#Is Hollywood Dying?

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sick kelp
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The classic decade recurring article “Is Hollywood dying” is making a come back. Every decade this phrase is said but it’s never died, why do you think we are in this constant tug of war of saying Hollywood or movies are dying? Do people want it to die?

blissful canopy
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No nice way to say this but people are just being dumb desperate and hopeless on this

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I cannot stress this enough but Hollywood is here and it’s here to stay

tired lichen
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Not dying thankfully. Everything everywhere all at once, funny pages, X, pearl, Nope, barbarian, the black phone, top gun maverick, the outfit. Great examples of art films

primal girder
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It shares the same rhetoric as "The current generation is the worst generation" and it is often said by previous generations.

I don't think it is dying or will ever die until humanity does or something truly catastrophic happens that we are reduced to merely survival from AI overlords.

So yeah, ever since its invention, cinema has been growing each year and people who watch stuff has grown each year. Covid and Shutdown are exceptions.

tired lichen
blissful canopy
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plus this is such bad faith and terrible criticism to begin with

tired lichen
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I would type up a long ass essay here but since im on a mobile phone its quite annoying@

primal girder
tired lichen
sonic snow
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Its just the topic of the month sorta deal.

It will never wither away because it still puts out quality films. People generalize the few bad ones of the year into "the whole year was poor and bad"

But Hollywood will keep going on as long as the films are of sound quality

primal girder
blissful canopy
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For fucks sake try new things already.

tired lichen
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There was also Bullet train i introduced to my nephews, example of art film with hearts and effort put into. Pretty much, introduce them to movies that make them happy, that hype them up.

blissful canopy
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If stuff like SpiderVerse or Get Out can’t even get people to shut up with this meaningless argument I don’t what will

tired lichen
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I sound old i know but i am 20 and when i watched shawshank redemption for the first time when i was 17, i felt so happy. I felt like i was watching something that sparked and opened something up. This is the same with martin scorceses Taxi driver as well.

primal girder
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It's a process. Things gets shared, things gets passed down by one way or another. Lotta young and older people are here on this server watching similar things whether it be blockbusters or arthouse. It would be objectively false to say that young people don't care about arthouse or indie films

tired lichen
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Also i cant believe fake taxi uses the same music from taxi driver for their vids

sonic snow
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Fake taxi?

tired lichen
tired lichen
sonic snow
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Huh

round temple
blissful canopy
primal girder
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The term "Superhero fatigue" and "Cinema is dying" has been said for years and decades and it hasn't happened

sonic snow
tired lichen
blissful canopy
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When the whole “Modern Bad” keeps being said it just tries to completely blur that line and lead people to just shun down modern output

tired lichen
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Btw would the same also be applied to tv shows as well? Because i think people are just focused way more on mcu shows rather then normal shows.

primal girder
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One of the most annoying people are here on this server who wouldn't waste an opportunity to shit on anything new and say old films used to be better.

That screams "I am ignorant"

blissful canopy
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I’m love what the old folks potentially have done in the past for these mediums but I’m not taking delusional advice of “Modern Bad” from an 80 year old

sonic snow
blissful canopy
tired lichen
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I think tbh that sums up my mum very well. Shes in her 50s and growing up, she liked stallone, arnold movies etc. She likes the modern day movies as wsll, but the ones with good plot. The Road, children of men, tenet etc

sonic snow
blissful canopy
tired lichen
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DONT DISRESPECT TANGO AND CASH LIKE THAT XDD. Jk jk.

primal girder
sonic snow
tired lichen
blissful canopy
primal girder
# sonic snow Umm who

This conversation happens almost everyday and half the people in the conversation jump in to say that

sonic snow
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Oh you meant in general

tired lichen
blissful canopy
sonic snow
blissful canopy
primal girder
blissful canopy
tired lichen
sonic snow
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Its bad

tired lichen
sonic snow
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Also, is this discussion feature a new thing? Seeing it today for the first time now

blissful canopy
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No idea

primal girder
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It has been a feature on discord for a while but yeah they discussion section only started recently it seems

blissful canopy
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hell that one film based off The Beatles Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (oh god) from the late 70s just proves how bullshit the modern bad argument is

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and that film was just abysmal and total waste of time on an iconic album

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what the hell man?

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Yet you’re just gonna say “it’s supposed to be cheesy and bad”

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If people like that will say this go fire your screenplay writer

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How are we gonna say 2010’s The Last Airbender is one of the worst films ever made (deservedly so) and yet not say the same for 1978’s Sgt Pepper’s

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and jesus those people at this point is actually having defend shit like Cats of 2019

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@primal girder i am actually willing to defend 2018 Bohemian Rhapsody just to knock some sense into this

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which is just absurd

primal girder
vast wharf
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Hollywood dies every generation, according to each generation.

sick kelp
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Yep

blissful canopy
thick warren
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It's not dying but alot of people often feel "their era" was better, I hear it all the time.

I ignore the prophecies of doom.

primal girder
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Hollywood is dead

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We will all die next

wheat locust
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No, but i wish they thought so, because they really need to renew themselves. Maybe a little panic would help.

primal girder
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This is just hilarious

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@blissful canopy

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@high stratus

high stratus
iron grove
blissful canopy
bleak bane
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I say the big block busters are kinda dying out. But we are getting some incredible indie films as of late. So I think we will be fine

blissful marlin
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Yeah. The last good blockbuster was the Batman and top gun maverick. (I have not seen black panther: wakanda forever) but blockbusters have been really over saturated especially with superhero films. Make actual good movies, even if it means you make less of them.

blissful canopy
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arguably Sonic 2 as well

blissful marlin
jagged blade
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I think people have used that sentence as an excuse to say that films nowadays are bad, which is very subjective and not really based on facts

wheat locust
jagged blade
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I mean they don't properly back it up with information that supports what they're saying

wheat locust
jagged blade
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personal impressions, I guess

wheat locust
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that could be true, but i think when the author said "Hollywood", he meant the big studios. The stuff that is usually heavily marketed and everyone feels more or less compelled to watch by mass exposition

gleaming zephyr
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I wouldn’t say “dying” but more so constantly evolving. I will say that depending on the decade you might get great stuff or trash. To me, the last few years have been 80% Hollywood garbage. It’s a cycle of sequels, remakes and biopics. Very few original stories. So you really have to “hunt” for the gems and look at international cinema for good stories. Compared to say the 90’s or 70’s which had much better Auteur’s so I see why the “Hollywood is dying” argument is compelling

blissful canopy
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Yet they don’t bother and just disregard Knives Out, Get Out, or SpiderVerse, etc.

unborn snow
tired lichen
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And the films they will end up liking, will be the films they find themselves

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If that makes sense, idk. But it is what it is ig.

unborn snow
tired lichen
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Its alright man no worries

unborn snow
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Love cowboy bebop

tired lichen
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But i do think things suck nowdays because of how marvel is taking over. Even i love marvel and the mcu movies and shows. But i just want the generation to appreciate good art films.

tired lichen
unborn snow
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That’s fair but (not all) I honestly kinda think the mcu is in and of itself a type of art when taken in it’s entirety cause to have a film narrative not only arc over some 20-40 films and even cross into tv and manage to keep a mostly cohesive narrative is something that has never been done before and probably will never truly be replicated ever again.

unborn snow
tired lichen
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I did a review on it but TLDR it was decent, it stayed faithful in some ways. And i thought the actors did a great job

unborn snow
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I have mixed feeling on it started out really strong then just started getting worse and worse. I think the actors did great and I think john chow was a solid spike (or excuse me “fearless” god I hate that change” but I still saw some of the heart and spirit of the original in it so I thought it was overall ok. Viscous was horribly written and the twist at the end sucked and I won’t say ruined ballad if fallen angels cause I hate when people say stuff like that cause the original will always be great but they kinda butchered ballad of fallen angels in the live action

tired lichen
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Yeah i didnt like what they did with vicious, it wouldve been better if they did him like the anime. I thought casting was alright but british accent kept didnt work. Even im british and i thought the american accent shouldve been used

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Thing is as well i have a soft spot for cowboy bebop. Its one of my favourite anime because of the storytelling and representation of past present and future. I even defended netflixs live action adapation. And tho i give it a 6/10 at best, it couldbe been better

unborn snow
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I read your review and I honestly think I agree with every part of it and I agree about that soft spot for cowboy bebop cause I’m the exact same way so I kinda went into the Netflix one begging it to be good cause I just wanted something new in relation to cowboy bebop and have it be good so that may cloud a little bit of my judgement though what they did to the clown assassin dude in the live action will always make my blood boil for how poorly they brought one of the best episodes of the original shoe to life.

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I might have reviewed the show let me check I don’t remember

tired lichen
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Yeah what they did with Le piffot was badd

unborn snow
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I didn’t review it wish I had at the time cause I was practically seeing red about le piffot so it would have been hilarious to see just how angry I was roflol

thick flower
winged granite
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No

twilit tulip
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Hollywood will never die when people are willing to go to movies enough that they've become billion dollar box offices

jagged blade
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^ this

dry pelican
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sure they may be a tiny bit of a drop in quality but dying is a huge overstatement

vast wharf
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Hollywood dies every decade.

dry pelican
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if hollywood is dead then 2023 is going to be the defibrillator

pallid stream
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Kinda but Robert Eggers is trying to prove that originality’s better than remakes

vast wharf
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Which is why he's remaking Nosferstu 😎

iron grove
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I hope he doesn't get the taste of his own medicine

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Oh damn, it's the one with Lily Rose

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Project downhill

wheat locust
buoyant linden
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Michael Bay do make things go boom tho and Eggers makes my heart go boom.

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About the question of this thread no Hollywood will never die. You cut one head and another comes out. Hollywood is an industry, so it is in constant change, the product changes, to adapt to the market and viceversa the audience changes to adapt to the content, it mutates but never dies, if its not "art" anymore well that is completely subjective and irrelevant.

golden fern
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yes it's dying

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that is all

buoyant linden
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somebody call an ambulance...

latent drift
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koff koff

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pardon me...
wut?

buoyant linden
latent drift
buoyant linden
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i forgot how creepy the duck looked like

wheat locust
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i know what we should watch next

buoyant linden
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pls not that duck 😂

latent drift
thick warren
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At this point, when they write these articles of Hollywood dying, to me it's just clickbait. If you can't find good films or are always moaning about new releases, you're the problem.

vast wharf