#integral problem

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hearty narwhal
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Can somoene help me to solve pls

austere tundraBOT
knotty junco
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$\frac{1}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+1}} = \frac{\sqrt{x^2 + 1}}{x^2} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 + 1}}$

forest cobaltBOT
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Daddy_314

knotty junco
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You can then integrate by parts the second term

modern crown
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how does one notice that besides "by inspection"

knotty junco
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You don't have to

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If you did not notice that, no problem

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One thing that works with sums of squares under roots is hyperbolic trigonometry substitution

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$sinh(u) = x$ \
$du cosh(u) = dx$ \
$x^2+1 = sinh^2(u)+1 = cosh^2(u)$ \

$$\int \frac{cosh(u)}{cosh(u)sinh^2(u)}du = -coth(u)
= -coth(sinh^{-1}(x))$$

And this has a very simple expression

forest cobaltBOT
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Daddy_314

knotty junco
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Start by finding partial fraction decomposition of 1/(x^2(x^2+1)) using the very standard methods, then multiply everything by sqrt(x^2+1)

modern crown
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oh icic

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i'm more used to the simpler more straightforward partial fractions lmao

knotty junco
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Life is hard unfortunately

modern crown
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ye

hearty narwhal
knotty junco
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Which part

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The decomposition as a sum ?

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Or the integration by parts ?

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The tricky part is the integration by parts

knotty junco
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If you are familiar with changes of variables

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And if you know the hyperbolic cosine and sine functions

hearty narwhal
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The décomposition as a sum pls

knotty junco
hearty narwhal
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wow thank you

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you saved me bro

knotty junco
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But we didnt do anything yet

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We didnt do integration by parts

hearty narwhal
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Haha i know but i did it alone.

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And i just want to know if my answer is correct

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Because i get this

knotty junco
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What is this insect on the right

knotty junco
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There is a minus sign somewhere

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That you missed

hearty narwhal
hearty narwhal
knotty junco
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Gives the same result

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Because
$-coth(sinh^{-1}(x)) = -\frac{\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x^2}$

forest cobaltBOT
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Daddy_314

knotty junco
fierce kayak
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easy way of doing this would be taking x^2 common inside the square root and then taking it outside the square root, so u get 1/x^3 * sqrt(1 + x^-2) now just take the x^3 in the numerator so u get x^-3 / sqrt(1+x^-2) now put 1+x^-2 = t and the numerator is already a ready-made derivative, no need to use IBP

slow cape
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guys there is an easier way to do this lol

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factor x^2 from the root

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you'll get x^-3/ sqrt(1 +x^-2)

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then use u = 1 +x^-2

slow cape
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this is awkward now 💀