#YEAR 4 TEACHING - HELP

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raven zenith
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  1. How do I teach a year 3/4 kid Direct proportion? This is the type of question
    ** If 6 is to 4, then 15 is to what? **
  2. Which of the following is not in direct proportion with the other 3?
    A. 45 B.50 C.9 D.10
    3. A car travels at 52km/hr, how far will it travel in 45 mins? (I need help trying to explain the method)
    52km = 60mins [Find how many km in 1 minute -> 52/60 (Distance = Speed/time)
    0.8km = 1min
    ______= 45mins
    Using the Speed = Distance X Time;
    Speed = 0.8 X 45
    = 360
    BUT How do I get rid of the 0 at the end of 36 is the answer?

    4. 4 scarves cost the same as 7 pairs of gloves. How many scarves can 35 pairs of gloves buy?****(I need help trying to explain the method and WHY I am multiplying 5 on both sides) LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SOLVE THIS PLEASE!!
    X 5 4s = 7g X5
    20s = 35g
    Therefore, 20 scarves.

    6.** The area of 2 squares form a ratio of 3;8. If the smaller square has a side length of 6, what is the area of the larger square? **
dawn lanternBOT
cinder flare
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0.8 * 45 = 36, not 360

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Generally, for 3), you could just say it'll be 52 * 3/4

raven zenith
cinder flare
raven zenith
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Nah nah. I took the decimal out by multiplying 10 on both sides, meaning that 45 would be 450

cinder flare
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Speed = 0.8 * 45

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If you multiply by 10 on both sides, you get

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10Speed = 8 * 45

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10Speed = 360

raven zenith
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Whoops. That makes sense

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How do I actually multiply that together?

cinder flare
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8 * 45?

raven zenith
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Yeah

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NO

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0.8 X 45

cinder flare
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One way is to say 0.8 = 4/5

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Now $0.8 \cdot 45 = \frac45 \cdot 45 = \frac{4}{\cancel 5} \cdot \cancel5 \cdot 9 = 4 \cdot 9 = 36$

raven zenith
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What does that mean

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4/5 x 45

cinder flare
cinder flare
raven zenith
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Is 0.8 equal to 4/5?

cinder flare
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Yes

cinder flare
coarse trenchBOT
raven zenith
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Hahaha IM STUPIDD

cinder flare
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Another way would be to directly multiply it

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0.8 * 45 = 0.8 * (40 + 5) = 0.8 * 40 + 0.8 * 5

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0.8 * 40 = 8 * 4 = 32

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Now 0.8 * 5 = (8 * 5)/10 = 4

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So 32 + 4 = 36

raven zenith
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I don't think the year 4 will understnad that

cinder flare
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ok

raven zenith
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BUT I will try the fraction method

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Thank you!!

cinder flare
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Since 45 minutes is 3/4 of an hour

raven zenith
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Yeah I was thinking of that

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Wait where did 52 come from?

cinder flare
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Given in the problem

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A car travels at 52 km/h

raven zenith
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Ahhh

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Makes sense

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YEAHHH

cinder flare
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WHY I am multiplying 5 on both sides

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"We want to get 35g on the right side, because the question asks how many scarves we can buy with 35 gloves. So what do we do to get 35g instead of 7g on the right side (maybe let the people think for a second) -> We multiply both sides by 5!"

raven zenith
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Hmmm

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These questions are for one kid. So he's abit behind

cinder flare
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Maybe for 4) it would be more visual to some kids if you say "Ok, I have 7 gloves, I get 4 scarves. Now let's say I have 14 gloves. How many scarves do I get? 8, because I can do this twice. Now I have 21. Then I get 12, ..."

raven zenith
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Ahh yeahh

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Because for some questions, I was able to ask them what is 1 of something and they would get it. I couldn't do it with this question though

raven zenith
cinder flare
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Well you can ask "what of a fraction is one glove of a scarve?" and then you get 1g = 4/7s, but not sure how visual that is..

cinder flare
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Saying "now we can do this 5 times"

raven zenith
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Ahh okok

cinder flare
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So here, maybe make an example, like if the smaller square has area 3, then the larger square will have area 8. If the smaller square has area 6, then the larger square will have area 16 and so on

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So we have a way of telling what the area of the large square is if we have the area of the small square

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The small square has side lengths 6, so its area is 6 * 6 = 36

cinder flare
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So the area of the larger square is 96.

raven zenith
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@cinder flare Thank you

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Woudl you be able to help me find an alternative to explaining these types of questions ?

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The total cost of 5 cauliflower and 2 rock melons is $22.50. A rock melon costs twice as much as a cauliflower. Find the cost of the cauliflower.

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This is what I've taught to my class but the other question had 3 equations set up for the solutoin

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I wonder if I'm a bad teacher or they aren't smart enough to understand yet...

wooden minnow
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Primary school kids in my area learn a model method

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Basically you draw the units out

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So 5 cauliflowers and two Rock melons

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And then they also include the fact one rock melon is two cauliflower units

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Then they can see 22.50 is the price of 9 cauliflowers

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And just do 22.50/9

raven zenith
raven zenith
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That is really cool. Thank you for sharing this to me

dawn lanternBOT
wintry trellis
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