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molten sorrel
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It’s just not a great fit imo with Disney

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Sure it’s family entertainment

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But you can kinda see where Disney hasn’t allowed the darker episodes to happen

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Also have a slight feeling Billie Piper as the 16th Doctor might be slightly misleading

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Like the credits just credited her as “Introducing Billie Piper”

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Sure we saw the regeneration happen but if reality is cracked it’s possible Rose got back to our reality and switched places with the Doctor

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Though that’s only a theory

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Also what happened to sad endings

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The past 2 seasons have basically had the “Happy Ever After” treatment

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Sutekh and Omega both kinda got done dirty

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Technically McGann is shortest tenure for a Doctor lol

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He would probably be the second shortest unless Colin Baker was only 13 eps?!?

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Oh he was 35 eps damnnn

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Technically the 14th Doctor has the second smallest run smug

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Personally we need longer episode count, ideally Disney budget either cut or spent to make more episodes on a smaller budget, and shifting the focus back to what NuWho and Classic Who was for, a wider audience appeal than what these last two seasons have been which is extremely child focused Sarah Jane Adventures styled

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Even though SJA actually had scarier eps than anything from Ncuti’s run

gentle coral
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He can’t btw

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They don’t have the rights

molten sorrel
gentle coral
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Apparently yep

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Some mix of him being on a spinoff, being created by a different writer (who is now a disgraced transphobe and won’t share) etc

molten sorrel
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Ohhhh Gareth fucking Roberts

gentle coral
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That’s the one

molten sorrel
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I thought they made him sell the rights up

gentle coral
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That’s the one thing I’ll defend Russell on lol

molten sorrel
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That’s a shame

gentle coral
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Everything else


molten sorrel
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Hence why the character can be mentioned but probably never be shown

molten sorrel
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Shocking but also somewhat true

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Both somehow have a tendency of writing horrifically bad finales

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Though I won’t lie

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This was somewhat set up in The Day of the Doctor

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With what the Curator said

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That the Doctor would return to some “old favourites”

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Basically written into the canon that yes we are going to do nostalgia bait lol

uneven grail
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some tumblrs who said it better than me

molten sorrel
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Belinda just got the Martha treatment

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It’s funny kinda how much certain ppl moan about the progressiveness and “wokeness” of a show that is practically incapable of writing black characters

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The Nigeria set episode was slightly different mainly cuz there was a black writer on it

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I think the core problem is people wanted a proper change from Chibnall’s tenure

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Instead we kinda stuck in a retread of RTD’s former tenure

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Which is kinda playing like an American remake of Doctor Who

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Andddd to top it all of

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None of the “showrunners” will actually undo what the former showrunners have done/created

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Like most ppl loathe The Timeless Children episode

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So just retcon it 😅

uneven grail
# molten sorrel Belinda just got the Martha treatment

Except that Martha had an actual character. she might have been stuck being the lovesick puppy, but she played a super important role in the finale. she walked the world. she always got stuck in on the action and had actual angst and growth. Belinda was just there.

molten sorrel
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Companions kinda need a longer run to actually establish themselves better

uneven grail
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I'm not sure I would agree. Donna only had one series and she was amazing.

molten sorrel
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It just comes down to writing tbh

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Despite me hating Chibnall, Yaz was a great companion and it just took some time to kinda develop her out

uneven grail
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I wouldn't know. I never watched much of 13

molten sorrel
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I mean fair enough

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But that’s half the problem

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Piper and Tenant are both stunt casting basically

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It’s a shame how they both kinda sandwich another iteration of the Doctor that was pretty undeveloped

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The guy deserved at least one Dalek story etc

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From what I was reading it’s unlikely we’ll see another season of Doctor Who till 2027

uneven grail
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yeah, the plan is for a break

molten sorrel
uneven grail
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uneven grail
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I have no opinion

molten sorrel
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Which if I was a betting man

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This guy seems somewhat set up to take over from RTD

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Whenever he ends his tenure for the second time

gentle coral
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McTighe is worse than Russell

molten sorrel
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molten sorrel
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It seems to be the criteria for Doctor Who show running

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-be friends with RTD
-write terrible conclusions
-fanboy over Classic Who

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By fanboy we’re talking Wattpad level writing fluff thou

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😭

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Think we need a Tony Gilroy type character to take the reins of Doctor Who

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It’s weird for a show that’s kinda to rebrand and reenergise itself how stale it all kinda feels

gentle coral
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He’s the best we ever had

molten sorrel
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Like what did the man do that badly wrong that RTD and Chibnall didn’t do wrong

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He kinda works out as being the lesser evil 😂

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Also notice how the finale of S2 practically hinged itself on Moffat’s concept of The Time Hotel lol

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It’s like RTD can you just write something that isn’t recycling your old ideas or other people’s ideas lol

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The Girl in the Fireplace and Blink are probably better than most RTD and Chibnall episodes tbf

gentle coral
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Moffat is far and away the most progressive and intelligent of the three

molten sorrel
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Silence in the Library also pretty outstanding

gentle coral
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People call Moffat a misogynist but he’d never pull that Belinda shit

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Amy had a pregnancy and baby arc but she wasn’t shelved because of it

molten sorrel
gentle coral
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River Song was pretty multi-faceted

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Flirty but also romantic, cheeky but vulnerable deep down

molten sorrel
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I think it was the fact she just became a wife by the end of it all

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But idk

gentle coral
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Only she was never really a wife imo

molten sorrel
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I personally liked River Song

gentle coral
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For Moffat, marriage isn’t a death sentence

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Amy doesn’t leave the TARDIS when she marries Rory

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River has multiple seasons of solo adventures after marrying the Doctor

gentle coral
molten sorrel
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That’s true

molten sorrel
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It’s not like he isn’t a woke writer but his focus is more on the flamboyant stuff

gentle coral
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Like

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Ok we get it

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But positive representation also exists

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Show her being fabulous, not marginalised

molten sorrel
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Positive representation would be surely having discussions outside of that

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With her character just being and feeling accepted within society

gentle coral
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Exactly

molten sorrel
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Like with Rose Noble

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They basically just bring them in when they want to talk about non binary identity

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They don’t just let them be themselves

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Which is just pretty basic tbh

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They’re still a fun quirky character but rarely are they meaningfully used

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On a side note

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I also don’t get why the show isn’t getting a higher episode count

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What makes that so hard nowadays compared to even Jodie’s run when we did have 10 eps?

uneven grail
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don't know if we're getting a christmas ep this year

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but if Piper is around for just one ep, that might be acceptable.

charred wedge
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Rumor: The original ending involved all mainline characters celebrating winning the battle that we see in the episode. This scene would have included Susan overlooking the group from a distance, teasing her return for a future Season. In this version of the episode, 15 does not regenerate.

Reshoots took place earlier in 2025 after Ncuti Gatwa made the decision to leave, which is when the ending we got was seemingly shot. Everything involving The Doctor, Belinda and Poppy in the house was a reshoot, along with the TARDIS regeneration scenes and some of the final scenes in UNIT tower.

Overall, it seems that a bit of a spanner was thrown into things once Gatwa ultimately chose not to continue in the role. RTD scrambled to come up with a new ending, which resulted in Susan's cameo being cut, among other things. Billie Piper's casting must have only been decided in the last few weeks, as it wasn't originally planned to have The Doctor regenerate at all in this story.

gentle coral
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I don't necessarily blame Gatwa

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The BTS has been a total mess, and Disney aren't totally wrong to want to pull out given how middling the ratings and reception have been

uneven grail
molten sorrel
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It’s a shame considering what his third season could of been

molten sorrel
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If Gatwa left abruptly though that does mean any of RTD’s longer term plans for Gatwa’s run must be completely thrown off tbh

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It’s been a weird season though slightly like you bring back the Fugitive Doctor and Jodie 😅😭

uneven grail
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I hate how much they've fucked about with the canon

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started with entirely rewriting the Doctor's origin (which there is an arguement to be made about the regeneration limit), but then there was returning to previous actors, bi-regeneration, and just general fuckery

molten sorrel
molten sorrel
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It’s beyond ridiculous

glossy osprey
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Despite everything I loved 15's Regen. It was so joyful and really beautifully shot

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The music was amazing too

molten sorrel
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I thought it kinda looked cheap to me

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Which would make sense if it was a very last minute reshoot/add on

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My personal feelings is if we’re getting a S3:

  • the Disney deal needs to be voided cuz they aren’t a good producing partner, Bad Wolf Studios are great on their own as proven by the earlier seasons plus they made His Dark Materials which was an amazing co production with HBO so the problem is Disney (how much of a sway in what RTD is creating because they’re making it with Disney nobody really knows)
  • go back to NuWho roots, instead of literally saying “we’re not doing old Doctor Who villains” then including 3 OldWho villains, you’re kinda alienating NuWho fans who don’t understand the breadth of the lore which tbh the lore is as messy as the current state of the show is
  • RTD needs more guest writers: guest writers as they always have done have brought unique and diverse perspectives to DrWho and tbh it feels kinda stale and too tonally in the middle lane when we just have one or two writers writing a batch of episodes. It’s probably why a lot of ppl here enjoyed the spectacle of Eurovision episode because that wasn’t a sole RTD script. Also scripts need to have more revisions, half of the pacing issues are coming from them and the other half from horrifically terrible editing decisions
  • the main thing for me would be to have at least one iconic villain face off, we need a Dalek/or Cyberman or Weeping Angel type episode but not to the point that the show just makes episodes around them, variety means adding them back into the mix instead of just using new creatures and some OldWho lesser known villains . And to have that we need more episodes, the bare minimum should be 10 episodes.
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Now that it’s been like 3 years since a Dalek has appeared, 4 years since a Cyberman has appeared, you should be able to bring the iconic ones back without feeling like it’s just another nostalgia brimmed story add-on

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Most fans of DW watch the show to have a scare, a fun adventure, some social commentary and a good time, we’re just lacking what the core ethos of the show was recently and they need to find a way back to it

charred wedge
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Im glad Jodie and Ncuti got a scene together, but at the same time it felt like 2 actors lamenting the terrible writing they both walked into

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what a clusterfuck, 2 mainline doctors in a row, total clusterfuck

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now Rose is the fucking Doctor... just seems like theyre wildly grasping at straws at this point

charred wedge
uneven grail
gentle coral
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That’s the problem - the trust is gone

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I don’t believe that they have a plan for any of this

charred wedge
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ah, i didnt pick up on that. i guess theres a glimmer of hope. it just seems theyre trapped in telling new ways of regenerating and not focusing on new stories (that we actually care about)

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i mean if theyre gonna revisit the past, have the Doc visit all his/her old companions at the moment he/she left hem to go on one last adventure, new companion every week

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or just write seasons with longer episode counts so the characters mean something to us, but i dunno if the viewing audience or producers have the patience for that

final wind
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i think regenerations are happening way too often

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this whole every 2-3 years thing is way too much

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regeneration should be a big deal and should provide a chance for a new and preferably unknown actor to give a fresh take on the character

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not a way to nostalgia bait the audience every year and a half

molten sorrel
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lol tbf

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Wasn’t it like 7 years Tom Baker was The Doctor

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About 5-6 years for Peter Davidson

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Either the show needs to go on a very long hiatus or it needs stability

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But I’m not sure RTD is capable providing stability

molten sorrel
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Essentially the 8 episode season is

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6 episodes on the main arc

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1 episode of Doctor Lite

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And 1 episode of Monster of the Week

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That’s kinda the problem

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We aren’t getting the variety that Doctor Who used to provide

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When you also bare in mind

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Ncuti’s second season

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Had arguably two tonally darker episodes

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And six light fluff family episodes lol

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It just doesn’t work

gentle coral
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Lux, The Well and The Story & The Engine were all totally standalone

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The Robot Revolution and Eurovision were 90% standalone

molten sorrel
gentle coral
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Eh

molten sorrel
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Technically so did The Story & The Engine

gentle coral
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That’s like saying an episode with Cybermen can’t be standalone

molten sorrel
gentle coral
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It is

molten sorrel
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That’s different lol

gentle coral
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The Gods are just a new kind of monster

molten sorrel
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Not really

gentle coral
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Daleks, Cybermen, Reality Gods

molten sorrel
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Gods was the arc of 15th Doctor

gentle coral
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What was the arc

molten sorrel
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He had to face the new threat cuz of the 14th essentially retiring cuz of Flux PTSD

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Well I guess we’ll see with the 16th

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My personal opinion is the Gods “monsters” will become less prevalent anyways

gentle coral
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Lux wasn’t continuity heavy at all though

molten sorrel
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Whether I’m proved right and wrong I don’t know and neither do you

gentle coral
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It’s totally self-contained

gentle coral
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gentle coral
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That’s about as continuity heavy as Dr Who saying he has two hearts

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The story is a standalone piece, with a one-off baddie

molten sorrel
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Fairs

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And yeh there’s always been that split tbh

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It’s weird how much this new Ncuti run was linking back to Classic Who

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Like I’m mainly a NuWho fan so bringing back The Rani, Omega and Sutekh didn’t really do much for me

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Even bringing back Rose as whoever (Bad Wolf I half anticipate) doesnt make enough sense to me

gentle coral
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I don’t really get the thinking

molten sorrel
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Like no 21-30 year old is old enough to remember Classic Who lore

gentle coral
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Sutekh’s story is good

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The Rani stuff is pretty consistently terrible

molten sorrel
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Never seen her eps

molten sorrel
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Had some pretty cool ideas

molten sorrel
gentle coral
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She doesn’t have iconic moments or anything

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Sutekh at least has a great voice and look

gentle coral
molten sorrel
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Tbh

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The ending of this recent season would of been great had they gone for the worst scenario

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A new Galifrey was made

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Earth becomes extinct

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Rani becomes the main villain for the third season

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But essentially they cut off rushed a conclusion cuz Ncuti wanted an exit

charred wedge
molten sorrel
uneven grail
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the background fuckery of the last 2 seasons will bite this show in the ass for years to come

uneven grail
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Now, via Barb, the seven-day ratings for Wish World have been confirmed at 2,856,000 viewers across the week.```
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ouch

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This represents quite a fall in viewers from the 3,754,000 who watched the previous week's Interstellar Song Contest episode, although it is worth bearing in mind that these were the highest figures across the series thus far.

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yeah, no way is Disney coming back for those numbers

final wind
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i think that parting ways with disney would be best for everyone involved

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they did better when they had less money and more episodes

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keep the budget lower, it's ok if it looks like a cheesy tv show

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have 12 episode seasons again and compensate for the lower production quality by actually writing good character-driven stories

uneven grail
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The budget has allowed for some great practical effects and puppets, but the writing has been so crap. Good sfx should be the cherry on top, not the whole cake

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And I hate big budgets anyway. They kill creativity.

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I mean, just look at Blink. I know its the best Who epiosde of all time (and rightly so), but the concept of the monster was so simple and budget friendly - they can't move when you look at them

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In most of The Satan Pit 2-parter, the monster was just a voice and a feeling of dread.

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The Family of Blood spent it's budget on period costumes. The monsters basically possessed people or were dressed as scarecrows.

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The Unquiet Dead had aliens in the gas.

final wind
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now everything is just "lets go to a big cgi planet and kill a big cgi god in five seconds, oh btw youre a mom now"

uneven grail
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I also realised that one of the really big things missing from Ncuti's run was mystery. They used to spend 3 acts building up to the reveal and then ultimately defeat. Now everything was revealed after the first 15 mins, which is probably why the pacing felt so off

glossy osprey
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They really needed more episodes

molten sorrel
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You know what I miss

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Just saying


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Also I swear the Face of Boe was a big character for S3 but never has it really returned since then

uneven grail
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becasue we know who the Face of Bo is. That mystery was solved.

molten sorrel
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Back when Dr Who embraced pratical effects/makeup more

charred wedge
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my biggest problem with the Doctor regening into a former companion is, why not Adric? Dude was a kid when he died, if anyone deserves to live again its him

gentle coral
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Probs cos the actor is shit

charred wedge
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just throwin shit the wall at this point

gentle coral
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Tbf I don’t think it’d help the situation if Ncuti regenerated into a random child who started calling himself Adric

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I think we’ve got bigger problems rn

charred wedge
gentle coral
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It should be Clara cos she was the best

charred wedge
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if we were going by the best it should be Nardole, but it should be no companion whatsoever

charred wedge
uneven grail
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Its a good article.

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“Wish World” and “Reality War” together as a whole represent a vision of the show at its most creatively cowardly. A companion that challenges the Doctor? Out the window for a one-note character to be discarded and defined by a singular motherly trait. The return of classic villains with something to say about their place in the modern era? Smoothed over, cut short, discarded as emptily as they’re introduced. A bright future of new promise? Only old faces, old ideas, reheated and re-delivered at the expense of wasting a generational talent.

molten sorrel
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Its like if Ncuti stayed for another season

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Would these Classic villains had a larger role to play

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Also I read smth

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This spinoff that they did

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Basically made them cut the main season episode count to 8

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So without the spinoff we could of had 2 seasons of 10/11 episodes

molten sorrel
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Doctor Who Preschool Animated Series in the works apparently

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Idc if it means the main show is allowed to be more mature again tbh

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Also been making the rounds that Disney is dropping Dr Who after S2 however there are other co producers interested in the show (it’s looking like Paramount+ or even HBO Max)

gentle coral
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They were waiting for confirmation either way, which is why Gatwa left

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He wasn’t waiting any longer for a possible recommission

charred wedge
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HBO would make the most sense creatively and because most of nuWho is already on HBO

molten sorrel
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Gatwa left because of commitment to it

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And no doubt the toxicity of DW’s fandom doesn’t help with matters

gentle coral
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That’s the entirety of it

molten sorrel
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Ummm no there’s more factors

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But you do you

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When you’re read most of the current reports you’d know that it’s not just scheduling issues

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There’s creative issues too

molten sorrel
gentle coral
molten sorrel
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They also were a silent partner to my understanding

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Just handled distribution rights

charred wedge
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If we're lucky HBO will get it and we can start referring to the last 2 seasons as they shitty Disney years and forget about them

gentle coral
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What we do know is that Gatwa couldn’t take other jobs while the show was in limbo - Bad Wolf had hoped that Disney would renew after Series 14, but when Disney decided to wait until after Series 15 (or even later - they still haven’t made an official decision), it meant BW wouldn’t be able to start shooting until late 2025 at the absolute earliest. In the meantime, Gatwa would contractually have to keep himself available for a six month shoot that could come at any time.

Basically, he’d have had to turn down jobs without knowing when he’d even get to start shooting again (and if Disney didn’t renew, it might’ve ended in a pay cut after those months of delays).

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He’s 100% right for leaving in terms of his own career

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There was no guarantee of when he’d get to work or how much he’d get paid, and he had to turn down film roles for it.

molten sorrel
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Also Winston had a question

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How “scary” is the Curse of Fenric arc?

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I’m tempted to dip into it

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And honestly that season was a bit odd in how the direct reference to NuWho was basically Jodie, Fugitive Doctor and then Rose/Doctor?!? and Midnight?!?

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Whereas ClassicWho fans got Omega (for 10 seconds smug ) and The Rani

gentle coral
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Not scary imo

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More just dark

charred wedge
molten sorrel
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Not particularly

gentle coral
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Oh slay

uneven grail
# 
The BBC is bringing Doctor Who to CBeebies for the very first time with a brand new animated pre-school series now in development! Designed for the littlest viewers, this show will follow the Doctor on timey-wimey adventures through space, solving mysteries and making new friends along the way, with just a few alien challenges, of course
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This spin-off will run separately from the main show and aims to introduce the magic of the Whoniverse to a whole new generation. â€ïžđŸ’™
Patricia Hidalgo, Director of Children’s and Education, shared:
“Everyone is welcome at CBeebies, including the Doctor! It’s only right that younger audiences get to experience the wonder and the magic of the Doctor in a brand new format.”
💡 Animation studios are now being invited to pitch, we can’t wait to see who picks up the sonic screwdriver!```
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just a bit more detail

final wind
final wind
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david tennant has done voice acting work, i'm just saying...

gentle coral
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Which is a rlly nice idea

final wind
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i wouldn't mind that at all

gentle coral
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You don’t know which Doc you’ll get until the episode starts

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The Thirteenth Doctor in
 “There’s Something About Ptings!”

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Very Looney Tunes

charred wedge
uneven grail
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accurate

molten sorrel
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This would be amazing but I doubt he’d get the chance to actually showrun

gentle coral
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Ew god no

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I’d hate that, I think it’d lose the weirdness

uneven grail
charred wedge
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i kinda support RTD being in the dark

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now they just need to switch from Disney to HBO, get a new showrunner, and theyll be on the road to recovery

uneven grail
charred wedge
final wind
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💀💀💀

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i might be a horrible person

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final wind
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4th doctor looks like he's on ketamine lol

molten sorrel
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I doubt we get more Doctor Who until 2028/2029 tbh

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This preschool series they greenlit is definitely filling that gap but like not for classic and adult fans lol

uneven grail
charred wedge
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heh, Capaldi...

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final wind
charred wedge
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the 5th Doc is correct. its been this way ever since Capaldi left

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void pasture
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This show has so many random actors

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I just watched Time Heist and Jonathan Bailey was in it lmao

junior bison
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Was gonna ask if Ncuti was the shortest serving Doctor but remembered McGann only had the one movie

uneven grail
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but he didn't officially regenerate for, like, 12 years or something. So he's technically the shortest and the longest, I think.

junior bison
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I’m still rather taken aback he’s already gone. I know the show was getting hit with some low ratings and such but I didn’t see it as needing to get Ncuti out and swap him with Rose Tyler lol

final wind
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you cant blame ncuti for wanting to leave

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the show is in a state of limbo rn

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they thought it would get picked up for another season right away but it hasnt

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and if ncuti had stayed on he would have to keep his schedule open so that if or when it gets renewed he's immediately ready

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meaning he wouldnt be able to take any roles for a couple years

junior bison
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Well hopefully it was down to that. I’m hoping not to hear about there being some bts bullshit Ncuti had to deal with

final wind
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he just decided to leave after the show wasnt renewed

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his departure was done via reshoots only like a month before the episode aired

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although who knows what the actual experience was like, 9th doctor pretty famously hates RTD

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that just wasnt the reason ncuti chose to leave

uneven grail
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I think Ecclestone has softened a bit now. I don't think it was hate, exactly, but they did clash a bit and Chris realised that Who wasn't for him.

junior bison
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wasn't the whole "doesn't she look tired?" thing in Tennant's first episode some sort of jab towards Eccleston?

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"On 11 June, 2005, when asked about his feelings about working on Doctor Who, Eccleston told a BBC interviewer: "Mixed, but that's a long story". Eccleston's reasons for leaving the role continued to be debated in Britain's newspapers: On 4 October, 2005 Alan Davies told The Daily Telegraph that Eccleston had been "overworked" by the BBC and had left the role because he was "exhausted".[20] Eccleston later stated that he had left the show because he "didn't enjoy the environment or the culture that the cast and crew had to work in", but that he was proud of having played the role.[21] He subsequently said: "My relationship with my three immediate superiors – the showrunner, the producer and co-producer – broke down irreparably during the first block of filming, and it never recovered."[22] Eccleston said that The Daily Telegraph's quote was partially falsified, stating that he "didn't find [the job], physically, too tiring. When The Telegraph said that, any other producer reading that would go 'Oh, no, we can't employ Chris Eccleston because he gets tired.' So, it was a lie."[23]"

gentle coral
void pasture
void pasture
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I just finished watching Kerblam, it was fun but did 13 just flat out kill Charlie😭

charred wedge
void pasture
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IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED, MURRAY GOLD'S DOCTOR WHO SCORES ARE ON INSTAGRAMđŸ—ŁïžđŸ”„

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We are one step closer to the Series 10 soundtrack I can feel it

molten sorrel
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Soooo there’s been some updates regarding DW

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BBC basically come out and said we will be continuing DW with or without Disney

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And that the spinoff airs in 2026

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So that puts the main series probably returning either Christmas 2026 or Autumn/ Christmas 2027

uneven grail
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comepletely destroying any momentum they might have achieved.

void pasture
junior bison
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Moffat /s

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just keeps cycling through the same three nuwho showrunners

molten sorrel
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Unless RTD said he is leaving?!?

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People may dislike Moffat but at least he’s somewhat more consistent than RTD and Chibnall

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He didn’t make Orphan 43 or Space Babies

junior bison
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I think it would maybe breathe some life back getting a new showrunner. Davies doesn’t seem particularly interested in continuing

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Just hoping nothing negative comes out, it would suck to hear anything like Ncuti having a terrible time on the series, explaining why he left so soon

uneven grail
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I mean, the obvious answer is that his star was rising and having an uncertain shooting schedule was detrimental to his career

charred wedge
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Doctor Who needs an all new showrunner and a de-emphasis on it being for kids.

I need Doctor Who episodes that gut punch me, fuck this kid shit

uneven grail
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But, you know, hiring a showrunner that actually likes sci-fi would be a good start

molten sorrel
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Hiring a showrunner who actually wants to explore the Doctor Who mythos would be cool

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My guess is The War Between the Sea and Land kinda have to bomb for RTD to go

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And there’s probably a reasonable chance that will happen lol

final wind
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doctor who is at its best when it gets dark

junior bison
uneven grail
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There doesn't need to be any bts drama for his exit reasons to be logical

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But yeah, the ending was super rushed and very poorly done

molten sorrel
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I don’t think the last two seasons have been received particularly well

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The BBC expected RTD to essentially revive Doctor Who for the second time

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But it’s still kinda limping along

junior bison
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it's just also alot more of a toxic culture nowadays. Having a black queer actor playing The Doctor immediately makes bad faithed actors cry woke and alot of people stop watching

final wind
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which is really too bad because ncuti himself was like the best part of the new seasons

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he is such a great actor with so much charisma

gentle coral
final wind
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but his stories (especially in season 2) were just not that appealing to me

gentle coral
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I thought he started strong

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But by S2 he was phoning it in a bit, for me

final wind
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agreed tbh

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i think it was pretty clear he was wanting to leave by the end

gentle coral
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Yup

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For my money, Millie Gibson is the best actor they landed in the new run

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73 Yards is the best ep across RTD2, and so much of that is on her performance

final wind
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thats not ridiculous to say

gentle coral
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Even when she was demoted in S2, she still gave it so much

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Some quality facial expressions

final wind
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they need to go back to hiring relative unknowns as the doctor who can be seen entirely as the doctor and dedicate long periods of time to filming full seasons

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so many episodes barely had ncuti because he is just busy

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when you only have 8 episodes and two or three of them dont even have the doctor its hard to get connected to the character

gentle coral
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Up until Gatwa, the role was as much a brand ambassador as an acting gig

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Gatwa showed up, filmed a handful of episodes and vanished again

final wind
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yep

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i dont know what happened but it really does seem like RTD has lost whatever it is he had that made nuwho so special

gentle coral
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I think he got a bit arrogant

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Thought he could come back and instantly be as successful

charred wedge
charred wedge
uneven grail
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that's what happns when you shoot two seasons back to back

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I'm sure if they'd actually stopped between the seasons, there wouldn't have been an issue (and they could have come up with better stories)

molten sorrel
uneven grail
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Saw a really good video the other day that really pinpointed what's been wrong with Who since about when Clara came along... The focus of the show became less about the companions and more about the Doctor.
Those early seasons (Rose to the Ponds) were focused on seeing the Doctor through the companions eyes and lives. But then came Clara who was a plot device before she was a character. She was a mystery for the Doctor to solve, and so the focus shifted to him. And now the companions are so bland they're just interchangeable and would have zero effect on the stories.

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embded fail, but this was the video

final wind
uneven grail
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lots of valid points in here

final wind
uneven grail
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god, it's painful

final wind
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when you have 8 episodes, and the doctor isnt even in 2 or 3 of them, and every episode feels like some huge world-ending thing, its impossible to develop characters and make the audience connect to anything

uneven grail
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too much budget

final wind
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let us have low stakes filler episodes that just let the audience grow to like the characters

final wind
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there was a noticeable transition when doctor who stopped feeling like tv and started feeling like a series of movies

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and it was right at the start of the 13th doctor's run

uneven grail
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and the really frustrating thing is that RTD is a great writer. But he can't do Who anymore

final wind
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which is when most people agree the show started to decline

final wind
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it seems like disney may not continue funding doctor who, and i think thats the best thing that could happen to the show

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i want it to continue with a way smaller budget so that they have to go back to relying on clever writing and smaller scale character-driven stories

uneven grail
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Preaching to the choir, my friend

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I feel like RTD just doesn't have the same passion like he used to

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and lets be honest, he and David T were or became really good friends. I'm not sure I've felt the same connection between him and Ncuti (though admittedly, I have barely seen any BTS)

final wind
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i think they need to go back to hiring relative unkowns as the doctor

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i love ncuti and i think he was a great choice

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but he was just too busy to commit to the role

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the show worked great when they would get an actor who could completely become the doctor and commit to the role for a few years, and then pass the torch and move on to other jobs

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but without that commitment, its just impossible to get attached to the doctor as a character

charred wedge
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The only thing i liked about Whittaker's run were her companions. and poor Gatwa only had maybe 4 solid episodes out of his 2 seasons

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it needs completely new showrunners, no Chinball, RTD, or Moffat

void pasture
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IT'S HAPPENING

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đŸ—ŁïžđŸ”„đŸ”„

junior bison
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They’re always weirdly late with the Capaldi era music releases

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Waited forever to get hold of the Heaven Sent tracks

molten sorrel
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fresh off the press

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not shocking

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and tbh entirely expected in many ways

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i guess 2026 Christmas Special will be the reboot of the reboot of the reboot

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and that

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*that's a very tight turnaround

charred wedge
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shedding disney is always welcome news, but keeping Russel T? hopefully thats only for 1 christmas special and going forward it has a new showrunner

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and by new, i mean a human who has never once written for the show

molten sorrel
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I don’t want another Chibnall

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Oh god no 😭

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I feel like BBC will try and partner up again with another creative thou

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Like all they need is Bad Wolf personally

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They set the groundwork back in 2005

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They know how to do the style

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They just don’t seem to have managed to get back to the roots properly

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RTD’s lost his touch thou

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Literally why bring back The Rani and have them taken out in such a terrible messy way

charred wedge
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new writing blood and more episodes. or if not more episodes the entire season needs to be about the same thing

molten sorrel
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True

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I just hope they’ve learnt a lesson in the writing and production partner department

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Now we can get the show back to being British

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Disney kinda fucked around with the partnership

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Sorta forced Ncuti’s run to be cut short because they couldn’t decide whether they want to create more episodes

final wind
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thank god, without disney maybe they'll actually rely on good writing again

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have more episodes with more smaller stake stories that actually get us attached to the characters

uneven grail
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I would hope that the smaller budgets means back to basics solid writing

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But it also feels like everyone ran out of ideas a long time ago

molten sorrel
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Sounds like 10 episode structure is coming back from the scoops

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Also sounds like Billie Piper won’t last that long

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Basically a cameo appearance then will see the true 16th Doctor reveal

final wind
final wind
final wind
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we need fresh hands on the series

charred wedge
molten sorrel
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Literally he is the Kurtzman of Doctor Who

charred wedge
molten sorrel
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There’s even a crossover with || Doctor Who on Strange New Worlds btw || (spoiler to New Trek)

charred wedge
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i guess cause the show itself is basically an institution they treat it like one

molten sorrel
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Like they basically had massive studio interference from Disney for the past two seasons

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But the BBC aren’t much better

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They obviously wanna the run the show in a set fashion and not deviate from this RTD long course

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Thou I won’t be surprised if they rush out this “The Boss” arc tbh

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My guess will have the answer in the Christmas Special next year

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Like it feels equally the studios and RTD are at fault

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He should be taking on feedback but I don’t feel like he is

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When you’ve lost about 75% of your audience you should be looking at changing course

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Pretty sure Tenant’s era was about 10-13 million viewers

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And we’re down to 3 million nowadays

molten sorrel
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And probably the wrong way of treating the show

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It should be constantly reinventing itself

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But it doesn’t and hasn’t done for ages now

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I’m trying to think of the last good series twist DW actually pulled off lol

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It’s been a while

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I would say the bi generation twist was good but it was so poorly executed and quite a messy contrived conclusion

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Which didn’t conclude anything

charred wedge
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i honestly havent loved the show since Capaldi

molten sorrel
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I say that as a naysayer of that run

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But yeh he did have some pretty awesome episodes

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I guess it was just such a tonal shift from Smith’s era for me

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Like Matt Smith was quite a comedic doctor and then you have Capaldi who’s a lot more dramatic and theatrical

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And serious in turn

charred wedge
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i kinda liked the more serious turn for the Doc. Heaven Sent and World Enough and Time were great gut punch epis

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id love it if the show could be a bit more adult. i mean kids are way more grown up today than theyve ever been, theyd probly appreciate it too

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all new showrunners, more episodes, more adult = saving Doctor Who imo

molten sorrel
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But that new run is sooo childish and not even catering to the whole family it doesn’t really make sense

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Capaldi’s run was kinda better for tweens/teens for sure

molten sorrel
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There’s so much you can do within that 12/PG-13 rating tbh

molten sorrel
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I would rewatch Capaldi’s arc

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But honestly can’t beat Eccleston on rewatch value

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Still doesn’t make sense how RTD lost his touch

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Cuz back then every week was pretty consistently great

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Aside from

charred wedge
molten sorrel
molten sorrel
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Well every studio is

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Doctor Who literally lends itself to big risk taking

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Make the budgets smaller for each ep, make more eps and perhaps get rid of this showrunner complex

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Go back to the exec producer model instead

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And honestly I would take a return to 4-6 x 25 minute eps per arc and do 4-6 arcs per season

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Literally solved the massive issue smug

charred wedge
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1000% needs more episodes. Cause when the Doc refers to Ruby as his best friend yet theyve only known each other for 2 episode its like... huh?

molten sorrel
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That’s the point if they made each story instead of 40 minutes of rushed plotting and ran it over 2-3 eps you get such a stronger story

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That’s why recently back to Capaldi’s arc

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You might disagree

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But that’s why Extremis works

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It’s first part of what works out as being a 3 part narrative

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And you just get a lot more character work that you would of not gotten had it just been a 1 40 minute oh hostile religious alien order yadda yadda

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But yeh it’s simply they’re rushing too much

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And then because they’re rushing there’s no build off or meaningful payoff

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Like Sutekh just being cast into that vortex meant nothing because Sutekh barely felt like a threat

charred wedge
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might just be a product of the time. lots of people simply dont have the patience for good character development. everyones watching distracted, so they need everything spoon fed and probly wont even start something unless they already know most of the character motivations

molten sorrel
charred wedge
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Who might be entering its nuTrek phase where the good eras wouldnt be profitable in todays world aso they have to slash episode counts and rehash old characters

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Trek for me was best in the 90's... 26 hour long episodes a season. that simply couldnt happen now

molten sorrel
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And bc it’s structured in a way where I don’t need to know what happened in Deep Space 9 to understand something in another season etc

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I think modern audiences get uppity over having to invest more time in shows

charred wedge
molten sorrel
charred wedge
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i mean im as screen addicted as anyone... im literally looking at 8 screen right this moment... but when i watch something i tune 7 screens out

molten sorrel
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I’m still giving 70% of the blame to RTD

molten sorrel
final wind
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is that in the new season?

uneven grail
molten sorrel
uneven grail
molten sorrel
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Nah Fear Her is probably the most forgettable DW episode lol

molten sorrel
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The War Between The Land and Sea just been confirmed for a December 2025 release in the UK

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(My guess it’s gonna be in their Christmas to New Year week slot as a kinda DW event)

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Probably daily episode drop I reckon too

uneven grail
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seems likely

uneven grail
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interesting analysis.

molten sorrel
molten sorrel
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Got a feeling this won’t be the spin off most Whovians were hoping for

uneven grail
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hmm

final wind
gentle coral
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The last time Russell wrote an adult drama set in this world, it did alright for itself

glossy osprey
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The BBC doesn't have Disney money, but I'm pretty sure they'll still shelve out a decent budget for Doctor Who regardless

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The Whittaker era had some insanely impressive visuals

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Looked way higher budget than the previous seasons

final wind
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money definitely wont be an issue, but it will be nice to see what they do when they dont essentially have unlimited funds

glossy osprey
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And maybe we'll have normal episode amounts again

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Like a 12 episode season

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Instead of the 8 that everyone's obsessed with it

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I'd love to see Naomi Ackie in the role of the Doctor ngl

final wind
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i would freakin love a 12 episode season

final wind
glossy osprey
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I think Doctor Who just needs fresh blood, not RTD, not Moffat, DEFINITELY not Chibnall. We need someone who's a fan of the show (so they don't blow up the lore like Chibnall did) but also someone who'd bring a fresh vision to everything

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Dude imagine Edgar Wright directed DW

final wind
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the newest seasons are WAYYY too connected to the original mythos though

glossy osprey
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We need someone who's really into Sci-Fi too and not sci-fi adjacent stuff. DW is at its best when it toys with science fictional concepts imo

final wind
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i think theres a way to do a "soft reboot"

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require zero previous viewing but still be the same continuity

glossy osprey
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That's probably what Gatws turning into Rose is

glossy osprey
final wind
glossy osprey
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New Doctor, new cast of companions, maybe have them face off the daleks and cybermen some where

final wind
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and yes it is a sci fi show

glossy osprey
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Doctor Who needs to be a monster of the week show again

final wind
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i dont want a bunch of gods and mystical stuff

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and cmon ncuti never faced even a single dalek or cyberman

glossy osprey
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Dude when DW was a "what sci-fi problem are we solving today" show it was so good

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That's what a lot of 10, 11 and 12 was

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13 was kinda that for the first two seasons

final wind
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i just want to see 12 episodes of the doctor and companion getting stuck in some new sci fi predicament and the doctor has to figure a way out

glossy osprey
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I'm not saying Doctor Who shouldn't be serialized but maybe have it just be overarching again instead of multi episode arc

final wind
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im not against a slowly building overarching story

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but with ncuti it felt like every single episode was some big massive-stakes event

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honestly the best episodes of each of his seasons (boom and the well) were the episodes that arguably had the smallest stakes

glossy osprey
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Ironically enough some of the best episode of the Gatwa era was when it was him trying to figure out a sci-fi problem

final wind
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yepppp

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exactly

glossy osprey
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And also that episode on the ship with the midnight entity, that was awesome

final wind
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the well

glossy osprey
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Yeah that one

final wind
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that episode was so good

glossy osprey
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That one was awesome

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That's a callback done right

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Especially with how Gatwa imitated Tennant

final wind
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literally his best episodes were these small stories contained to one area where its just the doctor being smart and solving an interesting sci fi predicament

glossy osprey
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Cause Gatwa had the charisma to carry too

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Like the Rogue episode was awesome

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Dude I loved him and Jonathan Groff

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That entire episode was FUN

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and they never really addressed it again! We just see him again in what supposedly was possibly him but we don't know

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It would've been amazing for Rogue to be a companion but maybe the doctor having a gay lover companion would've made the bigoted fans lash out 💀

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I mean it almost happened with Yaz. Which is what they confirmed thanks to that WONDERFUL bit with Whittaker in the finale

final wind
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literally got so wasted in this show

glossy osprey
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I was in love with how RTD wrote Whittaker for just those few minutes, it made me happy but also sad because I know she would have THRIVED if she just had a writer who knew how to write her

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Whittaker didn't have a lot of moments of being genuinely angry until the Timeless Child stuff

final wind
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BRO 13 WAS SO GOOD IN THE LAST EPISODE

glossy osprey
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Smith was probably one of the angriest doctors to me ngl, surprisingly enough

final wind
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i was so happy to see her back even briefly

glossy osprey
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Smith's seasons had such an adventurous tone to them lol

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I loved them

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They were what got me into Doctor Who as a kid

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I just loved how silly some of the Smith episodes were

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That's what doctor who should be imo

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Unpopular opinion but I actually really loved the James Cordon episodes because they were basically what I like the most about Doctor Who. The Doctor showing up to some random person and solving their sci-fi problem lol

glossy osprey
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RTD really brought out her playfulness excellently

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It's funny, because Whittaker's doctor was always someone who was empathetic and very energized and happy all the time, but had a dark undertone to her that she bottled up, she never really knew how to properly show her emotions.

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And RTD displayed that perfectly in one line, "I should tell that to Yaz"

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And Ncuti going "You never do."

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Even when "The Fam" was splitting up, 13 didn't even really know how to properly express her sadness at them leaving.

final wind
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i really like the 13th doctor's personality

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her episodes were just so boring for me

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i skipped a lot of them

glossy osprey
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It should've just been her and Yaz

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From the start

final wind
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ended up just looking up the most important ones and only watching those lol

uneven grail
uneven grail
glossy osprey
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Yup same

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Well

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I did like Heaven Sent

charred wedge
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World Enough and Time and Capaldis last epi are my 2 fav epis of classic or nuwho

gentle coral
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Expensive cameras are useless if you don’t know what to do with them

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You just end up with sludge in high definition

charred wedge
molten sorrel
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some reviews are out and its a lot less negative than I personally expected

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whilst im not expecting an amazing spinoff, its not looking as bad as it could of done

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but this could simply be down to the fact we are getting 1 story in 5 episodes

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its getting a load more space to work with than most recent DW outputs

charred wedge
final wind
# charred wedge

i made this meme on my phone the day that article came out 😭

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charred wedge
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punctuation is so very important lol

charred wedge
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man Capaldi was so amazing here. No music at all needed, just him talking

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has any episode of classic or NuWho ever properly explained why the Master hates the Doctor so damn much? If they did I dont remember it as i think i binged it all too fast

gentle coral
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The War Between is quite good

uneven grail
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oh, is it out?

gentle coral
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First two episodes

gentle coral
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Lol did any of y’all even watch it

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It’s solid

uneven grail
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I'll wait till it's all out

molten sorrel
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Actually shocked how good it is so far

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But then again it’s more adult Who and I think this should be the direction for the main show too

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As well as allowing stories more episodes

gentle coral
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Episode 4 is awful

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I liked the first few

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Ep4 feels more kiddy than the main show - big tonal shift

final wind
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not sure what you expected from RTD

gentle coral
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He’s also written great political sci-fi dramas before, like Years & Years

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It’s not sci-fi but A Very British Scandal is great too

void pasture
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Not saying they were bad, I'm on season 1 and I'm liking it, but Children of Earth seems to be on a whole other level compared to the rest of the show

uneven grail
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well yeah, it came last, you know?

gentle coral
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Last episode sucked

uneven grail
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As is traditional with RTD

gentle coral
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Lol true

charred wedge
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2 Doctors were there too

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molten sorrel
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Also The War Between the Land and Sea is basically DW Avatar

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Just all feels very lazy

uneven grail
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Not sure why you all hated the ending so much? I thought it was fine

uneven grail
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I will say the relationship between Salt and Barclay was underdeveloped.

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we didn't get to see enough of them together to really warrant him running off into the ocean with her.

molten sorrel
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Though I heard hasn’t seen that Children of Earth had a similar ending

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Idk I guess subdued endings aren’t what we expected considering the build up

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It just fizzles out

molten sorrel
uneven grail
molten sorrel
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true

uneven grail
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with things like this set on earth, the only outcome is going to be whatever re-establishes the status quo, just like in Marvel films.

molten sorrel
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Because it was only ever going to be one season

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And they made it pretty clear just how disconnected from the main DW show it was

molten sorrel
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Interesting article again

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I think Capaldi has got the issue spot on

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RTD needs to leave cuz this Whoniverse fuckery is pretty much his delusion of grander ideas and trying to make DW into a blockbuster filmic series that it shouldn’t be

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Honestly this Christmas Special this year I feel is going to make or break DW further

uneven grail
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part of the charm of DW has always been its ambition to tell these big sc-fi stories on tiny budgets. Its scrappy that way. Sure, the effects might be a little naff, and the CGI unconvincing, but that rarely mattered as the writing made up for it.

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big budgets are death to sci-fi shows like this

final wind
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the smaller the box is, the easier it is to think outside the box

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creativity thrives on limitations

uneven grail
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I've always said that