#đŸŽ„The Flash

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spark pike
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Maybe they should’ve made a good movie

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If I was James Gunn

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I would fire Andy from the Brave and the Bold movie

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Nothing personal, its just based on reception

cunning ocean
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That is catastrophic 😳

rigid hawk
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This ain't good

spark pike
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They think it can make as much as peak bruh

cunning ocean
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The movie was simultaneously interesting and frustrating. Giant, boldfaced mixed bag if there ever was one.

upbeat forum
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Even less than Black Adam

rigid hawk
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Ya and I don't think it is gonna have legs

pallid onyx
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It’s either that or “he gave notes so it’s his fault”

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Cause apparently notes means you completely rewrote the film

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It’s hilarious they harassed the fuck (harassment itself wasn’t hilarious of course) out of Jennifer Holland because she was in a decoy post credits scene that ultimately wasn’t even in the Final Cut

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They’ll just take an unearned victory lap in that “we got it pulled!”

uncut grotto
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Any Snyder fans reading this:

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HOLD DAT

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😂😂😂

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Rip Snyderverse

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🚬🚬🚬

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Rest in piss

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You won’t be missed

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Rip bozo

spark pike
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Snyderverse peaked at ZS Justice League

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Honestly kinda sad

wheat shard
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Honestly it could have peaked at this

uncut grotto
wheat shard
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If they didn’t do multiverse

spark pike
kindred hedge
uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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but the tail is not gonna be as long as it probably needs.

spark pike
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Its Black Adam all over again, but with a China release

kindred hedge
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140 tracking isnt really bad

uncut grotto
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It’s in China already?

spark pike
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Yeah

kindred hedge
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this is actually doing better than guardians 3

wheat shard
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It needs the Sean Gunn cameo

uncut grotto
dapper ivy
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You know I laughed at The Rock but honestly looking at The Flash Black Adam could’ve bombed worse

uncut grotto
spark pike
kindred hedge
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vol 3 did 118M

spark pike
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Fast X took top spot but Guardians was not that far behind

kindred hedge
spark pike
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And Fast X Bombed

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And Guardians made 800m

kindred hedge
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fast x didnt exactly bomb?

spark pike
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It did

dapper ivy
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Fast X bombed

kindred hedge
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dissapointment isnt a bomb

spark pike
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It needs 800 million to break even

kindred hedge
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no, thats not even close to the budget listed

spark pike
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Its sitting at 650

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To break even

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Thats budget

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  • marketing
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X 2

dapper ivy
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Paramount’s only saving grace now is a man named Tom Cruise whose like 64 years old 💀

spark pike
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Fast X had a 300 million dollar budget

kindred hedge
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companies dont really cop to most of that

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and no, the budget wasnt 300M

spark pike
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And a 100 million dollar marketing budget

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Oh my bad

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It had a 340 million dollar budget

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It needs 840 to break even

kindred hedge
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stop no wheres the 500M you are inventing

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thats not how math works

spark pike
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The 100 million dollar marketing cost

dapper ivy
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Marketing budget

kindred hedge
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marketing does not cost half a billion

spark pike
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Now we have 440 million dollars to recoup

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To do that

kindred hedge
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thats not how math works?

spark pike
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We need twice as much as we spent

kindred hedge
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thats not how you recoup your investment

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thats not how math works

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you break even when you hit the amount you spent

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double that just means, double the amount you spent

spark pike
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Exactly, twice as much as we spent

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So thats 440 million spent

kindred hedge
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nope, thats not how math works

spark pike
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We arent making shit until we make 840

kindred hedge
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no thats not how math works

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if you spend 5 you dont need to make 10 to earn it back

spark pike
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Because we recouped our budget, but we didn’t get any more money than we spent, we in fact got less money

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Getting past the break even point means we got our money back with more money to spend

wanton basalt
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They should be happy, snyder verse is canon

kindred hedge
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do you understand how math works

spark pike
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Hell yeah I do

kindred hedge
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clearly not

spark pike
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An A is no laughing matter

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So lets roll it back

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Spending cash and recouping the cash

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I have 5 bucks

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I invest it into a movie

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That releases

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But wait, I have to market it

kindred hedge
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you recoup your money by making 5 back

spark pike
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Lets spend another 5

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Thats 10 I spent on a movie

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Lets release it

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Now it can get past the 10

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But I need it to get to 20 for a specific reason

kindred hedge
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movie marketing budgets costing as much as the movie isnt really a thing anymore

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Because Im getting my money back, but Im getting lackluster funds

kindred hedge
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thats where your math is bad

dapper ivy
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No it is. Super Bowl commercial airings are expensive af still

spark pike
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Anywhere past 20 bucks is more money for me

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I win, I get my money back with more

kindred hedge
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thats not how math works

spark pike
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Box office disappointments still cost studios lots of money

dapper ivy
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Not to mention digital advertising on YouTube costs quite a bit too.

spark pike
kindred hedge
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yes because studios often dont cop to the whole budget

dapper ivy
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And with the amount of Flash ads on YouTube I and many others saw Warner definitely spend quite a bit

kindred hedge
rigid hawk
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At this rate.. Will flash even make 300 million dollars?

kindred hedge
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probably

spark pike
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They need double of what they spent to make their money back to pay for the damn movie

kindred hedge
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but not much beyond that

spark pike
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To get their money back

kindred hedge
spark pike
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And to make a profit

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Thats what net profit is

rigid hawk
kindred hedge
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thats. not. how. math. works

dapper ivy
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Damn Flash might bomb worse than John Carter tomlol

kindred hedge
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nothing can be as bad as john carter

rigid hawk
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The theatres take one third of the money too

kindred hedge
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that movie almost sank disney

spark pike
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They need to pay for the movie, get their money back, and make a profit

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Thats how the box office works

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  1. Making the budget
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  1. Breaking even
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  1. Making profit
kindred hedge
spark pike
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We cannot make a profit without steps 1 and 2

kindred hedge
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stop theres no extra step to break even

dapper ivy
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Well The Flash ain’t getting any merchandising money from third parties like Lego so


kindred hedge
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thats not how math works

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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hes not

upbeat forum
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Fast X bombed

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Yet to break even

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Close tho

kindred hedge
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hes saying even after that, you need to make double your spend to break even

spark pike
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Fast X had a budget of 340 million dollars

kindred hedge
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which isnt how math works

spark pike
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Then an additional 100 million for marketing

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So we rest at 440 million dollars that we need to pay for

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Lets drop it in theaters

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If it can get past 440

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We made our total budget

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To pay for the damn thing

kindred hedge
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ok so youve broken even

spark pike
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But I want my cash back

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I spent it all on this damn thing

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Lets make it back

kindred hedge
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YOU DID GET YOUR CASH BACK

spark pike
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The break even point is what that is

uncut grotto
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😭😭😭

spark pike
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Double of what we spent

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Thats 840 million

rigid hawk
spark pike
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Thats our cash back

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Anything after that is additional profit

kindred hedge
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nope thats 50% profit already

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think real hard

spark pike
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Fast X is at 650 million dollars, not even close to its 840 million dollar budget

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Effectively losing 140 million dollars

kindred hedge
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stop adding numbers in randomly

spark pike
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Oh my bad

uncut grotto
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The math is not mathing bro

spark pike
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Effectively losing 190 million dollars

manic garden
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Like how much do cars cost, 840 million is absolutely bonkers

dapper ivy
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Man this summer has been a bloodbath. And it’s only beginning

spark pike
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We need that 190 million dollars to get our own cash back

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
spark pike
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Profit is anything past the break even point, which is double the total cost of the movie

uncut grotto
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Bro is confused 💀

kindred hedge
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break even is the cost

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its not double the cost, thats a 50% profit margin

spark pike
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We are using wikipedia now?

kindred hedge
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i mean you basically invented new math so yes

spark pike
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Thats our god damn profit point

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850 million dollars

kindred hedge
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thats an estimate based on costs the studio wont publicly admit to

spark pike
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Oh, it made more money while I wasn’t looking

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Still a bomb

kindred hedge
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thats not the same as saying break even is twice the cost

uncut grotto
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BROS USING WIKIPEDIA 💀

kindred hedge
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again, bombs are much worse than just losing money

uncut grotto
dapper ivy
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Also the 2x rule doesn’t mean much now. With inflation and some studios unreporting money the new multiplier might as well be 2.5x

manic garden
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Next fast isn't gonna have cars to save on budget. Just gonna be them sitting in chairs making car noises with their mouths

kindred hedge
uncut grotto
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Mfs are using multipliers 😭😭😭

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Money is money blud

spark pike
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Maybe I got the break even point wrong, but I got something right

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The profit point

kindred hedge
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hes implying that to make back your investment you need to earn twice that

uncut grotto
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Even if you profit 50million over break even it’s still profit

spark pike
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The point of which we can start making money

dapper ivy
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Fast x needs to make 850 million to be even slightly profitable

upbeat forum
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Thought I came into the Fast X channel for a minute

manic garden
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Often they don't put marketing costs into budget on Wikipedia dude

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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i think its still not quite as bad for the flash as people are saying here, but its not the monumental 1B plus hit they wanted

upbeat forum
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It’s really bad

spark pike
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The Flash is very expensive for a movie

upbeat forum
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They wanted 700/800m

dapper ivy
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Uhhh no. Flash is bombing HARD

upbeat forum
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And this is the numbers they’re getting

manic garden
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Theyve been sitting on the flash for YEARS too

spark pike
kindred hedge
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130 for the opening weekend isnt bad

upbeat forum
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Are they paying to claim these movies losing money are actually not that bad

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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the cost is 200 not 330

spark pike
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WE HAVE TO INCLUDE MARKETING

manic garden
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The issue is flash is going to drop hard, everyone is mocking the cgi

kindred hedge
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the studios dont include it in their accounting

uncut grotto
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This movie was marketed a shit ton

spark pike
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Thats where the fancy numbers get into the damn thing

dapper ivy
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The fact that the Flash survived but Batgirl got axed. Honestly Warner just should’ve axed both.

spark pike
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The marketing cost is super important

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And it dooms several movies

upbeat forum
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That opening is horrible for a movie of this calibre

dapper ivy
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And Blue Beetle is gonna bomb too.

upbeat forum
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Literally less than Black Adam

kindred hedge
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if you dont know what the marketing cost is, you cant just slap 100M and call it a day

manic garden
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Just the dog Falling during the credits is etched into peoples minds, it's SO BAD

kindred hedge
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2, the studios rarely publicly consider that part of their calculus on this

spark pike
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THEY HAVE TO

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BECAUSE THATS THE MONEY THEY SPENT

kindred hedge
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they literally dont

spark pike
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Not pocket change!

kindred hedge
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they literally do not

spark pike
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Thats the money they invested into the film

upbeat forum
kindred hedge
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yeah but they never admit that

spark pike
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Thats why profit points are super high

uncut grotto
spark pike
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Because they spent money on marketing to make sure it gets money

upbeat forum
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Trust me bro they actually wanted to lose hundreds of millions, it’s good for business I promise you

kindred hedge
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are you people not familiar with hollywood accounting

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budgets are rarely what they are

spark pike
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IM TELLING YOU THE BASICS

manic garden
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It's bizarre how much better Shazam 2 is than this film

kindred hedge
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and studios often hide the ball on how much movies make

spark pike
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This is how movies make money

upbeat forum
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Good thing we’ve got Sherlock over here to correct it for everyone

uncut grotto
manic garden
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I think Shazam was a lot more likeable than Ezra's flash

spark pike
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The Flash’s opening is bad because we have to consider dips in the box office

kindred hedge
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you literally 5 minutes ago thought you needed to double your investment to make money

spark pike
uncut grotto
dapper ivy
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Word of mouth ain’t saving the flash.

kindred hedge
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again, this is opening weekend and it made 130

spark pike
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This is opening weekend, it has to make a solid profit for the rest of the week

upbeat forum
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First movie to make minus dollars

kindred hedge
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itll probably have a bad tail

spark pike
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Then we have the second week

manic garden
kindred hedge
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it is!

spark pike
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Its a common trend!

uncut grotto
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😂

upbeat forum
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It’s a lot of money when you look at the number 130 million

spark pike
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For movies to make less money second week than the first

kindred hedge
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130M is a not bad opening!

upbeat forum
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But you have to look at context

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For a movie like this it’s bad

manic garden
upbeat forum
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If No Hard feelings opens to 130m next week that’s amazing

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But for The Flash that’s not a good number

kindred hedge
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i dont disagree but lets not outright call this a flop by just barely missing tracking

upbeat forum
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You can’t just choose a one size fits all approach

uncut grotto
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True

spark pike
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The tracking was ass to begin with

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Usually movies are supposed to beat lackluster tracking

upbeat forum
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The tracking actually said like 140m at the absolute lowest and it somehow earned even lower 😭

spark pike
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I KNOW RIGHT?

manic garden
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I just don't understand why so many celebrities were shilling the flash so hard, like it had so much hype

kindred hedge
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140 is not terrible tracking what are you people talking about

upbeat forum
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Sucks to suck

uncut grotto
spark pike
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A good opening for the Flash would be 200 million+ for opening weekend

dapper ivy
spark pike
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Because thats the base budget

upbeat forum
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It earned less than every other superhero movie this year bar Shazam 2

spark pike
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It can recoup marketing at the end of the week

upbeat forum
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Even earned less than Black Adam

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Blud never saw Endgame

uncut grotto
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At most it could break even atm

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But it’s not looking good bruv

spark pike
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It wont make it to its profit area

potent nebula
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I can't believe black adam did better

kindred hedge
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itll make its budget back

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just not much more

manic garden
spark pike
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So its a bomb

uncut grotto
spark pike
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Thats what a bomb is

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Because its not making profit for the studio

kindred hedge
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a bomb is much worse than that

spark pike
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We just got our money back

uncut grotto
spark pike
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But we gained no more money

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We are back to square one

upbeat forum
uncut grotto
spark pike
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The marketing costs

kindred hedge
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its not

upbeat forum
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Being generous yes

potent nebula
uncut grotto
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Fucking hell

spark pike
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You have to include marketing costs

manic garden
dapper ivy
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I guess in the end Black Adam did change the dceu hierarchy.

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Its got a 300 million dollar price tag

kindred hedge
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and those often include the marketing costs now

spark pike
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Thats called fraud

kindred hedge
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no?

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when batgirl was briefly moved to theaters it got a bump in its budget but most of that was marketing

spark pike
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Remember the black adam scenario?

potent nebula
upbeat forum
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Womp womp

manic garden
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Kara had like 20 guys firing guns at her and her clothing didnt tear to pieces. I want a refund

spark pike
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When Black Adam was released, they shoved out false information regarding costs

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Stating it made a profit

kindred hedge
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dwayne johnson shoved out fake spin

manic garden
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Black Adams marketing budget was ASTRONOMICAL

potent nebula
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What was black adam budget

spark pike
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Too bad so sad!

upbeat forum
kindred hedge
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thats not the same

spark pike
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The costs were higher than what they stated

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You cannot hide this stuff

kindred hedge
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nope, they really werent

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its just dwayne johnson was trying to spin facts

upbeat forum
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Well Black Adam did have a surge in cost

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The original film cost 190m

kindred hedge
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thats how hollywood works

upbeat forum
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Then they did 70m reshoots

kindred hedge
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they hide the ball on costs

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they hide the ball on profits

manic garden
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James Gunn will save DC, he just needs to bend the knee for Bruce Timm first

uncut grotto
spark pike
kindred hedge
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they really do!

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its a common thing

spark pike
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Otherwise everyone is losing god damn money

upbeat forum
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He knows the numbers they came to him in a dream

manic garden
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The rock: "black Adam Is two and a half hours of non stop action with barely any room to breathe for plot, people want that right?"

potent nebula
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We need chris pratt to save the day for DC

spark pike
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Chris Pratt would make a fine booster gold ngl

kindred hedge
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this is a tradition as old as hollywood

manic garden
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Booster gold is gonna be a trip, people aren't ready for him

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He is literally shitty Kang lol

upbeat forum
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Booster Gold is the reason why James Gunn shifted Blue Beetle into the DCU

kindred hedge
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for 5 years fox was in a big lawsuit cause the stars of bones got shafted on income

upbeat forum
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Because he wants Beetle to appear in Booster Gold

manic garden
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The biggest issue with the dceu is that it said it was all connected but it never felt all connected.

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As much as I hate marvel films they all felt natural together

uncut grotto
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DC tax

upbeat forum
kindred hedge
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the truth is these studios spend a ton on these movies, and the income is often a big complex mess

upbeat forum
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Wonder Woman in Shazam, Batman & WW in Flash

manic garden
spark pike
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Oh hey

upbeat forum
spark pike
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Remember what I said about box office dips?

kindred hedge
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but if they said publicly that avatar 2 cost twice as much they would be reamed for it

spark pike
upbeat forum
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I will listen to that blasting in the cinema

spark pike
upbeat forum
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Yeah that’s Transformers mate

spark pike
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Its gonna happen to Flash

upbeat forum
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Okay maybe but

spark pike
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BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO EVERY MOVIE

uncut grotto
upbeat forum
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Yep

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But that’s just like

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Obvious

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Not an astute observation

kindred hedge
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congrats on learning 2nd weekends exist

uncut grotto
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😭😭😭😭😭

spark pike
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Flash ain’t making anything anymore

potent nebula
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The flash gonna release on vod this month or in july for sure

upbeat forum
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Yes
the movie will begin to earn less over time


wheat shard
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I’m glad the brave and the bold isn’t gonna have multiverse

manic garden
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On TikTok all I see is the scene where flash's head is just floating

uncut grotto
dapper ivy
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Transformers, The Flash, Elementals. Which other summer movies are gonna join the box office bomb club

upbeat forum
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Indy 5

spark pike
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Blud nothing is making money this month

upbeat forum
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Spiderverse is

spark pike
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This is the worst month in movie history

dapper ivy
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Spiderverse

kindred hedge
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lol come check out april 2020

uncut grotto
spark pike
upbeat forum
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Here’s the trick to making a lot of money

potent nebula
upbeat forum
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Make a good movie

upbeat forum
kindred hedge
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indy 5 is gonna be big i think people are wildly underselling that movie

uncut grotto
dapper ivy
potent nebula
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Barbie will do better than the flash lmao

uncut grotto
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I posted this earlier

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spark pike
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Pride Month 2023 has effectively become a movie graveyard, with only one survivor being Spider-Man

kindred hedge
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graveyard seems strong

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again, there have been worse times

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and movies have done much worse than the flash

uncut grotto
spark pike
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Majority of big releases have that price tag by the way

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The 100 million dollar marketing cost

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For the trailers and the superbowl spots

kindred hedge
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again, studios dont count that

deep stratus
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How does the flash compare to mcus multiverse movie DS MOM

uncut grotto
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The bigger budget movies will always struggle the most

spark pike
potent nebula
uncut grotto
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Indiana Jones + Mission impossible is really risky

wheat shard
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Justice league had a worse opening weekend

uncut grotto
spark pike
kindred hedge
spark pike
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It made 260 million

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Already a disappointment

kindred hedge
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yeah it only made 10M

spark pike
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But the large ass marketing cost made them lose even more money

kindred hedge
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again, studios dont count any marketing costs beyond the public budget

spark pike
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150 million dollar marketing price tag

kindred hedge
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they dont include that

uncut grotto
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LOOOL

kindred hedge
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it was a dissapointment on the 250 price tag alone

uncut grotto
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Remember John Carter

kindred hedge
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yeah that was this run of bad live action movies for disney

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damn near sank the company

uncut grotto
spark pike
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The smaller the budget, the better the marketing costs can be

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But large ass budgets + marketing costs = disaster

kindred hedge
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its the sunk cost fallacy

uncut grotto
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I like mission impossible but I’m worried this year

potent nebula
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It will deliver

uncut grotto
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At least they already have the other part planned

kindred hedge
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john carter, lone ranger, sorcerers apprentice

spark pike
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Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One has nothing to worry about in terms of box office

kindred hedge
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tron legacy

spark pike
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Because of the fact that nothing else releases until the very end of the month

kindred hedge
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that early 2010s for disney live action was rough

uncut grotto
spark pike
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M:I7 is perfectly fine

potent nebula
uncut grotto
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đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

kindred hedge
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and that was also along with mars needs moms a movie you probably forgot existed, but was one of the more infamous bombs in history

potent nebula
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Tom cruise

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Guy is a box office bom

round escarp
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I run through the movie, and a word that describes it to me is "smart".

uncut grotto
spark pike
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Clain you just need to understand the fact that


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Big Studios can’t do this shit anymore

potent nebula
kindred hedge
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oh they can and they do

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theyll keep doing it

spark pike
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Its making them lose money

kindred hedge
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its a tradition as old as time

uncut grotto
wheat shard
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Tom cruise
. ||reverse flash||

uncut grotto
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Probably more than I’ve seen in a while

kindred hedge
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hollywood studios manage money like quantum mechanics

spark pike
rigid lance
spark pike
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But a shit ton of money

kindred hedge
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im aware movies cost lots of money

rigid lance
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What’s the percentage at rn

dapper ivy
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The fact that Black Adam most likely had a higher opening than The Flash 💀

kindred hedge
spark pike
kindred hedge
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they never do

rigid lance
kindred hedge
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they never will

spark pike
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THEY HAVE TO

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BECAUSE THATS HOW MONEY WORKS

kindred hedge
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thats just a fact of hollywood

spark pike
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Its not a fact of hollywood

kindred hedge
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they literally dont

spark pike
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Its a fact of bankruptcy

kindred hedge
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thats how theyve always managed their money and how they report costs

spark pike
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The marketing kills movie

rigid lance
spark pike
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You need the budget + marketing first

kindred hedge
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but they never include all the budget

uncut grotto
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They offered him a role

spark pike
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Then we need 2x that just to get our money back

kindred hedge
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or all the marketing

spark pike
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Then past that is additional profit

kindred hedge
upbeat forum
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You’d do it too for a bag

spark pike
upbeat forum
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If my opinion suddenly changes on this movie just know they gave me a nice bag

wheat shard
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Tom cruise as reverse flash

uncut grotto
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Keep Tom away from that shitshow 😭

kindred hedge
spark pike
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I understand that but where does the additional profit come from?

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Because we got our money back

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But we just have our money back

wheat shard
spark pike
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Studios need more than that

kindred hedge
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additional profit is just whatever else we get back

rigid lance
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I got a question

dapper ivy
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Tom Cruise is the only reason Paramount is gonna be able keep the lights on.

rigid lance
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Does this film even reset the universe?

kindred hedge
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sorta?

rigid lance
#

wdym sorta?

kindred hedge
#

look the superman movie is the real start point

wheat shard
#

Joaquin @uncut grotto

uncut grotto
rigid lance
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Isn’t this the start of James guns thing

kindred hedge
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its not a total reset

rigid lance
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Wait

kindred hedge
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it doesnt really totally establish the new world of these movies

uncut grotto
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He’s still stuck in a different timeline

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They gotta address that

rigid lance
kindred hedge
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this movie is still a artifact of a different era

wheat shard
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kindred hedge
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they wont totally establish the new universe till his superman movie happens

rigid lance
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I got a question

spark pike
uncut grotto
spark pike
wheat shard
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This movie should have reset everything tbh

rigid lance
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So, did they actually plan this stuff before they made the flash?

kindred hedge
uncut grotto
spark pike
kindred hedge
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nope

spark pike
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It’s always been that way

wheat shard
#

IDEK đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

rigid lance
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This shit is wack man

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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it really isnt. thats getting healthy profit margins, not the start of profit

rigid lance
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This shit is sooo wack

spark pike
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Anything below 2x is a disappointment

potent nebula
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The flash 1 billion box office when

rigid lance
spark pike
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Because they got only their money that they spent back, and nothing more

rigid lance
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That’s breaking even

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WHAT

spark pike
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They broke even but they need more cash

kindred hedge
spark pike
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Its how this shit always worked

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They break even and then they need more money to do more stuff

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Otherwise they are recycling the same old money over and over again while continuously losing that shit over time

kindred hedge
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you know when you get your money back you can reinvest it right?

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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you invest it, you earn some profit, invest it again

rigid lance
spark pike
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Its whats past breaking even

uncut grotto
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Profit

rigid lance
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But keep in mind if I spent 200 mill in the film, the first 200 mill is going to paying thag shit back

kindred hedge
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just because studios like to make 5 gagillion dollars, doesnt mean profit is bad

spark pike
rigid lance
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Wdym bruh

kindred hedge
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yeah but then you add this extra "they need to make 400 or its a waste" thing

uncut grotto
spark pike
#

We make the money back, breaking even, to pay for it. But now we need our stuff back.

rigid lance
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I meant that including marketing

spark pike
kindred hedge
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thats what breaking even means

rigid lance
#

Guys listen

spark pike
rigid lance
#

It’s about drive

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It’s about power

kindred hedge
rigid lance
#

And it’s going down fast right?

kindred hedge
#

you dont need to double your investment to make profit

uncut grotto
spark pike
kindred hedge
uncut grotto
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😭😭😭😭

kindred hedge
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thats not how math works

spark pike
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You are looking at a bare bones version of the box office

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I AM LOOKING AT HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS

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Shit breaks even first, the total cost

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We paid it off

rigid lance
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Gamer why you crying?

kindred hedge
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if i spend 5 dollars, and make back 5 dollars, im not losing money

uncut grotto
uncut grotto
spark pike
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Its how simple box office works

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The barebones fundamentals

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We make the money back

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Pay it off

rigid lance
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I’m so confused

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I need a nap

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Like rn

spark pike
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Me too

uncut grotto
rigid lance
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Cause I thought

uncut grotto
#

Who’s bro paying off

rigid lance
#

This shit was gonna be the end

uncut grotto
#

You just made your money back

kindred hedge
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yeah and you did that, but then you say its still losing money if it doesnt make twice the amount you spent

rigid lance
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The entire universe

spark pike
kindred hedge
spark pike
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The 2x rule is so movies make what they spent and more

rigid lance
spark pike
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Its a disappointment

kindred hedge
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hes saying if a movie doesnt make twice that you spent you lost money

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and hes including marketing

rigid lance
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When a movie spends 200 mil, and gets 300 mill it’s only made a gross of 100 mill right?

uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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yes

uncut grotto
#

What’s bro saying

spark pike
uncut grotto
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I’m confused

kindred hedge
uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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guys just inventing new math

spark pike
rigid lance
spark pike
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Which can cause studio write downs

rigid lance
#

Well no that’s not accurate

uncut grotto
rigid lance
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400 is ideal, but not necessarily a loss

spark pike
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Im gonna leave it at that

kindred hedge
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yes because thats what they aim for

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thats not the actual point of making money

spark pike
#




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Im going now

rigid lance
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WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS FILM IS FLOPPING RIGHT?

spark pike
kindred hedge
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wait
interested in hollywood ecomomics
invented new math
is this terrence howard?

rigid lance
#

So let’s just all, hug and make up

uncut grotto
uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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itll probably make its budget back, but WB was clearly hoping for a 1B smash hit

rigid lance
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ARE YOU SEIOUS?!

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LMFAOO

craggy pier
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Film would have made more if they showed Flash farting his way through to give him extra speed power

rigid lance
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THEY WANTED 1 BIL?

kindred hedge
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yeah but studios rarely admit to the whole budget

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im including marketing in that

spark pike
#

Im not gonna explain basic fundamentals of Box office anymore

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Goodbye

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I got an aquarium to visit

uncut grotto
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You ain’t no businessman blud

kindred hedge
uncut grotto
#

😂😂😂😂

rigid lance
uncut grotto
#

Mf thought he did something

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Stick to fortnite

rigid lance
#

They did hype it up alot

kindred hedge
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i probably believe they really had amazing test audiences

rigid lance
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But damn even I knew that at the most it would do 500-600 mil world wide

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Nothing near a mil

kindred hedge
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but, this has been a busy month for box office

rigid lance
uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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and i think the marketing campaign probably got depressed

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because you couldnt have michael keaton go on kimmel or whatever

uncut grotto
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They had to market the hell out of this with all the Ezra shenanigans

kindred hedge
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the budget made this too hard to swallow

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batgirl was around 80-100M

uncut grotto
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True

kindred hedge
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this was 3-4 times that

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you had to put this movie out

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you had to try to recoup the money

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batgirl tested the same as black adam

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but they figured the rock would even things out

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in a sense it did

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just not the way he thought

spark pike
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Apologies for my anger for the box office conversation

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Agree to disagree beyond the break even point

uncut grotto
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No

dapper ivy
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Dc on the way to making multiple Batman movies

spark pike
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The Batman - Part II sweep

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Battinson

wheat shard
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I hope the Batman 2 can make a billion

dapper ivy
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Battinson and reeves are like the kid on the swing completely unaware on the trash fire that is the dceu next to them

rigid lance
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It’s so funny

wheat shard
rigid lance
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The best DC films to come out in recent years haven’t been cannon to the DCU

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The Batman

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The joker

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Oscar winning films

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It’s like night and day

wheat shard
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Elseworlds is about to be the kino division of dc

dapper ivy
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The only division of dc

rigid lance
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Little to no continuity

wheat shard
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All we need now is

rigid lance
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Wonder Woman can fly in 1980 but years later can’t

wheat shard
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Ben Affleck directing Gotham central tv show

rigid lance
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Flash is scared of fighting in Justince League, yet his able to capture boomerang in suicide Squad

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It’s like every director was fighting for their own vision and was unwilling to build upon threads and plot points set up by another

wheat shard
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Things will shape up hopefully

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Joker 2 seems like it’s gonna be good

rigid lance
#

I mean shit, could have had the CW set up a cross over for this film. And the season finale ends with Ezra showing up in the CW verse which then leads into the flash film

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But no

wheat shard
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I truly believe the lady Gaga factor will bring in people who didn’t watch joker before, but that’s just me

rigid lance
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Ezra Miller Ctrl V

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What a joke

wheat shard
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And they will market the hell out of lady Gaga

rigid lance
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Like it’s right there

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And they still miss

upbeat forum
uncut grotto
kindred hedge
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Gonna make a bet: the flash after this will become the new green lantern, a core DC brand in development hell on a reboot

cunning timber
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I can read the Chinese, lol first time was probably true
 in theaters waiting for the film to start, don’t have super high expectation is how you go about it, honestly.

cunning timber
kindred hedge
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eh green lantern youve just got to do star wars again

cunning timber
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Lol

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Problem with Green Lantern, is that outside of the Corps stuff, it’s very daily grind, so I think the new Green Lantern buddy cop concept is the right direction to go. At least at the moment, except the Authority, i like all the Gunn directions.

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And it’s not going to be easy to do Brightest Day, Darkest Night arcs, arguably the greatest Lantern Corps storylines ever, completely solo.

kindred hedge
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hes i think being very smart in selectively picking unique ideas to adapt instead of trying to just slap "we need a cyborg movie cause hes in JL" on the slate

cunning timber
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Mmhmm

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Ok film starting, laterz

charred veldt
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the opening bothers me so much

upbeat forum
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I like the part where the logo comes up

shell flower
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Why is this movie getting so much hate

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I thought it was 9/10

spark pike
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The 2x budget rule kills all

upbeat forum
spark pike
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Break Even Point is total cost: sets profit down to zero

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I can rest easy

manic garden
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It's poetic that Ezra miller is the villain in the flash

spark pike
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Knowing the Flash will fail

cunning timber
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Ok, i see the “subpar” cgi, but the movie itself is good

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Fun enough, 3.5/5, 7/10 for a normal film, 4/5, 8/10 for a superhero film.

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Wait
. Is Batman and Robin now Canon?

cunning timber
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Well not a 9/10, but not a 1-2

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The cgi is an issue, but that’s not bad enough to take away from the film.

uncut grotto
uncut grotto
uncut grotto
pallid onyx
cunning timber
pallid onyx
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I mean hopefully that was at the least done

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For me the family doesn’t exactly make it okay though because you can’t truly speak for a dead person

cunning timber
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No, but estate/next of kin does speak for them by law, unfortunately.

pallid onyx
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There’s a less sleazy way of going about wanting to show off these other worlds with the older actors, just use archival footage or something. Why does anyone need a scene of Ezra Miller Flash interacting to an uncanny looking Christopher Reece stand in

cunning timber
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Nick Cage shots too, for instance, one of them looks ok, the other doesn’t.

cunning timber
stuck briar
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What a disaster. This film is going to bomb.

cunning timber
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I don’t think it was sleazy, if they did it PERFECT.

stuck briar
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Shameful that they choose to cgi characters of actors who are deceased.

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Also it’s crazy how many comments this channel already has despite the movie being new.

dapper ivy
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The fact that Warner bros trusted this movie the most over Batgirl, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2 is concerning.

cunning timber
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I think the whole CGI of dead actor thing has been in debate forever, and it’s inevitable, sooner or later. It’s a shame it had to be this way. If the first full cameo was a drama piece, done to perfection, and maybe it’s been done on a few others, then what they’ve done would’ve just a debate on the quality of the CGI and not the ethics.

cunning timber
# dapper ivy The fact that Warner bros trusted this movie the most over Batgirl, Blue Beetle,...

Aquaman 2 had issues with Amber Heard, so a large part of that would’ve needed to be fixed, that will take time, Blue Beetle was always supposed to be this year, Batgirl I blame stupid execs, because it was already nearly done, just pending release
 the fact that they chose to think that the promotional and distribution budget is going to cost a further loss speaks volumes on their astonishing thought process. Remember, these are the people that fucked with JL so much that it became something else, while the Snyder cut is much much better (at least, in my subjective opinions). I just hope that they will back off once the Gunn-led projects starts to go into production, and of course at the moment Gunn has proven only that he can run franchise and comic films, not a full studio. My faith in him hasn’t been validated yet.

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I sort of refuse to believe that releasing Batgirl on HBO Max or VOD will not at least make back the distribution platform costs involved
 which is still better than writing off the whole film and vaulting it. With Brandon Frazier having a bit of resurgence, they could’ve ridden that to at least recoup SOME if not ALL of the production cost
 instead of writing it off as a loss for tax purposes.

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I mean, yes, writing it off as a loss means a whole chunk of it can be remediated and gotten back as a reduction of the business tax, but MAKING money to cover for losses is STILL a better business decision.

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They can still write parts of it off, even if the film failed.

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I’m just glad that BW Animation is really a separate and mostly independent group.

upbeat forum
cunning timber
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Sorry, ranting again

cunning timber
upbeat forum
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I think they mean actual screentime

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Dark Flash was certainly around for like 2/3 minutes

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But actual time on screen is a minute

spark pike
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So
 they couldn’t beat Zod?

upbeat forum
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No

cunning timber
spark pike
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Cue the cool punch

upbeat forum
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Young Flash isn’t the brightest tool in the shed

cunning timber
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No tragic back story, no hero lol

upbeat forum
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And Barry bravely overcame that by
making the same mistake at the end

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Good no message learnt here

spark pike
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Im happy that Ezra Miller is stuck in the dimension where George Clooney is batman.

upbeat forum
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It’s the other way around

spark pike
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The evil is locked away

upbeat forum
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George Clooney is stuck in the dceu

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Like their own universe for scraps now

spark pike
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Does he retain the nipples?

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That is the true question

upbeat forum
#

Questions we wish we knew the answer to

spark pike
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Will not be answered until Flash 2

cunning timber
spark pike
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Snyder is stupid because Mr Freeze would be the perfect Batfleck bad guy

upbeat forum
cunning timber
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You mean this version?

spark pike
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The Batman and Robin version?

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No

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The cooler version

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The Flash 2 will answer the following questions:

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  1. Does Batman have nipples?
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That’s all

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Reverse Flash will be played by the officer that arrested him in Hawaii

upbeat forum
cunning timber
cunning timber
azure ingot
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"I could drug you"

  • An actual line said in the Flash by Ezra Miller himself
cunning timber
#

Miller did a good job in The Flash, but I don’t ever want to see him in a film again until he fucking gets a therapist and spends honest time working on himself.

azure ingot
cunning timber
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I like her a lot actually

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All the non-CGI actors did well tomlol

minor sluice
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This was laughably bad

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Also Rudy Mancuso from vine was in this

upbeat forum
cunning timber
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Oh right, he was supposed to be helming Nick Cage Superman huh?

upbeat forum
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But I think Kevin wrote it or something? He was involved

cunning timber
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Oh ok

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

upbeat forum
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So his idea basically

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His script

cunning timber
#

But yeah, sooner or later digital dead actors will be a thing, imho
 I would’ve preferred that it happened on a more “conventional” film first few times, since sorting through the ethics will be a lot easier (still very hard) with those.

upbeat forum
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It’s wrong that’s for sure

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And to defend them as Kevin Smith did is..not the right approach

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Most especially with George Reeves

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Which is just why would they include him

cunning timber
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Indeed, but not Grant Gustin’s Flash or any of the really good Supermen etc

upbeat forum
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Well they’re still alive

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So many options for alive actors

cunning timber
#

George Reeves should’ve been more archival footage I understand. But short of actually able to make dead speak, im sure their next of kin agreed, and I have less rights than them to discuss if it’s appropriate, you know? At least they PERSONALLY knew him.

cunning timber
upbeat forum
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He’s the last person that should ever be considered to be referenced

cunning timber
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I’m sure the inclusions was supposed to be a sendup, but it felt more as an insult or tone deaf

cunning timber
upbeat forum
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They’re the most cheap cameos out of all these old cameo homage stuff

cunning timber
#

Adam West at least always loved what he did on The Batman

upbeat forum
#

I mean

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Lynda Carter is right there

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Brandon Routh, Tyler Hoechlin

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So many options

cunning timber
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Yup

upbeat forum
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But in an ideal world it doesn’t even happen

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That confrontation with Black Flash lasts 4 minutes from him entering to him being erased

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And genuinely 2 and a half minutes of that are the cameos

cunning timber
#

As I’ve said, Adam West and Christopher Reeves were proud of their work as superheroes, George Reeves didn’t, at all.

upbeat forum
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He literally killed himself over it

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That should say enough for them to think maybe let’s not include him

cunning timber
cunning timber
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He did shoot it I think

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All the TV supermen Dean Cain etc etc

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Anyhow, I’m going to go back to work for a couple more hours

upbeat forum
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I just think don’t have that scene at all

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Adds nothing, no point

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Let’s stop doing this for no reason other than to get people to watch it

tidal obsidian
#

I said earlier that this movie was cooked domestically at the box-office. But that it could be saved by international audiences.

rigid hawk
tidal obsidian
#

I'm gonna have to walk that back

rigid hawk
#

If this number holds.. its a certified flop

tidal obsidian
#

The Flash only made 9 million dollars in Mexico

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And China only gave it 13 million

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This movie is DOA across the board

rigid hawk
#

Black widow came out day and date in Disney plus and the Flash can make even lower than that ??

upbeat forum
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It’s done

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It was over before it even began

tidal obsidian
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And gotten a tax write off

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You're joking, but after these results?

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It's a genuine argument to make

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The filmmakers of Blue Beetle better watch out

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Zaslav might consider shelving it

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and you can forget about big marketing campaigns for it

dapper ivy
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The previous regime really did screw over Warner bros

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Honestly should’ve just canned everything including Shazam 2

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Elvis

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And tbh that’s all I can name

upbeat forum
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It did not

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You know it actually grossed less than the original

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Had a simultaneous release

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They were relying on Flash doing well to pay for their marketing campaigns for Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2

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So now they’re kinda screwed on that front

dapper ivy
#

The devil made me do it made money

upbeat forum
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Yeah small budget of 150m

rigid hawk
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Too much money involved to do that

dapper ivy
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But most people don’t even know Blue Beetle exists

upbeat forum
#

They’re screwed

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If we don’t count The Batman

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And Joker

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Just the actual dceu movies, the last 8 have flopped

rigid hawk
#

DCEU.. not DC, Batman did well and look at the Joker

dapper ivy
#

Like they weren’t already?

upbeat forum
#

Joker feels like it was a one trick pony

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Trying to replicate that will be interesting

rigid hawk
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I think the new one will do very but a billion dollars.. I don't see it

upbeat forum
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Too early to make guesses

rigid hawk
#

Lady gaga as Harley is interesting

upbeat forum
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But we’ll see soon

rigid hawk
#

Ya

upbeat forum
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They’ve definitely got 4 flops on their hands this year

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Just gotta try and get Jason Momoa to work that mom magic

rigid hawk
#

I think Aqua man 2 can make some money but doubtful now

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Movies are just so expensive these days esp comicbook movies

upbeat forum
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To be fair sometimes they do but they get inflated

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But they spend a lot of money that they don’t have to

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Well they do

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It’s just that this year has shown the strongest correlation between quality and box office of any

dapper ivy
#

Tom Gun Maverick and Avatar 2

upbeat forum
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After covid, people are wanting to see better movies in the cinema

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The movies that make a lot of money are the ones with a generally good consensus

dapper ivy
#

Paramount’s only savior left at the box office is the myth the legend himself Tom Cruise

rigid hawk
#

It was a really good movie as well, a movie making a billion dollars has many repeat viewers and people don't rewatch movies they don't like

upbeat forum
#

He loves everything

rigid hawk
upbeat forum
#

Bless

upbeat forum
rigid hawk
upbeat forum
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You sure take a good shot at it

rigid hawk
#

I had a blast with that movie

upbeat forum
#

You could argue you didn’t personally like Mario

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But general consensus found it to be good

rigid hawk
dapper ivy
#

People still wanna see Superhero movies if it’s Superheroes people care about. The niche superheroes are done.

upbeat forum
#

NichĂ© superheroes aren’t done

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Guardians 3 grossed $800m

rigid hawk
#

Agreed

tidal obsidian
upbeat forum
#

They just want good movies

tidal obsidian
#

exceptions are horror movies

dapper ivy
#

Guardians of the galaxy isn’t niche anymore though

upbeat forum
#

Horror just always makes good money anyway

azure ingot
tidal obsidian
#

they can have no IP and lower audience scores and still make bank

dapper ivy
#

Ever since the second one Guardians become a household name

upbeat forum
#

Marvel thing doesn’t work much now

rigid hawk
#

Oh sure.. and X men dark phoenix and the new mutants were masterpieces too

upbeat forum
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They’re earning a lot less

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The good ones are earning more

tidal obsidian
#

If I were James Gunn, I'd be calling Zaslav and asking for more time on Legacy. Releasing that movie in 2025 is not a good timeline. DC needs a break and a hard reboot.

upbeat forum
#

Quantumania vs Guardians for your most recent comparison

rigid hawk
#

I trust in Gunn

tidal obsidian
dapper ivy
#

For Superman Legacy don’t even focus on creating a universe. Just make a good hopeful Superman movie

tidal obsidian
#

Gunn ain't Superman

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The audience is burned

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They need a breather

rigid hawk
azure ingot
# rigid hawk I trust in Gunn

I’m honestly thankful that this hard reset happened with Gunn. The current DCU is just a left behind mess by Zack Snyder

upbeat forum
#

Please tell me where I said they were a failure

rigid hawk
upbeat forum
#

They’re earning a lot less overall, that’s not an opinion it’s a fact

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They’re not failing tho

azure ingot
rigid hawk
upbeat forum
#

There’s a difference

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Joker and The Batman were wildly different and creative

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Gives an incentive to see it

azure ingot
#

Not by a Zack Snyder fan by all means, but I wonder what would’ve been the DCU if Zack Snyder didn’t left Production and her daughter was still living

dapper ivy
#

I hate to say it but Snyder wouldn’t have been any better.

tidal obsidian
# rigid hawk I think he can

They said the same about Travis Knight. Who arguably made the best Transformers movie by a LANDSLIDE. A- Cinemascore, High critic reviews. And it's the lowest grossing of the franchise. Well, not after Rise of the Beasts continues stinking up the box-office.

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They're the exceptions proving the rule

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I just don’t think Snyder was the right fit.

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Pretty sure he was told by the big WB heads he has to keep them since they’re their best received projects both critically and financially

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There's not even a comparison between MCU and DCEU movies right now.. like one of the worst MCU movies in Antman 4 may make more money than a relatively better DC movie in the flash

upbeat forum
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Sandman is different though because that’s Netflix

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Just DC IP

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