#How do I continue here ?

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merry sequoia
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B→ 21. A rectangular sports field with an area of 810 m² needs to be fenced on the north and south sides with a wooden fence, and on the east and west sides with a wire mesh (see diagram). Installing one running meter of wooden fence costs 50 EUR, and wire mesh - 20 EUR. What should be the dimensions of this sports field so that the installation of the wooden fence and wire mesh costs the least?

What I understand is that x * by y should be 810
Price would be 100x + 40y

honest bluffBOT
merry sequoia
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Idk how to continue though

trail forge
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its a common optimization problem. the thing is, you have 2 variables: x and y

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but you want to have only one variable

merry sequoia
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we could get for example y = 810/x

trail forge
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aaaaah

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see

merry sequoia
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But

trail forge
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and what now?

merry sequoia
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I did that and ended up stuck

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100x + 40(810/x)

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then idk, 100x + 32400/x

trail forge
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alright, what does this describe?

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this term 100x + 32400/x

merry sequoia
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amm how to get Y

trail forge
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no. if you plug in some x, what does the term tell you?

merry sequoia
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idk 😭

trail forge
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whats x again?

merry sequoia
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one side

trail forge
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ah alright

merry sequoia
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well technically 2 sides

trail forge
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no. x is just one side, thats true

merry sequoia
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side is wire mesh/ top is wooden fence

trail forge
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now think about this: if we plug in x=10 for 100x + 32400/x, then what do we get?

merry sequoia
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1324

trail forge
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what does this number mean?

merry sequoia
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not sure

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lost

trail forge
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well what do you think/guess?

merry sequoia
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money maybe

trail forge
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exactly

merry sequoia
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for side

trail forge
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the price for the whole fencing

merry sequoia
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ah

trail forge
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so if x=10, then it costs 1324, if we plug in x=15, we get something different and so on...

merry sequoia
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Yep

trail forge
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we an say that this a function. we can plug in whole lot of different x and the term will tell us how much it costs

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so lets write it as a function f(x) = 100x + 32400/x

merry sequoia
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Ok

trail forge
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what do we want to know in the end?

merry sequoia
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field dimensions that make it as cheap as possible

trail forge
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ok perfect. and what does as cheap as possible in terms of this function mean?

merry sequoia
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amm

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so the field stays 810 square meters

trail forge
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thats automatically in the function because of the 810/x*40

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what do we want to know from the funtion?

merry sequoia
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dimensions ?

trail forge
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sorry for being so suspenseful

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what does as cheap as possible mean if we look at the function?

merry sequoia
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It's ok I just don't get it + math english isn't something I know

merry sequoia
trail forge
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least yes

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other word

merry sequoia
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minimum

trail forge
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YES

merry sequoia
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then derivative

trail forge
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you want to know where the minimum of the function is

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you want to know which x to plug in, such that the function spits out the smallest possible value

merry sequoia
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so (100x^2 + 32400) / x

trail forge
merry sequoia
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And (100x^2 + 32400) / x = 0

trail forge
merry sequoia
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oof

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oh

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ik

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100 - 32400/x^2

trail forge
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thats correct, but use correct notation

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f'(x)=100-32400/x^2
0=...

merry sequoia
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oh ok

trail forge
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thats the derivative, yes

merry sequoia
trail forge
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what now?

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yes, good

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so whats x now?

merry sequoia
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now ammmm

trail forge
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i'll give you some time

merry sequoia
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and

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So x = 18

trail forge
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yes, since there are no negative lengths in reallife, you can ignore the -18

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so are you done now?

merry sequoia
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Well we need the other one

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Other side*

trail forge
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how do we find that

merry sequoia
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wire mesh

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amm wait a sec

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oh

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so we got x

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and since y = 810/x

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y = 45

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Done :DDD

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Thank you very much

trail forge
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yes exactly. you use the equation you began with: xy=810

trail forge
merry sequoia
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Actually understand something now

trail forge
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thats why im asking so many questions

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i want you to think about it yourself

merry sequoia
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Yeah, used to this, was the same with coding

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Best way to teach someone

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So i'm very thankful

trail forge
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and that makes me happy

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have a great day/evening

merry sequoia
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You 2

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❤️

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