#Will the center octogon ever repeat if the pattern continues?

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knotty magnetBOT
glad bay
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I don't think it will ever repeat because the diagonal is sqrt(2) as large as the side length of the square, and sqrt(2) is irrational

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so that exact center pattern will never repeat again

green garden
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no giving away the answer @glad bay KEK

glad bay
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I don't think there's a specific word

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Do you know how to code at all? I think this type of pattern would be relatively easy to generate if you do

green garden
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I would consider this problem “analytic” geometry, which you may or may not have learned in geometry class yet

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well it’s not repeating KEK

glad bay
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yeah I wouldn't consider this a "fractal"

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this is more like a "tiling"

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which is when you cover the plane with similar looking objects

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in your case you have two different tilings, one on top of the other

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haha it's not very unsolvable considering we just solved it

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when they connect, the lines wouldn't line up

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I'm pretty sure I understand your problem perfectly? The answer is just no, it will never repeat

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45° from each other

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It doesn't either, yeah

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It will never repeat no matter how you move the two grids across each other

glad bay
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The two squares at the origin share a center

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And are at an angle of 45° to each other

green garden
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to code this up, you would need to ascribe coordinates for everything

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so for example, the central octagon is at the origin (0,0)

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then you have a square at every point (m,n) for integers m,n

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can you guess where the diagonal squares will be located?

dawn basin
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Yes this describes the problem correctly and the answer is a fairly straightforward no

cunning canopy
glad bay
ripe quail
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probably won't, otherwise √2 times some integer would have an integer result, which is possibly impossible due to some math theorem other than the case shown in the picture where that integer is 0

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√2 is the length of the diagonal of that square if assuming the sides are 1

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but it doesn't matter if you assume it different, it would still boil down to this problem

dawn basin
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The most straightforward way to represent this mathematically is by simply giving the center points of the horizontal squares integer coordinates

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You can then find the center points of the diagonal squares from this

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I also don't see anything of cryptographic interest here

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The general basis of cryptography is using functions that are easy to calculate in one direction but are phenomenally difficult to invert

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For example, it is easy to multiply numbers but extremely difficult to find prime factorisation

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In this case the coordinates of each of the two grids are simply linear subspaces of the plane

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Linear problems are just about the easiest imaginable problems