#For which values k>0 does the following equation not have a solution?

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narrow flame
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limpid oracle
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Which number systems is this using?

limpid oracle
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ok

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well

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if ur assuming all reals then its 0

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idk if there are any other wierd solutions

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but yeah 0 is a pretty on the nose one

cedar tartan
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The condition is k>0

limpid oracle
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Oh

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wait

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its reals

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nvm

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yeah

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above 0 ignore me lol

limpid oracle
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it hass soltuions for k below 0

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This is the general soltuion

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This will work for ALL a except 0

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$x=\frac{5W\left(\frac{k}{15}\right)}{k}$

brave vaultBOT
limpid oracle
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Answer: k cannot equal 0.

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meager path
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narrow flame
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Not solved

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narrow flame
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narrow flame
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Solving for k

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k =

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Ill solve this tommowwr im sleeeepy

narrow flame
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If k(x) =

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Then k’(x) =

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We can find posible extremums in in points where k’(x) = 0

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For k’(x) to equal 0, 5(1-ln(3x)) must be equal to 0

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For 5(1-ln(3x)) to = 0, 1-ln(3x) must = 0

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1 - ln(3x) = 0

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Solving for x

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1 = ln(3x)

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e = 3x

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e/3 = x

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x = e/3 is a root of k’ and a possible extremum for k

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A corollary of Bolzanos theorm of intermediate value allows us to predict if the function is going to increase or decrease if we evaluate the sign of k’(x) for a value from the interval ranging from (0, e/3) and a value from the interval (e/3, +inf)

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0 is our left-most limit because our domain is limited due to the ln

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For (0, e/3) i’ll evaluate k’(1/2)

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k’(1/2) ≈ 11.8 (positive therefore k(x) will increase during the interval (0,e/3))

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For (e/3, +inf) i’ll evaluate k’(2)

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k’(2) ≈ -0.9 (negative therefore k will decrease during the interval (e/3, +inf))

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k(x) has an maximum at x = e/3

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the range of k(x) is a list of possible values of k for which our original equation has a soultion

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Therefore to find the possible values of k>0 for which the equation has a solution we have to limit the range for positive values only

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We can do this by finding the roots of k(x)

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k(x) = 0 when x = 1/3

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Gathering all of the information we can analyze k(x)

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k(x) increases from x = 0 to x = e/3 at which point it has a maximum and then decreases towards +inf

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Once again Bolzanos theorm lets us predict that values of k before x = 1/3 (root of k) are negative and the ones following are positive

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Therefore the range of possible values for k>0 for which our original equation has a solution = (0, e/3]

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We can verify by using geogebra to graph

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k(x) graph

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black x = e/3 (extremum, root of k’)

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Root of k(x)

cinder ether
narrow flame
narrow flame
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They definitly do

cinder ether
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We're looking at which values of k are valid, so we need the range of the graph of k(x)

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k(x) has a maximum at x = e/3, so evaluating k at e/3 should give us its maximum value

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This gives 15/e, so the equation has a solution for all values of k <= 15/e