#šŸŽ„ Barbie

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sturdy trench
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Yes it is

latent viper
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The legs are strong with this one so far. We’ll see what the second weekend drop looks like at the box office. Could surpass Mario in the long run if it keeps it up.

tawdry wigeon
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Just got out of my second viewing

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It was still great

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People in front were super annoying tho

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Honestly this movie does not feel like an hour and 50 minutes

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Goes by in a breeze

whole rover
sleek rampart
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šŸ‘Œ

dusky bramble
rugged dock
dire zealot
rugged dock
viral pecan
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I'm Just Ken >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peaches

karmic fox
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GOD DAMN

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IT STILL GOING

rugged dock
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Don’t get me wrong, this was FUN and I chuckled a lot. But having heard it was so much more profound than you’d expect etc & knowing what greta’s capable of, I was a tad disappointed by how superficial the ā€˜deep’ message was. It felt sanitised/Hollywood and tonally, the film was all over the place, like one minute a musical number, then something sincere, then a pure enactment of Barbie stereotypes. It was like a busy print, fighting to make its statement as something unique but drowning in comedy bits & generic girl boss speeches ??

spare gazelle
rugged dock
spare gazelle
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I disagree on that. I feel like the target audience is burnt out sad millennials. And their children

kindred jackal
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I think it has to be accessible for everyone, but also, Barbie and Ken are totally naĆÆve and do need things spelled out for them.

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So it works on both levels

rugged dock
rugged dock
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my absolutely favorite thing about the barbie movie is that at no point whatsoever it explains how the mattel employes know about barbieland like imagine starting your new job on mattel and the first thing they tell you on orientation is

"yeah barbieland is real and we've had incidents in the past with a doll coming into the real world please see page 7 of your employee handbook for reference also if you wander into a random room on the 17th floor and meet a nice old lady don't mind her it is just the ghost of our founder"

tawdry wigeon
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House is boring it needs 3 more words in front of it

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Can’t think of any tho

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Hmmm

atomic bone
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My threatre was laughing at every scene involving Ken

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That's how much Ryan Gosling gave it out the best

gritty lion
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Where do u live and why is it banned

sturdy trench
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Gosling is fantastic

sturdy trench
umbral loom
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I heard the same thing for Philippines but they ended up allowing Barbie screenings

sturdy trench
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I think they did after censoring that image

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But ya it always sucks when you are ready to watch a movie in a theatre but then it gets cancelled

umbral loom
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Yeah especially waiting over a year

agile ember
# rugged dock

I was thinking of the barbie the prospector ended up with at the end of toy story 2 but this is funnier

viral pecan
latent viper
latent viper
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Lol. Elon Musk is mad about this film.

modest kelp
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Why is this even being asked

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Literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

latent viper
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Are men evil?

solar pagoda
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Wut

gloomy portal
kindred jackal
half plume
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Y

flint crag
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A friend of mine comes back from the movie and tells me that she liked it but that she likes Women Talking more.

I feel like those 2 movies are not really comparable, are they?

kindred jackal
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hmm, completely serious film about sexual assault in religious community, VS a bright, family orientated musical comedy? No. No comparison.

sleek rampart
half plume
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Lol I forgot about women talking

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Oops

solar pagoda
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Oh you meant Women Talking

flint crag
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oh sorry yes

solar pagoda
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They aren't comparable imo

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Wildy different stories

flint crag
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her point was because they are both directed by women and about female empowerement

dusky bramble
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Sure but they’re both still two starkly different films that feel ridiculous to put side by side and compare

atomic bone
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Exactly

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One is about feminism and the other is about sexual assault

quasi fossil
flint crag
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@dusky bramble @atomic bone thank your for your perspectives, that's what i thought. I haven't seen Talking Women but from what I heard/seen it didn't seem related, so that's why i was confused šŸ¤”

crystal bane
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Completely separate tones and stories

atomic bone
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Both movies are about women I'm guessing
But yeah to expand my points, it's not comparable due to the subject matter. Women Talking is based on a irl event where over 100 women were sexually assaulted by their male peers in a religious community, and the movie tackles on the different viewpoint about whether they should leave their family or not in exile
Barbie is more about exploring how women can have various roles outside their box and should be understand toward children

spare gazelle
languid stag
viral pecan
# flint crag <@300373645555924993> <@341765368714625034> thank your for your perspectives, th...

For what is worth, while I don't know for sure what was your friend's angle, I saw Barbie today, and I do think a comparison is apt. They are both recent well publicized rhetorical exercises on feminismā„¢ that don't go nearly as far as they could or should, and empty themselves of any punch through their backhanded construction. I do vastly prefer Women Talking and I am glad that movie exists. In the case of Barbie, that happens by design, so I am afraid I cannot even say that.
I will try to lay further thoughts on Barbie here a bit later, or tomorrow.

flint crag
whole rover
flint crag
whole rover
tawdry wigeon
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Actual good letterboxd icons

mild rune
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Full theater, someone seemed to refunded 3 tickets, we grabbed it, now we are watching it in a couple of hours lol

atomic bone
celest bluff
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🄺

atomic bone
mild rune
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Waiting for Barbie

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Packed house

kindred jackal
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like, sold out on a weeknight that's not a friday, is damn impressive.

viral pecan
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Y'all think this will get 1 billion at the box office?

kindred jackal
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I think it might, you know

mild rune
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Pretty much sold-out every screening in my local megaplex until they move to the BIG screen on Saturday, the day that it replaces Oppenheimer there eheehe

kindred jackal
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or it's going to get very close

mild rune
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Barbie making a Billion is going to be somewhat unlikely, since everyone who is going to see it would be doing so before week 3 I think. I don’t think it’ll have massive staying power, but it could get real close.

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I may change my tunes after I watch it in… 5-6min

kindred jackal
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I dunno. I think word of mouth is really playing a part

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like, lots of people who were put off before are being told by people who have seen it that it's good

mild rune
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I wanted to see it for ages… again, wife proclaims me to be a male lesbian

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Just came out, ffffuuuck it’s good… who’d thought a movie about Barbie can be an ideological art film

mild rune
sturdy trench
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It exceeded my expectations and I had absolutely no expectations.. I wasn't even gonna see it until I saw the trailer and due to the cast.

mild rune
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Greta didn’t disappoint… turning a movie about a doll into a deep analysis of both feminism manifesto AND patriarchy… and it’s not preachy to boot… and it’s hella fun… and it paid tribute to the original material….

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Not to mention one of the best opening sequence spoof of 2001 ever

sturdy trench
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I agree

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Lots of influences in this movie

mild rune
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Wife was very confused as to why I laughed so hard in the opening sequence

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Lol

sturdy trench
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Not many got that reference

mild rune
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But it’s 2001: A Space Odyssey!

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A sequence about ā€œbeginning of menā€!

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Kinda actually surprised that Mattel allowed themselves to be spoofed so hard.

sonic saddle
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If you can't laugh at yourself and all that...

mild rune
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It was all out of love

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Oh, and anyone seen the Mattel Production logo? That thing is BEAUTIFUL!

glass tiger
mild rune
kindred jackal
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Narrator note or final joke?

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Becasue both got massive laughs in mine

mild rune
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Narrator note

kindred jackal
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yeah, we all missed what was said next šŸ˜„

mild rune
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People kinda semi-groaned at the final joke lol… in a knowing way

glass tiger
glass tiger
kindred jackal
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dammit. Discord never wants to embed Insta links

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grr. Someone figure out how to do it because it's worth seeing the video. Just a fun BTS moment that was edited out of the final film

glass tiger
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from rewatch

sturdy trench
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Woah.. that's masterpiece level

glass tiger
karmic fox
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I wish I could draw

woven echo
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Anyone feel bad for the kens

upper niche
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I'm still mad that there weren't any headless armless legless barbies

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That's what I used to do to mine

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I did not feel represented

agile ember
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All the guest at work are telling me it's good

viral pecan
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seeing this again tmr

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only person in theatre

flint crag
upper niche
mild rune
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Barbie is a damn masterpiece for sure... despite the sheen of consumerism, the content is anything but

mild rune
mild rune
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and the Ken fight... epic in a silly way... amazingly done

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my favorite moment is actually the cubicle chase, despite it being somewhat mild compared to the rest of the film... it's just got the right tone...

glass tiger
mild rune
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The song choices man lol [chef’s kiss]

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Song as narration too lol

dusky bramble
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Would’ve been nice to have the end credits hit us with the Aqua song but I understand why it couldn’t be there

mild rune
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I thought it WAS the aqua song

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Well, a version of it

dusky bramble
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It’s a remix but you can’t be eat the original

mild rune
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Not really, no, but this version is right-er for the film

rocky light
viral pecan
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You already probably know this, but I was always too detached from the whole subject so as to never have learned it until now: although Ruth Handler was a founder of Mattel and her redesign of the doll that became Barbie was the primary launch to the company's success, the very name of the company is an amalgam that erases her name while keeping that of her husband and of the third partner. There goes the company spirit. Rhea Perlman is still lit, though

kindred jackal
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There's not enough silliness in films these days.

viral pecan
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I finally managed to write something about the movie: https://letterboxd.com/hoplitis/film/barbie/

I could no longer ignore it, I am not immune to the publicity, of which the ideological critiques are a part of, including this little contribution of mine. The challenge may be to justify the need of critiquing this movie. After all, it is a tie-in movie to a consumer item, and some deluded or deliberately dishonest statements aside, nobody cou...

rich nexus
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In all honesty, I don't really wanna see Barbie because of preference, but seeing these people calling it woke is really stupid these days, I'm sure they don't know what that term means anymore. And these people say that the Left gets mad, when that's absolute hypocrisy, both sides get mad over stupid shit.

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Hell, i remember seeing a video where someone called The Last Duel woke when it's based ON A TRUE STORY. I think his name was Yellowflash.

trim kindle
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anything that wasn't a straight white male movie is considered woke to them

kindred jackal
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Basically, if it's not Ken's Mojo Dojo Casa House, it's "woke"

uncut fjord
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And I'm okay with that, if Matt Walsh, Alex Jones, and Ben Shapiro and their followers are mad as a hatter about a certain type of media??

viral pecan
uncut fjord
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You just seem to have it out for Barbie from the first few paragraphs and seem to overall dislike associations with this type of film

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I'm pretty much a shameless Gerwig Stan

viral pecan
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If you say so

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It seems a bit dismissive, though, ngl

uncut fjord
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It's just a pink fun music moments movie about a weird doll that has meant a lot to many

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Your review was quite dismissive and you have every right to that opinion

viral pecan
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That's not what it just is, that actually seems dismissive of the movie you are stanning šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

uncut fjord
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How? I respect you and especially my favorite movies?

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I just avidly disagreed with the review as is my right

viral pecan
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I am not saying you disrespect me, and disagreement is possible, even desirable

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I just wouldn't say I am a misanthropist for having many big qualms with Barbie, is all

uncut fjord
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M'kay

kind lotus
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why there are no children in barbieland?

kindred jackal
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because there are no children Barbies. Well, there's one, but I think it's supposed to be her little sister?

light dune
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inherently, no

light dune
whole rover
rich nexus
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They're calling it Anti-Men.
Yet Ken stole the show. smug

rich nexus
solar pagoda
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Fart jokes are incredibly bad

kind lotus
light dune
flint crag
rich nexus
lofty shoal
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Also is Barbie pregnant at the end?

dusky bramble
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What?

lofty shoal
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She asks to see her gynecologist

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Then again Ken didn't become real

dusky bramble
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That…doesn’t immediately mean she’s pregnant

lofty shoal
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Yeah i guess not

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Also i liked Kate's weird Barbie

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And i could watch a clip of Ken going down that slide for hours lmao

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Ken is MEEEE

dusky blade
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Barbie was watchable
Gosling kinda carried

atomic bone
uncut fjord
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For a second I wondered if there was a Witch Barbie then realized there is... Glinda

uncut fjord
uncut fjord
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Even my local Starbucks is in the 'spirit'

kindred jackal
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In less than a week

dusky bramble
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movies had a great weekend and look to continue having one but thanks to studios being stubborn about pay they're gonna torpedo that momentum

kindred jackal
dusky bramble
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Oh it’s definitely still impressive I’m just bummed that come august ticket numbers for movies in general at the theatres are either gonna drop, or the title options are gonna thin out because now studios are shoving films back cause of the strike

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Like, it’s looking like we ain’t getting Dune 2 this year

kindred jackal
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yeah, that sucks. I rewatched the first one a few nights ago and it's still very good. Well, first 2 acts are. I feel like it loses steam in the 3rd one.

woven echo
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Note to the director casting Margot Robbie does not help sell this point

sleek rampart
kindred jackal
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It's Robbie's production comany who made it

dusky bramble
latent chasm
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Robbie pushed Gerwig to direct

sonic saddle
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Apparently this movie is killing Oppenheimer and Mission Imp DR?

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Man, Barbie CAN do anything!

sturdy trench
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I wouldn't say killing Oppenheimer because the audience is quite different and Oppenheimer is doing very well for a 3 hr movie as well.

sonic saddle
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I'm not saying these movies arent good, mind you.

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Havent seen em, but i have a hunch they must be pretty good.

sturdy trench
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All 3 are really good movies.. My ranking would be Oppenheimer followed by MI 7 part 1 and then Barbie. Again, I was never interested in Barbie but I quite enjoyed it.

kindred jackal
sturdy trench
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True

round abyss
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Movie went hard

atomic bone
vagrant ginkgo
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Ts was good

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The depression Barbie had me dying

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But one question

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WHERE IS RAQUELLE

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šŸ’€

viral pecan
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saw this for second time

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common W

sleek rampart
flint crag
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Tbh I do find it funny that people ended up buying tickets to see Oppenheimer because Barbie was sold out lol

dusky blade
light dune
kindred jackal
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I mean, if they're not running around or disturbing anyone, why not?

vagrant ginkgo
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They need to get Bad Bunny as one of the Ken’s in Barbie 2

viral pecan
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What a great movie

viral pecan
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Good performances

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Nice soundtrack

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Cool vibe

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Lots of deep themes that make you think

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W movie

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Great experience

karmic fox
sonic saddle
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Only in terms of money.

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Maybe a little in terms of fun too.

glass tiger
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Oppenheimer is definitely still doing fantastic alongside Barbie

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MI7 is faltering but the numbers arent abysmal

viral pecan
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Weird decision

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Needed like a month of a solid run without interruption

light dune
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Tom Cruise knows no fear

karmic fox
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uncut fjord
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I saw a TikTok comparing Barbie to Joker. I was wondering when this would happen, many people I've talked to called Barbie "our" Joker and now the "film bros" are hating on Barbie and comparing it to the darkness of JokeršŸ™ƒ

light dune
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the Jokers message was fucking stupid

glass tiger
light dune
viral pecan
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Also feet

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Lots of feet

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Should’ve been Tarantino directing

kindred jackal
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like, you see any BTS shot of a Marvel film and barely even the actor will be real.

light dune
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But people were so astounding by how the car scene is shot that's like movies 101

kindred jackal
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yeah. because the defult is CGI

flint crag
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I’m glad we still have beauty of practical effects, it really takes it as CGI dominates everything (yet simultaneously vfx artists are undervalued)

I really didn’t expect that backgrounds were painted in Barbie, but that’s why it looks so pretty

umbral loom
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Especially their journey into the real world, I loved the space background

woven echo
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Remember if you were uncomfortable for Ken only existing to be Barbies boyfriend and nothing else you are very close to having a revelation

kindred jackal
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they were always so ethereal.

gray dagger
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Two words

karmic fox
tawdry wigeon
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I’ve gotten into like 5 arguments over the point of this movie

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And like I’m not crazy for saying barbieland wasn’t perfect right?

gray dagger
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Definitely not

tawdry wigeon
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It’s clearly not fair to Ken’s. Kendom isn’t fair to barbie ie: point of the movie is equality

gray dagger
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That’s like the entire point of it yeah

tawdry wigeon
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Yeah

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Some people just

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Don’t get that

tawdry wigeon
light dune
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i dont see how people are missing this movie so much

tawdry wigeon
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Some guy just said to me ā€œyou missed the point the point was that women should be in charge and men suckā€

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Like

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It’s clearly feminist

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But it’s not that

patent grail
rocky light
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960K on LB

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We’re almost there

quasi fossil
sleek rampart
quasi fossil
sleek rampart
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and then floped like bag of potatoes

quasi fossil
sleek rampart
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500 mln on 290 mln budget? that's about 100 mln lost

quasi fossil
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Luckily the movie is performing well overseas. The international audiences are showing up for Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One, as the movie has made more than $252 million overseas. Whereas in North America, the movie is just $126 million.1 day ago

sleek rampart
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it's not gonna make 200 mln more to become proffitable

quasi fossil
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Then again it’s only been out for 3 weeks

sleek rampart
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that's a lot for theatrical run

quasi fossil
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It’s also a summer blockbuster

sleek rampart
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first 3 weeks are gonna be like 80-95% of income

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summer blockbuster that lost premium screens to Oppenheimer and regular ones to Barbie

quasi fossil
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Is that domestic?

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Or worldwide

sleek rampart
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domestic

quasi fossil
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It could always make more money

tawdry wigeon
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It’s actually baffling how many people are missing the point of this

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The person who was arguing with me earlier said ā€œthe Ken’s clearly don’t want equalityā€

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Like

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Did they watch it?

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Did they tune out 30 minutes in?

viral pecan
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This was my first Ryan Gosling movie and gotta say he killed it in the role

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Margot Robbie was excellent

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Movie was surprisingly emotional

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The jokes all hit

sleek rampart
viral pecan
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This one was a surprise for me, didn’t expect to enjoy it so much

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The themes covered were great

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Although it might not be for everyone

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The entire cast shone in their individual moments

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Really had me in the cinema just contemplating

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This and Oppenheimer

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#cinemawins

solar pagoda
karmic fox
viral pecan
karmic fox
umbral loom
sonic saddle
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I saw him get his arm broken and squeal like a mariachi with a hernia.

vagrant ginkgo
vagrant ginkgo
tawdry wigeon
kindred jackal
viral pecan
quasi fossil
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Also watch First Man as well he’s great in that and watch The Ides of March

rocky light
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991K on LB

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We could hit 1 million in an hour

crystal bane
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Barbie is about to reach 1 million viewers on letterboxd

dusky bramble
autumn wasp
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almost 1 million

rocky light
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996K

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ALMOST THERE

uncut fjord
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Good for them

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My TikTok FYP is full of people talking about being "guitared" at and I love it! I was "guitared" at at least twice

rocky light
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997K

rocky light
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998K

crystal bane
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999k

rocky light
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999K

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ALMOST

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Pleaseeee

crystal bane
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We hit it

rocky light
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YESS

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9:54 am

crystal bane
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7:54pm

kindred jackal
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00:54am

wise nacelle
karmic fox
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God damn

glass tiger
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yesss

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and in the LB one million club on the same dayy like

glass tiger
atomic bone
lucid thunder
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I finally got to watch Barbie, probably my film of the year but I still have to watch Oppenheimer though i doubt that’ll top it

fair steeple
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@next dust

next dust
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Where's Gloria's post

shut moss
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One word I can describe Barbie would be: Charming. It's a charming movie. ^^

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And Charismatic.

So that's 2 words that I can describe Barbie. XD

latent viper
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I've changed my perspective on this film. Barbie is not anti-men.

viral pecan
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Don’t think it ever was

rugged dock
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the scene of barbie telling the elderly lady she's beautiful always makes me cry because for so long we've been taught that we're only useful and pretty while we're young and that we'll eventually be forgotten when we're old and that made me fear growing old for so long like my whole life i've been grasping my youth with an iron grip but now i know i don't have to worry about aging because it doesn't determine my worth or beauty and i actually believe age makes people even more beautiful like think about it: you can see every smile in crows feet, the memories in kind eyes, think of all the wonderful things wrinkled hands have created, all the wisdom that comes with growing old, age is gorgeous. argue with the wall if you disagree.

rugged dock
karmic fox
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I mean at that point life has past you by, everything that was one once so full of life and opportunity is now all….

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Used up

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But maybe that’s where the beauty comes in

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It’s beautiful because we are doomed to die, so every moment matters so much more

atomic bone
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Babe wake up, there's a Lydia Tar Barbie doll

twilit vigil
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Apartment for sale!

rugged dock
balmy birch
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Note to filmmakers, Margot Robbie is the last person you want to cast if you want to make this point

pearl glen
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barbie

pearl glen
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i laughed

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had surprisingly awesome writing

atomic bone
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Depressed Barbie is a whole ass mood

balmy birch
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frfr

bold merlin
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I can't believe I didn't like this as much as I thought I would. I guess the hype got to me, because I laughed, I cried and I had a good time but it wasn't as transcendent an experience as I kinda hoped it would be

kindred jackal
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I think it depends how much you knew going in. For me, all it was was Barbie goes to the real world. I had no idea about where the story would go or the messages/themes it would cover.

bold merlin
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I didn't really know where the story was going. I sorta expected that the movie would be about barbie ending up in the real world and then most of the movie trying to get back. The fact that most of the climax was in barbieland was a nice surprise (since who cares about the real world anyway?)

bold merlin
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there were a lot of good gags

karmic fox
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Bro the scene where the ceo is chasing her and he gets stuck at the card turnstile thing

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AND HE THROWS HIS CRAD

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BRO

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LMFAOO

bold merlin
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also the whole chase in the cubicle room had this surrealness to it

kindred jackal
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it was so silly

karmic fox
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Like when she met her god

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It was almost something out of

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A psychological drama

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Or something

wise nacelle
twilit mica
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stupid fucking movie

glass tiger
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if you think its man hating at all you didnt watch it.

dusky bramble
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Michael coming in with the angry words

viral pecan
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I'm so fucking tired of people debating if this movie is woke or not

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Like damn I'm just happy the jokes landed

kindred jackal
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Not enough pink in that queue

light dune
light dune
rugged dock
light dune
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yea it was 64$ before the premiere

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and like 52$ prior to that i believe

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supply and demand

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also is the only official one, most are just tshirts, whereas thats a PLUSH HOODIE

light dune
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see im not crazy

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reddit fan theory: Buddy the Elf gets older and is hired by Mattel because of his skill with toys– taking a special interest in Barbies because of his daughter’s love of them, and keeping a basement full of LEGOs as his personal escape from the business world.

atomic bone
atomic bone
light dune
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Who even is Michael

static shuttle
# light dune

I ordered one after the premiere and it still hasn’t shipped lol

light dune
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yea Barbie 2 might come out before that ships

pearl glen
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barbie

vagrant ginkgo
uncut fjord
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It's so fun being a XX chromosome person and seeing so many people like me coming out for this movie

sturdy trench
glass tiger
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Im loving this film more every day tbh.

karmic fox
pearl glen
glass tiger
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Barbieeee

pearl glen
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if you dont like the movie LEAAAAVE

glass tiger
hazy imp
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i loved the twist

pearl glen
mild rune
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or was it "you know it" or something

mild rune
pearl glen
mild rune
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Barbie movie is so bloody good

pearl glen
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5/5

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seeing oppenhiemr tonight

hazy imp
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what do people think of the death initial incident and reason why barbie had to go to real world?

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tbh idk if its just me but it felt out of place in this movie i think there shouldve been a diffrerent reason

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it didnt really fit with the rest imo

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that and the car commercial in the middle of thje film are my only complaints

rugged dock
rugged dock
karmic fox
tall mortar
light dune
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IM JUST KEN !

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AND IM ENOUGH

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AND IM GREAT AT DOING STUFF

glass tiger
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before work i got to rewatch the first hour of Barbie again

maiden urchin
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This was not at all one bit what I expected. My mother was laughing pretty good at the 2001 parody at the start lol

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To me Rhea Perlman was the best part of the movie. Totally unexpected to see a lot of the folks in this, especially her

light dune
pearl glen
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also 5/5

atomic bone
kindred jackal
pearl glen
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woah

karmic fox
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Tbh I’d simp for Greta Gerwin

mild rune
maiden urchin
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Very sweet that line

twilit mica
whole rover
sturdy sandal
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Better than I expected and had a lot of dumb fun. Not one of the best of the year, but I enjoyed it for the most part.

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Gosling as Ken was the best part of the movie

glass tiger
gilded gazelle
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Can someone please tell me why Barbie did better with fan reception that Oppenheimer did?

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I haven't seen the movie yet, but I wanna hear some reasons and opinions about it before I form my own after I see it.

sleek rampart
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by what metric it did better?

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I just checked IMDB, RT and LB. Oppenheimer has higher scores everywhere

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although comparing them is fairly pointless endeavor, it's not apples to apples

gilded gazelle
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My friend kept telling me that everyone enjoyed Barbie better, but I figured he was wrong. Lol

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But have you seen it?

sleek rampart
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Your friend is allowed to enjoy funny sunny movie more than 3 hour bio drama

gilded gazelle
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Not saying he isn't.

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TLM?

sonic saddle
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scuse me. confounded the tabs for a sec

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forget i said anything.

gilded gazelle
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Lol If you say so.

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But is the story in Barbie any good?

sonic saddle
gilded gazelle
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So not as good as I hoped.

sonic saddle
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I wouldnt say that. It has a message that i think people ought to listen to. And i'm a man.

gilded gazelle
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What kind of message?

glass tiger
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To me the story and message/themes are both splendid

sonic saddle
gilded gazelle
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I don't get it.

sonic saddle
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What i'm saying is if i explain it, i basically ruin the thing for everyone.

gilded gazelle
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Lol This is a spoiler channel.

sonic saddle
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right, but the movie does it better than i ever could.

sturdy sandal
gilded gazelle
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Makes sense.

sonic saddle
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But the preachy stuff isnt as bad as i thought it would be.

gilded gazelle
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Does it get musical like Disney movies do?

sonic saddle
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Heavily, and gloriously.

sturdy sandal
sonic saddle
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Good licensed music too

kindred jackal
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oh, my post got removed

strange sedge
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k

pearl glen
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soy suficienken

light dune
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I am Kenefficient

rocky light
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I’ve got bunches of people at my school arguing with how ā€˜woke’ and ā€˜anti men’ this was

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And they haven’t even watched the film

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sooo frustrating

dusky bramble
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The paper of conservative talking heads unfortunately. The moment they slap a label on a film it’s like impossible to remove it. And then also prompt their viewers to not bother with the film even if they just wildly misrepresented it

whole rover
viral pecan
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It's so funny how this is gonna make 1 billion and then Blue Beetle's gonna immediately bring WB back into the negatives again

whole rover
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It seems that the profits here will cover their other losses

viral pecan
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It will cover all the loses

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I feel like Dune and Wonka will probably do fine too

sleek rampart
whole rover
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But the majority of their box office loss

viral pecan
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They’re so lucky they made a Barbie movie to cover for this shit

mild rune
kindred jackal
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Also, don't forget that Oppenheimer physically couldn't have as many screenings as Barbie.

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And super serious adult drama vs fun bright comedy with a global iconic IP

whole rover
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Not to mention

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More people saw Barbie

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So there’s a higher chance you see someone that likes it

glass tiger
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Both have had amazing reception though

light dune
mild rune
# kindred jackal Also, don't forget that Oppenheimer _physically_ couldn't have as many screening...

Not really, they COULD exhibit it everywhere, they CHOSE not to. For Universal, Oppenheimer is a prestige project, so as long as they were able to write it off, it’s all good. Of course it also performed well for the number of screens it showed on, and that’s better than just writing it off. Barbie needs min 300mil to write off, and is designed more as a commercial venture by WB. Oppenheimer only needs 200mil to write off, that’s like ā€œlow pressureā€ territory.

kindred jackal
mild rune
# kindred jackal No, I meant due to the runtime.

Oh yes, but the key difference stems from the fact that one is designed as prestige, while the other is designed to be commercial. If Oppenheimer was designed to be commercial, then it would’ve probably been shorter.

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As a film, it’s hard to rate Oppenheimer vs Barbie. I will say that what was really amazing for me, is that they BOTH were able to achieve what they set out to achieve…

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They both ā€œworksā€ extremely well in their respective spectrum.

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On the other hand, it’s hard to see Barbie winning many major awards, while Oppenheimer is the prestige film of the year, so far.

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Fun discussions from back before I saw Barbie, that I predicted that it’ll be hard to reach 1billion, but it looks like it’ll be close… I love to be proven wrong on it… it’ll likely hit 1 billion, but hard to gauge how much beyond will it make before the end of the theatrical run.

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Gauging from my local multiplex… Barbie is still playing packed houses in all 9 screenings in my local cinema, Oppenheimer is playing 2 packed, 2 half, and 2 semi-empty theaters. Amazing performance achievements in their segments.

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Both has 2.5 weeks left, easily 50% more box office. Meaning Barbie will likely end up between 1.2 and 1.4 billion, while Oppenheimer is going to do 500 to 700million.

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They are both instant classics in my book.

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I’m too lazy to do performance charts, but from quick rough look at the numbers, they are almost identical curves.

gloomy portal
mild rune
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People say 2023 sucks for box office… but it just seems to me actually good films do get rewarded still… but the mid-tier and superhero stuff are much more penalized than before

kindred jackal
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I think a massive contribution is how silly expensive the films are being made for

mild rune
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Now, Dial of Destiny for 300mil… not so much

kindred jackal
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like, even with marketing, I think Dune came to $165 mil, or something

mild rune
kindred jackal
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you gotta wonder that's why they're thinking of delaying PArt 2

sturdy trench
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Many movies being over expensive is a huge problem in Hollywood.. like yes 300 million dollars for new Indy movie is ridiculous.. 250 million dollars for Flash and btw that's excluding marketing budget which in many cases is more than 100 million dollars.. so to even make a good profit they need more than 800 million dollars in many cases which simply isn't possible..

145 million dollars for Barbie is actually pretty good and I think the marketing is more than 100 million dollars.. also only 100 million dollars production budget for Oppenheimer

kindred jackal
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yeah, but the advertising budget for Barbie was worth every penny, it seems

mild rune
mild rune
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Both Barbie and Oppenheimer are ā€œwe spent the money in the right placesā€ films

sturdy trench
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Does it matter?? The flash made 268 million dollars worldwide

sturdy trench
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Horribly yes

vagrant ginkgo
karmic fox
pearl glen
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barbie

vagrant ginkgo
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No joke when I was in the cinema and they played the song at the end credits, I screamed all the lyrics

viral pecan
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was it me or was it mid

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i had way too high expectations

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film geek problems, cant enjoy movies as they are

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have to analyse every detail and find fault in everything

solar pagoda
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Thats a bad way to watch films

pearl glen
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barbie

atomic bone
viral pecan
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i saw greta gerwig, margot robbie, ryan gosling names

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and my expectation skyrocketed to infinity

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and now im inevitably disappointed

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perfectionist problems

desert stirrup
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Ngl before watching this film, I had a theory about Gloria. My theory was that she used to been a Barbie herself but then she went to the real world and realized that reality is unfair so she decided to move on from Barbieland to live in the real world to live a normal life. It turns out I was wrong she’s actually real person in the film not a former Barbie.

kindred jackal
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One of the many reasons I avoid trailers of films I want to see. I'll do a teaser, but anything longer than that just gives too much away or the wrong idea of what the film is.

sturdy trench
burnt flame
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||(Never seen it though)||

sturdy sandal
kindred jackal
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hmm. Not sure what to think when people call this film preachy.

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because I don't feel a woman articulating her experience of being a woman within the patriarchy is preachy

viral pecan
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i think its a good movie

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i just had way too high expectations

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due to the marketing, the cast, the director and so on

karmic fox
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But for the most part it’s well handled

kindred jackal
karmic fox
kindred jackal
karmic fox
kindred jackal
karmic fox
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A little preachy, kinda messed with the tone

kindred jackal
karmic fox
kindred jackal
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yeah, and I've only seen the film once. What specific bit of the speech did you find preachy?

karmic fox
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But I think it was to blunt for a film that had already made its point at that point in time

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The entire thing spelled out what was already understood up until the point

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Again it’s not bad, just a little preachy

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Still a good film, and I understood what it was trying to say

desert stirrup
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People thought Ryan gosling was too old for ken but he proved people wrong with his performance.

rugged dock
dusky bramble
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Why are you spamming this?

karmic fox
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ARE THEY

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IN RHE SAME UNIVERSE?!

rugged dock
dusky bramble
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Okay

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Why’d you send the same image twice in the span of two minutes

karmic fox
dusky bramble
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I’m literally just asking why

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Guess I’ll just include it with life’s greatest mysteries

karmic fox
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Yes

dusky bramble
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This was a top 5 most useless conversations I’ve ever had lol

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Kinda hope there’s no sequel, some things just don’t necessitate a follow up

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But given the billion dollar gross WB is gonna be fighting hard to get one

karmic fox
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You know how big company’s are

dusky bramble
karmic fox
dusky bramble
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studios will never let things lay ig they want more money out of it. Look at John Wick 4

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JOHN WICK 4 SPOILERS ||They legit killed the title guy off and Lionsgate execs are talking about a 5th as if that didnt even happen lol||

dusky bramble
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its so obnoxious lol

kindred jackal
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If the cast and crew have any sense they'll all refuse to do a sequel.

dusky bramble
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It sucks that WB is gonna be doing one no matter what, I can definitely see them going ā€œaight rebootā€ of the three say no

kindred jackal
viral pecan
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can someone do an oppenheimer barbie parallel

atomic bone
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Mattel hasn't done one ever since Disney screwed them over

kindred jackal
vagrant ginkgo
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Ken be like

viral pecan
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when 1b

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😭

gloomy portal
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Finally, reviewed

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P: Perfect! I: Incredible! N: Nice! K: Kooky! Barbie comes in with an instant modern classic. Blockbuster Rating: 100/100 Factoring in: - Writing: 10/10 - *Kenergy: 10/10 - Acting: 10/10 - Directing: 10/10 - Effects: 10/10 - Cinematography: 10/10 - Music: 10/10 - Design: 10/10 - Enjoyment: 10/10 - Attraction: 10/10 *Any rating marked with an ast...

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I hope Kenergy was a good description for its special score

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Its hard to describe what Barbie has

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Dances

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A beach off

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Patriarchy

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More dances

pearl glen
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i am the patricarchy

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the charliarchy

half plume
rugged dock
dusky bramble
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….it’s been like over 12 hours dude.

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It was just a really basic ā€œwhyā€, wasn’t that deep like Farmer had said. Seemed to be rather touchy for you however lol

glass tiger
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Barbie album is invading my spotify on repeat playlist

rugged dock
short hazel
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I don't even listen to the album, it just lives inside my head

glass tiger
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im gonna take a run sometime expressly to have speed drive playing while i do so

kindred jackal
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ngl, I actually hate most of the song on the soundtrack. Just not my jam.

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It's what I would call Gen Z music and that is not my genre.

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Of course, I'm Just Ken is great, as is What I'm Made For, and the other songs that are more part of the narrative (like, directly referencing what's on screen), but the rest is just a no from me.

glass tiger
kindred jackal
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It almost physically pains me to listen to them

glass tiger
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lol

kindred jackal
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I'm still trying to find just the score and not the soundtrack

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ah, here it is, only just got released

pearl glen
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who up barbing rn

spiral comet
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who up barbing they heimer

viral pecan
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they/them-heimer

whole rover
viral pecan
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Black Panther for women

sturdy trench
light dune
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Its barely been a month

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Barbie is about to cross a Billion

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and end up slowly creeping into being the highest grossing movie of all time ?

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3 weeks

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the train has not stopped

sonic saddle
sturdy trench
viral pecan
sturdy trench
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Barbie alone made over a billion dollars.. I don't think Babylon made much

sonic saddle
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Zoe Saldana made more with avatar and the GOGs.

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tho, not the lead. right.

dusky bramble
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That’s a meme image to highlight how Babylon was a bomb

sleek rampart
karmic fox
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IM JUST KEN

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WHEN I SEE LOVE SHE SEES A FRIEND...

spark socket
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Why did Barbie do very well in the box office?

karmic fox
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Number 1

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Barbenhimer helped alot

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Number 2 it's a popular IP

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So it was just the perfect storm

kindred jackal
sturdy trench
kindred jackal
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incredible word of mouth too

karmic fox
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But I think like

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The meme also played a role in the word of mouth

kindred jackal
sleek rampart
sturdy sandal
kindred jackal
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Glad the score proper is out now, not just the soundtrack

kindred jackal
sturdy trench
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Ryan Gosling sent Greta Gerwig a Barbie   flash mob for her birthday.

half plume
spiral comet
rich nexus
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What are the odds if there's an XXX parody?

sleek rampart
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100%

kindred jackal
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it's likely already been made, distributed, and made its money back

rich nexus
uncut flax
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Okay so, at the end of the movie Ken talks to Barbie and he basically reveals all his feelings for her, he really loves her and he's pouring his heart and soul out in a heartfelt confession and he says
"I only exist within the warmth of your gaze"
This quote caught my eye in particular, but even after this barbie doesn't accept him/his love
What do you guys think of this quote ?

sonic saddle
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He'll figure himself out.

karmic fox
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Goddam

sonic saddle
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?

sturdy trench
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Ya, this is old news

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I remember it was Tom cruise first who said on twitter that he was watching both Oppenheimer and Barbie and then Greta and Margot did it.. I don't recall Nolan doing this though

karmic fox
sturdy trench
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She's great

atomic bone
sonic saddle
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Right.

karmic fox
sonic saddle
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just passively agreeing

sturdy trench
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Makes sense

umbral cloak
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That’s not what MatPat said. Does that mean…it really is just a theory?

sturdy trench
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Probably yes and who's MatPat?

atomic bone
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A game theory

karmic fox
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In all seriousness I’m gonna say this again

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This film is proof that an IP movie doesn’t just have to be a commercial

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Like this could’ve easily played out like the Emoji movie or something. But thank Christ it didn’t, because it was helmed by a director that not only cared about this property but had something she wanted to say.

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And I thank Christ again that it made its money back, tenfold and is still soaring

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Everyone needs to take fucking notes, because Greta is preaching

bold merlin
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it was more of a commercial than the lego movie I thought

karmic fox
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I mean at multiple parts of the film they openly criticize the product

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And the company too

bold merlin
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but in that soft way where they still basically argue that you should buy more of it. It is more explicitlike

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just by reminding the audience that "you can buy this too"

karmic fox
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And in some cases lack there of

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Hell the whole point of the movie is pointing out how in some ways they haven’t forfillrd there products mission

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To inspire feminism in our modern world

bold merlin
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but they also explicitly say "we are aware of our shortcomings, surely that's enough? it's okay to buy more"

karmic fox
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Gonna need an example

karmic fox
bold merlin
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I mean at one point they say "make regular barbie" and the ceo goes "no" and then someone goes "it'll make a lot of money" and he stops himself and goes "Well then it's alright!"

It's a kind of... performative criticism. By saying "we are aware of our shortcomings and promise to improve and until we actually do improve just us promising to do so is enough for you to spend more"

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it's a fairly minor thing in the wider scope of the movie. But it left a bit of a sour aftertaste to me

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there's a sort of... resignation in front of the status quo to the whole movie

karmic fox
bold merlin
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but the satire is so toothless

karmic fox
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In fact the fact that they are selling products from the film proved Greta’s point

bold merlin
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and making loads of money while not actually doing anything to change their corporate structure. Which also proves the point

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It's the kind of "oh well, shucks" satire that... like south park tends to employ a lot

karmic fox
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Which is fine

bold merlin
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the film is mattel in many ways

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but as I said it's a fairly minor issue in the movie as a whole. Which still has a lot of stuff not related to that which are awesome

karmic fox
bold merlin
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it just adds to it :P

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it's "smash the patriarchy" and then adds "... and buy our stuff"

karmic fox
bold merlin
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no. It still means all the stuff it means. It just has the added bit at the end

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which is why it felt like a bit of a sour aftertaste but one I could happily swallow knowing that, in the end, it is a corporate product

karmic fox
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That’s like saying the commentary Oppenheimer provides on the nature of nuclear warfare is null because we still have nukes despite the film being released

karmic fox
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I really think you are misunderstanding that this film can still criticize the company, and make its point heard without said producer immediately changing they’re ways

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Like who knows

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Maybe down the road Mattel will actually hire a female CEO

bold merlin
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I just think it's not actually critizing the company it is... making excuses for it

bold merlin
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which is fine. Because after all the company had to sign off on it

karmic fox
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When does it justify what the company has done?

bold merlin
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it has an air of "this is not great, but also it's not that big of a deal"

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it does do this a lot even for some other stuff (like the gag about casting margot robbie)

karmic fox
bold merlin
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lampshading things

karmic fox
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ā€œWe’ve done slot of great things, but we’ve had a lot of problemsā€

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2 things can be true

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Barbie can have both inspired woman, while also isolating and degrading them

bold merlin
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yeah

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and the movie spends a lot of time pre-empting criticism by mentioning that "yes we're aware of these problematic things, now let's move on"

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but also in the end it's a kids' movie and I hope and think that it might have a bit of a lasting impact on some kids. Or at the very least make them use the word patriarchy more in the schoolyard :D

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like if we were to see my interpretation of it in a positive light it's that in the end it doesn't actually fix a lot of things (a lesser movie would have made Ferrera CEO in the end or something, implying that things have in fact "been fixed" in the real world and that the struggle is not ongoing). Instead this is a movie that might inspire kids to go "yes this is unfair and yes we do need to do something about it"

static shuttle
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I think that was a critical part of the films message, and to an extent I find Barbieland to be a metaphor for the imaginary world where these problems have been solved. The attitude is mostly gone, but more so the Obama era liberal explosion of we’ve won we are at the end of history, when the work isn’t actually completed. There’s just some lip service paid and if you squint it kinda looks like it’s solved. This tendency is still somewhat present, and worth examine tho imo

whole rover
glass tiger
kindred jackal
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I'd love to know where they think that is in the film

dusky bramble
#

Lebanon probably saw a picture of Ken in beach form and instantly decided it meant he was gay

kindred jackal
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On Wednesday, the Lebanese Culture Minister Mohammad Mortada asked the interior ministry to "take all necessary measures to ban" Barbie.

He said the film "promotes homosexuality and transsexuality… supports rejecting a father's guardianship, undermines and ridicules the role of the mother, and questions the necessity of marriage and having a family".```
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fucking backwards country

sonic saddle
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I question the necessity of marriage and having a family.

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Why surrender freedom?

agile ember
sonic saddle
copper fractal
gilded gazelle
#

I haven't seen this movie, but feel free to spoil away.

What ACTUALLY makes this movie good and worthwhile to see opposed to Oppenheimer?

kindred jackal
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it's a take down of the patriarchy and toxic masculinity

sonic saddle
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Message about the usefullness of both genders in society.

kindred jackal
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It's also very silly and fun

sonic saddle
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Oh yeah

gilded gazelle
#

Unless you're joking.

kindred jackal
gilded gazelle
#

But yeah, Morpho's argument is definitely more compelling; no offense to you.

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I might consider watching it some time, but definitely not gonna pay some money just to do so.

kindred jackal
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why, are you an "alpha male" with a fragile ego? šŸ˜„ /j

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Barbie is bags of fun, very funny, and has a great message about equality

gilded gazelle
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I only hope it'll be worth my time when I give it a try. I just have a taste for the darker and more serious stuff with Disney being the nostalgic exception, as hypocritical that might sound.

atomic bone
#

It's just a fun movie

agile ember
#

My paycheck told me barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts

copper fractal
karmic fox
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Really interesting concept, like it’s not how you think it would play out.

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And it’s an actually decent tackle of feminist themes.

latent viper
#

Barbie is not accurate. Mattel has female board members today. Why did they lie?

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Why do films have to be political?

glass tiger
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its surreal satire.

karmic fox
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Buddy

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You’re missing the point

crystal bane
sonic saddle
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Havent had a good racing movie in awhile.

crystal bane
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Because the uniqueness of the movie is about the art and not the ip

latent viper
dusky bramble
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well your first issue is citing Bill Maher as an authority on anything lol

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He's literally actuallying a fucking Barbie movie, how old is he

latent viper
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My issue with the film is how it depicts the real world.

atomic bone
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Even Joe Rogan said the anti-men backlash for Barbie is stupid

latent viper
#

Mattel as a company has women on their board today.

latent viper
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And also all men are not patriarchal in real life. The real world in the film omits the good men in the real world.

dusky bramble
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because its making a point, it's utilizing fiction to make a statement about real issues regardless if IRL Mattel has women on the board. Maher is being purposefully obtuse.

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it would be liked slamming the film for having WIll Ferrell as the CEO because Will isn't actually the CEO of Mattel

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just a useless anecdote to further the anti-woke bullshit the likes of Maher, Shapiro, Crowder, etc have invested time into inciting

kindred jackal
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Mate, I'd advise against engaging with this guy.

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you will only end up going in circles

dusky bramble
#

its a real shame thats how most discourse goes nowadays

sturdy trench
#

People are still having this debate

dusky bramble
#

hard to find a place where it's genuinely fun to discuss film or tv without it devolving into bullshit about "wokeness" or whatever the current buzzword is

sturdy trench
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Ya, some people just wanna politicise everything and not treat it as just movie.. honesty it's useless having any discussions with such people

kindred jackal
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Also, some people do not understand satire and trying to explain it to them is fruitless

sturdy trench
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Absolutely

dusky bramble
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guess its one way for them to admit they have nothing insightful to say about the film or to avoid being fullchested about their specific bigotry depending on the film

atomic bone
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Yeah ignore him. He will continued to post the most pointless insecure sentiments and nothing will changed him

copper fractal
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But yk I’m just gonna drop this video bcs I think if anyone wants to argue about the message in the Barbie movie should maybe reconsider and watch this

whole rover
sturdy trench
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First China and now Saudi Arabia, quite interesting

flint anvil
sleek rampart
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Let's go Party

Motherf....

flint anvil
whole rover
copper fractal
#

Residual money šŸŽ‰

atomic bone
#

Brian Cox is in the box baby

dusky bramble
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i saw that pic in a pretty great Succession meme but cant share it cause spoilers for that show

plucky shadow
#

barbie was ok

whole rover
atomic bone
#

He's not Kenough

flint anvil
sonic saddle
#

Doesent need to be Kenough. He's the Kwizats Haderach.

whole rover
whole rover
flint anvil
uncut fjord
plucky shadow
glass tiger
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Third rewatch.

latent viper
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Barbie is ruling the box office world.

copper fractal
crystal bane
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I hate that they r putting it on digitally early, it shows WB originally didnt have faith in the success of this film

sturdy trench
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I doubt that as they could have changed digital release date later as well and I think by September 5 it would have made all the money it can

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There's still 2 weeks left

crystal bane
sturdy trench
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Each movie is different

kindred jackal
sleek rampart
kindred jackal
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very true

copper fractal
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Especially announcing that BEFORE it stopped showing

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Makes people want to stay at home and wait for streaming services

kindred jackal
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well, they probably looked at the box office numbers and decided it was time to announce it

sleek rampart
spark lagoon
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Finally watched it

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Saw it twice in two days

half plume
whole rover
sonic saddle
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No stopping it, is there.

kindred jackal
copper fractal
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WHY DON’T WE HAVE BARBENHEIMER BATH BOMBS

sleek rampart
vagrant ginkgo
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I saw this being self promo’d in another server and bro was spitting

kindred jackal
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Might be going to see this again in less than 2 weeks, if it's still showing. My Mum wants to see it, but won't go alone, and my dad isn't interested, which is a shame.

celest bluff
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I had a similar experience with my parents

flint crag
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i'm planning to rewatch it tomorrow

copper fractal
prisma granite
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YO THEY RELEASE THE ORIGINAL SCORE???

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I deadass did not expect them to wtf

kindred jackal
prisma granite
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I didn't even realize this lol

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And I really liked the score too

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For both Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt's first film score, it's surprisingly great

light dune
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THIS MOVIE IS STUNNING

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IT WONT STOP

mild rune
# pearl glen also lfg my fav barbie

Me too, outside of the main Barbie that is… I don’t know what the whole trans outcry was all about… she did a great job and that should be all that matters

pearl glen
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any barbie can be a trans barbie lets be fr

mild rune
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I kinda thought that it’s pointless to make a trans Barbie since they are all technically sexless really lol

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So I decided not to say that…