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Xavier 🌺
Well are you familiar with the factorization of a³ + b³
How do you make a canonical form of a matrix?
What do you have currenrly
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Would help me if you showed what you currently have
,tex $(sinx+cosx)(1−sinxcosx)=1$
Well
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There's obvious answers here without any further simplification
yeha but how do u prove with algebra that this equation leads to sinx=1 and cosx=0
or sinx=0 and cosx=1
check maxima
maximal?
Are you familiar with differentiation
maximum value the function $f(x) = \sin^3(x) + \cos^3(x)$ can obtain
i dont study maths in eng so no
Derivatives?
I see
any way of directly proving it?
yeah im not familiar with that
I'm sure there is, but I'm also very bad at trig
oh okay
So I'm gonna let a more capable helper help you
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,tex $\sin^3(x) + \cos^3(x) = 1$
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@thorny heath find the sols without derivatives
bruh
whole question
k
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hmm..
sin(x) max = cos(x) max =1
you can say one of the terms should be 1,
or put sinx + cosx = t
and solve this in terms of t
define t : $-\sqrt{2}<=t<=\sqrt{2}$
heisenberg
oh wait oh boy
i got a funny one
$\sin^3(x) + \cos^3(x) = 1 = \sin^2(x) + \cos^2(x)$
$\implies \sin^2(x) \cdot (\sin(x) - 1) + \cos^2(x) \cdot (\cos(x) - 1) = 0$
can you see where this is going
$\implies (1 - \cos(x))(1 + \cos(x))(\sin(x) - 1) + (1 - \sin(x))(1 + \sin(x))(\cos(x) - 1) = 0$
bruh, #help-28
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so this is the question
$\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw[->,ultra thick] (-4,0)--(4,0) node[right]{$x$};
\draw[->,ultra thick] (0,-4)--(0,4) node[above]{$y$};
\draw[domain=-1.6:1.6, smooth, samples=200, very thick, <->] plot({\x},{(\x*\x - 1)^3});
\end{tikzpicture}$
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if the question asks when this graph is parallel to the x-axis,
is it 1 or 3?
-# ||or is it just very poorly worded||
Quite this one
I think they meant the tangent?
If it's the tangent then 0 is also included
Anyways there aren't any numbers in the graph here so we don't know where 1 and 3 are 💀
when the tangent to the graph is parallel to the x-axis
implying
when is the gradient = 0
so would those stationary points lying at y=0 count as "parallel to the x-axis"?
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Seems so
so you'd say 3?
Yes
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is it valid to confirm the integral converges first
Not even an equation. Sloppy slop
then say since the function is odd splitting the integral up from -infinity to 0 and from 0 to +infinity both integrals will then be equal and will cancel each other out giving you 0
Yes
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what. do i do. how do i plot (exponential functions)
i had MASSIVE brain fog and was somehow the most bored i have been in my math class today so i think half the info went through my ears
pick x values, get the corresponding y value, and plot the corresponding point
Ex. If $x=1$, then $y=3^1-5=3-5=-2$, so you'd plot the point $(1,-2)$
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no
the table clearly separates all four categories. there's no risk of double counting here
whats with the double counting in the additional rule
wdym? there is no such thing, esp. not with the setup in this pic
there is no such thing in this pic
mb
it's when you count the exact same objects twice
it's not about them fulfilling both conditions in an or
here is what it would look like if you overcounted:
total guilty = 11+72 = 83
total who did it = 72+9 = 81
and then you would add 83+81
but then the ones who are guilty AND did it (72) get counted twice
also, addition rule, no -al
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guys when doing functions table, what happens if i get an ERROR?
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what...
The plot you do depends on what exactly your function looks like
More specifically what exactly was divided by zero
Just show the original question please
fine shawty
fine shawty
Let's think about what happens when x is close to -1
Let's say -0.9 for example
Since you're using a calculator anyway
you can do it manually
type $\frac{2}{(-0.9)+1}$
Hanako(x, y); ∂(fox)/∂x
ugh so i have to delete it..
if the calculator gives you lemons, find ways to work around it
okay then
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that was a joke..
yeah but jokes can make ppl uncomfortable, the important thing is to just avoid doing it in the future
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Hello everyone! I had an exam today and I am not sure if I got a question right and it’s really bugging me that I can’t remember/answer it correctly. If I am not mistaken we were required to find mean squared error MLE theta.hat of theta for the Bernoulli distribution. I wrote theta(1-theta). Was that correct? Thank you so much in advance
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No
could you first find the Likelihood fnction of the bernoulli distribution?
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This ones tamaras
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It was a one hour mute for trolling in someone else's help channel 
I went by logic p(1-p) so it could be the same for theta but some said theta^2 or my answer over n
correct answer is your answer over n
do you understand why?
or are you too tired
which is fair
It was 20 statistics questions in 90 minutes
I am really exhausted but thank you very much
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is it correct
trying to sketch f'(x)?
seems ok
yes
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Can someone help with the second one
Would it converg or diverge ans why
And
Also this is in french sorry
could you translate
Im only intrested in the second serie of the first exercise
It says
Study the nature oc the numerical series :
1/(n+1)^(1+(1/n^2)) Is that correct
Yeah the sum from n= 1 to infinity
Of
1/(n+1)^(1+1/n²)
It seems to be a geometric series
Nah
For me it looks like a reiman thing
Smthn like 1/n^æ
Cuz like
n+1 is the same as n when n approches infinity
So it really depends on weather u call 1+1/n² > 1 or u just say it is equal to 1 when n approches infinity
Im not sure about it
Maybe try replacing the sigma with an integral
Integrate over n to get the value
If it keeps increasing, it will diverge to infinity
or else it will converge on a number
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i need help on part a. isnt a vertical tangent line an undefined slope?
both are given so i js put dx/dt as y1 in my calculator anf dy/dt as y2 in my calculator
and put y3 = y2/y1
Idk what y1 and y2 are supposed to be
No idea what your calculator model is doing
Y3 is my dy/dx
You don't need to graph at all to do a)
Graphing wouldn't give you an exact answer anyway
alright
but what about dy/dx? i have it stored in the calculator as Y3 but how do i set it equal to an undefined value?
finite / 0 = vertical tangent
dy/dx = ?/0 to get a vertical tangent right?
from t=0 to t=1.5 there’s a point where the tangent line of the particle is ?/0
how should i set that up in my calculator?
Use math, not calculator
And use
it’s question two on the ap exam it’s a calculator active question
the first section of the ap frq is always calculator active
Then just use this
What's the denominator equal to?
.
verify the numerator is finite for all 0<t<1.5
it should be equal to zero
and sine of 0 should be 0
at t = 0 and pi, dy/dt is 0
and then dx/dt should equal a finite number, and if we plug t = 0 into it, we should get a real finite number
wait i got it
at t=0, the line tangent to the particle is vertical
we don’t use pi bc 3.14 is not in the 0 to 1.5 interval
oh my days i did dx/dy instead
dx/dt has to equal 0 in between 0 and 1.5
while dy/dt has to be finite
theres two times dx/dt is equal to zero
and where dy/dt is not zero
t = 1.145
and at t = 1.253
that blue line represents dx/dt while the red one is dy/dt
at both points when the blue line is at 0, dy/dt on that same t is a real nonzero value
at these two points dy is a real number while dx is 0, satisfying the conditions that dy/dx needs to be equal to finite/0
,calc log(pi)
Result:
1.1447298858494
,calc sqrt(pi/2)
Result:
1.2533141373155
Both look right
that’s crazy
wait that’s so cool
i take it i got the right answer, so im going to sleep
tyy
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why is this matrix not diagnolizable?
what do you get for the eigenvalues and eigenvectors?
have you calculated its eigenstuff?
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here, we are trying to find out if the conclusions of both I1 and I2 are true or not by making all the premises true and the conclusions false. in I2, we took ~R as true so R would be false, then does ~C not have two possible values (both true and false)? why did we only take one possible value (true), here?
because taking ~C as false would make C true and hence I2 would be valid, right?
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in this example as well, for (b), we took ~C as true so for the first premise (C -> ~E), does E, again, not have two choices?
I2 is invalid because if it didn't rain, thne the inference of whether the match was played or not can't be made
Citing wikipedia
In logic, specifically in deductive reasoning, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.
okay so we kinda always take the case where an argument can be invalid?
It's not about taking a case, it's about that case existing. In an implication, that case shouldn't exist.
To give you a slightly more digestible peice of data which is easier to understand
$$x + 3 = 4 \implies x = 1$$
Look at the implication here, given that the first statement ($x + 3 = 4$) is true the consequence ($x = 1$) can not be false.
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no, i get that. i am just having a hard time with such kind of questions where there's multiple inferences, so drawing a valid conclusion is a little troublesome for me
but well yeah, it makes sense
anyway, thanks again
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how to solve this integral
I have to use U sub
look at the bottom line on your answer
$\int 2^u \cdot \frac{3}{2} du$
how did that become $\int \frac{6^u}{2} du$
can i not do 6^2/2 which would be 3^u?
so i can take 3/2 out of integral but how do i take the integral of 2^u du?
this is correct
$\int{a^x dx} = \frac{a^x}{ln(a)} + C$
a is a constant
how do you get to that or is it just something I just have to know to solve this integral?
differential of $a^x$ is $a^x ln(a)$
you can use some method like logarithmic differentiation to prove this
and you can easily see how differentiating the integral we get here gives us back a^x
but its mostly a common integral
i didnt have differentials yet
but i will chekc this out
so once i use this i just resub back to X?
thank you
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What is the area, in square units, of the region enclosed by y= |x-20| and y=10?
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What have you tried?
I saw the solution to the problem, and it said something about the function having a vertex at (20,0 ) and that it created an isosceles triangle, but i have no idea where they got any of that info from
i know that x=30 or 10 but that's it
abs(x) has a vertex at (0,0)
I think you should try graphing it out.
Or try calculating the intersection point.
translating 20 units to the right gets you to (20,0)
since abs(x -20) means translating abs(x) 20 units to the right
how does the absolute value of x have a vertex at the origin
,w graph |x|
those are two lines
namely, y = -x and y = x
plotted for y >= 0
the two lines intersect at (0,0)
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how do i solve this? i am unable to approach it
have u drawn a diagram?
if the horse travels x km along the circle, what angle has it made to the centre of the circle
yes
pi/4
some guy told me to find the speed of shadow as a function of time
but i dont get how to do that
what is the definition of angles in radians
ok so what next
yep
now, from our diagram, how can we get the distance travelled by the shadow from this
hiow?
pull up the diagram
ye
(hint: trigonometry)
then?
so distance travelled by the shadow = r * tan (x/r)
now take the time derivative of both sides
k
(r is constant and x changes with time
how?
tan x derivative is sec square x right
yeah
so 1/r is constant anyway
tan(x/r) to 1/r(sec square x/r)
and 1/r from before too
sec square x/r whole by r square
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$\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1}{r} \sec^2\left(\frac{x}{r}\right) \frac{dx}{dt}$
dx/dt is left
oh
CherryMan
(chain rule)
so do we know x
thats only when its a linear function
but read the question carefully
we are explicitly given everything
they said the horse covers 1/8 of the circle
so 1/8 * 2pi r
ye
welcome
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Kinda stuck? Don't know where to go from here, my brain just stopped
If you have solved it correctly, why don't you take tan inverse omega and 1/root2ln[t-root2/t+root2] as general formulas?
uh what?
Wait
...
And you can solve integration...
Yeah we take that, 17 years old is not a kid?
😭
you got any simpler solutions man?
okay let me try that
but that's if it's 1+? and here it's 2 ?
so the a^2 is basically (root2)^2
Then you will use another formula
Wait
i don't get this part
okay i am done with this one
not really
okay can you wait a minute and check if i am right?
Ok
I think you are correct
LETS GOO
thank youu i would've never found those
i kept searching and found some stuff called tanh^-1 or smth
Those are basic integrals..
Ok, welcome nvm
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struggling with an rref algorithm, this matrix ends up as an identity matrix, but if I parallel its operations onto an identity matrix I don't get its inverse
I think it's a math issue not a programming bug
bc I wrote this memory, where to get ref I
{go through each row, if nonzero element, choose it as your next pivot row, swap it with the row beneath your previous pivot row, multiply it so the lead is 1, weighted sum it on every row below to make every entry below the pivot 0}```
then to get rref
{find the leading nonzero element, weighted sum this row on every row above so every element above the lead is 0}```
the error I get is that after this is all said and done, A * (my calculated A inverse, where I do parallel rref on A and identity matrix), = not identity matrix
and yes the matrix is invertible
can you print your matrix at every operation to debug
probably, let me check
lambda functions sometimes resist the use of external variables
(colored text bc my prints are extremely long, and I need an easy way to find which one I care about)
I show the output matrices from each operation, the input is the matrix directly above (all operations shown)
when you say nonzero, I hope you check that you dont get numerical inaccuracies somewhere?
(havent checked your code)
say the entry is 1e-12, thats nonzero but certainly should never be your pivot
yup that is in fact what I was just checking
specifically the third row, matrix 1E-40 or whatnot
I do have built in functions to cancel out numbers when summing (a, -a) (I check if the ratio is close enough to -1)
istg
that was it
thank you! I have been tearing my hair out over this.
I was calling a function that does not check when doing a += b if (a ~= -b)
i love when RREF makes me get numbers on the order of 10^45
tbf I saw that exact case in a different matrix and there it was valid 💀
it multiplied by 10^-60 and all was well
I also do get numbers also on the order of 10E45
because sometimes my newton raphson diverges horribly
and I have to calculate e^(10^15)
or, sometimes, more reasonably, just e^150 or so
wow. dafuq is your machine epsilon
amusingly, even with these terrible errors, I can still do euler stepping + newton raphson for simulation purposes so long as I add a dampening factor into NR and limit the maximum change between NR iterations to like norm ≤ 0.1
64 bit IEEE double precision float, only precise to 1 + 1E-15 though iirc
the range of a double precision float is 1E-308 to 1E308 iirc
the precision is 15-17 orders of magnitude
doubles do well with multiplication that doesn't need to be exactly correct
oh nice
so if I multiply the whole row with 1E40, the exponent in the double just gets + 40 (in binary), that's not a problem
oh well thanks again!!
this has been haunting me
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simultaneous elimination method
What have you tried
you want to make one term the same in each equation so it can be eliminated through subtraction
in this case that is already done
Yes
Well on the paper it says x =
Don't know where the 4 went
But notice your system of equations has two unknowns, x and y
You got the x
You need the y still
i got -3y
you got x = 4, right?
plug that in to 7x + 2y = 22
then
28 + 2y = 22
2y = -6
y = -3
if thats what u meant
Ah I see
well i plugged it into equation 1 instead
ye
how do i do this
a cup and a soacer cost $3.15 together. a cup and 2 soacers cost $4.50. Find the cost of a cup and of a soacer
if C represents the cost of a cup and S the cost of a soacer, how would you represent this an an equation?
*two equations
yeah
so now you can solve with elimination
you get
0c + s = $1.35
s = $1.35
c + $1.35 = $3.15
c = $1.80
Just a tip, try not to solve the entire thing for them, but guide them through the steps and explain the reasoning behind them 🙂
While making them actually do the steps or give their approach etc.
i dont get it
you understand elimination, where you subtract one equation from another to cancel out a variable, correct?
you have
c + s = $3.15
c + 2s = $4.50
and you can subtract the first equation from the second to cancel out c
wym by cancel out tho
like when you subtract c + s = 3.15 from c + 2s = 4.50 you get
(c - c) + (2s - s) = (4.50 - 3.15)
s = 1.35
you are "eliminating" c since you subtract c in the first equation from c in the second equation
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where would I plot this?
On the complex plane.
Do you have any formulas which relate the modulus and the argument of a complex number to the x +iy form?
hint: e
other way you could do that is you already know that the magnitude is 4, so it is gonna lie on a circle of radius 4, which should be easy enough to plot
Idk if that's the problem if they're asking how to plot
and from there you figure out the angle and how to place that in the plane
consider searching polar coordinates
That's identical to what I said
No it isn't
same end result does not mean same order of steps
Im not sure
yes I know its in quad 4 but nothing else
I think to use the perspective that z lies on a circle of some radius is implicitly using euler
do you know how to measure the angle? that should get you specific location
5pi/3
Note that without the multiplication between complex numbers, the structure is identical to vectors in R^2. If you've done linear algebra then this is just finding the tail of a vector with this magnitude and angle
for precalculus they just want you to know x = r cos(theta) and y = r sin(theta)
you are overcomplicating it
I don't know what level this guy is at.
Look at the problem then
I didn't come across complex numbers in precalc so i just assumed it was university
Do you think they've done linear algebra?
Uh, yes.
@novel wagon but yes the intuition is thinking about it as in polar coordinates, where the point lies on a circle of radius 4 and at the angle 5pi/3
and to find that coordinate you use trigonomtery to get (r cos(theta), r sin(theta)) = (4cos(5pi/3), 4sin(5pi/3))
why 3?
wdym 3? 4 and 5pi/3 are given
If you have this information (modulus and angle) and still don't know what to do, then it indicates to me that they just don't know the definitions.
OH sorry nevermind I see what you mean
I get -2√3
yeah (2, -2sqrt(3))
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i dont understand Polynomial long division
I have two approaches for you
One fulfills your need, long division
the other requires a bit prerequisite knowledge
Let's begin with the former, do you have a paper and a pen with you?
or a pad
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Done
done
Right, what the value of 2a^2 divided by a?
2a
correct, right it above 2a^2 and the line
Like this?
let's speed up the process, what's 2a times a
Write it below 2a^2
and 2a times 1
write it below -4a
Alright, finish it and share the progress after that
Is that correct
-6a divided by a
-6
Alright so now i am here
Whats the last step
becareful
oh wait
there is a small mistake in your last step
,calc (-8)-(-6)
Result:
-2
i should do -8+6
alright whats the last step
that's everything
time to collect the result
2a-6 is the quotient
-2 is the remainder
alright thanks man
anything else?
I can provide you an alternative
a slightly more advanced approach
sure tell me
Let's observe the division $8\div 3 = 2...2$
VerifiedCrank
We can write their relationship as the following
$8 = 3\times 2 + 2$
VerifiedCrank
Do you agree so far?
yes
So we got the equation\
$2a^2-4a-8 = (a+1)Q + R$ where Q is the quotient and R is the remainder
VerifiedCrank
I think I should mention that you don't need to think of "polynomial divison" as some magical algorithm, it's just algebra:
(2a^2-4a-8) / (a + 1) = (2a(a - 2) - 8) / (a + 1) = (2a(a+1-1-2) - 8) / (a+1) = (2a(a+1) + 2a(-3) - 8) / (a+1) = 2a + (-6a - 8) / (a+1) = 2a + (-6(a + 1) - 2) / (a+1) = (2a - 6) - 2/(a+1)
... If I didn't screw up algebra
Let's plug in a = -1 to find out the remainder
alright
$-2 = (0)$Q + R
VerifiedCrank
sure
If we move -2 to the left, we get $2a^2-4a-6 = (a+1)$Q
VerifiedCrank
We know that Q must have the leading coefficient of 2, because the leader coefficient of $2a^2-4a-6$ is 2
alright
VerifiedCrank
So we have the equation
$a^2-2a-3 = (a+1)(\frac{Q}{2})$
VerifiedCrank
do you know how to factorize?
no
do you know how to solve quadratic eqs?
ah I see, then just take this approach as a show as it would take a lot of time to teach this
Alright, can you factorize a^2-2a-3?
i think 3, -1?
yes my bad
Right, so you got
$(a-3)(a+1) = (a+1)(\frac{Q}{2})$
VerifiedCrank
mhm
So $\frac{Q}{2} = (a-3)$
VerifiedCrank
pretty sure you know what to do next 
This approach is slightly more complicated but beneficial in the long run
times 2 on the both sides to remove the 2
and I actually have the third approach
is there a way to get better in maths ?
Just do more questions honestly
i see
improve your pattern recognition skill
how
Do lots of questions, find their mutual solutions, and accumulate experiences
i see
nah thx
good luck
u too
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I don’t how to find that sin 2theta is negative when I am finding it’s positive, in interval -pi to 0
I multiplied the interval by 2 to -pi/2 - theta- 0 and got -pi - 2theta. - 0
I drawed the graph and I see it’s positive
Am I doing something stupid
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can u tell which question are u talking about?
Q4
Sry
Should have said before
For a you just need to proof that the radius r is negative
Yup
You can do that by arguing that sine is negativ
yes
ur correct because its supposed to pe positive
But should be negative
read the question again
for the equation to be true but if u have to prove that it is false
and since ur sin2theta can only be posit
The graph of ur sine is wrong
so there is no part of C in those region
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can someone help me with geometry
circles
yeah just post them
The vertex of the angle is outside the circle, its sides represent the sides of the triangle, and the angle is equal to the measure (in degrees) of the smallest circle inscribed in its sides. Find this angle.
i have to draw it myself cuz its just the question in the book
ok well how about this one
find the angles of abc triangle, <ACM=50
<BCN=70
Angle ACB would be 60
why
@open lance
in the answers it says 70 , 60 , 50
*you may know this as "sum of angles on a straight line is 180"
Sorry my bad I didn’t see the figure accusations
so whats the formula
i cant just write the answer the teacher will ask me how i got it
So u tell that MF that for a straight line the sum of all the angles subtending through it is 180 so by basic arithmetic 180-(50+70)=60 for angle ACB
And there is the application of exterior angle theorem as well
@open lance
ok i wrote this
but what abt the other angles
For other angles
Like?
From a given point on a circle, a diameter and a chord equal to the radius are drawn. Find the angle between them
Can u give me a min?
ok
Answ is 60 ig do u know the answer
how do u solve it
@open lance btw can i ask which standard or course u are taking ?
It’s pretty elaborate but I can explain over voice chat if u want
idk im being tutored in math and i use 2 books 1 geometry 1 algebra
and theyre in my native language so u wouldnt understand
georgia
is there like a formula
i'm pretty sure you're not the only one that speaks your native language
Maybe
well idk how to find someone in here that does and can help me
cuz its even more difficult to try and understand when the words r in english
you dont need to. But if someone DOES speak it, they will identify so when the original is posted
Sad 🥲
im trying to use chatgpt as well but its not good at explaining
Do u know about a equilateral triangle
I’m sorry I’m unable to help u
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Hello I need help
@sacred snow do you know the Pythagorean theorem?
Yes
Can you set up the equation in the pythagorean theorem to solve this right triangle?
Well, what is the equation?
A squared plus b squared = c squared
Ok, now in that equation, which letter represents the hypotenuse?
Angle? You mean side length yes?
Ok, now assume you have a^2 + b^2 = c^2
We know that c is the largest side, which side in the 6b) triangle is the largest?
9 root 3
So we have a^2 + b^2 = (9√3)^2
We know another side length, let's call it b. Can you replace b into this equation?
Yes
Go ahead and do that if you would
With 4root6
So what is your equation now?
A squared plus 4 root 6 =9root3 squared
Four root 6 squared
Ok. So now we can simplify and solve for a.
Yes
Both (4√6)^2 and (9√3)^2 are integers, what are their values?
Not sure
Well, I'll do an example: (5√7)^2 = 5^2 * (√7)^2 = 25 * 7 = 175
Can you simplify yours?
Show your work please
Similar problem with 81 x 9
Prime factorize
Equals 7 root 3
You did it!
I can, but I cannot promise I'll be available.
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why is it important that a and b have no common factors?
it's not
you didn't use the fact that gcd(a,b) = 1 in the proof
Say we have a common term 2, for the equation $$(5^b)^2=(10^a)^2$$ we could have positive and negative "solutions". Say a arbitrary number x, we can solve b for $$5^b=x \implies b=\log_5x$$ with the same logic, then we will get $$-5^b=x \implies b\log(-5)=\log_5x$$ which is not doable.
Good
I think I've seen something similar before, but I'm not sure if this was the explanation that "works".
but there's no case where there's a "negative solution" tho
5^b = -10^a

the proof they posted doesn't use gcd(a,b) = 1 even if it was (2a)/(2b) like you wrote out
their argument of comparing the parity between the left and right side is structurally the same
also don't we usually consider the simplest form so that we don't have to spend more time on an infinite descent argument
I overthought, my bad. This doesn't seem logical at all.
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ok
yeah i was confused about that, good to know
tldr; it's a good thing to have
like some proofs of sqrt(2) being irrational
use the fact that a/b is in simplified form
but you can do it without the gcd(a,b) = 1 requirement
and even if you use the proof that rests on the gcd(a,b) = 1
u just have to use infinite descent on that to make it workable without gcd(a,b) = 1
idk what that means lol
but we say that a and b are positive integers right?
Yes, since logarithms can't be negative.
okay
i just don't see how if we have a common term 2, this means that we could also have negative solutions like -5^b = x
I didn't know what I though there, but you can do $$5^{2b}=2b=\log_5x$$
Good
i guess it doesn't matter then
what i was getting at was
if a/b = sqrt(2) where a and b are even
then you can imagine continuously dividing both the numerator and denominator repeatedly by 2
and then you have a cycle of "infinite divisions"
i mean
you can do this with any numbers?
eventually you may reach an odd number and then that makes no sense cuz we supposed that a/b was even
okay that makes sense
what if they were both odd, would it be the opposite?
and what if one was odd and the other even
