📺The Last of Us (2023)

[left geyser]

you posted it for a good 10 seconds before

[exotic wadi]

perhaps im just a slow reader then, always been better at maths and science

takes me a good minute just to remember the word "tedious"

also technically not my first language so might be why. sorry

[left geyser]

also alot of the ways that story unfolded in game dont actually carry over to screen

its ok

one challenge here is naughty dog loves in game banter thats interspersed amongst hours of gameplay

what makes this story work is you watch joel and ellies story unfold over hours and hours that just dont exist on tv

even broadcast with 24~ episodes

you cant just have bill casually drop parts of the story during an otherwise uneventful episode

which is what that would be

[exotic wadi]

yeah but i dont think that specific challenge correlates to this issue, it correlates to stuff like the changing of spores to hiveminds but here its just the complete change of 1 character, its especially frustrating when that 1 character is 1 of your favourites ur excited to see the dynamics between those characters on screen and then u get 60 mins of just bill frank and a teeny bit of joel and tess in there

[left geyser]

if adapted as game presented, it would either make for terrible television that just literally looks like watching a video game

or you go the other route and lean into the mediums benefits

its not changed at all?

do you think this wasnt already in the game?

it wasnt even a one off line its a whole through line of that chapter

[exotic wadi]

the issue you are bringing up is story telling during actually playing and controlling characters but most of bill is in cutscenes and what we do get with him and ellie and joel and all that in playing is easily translate able to a screen as its mostly just character interactions

[left geyser]

they arent in cutscenes though

its ingame banter as you jog around town

its dialogue that really doesnt exist in this medium

and is unique to games

[left geyser]

i mean that whole part of the game is bills story

you really are just along for the ride

[exotic wadi]

a lot of frank is in cut scenes, there is banter and character dynamic as ur playing but thats really not that hard to do show them doing their thing and as things are said banter can flow between it. the first episode PROVED u can directly insert cutscenes and non "major" playing areas onto a screen

bill sorry

keep calling him frank LMAO

[left geyser]

you can but why if you have room to put so much more

[exotic wadi]

the episode has fused the 2 names for me

[left geyser]

instead of enviornmental storytelling, just show the damn story!

the first episode does the same thing

you dont just see sarah walk around the house

i think you are both overstating and understating how much this show changed things

this story was almost all in the game and was fairly front and center

and large elements of the game are totally restructured

[exotic wadi]

the show didnt change much from the opening after the start of the apocalypse instead of roaming around the house sarah goes to her neighbors and then joel and that arrive which is the start of the cut scene which is almost exactly the same except a plane crash instead of a car crash at the end

there are minor moments where u control where sarah looks etc but thats nothing ur not moving her or changing anything ur just panning the camera around which the show, showed u can do

i need to sleep to im tired

[left geyser]

sarah doesnt just not roam the house though, we see a whole day in her life!

[exotic wadi]

i said everything in the opening after the start of the apocolypse

which was after sarah woke up onwards

[left geyser]

but that cuts out a big change to pretend it didnt change

[molten zodiac]

episode 3 just felt a bit too happy for the last of us universe
bills life improved 10 fold in the apocalypse lol
but i just cant get past the no raiders in 30 plus years
all they had to do is drive one car through that fence and bill is dead
at least in the game he had a hiding spot and the infected as another layer of protection, ep just feels out of place they way they did it

[left geyser]

and again, im confused what the bill change you think happened

cause this whole thing was very front and center

he tells the whole story, you even find frank!

[left geyser]

look im still waiting for more than one guy at a time to try fighting batman

[exotic wadi]

its not a big change because if u remove sarah going into town and school etc and start it from the beginning of the apocalypse nothing changes other than the viewer is slightly less attached to characters and know slightly less about them like in the game. that beginning is only there to introduce characters before the start of the apocolypse

ima go, i have a lecture in a few hours and i havent slept at all

[left geyser]

ok but they added that to make up for the no roaming around the house

its a big change to adapt for the medium

yeah lol

[exotic wadi]

nvm i cant sleep and lecture is in 2 hours anyway

[slow nova]

I don't understand why fans can't hold themselves back with their overreactions and everything being either the best or the worst of something. For example, episode 3 was a good episode, and there's articles how it was the greatest episode in HBO history or like of television in the 21st century. Are we serious? How far does overhyping has to go?

A piece of art can only be called the Magnum Opus of something only if enough time has passed and we still remember it/talk about it. For HBO, it would be certain Sopranos or the Wire episodes.

[exotic wadi]

i agree

it was a 7-8/10 episode. people calling it a masterpiece is actually funny

[wary relic]

yeah i don't actually like shows

[north yoke]

I can see why people will call it a masterpiece, but for me, it was the weakest of the 3.

[exotic wadi]

yeah me too

ep 1 is a 10/10, episode 2 is a 9.5/10 and ep 3 is about an 8/10

[north yoke]

Around the same for me too

[exotic wadi]

i dont think any scene will beat the show opening scene

with the interview

now that was actually scary

lol

[north yoke]

Jakarta was also great

But yeah opening scene was intense

[exotic wadi]

yeah it was fine until the woman said "can you take me home" or something on the verge of tears and that really freaked me out a bit

[north yoke]

I liked it

[exotic wadi]

yeah me too

[north yoke]

She wanted to die with her family

[exotic wadi]

im saying it was just a fine scene until she said that and it freaked me out which made me like it more

[north yoke]

Ahh

[weary gazelle]

Same here

[slow nova]

For me it's actually high enough on the rating scale, but would be even higher if Joel actually met with Bill again or even Frank, you can't just do background scene and not have it blend with the main story. It's like a glorified collectible. Very good on its own. But maybe not fitting within the Last of Us, it could have been a special episode clearly distinguished from the rest of the series.

Left Behind will be a background episode as well but will actually recontextualize Ellie and her motives for wanting to be used as a means for a cure.

[potent nacelle]

That's a complaint I've seen from one of my favorite channels that reviews stuff

He also disliked the decision of filming everything on a handcam

And he also dislikes the lens used in those cameras, makes the show look cheaper than it actually-- or clearly-- is.

But alas, good or bad cinematography, a good or bad film/tvshow does not make.

I keep bringing this up, but Breaking Bad is overall not an extremely well-photographed show.

From the stereotypical yellow filter for Mexico scenes to the flatness of every other scene shot on a different location, they are well-composed shots, well-blocked and what not, but they are not visually appealing. They lack depth and the lighting just... does the job.

All to say: how the show looks doesn't matter, as long as what it delivers on the other departments is brilliant enough to overshadow its flaws on the other ones

Now that I think about it, a LOT of Breaking Bad scenes are shot handcam too. Dialogue scenes, the quiet ones. Well ain't that fitting

The reasons for Craig and Gillian using them are probably the same, and I don't see why people would champion one and not the other all of a sudden. The result in both is similar enough.

[dire island]

Release the Mazin cut

[umbral sedge]

I’ve said this before but the shows subtle details tell so much. Something I think is the best example is when Frank touches the dusty fireplace. When Bill walks out of the kitchen, Nick Offerman just gives such a subtle look at where Frank touched and that one moment speaks thousands. That’s how the entire episode felt for me. It was amazing

[slow nova]

45 more minutes of what? Just extra scenes of Bill and Frank?

[dire island]

Probably but maybe there was more exploration of Bill and Frank relationship with Joel and Tess as well..

[smoky depot]

the last of GUS

[digital mauve]

a m o g u s

[torn dirge]

god this series is so inaccurate

they're 10 miles outside of boston and i haven't seen a single dunkin donuts

[digital mauve]

🤯🤯🤯

unwatchable

[digital mauve]

wait

no donut place at all there

not even Krispy Kreme???

that’s a crime

[dense coral]

you did hear it all started from contaminated flour or sugar? and you want donuts?!

[digital mauve]

it was flour

people figured that out in episode one

[smoky depot]

god, flour is just an opportunity hotbed for bacterial growth

it's like that life maxim for bread; if a portion of the bread loaf is moldy, ya GOTTA throw the whole thing out, it's already spread beyond what you can see

METAPHOR??

[earnest venture]

Episode 3 was the greatest piece of LGBT representation in media that America has produced imo

[earnest venture]

I agree with this 100%. So many other big budget TV shows fall look really nice, but story & entertainment wise? It’s not the greatest

[supple plinth]

i'm the greatest piece of lgbt media america has produced /j

[earnest venture]

your pfp is from the greatest movie of all time (biased) so I’ll accept it

[supple plinth]

you're not biased, you're based

[earnest venture]

real

[digital mauve]

just rewatched episode 3

so

fucking

good

@earnest venture youre clearly an impostor. the true spidey would never forget the hyphen between spider and man

[earnest venture]

@digital mauve spider verse

I’m from the universe with no hyphens

[digital mauve]

🤯🤯🤯🤯

[digital mauve]

The Greatest Lampshading of All Time

at least I wanna say this is Lampshade but prolly not lol

[earnest venture]

my friend is watching ep 3 for the first time as we speak

It’s starting y’all

[sterile coral]

I don't think it's a lampshade

[digital mauve]

Regardless it’s funny lol

[sterile coral]

It is

[earnest venture]

I just thought of something

how did the guy who wrote scary movie 3 & 4 make Chernobyl and then THIS

[potent nacelle]

some people who write comedy are more capable than they let on

I mean goddamnit Zach Cregger was known for The Whitest Kid U'know

then he comes up with Barbarian

which is also very funny

and I don't even need to mention the Daniels

[digital mauve]

yeah usually people who are really good at comedy tend to be incredible at serious stuff as well

because making good comedy is extremely difficult

or at least requires skill

[earnest venture]

lets not forget jordan peele

[digital mauve]

exactly

really good comedy requires a lot more talent than people might think

[potent nacelle]

it requires emotional intelligence, and being a good observer of people

cause if you don't understand people around you, you can't make them laugh at all

cause then you don't understand what they find funny

all those qualities go hand in hand with good drama, good stories about people

[digital mauve]

spot on

its easy to make like fart jokes and slapstick

and im not saying those arent funny

but there is a type of comedy that requires a lot of skill to write and perform, and those skills can usually be translated very well to drama

[umbral sedge]

Wouldn’t Todd Philips be another example?

[slow nova]

Wouldn't other movies surpass that? I think it's recency bias you're experiencing.

[earnest venture]

it’s definitely a recency bias thing I am well aware LOL

[slow nova]

You're not alone. People calling it HBO's Magnum Opus, when there are series like the Sopranos and the Wire, this is almost laughable.

[exotic wadi]

https://twitter.com/TheCriticalDri2/status/1619280215208824833?s=20&t=mqBIgj974QpL0TN58301ag

The Critical Drinker (@TheCriticalDri2)

I wouldn't. I would axe that entire character and make the show infinitely better.

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drinker w tbh

[oblique ferry]

Which character

[exotic wadi]

Abby

[earnest venture]

||isn’t this technically a game spoiler?||

[exotic wadi]

no. doesnt show anything about the story other than there being a character called abby

[misty trout]

Just realized something about the first episode

The radio playing depeche mode was actually secret foreshadowing to ||Bill and Frank being dead||

Because the whole thing is that ||Bill's radio plays 80s music whenever he doesn't reset the machine for a week or so||

Meaning that ||by the time the first episode ends, he and Frank have been dead for long enough that the machine would be going off||

[dense coral]

It's not that secret, they already explained in ep 1 that 80s meant trouble.

[misty trout]

I mean yeah, but I'm talking specifically about what happened to Bill and Frank

Maybe foreshadowing isn't the best word, but it's a nice way to get a rough idea of the timeline of their fates

That stuff happened at least a week or two before the end of ep 1

[dense coral]

Yeah but you can also tell by the state of the leftovers in the house

[misty trout]

I'm only talking about episode 1

Episode 1 hinted at this in a way that wouldn't make sense until ep 3 explained it

The alarm in ep 1 proves that they died a week or two before Joel and Ellie got there

[proper bloom]

When Ellie lifts

[digital mauve]

the last of us 2 spoilers ||look i dont care how well made the story is, if you have the most beloved character from the first game be immediately killed in the most lame and embarrassing way possible, then force us to play as the person who killed him, people arent going to fucking like it. i dont know what drugs naughty dog was on to think that was a good idea||

||they should have started the game a while before joel dies, having us switch between ellie and abby, seeing their two groups' paths and seeing that theyre about to collide. maybe you know abby is after someone but you dont know who. then they meet, and the "event" happens, then you get the backstory. idk, im not a narrative master or anything lol||

i know where you're coming from but it was such a big swing....i was like ughhhhhh god damn it that was SUCH A BIG SWING.....

also abby is like a wild fucking animal. i loved her. i guess im in the minority

[digital mauve]

she's not a bad character, its just hard for players to get attached to her when her introduction is ||killing joel with a fucking golf club||

i get attached to themes and the world more than the characters themselves personally

but i also agree with you that taking a big swing was the right choice for the second game

i think the game was telling a good story, but it was structured SO weirdly

like if season 2 tells the same story as the second game but in a more coherent order (and maybe expand on the flashbacks) i think it could be amazing

[digital mauve]

i am once again asking that we change the channel name to accurately depict the year in which this show premiered

[supple plinth]

but it's 14/2/2022 today

[digital mauve]

there are only 12 months in the year you sillyhead

it is 2/2/24

[earnest venture]

also the episode 3 ending is foreshadowing when they adapt tlou part 2 by ||cutting to Joel in the truck when the song says “you’ll go away”, it’s also the first time that Joel and Ellie really connect. People are already theorizing that that in this adaptation of the last of us, “long long time” is going to be the song Joel teaches Ellie on the guitar.||

[boreal gazelle]

Woah, Imagine Keanu Reeves as Joel rofl

It would be impossible to hate him then.

[waxen estuary]

Episode 3 belong to grabish

[trim magnet]

If that word is what I think its supposed to be, that spelling belongs in the grabish

[waxen estuary]

English not My first language

[left geyser]

i do wonder if the guitar stuff from 2 gets brought over here or they truly hold out for season 2

[north yoke]

Lol these ratings are actually insane

I expect similar with episode 7

[haughty rapids]

tf

[potent nacelle]

When 30k homophobics out themselves

I've heard from the grumpiest mfs on the internet that this episode went hard

[haughty rapids]

Another reason why imdb is stinker

[left geyser]

That's gonna be extra funny cause while the second game is sexually explicit about that aspect, the kiss was in the first game! People gonna tell on themselves by going "rawr they retconned ||Ellie being gay|| for the bad sequel!"

Like I can see being surprised by the bill stuff, while it's all there in the game it's nowhere near as massive as this episode, but you've got to be kidding yourself if you didn't notice this shit when it happens

[torn dirge]

https://twitter.com/ebenbolter/status/1620378085064597506?t=1OIMu3alPG9yyiflNtNnfQ&s=19 neat thread

Eben Bolter BSC (@ebenbolter)

A little look behind the scenes of #TLOU ep3, with a few before and after scout to shoot shots from Fish Creek, Calgary.

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[digital mauve]

rewatching the most recent episode

i think these two guys might be gay

at first watch i just assumed they were roommates but now....i feel its becoming clearer...

[exotic wadi]

the episode wasnt as good as 2 and 1 but it wasnt that bad. i gave it a 7-8/10

[earnest venture]

They’re not gay! Me and my roommate are just like them! But we’re not gay!

[digital mauve]

hm interesting i think i will have to rewatch the scene of them kissing and in the bed together on repeat for a few hours to come to my conclusion

[sterile coral]

They're just two bros, chilling in a tub five feet apart because they're not gay

[earnest venture]

Fr like me and my roommate got married at the county office as a joke why can’t ppl see it that way

We’re thinking of adopting a child together bc it’ll be funny

[sterile coral]

Oh, that's cool

Are you going to go through it

[oblique ferry]

Oh wow that was a great episode

[digital mauve]

ikr

[oblique ferry]

Really emotionao

And dont know why people are syaing this was filler when the entire backstory of these two wonderful characters add to the development of Joel's character

[dire island]

Exactly, episode 3 wasn't a filler episode

[oblique ferry]

Yeah

[low current]

Bought the wine from the last of us

[native schooner]

So, you're pairing it with a niced braised rabbit..?

[low current]

I had steak with my girlfriend haha

[native schooner]

ya could have at least buoght some boudain blanc

[low current]

I’ll try harder next time lol

[calm swift]

Welp, gay stuff aside, that was tough, touching and great acted episode

[lament lava]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-lol-gif-20709392

[calm swift]

Also, I get to like the girl more and more, scenes where she sees stuff from the old world are nice

BTW, do I understand correctly, that since The Naughty dog works with HBO, the show lore is canon?

[proper bloom]

How much was it

Will you play the piano

[torn dirge]

did you have some mushrooms to go with it

[supple plinth]

wdym "gay stuff aside"?

[calm swift]

I mean, that it's a controversial theme, so I put it aside

[supple plinth]

ah. makes sense 👍

[dense coral]

love the gay stuff ❤️

[native schooner]

boudain blanc is a very pleasant rabbit sausage with rice. very mild, would go well with that wine.

[digital mauve]

i have a friend who knows nothing about the game and was going to watch the show

and i was so excited to see how someone with no knowledge of the game likes the show

she watched episode one and SHE DIDNT LIKE IT 😭

SHE SAID SHE DOESNT LIKE THE TIME JUMP

[native schooner]

calm down?

[digital mauve]

bro what

you did not just say "calm down"

im allowed to express emotion

[muted sable]

Cringe

You’re getting extra worked up about funny fungal zombie show

[sick pawn]

Based gay episode

[digital mauve]

yeah ok "big manly man"

[muted sable]

I indeed am

[boreal gazelle]

And that's the reason to not like this episode. They made us care about two new characters that they insta kill off in the same episode.

At the same time they haven't really gave us a good episode to bond with Joel and Ellie.

[potent nacelle]

that's backwards

[boreal gazelle]

Huh?

[potent nacelle]

''why would you make an entire movie dedicated to these characters if they're gonna kick the bucket at the end!?''

[north yoke]

I think this was a bottle episode limited to 2 characters

[potent nacelle]

not even, it has a lot to offer from Joel and Ellie on its own too

[north yoke]

I don't think it had lot to offer from Joel and Ellie

[boreal gazelle]

Rofl, cept this was a little movie in the series. I get it though, the entire thing was really on theme and translated to Joel and Ellie situation.
I like the episode but I was really looking forward to more Joel and ellie since the show didn't make me care about them yet

We should all like Bill and frank more than Joel and ellie

[digital mauve]

good thing there are 8 other episodes!

[potent nacelle]

Joel trying not to show Ellie some fucked up stuff that's happened, Ellie thanking Joel for his little exposition on the world, Ellie seeing the side of him that did care for Tess and finally a moment that shows us Ellie WILL take his word dead serious in the proper situation. That's a lot from an episode hyper focused on someone else.

[digital mauve]

people act like this show is four episodes long or something

spending one of nine episodes with other people still leaves the majority of the show with joel and ellie

[potent nacelle]

also, the moment Ellie had with the infected at the basement or whatever that place was

that's showing character, developing our idea of her

[digital mauve]

yeah episode 3 did a lot for joel and ellie

[boreal gazelle]

Lol I know as I said it explored Joe's state of mind quite a bit.

Ellie hasn't really had any moments to shine yet tho, imo.

[digital mauve]

a lot of people were just in "i am homophobic but dont want to admit it" mode after watching the episode so they cane up with these convoluted reasons that the episode wasnt good

[digital mauve]

good thing we're only a third of the way through the show

[north yoke]

Na I get it and I loving this show but this particular episode didn't do much for Joel and Ellie

[digital mauve]

ok?

[north yoke]

Ok

[boreal gazelle]

I guess what made me dislike episode 3 at first was it put us on a emotional Rollercoaster no one was expecting

Rofl

[digital mauve]

well duh we're all angry that they made us cry

[boreal gazelle]

Good at least I'm not alone in that

[potent nacelle]

What you feel watching the episode is subjective, and doesn't really work to try and criticize it on that basis, it's unfounded. But to say whether the show is putting in the effort to push that feeling into you, well that can be done cause like I just did, those scenes are there. And they are properly written, properly shot (some will argue that one and I don't blame 'em) and properly acted. The job is done, what you will take out of it is beyond the creator's control.

[boreal gazelle]

Right it only did in a more abstract way by focusing on similar themes and connecting it with Joel and ellie. But, yea obviously focusing on them would of been the best way to do that.

But I assume they are going to give us that episode soon.

[north yoke]

I loved episode 3 but to say that this episode contributed to Joel and Ellies story is dumb. As someone who has played that ||winter section, David stuff|| is yet to come

I gave episode 3 a 10 on IMDb but this was a bottle episode for 2 characters let's be honest

[potent nacelle]

It really wasn't, not with the way it decides to wrap up. It even has scenes to connect to Joel's character, Bill telling him in the letter that they are equal is no unintentional mistake.

Craig has said in interviews, that whatever they write extra into the series, will rotate back around into Joel and Ellie's relationship.

[boreal gazelle]

Yes. But it wasn't anything revolunary for Joel. It just hammered home elements of his character already showcased in the prior episodes.

[north yoke]

I think they were more of a 'nod'

[boreal gazelle]

^

[potent nacelle]

That those scenes serve that purpose it is pretty clear, even if it isn't as effective as one might think

[north yoke]

Hell walking dead did episodes like this

[potent nacelle]

semantics

''it's not giving us anything from Joel's character, it's hinting at them!"

[north yoke]

And writers explicitly said they were bottle episodes

Like fly from breaking bad

You skip

[sick pawn]

skipping 'Fly'

[north yoke]

You still won't really miss anything

[sick pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/paddle-gif-9868167

[north yoke]

Apart from a great episode

[north yoke]

I never slipped fly lol

But you get the point

[potent nacelle]

you're telling me it's not necessary to see Joel's reaction to the letter?

[digital mauve]

this episode was crucial to the plot

[north yoke]

Skip this episode and there is no letter

[potent nacelle]

why yes, it's not necessary to give depth to your stories.

shouldn't even be there

[north yoke]

Aight

[boreal gazelle]

Episode 3 is good as it shows us they have good writers and the ability to make a decent story away from the Canon. Which is really useful for a series that wants to last awhile.

I assume we could even get a third season if it keeps doing well.

[digital mauve]

why would you want the audience to feel emotions?

[north yoke]

I get your point

But this episode was the definition of a bottle episode

[potent nacelle]

Why would you want your audience to have a glimpse into the protagonist's inner thoughts, done so well it is not even on the nose. Hell no I don't want none of that

[north yoke]

Please tell me, skip this episode and what you are missing from the plot?

Apart from car and batteries

[boreal gazelle]

As for the gay part in the show. I don't see why people are complaining, it didn't even show a sex scene did it?

Or it was very Tame, I don't remember it

[north yoke]

Lol let's not discuss the homophobes part

[boreal gazelle]

Tons of people watched games of thrones and shameless without complaint and it had virtually hard-core sex scenes.

[digital mauve]

apart from multiple extremely crucial things you mean

[north yoke]

Dosnt matter if it was "tame" they will always complain

[digital mauve]

"remove the several ways that this episode moves the plot forward, and it doesnt move the plot forward at all!"

[boreal gazelle]

I personally kinda dislike sex in TV series because they use it as a time waster.

[north yoke]

In what way does it move Joel and Ellie's plot forward?

[boreal gazelle]

Every pair of bouncing tips in game of thrones could of been a battle or dragon scene or more court plotting,.lol.

[digital mauve]

joel now realizes that he needs to find "someone worth saving" (ellie). we even see him smiling at her at the end of the episode. not to mention now they have the truck, the battery, and lots of resources as well as a plan of where to go next

this episode completely reshaped joel and ellie's relationship moving forward

[north yoke]

Bro

[digital mauve]

and the only way to understand that was by seeing bill and frank's relationship

[boreal gazelle]

Remove the entire bill and frank scene besides for the flashbacks and you could have about 40-50 more minutes to show ellie and Joel and some scary Zombies

[north yoke]

They never saw Bill and Frank's relationship

[digital mauve]

joel visited them and was friends with them

[boreal gazelle]

Nor was that in the game

[digital mauve]

so?

[boreal gazelle]

Wasn't Bill already dead in the game?

[digital mauve]

frank was

[north yoke]

And then getting truck and batteries sounds like game plot

[digital mauve]

this was a big change from the game

thats not a bad thing

it is an adaptation

[north yoke]

Yeah so...

[sick pawn]

Yeah, it's not a 1:1 adaptation of the game.

[north yoke]

Doesn't contribute to story

[boreal gazelle]

I do like the world building scenes so far. The only thing I dislike is that they removed spores.

[north yoke]

Therefore

A bottle episode

[boreal gazelle]

I disagree you can't connect with characters with masks on.

[digital mauve]

i literally just explained how it does

thats also not what bottle episode means

[boreal gazelle]

You guys don't love batman?

[sick pawn]

Do we know that the episode was a bottle episode made due to budgetary constraints?

[digital mauve]

we know that it wasnt

budget was not an issue

[boreal gazelle]

Imagine they made a batman movie where we didn't wear a mask because it doesn't allow you to show emotion. Rofm

[sick pawn]

So it doesn't fit the definition of a bottle episode.

[digital mauve]

the director of the episode pitched the idea to the creator of the games and he loved it

[north yoke]

Bottle episode in sense you can skip the episode and get the story

[digital mauve]

this was not a bottle episode

[sick pawn]

That's still not a bottle episode lol

[digital mauve]

not what "bottle episode" means

bottle episodes can be important to the story

and non bottle episodes can be unimportant

[potent nacelle]

The removal of the spores was way beyond not showing emotion, Pascal has done his share on masked heroes and people still love him. I don't think Neil and Craig are that dumb/oblivious to think otherwise.

But the spores is a game mechanic

[sick pawn]

Bottle episodes just mean, 'we didn't have money in the budget to produce the original script so we made up something quick using limited resources'

[boreal gazelle]

I hope someone gets my episode in a bottle.... yeah.

[potent nacelle]

don't go around that blob mass of air in that specific corner of the room and you're gud

[digital mauve]

its just harder to show where/when the spores are present in a coherent way that makes sense in film

[potent nacelle]

that's not how real life works, but it is how a game mechanic can work

[digital mauve]

yeah it works as a game mechanic but not as well in film

[north yoke]

Oh I thought bottle episodes were the ones which you wouldn't lose much if you skip it but still get the story

[digital mauve]

i think all of the actors are more than capable of acting with masks

[digital mauve]

even if that was what bottle episode meant

this still wouldnt have been a bottle episode

[north yoke]

They got a car and batteries

[potent nacelle]

I don't expect the god of war adaptation to put in all the game mechanics like waiting around to throw that dang axe and freeze the door, they might even change the level designs all together so they are actually interesting to watch

in contrast to when it needs to be interesting to solve for a game

[digital mauve]

yes which is the main thing they were trying to get for the last two episodes

[north yoke]

Character stances weren't even hindered

Like 'Fly'

[digital mauve]

what does that even mean

[north yoke]

It will come into next episodes

[north yoke]

Main characters

[boreal gazelle]

Spores make it way scarier. You jut have to breath it in and it's over.

They tried to make things seem realistic but spores makes th most sense.

Specially it still shows the terraform element of the plague, but that part makes very little sense without spores.

Sure they said the infected can sense you in terraformed areas, but they were walking all over those areas before finally getting their attention.

[digital mauve]

literally nothing makes sense if you analyze it too much

its a zombie apocalypse

and again, showing spores as a mechanic in a live action show would be extremely difficult and ultimately take away from the show

[potent nacelle]

And yet the show has shown us that they can amp the tension up immensely so with just smart camera work

episode 2 gave me the tension I never felt playing the game

[north yoke]

As the writers said
Spores were not added because they didn't want to hide the faces or actors

[potent nacelle]

and all it needed was to use the medium to deviate from the gameplay mechanics, like a good adaptation should do. Explore the tools you have to compensate for what you don't

[digital mauve]

the point of a live action adaptation is to make changes that play to the strengths of film

and this show has been doing an incredible job of that

[north yoke]

Wouldn't disagree with that

[digital mauve]

believe it or not but adapting something onto another medium potentially still ties into writing

entirely depending on the work it is based upon

[digital mauve]

wdym?

also this is random but i am probably the best type of person to watch the show

because i watched markiplier play the game years ago

so i have a BASIC understanding of how the game goes

but i dont remember many specifics

so i can just enjoy the show without constantly being distracted by what was or wasnt in the game

but i still know vaguely how things are going to go

[north yoke]

No shot

[digital mauve]

Depending on the work it adapts it potentially affects some aspect of writing

My main example of this being the case is… ugh 2019’s Cats when they added in Victoria

Of course this isn’t necessarily always the case though and like I said it varies completely

[digital mauve]

oh i kinda see what you mean

but the cats movie sucks

[north yoke]

Pikachu is a great cat

Don't disrespect

[digital mauve]

Exactly

seriously they pretty much threw away any chance of merit with how they did Victoria in the film

especially when they wrote in “Beautiful Ghosts” like what the hell

i have like zero memories of that movie because my coping mechanism is to block out traumatic memories

[supple plinth]

that's why all i recall about space jam 2 is that basketball probably happened in there

[sterile coral]

Forcing people to watch Space Jam 2 should legally count as a form of torture

[digital mauve]

i dont even think it did

[digital mauve]

You’re better off this way when it comes to this abomination of a musical film

[digital mauve]

would have been better if they had kept the buttholes

[digital mauve]

Unless you wanna suffer seizures be my guest

[sterile coral]

Forcing people to watch Cats (2019) should also legally be counted as a form of torture

[digital mauve]

so should forcing people to watch episode 3 of the last of us

i've seen it 3 times and it makes me so sad every time

[umbral sedge]

I don’t get how people say episode 3 didn’t contribute to the story. Like it did a good amount to add to the show but even if it’s not a lot, why would people want to skip this episode?

[digital mauve]

if i had to feel that sad 24/7 i would die

[digital mauve]

they are homophobic but dont want to admit it

[umbral sedge]

Well I wouldn’t lump everyone into that group but that definitely is a part of it lol

[digital mauve]

the only valid complaints i have seen people have about the episode is that killing bill before joel and ellie get there means they removed a part of the game that a lot of people liked. but i think that what we got instead was better

[umbral sedge]

Agreed

[sterile coral]

They shouldn't have used On the Nature of Daylight because that song makes me get all emotional and teary-eyed

[digital mauve]

literally everything about the episode makes me emotional and teary-eyed

[north yoke]

Lol if you think episode didn't contribute to overall story then you are a homophobe

Weird

[digital mauve]

never said that

i said that a lot of homophobic people refuse to admit thats why they didnt like this episode

[potent mauve]

homophobia is attributed to a lot of the hate towards this episode lool

[mighty lion]

I mean, they were. They literally shifted a point in Joel’s character arc. He goes from not being dedicated to protecting Ellie to finally realizing that he needs to protect her because of his past guilt

Y’all saying “skip this episode” act like you didn’t see the final 20 minutes

Joel literally changes as a character from the start of episode 3 and end of episode 3

And don’t even get me started with skipping fly from breaking bad, imma-

[mighty lion]

If you wanna see scary zombies over the story between bill and Frank then you’re really missing the point of what this shows about lmao

[oblique ferry]

This was not a bottle episode and certainly not a filler episode as well lmao

[lament lava]

new episode hasnt aired yet and its already being review bombed on imdb

[mighty lion]

Can’t help but feel sad for those people who do that

So much hate man

[native schooner]

progress rules

[wary relic]

wait until ||ep 7||

[exotic wadi]

Ive just thought if they're willing to change bill and franks story for the show hopefully they'll be willing to change how ||joel dies|| in the last of us part 2 so maybe the 2nd season will be a tad bit less shit.

I probably still wont watch it till reviews + opinions are out to see if it might be decent or not but i highly doubt it

Still would prefer they werent making a season 2

[oblique ferry]

Never have I seen people complaining about a season renewal of a show other than TLOU lol
Guess the second game was really divisive it seems

[exotic wadi]

Ive seen it tons of times?? Another example in the last few weeks was velma.
That shit show has been renewed for another season

[oblique ferry]

Velma is a special case lol

[exotic wadi]

I dont know how or who wants that but whoever it is needs to take a good look at themselfs

[oblique ferry]

And think the second season renewal is rumour?

[exotic wadi]

Big mouth was another 1

[exotic wadi]

No its been fully renewed at hbo

I wonder how hbo can make their best and worst show simultaneously

The month of january really sums up HBO. Sometimes its phenominal, sometimes its the worst shit ever made, there is no inbetween

[oblique ferry]

Well its not technically HBO but rather HBO Max

[exotic wadi]

Tomayto tomahto

Also why has this channel got (2022) in its name when the shows first episode released in 2023?

[oblique ferry]

Well, anyways enjoying this show a lot
Havent got spoiled any major plot points except|| for Ellie being a lesbian||

Because stupid YouTube thumbnail

[exotic wadi]

I wouldnt call ||ellie being a lesbian|| a "major plot point"

Its more of a "oh yeah also this" plot point

Also we dont find that out in the first TLOU base game so we probs wont see it in first season

[wary relic]

hbo's second seasons usually suck so i'd watch out

[dense coral]

I've heard ||left behind was incorporated into s1||

[ionic cave]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tysonbottenus/black-mold-growing-toxic-brain-vacation?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharecopy

[mighty lion]

New episode today

[oblique ferry]

Lesgoo

With TLOU Sundays and Vinland Saga Mondays, life is good right now

[lament lava]

Just can’t fathom being so fucking hurt over anything that I go intentionally rank the rating and make it misleading for future viewers

Episode 3 should have a rating on par with Breaking Bad and Mr. Robots best episodes but instead it sits at 7.2 cause of homophobes

Can’t get an accurate read on any films/shows general consensus cause losers won’t fuck off tanking their ratings

And sadly outside of flat out removing rating systems there’s no fix. You take away rating a show over its current or only season finishes airing people will just wait until they can yank it

[potent mauve]

Left Behind is included in the first season

FYI

[oblique ferry]

Hedge did you have early access to the show?

[potent mauve]

Yea

[oblique ferry]

Nice man

[potent mauve]

I could literally spoil the whole show for you right now if you wanted me to lol

[oblique ferry]

Would you?

Lol

[potent mauve]

I mean if you really wanted lol

[oblique ferry]

||Tell me how it ends? season 1||

[potent mauve]

If you’ve played the games it needs the same way

[oblique ferry]

Havent played the games lmao

[mighty lion]

Now, I wouldn’t rank it that highly but I see what you mean

Episode 3 was a solid 8/10

The previous two episodes were 7/10

But nothing has yet to be as good as the first 35 minutes of episode 1

Cause that was perfect

[digital mauve]

cant believe the tlou show has a filler episode

and its the best one yet

how tf do you make the beach ep your strongest

[dense coral]

by not making it a fille

[digital mauve]

well it was technically filler tho wasnt it? wasnt in the games and didnt further the story along in any meaningful way

the homophobic backlash is nuts tho

that was one of the purest and most wholesome love stories out there

especially in a single episode

LMAOOO reading the thread back it turns out there has been a lot of arguments about this already sorry for adding fuel to the fire i didnt know that many people called it a filler ep

i dont think its a "skip" tho idk what people are on about with that

[exotic wadi]

Oh maybe it will come into play but still i wouldnt call it a major plot point just an extra detail to the character

[digital mauve]

btw do we know how much of the first game season 1 is covering?

im guessing its not all

that would make for a pretty short series

[dense coral]

whole first game

[digital mauve]

oh damn so theyre going the short but good route

i respect it

so s2 is the second game and then they either go original or wait for the third game

such a good show so far

set pieces are insane, i didnt expect them to go all out with it

although ig its HBO so they have the money

[mighty lion]

Wrong lol

[digital mauve]

do you want to uhhh make any arguments? im not married to the idea that the ep is a filler thats just what it looked like to me

[mighty lion]

Sorry if I came across rude there lol, I’ve just seen too many people say that it’s filler and it’s annoying me

[digital mauve]

yeah thats fine lol i didnt know that was a whole thing when i posted the first post

[mighty lion]

Yea lol

So i think

It isn’t really filler because Joel has a major shift in his character arc by the end of episode 3

And while the series gets “distracted” by a different storyline, it does help enforce the themes of the series. Frank and Bill’s story is all about love, connection, protecting others and loneliness

That’s what last of us is about

And Frank and Bill’s story is juxtaposed with Joel and Ellie’s story. I’d argue that’s not filler, despite it not moving anything plot wise. It does help form a great understanding of Joel and Ellie’s relationship and the weight of their situation through the perspective and relationships of Frank and Bill. It’s just clever juxtaposition

Not only that but we get to see Bill push Joel by making him realize his needs to protect Ellie as he struggles with the guilt of failure and loss with his daughter and Tess

Joel learns, as well as the audience who witness Bill and Frank’s emotional story, the importance of protecting the people you love. He chooses to go all in and take care of Ellie in this journey of hope. The episode ends with some great chemistry moments between joel and Ellie. Such as them listening to music and smiling at each other as well as bantering. It’s promising a more emotional relationship where Joel chooses to protect Ellie, compared to Joel’s forced mission with Tess in search for guns

Ya that’s it

I’d also argue it does move the plot by introducing Joel and Ellie the vehicle and guns

I just realized something. The episode starts with Joel in the woods and his discontent with helping Ellie. By the end, they’re smiling has he’s chosen to help her. That’s probably the biggest indication of change in Joel’s character

[digital mauve]

okay yeah damn i actually do agree with all of that, So ig the whole episode would be there to reinforce the importance of the ||letter|| which is what ends up changing joels mind Which would make the frank and bill love story less about them and more about character building for joel and introducing the viewer to the setting and the vibes of the series as a whole. I was thinking about it a bit like "the fly" episode of breaking bad but that doesnt really do the passive storytelling that gives a whole background to why the ||letter|| hits joel as hard as it does

its kind of genius when you think about it

i did do a whole 180 on it lmao

[mighty lion]

A lot of people counter that joel wouldn’t have understood the weight of the letter because he didn’t see the story between Frank and bill

But it’s not true cause joel knows bill and they’ve met before lol

Joel even knew before Ellie read the letter that they were dead

[digital mauve]

oh yeah and it is very much implied that they've kept in touch

[mighty lion]

Yea cause of the 80s music thing

[digital mauve]

they also show bill and joel relate to each other with how they deal with other people so it would hit harder coming from bill specifically

[mighty lion]

Like, imagine if they removed the frank and bill story. It’s just Ellie and Joel walking in the woods, going to Bill’s place. Then they find the letter.

Sure, it’s emotional to see Joel realize that he needs to change. But, we don’t get that emotional understanding of the series themes

The weight of what bill truly means

And why the audience should care

[mighty lion]

Yes exactly

[digital mauve]

damn yeah and it also is basically parallel to joel and jess' story so they get to do a passive backstory on them too in a single ep without showing joel's past

[mighty lion]

Bill and Joel are very similar characters, impacted by the pain of the apocalypse and left alone with hatred for humanity

Until they both encounter someone who changes them

Frank is to Bill what Ellie is to Joel

It’s an amazingly written parallel

And if that’s filler then that’s some great filler right there some of the best fr

[digital mauve]

wait wouldnt it be what jess is to joel and since joel couldnt keep jess safe he goes full fixated on ellie

[mighty lion]

Well, it’s cause joel failed tess and his daughter

He couldn’t protect them

[digital mauve]

yeah honestly now calling it filler sounds disrespectful with how much secondhand and firsthand character building is done

[mighty lion]

He was still in this “oh I’m alone and I hate everyone” mindset

[digital mauve]

oh yeah thats true

[mighty lion]

Ellie is what changes Joel’s mindset

While also giving Joel another chance to redeem himself

From the failure of Tess and his daughter

[digital mauve]

a chance to redeem himself works super well with the game too since thats exactly what happens there

even if they dont do the romance part

and either way this is one of the best episodes i've seen in general so its crazy how it review bombed considering the first two eps both have 9s on imdb lmao

[mighty lion]

That’s cause people are sad idiots

[digital mauve]

LOL TRUE

[mighty lion]

Pretty sure they’re expressing their homophobia deep down instead

[digital mauve]

oh yeah i mean ive seen some pretty openly homophobic people on twitter too

its always a cointoss when you try to appeal to gamers

weird how the homophobic people came out for the last of us tho since the games have multiple openly gay characters

anyways thank you a lot for the conversation masterpiece that was really helpful!

[sterile coral]

Gamers, on average, do not have the best media literacy ever

[digital mauve]

TRUE

[mighty lion]

Yes I enjoyed it and again, sorry for being rude at the start

[digital mauve]

oh no problem i absolutely understand

[sterile coral]

Video games are not taken seriously as an art form for the most part and I feel like that's partly the fault of most gamers

Because they are an art form and they should be treated as such, but there are people who just don't get storytelling

[digital mauve]

gamers have absolutely ruined gaming as an art form i absolutely agree with that, capitalism and greedy corporations mightve turned whats left into a microtransaction hellhole but games as art have been let down by the gamers

[sterile coral]

The Last of Us is one of the prime examples of video games as an art form

[digital mauve]

it is also as interactive as a medium gets so its super sad

[digital mauve]

naughty dog are good at that imo

they take a lot of inspiration from cinematic storytelling

[digital mauve]

time to watch episode 4

YES

YES

YES YES YES

THE MAGAZINE

YES

HAHAHAH THEY DID THE SCENE

THEY DID THE THING

this makes me so happy

[muted sable]

I can’t watch until my gf gets back from work at 6 am

Pain

[digital mauve]

holy shit

holy shit that was upsetting to watch

[supple plinth]

i can't watch till tomorrow so i have to not look at this channel :(

[mighty lion]

I think I’ll wait to binge this

[ruby ocean]

YES! THEY ADDED IN THE JOKE BOKE

BOOK

IDC I MISSPELLED IT IM SO HAPPY

[digital mauve]

AHHHHH this is so heartwarming

oooo i know who those are

aw its over

very sad

ok but wanna know whats amazing

episode 5

airs on friday

instead of sunday

because of the superbowl

aw damnit i work late that day

i wont be able to watch the episode until a couple hours after it comes out

thats very sad

[short rock]

Okay, so I just met Kathleen, she’s my fav character now

[proper bloom]

“Weakest” episode so far at least for me, but I did enjoy the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie here

[proper bloom]

Same

I haven’t played the game

[short rock]

She’s not in the game

[proper bloom]

Oh nice

[proper bloom]

WAIT REALLY

let’s go

[potent mauve]

if you have played the game, we meet ||sam and henry|| next episode.

minor spoiler? i guess?

if you click it you literally won't know who it is lol

[boreal gazelle]

I heard it was because they actually bought it for two seasons.

[boreal gazelle]

This is also revealed at the end of the episode cuz it shows a teaser.

And it was basically foreshadowed enough in the 4th episode

can't wait

[dire island]

Another great episode,

I think after this episode relationship between Joel and Ellie got more close, they are certainly more honest with each other

Also.. interesting to see ||a local militia in this world which makes sense ||

[sterile coral]

It's always a treat to see Melanie Lynskey in something

[ionic cave]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1622418644805328898?s=20

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

Episode 5 of ‘THE LAST OF US’ will air early this Friday on HBO instead due to the #SuperBowl.

Read our review: https://t.co/qrdlPbWHYw

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[fathom marsh]

This show is fine, but it’s like super over hyped

Like, it’s a dystopian, kind of zombie show

There’s not much more to it

[digital mauve]

well every day someone comes on to this server with just the absolute worst take

[fathom marsh]

I’ve only seen episode one, so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt

[digital mauve]

bruh watch the rest of the episodes

theyre good

[dire island]

Then maybe watch the next 3 episodes and then decide.. seriously

It's like the take on Andor, first episode was boring and hence the show ain't good.. ridiculous stuff

[digital mauve]

i still havent gotten around to finishing andor

i think i watched like two episodes

[dire island]

You wouldn't know how good a show is by watching just a few episodes

[frail pawn]

just saw the rating on IMDb super high 9.2... i have not played nothing... so no idea what to expect... the poster looks terrible like some TWD shit... should i check it out? is it good for ppl who did not played the games?

[digital mauve]

yes watch it

[frail pawn]

thanks

[oblique ferry]

Check it out havent played the games either but its a great show

[dire island]

I haven't played the game as well and 4 episodes in I am absolutely loving this show, do give it a shot

[frail pawn]

i will 👍

[exotic wadi]

Is there 2 episodes this week? I havent seen episode 4 yet cause im in the uk and it comes out at like 4 or 5am here

[ionic cave]

Yeah looks like it.

[exotic wadi]

Oh so episode 5 will probs be saturday morning for me

[ionic cave]

Hmm

[exotic wadi]

i woke up lik 15 mins ago and im now watching the episode

i sit through the opening title sequence every time because the music is just so fucking good

||"why are all these pages stuck together?"
"ughhhhh..."||

made me laugh so hard

also the ||"how do u walk around with these things???"||

[exotic wadi]

wow... 11/10 episode

thats the first time ive teared up in a long time

this is the kind of episodes i look forward too

easily the best episode so far

4 > 1 > 2 > 3

[junior mauve]

THEY HAD THE JOKE BOOK

I’m so glad they did the exact scene in the car with the magazine

And they ||introduced Henry and Sam😭||

[exotic wadi]

im so excited for next episode i just hope it isnt like episode 3 and more like episode 1 or 4

[exotic wadi]

||im not ready to re-live sams infection and henry's suicide 😭 || <- game and future show spoilers

[junior mauve]

||I’m gonna cry so fucking hard||

||It’s unfortunate that Sam is deaf or something but I still think that they’re gonna do great||

||If they actually show them suiciding though then this show is gonna be the saddest it has ever been||

[exotic wadi]

||if we see him blow his own head off ima be screaming||

i actually kind of hope the show tweaks it a little and makes ||henry's suicide a bit less traumatising for the viewer instead of a sudden gunshot suicide we should see him deuterate after his brothers death, have night come as they comfort him and then have the characters go to sleep and have joel and ellie wake up to henry having hung himself in the night||

||the gunshot is just so sudden and i was actually shaking a little after it happened, i remember putting the controller down and just thinking for a few minutes||

[dense coral]

I'm surprised that the show cuts away when somebody gets shot

[exotic wadi]

the guy didnt get shot ||joel stabbed him with his own knife, u can hear the thud of the knife||

we saw ||joel shoot a guy, that was shown||

[dense coral]

Not a meaningful difference, same case

[exotic wadi]

the only time it wasnt shown was when ||ellie shot him||

[dense coral]

Although I can get that as we move to Ellies perspective

[dense coral]

Watch further in the episode, there is another case

[exotic wadi]

also when ||the leader shot the guy in the storage unit thing but that was just to show her being merciless, she opens it shoots him and closes we didnt need to see him get shot||

but we did watch ||joel shoot a guy when they where first in the shootout, we see him peak his head and snipe the dude and we see the blood splatter and him fall over||

we also watched people get shot in earlier episodes

as well as other forms of death

[dense coral]

I'm just not used to it happening in HBO productions

We still get 5 more hours of this, man, such a great show

[digital mauve]

PEDRO PASCAL IS SO GOOD

also bella ramsey is doing a lot better now, she really improved imo

its really fun how closely they follow some game scenes

[junior mauve]

I honestly think it would be better if ||we get the him shooting himself death because it was very shocking and people will be able to feel the pain that us gamers felt||

[wary relic]

great episode as always

[low current]

not a big fan of this faction and their story, they just seem idk boring?

joel and ellie still continue to shine

[oblique ferry]

That was another great episode

Wonder how Joel is gonna handke the Sam and Henry duo

[muted sable]

Yeah ok good ep

Every episode gets better and better in my opinion

The good part of Neil cuckmann’s tlou2 message is there in the whole scene with Ellie saving Joel

Genuinely shocking watching that scene

I was watching expressionless and I look to my gf and her jaw is dropped

[digital mauve]

that was so upsetting for me to watch

[digital mauve]

ikr

i can't remember, were people upset when he was cast as joel?

i know they wanted the people from logan as joel and ellie

like fans

but i literally cannot see anyone else in the roles now

[digital mauve]

JOEL SMILES...AND I SMILE

i wonder how long it had been since he smiled like that🥹

[torn dirge]

https://twitter.com/ebenbolter/status/1622652671030181888?t=DPRbIeDW0TU7d_cZCc6Ubg&s=19

[slow nova]

For me that was the best episode so far. The interactions were very wholesome and I didn't mind any changes. The only thing I wish was we heard "he ain't even hurt" but that's life.

[digital mauve]

i like that joel in the show is a bit quicker to open up

seeing him be a bit more compassionate is nice

[left geyser]

some of that might just be runtime

an underdiscussed aspect of adapting games is that games run multiples of hours more than even 20+ episode tv shows

so characterization gets to take its time to build. last of us is especially notable for it cause they do all these vignettes and little moments that happen alongside hours of gameplay

its why say, halo cant really get the same treatment as this game thats much more cinematic

[digital mauve]

also they didnt even try with the halo show

like obviously there is a lot more work necessary to adapt halo into a show

but they could have at least made a good story where the characters were somewhat recognizable as their video game counterparts

[zenith aspen]

Ellie reading that porn magazine is killing me, like put that shit back ma’am

[left geyser]

my point is more thats not even an approach worth pursuing, nor is that one anyone really honestly expected to see

last of us is in a sorta rare breed of games that you can make a 100% true to source adaptation with a very literal translation to screen

halo is very much a game largely in that doom/half life mold of "move around a big level and story occasionally happens"

[proper bloom]

Ngl

The apartment they were in

Looked nice

[lapis swallow]

||That homage to the tlou part ii at the end tho||

[lapis swallow]

That’s dialogue ripped straight from the game

[zenith aspen]

Ik, but its hilarious

[lapis swallow]

I agree

Which I like how the show balances new dialogue and dialogue from the game

[digital mauve]

haha i just got someone to block me on twitter by saying that the show needs more gay sex

[supple plinth]

they should do a whole sex scene based on tess' kiss in episode two (joke i'm not actually demented in the head)

[mighty lion]

Im an idiot, I didn’t mean to click this-

[fathom marsh]

Wait so, why did the outbreak happen all in one day

Like, everything was mostly normal, then all of a sudden things went crazy?

[mighty lion]

@fathom marsh episode 3 literally answers this

Like, literally

[torn dirge]

yeah a character directly answers that question lol

[dire island]

Absolutely but quite a lot of people watch TV shows doing other works which is why some miss important elements of the show.. I personally can never do that

[digital mauve]

that's funny

i have definitely been infected

but i don't mind

[lapis swallow]

Tlou part ii spoiler ||joel’s death was justified||

[exotic wadi]

no but go off

agree to disagree, tired of this argument actually. idk why i engaged lmao

[sick pawn]

dopamine

[boreal gazelle]

It doesn't have walking dead soap opera feel at all.

[boreal gazelle]

Lol funny, but it's obviously not a copy of Disney because the last of us game existed before starwars was ruined by disney

[sterile coral]

I am aware

[boreal gazelle]

You might of been joking but without a doubt producers are self aware in trying to copy the formula of the success of those shows.

[digital mauve]

||maybe not "justified", but ellie didnt need to get revenge. the truth is that in the apocalypse, people kill each other to survive, and if you just keep killing everyone who kills anyone then there will be no one left. the show goes further into this concept, showing how the biggest threat isnt the infected, but people||

[boreal gazelle]

Easily could see a bunch of TV series coming based on games.

[boreal gazelle]

Lol what? You don't revenge rando people you revenge the people you lost. And if you don't have anyone else to lose. Then you don't have anything to lose.

If I was living in the end times and someone killed someone I cared about then I would gladly hunt them down to the end of the earth.

Since it would give some purpose to keep living when you lost what little you had.

[digital mauve]

everyone has loved ones, so no matter who you kill, someone will want revenge. and the only way to stop it is to be the bigger person and end the cycle

and getting revenge like that never makes you feel better afterwards

[sterile coral]

I don't know too much about Part II but I think you didn't get what it was trying to say

Revenge is a cycle, it goes around and around and around forever until someone stops trying to seek it

[digital mauve]

exactly. and as much as it sucks, the best thing to do is to end the cycle yourself

wow i guess a lot of people just completely missed the point of the second game lol

i've talked about this before, but most of my problems with the second game are just the order in which the story is told

[boreal gazelle]

This is literally the point of the second game and why it has that one part that made everyone mad.
So, you would feel deep enough so you understand why those characters sought revenge.

Also, that's why the Roman way was when you killed a man in revenge you also took out his sons and anyone else who would feel obligated to revenge them. 😄

[digital mauve]

they knew what was up

[boreal gazelle]

I think again this was done on purpose.

They wanted you to feel upset and hurt.

[digital mauve]

but they could have done it in a way that doesnt make players hate the game theyre playing

[boreal gazelle]

Death isn't cinematic, it doesn't have a meaningful undertone. It's just the feeling of complete lost.

[digital mauve]

you cant introduce a character by having her ||kill joel|| and then expect players to be willing to play as her

[boreal gazelle]

Lol, ye I kept getting my character killed on purpose so they could get what they deserved.

[digital mauve]

like even if we knew her motivation, it would still hurt a lot. but at least players wouldnt despise the game

[digital mauve]

||THEY REALLY THOUGHT MAKING YOU PLAY AS ABBY AND HAVE TO FIGHT ELLIE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA||

[boreal gazelle]

Thats why I never finished that game because I got the ending I wanted

[digital mauve]

nice

[boreal gazelle]

My character died in a way I liked

And I went "this is the ending"

Lol

[digital mauve]

||and then making ellie not kill abby at the end, wtf. a better ending would have been if ellie killed abby and all her friends, only to have all of her own loved ones leave her because of it||

that would have hit way harder

[boreal gazelle]

Isn't this literally the point you made

It was to break the circle, it was to let it go.

And that's how your meant to feel.

[digital mauve]

yes i like the lesson the game tells, but having ellie just randomly completely switch at the end with no buildup is weird

either have her slowly realize she shouldnt do it, or go through with it

[boreal gazelle]

But as I said, I know how I felt and I would of took the warpath in their shoes.

For better but most likely for worst.

[digital mauve]

exactly, hence why i think ellie should have gone through with her plan only to realize what shes done after the fact. she gets so blinded by revenge that she pushes away everyone close to her (which actually already happens in the game) but doesnt even realize it until after its too late

[boreal gazelle]

This part makes sense if they did what they did so players felt max feels as possible.

So I admit they took a weird left with the ending.

Also feel there could be a similar relief knowing you had the ability to end someone and then spare them.

Reminds me of some native warfare where it was custom if you could simply tap the shoulder of the enemy warleader than you win the battle.

[tame crag]

today i basically semi-binged the series, finished episode 4 moments ago and watched episode 2, 3 and 4, in different moments, due to work... and i have to say that the difference of episode 1 and 3 from 2 and 4 is... huge

like 1 was some sort of masterpiece of intense stuff and thriller, 3 was... well, it's going to win some award of some sort because it's just that good, while 2 and 4 were... sort of... connections, ||i failed to address tess's death as the truly tragic thing that happens||

[zenith aspen]

The show needs more gay everything

[tame crag]

tbf the 3rd episode has all the gay things i ever wanted to see, except maybe a dog, a cat and a kid, all kind of bad to have in an apocalyptic world where everything is a fungus and a vehicle for infection

(but the ducks in the hotel seem very fine, so maybe a duck is fine)

[digital mauve]

it really does

[digital mauve]

yeah, just the idea of ellie, a 14-year-old, existing 20 years after the start of the apocalypse

like that is such a horrible time to have kids

[tame crag]

i mean, you can have them so that you have a bait in case a horde...

...

but aside that yeah, doesn't look like ellie had the best infancy

[boreal gazelle]

Think it's pretty clear she doesn't have any parents and never knew them.

[supple plinth]

just a 75 month pregnancy guys ellie was conceived before outbreak

[tame crag]

pretty normal

[boreal gazelle]

I mean it's the apocalypse her parents may of never been together.

Her mother may not even consented to the conception.

[tame crag]

after tess's kiss i don't want to know anything else about kids, sex and the whole affair in that world

[supple plinth]

that's true

[boreal gazelle]

lol, tess kiss is so dumb. Frickin have spores.

I love that the director famous for having an entire series people wearing masks. He finally was like "okay that's enough of that"

[tame crag]

holy fuck it was dumb for real, but even if i watched and thought it was dumb, i felt so horribly disgusted

[boreal gazelle]

Bad for tess, I really doubt she would of decided to cheat on her man like that in her last moments.

[tame crag]

i went back to thinking it was dumb, but the graphical content of that scene is so morbid i was "eeeeeewwwgggghhhhh"

[boreal gazelle]

Like damn, way to be a hoe.

Tess shrugging and going "yolo"

Just saying, didn't seem to fit her character in anyway to just sit there and take it.

[tame crag]

well indeed she was a bit "fuck this shit for real"

[boreal gazelle]

Yea, in the game doesn't she go down fighting?

Not sucide bomb like in show, not making out with zombies.

But, matrix style last stand with everything you got.

[tame crag]

as much as it was totally out of touch with the rest of the stuff (i mean, that stuff isn't even human, they literally up themselves after being alerted by the fucking fungus, why would they have sexual stuff going on?) looked a bit like "she's almost going to join them but whoops, humanity kicks in and BUUUUURN"

[tame crag]

yeah i remember that as well, i think she eventually bombs the place though, but it's also against humans tho...

not sure, i remember some soldiers indeed

stuff went wildly different there

[boreal gazelle]

The alerted by fungus is a cool take but makes no sense. The entire place is basically terraformed with fungus that they are walking all over but only then does it finally alert them?

[supple plinth]

can't always make sense i guess.

[boreal gazelle]

The terraform element made sense with spores.

[tame crag]

yeah but that terraforming fungus makes you question how are people not getting infected while... living on it?

like one step barefoot

and you're fucked

[boreal gazelle]

Nah, prob doesn't affect you unless gets in the body somehow. So just on your foot is fine if not cut.

It made senses with spores, they didn't try to change it much to remove the spore part.

Maybe if it was making a web of thorns or something.

[tame crag]

yeah, well, i reckon it had to be a fucked up moment in the studios while trying to change that

they changed too much, it became 28 days later

[mighty lion]

I loved the scene in the new episode where Joel stays up at night, despite telling Ellie he’d sleep, so he can protect her

[tame crag]

they changed a bit, it would probably still not make sense

[boreal gazelle]

If I made movies, I would have characters wear masks, No one gave a fuck when batman did it.

[tame crag]

that would enrage those tlou fans so much lol

[boreal gazelle]

"boohoo, I can't relate to a character if I can't see their face" Well, discontent fan, I can't see your face either, so I don't care. 😄

[mighty lion]

I know that’s a joke but im gonna be that “actually” guy

But actually

A lot of people hated Batman when he wore a mask

[tame crag]

ah, wait, you mean the "axctxtually" guy

[tame crag]

wait what?

[mighty lion]

Yessir

In year 1

[boreal gazelle]

I'm made a batman movie without a mask, so everyone can complain that batman doesn't have a mask

[tame crag]

who hates batman mask

[boreal gazelle]

It's gonna go like this. Batman walks in trying to be a hero and everyone goes

[mighty lion]

People were confused by a man wearing a bat suit and mask

[boreal gazelle]

OMG IT"S BRUCE WAYNE!!!

And batman is like wait... no it's not I'm batman

And they go OH NO IT"S BRUCE WAYNE

And that's the end of the movie.

[tame crag]

"yeah bruce, whatever" proceeds to kill all his relatives

[boreal gazelle]

Bruce Wayne get's arrested for being a vilgiante

National guard is called in to arrest him.

[tame crag]

people were easily confused back in the days

[boreal gazelle]

and succeeds

[tame crag]

they thought the society was a good thing, imagine

[boreal gazelle]

The t.v series the Society?

[tame crag]

nah, nah. "The" society.

[boreal gazelle]

I actually liked that alot, it got canceled because it was teaching the new generation of the corruption within politics.

Oh

[tame crag]

the one where any deviancy was enough to get you killed, murdered or electrocuted inside a building

and with "deviancy" i mean stuff abysmally stupid, like not liking avocado toast

[boreal gazelle]

lol

[tame crag]

(which is punishable by death if you ask me, but i'm a tolerant woman)

[boreal gazelle]

I don't like avocado toast because it's 90 percent cartel controlled food substance.

I like my breakfast without murder.

[tame crag]

well that's one wild take indeed

living in italy i can miss the cartel stuff tho

i think

maybe

[boreal gazelle]

Doubt

[tame crag]

...or maybe not

well thanks for ruining my avocado toasts

[boreal gazelle]

Mexico or south america is the main exporter of avcado, It takes 20 years to grow a single tree.

So it's been hard for other places to grow them, since they had to decided to have done it 2003.

When the avo trend was just starting.

[tame crag]

well i can assure you whenever i go to Conad, a supermarket franchising here in italy, it's even made in italy

at Lidl is some place in africa

[boreal gazelle]

Oh nice

[tame crag]

those are the only two places i saw though

i never considered the idea these things come from over the globe, but i doubt

[boreal gazelle]

But, ye in mexico there is basically armed truck convoys with machine guns on them that haul around avos.

[tame crag]

yeah i know europe imports an awful amount

[boreal gazelle]

I saw a film about one of the few avo farms that was resisting the cartel, they had to hire snipers and barbwire fences and had land mines around their farm.

[tame crag]

so it's probably cartel stuff indeed

[boreal gazelle]

But, about a couple months after the doc released

They got captured by cartel

;_;

[tame crag]

well holy fuck

guess it's not easy stuff, but this shit happens with a lot of food actually

look at coconuts

[boreal gazelle]

The good news is that now that USA is trying to get off China's Tit.
It's moving chinese jobs to Mexico, the extra investment in the Mexican Economy might make it no longer attractive for the law enforcement and intel agencies to side with the cartels over the Mexican State.

Which should result in the Cartels being declared proper terrorist groups, and then USA will start to drone strike their operations.

And the cartel will be basically history in just a couple of years.

[tame crag]

sounds like the perfect principle for another civil war

[boreal gazelle]

Literally is a civil war in Mexico, I think people don't understand how bad the Cartels are. Think of them kinda like the Taliban. In some towns, or rural areas or even entire states. The cartel is virtually the gov, people literally pay taxes to them.

[tame crag]

(this is so offtopic)

[boreal gazelle]

rofl ye

[tame crag]

let's cut this, we can't change things anyway lol, but yeah, situation looks a bit grim, i always hope for mexico to standoff (ahah, what a joke) against their mafia-like problems, but meh.

[boreal gazelle]

I mean they try, it's no longer a police issue though, they bring in the damn mexican army.

[tame crag]

well they learned from the italian government and the killings of politicians back in the 80s and 90s, we shared a common interest in bombing people in their cars

[boreal gazelle]

yikes

[tame crag]

if you like documentaries and this sorta stuff, search up "the lost shoes"

enough to shock you for a nice amount of time

[boreal gazelle]

lol will do

[digital mauve]

the show changes that a bit

[digital mauve]

me too

[frail pawn]

good to know definitely gonna check it out

[pastel mulch]

Ambush scene was lowkey boring compared to the game

Ellie’s actor couldv’e been so much better.

But overall, so far so good, liking the cgi, effects, cinematography, and story, along with most of the casted characters.

[ruby ocean]

Last episode was good. They got in the most iconic scene as shown below.

[potent mauve]

Uh, no? Not that I recall.

In episode 9 you do ||meet Ellie's mom at the very beginning of the episode. She's played by Ashley Johnson, Ellie's original voice actress|| (TLOU Episode 9 spoilers), but that's about it

[digital mauve]

||not yet||

[digital mauve]

ok you've seen the show

[potent mauve]

I have

[digital mauve]

thats what i was referring to lol

[potent mauve]

I got the whole season as press

I mean, ||ellie doesn't meet her tho lmao||

[digital mauve]

true true

[calm swift]

OK, episode 4, I can tell that yes, Bella Ramsey carries her role great.

[native schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiIRlg4Xr5w

[slow nova]

What was your favourite episode? And which one in your opinion will be the most controversial?

Also, have you played the game?

[nova dirge]

HBO Mario with Pedro needs to be a thing

[digital mauve]

both 3. actually 7 will be controversial as well

[digital mauve]

he gave us what chris pratt never could

[nova dirge]

For that we are thankful

[digital mauve]

indeed. i just wish we could get a whole show

[nova dirge]

I would watch the hell out of that show

[digital mauve]

me as well

[ionic cave]

Found the best reply to ppl shipping Ellie & Joel

[supple plinth]

wait, people do that? eww

[ionic cave]

Sorry that I exposed you to it. I hate having twtr

[slow nova]

Will episode 7 be controversial because of ||two girls kissing on screen||? It's loyal to the game so I don't see exactly how, but maybe it's something else.

[potent mauve]

My favourite episode is episode 7.

[digital mauve]

i think it will be less controversial but there will absolutely be a lot of people complaining, despite it being y from the games

[digital mauve]

twitter is a horrible place

[empty swan]

I’m guessing this is gonna be the Ellie flashback ep?

[ionic cave]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Foc5BXIaIAUJQKk?format=jpg&name=orig

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048651966584213504/1066103954586468453/image.png

[dense coral]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-liar-liar-pants-on-fire-point-gif-22079530

[ionic cave]

https://variety.com/2023/tv/obituaries-people-news/annie-wersching-dead-the-last-of-us-24-1235505825/

not sure, if this was shared

[dense coral]

probably was given it was posted 10 days ago

[tame crag]

omg.. i missed the news

very sad, and incredibly ill-timed

always hits when someone continues to act even tho they're battling cancer

[digital mauve]

yessssss

[digital mauve]

i was going to work on friday while the episode is premiering so i was sad

but then someone randomly asked to trade shifts with me

so now i dont work on friday!

so i can see the episode right when it drops 😎

[boreal gazelle]

I think the actress is great. I think most people are just upset because they are a younger audience and wanted Ellie to be "hot".

[boreal gazelle]

Isn't Ellie meant to be like 15?

[pastel mulch]

Their acting is great, but they look nothing alike.

Pedro Pascal does look like Joel though

[boreal gazelle]

I don't see people claiming about Joel, who is an entirely different ethnicity.

[pastel mulch]

I don't mind the ethnicity part, he still looks like Joel, but besides the actor for Ellie's acting, they look very different.

[boreal gazelle]

https://twinfinite.net/2020/03/actresses-play-ellie-last-of-us-hbo-series/

Who would you of casted then?

Maisie Williams would likely of been a popular choice.

[pastel mulch]

Kaitlyn Dever looks like Ellie the most.

Them most likely.

It would depend on the acting though.

[proper bloom]

uhhhhh

why would people even ship ellie and joel

LMFAOOOOO

[supple plinth]

i don't think bella ramsey needs to look like ellie from the game, she's still great at the character

[potent mauve]

Kaitlyn is too old

I think she would’ve been a good choice if the show was done like 10 years ago tho

[pastel mulch]

💀

[pastel mulch]

true

[digital mauve]

people keep fancasting like 30 year olds as ellie

the weirdest one is

well basically ellie in the last of us is apparently modeled after elliot page

and i saw someone say on twitter that elliot page should have played ellie in the show

and i just responded "you want a 35-year-old man to play a 14-year-old girl?"

and they got so embarrassed that they deleted their tweet

[supple plinth]

i mean yeah, for as good as an actor elliot is, he'd be a terrible ellie

[digital mauve]

i think any 35 year old man would probably not be great playing a 14 year old girl

[proper bloom]

LOL

[proper bloom]

fake news

wait hold on

[digital mauve]

what

wdym by that?

[proper bloom]

is it true that ellie's appearance in the game was inspired by ellen paige?

i heard he sued them a while ago or something like that

[supple plinth]

(elliot, not ellen)

[ionic cave]

Exactly the reason for this being a reply to

[boreal gazelle]

I mean, it's obvious if it's modeled on Elliot page it's modeled on Ellen Page, which I think it is.
The entire dialogue and the look is like a complete rip off of the character from junto IMO.

As lol Ellie isn't based on a 35 year old dude.

[fathom marsh]

This show is so overhyped

It’s good, but it’s it doesn’t bring anything more than say, the walking dead

[native schooner]

for fungus zombies, "the girl with all the gifts" is still my favorite