#Trig Identities

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cunning mulchBOT
granite stone
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For example:

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$\frac{\sec t}{\cos t}-\frac{\tan t}{\cot t}=1$

leaden thunderBOT
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bondalton

granite stone
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is equivalent to the following

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[
\frac{\sec t\cot t-\cos t\tan t}{\cos t\cot t}=1
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leaden thunderBOT
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bondalton

granite stone
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Which is equivalent to

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[\sec t\cot t-\cos t\tan t=\cos t\cot t]

leaden thunderBOT
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bondalton

granite stone
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Now, we know that $\sec t=1/\cos t$ and $\tan t=\sin t/\cos t$, so that we can rewrite the latter as follows

leaden thunderBOT
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bondalton

granite stone
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[\frac{1}{\cos t}\frac{\cos t}{\sin t}-\cos t\frac{\sin t}{\cos t}=\cos t\frac{\cos t}{\sin t}]

slow owl
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always write trig functions in terms of sine and cosine when trying to derive/prove identities

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the main identity you will need other than that is sin^2 + cos^2 = 1

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at least for more basic identities

leaden thunderBOT
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bondalton

ivory blade
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idk how to explain it

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like okay so like

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like i have all the identites

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my math teacher wants us to use them to figure out how to prove these identities

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but everything that bondalton just did made it all more confusing

slow owl
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all I mean is that whenever you see tan, cot, sec, or csc you should rewrite them like this

ivory blade
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thats what im doing

slow owl
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I'll walk you through one of the exercises using that method if that's cool with you

ivory blade
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thats how were told to do it

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reciprical identities

slow owl
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we'll do this one step by step

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and you can ask any questions that are points of confusion

ivory blade
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okay so Sec is 1/cos

slow owl
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yes

ivory blade
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and cos is just.. cos/1

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okay but wait im dividing fractions so dont i swap it

slow owl
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this is what you have so far

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how would you evaluate that

ivory blade
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okay thats what i thought

slow owl
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it's correct just so you know

ivory blade
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okay so then

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Sin/Cos

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/cos/sin

slow owl
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yes

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do you know how to simplify them further or would you like some review on fraction division

ivory blade
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idk my teacher says for fractions to take what your dividing, switch the values then multiply them

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but i dont know because it looks different than the other stuff

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like i over think everything because of how it looks even though it probably has the same rules of algebra and crap

slow owl
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the way they're usually done is "keep change flip"

so for the numerator (top of the fraction) you "keep" it the same
for the division symbol you "change" it to a multiplication symbol
and for the denominator (bottom of the fraction) you "flip" it into its reciprocal form

ivory blade
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so pretty much what i just said :/

slow owl
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yeah

ivory blade
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so 1/cos x 1/cos

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which is just 1/cos

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or did i just butcher it

slow owl
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IMO this is the better way to approach fraction division, since division is a multiplicative process

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its 1/cos^2

ivory blade
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why

slow owl
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when you do fraction multiplication you multiply across

ivory blade
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yeah

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i know

slow owl
ivory blade
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okay well i thought it stayed the same because its on the bottom.

slow owl
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nah it gets squared

ivory blade
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okay

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my bad

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im stupid

slow owl
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nah you're all good, it's part of the learning process.

ivory blade
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i should know how to do this im in grade 11 math and Ive already done this with TONS of other shit

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but just because it looks different i screw it all up

bright canyon
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Which number are you on now?

slow owl
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for the next term we get it into this form

ivory blade
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okay im not done wait/

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let me do it

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okay. im here/

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is it 1/cos2 - sin2/cos2

slow owl
ivory blade
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okay

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idk what to do

bright canyon
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Combine it to one fraction

ivory blade
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i dont know how its different than before

slow owl
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The denominators are the same so you can rewrite it like this

(1 - sin2)/cos2

ivory blade
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oh right

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see there we go simple algebra that i screwed up because my brain cant work when its with diffierent like things

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wow an because 1 - sin2 is there its cos2 meaning its 1

slow owl
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Correct

bright canyon
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There’s another way you can prove it also

slow owl
bright canyon
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Divide the basic identify by cos^2(x)

ivory blade
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i think ill stick to what i did before

bright canyon
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Ik Im just saying

ivory blade
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okay so 6

slow owl
ivory blade
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(1/cos2 + sin2/cos2)(1/cos2 - sin2/cos2)

bright canyon
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So what can you multiply the entire thing by

slow owl
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I was actually about to bring up difference of 2 squares

bright canyon
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To simplify it

ivory blade
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where i like

slow owl
ivory blade
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oh

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wow

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wait

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oh now i just add fractions

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(sin2/cos2)(1 - sin2/cos2)

slow owl
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close, the first term should be((1 + sin2)/cos2)

ivory blade
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wait

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\

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wait

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wait

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i thought i was multiplying them so i got rid of the 1

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omg

slow owl
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all good

ivory blade
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okay now lets look for identities

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1 - sin2

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cos2

slow owl
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yes

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so (1 - sin2/cos2) is just cos2/cos2

ivory blade
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yes

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which is 1

slow owl
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yes

ivory blade
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what about the first fractionw we have

slow owl
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rewrite the right hand side in the same way you did to the left hand side

ivory blade
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what

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what do you mean

slow owl
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rewrite this part

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or alternatively try converting this back into tan and sec

ivory blade
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sin2/cos2 + 1/cos2

slow owl
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yes

ivory blade
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uh

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why did i do thus

slow owl
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because now we have
((1 + sin2)/cos2)(1) = sin2/cos2 + 1/cos2

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they're the same thing already

ivory blade
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how

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1 isnt equal to 1/cos2

bright canyon
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After this question, you should see if he can figure it out on his own

slow owl
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combine sin2/cos2 + 1/cos2 into one fraction

ivory blade
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wait

slow owl
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((1 + sin2)/cos2)(1) <-- this (1) is just to show that we found that one term was equal to 1.

ivory blade
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1 + sin2y/cos2y

slow owl
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yes

ivory blade
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but

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nbm

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omg

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okay ima do 7

slow owl
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this is what we have right now

slow owl
ivory blade
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i wll let you know

slow owl
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I'm gonna go finish cooking my food, I'll come back and see what you did

ivory blade
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oh shit theres a 2 now

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its different

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i dont know what to do with the 2

bright canyon
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Wdym

ivory blade
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the 2

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beside the tangent

bright canyon
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Factor the left first

slow owl
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^ start with the left side and it should become apparent

ivory blade
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yeah how do i know the side to start with

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(1/1 - Tan/1)(1/1 + Tan/1)

bright canyon
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It depends

ivory blade
slow owl
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I think these exercises are specifically designed so that you should focus on rewriting the left side

ivory blade
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no no no

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our teacher said

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to do the side that looks the hardest

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thats it

bright canyon
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Lol

ivory blade
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i dont find it funny

bright canyon
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You should be able to do half of these in your head

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If not more

ivory blade
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yeah well sorry im not as great at math as you are

bright canyon
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This is a mix of critical thinking and memorization

slow owl
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mmmm, yeah. I mean in theory you can always do it from either side. but usually one side is much easier to engineer into the other. so "more complicated" is sort of a general rule, though it becomes subjective like with number 7. because I agree that both sides are complicated.

ivory blade
slow owl
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you definitely CAN rewrite both sides though

bright canyon
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If you want to do right first rewrite sec^2 theta

slow owl
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I'd definitely start with foiling out (1 - tan)^2 first

ivory blade
slow owl
ivory blade
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why

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\

slow owl
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difference of squares is for when you have something like this

bright canyon
slow owl
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this is what we're dealing with

bright canyon
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The speed that you send those is kinda insane

slow owl
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lol 2 monitors

ivory blade
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I dont fucking know

bright canyon
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Think of it like this what do you get when you square the equation a+b=x

ivory blade
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i dont know

slow owl
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what does this expand out to?

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using FOIL if you're familiar

ivory blade
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yeah i know what FOIL is

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dude im over thinking everything you guys put at me

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this isnt helping

slow owl
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I just replaced tan with x, since they work the same algebraically and I thought maybe using the familiarity of x might help.

bright canyon
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Now I understand my calc teacher’s disappointment looking at the class

ivory blade
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wow thanks

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really appreciate it

bright canyon
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You’re welcome

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foil the problem what do you get

slow owl
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using this as a template

ivory blade
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Thats what i FUCKING HASD

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HAD

slow owl
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try this

bright canyon
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Lmao

ivory blade
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dude

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I had that before

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oh i had a + instead

slow owl
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yeah

ivory blade
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look i dont want to do this with Loukes in here