#Using strange methods to prove x^2+10x-3 is irreducible over rational numbers

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mystic finch
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After many hours on trying to prove x^2+10x-3 is irreducible over Q without using common methods, I've found that if x^2+10x-3 is reducible over Q, then
3(2k+1)^2-(2p+1)^2 must be a multiple of 10 and [3(2k+1)^2]/[2p+1] must be an integer. (2k+1) and (2p+1) must be co prime

Prove there is no k,p∈Z that satisfies all conditions

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elfin locust
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Can you show your work? I'm interested.

Here is another way to show irreducibility.

Let f(x)=x^2+10x-3.
Then f(x) is irreducible if and only if g(x)=f(x+12) is irreducible.
Moreover, g(10)=f(22)=701 is a prime and the degree of g is less than or equal to 31.
Therefore g(x) and thus f(x) is irreducible.

mystic finch
mystic finch
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@sullen fable

limpid ridge
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There are finitely many divisors of 3, so you should be able to just case bash it

mystic finch
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thats not true

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[3(2k+1)^2]/[2p+1]∈Z has solutions even if 2p+1 doesn't divide 3

limpid ridge
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If a divides bc and a is coprime with c then a divides b

mystic finch
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yeah that might be right

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so the solution must have p=1?

limpid ridge
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No

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2p+1 must be one of -3, -1, 1 and 3

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But that's only four cases

mystic finch
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2(-3)+1=-5?

limpid ridge
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2p+1 not p

mystic finch
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3=/=-5x

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ah

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ah

limpid ridge
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The possible values for p are -2, -1, 0 and 1

mystic finch
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If 2p+1 and 2k+1 are coprime then 2p+1 can't be 1 or -1 right?