#confusion regarding tangent vector basis

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naive swan
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If $T_p\mathbb{R}^n \cong D_p\mathbb{R}^n$, is it sufficient for equating the tangent space with the derivation space?

upbeat cypressBOT
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majesty

naive swan
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i.e for the rest of the book Tu just explicitly makes the partial derivative basis of the derivation space the basis of the tangent space, instead of using the arbitrary $(e_1,\dots,e_n)$ basis

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is this justified only given that isomorphism is proven?

dawn pagoda
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well by definition a tangent vector is based on a derivative of another vector or graph

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$(e_1,\dots,e_n)$

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ashton_the_ghostly_nerd

naive swan
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wouldnt $$\sum v^i \left. \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} \right|_p$$ just be a representation of $v \in T_p\mathbb{R}^n$ or something

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majesty

naive swan
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like the isomorphism allows for that but i dont get when it is justified to directly say $$\sum_i v^i \left. \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} \right|_p \in T_p\mathbb{R}^n$$

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majesty

naive swan
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not yk

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the tangent space

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even though theyre isomorphic

dawn pagoda
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well if they're isomorphic doesn't a=b and b=c lead to the conclusion a=c?

naive swan
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like direct equality (=) isnt the same as isomorphism

dawn pagoda
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man i shoulda taken a logic class

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so we're basically running into the issue of "we know the conclusion is right but the reasoning is unclear or faulty"

dawn pagoda
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is this for a class?

naive swan
dawn pagoda
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ah i see

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what's the topic this is building up to?

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bc this may be something that will make more sense if the big picture is made clear

naive swan
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im trying to do the maths up until doing integration on manifolds

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probably

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then id consider doing general relativity with this idk

dawn pagoda
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ooh

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now you really have my attention

dawn pagoda
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more datapoints in the train of thought could help us find a better reasoning for this step in the thought process

naive swan
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black holes and shi feels cool

dawn pagoda
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oh yeah

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there's this thing I'd like to prove or at least investigate mathematically using general and special relativity