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#š„Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
west bridge
hoary sphinx
Supaidamann sei sutapu feitinguru!
west bridge
Supaidamann sei sutapu feitinguru!
???
main cloak
Supaidamann sei sutapu feitinguru!
I couldn't agree more
hoary sphinx
(Japanese Spider-Man from the Japanese TV show, say to stop fighing, with Japanese English lol)
west bridge
Ohhhhhh
hoary sphinx
main cloak
(Japanese Spider-Man from the Japanese TV show, say to stop fighing, with Japane...
I dig it
west bridge
https://tenor.com/view/supaidaman-gif-21372800
oh shit
hoary sphinx
Original rumours was that heāll be in Across, but word now is that heāll be in Beyondā¦ weāll see in March
hoary sphinx
main cloak
hoary sphinx
oh shit
Do naato eegunoru Supaidamann, Supaidamann uses gunsu
(And he has a cool flying car and a giant robot)
Also, his costume pops out like The Flash
frigid prism
Dewit knows what's up š
Yup
main cloak
Absolute king
hoary sphinx
Absolute king
Supaidaman is probably the coolest non-originally invented by the Spiderverse movie Spider-Man after Emo-Tobey/Venom Suit
quaint fox
There needs to be a Little Simz track in the Beyond the Spider-Verse soundtrackš„
tropic dune
this is 2 videos, but apparently there's 2 slightly different versions of the film?
i definely remember the 2nd clip both times i saw it
ornate frigate
https://twitter.com/tesso_dan/status/1671915201711554562?s=46&t=onZPQ6V4LhmSLEPb...
not only that
this part as well
tropic dune
yeah thats part of the thread
ornate frigate
Lyla either just says she either she enjoys it or pulls out an iphone
got the one that had the iphone
spring panther
saw this movie it was so good
indigo bluff
Wonder if thereās any bias there Miles Morales
rotund barn
saw this movie it was so good, The Shining better
dusty bough
Thereās a 0% chance beyond comes out March 2024
dusty bough
Yeah beyond need to be delayed
indigo bluff
tropic dune
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1672242299563134976
producers try to have empathy for workers challenge (impossible)
rancid fern
Goddammitā¦..just when we thought the animation industry did something rightā¦.
main cloak
Well it's not the workers fault producers have zero empathy for worker rights.
The film can be considered great yet we can still criticize the conditions it was made under.
dusty bough
Glad this is coming out now
Awful treatment of animators and VFX artists needs to drastically be brought to light
flint stratus
Sadly it's the norm in the industry
Disappointed but not surprised
Also knowing the next movie is gonna come out next year is already asking for trouble
stone cosmos
Thereās just no way itās meeting that deadline Sony are fucking delusional
dusty bough
Also knowing the next movie is gonna come out next year is already asking for tr...
Thereās a non-existent chance it comes out next year
flint stratus
I will be shock if it still does
stone cosmos
If it does itāll be Foodfight quality
flint stratus
The greatest downfall of all time
indigo bluff
They say that Lord was very inexperienced
Shame because he seems like a nice guy
flint stratus
Like the other user said, it's more to do with the mismanagement and not the labour itself
It was stated Phil demanded more revisions and revealed lack of understanding on 3D animation
Well the former contributed the latter but you get the idea
indigo bluff
Like the other user said, it's more to do with the mismanagement and not the lab...
It was also labour
Long long hour days and 7 day weeks
flint stratus
Revisions often lead to work overtime for animators
strong tangle
Werenāt they also working on Beyond at the same time tho?
muted dune
apparently not
dusty bough
Yeah idk what Sony was thinking with that March 24 date
frigid prism
I expected the movie to get delayed anyway.
tropic dune
Werenāt they also working on Beyond at the same time tho?
according to the vulture article, no
last shale
Like the other user said, it's more to do with the mismanagement and not the lab...
Which is also kinda crazy since they directed a film with 3d animation (Lego movie)
But who knows how that process was considering they also had a live action film they also directed come out that exact same year, 2014
dusty bough
They need to get Chris Miller back in the process
last shale
https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1672283572533870592
Preferring to edit fully rendered stuff is absurd
That's very time and money consuming
Usually editing happens in storyboards I believe so they don't have to work on and render scenes that won't end up in the final film
dusty bough
Yeah it seems this issue is mainly a backwards process for animation
It shouldnāt be planned out like itās live action
blazing plaza
Like the other user said, it's more to do with the mismanagement and not the lab...
Wasn't the revisions an Amy Pascal complaint?
torn terrace
when i tell you as an animation student we get so much work we have to work all night into the next day, on zero sleep and often with injuries due to the overwork, and said school excusing that as "well that's how it'll be in the industry" it often feels like conditioning...
flint stratus
Sheridan and CalArt art school in the nutshell
torn terrace
they can't get me in here so this is SCAD
SCAD does this
we get insane three month quarters and three classes with over two weeks worth of work that we need to complete by the next week
it's an absolute nightmare
I have to use a wrist brace now any again because of the overwork, it genuinely is deterimental to my body
flint stratus
Not surprised about SCAD
Have friends who attended Sheridan and sound absolute nightmare from what I heard, especially the lack of commodation during the pandemic
dusty bough
Unionize animators and VFX artists
torn terrace
they always excuse this dogshit schedule with "oh the industry is like this, you're just gonna have to get used to it" miss paula wallace i would like to live past the age of 25
i had a friend who was an animation lead on this project for a Juneteenth event they came to scad for
they were tired all the time, whenever i met them in the halls i'd always tried to cheer them up but it was rough for them, too rough
the amount of work they completed in three months was nearly impossible
flint stratus
Looking back, it is pretty nasty they used this excuse toward impressionable people who really want to get into the art school considering the industry is like 10x less stressful compared to the ridiculous amount of workload you do for school
Thankfully I have mentors who reiliterate the latter a lot of times during my amimation school
torn terrace
my professor for my animated short film class tried his best to make the workload for the film as simple as possible
imposing limits such as the film only being 30 seconds and taking place in one location, using rigs you found, etc.
it was WORSE than this BEFORE us
i think the films had to be longer back then and you had to make your own assets
in THREE MONTHS
torn terrace
the amount of work they completed in three months was nearly impossible
they literally didnt finish the work til the tail end of the quarter
flint stratus
For my class we did 2 short film for one semester, but our 3-4min short made up our courses throughout the year, so we don't have to simontanously do another courses seperate and the film
And that's not taking account about the compeitions. Heard nasty stories about people working with classmastes from competitive schools
torn terrace
ive heard of student films that went under cause the director genuinely just lost his mind rewriting and redoing things
torn terrace
that wasnt my intent, im just saying to be very aware about productions you join in the future
know your worth, sometimes working on a big IP isn't the end all be all
small productions can be just as worthwhile
last shale
If it wasn't a two parter film I think less people would be upset
dusty bough
People are spoiled
Return of the Jedi came out 3 years after the biggest cliffhanger in film history
last shale
And what a disappointment that film was tbh
flint stratus
https://twitter.com/canwegettoast/status/1672273633291509760?s=46&t=PZRLVDzdsQZY...
Is this a legit confirmation or speculation?
Full article on the work chrunch
dusty bough
Is this a legit confirmation or speculation?
The account usually has good intel
So itās most likely accurate
strong tangle
They shouldnāt be upset when the sequel took 4 years to release.
dusty bough
Twitter
torn terrace
I genuinely don't believe that Lord doesn't know how 3D works
you can't make something like Spider-Verse without knowing how 3D works
and from what I've read, this mostly seemed like HIS movie
west bridge
you can't make something like Spider-Verse without knowing how 3D works
Anything is possible
All it is a a leap of faith
Thatās all it takes
indigo bluff
Is this a legit confirmation or speculation?
Speculation
And regardless
Itās likeā¦no shit
dim violet
Spot was hilarious in this movie
indigo bluff
MY EXCLUSIVE SCOOP: The movie will be delayed to either 2025 or 2026 or 2027 or 2028
dim violet
I donāt think itāll get delayed
indigo bluff
It will
dim violet
I donāt think so because they did it back to back
indigo bluff
They didnāt unfortunately
indigo bluff
Literally havenāt even started on Beyond yet
The stuff thatās done for Beyond
Is stuff that was there when it was all one big movie
Before they split them up
dim violet
They*
indigo bluff
Yes
dim violet
Beyond wonāt be delayed that far I donāt think even if it will be
indigo bluff
The very shortest itāll be delayed is to mid/late 2025
Likely it moves to Sonyās nice June 27th 2025 date
dim violet
I hope itās longer than Across
indigo bluff
No need
dim violet
Why not
rancid fern
If they're sticking to that deadline, then it's gonna be CRUNCHY CRUNCH and that's terrible.
last shale
Flashbacks to toy story 2 being forced to be done in under 9 months
brave sonnet
Ngl it seems concerning i see a lot of ppl online saying the movie is good so its just part of the process
Theres no pretty way to paint it its overworking at the sacrifice of the animators mental health
dusty bough
*Flashbacks to toy story 2 being forced to be done in under 9 months*
Wait seriously?
Damn
brave sonnet
Bruh and that movie got accidentally deleted lol
And was saved by the fact that one person had their own copy
dusty bough
I thought that happened early on
flint stratus
The copy they recovered was only 20-40% progress before scaping the whole thing from the start
west bridge
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1672235561023594499
BRO
BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
COME ON BRO
THIS AIN'T REAL
west bridge
Bruh and that movie got accidentally deleted lol
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
NAH
THEY DELETED THE FILM
last shale
He's talking about toy story 2
last shale
Either ways yeah chances of this film keeping that March release is slim
fallow fable
And was saved by the fact that one person had their own copy
And then I think they fired that person this year 
dusty bough
Either ways yeah chances of this film keeping that March release is slim
It would be an awful PR move to keep it at March 2024 too on top of the obvious concerns of overworking animators
Iād be shocked if it came out prior to dec 2024 at the earliest
brave sonnet
I hope phil lord owns up to this and apologizes
If not or he rubs it off as an overreaction its just gonna look worse on him
dusty bough
Yeah donāt become the next John Lasseter
last shale
That's a whole other situation lol
But yeah he should try to be more smart and professional
torn terrace
Realistically I think Phil will quietly change how he works
I don't think he'll say anything
I think he's smart enough to know when to keep his mouth shut
The best route would be an apology and a promise to do better
That would be a great route
But i doubt it
Anyway it doesn't seem like he's a bad, prideful person
He just has a certain way about doing things that doesn't work for the medium he's working in
If he adjusts it and takes criticism I think he'll come out of this a-ok
He decides to get defensive it's a wrap
But i am likely (hoping) that he's just gonna be radiosilent about it and change behind the scenes
If he doesn't I'll be sorry disappointed, I looked up to the guy.
I don't think the blame should be sorely on him though
Amy Pascal deff had a hand on this and it seems like they're trying to pin it on Phil only
Spider-Verse is such a massive thing I think he'll tread carefully
I'd hate for the third film to not land becauee they didn't give everyone enough time
Also I'm not gonna blame Chris for not being around, he's a co-writer but he's busy with The Afterparty and Clone High
tropic dune
a lot of the crunch definitely isn't entirely lord's fault
but some of the specifics like his indecisiveness and forcing the animators to finish scenes before he decides if he likes them definitely are, which are a major contributing factor to it
but there's an entire corporate culture in the film industry that allows that to happen in the first place
last shale
But i am likely (hoping) that he's just gonna be radiosilent about it and change...
Considering people have now noted people don't like working with him for a couple years now then uh
But uh yeah I hope that does happen
last shale
If he doesn't I'll be sorry disappointed, I looked up to the guy.
Yeah same as a writer and visual innovator
indigo bluff
Realistically I think Phil will quietly change how he works
Typically something like this is going to be followed up heavily internally
I assume heāll be taking more time with teams and stuff
brave sonnet
amy pascal is a demon
strong tangle
Theyāll actually surprise us and push it forward a few months
brave sonnet
she got balls to act like this after the sony hack
š
i'm seeing too many ppl agree with pascal. if the movie was bad, no one would
Fr
dim violet
What did she do?
brave sonnet
What did she do?
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1672242299563134976?s=20 this among other past things. google her
dim violet
She isnāt a bad person right
indigo bluff
Sheās a bad person
dim violet
Is she as bad as other people In Hollywood
strong tangle
Like. If you donāt succeed try try again. I understand her if thatās what sheās getting at
indigo bluff
What sheās saying is that you should be willing to work countless hours (they were complaining about 11+ hour days 7 days a week) until the film is right
And obviously she has stuff beyond this
The Sony email stuff
strong tangle
Iām in the dark, what email stuff
brave sonnet
remember when sony got hacked?
dim violet
I understand what sheās saying but it isnāt the correct way to say it
brave sonnet
Amy threw a sandwich at kevin feige
indigo bluff
When Sony got hacked and all their emails came out
Sheād said racist stuff amongst other things
strong tangle
Oh yeah good times
brave sonnet
Because he asked for spiderman in the mcu lool
brave sonnet
Only for her to agree with feige anyway because she realized she need him
indigo bluff
It came out that she said a lot of unfavourable things about a lot of people
strong tangle
Wtf she has a massive nose also
indigo bluff
Sure but probably not a reason why people hate her
I wouldnāt think so at least
Not helping her case by coming out saying stuff like this in response to animators being overworked
āGet over itā
dim violet
Does she own spider man?
indigo bluff
Sheās the head of Sony
dim violet
No wonder live action Sony movies suck lol
Anyway I read somewhere that she apologized for saying the racist things she said
brave sonnet
cus she got caught yeah
dim violet
At least she apologized
brave sonnet
I doubt shes changed much as a person
With the comments about animators yesterday
she's still a bitch. just for a different reason
dim violet
Do you think she should be replaced
strong tangle
Yeah. That nose shouldnāt make judgement calls
dim violet
indigo bluff
At least she apologized
Well obviously she apologised
Whatās she gonna do? Double down on it?
strong tangle
Double it and give to the next person
indigo bluff
Amy, you canāt do that with racism
strong tangle
Iām sure she can
indigo bluff
last shale
Yoooo fr?
Flash is still occupying some of those premium screens š«¤
But nice to see spider verse use them again
Nearest ones are so far away from me tho
strong tangle
Why is it saying see it again. This shit is still playing here.
last shale
Telling you to go see it again but in imax
indigo bluff
Why is it saying see it again. This shit is still playing here.
Theyāve just added it back to premium screens
Taking some from Flash
last shale
Deserved
strong tangle
Okay how long can one film have IMAX for?
last shale
This movie needs that big premium screen treatment a whole lot more
last shale
Okay how long can one film have IMAX for?
Usually one week or until the next big release is out
strong tangle
Australia doesnāt have IMAX, so I didnāt know there were rules with it
last shale
Spider verse was in imax until transformers came out a week later
Mario movie was in it the whole month of april until Guardians 3
some examples that should give you an idea of how imax film rotation works
strong tangle
Gotcha. Just huge releases then
Will be interesting how Barbie and Oppenheimer plays out then with IMAX (same day treatment)
last shale
Barbie basically ain't getting that
Oppenheimer will take up those screens for three weeks it's been said
hoary sphinx
As Iāve predicted https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-box-office-second-weekend-comeback-pixar/
west bridge
As Iāve predicted https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-box-office-second-weeke...
Wouldāve smoked it if I came out weeknine
Week one
indigo bluff
Okay how long can one film have IMAX for?
Thereās no limit
Unless they have a specific contract
And obviously thereās only a certain amount of IMAX screens so they canāt stay for long before the next film comes in
dusty bough
As Iāve predicted https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-box-office-second-weeke...
Maybe Disney should have actually marketed it properly
And it would have had a chance to do well
tropic dune
Flash is still occupying some of those premium screens š«¤
yeah my imax theater is only showing the flash still
who the fuck knows why, this is a showing that started 20 minutes ago lmfao
hoary sphinx
Ive said it before, Iāll say it again; Disney and related brandsā marketing team heads need to be SEVERELY fired, and replaced with people who actually know what to do.
brave sonnet
I think it's beyond the marketing
Its pixar fatigue
They need to make better movies
hoary sphinx
Its pixar fatigue
Nope, marketing, this is the showing of elemental an hour from now in my local
This is spiderverse
brave sonnet
Spiderverse better
hoary sphinx
Iād say in our local at least, spiderverse will win by a small margin
But The Flash is pretty done
last shale
who the fuck knows why, this is a showing that started 20 minutes ago lmfao
crickets
hoary sphinx
Nothing āunexpectedā about that, dāoyā¦ The flash had hype, but people thought it wasnāt a film worthy of theaters after word of mouse.
hoary sphinx
*crickets*
Baller: āIāve got the whole theater to myselfā [realizing that itās the Flash] [cry]
brave sonnet
Nothing āunexpectedā about that, dāoyā¦ The flash had hype, but people thought it...
Its because of clods rizz
Elemental gonna make 1 billion now
hoary sphinx
Elemental gonna make 1 billion now
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ 500-600mil probably before it ends itās run, itās not a franchise and itās not a super wide audience piece.
indigo bluff
Iād say in our local at least, spiderverse will win by a small margin
Thatās in basically every cinema
hoary sphinx
Thatās in basically every cinema
Yeah, the point is I predicted a Spiderverse minor lead over Elemental, with Flash at a 60% drop. Looks like industry is predicting a 70% drop for the flash, and I think the majority of that will go to elemental. But I mean, itās STILL Elemental weekend 2 vs Spiderverse weekend 4 so honestly not a fair comparisonā¦ 
last shale
I checked a 7 pm showing at my nearest theater for spider man since we wanted to go but it's legit sold out
Like 90% of the seats
hoary sphinx
In comparison, itās like a super buff 40yo beating down on a normal athletic build 20yo
dusty bough
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ 500-600mil probably before it ends itās run, itās not a franchise and ...
Iād be shocked if it made over 300m
hoary sphinx
Iād be shocked if it made over 300m
If it miraculously got a surge, thereās a chanceā¦ but still, in a word where Spiderverse and Mario both costed āonlyā 100mil, it having a 225mil budget and expected to make money is just, mentally challenged.
strong tangle
https://vt.vxtiktok.com/ZSLkG2ttT/ never have I laughed so much during a damn minecraft video lol
last shale
We going to see it again rn
last shale
It was still epic
leaden frost
SM3 above ATSV
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velvet remnant
SM3 above ATSV
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š
fierce pewter
SM3 above ATSV
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Yes.
dim violet
As Iāve predicted https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-box-office-second-weeke...
How much did it make second weekend
indigo bluff
hoary sphinx
How much did it make second weekend
Elemental? Weāll know when itās tallied tomorrow
rancid grotto
honestly the existence of elemental makes the whole production nightmare story... kind of funny to witness.
hm. i wonder why a small number of anonymous sources might be bombarding the media with anti-spiderverse and anti-phil lord stuff. it definitely can't have anything to do with the fact that spiderverse just publicly embarrassed like two major disney releases in a row and phil lord is a long-standing enemy of the mouse.
dusty bough
my dude it's not inconceivable that some animators were overworked on spiderverse
it's the same thing that happens with a lot of ghibli and studio trigger productions
I think saying that the entire production was like that is disingenuous, as there are a lot of people who worked on it who are very proud of the final product, but phil needs to change his management approach or not be a producer anymore if there are complaints
rancid grotto
my dude it's not inconceivable that some animators were overworked on spidervers...
i think you're misidentifying the statement i made as an entirely different one.
i'm not saying the story's untrue, i'm saying we wouldn't be hearing about it if another megacorp wasn't real angry at this movie.
this is why megacorp fuckery is very difficult to talk about: because if they find a nut, nobody will ever entertain the idea that it's megacorp fuckery and not the truth just sort of magically coming to light at a very convenient time for a megacorp.
fierce pewter
As Iāve predicted https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-box-office-second-weeke...
glad its doing well, people where hating on it months before it even came out
i remember seeing threads on twitter of people upset the main characters werent gay. have no clue why but that was the twitter outrage
im yet to see it but i will soon
hoary sphinx
Weāre seeing it tonight
last shale
Oh yeah something funny my little sis pointed out during our third viewing that's true is that gwen basically killed scarlet spider (this guy)
She sent him who knows where without his watch where no one else will know where he landed, nah he's dead
strong tangle
https://youtu.be/ltXd23Hn81k can someone confirm this is real cause if so wtf
last shale
REAL
stone cosmos
If that was real it would be wild if someone spotted it. Thatās like a 5th rewatch kind of find
velvet remnant
Why are we treating this seriously
last shale
Because it's real duh
velvet remnant
Marvel fans analysing 3 pixels in the background to make new game theory video
Truly amazing
stone cosmos
Iām not coming down and being scientific about it Iām making an adjacent point about how wild it would be if someone noticed something like that
Theyād have the most killer eyesight
last shale
Marvel fans analysing 3 pixels in the background to make new game theory video
T...
I'll prove it when I get the 4k blu ray
strong tangle
Iām thinking it real
candid mauve
banger of a movie
dusty bough
Thatās fake
round plover
Oh damn
Fuck this guy
I hope they never bring back Spectacular Spider-Man because of this
velvet remnant
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
Like why take the time to make this
Whats the point
stone cosmos
Thatās fake
I was gonna say, it wouldāve been wild to see a studio be like āproduction team sucks so we gotta delayā in a press release lol
vast fulcrum
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
This is so fake from the outset.. can't believe anything these days unless it is from a reputable outfit
oak venture
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
i mean this is literally the most fake thing ive ever read
even if you ignore the extremely unprofessional writing style and the typos
they would never say the delay was because of internal problems
frigid prism
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
Yeah this aināt real lol
round plover
Yeah this aināt real lol
I know
round plover
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673278535698350080?s=46
^
strong tangle
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
Not me close to posting it on news lol
round plover
Not me close to posting it on news lol
LMAO
indigo bluff
Fact check
inner warren
Anyone else think that itās weird that Gwen is a love interest in Across the Spiderverse? Miles barely knows her. He knew her for 4 days before she went home in into the spiderverse. They were hardly friends.
last shale
I don't think the movie ever said either gwen or miles missed each other romantically
they just missed being friends
and being able to understand each other with their spider man struggles
I think miles' parents just see their relationship as romantic
inner warren
I think miles' parents just see their relationship as romantic
Idk. Miles was jealous of Hobie, and Pavitr kept saying that there was romantic tension.
last shale
Miles probably wouldn't like gwen to like hobie more than him
that other thing you said tho, you got me there
inner warren
Miles probably wouldn't like gwen to like hobie more than him
I donāt think thatās the case. Miles doesnāt seem like he would be jealous if Gwen had a close friend.
Also, can we just bring up how bad the voice actor for miles morales is fumbling.
First Spider-Man that didnāt date their costar
Worst of all, we see his attempts at rizz in interviews and it is hard to watch
minor atlas
https://twitter.com/earth_26496/status/1673277762117722113?s=46
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it did get delayed
tropic dune
this little detail in the montage is very cute but why is gwen dressed as VLC media player
lavish valve
What are the chances of bully McGuire coming back to be the true big bad of 3
torn terrace
If it miraculously got a surge, thereās a chanceā¦ but still, in a word where Spi...
The only reason as to why Spider-Verse's budget was so low was due to underpayment of animation workers via outsourcing, and Illumination movies cheap out to get themselves under that. Mario might actually be the most expensive Illumination film ever made
brave sonnet
https://twitter.com/hyzkoa/status/1673052596754415616
That scene was soo sad
brave sonnet
The only reason as to why Spider-Verse's budget was so low was due to underpayme...
I was always confused why the budget was low compared to other animated films until now and reading that report last week
Its crazy because animating spiderverse looks way harder than other animated films
torn terrace
Absolutely
And it is
Sony Pictures Animation is a pre production studio
The actual animation comes from Sony Pictures Imageworks, Sony's VFX studio in Canada, which isn't unionized, and they can lowball wages there
dusty bough
The only reason as to why Spider-Verse's budget was so low was due to underpayme...
This is a complete myth
Animator pay doesnāt or barely affects the budget in its entirety
Marvel VFX artists are paid pennies and those movies are 250 mil+
Another big reason why spiderverseās budget is so low compared to Pixar is because pixar does a lot of R&D with their productions and a lot of ultra realism, and thatās obviously not the case with these Sony or Illumination movies
torn terrace
Outsourcing slashes budgets
I don't know who told you otherwise
The reason Pixar movies are expensive is becauee of their realism, but also cause they are done in house
last shale
Yeah even a simple looking movie like penguins of madagascar was like $150 million around there
animated movies are not cheap
torn terrace
DreamWorks Captain Underpants movie had a budget of like $80-90 mil, why? OUTSOURCING. The animation production was done at Mikros Imaging
Disney hasn't outsourced a single animated feature since their direct to dvd days. They do it all in house.
That new Ninja Turtles Movie probably also has a lower budget cause it's also outsourced to Mikros
Lego movie had a $60 million dollar budget, why? OUTSOURCING, animation production was done at Animal Logic.
Can probably see the trend now
All the lego movie were done at Animal Logic so they all had relatively low budgets
torn terrace
animated movies are not cheap
yeah, it makes me wonder where the "CG is cheaper" myth even came from, 2D films were not nearly as expensive
dusty robin
adjusted for inflation they might have been
last shale
Disney hasn't outsourced a single animated feature since their direct to dvd day...
Probably why Tangled is still the most expensive animated movie I believe
dusty bough
Outsourcing slashes budgets
there are a lot of films with outsourcing that have massive budgets
correlation =/= causation
like it's obviously cheaper to outsource but in the grand scheme of film budgets there's multiple factors
torn terrace
Ask an animation industry person and they'll cite this as one of the reasons why
dusty bough
Idk why a lot of canadian studios aren't unionized yet
doesn't canada have a higher rate than the US across all sectors?
torn terrace
Nope
bleak ermine
Multiverse should be used like this
stone cosmos
Itās sadly the commonality in Hollywood to take something that people liked and cynically bastardize it. See 3D, cinematic universes
dusty bough
deft lantern
lavish valve
This bitch is the worst lol
strong tangle
Nah sheās cool!
dusty bough
last shale
Please let it happen
It also being the first time it's a non Disney animated movie would make it more wild
I would just hope if this does happen that the movie gets nominated for more than just best picture/best animated film
Like definitely not sound mixing
rancid fern
https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1674589433918636032?s=46&t=PZRLVDzdsQZ...
It's getting delayed? GOOD.
Give the staff the time they need so they're not hardcore crunching.
last shale
I'm sure it unfortunately will still happen no matter what I at the very least hope a ton less happens this time around
vast fulcrum
Across the Spiderverse should absolutely receive the best picture nomination at this year's Oscars
hoary sphinx
Nom, but winning is a long stretch, unless half of the academy suddenly stops voting.
vast fulcrum
Even a nomination is huge but ya I don't see it winning.. I mean both Oppenheimer and Killers of the flower moon will be strong contenders imo
frigid prism
Across the Spiderverse should absolutely receive the best picture nomination at ...
A nom would be awesome, but I donāt see it winning.
torn terrace
stone cosmos
holy shit?? https://twitter.com/mukumuks/status/1675140714374762496
Screencap for us not logged in?
torn terrace
its a video
basically, spider gwen's theme is an alternate version of the Spider-man 68 theme
bold herald
Across the Spiderverse should absolutely receive the best picture nomination at ...
It won't even get a nomination cause it's a superhero movie and animated
Unfortunately
main cloak
It won't even get a nomination cause it's a superhero movie and animated
You knew that about Into the Spider-Verse, right?
Logan was also nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay, so...
bold herald
That is the animated film category
main cloak
It's possible.
Right.
It's still possible, though.
Don't beat yourself up, kid. Your day will come.
bold herald
Ok han solo
main cloak
š
stone cosmos
It won't even get a nomination cause it's a superhero movie and animated
Beauty and the Beast, Up and Toy Story 3 were previously nominated as animated films, and Black Panther and Joker as superhero films
Itās not often but thereās no permanent taboo on either
bold herald
There are plenty of examples but I personally feel there is some bias
main cloak
There's a bias but it's starting to decrease.
It's okay to be a little bit wrong sometimes but I understand how you may have reservations because you've been burned many times.
west bridge
GUYS
WHAT WAS THE BESG SONG ON THE SONG TRACK
we got
Self love
Hold up
Let me get the links
Pick youāre favorite
dusty bough
WHAT WAS THE BESG SONG ON THE SONG TRACK
Annihilate imo
Followed closely by Am I Dreaming
hoary rose
When u guys were watching the movie in theatres
Did anyone scream GYATT during the gwen scenes
Happened in mines and apparently its a common thing reading instagram comments
Some are grown ass men š
sly gale
Sorry but what is GYATT?
indigo bluff
Sorry but what is GYATT?
Big ass
sly gale
Bruh
spiral harness
Just saw it and omg it was so fantastic. It was amazing and I loved it so much
lime solar
WHAT WAS THE BESG SONG ON THE SONG TRACK
The 2 minutes commercial before playing any video on YouTube because I donāt have prime
gleaming dome
GOD DAMN THIS MOVIE LIT AF
gleaming dome
Did anyone scream GYATT during the gwen scenes
Age check 
hoary sphinx
No, but a guy said āgoddamn!ā Like a normal human being lol
hoary sphinx
Still its kinda weird since shes a minor lol
Still, Gyatt?
hoary rose
Nah
gleaming dome
Still its kinda weird since shes a minor lol
I can be a little more lenient on stuff like this cause its not a real minor actress but its still weird
main cloak
Real or not... Still a minor š
Simping over depictions of minors is still a sus thing š
latent coral
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66OpxK6iwM||
Beyond the spider-verse leak (source? my yt recommendations)
hoary sphinx
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66OpxK6iwM||
Beyond the spider-verse leak (so...
Interesting
indigo bluff
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66OpxK6iwM||
Beyond the spider-verse leak (so...
Not a leak
It was a movement test
hoary sphinx
It was a movement test
who knows what it is... we had that entire set of Indian Spiderman sequence that was shown in promo, but was never in the film because of the retooling of the entire Indian sequence
indigo bluff
who knows what it is... we had that entire set of Indian Spiderman sequence that...
We do, because they confirmed itās a movement test
hoary sphinx
ah
hoary sphinx
fun tho, and it means nothing then
last shale
https://fxtwitter.com/powerkeni/status/1674853550567088128
I really like the idea of prowler being miles' mentor instead of peter b parker
stone cosmos
west bridge
GOD DAMN THIS MOVIE LIT AF
YEEEE BOI
simple bear
real
vast fulcrum
Wow.. this is crazy
indigo bluff
I really like the idea of prowler being miles' mentor instead of peter b parker
Iām sure that carries over
Just the actual scene isnāt
ornate frigate
https://fxtwitter.com/powerkeni/status/1674853550567088128
love that animation test so much, I just love the fluidity of the parkour movement and how kinda spider-man like Prowler Miles is
indigo bluff
love that animation test so much, I just love the fluidity of the parkour moveme...
Will be exciting to see it on the big screen in a few years when itās all finished and looking great
ornate frigate
Will be exciting to see it on the big screen in a few years when itās all finish...
yeah fr
ornate frigate
Will be exciting to see it on the big screen in a few years when itās all finish...
but seeing that test footage, it further confirms that Prowler Miles is this sorta Robin Hood guy, not a bad guy
velvet remnant
lime solar
west bridge
Its almost like the film is saying
She is a remixed
Or altered version of Spider-Man
But deep down they are all the same hero.
ornate frigate
the other videos display how each theme like the PS4 Spiderman and Spectacular Spiderman has the theme
west bridge
https://vxtwitter.com/7Spideycomics/status/1676681048900378624?s=20
I already posted this bruh
velvet remnant
stone cosmos
Ngl I kinda want to see the absolute hell that would occur if 40 year old white actor Ryan Gosling was cast as live action Miles lol
west bridge
Lmfaooo
upper tulip
wtf is that fan casting ā ļø
west bridge
Ngl I kinda want to see the absolute hell that would occur if 40 year old white ...
Twitter would just crash
hoary sphinx
Ngl I kinda want to see the absolute hell that would occur if 40 year old white ...
Wouldāve needed to Tropic Thunder RDJ that shit lol
frigid prism
wtf is that fan casting ā ļø
Just the movie Drive lol
last shale
Oscar issacs is in it?
frigid prism
Oscar issacs is in it?
Yeah
last shale
Epic
stone cosmos
nimble stirrup
Boy, the studio really hit a home run with Gwynn being low-key coded as trans. For those looking, it is obvious to see the indications, whereas, for those not looking, it goes right past them without so much is a hint. Thatās the way you do it! Everybodyās happy!
west bridge
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
tepid wyvern
Boy, the studio really hit a home run with Gwynn being low-key coded as trans. F...
assuming she is trans and not just an ally
indigo bluff
Well itās absolutely an allegory
sinful quail
rip popsicle spiderman
brave mirage
Gwenās definitely an ally
lime solar
Just wait till the 2nd part comes out,š
nimble stirrup
Gwenās definitely an ally
Either way, trans, ally, doesnāt matter. Itās a nod for those looking. But does that contribute to the movie ? Not at all.
muted dune
Being a superhero has always been an allegory for all sorts. It's weird that people don't know that
dusty bough
Superman was an allegory for being a Jewish immigrant in America when he was first conceived
indigo bluff
Supermanās story still is an allegory for immigration
lime solar
I think cause nobody wants to think that?
muted dune
ghost ping?
gloomy forge
Does anyone think spider-verse has genuine potential for a best pic nom?
tepid wyvern
yeah itll get nominated
but it wont win
some film called like "ethnic jesus and coming to terms with blarganoy" is gonna win
or "The [insert noun here]"
hoary sphinx
Does anyone think spider-verse has genuine potential for a best pic nom?
Has great lower budget offerings this year, so we donāt know
Also, Scorsese and Nolan both has award contention, and neither has officially come out yet, and Dune part 2 will get some recognition. Oscars also tend to wait for 2nd part of a 2-parter before they fully award a filmā¦ chances of Across being nominated for 2023 best picture is 50/50ā¦ 90/10 for 2024 with Beyond imho
What would REALLY fuck with people, is āwhat if Barbie is a good film, worthy of Best Picture Nomā lol
candid mauve
or "The [insert noun here]"
killers of the flower moon is gonna win
last shale
What would *REALLY* fuck with people, is āwhat if Barbie is a good film, worthy ...
I think that will somehow have a bigger chance than spider verse simply for being not animated
lime solar
ghost ping?
Oh that was me. Deleted it. I Wrote what you see above this comment.
lime solar
Does anyone think spider-verse has genuine potential for a best pic nom?
yes, since 3 years later and we still talking about the movie
Lol
lime solar
What would *REALLY* fuck with people, is āwhat if Barbie is a good film, worthy ...
Unless people like the actress, I donāt think itās gonna win? š¤·
Have anyone actually seen the movie
hoary sphinx
Unless people like the actress, I donāt think itās gonna win? š¤·
Just a joke, the film name alone would turn off most Academy members lol
lime solar
Why was the movie even made š¤·
Peppa pig probably is a better movie if it was made into one
west bridge
People started talking about the Barbie movie, and so I asked why was it made?
Oh my bad
dusty bough
Does anyone think spider-verse has genuine potential for a best pic nom?
Maybe
brave sonnet
I just saw the film today, and goddamn, this is easily the best Spider-Man movie ever made
gloomy forge
yea SpiderVerse films tend to do that
gloomy forge
Iām gonna crease your Jās, Spider-Man
last shale
spider man why did you crease your j's
gloomy forge
I didnāt!
last shale
Best buy updated the status on my pre order for the movie and says the blu ray is now coming out September 5th
So excited for it to arrive
stiff python
Best buy updated the status on my pre order for the movie and says the blu ray i...
yup
a reprint of into the spider-verse comes out on that date too
simple bear
YOOOOOOOO
coral niche
I wanna see this but change every person there to a member of BTS
gloomy forge
deadass
strong tangle
Iām parliament
hoary sphinx
Iām parliament
My MIND is the parliament
sly gale
That Miles meme face is hilarious
velvet remnant
stone cosmos
the sequence of Miles thinking about all that's gone on while swinging through the city is just
wise dragon
hoary sphinx
https://youtu.be/-ggXdn8L1tU
Honestly I canāt hear the similarities in the themes and the tonality, they just added a reverse Mile Moralesās wooowaaah lol
wise dragon
Literally
tepid wyvern
But why he says āgwen noā
its an ironic meme, its so bad its good sort of thing
dusty bough
Same studio
unique crest
11/10 nothing else to say
simple bear
the sequence of Miles thinking about all that's gone on while swinging through t...
real
and the music too
the frikin animation
vast fulcrum
last shale
If barbie passes this financially, what is wrong with society
muted dune
nothing, they're both great films
lime solar
The thing is not about itās a great film or not, itās about how we were told || ~~ āgirls play with dolls, and boys plays with action figuresā~~||
I bet the only reason why guys are watching it, ||~~ is to prove themselves that they are men, and donāt have have to take crap from nobody~~||
frigid prism
If barbie passes this financially, what is wrong with society
A lot if it does.
round plover
If barbie passes this financially, what is wrong with society
(Also @frigid prism)
Cope!
Barbie Sweep baby!
Ken out of Ten movie
brave sonnet
Across the blumberverse
simple bear
lol
candid mauve
Barbie is gonna break this record again lmao
Not even a week and itās past 700K watched already
last shale
Yeah 100% barbie will surpass it
In no time
But still, quite epic spider verse achieved that
More and more people join letterboxd, makes sense the newest films are way more likely to get logs that fast
last shale
one dollar bill
last shale
Dang
candid mauve
Yeah 100% barbie will surpass it
they're past 850K now
and it still hasnt been a full week yet
wow
this'll be a record hard to break
and oppenheimer is at 553K :)
indigo bluff
Beyond the Spiderverse is officially delayed indefinitely
west bridge
Beyond the Spiderverse is officially delayed indefinitely
Are you fr?
Well I guess it isnāt a surprise
west bridge
well
indigo bluff
Sony has just delayed their entire slate
indigo bluff
It was going to be delayed anyway but that helps yes
frigid prism
Jeez Kraven the Hunter delayed an entire year. Beyond was expected.
muted dune
oh wow. How weird that I did see the Kraven trailer at the cinema before the Flash
stone cosmos
seems like some titles they aren't shoving too far out of the way.
Hell seems they moved Madame Web up
Beyond absolutely needed the delay so that's not a big issue
indigo bluff
Well there are some like BTSV and Ghostbusters that were always gonna get delayed
stone cosmos
Everything else while im not passionate about any of it, its super ridiculous they're shoving titles around the release schedule instead of returning to the negotiating table that would prevent needing to even do that
indigo bluff
Everything else while im not passionate about any of it, its super ridiculous th...
Kinda harsh because Sony is willing
Theyāre one of the ones that want this largely because their movie side is so important to them
stone cosmos
guess I just mean as a whole for all studios
indigo bluff
Itās studios like Netflix, WB, Universal and Disney that are being annoying
Because movies are a small portion of their profits so they can wait it out
stone cosmos
(Im just really frustrated we might lose out on Dune 2 this year)
indigo bluff
The money theyāll lose from delaying and working on nothing is probably more than it would cost to meet the wage demands
A case of being really stubborn
stone cosmos
I can bet its likely Netflix the biggest holdout. In a way they could just easily keep holding out given all the foreign content they air
indigo bluff
Universal WB and Disney even worse
Universal is owned by Comcast and Universal is such a small percentage of that theyāre not taking this seriously
stone cosmos
The studios with the bigger franchises costing them alot to push off will eventually smarten up (hopefully.....surely.....they cant be that stupid, surely)
indigo bluff
The others have lots of content and revenue streams too
stone cosmos
Kevin Feige's office is probably trashed right now
stone cosmos
Like, he had to navigate around the James Gunn firing, then all the COVID delays, then once things finally seem like they're back on track bam, Hollywood essentially shuts down
muted dune
basically, they all want to use AI for stuff, even though it's not going work, but by the time they've realised it doesn't work, it'll be too late
vast fulcrum
Sucks that Beyond the spiderverse was delayed but it makes sense and hopefully it will give more time to this movie to be amazing as well
flint stratus
The worst outcome is Beyond will all be in AI
dark zephyr
dont even joke about that thats terrifying
flint stratus
You will never know
We are living in a dumb timeline after all
west bridge
The worst outcome is Beyond will all be in AI
Nah
Not gonna reach that
Not yet at least
flint stratus
When it will, I will make you eat your shoes
flint stratus
I will also make you eat your shoes
flint stratus
stone cosmos
Twitter
simple bear
Ooof
dusty bough
https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1685039342518206467
Spiderverse is gonna be fine its hype gets generated on social media
stone cosmos
tweet was more about release delays in general
Spiderverse absolutely needed a delay, but the moves of Kraven, Venom 3, etc cause of the strike are gonna lose the Barbenheimer momentum becayse studios are stupid
last shale
Wdym that momentum
stone cosmos
Did you not see their BO numbers?
last shale
You really think either venom or kraven would have that type of momentum
stone cosmos
guess not those specific titles, but the studios not even trying to capitalize is disappointing
nimble stirrup
Love this movie especially when they show the other spiderverese but|| I dont know how that one is the self appointed leader spiderman.||
upper tulip
it's cause he got them all together
lime solar
~~ dictator~~
brave sonnet
When the delay becomes the canon event lol
last shale
People over use those two words so much I've forgotten what it's suppose to mean
shell nebula
I just found out Secret Invasion is released for a long time already lol
Should i watch it ?
Is it mediocre, thats why no one talks about it ?
muted dune
Why are you asking in this channel?
lime solar
Do what you please, but if you want content for possible future marvel projects, watch it, they might mention something from the show {isnāt that the sort of thing marvel do hahahA} @shell nebula
shell nebula
For sure lol
brave sonnet
is this out yet
last shale
This upcoming Tuesday it's out on digital
indigo bluff
Should i watch it ?
No
vast fulcrum
I agree, awesome scene and can't wait to watch this movie.
rotund barn
Is Digital out?
deft crater
Seeing ||Donald Glover as Prowler ||was fun
indigo bluff
Is Digital out?
Yes
near girder
This was both amazing and worse than ITSV. I feel like script kinda run away from the writers.
lavish valve
Gotta say months later this movie is still gas
indigo bluff
Gotta say months later this movie is still gas
To be fair its only been two months
trail zenith
My spiderverse sequel came so I Completed my spiderverse digital collection when I bought the first movie for $10
vast fulcrum
I don't remember such a thing happening and most peope would never spot the difference too
flint stratus
Well they already confirmed multiple versions existed so
last shale
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1689401546348335104?t=O83BNWFDue8j3w9z...
Not againnnnnn
muted dune
last shale
Got dam
stone cosmos
https://twitter.com/BriansFilms/status/1689402934269038592
whats with all the tinkering to the film goddamn
its like George Lucas wandered into the studio
near girder
whats with all the tinkering to the film goddamn
I believe they send multiple versions to theaters as "alternative dimensions" joke
But on PVOD it's just one of them
flint stratus
We are in a weird timeline where Spidey becomes the new George Lucas' Star Wars movies
Alright folks, do your best to find many threatical versions and restore them
near girder
We are in a weird timeline where Spidey becomes the new George Lucas' Star Wars ...
Or maybe next time they make schedule with humans in mind then they can finish before premier https://gizmodo.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-sony-animation-1850569811
vast fulcrum
I watched the movie again in digital.. I couldn't find much differences like sure there maybe some dialogues off but unless you watched ATSV multiple times in theatres, I doubt anyone would spot the difference
muted dune
I know I'm unlikely to
vast fulcrum
The major story is the same...some dialogues may be changed here and there or some visuals but it ain't much. A lot of people will never spot the difference, I didn't and I watched the movie twice in theatres.
last shale
https://twitter.com/chrisagwrites/status/1689421335242416129
just about everything this person showed from the digital version is what i remember seeing all three times in theaters
except for there being lyrics in hobie's intro, that has to be new
foggy ocean
simple bear
my fav comic book movie
candid mauve
based
wintry bolt
simple bear
full body chills
Reeeeal
candid mauve
good filmƩ
visual blade
errant pier
hobie hobie
round plover
simple bear
i dont get it
candid mauve
i dont get it
me neither, and i never will
tired gyro
Just here to say that this movie is still so damn amazing and I love it so damn much and Hollywood please pay your writers and actors and plz donāt pressure the animators too much but Iām too damn hyped for this next movie plz take as much time as you need
If the next movie is as good as this one we having the best trilogy since lord of the rings baby
As for the changes I didnāt really care about any of them other than Gwen saying no getting removed
Idk why they removed that
west bridge
stone cosmos
last shale
They really just made a unique expression, background, and lighting just for this frame that pops up for like half a second
Still impatiently have to wait 2 weeks for my 4k disc copy to arrive š I wanna rewatch it already
wintry tartan
this movie was good animation wise
and sound was good
everything was good
except the story
felt kind of normal ngl
into the spiderverse was epic
i liked that one better than this
wintry tartan
GOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!????
i liked into the spiderverse better šš
the first one was completely new to me
it can't be compared imo
simple bear
i liked into the spiderverse better šš
i dont blame u
tired gyro
i liked into the spiderverse better šš
across does literally everything better than into other than maybe comedy imo
wintry tartan
across does literally everything better than into other than maybe comedy imo
except the story
to me story matters a lot
tired gyro
except the story
the story is better though
As much as I love ITSV, the movie is decently fast paced and often times doesn't give a lot of moments as much of breathing time as they need
With ATSV the pacing is fixed in order to give character moments a lot more room to breathe
Also the character writing is a lot better in ATSV, the side characters in ITSV have a very surface level explanation for the most part while ATSV goes way more in depth with it's side characters
ATSV just trumps ITSV in literally everything other than comedy and even then its close
The animation is improved, the writing is massively improved, the pacing is a lot smoother, the animation is somehow better, there's a lot better voice acting, the antagonists are both ten times better written than kingpin was, Gwen's arc is phenomenal
wintry tartan
i dont really have a problem with characters
and I'll say nothing about it's animation, except that it is good.
my main problem is the story
tired gyro
the story is just as good as the first one's
wintry tartan
they didn't show a lot of Spot, while he has the potential to be one of the greatest spiderman villains
tired gyro
and the themes are a lot more complex than with the first one as well
tired gyro
they didn't show a lot of Spot, while he has the potential to be one of the grea...
he already is
wintry tartan
and they portrayed miguel as a villain, which makes no sense
tired gyro
and they portrayed miguel as a villain, which makes no sense
miguel is not portrayed as a villain more so as a misguided anti-hero
wintry tartan
miguel and og spiderman are the most sensible ppl in that universe
wintry tartan
miguel is not portrayed as a villain more so as a misguided anti-hero
i refuse to believe he is an anti hero
tired gyro
miguel is someone who is trying to do the right thing but is going at it completely wrong
wintry tartan
he's literally the only guy who knows the consequences of mile's actions
tired gyro
he thinks that canon events are 100% the way he envisions them based on one singular event that happened to him
and refuses to acknowledge the possibility that he may be wrong
tired gyro
he's literally the only guy who knows the consequences of mile's actions
he doesn't
that's the whole point of the film
wintry tartan
is it tho
tired gyro
it isn't
gwen proved miguel wrong in the same film
her dad quit and her universe is fine
as for indian spiderman dimension you can literally see the spot's holes are the reason everything is glitching
the holes are literally dragging buildings into them
it had nothing to do with miles saving the captain
wintry tartan
her dad quit and her universe is fine
wasn't her canon event the death of peter?
tired gyro
wasn't her canon event the death of peter?
her dad dying was a canon event as well
police captain close to spiderman dies
but gwen's actions caused him to quit
therefore breaking the canon
proving miguel again wrong
miguel isn't evil but he is completely going on a whim here
wintry tartan
miguel once broke the canon, and that universe was destroyed
tired gyro
instead of focusing on catching spot he puts all his attention on miles
and its going to come to bite him in the ass
tired gyro
miguel once broke the canon, and that universe was destroyed
we don't know if that's why his universe broke
that's just HIS interpretation
wintry tartan
...
tired gyro
the universe could have broken for a multitiude of reasons
wintry tartan
well then, i might as well believe that i dont know who the real miles is š
tired gyro
well then, i might as well believe that i dont know who the real miles is š
how come miles's universe was completely fine after itsv
how come the spider society universe is fine even with a million spidermen living there
miguel's theory has a million holes in it
and the biggest hole he's been ignoring is the spot no pun intended
instead of focusing on spot he puts all his attention on miles, someone who isn't even a real threat in the grand scheme of things
and its going to bite miguel int he ass hard next movie
tired gyro
and also if it wasn't clear enough
miguel was stated by the writers
to represent racist spiderman fans who hated miles being spiderman
they used him as a metaphor in this film
so i highly doubt they will make miguel right
the story of both spiderverse films have been about self discovery and its no secret miles's story is going to end with him writing his own story
wintry tartan
there's only two things i disliked in the movie:
- spot not getting enough attention.
- the whole im-gonna-save-my-dad thing.
when has that ever worked out?
tired gyro
there's only two things i disliked in the movie:
1. spot not getting enough atte...
i just explained why both work
wintry tartan
so i highly doubt they will make miguel right
his theme is so sinister, i hope that he becomes a full villain but i doubt he will
tired gyro
the spot was supposed to be ignored to show how miguel clearly is missing the larger problem
miguel dedicates all that time and effort on miles
while the spot keeps going to other dimensions and absorbing energy from colliders
wintry tartan
miguel dedicates all that time and effort on miles
okay. i get that. i just didn't like it.
tired gyro
and as for the save my dad thing miles is 100% saving his dad lol
its the point of the story
miles is going to prove he is just as worthy as anyone else of being spiderman and will be able to have his "two cakes"
wintry tartan
and as for the save my dad thing miles is 100% saving his dad lol
we'll see
tired gyro
because if his dad dies
miguel will be right
and there is no way they want that to be the case in these films
that being said miguel isn't evil as far as we know
and i'm sure he will do the right thing next movie
considering these movies take issue with the common trope of spiderman having to be an utterly miserable character to be well written i will be extremely surprised if miles does not get somewhat of a happy ending
wintry tartan
miguel can be right, after all, as you said, he's just an anti-hero, not the villain.
tired gyro
miguel can be right, after all, as you said, he's just an anti-hero, not the vil...
he cannot be RIGHT though
wintry tartan
why not
tired gyro
because if he is right miles isn't deserving of being spiderman
wintry tartan
thats not true
tired gyro
again going to the allegory they tried to make miguel's character into
wintry tartan
miles is just a kid
tired gyro
the point is that miles ISN'T just a kid
tired gyro
miles is going to prove he is just as capable as anyone else
everyone keeps telling him what his story is going to be
but as he said
he will do it his own way
that's the point of miles's story
it's about being able to overcome odds like this
he's going to succeed
wintry tartan
we'll see
tired gyro
also another thing to keep in mind is that miguel is clearly thinking out of rage instead of rationally for a great deal of the movie
everyone in the spider society is clearly having doubts about miguel by the end of the movie
and ironically miguel is the least spiderman of all the spider people there
which makes him just the more compelling antagonist for miles
he's kind of a projecting hypocrite
plush sierra
Miguel evil
last shale
All the spider people just want to save their homes man
indigo bluff
last shale
That's all he had to say? Bruh
wintry tartan
so the new universe that miles landed into, there probably definitely exists the original spiderman, right?
last shale
Very sure the miles from that place was meant to be that universe's spider man
It's just that because of the events of the first film, the spider that was gonna bite that miles got teleported and bit the miles we know instead
That's how there was never any spider man in that universe
muted dune
no, that's the explanation.
wintry tartan
staunchy
muted dune
It's literally said in the film....
tired gyro
so the new universe that miles landed into, there probably definitely exists the...
There was no spider man
The version of miles who lived there was supposed to be but the spider never bit him
That being said this version of miles is a vigilante and the closest thing to a spider man in this universe
last shale
I'm not the biggest fan of the whole Canon event concept because I feel like there could be so many things left unexplained that sorta still matter
One thing I don't understand is, how come whole dimensions revolve around just one person? That being the spider person. The alternative world with Miguel collapsed just because of him, and pav's world almost did because the inspector didn't die, like huh? Ik they say it takes a lot to choose to become spider man, but it also means their whole world could unknowingly collapse because of them?
Shouldn't Earth 42 not exist because there's no spider man?
Idk, I sorta feel like the stakes were artificially raised up an absolute ton on miles very suddenly
And if those canon events are meant to happen then how come Gwen's world didn't collapse when her dad resigned as captain? This, tho I'm sure will get acknowledged in the sequel at least
tired gyro
I'm not the biggest fan of the whole Canon event concept because I feel like the...
I mean thatās kinda the point
Miguel is most likely incorrect
The whole idea of this trilogy revolves around defying fate and common comic book tropes
Miguel will be proven wrong next film
If anything he kinda got proven wrong even in this film
Gwenās dad quitting did not cause her universe to unravel
Pavās universe was most probably a result of the spot dragging in buildings, you can literally see his holes doing that
Whatever Miguel did to his universe where he replaced himself must have done something else that he has been misinterpreting as ācanon eventsā
So yeah in short Miguel is most likely wrong
And thatās the point
last shale
Perhaps
tired gyro
Letās also not forget the writers literally said Miguel in this film was meant to also represent racist spiderman fans who hated miles being spiderman
So I doubt heād be right lol
last shale
Well at least for what's shown in this film, it kinda urks me but yeah like I kinda said, we'll have to wait and see
tired gyro
The films are very anti-trope
Which is why I loved the idea of canon events
Itās so obviously wrong
But a lot of people seem to think the story is supposed to go that way
Milesās entire arc is about learning to be himself and do things his own way
He will have his ātwo cakesā as mentioned in the film
Saving his father and the universe
Most likely giving us the first and long overdue hapoy ending for a on screen spider man
Every single Spider-Manās tale ends in misery on screen but Miles will end up happy
wintry tartan
can anybody explain to me how miguel represents "racist spiderman fans"?
if anything, he felt like a frustrated guy who's lost so much
and he doesn't know the reason why
is he racist just cuz he thinks miles is the villain? that's kinda stupid
tired gyro
can anybody explain to me how miguel represents "racist spiderman fans"?
the undertones in the whole train fight
especially when he whispers in miles's ear that "doesn't belong here" and that he was "never meant to be spider-man"
he's not actually racist
it's just a little bit of a metaphor for it
tired gyro
cuz it makes no sense to me
miguel tries to cast miles out of the society
and says that he isn't mean't to be spider-man
which is a paralell to some racist fans who say that about miles (hell you still see it on twitter)
wintry tartan
because he literally wasnt supposed to be spiderman?
tired gyro
because he literally wasnt supposed to be spiderman?
well yes its a double entendre in that sense
obviously miguel isn't racist
wintry tartan
which is a paralell to some racist fans who say that about miles (hell you still...
yeah i get that, but it just sounds childish to me if i take it in a racist way
tired gyro
it's just a paralell that the filmmakers kind of hinted at
tired gyro
yeah i get that, but it just sounds childish to me if i take it in a racist way
you aren't supposed to it's just a small and slight paralell
wintry tartan
obviously miguel isn't racist
exactly, thats why im refuting the writer's claims
tired gyro
but i was just pointing it out
simple bear
Like what's up danger?
rough cloud
The digital cut is fine for the most part but some of the changes they made puzzle me