#hi how do you find the equation of l1?

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frigid brook
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tall beacon
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It's ez if you've done a-c

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Oh wait actually slightly less ez than I thought

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Anyways slope of l1 is negative reciprocal of line l2 cus perpendicular

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So for example if slope of l2 is 3 then slope of l1 is -1/3

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Now hmm we need to find the coordinates of P or B or any point in the line

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But P isn't too bad

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You know the coordinates of A and the coordinates of Q

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So you can do a 90 degree rotation counterclockwise centered around A to get the coordinates for P

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Since they're both on the circle centered around a

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Now my dumb butt doesn't remember how to do that buuuuuuut

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My smart butt knows how to derive it

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so we first treat the coordinates of point A as a complex number w = a + bi and point Q as v = c +di

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We need to shift A to be the origin, so we calculate (v - w) to be Q shifted to A being as the origin

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then to rotate 90 degrees counterclockwise we multiply (v - w) by e^(i*pi/2)

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Finally we need to translate the point back to O being the origin so we add w back in

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And point P will be at the point represented by (v-w)e^(i pi/2)+ w

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Hopefully you know about complex numbers cus if not

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Uhh I'll have to get a piece of paper to do those calculations myself and tell you what a 90 degree counterclockwise rotation is lmao

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Which I don't wanna do

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So yeah now you have point P and the slope so just write the equation of the line like you always do when you have a point on the line and its slope

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Actually hold on I'll you tell you where to start - if you rotate (x, y) by 90 degrees counterclockwise about the origin then the endpoint is (-y, x)

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I can do that much in my head

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OK actually I can do all of it in my head

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A = (a, b)

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Q = (c, d)

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QA= <c-a, d-b>

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90 degree rotation counterclockwise vector is <-(d-b), c - a>

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Point P is at (b-d+a, c-a+b)

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@frigid brook i believe in u u can do the rest on ur own

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I'm assuming you did a-C correctly 🙃

frigid brook
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eh I did those calculations for u

frigid brook
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is there another way to get point P

tall beacon
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hm

frigid brook
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idk we haven’t learnt that yet tho

tall beacon
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well you know P has to be on the circle and on line l1 hmmCat

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And we have the equation for the circle

frigid brook
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what i tried is y=1/3x+c

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and subbed it into the equation of a circle

tall beacon
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So from the circle equation you can solve for the x coordinate of P in terms of the Y coordinate or vice versa but I'm not sure how to solve for a numerical value of the coordinate given that you don't know the other line's equation. Even if we knew that we're only tryna find point P to find the line equation to begin with

frigid brook
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yeah im just as confuse d

tall beacon
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u sure u don't at least know about rotation and such?

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Cus we don't need complex numbers

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That's just how I re-derive it

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Oh wait hm

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OK I got it now @frigid brook

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we should find pou t B instead of P

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The intersection of l1 and l2

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Let B = (x1, y1)

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From the equation for l2 we've already derived we have y1 = mx1 + b (I dunno what m and b are but you found those earlier)

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From the circle we can solve for y1 in terms of x1 in 2 different ways

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That'll give us two solutions, pick the one with larger y1 value based in the graph I'm guessing

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And then plug it back into the l2 equation and solve for x1

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Then l1 will be y = -1/m(x-x1)+y1

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Ahhh wait hold on

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I'm dumb B isn't on the circle

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But we can find point B another way I guess

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If we make the line from A to B

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But finding the slope of that would also require trig or at least rotations which I'm guessing you don't know about yet either

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OK I have it for real this time

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Let A =(a, b) (again you have the exact coordinates

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P = (x1, y1) is our unknown this time

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make the line l4 going through A given by y =m(x - a) +b, where m is the slope of line l2

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Then this will intersect in two places with the circle

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The solution with the larger y1 value will be it

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yeah that should work