#Help to prove equation has no solutions

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copper crane
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Hello! See picture added. I have an equation that has no real solutions. Which i need to prove by. I wrote:
The expression has no solution because a fraction is 0 only if the numerator is 0. And here the numerator is the constant -3. He said it was wrongly motivated. Can someone explain where I went wrong?
Thanks for all help!

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plain fiber
copper crane
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maybe! should i just rewrite it as 3b-20 = 3/0 then?

plain fiber
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You can't divide both sides by 0

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And even if you did wouldn't that be a -3/0

copper crane
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idk im tired lol but thats what im saying its not possible

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studying math for 12+ hours makes you create ur own rules hehe

plain fiber
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I see
Though you're not allowed to use a step that's not allowed to show the equality doesn't hold
Your original justification is fine, it's just "a fraction can only evaluate to 0 if the numerator is 0" isn't good enough since that's not true if the denominator is 0
So just explain that if the denominator is 0 then the equality doesn't hold because the right hand side is undefined
And then you can say when the denominator isn't 0, if the numerator isn't equal to 0 then the fraction still won't evaluate to p

plain fiber
# plain fiber You can't divide both sides by 0

Consider 4x=0
Divide both sides by x
4=0/x
that gives us one case where x could be 0 and one case where jt isn't
So if x is not equal to 0
Then 4=0, so the equality doesn't hold
If x is equal to 0, then 4=0/0 so the equality doesn't hold either

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But x=0 is the solution

copper crane
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i see so i just need to add when the denominator is 0 its undefined and if the denominator isnt 0 then the fraction still doesnt work

plain fiber
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For the second half

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But I think then it should make sense

copper crane
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my teacher is very strict so i think ill write all that xD

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but thank you, you made my life a whole lot easier

loud cobalt
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if b is infinity

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It will also right

sharp sorrel
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The natural thing to consider is that, since this is a fraction, we want to remove that division as fast as possible - consider multiplying both sides by the denominator of the fraction to get $0(3b-20) = 3$

maiden finchBOT
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Waes (Wires)

sharp sorrel
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It should then be pretty clear why this has no solution

loud cobalt
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i know that you are right

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but if b is infinity

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-3/3b-20 will approaching to 0

sharp sorrel
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It's a common misconception to have something equal infinity

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What we really mean is to talk about what happens when something approaches/tends to infinity

sharp sorrel
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We're looking for strict equalities, not mere tendencies

plain fiber
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b can only be a real number

loud cobalt
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ok

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thanks

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copper crane
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yeah. now i wrote: that if the denominator is 0 then the equality doesn't hold because the right hand side is undefined and when the denominator isnt 0, if the numerator isnt equal to 0 then the fraction still wont evaluate to p. Then i also multiplied both sides to get 0(3b-20) = 3 which then obviously tells that anything multiplied with 0 cant be 3. If he doesnt accept this answer i dont know what lol

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-3*

sharp sorrel
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The denominator being 0 isn't practical - there's no logic to test why that should be 0