#Trig Function reduction

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velvet cradle
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How do you reduce this function: y′=2sin(x)[cos(cos(x))sin(cos(x))−cos(cos(x))sin(cos(x))]

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dire anchor
velvet cradle
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Wouldn't that be equalivent to for example 2sin(x)a-a? And doesn't follow PEMDAS right?

dire anchor
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no

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2sin(x)[a-a] is the equivalent

velvet cradle
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So substituting some random variables 2x*5-5?

velvet cradle
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If so, can you let me know which one.

dire anchor
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distributive property

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a(b+c) = ab + ac

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2sin(x)[a-a] = 2sin(x)[0] = 0

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2sin(x)[a-a] = 2sin(x)a - 2sin(x)a = 0

velvet cradle
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Okay. Let me try to rework this problem real quick

dire anchor
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I don't understand your problem anyway

velvet cradle
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The original question was find y': y=cos^2cos(x)+sin^2(cosx)

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

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arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

dire anchor
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So actuall you have y = 1 and the derivative of a constant is always 0

velvet cradle
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Yes, I'm familiar with that identify. But I wanted more practice with the chain rule using prime notation

dire anchor
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Oh that's fine

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

dire anchor
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Yeah I think you did very well

velvet cradle
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I had help with the answer I got, actually. Can you help walk me thru the problem?

dire anchor
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which problem

velvet cradle
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The problem we just solved

dire anchor
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well it's essentially chain rul

velvet cradle
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Can I walk thru the steps?

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

dire anchor
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Same with 1 more funciton

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Keep in mind you always keep the argument

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And chain rule works like, first you differentiate the outer function, then you differentiate the inner ones

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

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adonhs

dire anchor
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corrected something now 😄

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Can you see the structure?

velvet cradle
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So the first expansion is $$\frac{d}{dx}(cos(cosx))^2$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

velvet cradle
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Then $$2(cos(cosx)\frac{d}{dx}(cos(cosx))\frac{d}{dx}(cosx)$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

dire anchor
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whoa yes

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or not quite yet

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$$2(cos(cosx)\frac{d}{dx}(cos(cosx))$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

dire anchor
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This only

arctic yarrowBOT
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adonhs

dire anchor
dire anchor
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One chain rule has basically 2 derivatives

velvet cradle
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Okay. and the we get $$2sinx(cos(cosx)sin(cosx)$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

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adonhs

dire anchor
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You can basically imagine that the differential operator d/dx is moving in to the next inner function kinda

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after getting down with the previous derivative

velvet cradle
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So d/dx for $$y=cos^2(cos(x))=2(cos(cosx)-sin(cosx)-sinx$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

dire anchor
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i can't follow

velvet cradle
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d/dxcos(x) = -sin x correct?

dire anchor
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yes

velvet cradle
dire anchor
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yea

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what is the question/confusion

velvet cradle
dire anchor
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I am sorry but the way you wrote it confuses me

dire anchor
velvet cradle
arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

dire anchor
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Yeah also

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I just did the cosine part

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it's about the principle

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also it would be double the work to write the whole shit🫠

velvet cradle
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$$-2sin(cosx)(cos(cosx)sinx$$

arctic yarrowBOT
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jboi72

velvet cradle
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This is the second answer correct?

dire anchor
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apart from the missin bracket it's correct

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you got it

velvet cradle
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so place -2sinx in front and then factor it out?

dire anchor
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yea factor out 2sin(x)

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the minus is not a common factor tho

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but if you still factor it out you need to make up for it

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like

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2ax - 2ay = 2a(x-y)

your way:

2ax - 2ay = -2a(-x+y) = -2a(y-x)

velvet cradle
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Okay. Yeah, so I did it right. Initially, just didn't factor out.

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Anything you want to add, if not I'll close this post.

dire anchor
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nah man haha

velvet cradle
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okay. thanks.

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