Secret Invasion

[dusk lagoon]

I went through the whole clone wars/ bad batch malarkey.

[trail sierra]

TEAH

NY GIRL

WOOOO

[tame sonnet]

I love Scorsese and his movies but he's from a different time.. some directors will never love marvel movies and it's fine.

[trail sierra]

I guess

[tame sonnet]

And btw.. Marvel also learn their lessons like they figured that they were producing too much stuff.. hence now it's only 3 shows and 3 movies per year

[dusk lagoon]

its enough, if the result is good.

[wet sun]

also i think there is multiple franchises that can do this interconnected thing
Marvel, Star Wars and DC are the obvious but i can also see other franchises giving it a go (after a reboot for some) like Harry Potter, Transformers, LotR + GoT etc

[tame sonnet]

Regarding comparison.. look at this.. the only DCEU movie that's even in top 10 of marvel is Aquaman and btw the bottom 5 of MCU movies will be in top 10 of DCEU movies

[wet sun]

as far as im aware GoT is pretty much on the verge of it, 2 shows so far with another 3 planned

[tame sonnet]

Oh absolutely but do they have enough stories like marvel or DC?? Both of these franchises have been since since decades with so many stories.

[wet sun]

lets see
Harry Potter? some can be made/yes
Lord of the rings? some can be made
Transformers? certainly yes
Game Of Thrones? rr martin seems to think so

i think it is easier for comic originating franchises over book, film and tv originating franchises

[tame sonnet]

Yes, just some and it is fine like not every franchises has decades worth of storytelling.. and people will get tired eventually like with walking dead

[wet sun]

i think the difference is there is only so much you can do with zombies

[tame sonnet]

Yup

[dusk lagoon]

Harry Potter already tried with Fantastic beasts, to...mixed results.

[wet sun]

where as massive sentient robots who turn into stuff? unique and shit tons of possiblities

[wet sun]

reboot show coming soon

[dusk lagoon]

Amazon with LOTR.

[wet sun]

amazon is absolutely dead set on making LotR into a big multi-film/show franchise

[tame sonnet]

Ah yes

[wet sun]

even if RoP was shite (idk havent watched, maybe never will)

but i think the big one in my head is transformers

i think if they got their head together and actually tried

so many posibilities

[dusk lagoon]

LOTR should have ended with Aragorn telling the Hobbits: "My friends...! You bow to no one."

[wet sun]

also stuff like avatar (air bending one not blue people one) and TMNT

[dusk lagoon]

Reboot for air bending incoming.

amd TMNT movie on the horizon

[wet sun]

they have like 3 spin off shows planned and a show about the next avatar after korra as well as the netflix live action thing

[dusk lagoon]

Cant be worse than Shyamalan.

[wet sun]

they tried with jurassic park/world but there is only so much you can do with "dinosaurs in a park/island) franchises basic premises need to be vague

"superheros" is vague "zombie apocolypse on earth" isnt

thats why marvel is still alive and kicking and walking dead isnt

only so many zombies before its just the same thing

they also have to be interesting, like "sentient robots that can turn into stuff"

i think thats why fantasy, sci-fi and superheros are so big, because they can be vague but interesting

[dusk lagoon]

I wanna see a legit "Electric Sheep" series, with complete fidelity to the book, none of the Blade runner stuff.

[wet sun]

also i dont think we need established franchises to make something big. all it takes is someone with a good idea for a franchise and boom something else. once apon a time transformers didnt exist but it was a cool idea and worked and now we have it

[dusk lagoon]

I have something like that at the back of my mind.

[wet sun]

honestly dude make it

netflix will eat that shit up

[dusk lagoon]

Too expensive. Has magic, martial arts, dimensional travels, gods, cyborgs, princesses, animal-people...love and multiple generations of characters...

[wet sun]

yeah maybe start with a smaller premise

[dusk lagoon]

still wish i could find something to get that saga out of my head. Writing a book seems too...dull. There needs to be images.

[nova umbra]

disney+ drops episodes at midnight pst

so about 3 hours

[rugged jackal]

Is it Wednesday already? Blah I’m getting too old, have to sleep now even if it’s only 30min away

[fast kestrel]

Episode 2

[high marten]

It was an episode

Was nice

[warm storm]

Why ep 2 starts with recap of Captain Marvel (without Danvers noticeably)

But not the first? 😒

[spare relic]

Prolly because this ep had a flashback scene.

[warm storm]

anyway, Colman is lovely, but everything else is just boring, I'm out

the show is called Secret Invasion yet there is hardly a moment when we question who is faking it, they immediately show who's who

[tame sonnet]

Absolutely loved episode 2, much better than episode 1 which was pretty good itself. Sam Jackson is once again fantastic and his scenes with both ||Talos and Rhodey are great||, the plan is coming into motion as well and quite a interesting reveal at the end regarding ||Fury's wife being a Skrull||

[glossy vault]

Ending of episode 2 was intense! I have high hopes for the rest of the show!

[wet sun]

when gravik said he has a plan for the avengers, do you think that means we will see the whole fake avengers fighting and inlutrating real ones like in the comics?

[normal topaz]

Aren't like 80% of the avengers gone anyway

Iron man dead, Thor is with his kid, Black Widow dead, Hulk is on his own somewhere, Cap dead

The Guardians are split up. No idea where they are

Carol is somewhere else rn

Depending on The Marvels that's probs gonna change

Wait didn't they say Secret Invasion would lead into The Marvels?

[warm storm]

so far they cut Captaim MArvel movie flashback in a way you won't even see her shoulder 😄

[rugged jackal]

And wasn’t The Hulk being called by the Skulls to do something in SheHulk?

[autumn sable]

He never said he has a plan for them, he said he has considered their intervention. I think one of them will show up but not more.

[long wigeon]

better episode than the first one, but I think this one is going to be a slow build

I do like the whole 'spy well past his prime' angle though

and Olivia Coleman is always a delight.

[valid escarp]

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This was weird

[long wigeon]

Brixton was an interesting choice for the flashback. I'm going to assume they were maybe aiming for some Windrush connection?

[fierce gust]

this was a little better and closer to what i wanted out of the first episode

[fierce gust]

i doubt it hits the scale of a full blown avengers vs avengers finale, but i figure that, by the end of this, rhodey is joined by at least 1 or 2 costumed hero

[tame sonnet]

I don't think any Avengers are gonna be involved in this show but the scale of the threat certainly is huge

I also think the blip exacerbated the problem with Skrulls and that's how ||nearly a million of them came to Earth ||

[tame sonnet]

Little bit of humour in a serious show

Nick fury spoke one of the biggest truth bombs when he talked about ||humans fighting among themselves and that humans and skrulls can't co exist together||

I also think the blip played a much bigger role as well

[dusk lagoon]

am i the only one thinking they did a decent job de-aging Fury?

[tame sonnet]

I think so too

[hallow bane]

DAMN

||HILL REALLY IS DEAD?||

||They gave her a funeral and everything!||

[tame sonnet]

Yup ||She is ||

[dusk lagoon]

Could be an elaborate coverup.

Never know with SHIELD.

[tame sonnet]

First ||SHIELD is dead and I don't think they will go this length of having a funeral and then say she lived.. plus she is not central to this series, fury is ||

[dusk lagoon]

ooo, they even let us see the bone in the finger. Nice.

Hard to believe Sam L. is 74.

Long illustrious career.

[autumn sable]

I'm gonna be honest Rhodey looked like a sell out in this episode, it feels like his old connection with Fury would be more important than his job.

[glacial bear]

Fury's been gone awhile, so I guess it makes sense

Maria Hill touched on it in the pub scene from episode 1, how he just kinda left

even then, I really dont think Rhodes and Fury had any sort of one to one interaction since....shit maybe Iron Man 2?

[warm storm]

Rhodey was always kool-aid guy tho

[fierce gust]

rhodey has always been written as a by the books officer.

his rank also means hes in a more political and command position than say, captain america, where captain is a rather low rank of officer rarely having purview beyond the typical unit level.

colonels in the army/air force are equivalent in rank to captain in the navy, and the highest rank possible before a flag officer (generals/admirals)

[fair kelp]

I feel like Rhodey felt off this episode but I keep writing off all the weird chemistry as secret Skrull interactions

I’m a bit confused about Everett Ross although I am guessing his real body is taken captive with Gravik and Talos just took on his appearance bcs one of Gravik’s guys (embodied as Ross) were taken out

[long wigeon]

nah, Rhodey felt fine to me. Without Tony about, he's reverted to his very safe, following commands, answering to the higher-ups self.

[brazen veldt]

Wait I am confused. In Wakanda Forever ||didn’t they take Ross to Wakanda at the end?||

Or is the timeline of events not as I thougjt

What’s the point of having a fake Ross in the beginning then lol

[hallow bane]

Because its an obvious twist to set you up

We know Ross is gone

But the world doesn’t

[dusk lagoon]

I like the direction this series is going, with the torture and all.

And the seriousness.

Proper espionnage flick.

[tame sonnet]

Yes it is

[leaden narwhal]

nah, MCU sucks

[glacial bear]

Tomato man coming in with a room temperature take

[plain blade]

Why even come in here if you don't like the MCU lmao

[tame sonnet]

Exactly, what's the point?? Don't watch MCU if you hate it that much, it doesn't mean others shouldn't like it too

[trail sierra]

Don’t agree

At all

I mean I know we’re not at the highest point

But they’ve been putting out bangers for a good 10 years

[dusk lagoon]

15 to be precise.

[trail sierra]

My bad

[fierce gust]

hes broken out of prison but where he goes next is up in the air

[dusk lagoon]

I wasnt angry at you, i was just trying to help.

[trail sierra]

Oh ok

[wet sun]

honestly i was surprised when they mentioned about hydra

i havent heard hyrdra mentioned since The Winter Soldier and civil war

it feels as if they where a thing then all of a sudden they're not important in the mcu anymore

[trail sierra]

I guess they’re dying out

[dusk lagoon]

Oh, you never know...with that Fontaine bitch in the picture.

[trail sierra]

True

[dusk lagoon]

John Walker might unwittingly end up being Captain Hydra. Wouldnt that be a bitch.

[wet sun]

nah TFATWS made it very clear john isnt a villain

as much as people on twitter wish he was

he's a good man trying to do the right thing, just in the wrong way

hes essentially super toned down punisher

[dusk lagoon]

John Walker is also mentally unstable. Something that was blown outta proportion by the serum.

[gilded ginkgo]

New episode is in 15 min right?

[brazen veldt]

I hope Ep 3 is better. The first two weren’t bad but they haven’t been memorable to me, after a bit of time to simmer.

Definitely nice to have a slow burn thriller though.

[fast kestrel]

Jesus

This is genuinely my least favourite of all the shows

[warm storm]

I'm not a fan of slow burn thrillers anyway, and this is the most middliest slow burn thriller ever

[fast kestrel]

It’s such a fucking like

Kids version of a thriller

[warm storm]

you're allowed to stop watching ;P

[fast kestrel]

You’d think but I want to be able to understand the other stuff coming out after

[warm storm]

watch Rubicon, that show was a banger

[fast kestrel]

I’ve watched so many good thriller shows and movies and when you do that it just makes stuff like this so much worse

[normal topaz]

||Damn they killed off G’iah||

That was fast

[brazen veldt]

Spoiler tags <3

[warm storm]

they fridged ||Fury's wife|| in 1 episode?

[normal topaz]

Can’t say I’m a fan of this show

[fast kestrel]

It is a spoiler channel tbf

[brazen veldt]

Im honestly not either the more i think of it

Im fine with slow burn and can love that but these first two episodes had a lot of boring

[fast kestrel]

It’s genuinely at the very bottom of my rankings list

For the Marvel shows

[normal topaz]

I’m all for slow burns but man it just feels like nothing is happening, despite a lot happening

[warm storm]

I wish somebody cut all scenes with Colman an uploaded them to YT so i can watch them without the rest of the show

[brazen veldt]

Below She-Hulk?

[fast kestrel]

I’m so disappointed because I was really excited

Yep

This is shit

[brazen veldt]

Wow

[warm storm]

She-Hulk had some genuinly good moments

[fast kestrel]

But obviously you need to know what happens at the end to understand Armor Wars and Ironheart and when their characters appear in movies and The Marvels and whatever

[normal topaz]

She hulk actually felt like a tv show

[fast kestrel]

Yeah She Hulk had at least something going for it

This literally hasn’t done anything competently

Bad editing bad score bad directing bad acting bad script

Actually the worst they’ve released yet

[normal topaz]

I dunno about acting

[brazen veldt]

She-Hulk would’ve been pretty good if it had better writing
I do like the actress though, her performance
It had fun moments too, yeah.

[fast kestrel]

Yeah the acting is terrible

[warm storm]

it desperetly needed better editing

[fast kestrel]

Which is just a sign of real bad directing because how do you have a roster of great actors and they pull performances like this

[normal topaz]

I’m just so confused on how they made Secret Invasion boring

[warm storm]

how? they just tell you everything that is happening

[normal topaz]

Apparently the actual comic run wasn’t that great either? But they could’ve at least made it interesting

[warm storm]

there is no Secret

[fast kestrel]

This episode 3 is just the worst

I’m even seeing the communities turning on it now

That was a masterclass in what not to do

[brazen veldt]

Andor did slow burn on a normally (mostly) high octane franchise a lot better than Secret Invasion is doing

[normal topaz]

Like when Skrulls were straight up replacing avengers that shit was gnarly

Secret Invasion feels like an Andor attempt lol and it’s not working

[fast kestrel]

I’m willing to accept that it isn’t as big as the comics yk

Like smaller stakes okay sure

But actually be good

[brazen veldt]

honestly i dont care to watch it tell me what happened lol with spoiler tags

i work tonight so wont see with family anyway

[fast kestrel]

Literally nothing happened

[normal topaz]

Andor actually had a full season of 12 episodes dude like

[fast kestrel]

Apart from at the end with G’iah died

But she definitely didn’t die because they’ll reveal in the next episode she switched out or something

[normal topaz]

It’s literally the problem The Falcon and Winter Soldier had

[brazen veldt]

I wish i could rememebr who this was lmao

[fast kestrel]

Emilia Clarke

[normal topaz]

Seems like the show isn’t too divorced from fridging characters though so idk

[fast kestrel]

Literally nobody cares if she really is dead

It’s all so manufactured

Nobody actually has any chemistry

[brazen veldt]

Ohhh her.

[fast kestrel]

Fury and Talos got on so well in Captain Marvel

Now when they’re arguing in this show it’s so forced

[normal topaz]

The only character I remotely care about is Talos LMAO

[brazen veldt]

Isn’t she a kid like-
jeez have some sympathy lol

[normal topaz]

Not even Fury is holding me

[brazen veldt]

oh those scenes sucked in ep 2 lol

[fast kestrel]

Even worse in 3

[normal topaz]

I just hope it picks up man, they got three more episodes to rectify this

[fast kestrel]

We’re halfway in and it’s this

Seems a bit too far gone

[brazen veldt]

Oh shit this one’s only 6 too?

Damn, they gave She-Hulk 9 lol and that wasn’t no slow burn thriller

[normal topaz]

Yeah it’s the shortest marvel series so far

It should’ve been a movie

[warm storm]

She-Hulk was only half hour tho

[fast kestrel]

She hulk was a sitcom tbf

[brazen veldt]

true

[warm storm]

This is 50+ min so far

[brazen veldt]

honestly she hulk woulda been better with more court

[fast kestrel]

It’s sad for me because I actually enjoy superhero stuff typically and I was really looking forward to this

[brazen veldt]

Like give us more of that superhero legal dramedy

[fast kestrel]

It’s the first time I’ve felt like watching an Mcu project has been a chore

This is literally terrible

[brazen veldt]

Marvel just stick to making love and thunder type shit
its honestly at least stupid enough to be entertaining lol
This is just boring and messy.

I would legit take the stupid dumb crap over this

[fast kestrel]

Well I’ve at least enjoyed watching them even if I didn’t enjoy the movies themselves like in LAT case

But this is just like

I can’t even enjoy just the act of watching it

Really bad

[brazen veldt]

Honestly just dont at this point

just google episode summaries or check here at that point

[fast kestrel]

I wish I could take it in as well from summaries

[brazen veldt]

I feel like this show also isnt leaving any mystery up to the viewer.

We learn too fast who the Skrulls are

Is that just me

[fast kestrel]

Well that’s true but even that I can see past

I don’t care what they actually do as long as it’s good

When they all turn into Gravik it literally sounds like a sad circus trumpet

[brazen veldt]

What the heck lol

[tame sonnet]

3rd episode was fantastic, loved every bit of it.. the thriller aspect, Talos and Fury relationship, some flashbacks too..

Also ||I don't really think Giah is dead, definitely looked like it though||

And the namedrop ||Super Skrulls||

[fast kestrel]

Of course you loved it

[wet sun]

Really liked this 3rd episode. Definitely liking it more than anything from marvel last year

[boreal plaza]

this show is kinda lame now that were halway done

[glacial bear]

Man, there was so many story editors credited on this episode lol

Disney needs to stop making things that should’ve been movies into stretched out shows

This was the killer for the Obi Wan show too

[high marten]

[dusk lagoon]

Too fast? It took like 3 movies to set them up.

[glacial bear]

This show is show run by someone who wrote for Mr. Robot, I was really hoping for something more interesting

[wet sun]

I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far.

[fierce gust]

marvel keeps doing this thing where they dont quite hire a writers room

they avoid the term "showrunner" for reasons that escape me, prefer the term "head writer" and model things after movies over tv

and its not great! these shows all feel like they lack an arc because they get produced and filmed like a 6 hour movie

[fast kestrel]

Because everyone refuses to accept this being put in their name

They don’t want this on their showrunner record

[boreal plaza]

they need to change it up

[tame sonnet]

After Episode 3, it does look confirmed that ||Rhodey is indeed a Skrull esp with that phonecall to Varra at the end.. I think he was replaced recently ||

[dusk lagoon]

The whole "we did that" bit was nice.

I dare say i consider it good writing.

[tame sonnet]

Absolutely

[normal topaz]

Yeah that was a well written bit

[dusk lagoon]

Was Rhodey in Ep 3? Musta missed it.

[tame sonnet]

No he wasn't but he was the one ||on the phone at the end talking with Fury's wife||

[gusty flower]

let me say I haven't watched episode 3 yet, but that scene in episode two with Rhodes and Nick was one of the best dialogue pieces the MCU has had since the end of the infinity saga

goddamn

them both dropping the ''BROTHER''

marvel really tried to get realistic with this one

and I loved it

not every dialogue scene has been well edited or directed in these past few episodes, but this one was and it was done to great effect

[fair kelp]

I’m actually sad about that

[fair kelp]

I agree that it was pretty intense

[long wigeon]

Was he?

[tame sonnet]

I think he was yes

[fierce gust]

what do the subtitles say

[tame sonnet]

Nothing

[nocturne trail]

Marvel had NO right to do that to Maria Hill! Cobie Smulders is PRECIOUS

[warm storm]

I bet she asked for that so people stop asking her when is her next Marcel project :l

[long wigeon]

becasue she's just swamped with other work....

[rugged jackal]

Haven’t watched ep 2 and 3, due to busy life… any worth yet?

[rugged jackal]

Marvel taking cues from GOT is… probably not good lol

[long wigeon]

so far, it's done very little to differentiate it's plot from FATWS

[rugged jackal]

FATWS?

[long wigeon]

Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[rugged jackal]

Ouch

[long wigeon]

It's all terrorist groups and global threat

[rugged jackal]

That’s probably my least favorite MCU serial… even worse than She Hulk, which wife enjoyed and I liked

[brazen veldt]

Same

FATWS is bottom for me

[long wigeon]

I liked She-Hulk for being genuinely different. It had it's cringe moments, espcially with the CGI, but I'd like a second series that does more with the courtroom/legal aspect

FATWS was such a mess. A whole missing plotline, truly terrible pacing, and did nothing with the good characters it had.

[warm storm]

At least when She-Hulk was cringe, it was was cringe BECAUSE it was written as cringe

[long wigeon]

I liked it for being a mundane superhero show. She's not off saving the world, she just wants to live her life.

[warm storm]

Does she need work? Her residuals for HIMYM are great anyway

[long wigeon]

Who knows? Maybe she's just happy being a parent right now

[warm storm]

not like her part was anything more than glorified redshirt in 13 years since Avengers

[long wigeon]

Maybe, but it was nice to see a recurring non-powered, not in charge person in the Marvel universe.

[fierce gust]

i liked she hulk for being more like normal tv

im so tired of these shows that feel like 6 hour movies

[long wigeon]

yes. Only She-Hulk and WandaVisin have ever resembled actual TV shows

I have no idea why the writers seem to be so adverse to 5 act structures and 45 minute run times.

[autumn sable]

The feeling of disconnection from the rest of the MCU really hurts this show for me. It really feels like the Netflix shows all over again. I hope I'm proven wrong till the end of the season and there is some foundation laid so the events of this show are important and are even mentioned in the movies somehow. I think the MCU different narratives have gotten so wide you cannot possibly keep adequately referencing most things in all of the properties like you could do in Phase 1 MCU (Thor's hammer, Hulk destruction etc. etc.)

[boreal plaza]

"man on the phone"

[tame sonnet]

How so?? I mean, Talos is from Captain marvel movie and the blip has had an impact here as well. Not everything that has happened in MCU movies will be referenced in this show because it is not possible.

I also think, its a super bad idea for MCU to make their shows so important that casual movie goers have to watch shows to understand their movies. That would lead to even more people not watching MCU movies. With past MCU movies, in many cases you could just watch it standalone.

For me, what I want is a good movie or a TV show that's all, if there are some references that's great but that's not the main thing I'm looking for. MCU is a huge place and not everything can be referenced.

[dusk lagoon]

Comic books are made the same way, except there's a note that tells you: "see this comic issue whatever"

So i guess they're building their universe kinda like a great big comic book arc.

Its the way i see anyhow, just an opinion.

[autumn sable]

It's true its almost exactly like comic books but it didn't used to be that way everything was much more direct and I'm worried that they're losing the feeling of interconnection they used to have. Ofc though The Marvels will probably have a bunch of references to this one but it might be a one time thing because of Fury.

[tame sonnet]

There's still quite a bit of interconnection but once again, you can't have so much interconnection that people won't even understand a movie.

A lot of MCU movies are more or less standalones, yes there are many references and stuff but people who have never watched a MCU movie could understand it. If that changes and people have to do homework to watch a MCU movie, they just won't bother. There are over 30 movies now.

[dusk lagoon]

I'm sure there are alot of people that have followed from the start.

I think...

[tame sonnet]

Yes there are but many more who haven't and what about the young ones who have only started watching movies?

[dusk lagoon]

Well, they can start from the beginning. Would take less than 15 years and they'd end up catching up inevitably. Sorry for saying that those who have followed from the start have an advantage.

Its like anything, sometimes it requires some work.

[fast kestrel]

Well that’s the thing

Some people don’t want to do that

[dusk lagoon]

Then they'll be as lost in comics as they are in the MCU.

Its not that herculean a task to catch up to the MCU. It isnt One Piece.

You could start by watching recaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygqqzBH_YR0

[tame sonnet]

If you tell the audience, hey you have a homework to watch 30 movies and then few TV shows before watching a movie, then people won't bother. Trick here is to make a MCU movie that anyone can watch and then they may love it and go back and watch others. There are people whose first MCU movie was infinity war and then they went back and watched other movies.

Not every casual moviegoer is a MCU super fan.

[long wigeon]

Or been old enough since 2008 to watch them

[tame sonnet]

Yes

[dusk lagoon]

So start from the beginning instead of jumping in the middle. Do it at your own pace.

MCU's an ongoing narrative.

It doesent have a reason, narratively, to dissociate itself from itself.

People who dont wanna research what came before in the MCU, they missed the concept, and will be in the dark about certain things. Simple as that.

[tame sonnet]

That's certainly true and I will always recommend people to check out MCU from the start.. 30 movies is a lot but it can be watched in a few months time easy

[fierce gust]

the MCU breaks about every convention known to man on movie franchise filmmaking in terms of duration and frequency, so everything here also becomes wildly out of sync with the norms the audience is used to

even star wars, the grand poobah of all of these, has even now with all the tv shows never really been written where theres say specific events that get mentioned all the time as if they are common knowledge

[fast kestrel]

Quite a selfish expectancy though isn’t it

[warm storm]

Idk, to me it's like picking Return of the King from shelf then complaining they don't understand what's going on 🤷‍♂️ you can't have ongoing story and make every title in void, it defeats the whole purpose of having shared universe

[dusk lagoon]

I didnt mean it like that. Its just to me, the MCU's always been a journey. An awesome journey from beginning to ongoing step. And now that they've decided to slow down the pace, everyone can join in and catch up at their own pace and realize how much of a crazy undertaking it is to have the same universe going for as long as it has.

I'm not trying to fight, just stating a personal belief.

[fierce gust]

please dont dump your self promotion here

[trail sierra]

@quaint orchid This guy is self promoting

[dusk lagoon]

You guys mean me?

[warm storm]

it was deleted

[dusk lagoon]

Oh,ok. I missed it. My bad.

[trail sierra]

Nah you good.

[spring quail]

is t time to end the mcu or at least reboot it

i find myself asking what does nick fury even do

[glacial bear]

it aint ending unless they have a financial reason to

[warm storm]

oops Kang wiped our universe we have to start over

[dusk lagoon]

It would still be an ongoing narrative if they do that.

Just another universe in the multiverse.

[gilded ginkgo]

Ever since wandavision and Loki all the Disney Plus shows been mid asf. I do like this more than TFATWS tho

Moon knight for example was one of the most promising but then that camera work and action was horrible

[fast kestrel]

https://beamstart.com/news/disney-shells-out-212-million-16888201635707

[trail sierra]

No regrets at all

Don’t @

[normal topaz]

Better episode than last weeks, but wtf was that acting from Samuel L.Jackson near the end lol

[vagrant ether]

😭

I am shooketh

[rugged jackal]

Better than Ring of Power acting… that stuff is my new bar of “actors getting conflicting acting direction”

[tame sonnet]

Solid 4th episode but again too short. As I guessed ||Giah is indeed a super skrull and they are immune to bullets||, the end ||Sad to see Talos die, loved his relationship with Fury||.. this episode had good action too

[high marten]

I think now thats its 4 eps in Im into it now

[brazen veldt]

||they’re addicted to killing all supporting chars lol||

[fierce gust]

yeah its feeling sorta weightless

[ebon cedar]

Is the show going to be 6 episodes too

Wait a minute. I’m just now thinking, does this show take place before
The marvels or after?

Remember how Kamala disappeared from her room, and captain marvel appeared?

[ebon cedar]

Maybe they have no place in future marvel projects

[ebon cedar]

Tdatws?

[dusk lagoon]

Good episode this week.

So...||Is the real Rhodes hooked up to one of those Skrull brain machines or something?||

[boreal plaza]

haha 3/4 of the episodes ending has been someone getting shot

this show is missing the main thing its selling bruh

theres no paranoia.. rhodey skrull reveal is so lame, the final fight was really engaging tho its def better than last episdoe

next week furys wife gets shot
next next week president getss shot

[high marten]

Yeah it’s lacking sort of uniqueness or personality that gives it like a sense of colour

There actually has been some potential now, it’s just that the show hasn’t done anything lively to give itself soul or fully executed it’s potential

[boreal plaza]

i think imo its safe to say what the final battle will be

it's gonna be gravik vs giah

[high marten]

And Fury and Priscilla’s conversation was actually nice but then just felt like it moved too quick like the flashback happened then 3 minutes then we got to callback to the flashback almost immediately that it removed any purpose of the flashback

[high marten]

Cgi super skrull battle woooooo

[fierce gust]

hes building the space station and its operational in the marvels

most MCU stuff you can safely watch in release order

[dusk lagoon]

Gravik: "Are we to be two immortals locked in an epic battle until Judgment Day and trumpets sound?" G'iah:" Or you could surrender.

[long wigeon]

God, I'm so bored of all this

There's no set up. They seem to just expect the audience to care about these characters without putting in any work.

and a 30 minute episode? Yet another example of terrible pacing and the total lack of understanding of how you're supposed to write a TV story.

JUST DO NORMAL TV and stop making 6 hour films!!!

[glacial bear]

Yeah I hate this fluctuation of length D+ shows seem to have

[gilded ginkgo]

Falcon and the winter soldier

[nova umbra]

https://twitter.com/jbromovies/status/1679668032707375104

joe broppenheimer (@jbromovies)

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[long wigeon]

It's true

[ebon cedar]

This show better be a set up to something bigger.

[dusk lagoon]

Somebody find the real Rhodey and get him a suit.

[tame sonnet]

There was a movie called Armor wars on development I think and on hindsight I think it would have been better if we had that movie ||where Rhodey was a Skrull infiltrating US govt|| and then Secret invasion.

[fierce gust]

nah this actually fits with how armor wars worked in the comics, where tony had his designs stolen, and later went rogue

[trail sierra]

I think I’m the only one not watching this show lol

[rugged jackal]

I got bored, and will wait till it all come out to quick binge it i think

[rugged jackal]

Was originally a show, now it’s retooled into a movie… originally planned for late next year, but with the strikes, it might be sometime 2025 before we get to it.

[tame sonnet]

Only 2 weeks left, binge the whole thing.

[trail sierra]

Is it any good?

I’ve been hearing mid things about it

[tame sonnet]

Speaking for me, yes it is but still 2 episodes left.

You are gonna find range of opinions on this though.

[trail sierra]

I also saw this….

[tame sonnet]

Ya I know.. this is funny.

[trail sierra]

What?

[tame sonnet]

The video

[trail sierra]

Oh yeah it is 😏

[tame sonnet]

She's really good in the show too.

[trail sierra]

Alright

I’ll give it a watch

[fast kestrel]

It’s really really bad

Definitely the worst show so far

[trail sierra]

You fr?

Damn

[tame sonnet]

That's what subjectivity of shows means, you gotta watch for yourself and then decide.

[glacial bear]

I wouldn’t say out and out bad but it just fails to make its premise have Wright because they waited to put it down during a massive change up in the MCU where older characters are being retired and this aren’t around to be utilized or are busy elsewhere

Rhodey wasn’t that developed prior, same with Hill pr Talos or Everett Ross so any reveals, stakes, etc for those characters really have no meat

We don’t know Gaia or any other new character so why should we care if they’re to be trusted?

If you were to ever have done Secret Invasion, it probably would’ve worked better as an Avengers 2 or Cap 3 storyline

[rugged jackal]

When MCU becomes as available as air and water, some people will complaint about air and water quality, some people will be happy enough just to have air and water, basically…

We are all versed in the universe enough to start to make our own highly varied opinions.

Market saturation is what they set out to do, but “now what?”

[trail sierra]

True true

[dusk lagoon]

I bet they Super Skrull Talos and he comes back. Willing to bet?

Oh,cool. Have fun.

[fast kestrel]

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Rick_Mason

I know people are gonna ask

[glacial bear]

Oh boy......him

That guy was totally a big surp- really this is who they bring in? lol

this is why I'm so disappointed with this show, it really could've been an effective series if the cast wasn't just underdeveloped secondary characters. It's too big a concept for such a meager presentation

[high marten]

Connected the dots when I saw O-T’s name in the credits but like

Why did they drop him in like that

Where no one is gonna know who it is

[wet sun]

Great episode. Probably my favourite so far

I wonder where the real rhody is if the one we see is a skrull

What happened to the one in endgame unless he was also a skrull the entire time

And the "real" rhody has been dead since the start of the mcu

[dusk lagoon]

Not confirmed.

[wet sun]

I know, thats why im asking

I want to know when rhody became a skrull or if hes always been one because the timeline matches up enough for rhody to be a skrull since ironman 1

[dusk lagoon]

So far, Rhodey and Raava, the Skrull impersonating him, still have separate pages on the MCU wiki.

So its unknown.

Anything after Stark kicked the bucket is inconclusive.

[fast kestrel]

Incl. before

[dusk lagoon]

right

[boreal plaza]

lol fr not many will know who that is, but i think thats okay

it reminds me when cameos are not made into a big deal and its just a cool little thing for the fans

there was no big "reveal", it was all casual

[long wigeon]

so I was right about Windrush Brixton connection.

Also, there are sirens in Brixton all the time, the police station is just down the road. Pretty big assumption they were for him. 😄

Ha! Eddie Izzard reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVH0gZO5lq0&pp=ygUNY2FrZSBvciBkZWF0aA%3D%3D

[long wigeon]

My god, this series so could have been a film

[tame sonnet]

While I enjoyed episode 5, again the episode was too short. Some interesting stuff about ||The harvest|| among other things. I hope season finale delivers.

The performances are fantastic though and it's always great to see Olivia Colman.

[long wigeon]

she's never not great though.

but she adds some much needed variety to this series. she's the bubbly badass

[tame sonnet]

That's true.. loved her since Broadchurch and many other things. I hope she sticks around in MCU.

[long wigeon]

she's all British politeness, but will kill you without hesitation.

[tame sonnet]

Oh yes like in this episode.. she ||shot a skrull point blank in the head ||

[long wigeon]

I hope she stays around too. Lord knows the MCU needs a character like her

[tame sonnet]

Also.. SIS is MI6, didn't realize that.

You can have Valentina as CIA director and Sonya as MI6 Head

[long wigeon]

It's funny because I know Olivia Coleman for being a comedy actor.

have you ever seen Look Around You?

[tame sonnet]

No, never even heard about it and its a old show it seems.

[long wigeon]

it's a parody of science shows in the 80's but made in 2002. Very very dry humour

lots of familair faces in there too

[tame sonnet]

Interesting

[dusk lagoon]

finale next week.

[vagrant ether]

||fury has to tell Carol about talos I feel Iill||

[boreal plaza]

this is 1% away from going rotten

[hallow bane]

I like this series

Actually

I love this series

It’s basically phase 3 content in phase 5

[vagrant ether]

frfr

[wet sun]

I agree. First time marvel has felt like marvel since endgame.

[glacial bear]

https://old.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/154o2xq/captain_america_winter_soldier_was_the_better/

[hallow bane]

Guardians

[rugged jackal]

I’ve used that reference a lot lol

[long wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/cake-or-death-point-pointing-asking-serious-gif-12100163

[rugged jackal]

And “babies” lol

[ebon cedar]

Do y’all just sit in front of a tv, wait for a show to say a reference you may know, then post it lol

Never ever heard this lol

[long wigeon]

no, I just thought it was funny to hear Eddie Izzard being mentioned

[long wigeon]

but that's also why I posted it.

[normal topaz]

Recent episodes have been better

[wet sun]

Other than guardians 3. Guardians has never felt like marvel tho, marvel to me has always been some decent "popcorn films" u can binge and have fun, guardians are 3 masterpieces of cinema. Big difference

[boreal plaza]

First rotten mcu disneyplus show

I'm getting some Eternals flashbacks

"Eternals will be one of the best mcu movies, directed by award winner chole zhao" - becomes mcu's first rotten movie
"Secret invasion will be mcu's Andor!" - becomes mcu's first rotten show

[hallow bane]

It doesn’t matter though

If you pay attention to the reviews

I think like half of these dont make sense

I think most of the criticism goes to the darker tone

💀

I think its a 50/50 of good points and “huh?”

[dusk lagoon]

I thought people wanted a darker, bloodier MCU.

[boreal plaza]

whys this one rotten, is the full review more negative? also does rt decide fresh or rotten or does the reviewer

[warm storm]

likely it's more negative, they just picked weird quote

RT assigns fresh or rotten based on score or tone of the review if it doesn't give scores

[brazen veldt]

Ep 5 was such filler

[trail sierra]

Is anyone watching those

This?

[long wigeon]

some of us

but only because there's not much else on right now

[trail sierra]

Yeah

I think we’re on a decline rn

I’m just not fired up about the mcu as I was when o was a kid

[dusk lagoon]

I'm sure the finale will be something.

[trail sierra]

If I gotta wait for the finale for a show to get good, it's not worth it

[dusk lagoon]

Every show gets better by the climax. Its called escalation.

[long wigeon]

Nah, just summer TV season. Nothing on

[trail sierra]

Sure, but you know what, you still need to have your first episode actually be good from the start

Breaking bad

From the first episode

draws you in

Sopranos

Draws you in first episode

The wire

Draws you in first episode

You can still build to something without being boring or unintresting

[tame sonnet]

The first episode of Secret invasion was pretty good

[trail sierra]

It really isn't Pawsin

Like after episode 2 I just kinda quit

[tame sonnet]

For me it was.. we can have different perspectives you know

[trail sierra]

I know

I know

I'm just saying for me

[tame sonnet]

Sure

[trail sierra]

Wdym sure

my bad

passive aggressive I apolozie

It's just idk, I feel like we've come out on the other end.

[dusk lagoon]

Same. I feel i may have been too patronizing.

[fast kestrel]

Terrible episode as usual

I just had to watch it to understand everything in the future but there’s not one thing going forward from here so that’s nice

[high marten]

they really werent gonna answer how long rhodes was a skrull huh

[boreal plaza]

what the hell

[boreal plaza]

this is so annoying

like the least they could do was that

[hallow bane]

I love this show

Its great so far, in my opinion

I havent seen the newest episode but I have high hopes

[fast kestrel]

Good for you just some guy glad to hear you like it

[boreal plaza]

I'm actually suprised how theres no paranoia except in the first 5 minutes of the show

[fast kestrel]

The way the show ended is genuinely exactly as I thought it would start

At the very end we got politicians and stuff being exposed like why didn’t we do more of that

[boreal plaza]

so tru

gravit vs giah felt like i was watching captain marvel vs hulk youtube fan film

if i had nickle everytime some powerful being pretended to be fury to fool the enemy id have 2 nickles

[glacial bear]

Since Civil War

||Considering he wasn’t able to walk when they found the real him||

So…anyone else feel like nothing was actually accomplished story wise?

This felt like another MCU title you can easily miss and it won’t affect anything.

Though I suppose there’s still Armor Wars but who knows if that’ll ever see the light of day

[fast kestrel]

He couldn’t walk in Infinity War or Endgame either tho

I definitely think he was taken in Civil War but there’s leeway to change their mind there

[dusk lagoon]

Earth is now entered in a misguided Skrull genocide.

People gonna see shapeshifters everywhere, go after the wrong people. It'll be mass hysteria. Love it.

My personal thoughts.

[tame sonnet]

A bit disappointed by the season finale and I was really liking the show till then.. First the runtime was so short, also ||I thought this show was a little bit grounded but Giah vs Gravik wasn't that||. There was some interesting stuff too like ||US govt being at war with humans and now Giah is the most superpowered being in the world ||

Regarding Rhodey ||no confirmation when he was taken which was a bit disappointing ||

[dusk lagoon]

Keep the mystery. For now.

[tame sonnet]

Yes but when will this be addressed. Tiamut from Eternals hasn't been addressed yet. And I think it is totally possible that this situation gets solved off screen and we know there's gonna be a new President in New Captain America movie.

Fury said Ritson was a one time President

[dusk lagoon]

Think Thunderbolt Ross is gonna be any better?

On another note, this show was bloody as hell, Marvel's getting bold.

On yet another note, I dont think Gravik's dead, the dude can regen.

[tame sonnet]

I think he is because he was killed by a power blast in the heart.

No surviving that.

[dusk lagoon]

Probably.

[tame sonnet]

Overall the show was enjoyable for me but it could have been even better and the finale was too short.

[dusk lagoon]

I'm fairly confident that some sliver of the events will be touched in the Marvels and Cap 4. But time will tell.

[tame sonnet]

Hopefully

[dusk lagoon]

Ritson definitely made the wrong call imo.

Look what it did.

[tame sonnet]

Oh he absolutely made the wrong call but just like in reality with 9/11.. there was over reaction and over a million Skrulls are now his enemies.

Lots of US adversaries may now give safe haven to Skrulls to do their bidding.. even allies like UK are doing that

[dusk lagoon]

Fury better find that home and fast.

If invasion had a second season, things would be about to explode.

[tame sonnet]

That maybe addressed in The Marvels and we did see Skrulls there

BTW.. Ritson declared war against all aliens right?? So New Asgard too?

[dusk lagoon]

Oh shit, what?

Val's gonna be pissed.

[tame sonnet]

Ritson said.. he presented a bill to Congress to designate all off world born species enemy combatants

That's new Asgard

[dusk lagoon]

Somebody put Ross in the White House to negate this shit,now.

[tame sonnet]

I think we will find that out in that new Captain America movie

[dusk lagoon]

All in all, SI was allright. Change of tone, serious, no stupid jokes, high stakes...I dunno, imo, it was allright.

[tame sonnet]

I agree it was alright but could have been much better. I enjoyed it overall despite the finale.

[fast kestrel]

Bad bad show it’s a shame

But the worst part is that nothing will change because people continue to eat it up

[tame sonnet]

The finale was a bit disappointing but I wouldn't say the show was overall bad, at the end I enjoyed it.

[fast kestrel]

Well of course you did though

The whole show has a moment every episode lecturing Fury on why he should be coming to Earth, not staying in space and the show ends with…..him returning to Space

[glacial bear]

This was a concept that should've held more stakes and consequence

Maria Hill and Talos being the only major deaths in pretty underwhelming

[fast kestrel]

The way it ended was truly the way I thought it would start

The final scene was truly the most ‘Secret Invasion’

[high marten]

one term

rhodes was probably taken and replaced around the same time everyone else was

everett being there in actuallity is very confusing considering hes meant to be in wakanda

[trail sierra]

Should I even bother finnishing?

Because people who like it are saying the ending sucks too.

[autumn sable]

Just to have it complete in your head but yeah this could've been an email. Don't expect a turnaround.

I think that besides the intro, A.I. might've written the show as well.

[boreal plaza]

lmao it's ridiculous how fake rhodey is written to be theres no subtlety

i cant believe ive watched every single mcu property to the most obscure mcu things that no ones heard of and SI will be my stopping point. tbh i think i need a break from the mcu im going to try not to watch the next movies/shows

you know how theres the mcu honeymoon effect every movie, well i dont feel that anymore so im getting divorced. like even gotg 3 which i understand is a good film, but i just dont get exicted about it like i wouldve been if i had watched that in the past

[autumn sable]

Any person telling me to start a war 100% is immediately into non trustworthy category. How there was even a dillema on who to trust was beyond me.

[fast kestrel]

No

[glacial bear]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F18xWCNWAAAhi9J?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/heavyspoilers/status/1684125207601074177

Heavy Spoilers (@heavyspoilers)

Disney I beg you stop making these MCU shows 6 episodes long

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[dusk lagoon]

I'm sorry these shows wont stop, man.

Not every MCU offering can be GOTG3.

Either way, it doesent matter to me. I watch it because of the insight it brings for when i watch the next part of the MCU narrative.

They may have mentioned, In GOG3, that Mantis was Quill's brother, but in that movie, its a throwaway line. In the Christmas special, its an event.

Good or not as good, you wanna appreciate the MCU, you gotta keep up with the media.

I have since day 1, its not that hard.

[nova umbra]

https://twitter.com/GreatCheshire/status/1684125677316894721?t=W4oMYOKTNxFFK2aviJje2g&s=19

Lady Emily (@GreatCheshire)

Things are going well in the Secret Invasion subreddit I see

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[long wigeon]

Fairly certain radiation poisoning doesn't make you cough.

[boreal plaza]

giah doesnt know i guess

is it a little suspicious how ep 1-2 are 50 mins while the rest is 30 mins

[tame sonnet]

If you have already watched 5 episodes then why not just finish it?? It is only 30 minutes

[long wigeon]

Also, hope all the humans held there were given radiation protection, though it wasn't once mentioned, and everyone seemed perfectly fine afterwards.

But again, I am asking, why was this not a film? Its now genuinely the worst MCU series. Because even FATWS had a few merit points. This had nothing.

I will likely forget I even watched it.

[long wigeon]

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1684325685861707776?s=19

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave)

Rotten Tomatoes scores for #SecretInvasion episodes

E1 — 52% 🟢
E2 — 50% 🟢
E3 — 38% 🟢
E4 — 38% 🟢
E5 — 50% 🟢
E6 — 13% 🟢

The finale is currently the lowest-rated MCU episode ever

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ha ha!!!

[hoary fjord]

Wow

All 5 secret invasion fans must be really mad rn

[normal topaz]

Holy fuck that SUCKED

[dusk lagoon]

Everyone's opinion is legit.

[normal topaz]

That was terrible

[dusk lagoon]

I dont think it deserves these scores,personally. This isnt Tromaville for chrissakes.

[normal topaz]

I was tuning in every week to see if it could improve

It just got worse

[dusk lagoon]

episode 6 is 13% based on 8 reviews.

fact.

Other fact:

That i can understand.

[glacial bear]

Dude stop constantly discrediting other peoples opinions I feel we have to say this everytime

[dusk lagoon]

If you think 8 reviews are enough and my thousand plus don't have any bearing, i respect your opinion.

[tame sonnet]

I disagree with 13% rating for finale as well even though I was a bit disappointed.. it wasn't garbage

[glacial bear]

No one had been saying the 13% rating was correct and objective. You going “everyone’s opinion is legit” and screencapping the RT scores when people say they disliked it is just obnoxious

[tame sonnet]

But everyone's opinion is legit, both people who hated this finale, thought it was a bit disappointing like me and few others who loved it.

[glacial bear]

No one was saying that wasn’t the case

But it’s immensely unproductive to just reiterate a known point right after someone articulated a differing take

[dusk lagoon]

Sorry. I just thought people should see it instead of basing their opinion of the show on the numbers. But its their right. and i think 63%, being more than half, is favorable.

In my opinion.

[tame sonnet]

Totally agree. I will never take seriously any opinion if they say the show is bad solely due to the scores. Give it one episode and if you hate it then that's fine.

[dusk lagoon]

I didnt screencap a dislike imo.

63% is favorable to me.

Where did it feel like i was discrediting others?

Please tell me so i can learn.

[dusk lagoon]

I wasnt responding to naya, i was responding to the scores posted. I should have made that clearer.

I wasnt trying to say Naya was wrong in her assessment. But to me, the guys who posted the 13% definitely were. I'm glad this is cleared out.

Sorry for whatever else i've done. I assume all responsabilities.

[trail sierra]

IS THIS REAL?!

NO WAY

[tame sonnet]

Yes

[dusk lagoon]

G'iah found a clever way to get herself to ||Harvest Super Skrull Level||.

[tame sonnet]

Yup and btw did nobody tell President Ritson that a Skrull was the one who saved him??

[dusk lagoon]

The red Pin lady, right?

[tame sonnet]

You mean Sonya?? Olivia colman character

[dusk lagoon]

Yah. She had a gun at Fake Rhodey's head.

Or did you mean Talos.

[trail sierra]

That looks like ass

That looks terrible

Even for marvel tv standards

Jesus Christ

[tame sonnet]

Maybe she didn't say it as she also had an agenda to bring Skrulls to UK

[tame sonnet]

I mean Talos saved The President

[dusk lagoon]

She got G'iah. The Super Skrull.

[tame sonnet]

But it seems nobody told him about that...hence his hostility towards all skrulls

[tame sonnet]

Who's now the main leader of around a million Skrulls

[trail sierra]

This show sucks

Gn

[dusk lagoon]

Fake Rhodey got him back. Fed him all the bullshit.

[tame sonnet]

Ya but after Skrull rhodey got killed

[trail sierra]

You know what

If you did this right

You could have had something like who goes there

Or John carpenters the thing where it emphasizes the ideas of trust

[dusk lagoon]

The thing was 8 guys in the arctic.

[trail sierra]

But this shit was predictable asf

[trail sierra]

Morpho

Not literally

[dusk lagoon]

Sorry.

[trail sierra]

I’m talking about the concept of a shape shifting creature

Causing a bunch of friends to mistrust each other

[tame sonnet]

Listen...it could have been much better, no doubt about that

[dusk lagoon]

Maybe Body Snatchers would have been a better allegory is what i'm saying.

[trail sierra]

Sorry man wasn’t good to me

Glad you liked it

[dusk lagoon]

Without the screaming.

[trail sierra]

20/100

[tame sonnet]

I get it, I've liked the show overall but even I thought the finale wasn't good.

[dusk lagoon]

Same. Was allright.

And it had blood. Thanks for that.

[trail sierra]

Morpho

[dusk lagoon]

And no quips.

[trail sierra]

Can you dance

Like there are ants in ur pants

[dusk lagoon]

Why u asking?

Ok. Whatevs.

[hallow bane]

Shit

But speaking of shit

I don’t give one

On second thought

About the finale

This sucks

I like almost the entire show

Except for this finale

The only good portion are the hospital scenes

Which should’ve made up the finale

[normal topaz]

It's not a 13% but it wasn't good

[hallow bane]

Great

It ended on a cliffhanger

[tame sonnet]

MCU still hasn't really addressed Tiamut and now you have the most powerful being in the universe in Giah?? When will she be addressed?? Maybe directly into secret wars now?

[hallow bane]

Its really Joever

[trail sierra]

Hi Ken!

[hallow bane]

Hi!

[tame sonnet]

https://screenrant.com/secret-invasion-rhodey-skrull-civil-war/

Rhodey was replaced since civil war?

[glacial bear]

That’s the inference it seems

I suppose it’s the most plausible time it could’ve happened but I’m not intensely knowledgeable about when what happened when so could’ve also happened during the time during the blip

[glacial bear]

It would simultaneously undermine his scene with Tony in Endgame, but also give some drama to his character for Armor Wars, but idk if that films ever getting made, or if they’ll actually tackle that in a meaningful way

[boreal plaza]

wow legit if the audience goes rotten it'll be the first mcu property to ever have both critic and audience rotten score (second one if u include inhumans)

[tame sonnet]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/07/24/oppenheimer-cost-half-as-much-as-marvels-secret-invasion/

This is just crazy to me

[wet sun]

Really enjoyed this show. I'd put it high B low A teir

[warm storm]

It would cost like 60-80% more if the cast didn't take pay cut and Nolan wasn't paid partially in BO cut

[tame sonnet]

That's true ya but still the cast were willing to do it.. maybe just working with Nolan was more than enough for them.

[trail sierra]

So what you’re telling me

You like this show?

[tame sonnet]

There are some people who like this show yes.. and yes despite a disappointing finale overall I liked the show. People can have different opinions.

[trail sierra]

I know

I’m asking him

His opinion

[wet sun]

That is what "really enjoyed this show" generally means.

[tame sonnet]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1684915670109114369?t=3s_qjW4OIDsSa3TQQg6DsQ&s=19

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

‘Secret Invasion’ director Ali Selim thinks that Rhodey has been a Skrull since ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR’.

(Source: https://t.co/9is0qvYBWL)

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Well that certainly was implied with Rhodey in hospital gown and not able to walk properly and there was scene in civil war with Rhodey in a gown

[glacial bear]

Well. If this isn’t utilized in an effective way for Armor Wars then they seriously undermined his role in Infinity War/Endgame

[tame sonnet]

Don't think Armor wars is gonna be a prequel to Secret invasion though

[dusk lagoon]

Supposed to follow.

[tame sonnet]

It is gonna be a movie though

[dusk lagoon]

Ah, good.

I suspect Rhodey was captured shortly after Stark died.

That's just my take.

[tame sonnet]

The director says after civil war but again for me that will make zero sense as the Skrulls according to this show have been bad only after the blip. So either Raava replaced Rhodey on her own or someone told her to.. but who?? Talos?? Fury?? I don't see.

This just shows they didn't think this through.

[dusk lagoon]

The director "thinks" it was after civil war. "Think" being the keyword here.

[glacial bear]

Since he’s someone who was on the in when working on this, him highlighting Civil War as when it happened makes it the most likely timeframe

[dusk lagoon]

Ok. But if i say that i think that his use of the word "think" denotes an opinion, not a fact, to me, regardless of the fact that he directed all episodes of SI, will my opinion anger you? I will retract it if it does.

[glacial bear]

Dude, it won’t anger anyone and doesn’t merit “retraction”. It’s certainly the directors opinion but given it’s being put forth at all means it must have some strong likelihood, which could still change if that timeframe is negatively received

[long wigeon]

Gotta wonder how the Skrulls kept all their victims safe from the radiation. Hope everyone got treated after they were rescued!

[dusk lagoon]

Maybe something in the pods, i dunno.

Obviously those pods fed them, maybe it pumped anti-rad into them too. Hypothesis.

[tame sonnet]

Maybe a underground bunker ??

[dusk lagoon]

Not sure. Are there any windows near where the captives are kept?

If not, underground bunkers are lead-lined, so it would protect them.

[hoary fjord]

What does he mean “thinks” he made the show

[dusk lagoon]

The show is based on continuity that he doesent control, ergo what happened before SI.

[hoary fjord]

Yeah but he wasn’t a skrull before secret invasion

He made the choice and didn’t answer any questions

[dusk lagoon]

What choice are you referring to?

[boreal plaza]

it has happened

[dusk lagoon]

Eh. Still over half, still the majority in my book.

Regardless, i enjoyed it.

[fast kestrel]

This doesn’t even make sense

When you look at the episodes individually, the highest rating an episode has is 52

All the others have 40s and below

How does that make 56

[dusk lagoon]

Its not calculated by individual episode rating. This is "as a whole.

"

[hallow bane]

If it were

That puts the series at 40%

[dusk lagoon]

yah.

[fast kestrel]

I know that

But the highest a single episode goes is 52

And the rest range between 13 - 45

So somehow going above all of that doesn’t add up

[trail sierra]

You know what I would’ve done?

I would have had it so there is this sense of instanity building with Nick fury and the rest of the spy’s

They become to scared of the skrulls impersonating someone that’s start killing people they simply suspect as being an impostor

[tame sonnet]

Which kinda happened at the end of the series but if it had happened in the beginning or in the middle, then it could have been interesting. Like a world leader or someone important is assassinated and turns out he or she is a Skrull and then the mystery deepens.

[trail sierra]

Not really

Not to the extend

It should have been

Huge misfire

Megan misfire

Instead we got “and then they get super powers”

Big cgi fight at the end

Nothing new

[tame sonnet]

I also would have loved to see a Skrull leader from Talos past or from Skrullos who was against Fury from the start and had begun infiltrating the ranks without informing them.. that way you could have explained Rhodey being replaced since civil war

[trail sierra]

That was stupid

I’m sorry

That added such a big hole to the larger cannon

How the hell is Rhoddie still alive? Why haven’t they killed him after all this time?

[tame sonnet]

Maybe because they need his memory and can't harness everything all at once.. everyone was also kept alive

[trail sierra]

Here’s the problem with phase 4 it’s adding shit retroactively that is become more and more un feasible

[trail sierra]

I mean maybe

But the fact that we have to keep making stuff up

And filling in blanks

[tame sonnet]

My problem is that it makes no sense for a Skrull to replace since Civil war when we know Skrulls were allies at that time

[trail sierra]

Is a problem

[trail sierra]

That too

[tame sonnet]

I would have loved something definitive too and I'm frustrated about Rhodey.. the Director thinks one thing but it isn't confirmed

At least a flashback would have been nice

[trail sierra]

I guess

I mean again, it’s self imploding

[tame sonnet]

Rhodey is a important character in MCU..

[trail sierra]

Exactly

To have something like that happen

You’d need to fill a lot of blanks and dot a lot of I’s

[tame sonnet]

Ya.. maybe Armor wars would explain it, who knows

[trail sierra]

We keep saying that tho

Maybe the next one will explain it

There are to many holes right now man

Way to many

And it’s not just this

[tame sonnet]

I know there is and Feige now can't keep up

[trail sierra]

Here’s what should happen at this point

Use the multiverse

Pull in X Men from fox

Because this isn’t gonna end well if they keep doing

[tame sonnet]

I think there will be total reboot of X men, you can't bring Fox characters back

[trail sierra]

They should

[tame sonnet]

I think there's chance for Feige to partially reset MCU with Secret wars

[trail sierra]

Or else this is gonna get a lot worse

[trail sierra]

Wdym they can’t

They have the rights don’t they?

[tame sonnet]

Why?? This is MCU.. not Fox universe and btw.. which actors?? From the original X men series or after X men first class??

[tame sonnet]

Yes but this is a new universe and not Fox universe

[trail sierra]

and?

Use the multiverse shit

Portal opened

[tame sonnet]

So.. total reboot like Fantastic four as well

[tame sonnet]

I don't see it happening and I hope it doesn't.. also Fox X men movies were losing money like their last movie X men phoenix was a total bomb

[trail sierra]

Do you want more plot holes?

[tame sonnet]

I want a total reboot of X men to fit into MCU

[trail sierra]

It’s not gonna

[tame sonnet]

Let's see how they do

Let's wait and see

[trail sierra]

No, look how it’s gone so far

You keep saying that

[tame sonnet]

Secret wars may even end the whole multiverse stuff as well

[trail sierra]

And then they fuck up

When’s the point where you’re like

Ok

We need to back up

[tame sonnet]

And have a single Earth with all Marvel characters

[tame sonnet]

And bring back Fox characters that have already failed?? I'm curious which actors are you talking about?? You do know that original Fox x men was rebooted after X men first class right?

[trail sierra]

Huge Jackson

Quick sliver

Beast

Uh

Shit

[tame sonnet]

I think Hugh jackman is done after Deadpool 3.. he can't keep playing Wolverine forever

[trail sierra]

I guess

Idk man

Something

[tame sonnet]

He's 54 years now

[trail sierra]

FR?

[tame sonnet]

We need a younger Wolverine

[trail sierra]

I guess

[tame sonnet]

Yes.. he looks young.. that's it

[trail sierra]

Alight

Maybe you got a point

But somethings gotta be done

[tame sonnet]

I think it will be as Iger has already indicated.. they will cut back heavily on making TV shows and mostly focus on movies now and that's a start.. Have 1 or 2 TV shows per year that are great but focus on movies mainly. They can also make specials .

I will say.. Make just 1 TV show per year that's fantastic instead of 2 or 3 that are subpar

[trail sierra]

Yeah

Quality over quantity

Especially when your dropping 200 mil per season lol

[fast kestrel]

The show ends with them taking out skrulls in high places and the president realising there are skrulls infiltrating the earth

The show ends..exactly where it should’ve started!

[tame sonnet]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fjxDw0gsAo&t=355s

I agree with a lot of his points and btw.. this is the first time New rockstars has even done a video like this

[tame sonnet]

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1685775005442002944?s=20

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave)

It was Kevin Feige's idea to do the #SecretInvasion Super Skrull fight

"[He] said, 'We’re gonna have a Super Skrull fight and all superpowers are fair game"

The finale is currently the lowest-rated MCU episode ever with an 8% on Rotten Tomatoes
https://t.co/ZLpFnMmRY9

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[ornate timber]

https://youtu.be/Msh_R_LdqbA

[true coyote]

I really, really, REALLY love this series. Especially the last episode.

Honest the best MCU series since Loki S1.

[ebon cedar]

If you didn’t like Loki s1 ||you’re dead inside lol.|| Didn’t expect it to be good.

[brazen veldt]

i wish i could love this 😭

[true coyote]

Oh come on, Loki is really good.

I just love Secret Invasion even more.

[brazen veldt]

Am curious what you enjoyed about it. Good for you!

But personally…oof.

[true coyote]

What I enjoyed about Secrets Invasion is that the stakes are high, and that a few of the Skrulls are willing to help Fury save humanity. And the final fight scene (which people are calling a plot hole for some reason) is just phenomenal. It's full of emotion on Giah's side of the fight, and I would never have guessed that something like the Harvest would be made.

[long wigeon]

well, gonna say you're in the minority with that take, but if you enjoyed it, then great

[fast kestrel]

Phenomenal!?

Foreboding concern surrounding the future

[true coyote]

Welcome to opinions.

[fast kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-gif-18806029

[true coyote]

I ain't baiting, I'm just saying that Secret Invasion is awesome.

[glacial bear]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/the-witcher-secret-invasion-disappoint-finale-1235548117/

Blaming fans is certainly…a choice lol

[dusk lagoon]

They the ones watching, or not watching in this case.

But on the other hand, maybe the product doesent appeal to enough people/.

[dusk lagoon]

Disagreeing with someone is bait?

[trail sierra]

Serious question

Not trying to be a dick

Or nothing

But how is that awesome?

[dusk lagoon]

He means its awesome for him.

[trail sierra]

Oh

[dusk lagoon]

Pretty much everyone here states their own opinion.

And all opinions are legit.

If you disagree, no explanation they give you will change your mind, so just let it happen.

[tame sonnet]

I agree, if people love Secret invasion then great for them, it is all subjective after all.

For me, despite being a huge MCU fan who has actually quite loved and enjoyed most of Phase 4 of MCU.. Secret invasion esp the finale was a bit of a let down. It just wasn't the series I hoped it to be. Earlier episodes were pretty good though.

[dusk lagoon]

I'm sorry. I'm just bothered with guys who are like "I hate it, why don't you hate it?"

We cant all be of the same mind.

[rugged jackal]

I hâte so many parts of the show, but I love it for about the same amount… it makes no sense lol

[dusk lagoon]

I'm ok with it, square in the middle. Its not exceptional, but not terrible either.

[rugged jackal]

Yeah

[boreal plaza]

since the audience suspected the president as a skrull they shouldve made him suspicious in the show then do an opposite twist reveal, someone shoots president thinking hes a skrull but turns out he wasnt

also bruh is it suspicious or not that eps 3-6 are 30 mins long while 1 and 2 are 1 hour. is it possible that reshoots happened or something and they changed things around or nothing sus about it

[trail sierra]

It's fun to debate

that's why

Ain't no point of a chat

If we're all just gonna agree all the time and not have a lil push back

challenge our beliefs

[boreal plaza]

this show is like the mcu show version of ant man quantumania

in that a lot of people agreed it was bad as it released

[tame sonnet]

For me, the season finale ruined the show otherwise I was quite enjoying it.. again not great but it was good.

[tame sonnet]

Oh we can definitely have a debate on that but what's unacceptable from anyone is the implication that just because someone liked a show that was hated by many people, there's some problem with you. That's absolutely wrong.

[trail sierra]

Oh yeah definitely

And I don’t mean to come off that way, and I’m sorry if I do

[rugged jackal]

I donno, feels like a lot of missed opportunities to shake up the MCU, but I guess they are reserving it for Loki

[trail sierra]

At this point

I think Lokis is gonna miss

I’m sorry I’m loosing hope here folks

[rugged jackal]

I’m watching, but yeah… so far post Endgame there’s only GoTG3 I truly love. Loki, Wandavision, Shehulk and Ms Marvel I liked, the rest I’m somewhat indifferent

[dusk lagoon]

Maybe it does, maybe it doesent. Its next on my playlist along with Ahsoka.

[trail sierra]

Look at the record so far

To me that’s like saying, the plane that is burning and is on fire might crash.

[dusk lagoon]

The record, as you call it, is Disneys problem, not mine. So i dont give a care.

[tame sonnet]

I think Loki is gonna be great but let's see

[boreal plaza]

I think only bp 2 im passionate about currently post FFH

Sure i can recognize gotg 3 as a good film but idc too much for it after a bit

[fair kelp]

Honestly, I don’t know if I had the wrong expectations for this series

I’m already having my own idea of how Loki s2 will be like

[wicked bear]

I finally finished this thing yesterday and... it wasn't very good was it?

[dusk lagoon]

Depends who you ask.

[fast kestrel]

No

As someone who enjoyed and defended phase 4 they’re pushing it a bit too far now

But people are still gonna eat it up regardless of how good or bad it is so nothing changes

[wicked bear]

I don't know. I haven't really seen anyone talk about this show and I wasn't in any rush to watch it (though I've also been busy recently)

and then it was also just not particularly exciting

[fast kestrel]

Absolutely

To have such actors and get out bad performances

Absolute nothing tension

Terrible cgi

Poorly choreographed fights

And no paranoia in a show with paranoia as the concept is certainly an interesting take

[wicked bear]

olivia colman was fun enough

and ben mendelsohn was alright while he lasted

but most of the characters I just did not care about at all, which was very unfortunate

[fast kestrel]

Olivia was fun but that’s it

[brazen veldt]

Yeah that’s a thing too, this series had no tension to it. Horror b movies have more tension lol

[glacial bear]

Like I said it was too big a premise for a six episode miniseries with the inherent b-team and farm team as your characters it needed big names it needed stakes

And not the chronic “villain is gonna destroy the world” stakes I mean actually distrust amongst friends/allies, etc

[brazen veldt]

that too
also they got way too gung ho with killing characters imo

like ||maria dying|| kinda ruined fury’s character a bit imo

[glacial bear]

They mistook that for giving the shown uncertainty.

Problem is ||Maria was never a well defined character up to that point so there wasn’t a sense of loss, and therefore it just feels as a death there just to enhance another character||

[brazen veldt]

||Yeah…except it did the opposite. Imo. Fury becoming isolated kinda just does him a disservice. Shoulda gotten more if him and Maria working together||

||there was also like next to no mystery||

[glacial bear]

Very paint by numbers

And the Mr. Robot writer who’s involvement got me rather peaked only actually participated in writing the first episode and just served as showrunner the rest

For any Mr. Robot fans, he wrote episode 9 of season 4, which I think is generally considered top five episodes of an already great series

[midnight badger]

This was bad. Not the worse MCU project, but yeah it was bad.

[brazen veldt]

Worst of the shows for me honestly, next to falcon+ winter soldier

[dusk lagoon]

Wish i could share the sentiment, but i respect yours.

[cobalt tulip]

Start

[cobalt tulip]

I don't watch marvel stuff anymore but I kept up to date by watching pitch meetings and other reviewers

[cobalt tulip]

I'm interested in this sentence

[dusk lagoon]

It just means you might lose the plot of a comic book run if you dont read previous issues.

Same with the MCU and its movies and shows.

[cobalt tulip]

I will use this as a marker as to where I was last backreading

[cobalt tulip]

So this means the marvel comics are declining?

That's the part I'm interested in

[dusk lagoon]

no idea, i dont really read the comics.

[cobalt tulip]

Aovht

Aight

[dusk lagoon]

Also, this wasnt a jab at quality, i enjoyed SI.

[cobalt tulip]

Good for you

[desert tundra]

So this show is supposed to be about secret wars? Or the intro to it?

They lied because nothing about this show deserves to be connected to a movie