid plank]

This was the most well written episode

Even though Green Bitch is one of the worst actresses I’ve seen on screen no joke

The scenes between Osha and Qimir were pretty well written and interesting even though Amandla’s line delivery is atrocious

I think she forgot how to act after Hate You Give

Also liked the twist with Sol and he’s finally spilling the fucking beans my god

[stuck widget]

I loved this episode lol.

Yeah Sol and Osha were definitely the best parts of this episode

Probably the best one of the show thus far i reckon.

Also Osha’s outfit on the island i love

[limpid plank]

The actress playing Mae/Osha sucks

Everything she says sounds super stilted

[stuck widget]

i like her personally but

Green lady sucks i agree lol

[limpid plank]

Manny Jacinto is EASILY the best actor

I don’t think Sol’s casting works I get that he learned English for the role but his line delivery is extremely stilted and off

There are tons of Asian actors who speak fluent unbroken English

[stuck widget]

Am i allowed to share screenshots in here, or do i need to wait a day or two

[limpid plank]

It’s a spoiler channel fair game

[stuck widget]

Well then!
I really liked these shots in particular.

[limpid plank]

That was the most interesting storyline

[stuck widget]

Definitely

[void bear]

he is a fantastic actor, it's really a shame they couldn't write a good show for him to be in

but yeah honestly the last two episodes have actually been... not bad??

it was really just episodes 3 and 4 that sucked

but tbh i'd say more episodes so far have been overall enjoyable than not

im still hovering around a 6/10 for this show, maybe 6.5

its got a lot of things to like, but the dialogue and certain character decisions are just so atrocious

[limpid plank]

The show is still a 3-4/10 for me

[stuck widget]

Am i the only one who wanted the critter to die

i think bazil was his name

I was hoping Mae would slice him

[limpid plank]

No he’s annoying and useless

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah I’m done with this show tbh, not gonna watch the new episode I’m giving this show a 3.9/10 outta ten. Another Disney misfire

[calm night]

Wasn't a fan of this new episode. I just don't care for the twins. The only interesting stuff is what Sol did and why he feels he needs to answer to the High council??

I would have stopped watching the show but only 2 episodes left now and it is only 30 minutes each, I would like to know how this ends.

[sturdy egret]

acceptable episode

[limpid plank]

Nobody cares for those useless twins

So apparently a lot of people think Qimir was atrocious Green Lady’s Padawan

Especially because of the scar it makes sense

And it makes sense the level of nepotism involved for Headland to make her girlfriend or wife or whatever the fuck the ultimate bad guy

Even though I’m a better actor than she is

[sturdy egret]

corrupt jedi order vs lonely sith

[frank birch]

they really been holding onto this truth behind brendok thing for too long like

like

its delay is just getting annoying and clear theyre trying to push it as late as possible

but want to bring it up so much

[limpid plank]

The thing is

There’s no reason Sol wouldn’t have told them

Other than the writers can’t reveal it

So him holding back feels extremely forced

[frank birch]

its so annoying

theyre dangling a dang carrot in front of us except now its rotted

[limpid plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E62avwQqefo

This is very accurate

[void bear]

yeah i saw this episode being describes as "horny" lol

but to be fair

i would absolutely join the sith if he asked me to

[limpid plank]

no lol

watch the actual video he doesn't comment on that

[void bear]

??

all im saying is that i have seen people call this episode horny

tf u mean "no"

are you calling me a liar

[limpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/yess-yes-gif-25420589

but I thought they'd get dirty and bang in the lagoon

[void bear]

they would have if the show was good

[limpid plank]

I love how many opportunities Mae has to kill Sol in this ep yet she never goes through with it

[void bear]

she was totally looking at his second lightsaber, if you know what i mean

[void bear]

i think she wanted the satisfaction of sol realizing it was her

because if you just stab someone in the back and they never even know it was you

thats not satisfying revenge

[limpid plank]

well that's a stupid plan lmao

[void bear]

but im not totally sure what she was waiting for

yeah im not sure what her plan was tbh

[limpid plank]

She was waiting for him to blast her ass

[limpid plank]

I don't think the writers themselves figured out wtf Sol did until they wrote the 7th ep

[void bear]

yeah at this point sol better have commited like the most unforgivable atrocities known to man

otherwise its gonna be underwhelming

like wtf did bro do

and how does mae know

and why didnt she immediately tell osha when they met

[limpid plank]

Literal genocide yeah

Because nothing makes sense lol

[sturdy egret]

he broke the fire alarm by accident

[wild ginkgo]

Nah he was caught with Twi lek photos on his holo computer….

4k

[bitter stream]

"His strength in the force is very powerful "...someone actually wrote that shit and said...."yep that's the stuff!!"

[wild ginkgo]

Doesn't suprise me.

Again, when your writting it's not what you say, but how you say it, AND WHO'S SAYING IT

[wild ginkgo]

I GOT A QUESITON

Is it true that Mae and the guy joined forces?

[void bear]

what guy

that is such a vague question

[wild ginkgo]

Qimir

Or what ever'

[void bear]

wdym by "joined forces"?

[tawny zenith]

Mae and Sol? No.

[tawny zenith]

I've been looking for the one thing that makes all 6 of the 45 minute episodes of this series unwatchable. And that is it.

Sarcasm. Doesent take you guys alot to hate.

[wild ginkgo]

No no Qimir and the other twin

[tawny zenith]

Too early to tell. They just live together and havent killed each other yet.

They seem to have something in common tho, that being their bad relations in the past with the Jedi. Qimir's a Fallen, not a Sith.

Pretty sure he called himself a Sith to mock the Jedi in the previous episode.

Qimir only had Jedi Masters.

Plus cortosis is official. Nice.

Osha, the other twin, might be easy to turn because both her and Qimir have a bad history with Sol and the Jedi. Time will tell.

[void bear]

you literally said mae though

[wild ginkgo]

May bad. There both so forgettable I can’t tell there names apart

[tawny zenith]

Lol May bad.

[stuck widget]

I love our lead twin girlies lol

[steady jay]

it's just so dull

this show so desperately wants to be a film

[void bear]

i've been watching andor

how tf do two shows of such vastly different quality come from the same universe

what possible excuse could disney have for all of their shows not to be as good as andor

[tawny zenith]

just not as action-less or alien-less as endor, please.

[void bear]

something doesn't need action to be good

and yes sure i love action as much as anyone else

but it doesnt make up for bad storytelling

[tawny zenith]

hmm. if it were only possible to blend acolyte's action with andor's story...you'd get peak star wars again.

[void bear]

i agree

the acolyte really does have some great fight choreography

[stuck widget]

Indeed

Particularly episode 5

[wild ginkgo]

I'm happie for you Krama

I really am

Not gonna remeber these two in a year

If they survive who cares

It they die oh well

[steady jay]

yeah, that's what I mean by dull. I don't even remember most of the character's names.

[tawny zenith]

I dont think there is any show or film out there that forces people to remember characters names. You can only remember if you pay attention.

[stuck widget]

[wild ginkgo]

Morpho

There forgettable

I came, I watched, and I didn’t see much

[wild ginkgo]

YEAAHH

PROTECT KARMA AT ALL COST

[stuck widget]

<3

[blissful drift]

im gonna call it now, the shows gonna end on some note of plageuis and/or tenebrous interceding because qimir is lending too much credence to the notion of the sith returning

[stuck widget]

I just want my dark side romance to prosper

Lol

[tawny zenith]

And you speak for everyone, i get it. Sry.,

[wild ginkgo]

Morpho

When did I say I speak for everyone

[devout plank]

I came back

I just finished this episode

Also started reading Darth Plagueis and noticed the terrain and its descriptor in the book and what I saw on the show.

I thought it was Ach-Too at first but then it was called an unknown planet so this could be the Bal Demnic.

It would be stupid if Qimir is the first to know of Cortosis, considering Biths and Muuns live longer than the human timespan allows. Even the book introduces Plagueis as an apprentice for as long as a human is alive.

I really don’t care at this front because it isn’t exactly what I would adhere to but literal Sith looking into this for years makes more sense than a fallen Jedi.

[tawny zenith]

Does seem sometimes that since you hate it, everyone else should. I know cuz I was the same with Andor. So I'll just say it's ok if you hate it more than I do. Please respect that I don't think it's the worst, xmas special is the worst.

[wild ginkgo]

Now come on Morpho

You know that ain’t true

I might get rowdy, but nothing more.

[steady jay]

you know what I liked about the last episode? The little long nosed creatures that were puppets.

[keen wind]

The prop department were told to make aliens that look like ducks and anteaters

And they did and they looked great

[tawny zenith]

Ok, ok...

[wild ginkgo]

ILL SAY THIS

The make up

The partical effects

Look good

[tawny zenith]

everything but the story and writing, basically?

[wild ginkgo]

And the direction

[tawny zenith]

i guess.

[wild ginkgo]

And tbh some of the customs and hair styles look mid as hell

[tawny zenith]

gotta give props to the scenery and the combat direction.

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah combat is fine

[peak portal]

That little rodent dude 💔

[stuck widget]

I wish he’d die already

[peak portal]

He's adorable!

Adorableness in the SW universe gives you plot armor

Just ask BB-8

[blissful drift]

tell that to the cute smartphone droid

[wild ginkgo]

Jesus Karama…

I thought you loved the little guy

[stuck widget]

I love a lot about the show but hate him lol

[peak portal]

He's adorable and shall NEVER die!

Look at the nose, you KNOW you want to give boops!

Also, ugh him! Manny Jacinto

[wild ginkgo]

“You must not like it because your sexist”

“You must like it because your woke”

[sturdy egret]

ewoke

[tawny zenith]

I think in fact that is how it works.

[sturdy egret]

"Look how they massacred my EU"

[tawny zenith]

They massacred their EU. Your EU still exists.

[steady jay]

dude knows his arms are his best feature 😄

or at least the costume department does

[void bear]

i didn't mind when he was naked

i'd say all his features are his best feature

[tawny zenith]

dude can also fight.

[void bear]

he actually utilizes the lightsabers greatest advantage over regular swords

which is that it can be activated and deactivated at will

[tawny zenith]

the technique known as Trakata.

[sturdy egret]

how did no one ever think about this?

[tawny zenith]

Plenty did. You just don't see it on screen much.

[jolly spruce]

The Jedi see it as unethical and
The sith sees it as cowardice

[stuck widget]

New episode in two days!
Am especially excited for this one

[void bear]

my disney+ subscription expires today or tomorrow and i am not renewing it just to watch the acolyte lol

[tawny zenith]

Good plan.

Good thing its not the only thing i watch there.

[hidden cypress]

finally caught up with the latest episode and it was not bad, if the actual reveals are good it might make the bad episodes make sense even

[devout plank]

It was once considered a pretty heinous technique from both major factions (idk if this is different here). Even though the practice would mentally drain the opponents force instincts.

Also lightsaber whip looking like a noodle was exactly what I expect.

[sturdy egret]

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-whip-whip-acolyte-vernestra-vern-gif-15879242980077038473

It looks dangerous

[tawny zenith]

As lightsabers friggin should.

[supple tusk]

Man ahsoka is really good

It feels like a samurai film imo

[limpid plank]

My homies

Who is ready to be severely disappointed when Sol finally reveals what the Jedi did

[stuck widget]

Great episode.

Kogonada direction tho

Was a very solid episode

Solid backstory given

[stuck widget]

Good setup for the finale

[limpid plank]

Im hearing it’s awful 🤣

Par for the course for this show

[gloomy ingot]

You're only looking at the negative reactions. Look again.

[tawny zenith]

Sometimes I wonder who here actually watches the show and who just dumps on it on principle.

If anyone.

[void bear]

totally forgot a new episode came out tonight

[calm night]

Well, we finally get to know what happened and it was a ||series of mistakes from first Torbin going to the witches place for a ridiculous reason, Sol by killing Aniseya (although I guess he feared for Mae and Aniseya turning into a black smoke didn't help) and I don't know what Indara did with those witches, like it makes no sense to me that all those witches are dead because??
So, ya jedis weren't acting evil but a series of misunderstandings and mistakes led to this outcome. ||

This is the penultimate episode and it was fine, the fight was quite great as always but the rest, I don't really care.

This hasn't been a good show imo.

[devout plank]

Ok so they’re really are looking for a Vergance

[devout plank]

Okay why would mother just randomly turn to dust only to get to startle Sol to then kill her?

You know for a collective of force user people I find it shocking it took a mind clearing force trick to kill all of them.

I guess it was all a bluff.

Also weird of Sol to try using the force for the falling bridge instead of force grabbing the girls.

Where’s the bacta tank?!

End credits music is also a bit… hmm

I thought Torbin did some horrendous shiii, but instead we get the culprit being Sol who started this whole tussle with the coven. Just drop episode 8 tonight, might as well at this point.

Kalki 2898 AD>Acolyte

[calm night]

I think the mother was trying to protect Mae by it looks like teleportation of some kind but Sol took it differently as an attack against him maybe and he killed her.

It makes zero sense that Indara killed all those witches that easily with a mind trick unless they were all only knocked out and the fire and debris killed them, I'm not sure.

So, Torbin still feels guilty about going to the witches place and that led to their deaths after all these years and that's why he didn't resist getting killed by Mae ?? It's not like Torbin willingly committed mass murders and Sol started it.

[modest night]

Ok so I caught up on the Acolyte. Show still sucks. The only thing I enjoyed was the huge lightsaber battle a few episodes ago. The whipsaber was dumb as hell and looked stupid. I don't like how this show is making the Jedi out to be a corrupt organization. I also really hate when an episode is entirely a throwback that doesn't move the main plot forward.

[sturdy egret]

they are all dumb

[sturdy egret]

[devout plank]

Two episodes now.

[void bear]

i mean in all fairness, the prequels were literally about how the jedi were incompetent and how that led to their downfall

[limpid plank]

Hold up give me a fucking break

They didn’t explain how the witches were killed?

Meaning Sol could’ve EASILY explained that way earlier because the Jedi weren’t evil in the slightest - it was all one big misunderstanding?

[calm night]

Ah.. they kinda did but it was dumb. The main witch mother was killed by Sol, the rest killed by some mind trick done by Indara. Don't exactly know if that killed her or the fire later did.

[limpid plank]

But the Mae we saw was actually Mae?

The one who set fire to the fucking thing

[calm night]

Ya the jedis didn't go there with intention to murder the witches no

[limpid plank]

Then I’d love to ask Headland

[calm night]

Yes and she set the fire by mistake and not on purpose

[limpid plank]

Why did she make it such a huge mystery

[calm night]

No idea and btw.. you can watch the show. It is only 30 to 35 minutes.

[limpid plank]

I’m watching it in a few

[devout plank]

They weren’t incompetent, they saw a war that was beyond their control and utilized an army to only be easily usurped of its power from the republic. If they were incompetent they wouldn’t even be able to be called generals in the clone wars, sure sometimes it would leave many dead clones but some Jedi saw them as expendable. In the case of their religion it was hubris that put them down, it was their ignorance and isolationist mentality that left them vulnerable.

Wait I missed how the stone fortress went ablaze.

[devout plank]

Mother Anasaya: those noble intentions will get your institution to become extinct
Also Anasaya: I was going to let OSHA go it’s what she wants.

Okay why would you say such a crappy thing if your child is also going to be a part of it? Why provoke them at that pivotal moment.

[wild ginkgo]

NAHHH MANDO

UR JUST A STAR WAYS HAYER

STAR WARS HAS ALWAYS BREN THIS WAY

[calm night]

Exactly.. i was like, she changed her mind quickly.

[calm night]

Not all star wars...certainly not andor.

[wild ginkgo]

But pawsin!

Star Wars has always been that way

It’s fine

It’s always been this way guys

Don’t criticize it

Consume product and wait for next product

[wild ginkgo]

Mando listen

Don’t criticize

It’s always been that way silly

[limpid plank]

I think this is a new series low dialogue wise

So let me get this straight

This happened because Torbin is an impatient little shit who wants to go home? Come on

Do they expect me to feel bad for Mae

My god

Why the fuck did the mom turn into a smoke cloud instead of trying to diffuse the situation

No shit Sol would’ve perceived that as a threat god these characters are stupid

[devout plank]

You’re right

[proper drift]

TLDR

why didn’t she explain she was going to transport Mae or whatever (assuming that is what she was doing, she could have been doing something else—cause it looked like she was about to do some dark magic shit ). Also they don’t make a good case for osha mother being sympathetic or the witches.

Osha mother using dark magic on the padwan seemed shady asf it made her look evil so that would only serve to make the Jedi more skeptical. Then there is Osha mother using dark magic to do what ever she was going to do with Mae before she gets iced (it’s not explicitly explained what the mother was going to do).

the show is trying to make this parallel about “shoot first ask questions later” which doesn’t work here 😭. e.g If a cop pulls a person over and they reach into their pocket without explaining what they are doing, they shouldn’t be surprised if they get tagged.

This is essentially what happened with Osha mother, shorty turns into dark mist, Mae starts fading… from Sol perspective it looks like she may be hurting her. so he stabs her… (argument could be made that Sol should have asked her but Sol has to make a quick second decision seeing the mother turn into dark smoke and seeing Mae slowly turn into dark smoke)

The lines she says right after being stabbed are super corny, “I was going to let osha go with you” 🤦🏾‍♂️ why didn’t she just say that earlier and avoid this mess.

[devout plank]

Exactly she acted upon hostility first then assurance of safety post fatal wound.

I still don’t understand why the writers decided upon force manipulation as a type of vergance

[limpid plank]

Oh Sol had 100% the right to kill her there

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[devout plank]

A vergance is understood to be the force manipulation to interject and bring balance.

[limpid plank]

It’s the exact same as someone reaching into their pocket when confronted by a cop

[devout plank]

These women did it amongst themselves meaning it’s not controlled by the force. Ergo once they had an answer of the kids creation they should stop because it’s not what their prophecy has led them to believe.

[limpid plank]

And I still don’t understand how the other witches died other than magic tbh 😅

[devout plank]

Yea. I guess they got tired like Luke Skywalker in TLJ

But in his case I always thought stabbings also went through and affect the user?

Idk all I can say is Kalki 2898 is more consistent

https://tenor.com/view/prabhas-teasing-kalki-bujji-bhairava-gif-17307456328356632539

[limpid plank]

They just took a nap and didn’t wake up?

[devout plank]

“They lost the will to live”

Make sense in a tragic romance

Not for a cult

This is the space fantasy equivalent of the Roman siege of Massada

The coven had taken their own life before actual confrontation with any of these goobers

[proper drift]

Were they knocked out or did they die for sure?

[limpid plank]

I have no idea

I thought some of their eyes were opened

[devout plank]

Also whatever happened to that little girl that said, “I SEEE FIAAAAH”

[limpid plank]

And come on

[proper drift]

But if they did die maybe it’s like that ep in clone wars when mace windu tries to mind read Cad bane, but isn’t successful because it would destroy his mind.

[limpid plank]

Mae did start that fucking fire intentionally

She just didn’t expect the damage it caused

[proper drift]

Season 2, ep 3

[limpid plank]

Also

Torbin’s suicide makes ZERO sense

Bro didn’t kill anyone

He’s just an impatient little shit

[devout plank]

Worse than Ani…

[wild ginkgo]

Remember guys

Star Wars dialogue has always been corny

There has never been any good lines or dialogue

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-mandalorian-mando-warm-or-cold-i-can-bring-you-in-gif-18469795

Never

Never at all

https://tenor.com/view/darth-maul-one-last-lesson-padwan-star-wars-clone-wars-gif-17209031

Never

There have never been any well written scenes

https://youtu.be/-p5HKp1r38I?si=Kzis5UCruna1o1eG

[devout plank]

This is all cringe

[wild ginkgo]

https://youtu.be/qY5mBLkGVes?si=4XCYiZyQnPKI5huM

[devout plank]

Stop hating, it’s already been done in Star Wars visions

[wild ginkgo]

My bad

My bad

[devout plank]

Bigot

[devout plank]

[wild ginkgo]

: ( I’m sowwy

[devout plank]

I’m an Acolyte fan now

You better be, Star Wars was always cheesy

[devout plank]

I bet you’re not part of the Yord horde

https://tenor.com/view/yord-fandar-the-acolyte-charlie-barnett-star-wars-jedi-gif-13459821153174145721

[wild ginkgo]

Sorry my bad

[devout plank]

I bet you didn’t know Anakin blew up the Death Star

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-deathstar-explosion-lord-vader-i-dont-feel-so-good-gif-11802367

[wild ginkgo]

Sh my bad

[devout plank]

Better be

[wild ginkgo]

To be fair I’ll do the other side now)

[devout plank]

Mae and OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) are the best force dyads in this galaxy.

[wild ginkgo]

MAN, guys this show is so shit, how would they have so many black people on one show

Guys come on this show is woke as hell

Jesus don’t you know? There trying to indoctrinate you

[devout plank]

https://tenor.com/view/the-message-critical-drinker-woke-wokeness-equality-gif-16719221330809685394

goofy ah critical drinker moment

[void bear]

god i hate critical drinker

i used to watch his videos

until i realized he literally just thinks that anything that has a woman or a minority is pushing some agenda

[wild ginkgo]

Andrew because it is!

Look

[void bear]

oh shit sorry

[wild ginkgo]

They’re is slightly dark skinned person

[void bear]

i forgot that only white men exist irl

no no youre right, the original trilogy didnt have any women or black people!!!

[wild ginkgo]

That means that the show is trying to push a narrative

[void bear]

not like two of the most fan favorite characters from the ot are a woman and a black man or anything

[wild ginkgo]

And I mean, a bunch of woman having a baby? We’ve never seen stuff like that in fantasy!

Never

It’s a weird leftist agenda and it’s making me sick

[void bear]

a weird witch cult?? clearly theyre trying to make the viewers gay

also whats up with people saying that r2d2 is a lesbian

what does that mean

[devout plank]

I think Drinker is not much of a film guy as much as he is a narrative driven critic because my god the man misses a whole bunch when something is highly flawed. Or when a film is great he also misses much of the elements to claim it’s all about “THE MESSAGE”

[wild ginkgo]

(MODS WE ARE BEING SARCASTIC DONT BAN US, WERE MAKIMG FUN OF THEM)

[devout plank]

It was a joke in an interview that blew out of proportion

[void bear]

one of my breaking points for him was when he complained that the two main characters of shang chi had zero romantic chemistry when it literally states several times throughout the movie that they arent a couple

[devout plank]

Saying they already have the first lesbian droid with R2 this is the lead actress Amandla’s joke.

[void bear]

like how did he miss that

made me completely lose faith in his ability to actually consume media competently

[devout plank]

Like his buddy Mauler I can get listening to but he also misses a lot when it comes to criticism of a story both in its editing composition and score.

[wild ginkgo]

Tbh i don’t think mauler is that bad

[devout plank]

Like the Kingdom of Heaven watch together was painful, they kept saying to themselves why the Queen would kill her son and give up the kingdom when there is all this context in the director’s cut that not only they’re watching but they are also scrutinizing live without letting it breathe to tell its tale.

[wild ginkgo]

If you take the time to watch his videos, he goes into detail about why he feels the way he feels

IN GREAT DETAIL

[devout plank]

He isn’t but he misses as much with some of his Star Wars prequels criticisms

[wild ginkgo]

True

[void bear]

i agree with a lot of critical drinkers general ideas of what makes good/bad writing, but hes so convinced that everything is pushing some agenda that he becomes impossible to take seriously

[devout plank]

Watch that episode 1 prequel debate at their EFAP podcast. He was criticizing how there’s no shot to show the Naboo ship going into hyperdrive to Tatooine which makes the space between them seem ambiguous. This same sequence he criticized was also shown with the Death Star to Yavin 4, we never see the Death Star move to ludicrous speeds and yet it jumps from Alderaan to Yavin 4 so easily…

The same edit and approach and yet that’s perfectly fine?

[void bear]

its basic fucking film knowledge that you dont need to show every trip between every place

the audience isnt stupid

[devout plank]

Dear lord his drinker bar podcast is very repetitive it’s the same four questions every episode:

1. What will happen to Disney after |insert film here| bombs?!
2. Box office
3. Star Wars failing, what to do about it?!
4. Marvel failing what to do about it?!

Then occasionally you get a Chris Gore shit take.

[void bear]

heres the thing

as long as disney has one successful movie every few years, they can keep putting out shitters forever

inside out 2 alone just paid for like every flop in phase 5

and deadpool 3 is absolutely gonna make a billion

[devout plank]

Yea their speculation is quite a waste of time, especially when one of their Brits dude said, “Avatar breaking even at 2 billion should not be a surprise” I was baffled at how idiotic of a take I was listening to. Who would’ve thought there was that much hype for that series after 10 years!

The moment that guy made the claim that Avatar 2’s record breaking sales wasn’t that big of a deal was the moment I figured these people have little clue what they’re talking about.

Almost like anyone else can be a YouTube and spew better BS takes than that…

[void bear]

its so easy to be a film "critic" on youtube

[jolly spruce]

It's a joke 😐

Haven't seen the new episode but the reactions, damn!

[proper drift]

But.. but… the critical drinker is a real critic, he writes books so he must know what he’s talking about when he’s reviews movies writing = good, writing = bad, and he’d NEVER push agenda to his audience like Disney would he?, and… and… he has over a million subscribers

[modest night]

I'm convinced Disney knows what they are doing with the PR firestorm around this. Put Kathleen Kennedy or Leslie Headland in an interview to say something inflammatory to a large part of the core Star Wars fan base > wait for insane reactionary takes from various YouTube critics and bloggers > wait a couple of weeks then say something else carefully crafted to cause outrage in that same crowd > repeat. They know Star Wars peeps are going to watch the show anyways mostly, and they know the outrage around the show will put more eyes on it and increase viewership more. Classic case of no such thing as bad PR. They started the outrage cycle before the show even began.

The real reason the new show is so female focused casting and story wise has nothing to do with "wokeness" or whatever people are screeching about anyways. Streaming made the female demographic WAY more important to capture than it had been before from a purely business stand point. They want that money from stay at home moms and such that have a screen on in the background 24/7. Cinema goers lean towards being 60-65 percent male for any mainstream film. While streaming is almost the inverse with around 65 percent of viewers being Women with some anecdotal evidence suggesting men are more likely to watch YouTube or similar content, which makes sense when you consider the traditionally "manly" hobbies like car enthusiast content is there. So as usual the real reason things are changing in streaming is the same one as usual:

Anytime something in business or anything else doesn't make sense on the surface, follow that $ and quickly the pieces of the puzzle fall into place

[devout plank]

I wonder how much they gain from this 180 million dollar budget.

[devout plank]

Because Grey’s Anatomy, Law and Order, and ER shows are where I assume that demographic are mostly present. Trying to get a Star Wars crowd from this won’t be as good of an idea due to those shows having all the content under the sun to keep their audiences entertained, plus no baggage with continuity which here it kinda doesn’t but also you’re reminded of the 50 different shows that add to a larger story….

[proper drift]

What is the budget per episode

[devout plank]

20 million

[steady jay]

ok, so, question - Osha knew Mae started the fire. How did Sol know?

[stuck widget]

He used her as a scapegoat to save the hides of the jedi basically

“your sister caused a catastrophe and we saved you”

[void bear]

because osha then lived at the jedi temple with sol for like a decade?

oh do you mean like

in a flashback

i havent seen the new episode

[devout plank]

I assume it’s both of them using their povs clearing up the mysteries of that event. I wonder what the last 30 mins will contain…

[tawny zenith]

What i dont like as much is this series makes Anakin's creation not so special anymore.

since the twins were ||created immaculately as well||

Least we got the Kelnacca fight scene we wanted.

[jolly spruce]

I will for the finale before making my mind
I feel there's more

There's supposed to be a season 2 too

[hidden cypress]

seems hard to conclude all the threads in just one episode so a season 2 is probably good

[wild ginkgo]

I wonder too

Because like how do you measure returns on that?

If people unsubscribe within a certain time period does that mean a project flopped?

[jolly spruce]

It's mainly reception
If something can make people comeback, it's a win

But in reality no streaming service is making any profit

[hidden cypress]

and internal metrics that the plebs don't have access to

[void bear]

yeah the actual way theyre gonna make money is by getting people hooked and then slowly raising prices over time

streaming services are already starting to push $20 a month

when not long ago they were all in the $10-$12 a month range

[stuck widget]

I do find myself really liking the nonlinear storytelling of this show. Its very interesting to rewatch older eps with a new perspective, particularly certain dialogues really stand out more.

[steady jay]

yes, everyone standing around solely shouting everyone's names and nothing else is riveting. 🤣

[jolly spruce]

I think it does more damage than favor because episodes are limited and every second counts.

Because of this less content can be explored and the unresolved conflicts will be pushed to season 2

which won't come until 2-3 years

[steady jay]

assuming Disney doesn't cancel it

its an expensive show and if they don't get a return on it there's no point in making more

[wild ginkgo]

Please god I hope this gets canceled

I’m tired of this era tbh

[devout plank]

Wasted potential. Not like this era was as interesting to begin with. Vernestra Row just rubs off the same OC vibe as Ashoka, all about their amazing feats and being a rebel of a religious order…

I want to see that lightsaber whip in combat

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-whip-whip-acolyte-vernestra-vern-gif-15879242980077038473

[wild ginkgo]

Wait

She actually uses it rights

Right?

[devout plank]

Only in that gif so far

[modest night]

and this is going to blow up in their faces when people realize used 10TB+ HDDs are less than $80 now. Streamings value proposition and convenience was always the draw of it, especially back when basic Netflix was something like $10 a month and had every popular TV show ever. Now you need 6 different $20 subscriptions to get the same content and on some of those services you still gett ads. Not to mention the apps are all terrible (the one thing Netflix's website and app never had was bad UI design). Streamers aren't helping themsevles with the way they rotate content in and out and just flat out don't make content available in some cases (like Universal removing the Universal Classic Monsters from streaming any time except Halloween, despite owning the IPs and films outright). When streaming took over people thought the future was every TV show ever on Netflix for $30 a month. Instead its cable all over again but more expensive.

Worse yet: None of the major streaming platforms except Netflix are profitable, so prices are going to keep going up and content is going to be reduced in either quantity or quality furthering a viscious cycle. Its bad enough that at least one streamer (paramount) is trying to go back to licensing their content out and cancelled a bunch of super popular series. Part of the problem is SAG union contracts pushing the long term cost of series up and up and up. Mandatory residuals, mandatory pay increases each season (thats the real reason your favorite shows dont go 7 seasons anymore), etc. Making content in 2024 is EXPENSIVE, Web bandwidth is EXPENSIVE. Marketing is EXPENSIVE. And due to current economic realities the VC funding that these companies were relying on to float by while unprofitable for years has disappeared. So now everyone is rushing to try to be profitable under the streaming model and in many cases they are just destroying themselves.

My hot take is people are going to have to get used to paying for their content piece by piece again (IE: buying each season of a TV show, actually going to the movie, renting them, etc) or the media industry is going to had to drastically change to exist in the post-streaming world.

IE: TV shows will have lower budgets, run shorter seasons, less seasons, use less well known names and faces, etc. High budget cinema will fade-away and we will see a shift towards making mid budget films.

[steady jay]

tldr, but thanks

[calm night]

https://nerdist.com/article/the-acolyte-showrunner-leslye-headland-interview/

This article answers a bunch of questions I had

[hidden cypress]

damn that interview has some very nice bits

puts stuff into contexts I hadn't even thought about

[jolly spruce]

It's the second most successful star wars show

In terms of viewership

[limpid plank]

If it’s not on the show, it’s equivalent to Leslie pulling facts out of her ass 😅

I truly hope she sticks to smaller stuff

Unless she’s a talentless hack and Russian Doll’s first season is great bc of Natasha

[hidden cypress]

all the things she's saying is in the show though, it just depends on how you look at it

[limpid plank]

It’s legitimately one of the worst shows I’ve seen in the past decade so I’ll skip her thoughts because they’re irrelevant

[hidden cypress]

well okay

[wild ginkgo]

If a director has to explain there work for me to grasp it at a base level, that's a problem

All of this should habe been illistrated in the show, if you can't do that then you've failed your job as a director by definiaiton.

[hidden cypress]

did you read it though? it's not explanatory in that way

[wild ginkgo]

It kinda is dude

[hidden cypress]

not really, it's just explaining a process of how one got to certain decisions and one can argue it doesn't do an excellent job at conveying it all but it's not not there

like it goes from "this is baffling and makes no sense" to "I can see what they were going for but it doesn't quite work"

[wild ginkgo]

It's simply muddle in the shows incompatence, so it might as well not be.

If I paint a red car wait for it to dry and then slather a bunch of brown paint on the canvas, I can say all I want that there's a red car beneath the paint but at that point it doesn't matter. All the audience can see as a brown blob.

[hidden cypress]

in this analogy the brown paintjob is incomplete and you can still see specks of red here and there and knowing the car was supposed to be red you can go "oh yeah, I see the red bits, it's still brown though"

[wild ginkgo]

Oh no you can't

It's covered

[hidden cypress]

well clearly you can't. But some of those comments did put certain things in contexts that made me go "oh, so that's what that was"

but considering how much overanalysis of details people like to do I'm sure some people saw a lot more red before I did

[devout plank]

From what I’ve read so far the Qui-Gon connection is also a bit weak. Weak in the sense that the reason why Qui-Gon is very much invested in Anakin is due to his feats it wasn’t solely his high midichlorian count, clearly the boy is beyond his years. OSHA never demonstrates this, in fact we see her as a weak link outright.

The idea Headland is conveying of Anaseya’s failure isn’t even properly communicated, we just have a series of training scenes showcasing the powers of the twins… that isn’t conveying failure of the vegans it’s just showering one is gaining abilities much faster than the other.

[devout plank]

On top of this Qui-Gon’s mission isn’t of hubris like Sol, Sol’s was a selfish desire to raise in rank. That alone would raise questions in the Order considering no one outright calls themselves “the best” outside of Anakin, but with him it’s his ego that aided in his fall. It depicts Jedi more like a pederasty dynamic, Torbin’s whining and then 5 year gap to master is just odd… also this response, I guess the next 30 mins will conclude with all our questions answered?

[void bear]

yeah qui gon wasnt actively going around trying to take children

they literally just happened to stumble into anakin and qui gon genuinely thought he could give anakin a better life

its completely different

[devout plank]

On top of that Sol isn’t as unorthodox as Qui-Gon, he learned much more about the nether world of the force which made him different.

[void bear]

idk what those words mean

[devout plank]

Basically opposing the Jedi teachings but still a part of the Jedi order. It’s through him that Obi and Yoda learn of the force ghosts (the nether world of the force) so we can infer he knew more about the prophecies and events than most in the order as they were textbook readers and following protocol.

Yoda even senses Qui-Gon’s spirit troubled by Anakin when he was killing the sand people.

[devout plank]

Two more days

[stuck widget]

hype!

[tawny zenith]

Two ep finale, right?

[stuck widget]

afaik its just one

[devout plank]

Now 1

[wild ginkgo]

Nah

This show will die with a soft moan, not applause

[void bear]

so this is how democracy dies

with thunderous applause

[tawny zenith]

Natalie called, she wants her line back.

But yeah. I'll just move on after this show, maybe watch the fights again.

[stuck widget]

6 hours!!

[wild ginkgo]

Lets hope this show dies

[limpid plank]

And gets wiped from existence

[tawny zenith]

Its the Acolyte, not Willow.

[stuck widget]

I want an S2 please and ty

[void bear]

actually so weird that disney would remove their own show from their streaming service

like if theyre paying the licensing for another show and not profiting from it, thats one thing

BUT ITS LITERALLY THEIR SHOW

[stuck widget]

Yeah the Willow thing was stupid

[void bear]

thats so goofy

[stuck widget]

Yeahh that made 0 sense

[wild ginkgo]

Sigh*

I still have my vows

My must protect Krama

AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL COST

[wild ginkgo]

Willow is getter then this

And I thought it was mid

[tawny zenith]

I wouldnt go that far. Combat was kinda horrible in Willow.

[calm night]

I'm ready for this show to end and have zero expectations for the finale.

[limpid plank]

same here budday

can't wait for the shocking Venestra is Qimir's Master

[tawny zenith]

It might be a complicated ending. Qimir, Mae, Osha, Sol, Vernestra...they all need to die.

Or else the Jedi will know about the Sith and Ki Adi Mundi will be wrong in Phantom menace.

[limpid plank]

I don't think they'll kill everyone - they might break canon and kill the fanboys

[tawny zenith]

Or maybe they'll do something unexpected. Either way, i wants to see.

how long?

oh its right now.

lets do this.

[tawny zenith]

Man, the sabering in this show. I love it!!!

[limpid plank]

I think Mae and Osha are two of the most inconsistent characters I’ve seen on TV

Characters just change their mind on a whim

It’s such terrible writing throughout

And I don’t give a shit about ANYTHING 😅

[void bear]

have you guys finished the finale yet

[tawny zenith]

Would be stranger if, after learning that || Sol killed her mother, Osha forgave him. She's no Jedi.||

[limpid plank]

Not yet

That’s not the issue

Sol doesn’t even explain how it went down

That the bitch turned into a cloud of smoke and Mae started physically fading away

[void bear]

yeah i feel like the jedi's actions were kinda understandable

[limpid plank]

Then Mae suddenly deciding not to kill Sol

It’s just stupid shit after stupid shit

Then Osha turning to the dark side come on

[tawny zenith]

Death is the end of suffering. She wants his to last.

[limpid plank]

And Venestra is fucking horrendous