#series convergence

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raven thornBOT
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Use the hint to rewrite the series so that the terms are of the form -sin(pi(2-√6)^k). Then use the fact that sin(x) ≤ x when x ≥ 0 to see that the negative of that series is majorized by a converging geometric series

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Also note that sin(pi(2-√6)^k) will be non-negative for non-negative k

sharp hearthBOT
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final galleon
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You have -sin(pi(2-√6)^k) ≥ -pi(2-√6)^k because sign changes when you negate

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Yes, because for example the series 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + ... always has larger terms than -1 - 1 - 1 - ... but the latter doesn't converge.

final galleon
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Ah right. I did make an error. I somehow thought 2 > √6 lol

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Let's see how we can fix the argument

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Okay well sum of two consecutive terms is positive. So we get a positive term series with the same value if we group terms in pairs

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And now the argument works again

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1/n approaches 1/n^2 as n gets larger, but sum 1/n diverges while with 1/n^2 it converges so I don't think argument like that works

final galleon
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The sum of two consecutive terms is positive because sin(x) is an increasing function when 0 ≤ x ≤ pi/2

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Actually there is still a problem. Because the sign changes also in the geometric series

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What we can do though is replace terms by their absolute values and show that the series converges absolutely

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Which implies that the series converges

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This lets us get rid of these sign problems

final galleon
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But we don't need to do it now anyway

sharp hearthBOT
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final galleon
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Yeah

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No problem

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Yes

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It is not enough that terms of a series approach terms of a converging series to show convergence

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Eventually 1/n approach 1/n^2 i.e. 1/n-1/n^2 approaches 0 so using this argument 1/n converging is equivalent to 1/n^2 converging.

Just because difference of terms of two series converges to zero doesn't mean their convergence is tied together. One can diverge and other can converge

final galleon
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Okay so by approaching they mean that f(n) is O(g(n)) which means that eventually f(k) ≤ Mg(k) for some constant M. Convergence of sum of g does now indeed imply the convergence of sum of f by the majorization argument we used. So with this definition of approaching the argument is correct and is pretty much equivalent to what we did here

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Actually not so sure how you incorporate the sin into that. sin(pi(a+b)) = 0 so sin(pi a) isn't O(sin(pi(a+b)))

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Yes. How I interprered approaching is that the limit of the difference is zero which is one way to define it