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,w rank {{1,0,k,2},{2,3,-3,1},{1,0,1,0}} where k = 3
okay I have to go sorry for getting confused! gl
is fine I appreciate the help
i think is cool to check with the cartesian equation of S like that, otherwise we would have had a wrong SnH2
is hard to explain via text tho, all of the ideas I am having
maybe I lack the mathematical maturity
no imo it’s normal, there is a lot of moving pieces in your goulag type linalg problems
so if that’s it ima call thing is done
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i appreciate the help, though i hope I can perform well in my exam
so I can get out of this goulag mate
exam was postponed to next week
also, some of this exercises are just too tricky for me
like some of the times you just get stuck and cant continue
either that, or
you find a wrong subspace that doesnt satisfy the requirements
defintely I get the goulag analogy
a friend of mines have done this course 4 times already can you imagine
is just a goulag at that point
yeah your course is hard for a non-uni lvl course, tbh even my first uni LA course was more chill
but imo you gotta keep going when the day of the exam comes, personally i like to take 5 min at the start of my exams just to read the questions and order them by how quickly i think i am able to gather points on them, but my exams are 2h long so
but this is some unsolicited advice
no, I appreciate it, will definetely do it
I will be closing this now, ty for the help, is just surreal and I am just scared I will not be with you guys in the exam
but I think its part of growing up, like not having your hand being held all the time
yeah imo it’s critical that you can do a mock exam on your own in ish the amount of time given
but i think you already did that
i will do that in sunday because i think the exam is on monday
but idk, just will pray to the math gods im in the zone the day of the exam and everything goes smoothly
sometimes u just get an extra hard problem
good sleep can make a big difference imo, sounds dumb but it’s no joke. However, i also had times when i couldn’t sleep well before exams because of stress so imo take it as it come and continue the grind
XD yeah it happens that i just cant sleep the day before because im so stressed
life sucks
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(half joking) at this point you could just read FIS and LADR tbh
fis and ladr is rigurous, also touches the infinite dimensional topic
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yeah, but it would one metal way to iron out your fondations, though it’s probably not productive to start reading those one week before your exam
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I will skim through them because I am just about to start second midterm
after my exam we should start covering linear transformations and idk, change of basis ig
other stuff
there are some exercises like this for subspaces but with Image of a linear transformation
imo with books like that skimming them is not the most productive thing to do
but i agree that for the purpose of passing your exam, there is a lot of (for your purpose) superfluous material on space of functions
in LADR for instance
no but, I have seen some of the earlier chapters of ladr
like some of his exercises seem very similar for subspaces
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what's FIS?
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friedberg insel spence (the three authors of a linalg text)
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why does D have to be true ?
The function has two critical values. One must occur on (10, 12) and (12, 14), respectively.
I guessed this one right on my mock 💀
why does it have to occur at that two point
i dont get it
Function goes from decreasing to increasing, vice versa
(Respectively on those 2 intervals)
oh yea but doesn't it change from dec to inc at 11 and inc to dec at 13 ?
am i trippin
not exactly there
at least not necessarily
there has to be one critical value in the interval (10,12)
and one in the interval (12,24)
but now what we're sure of
Oh, I misread the first column of the table.
i dont get it how do i solve 😭
the idea is to use the IVT + MVT (or rolle's theorem)
so observe that it decreases between 10 and 11 to a minimum and increases to a maximum between 13 and 14
or the minimum could be between 11 and 12
and maximum between 12 and 13
yea but the point is just to notice where it’s increasing/decreasing
I'll be doing a rigorous justification in the meantime
Since f(10) = 5 and f(11) = 2, f(x1) = 3 for some x1 in (10,11)
So now, IVT (or Rolle) tells us f'(c1) = 0 for some c1 in (x1,12)
that's our first critical point
so f'=0 when it changes from inc to dec or dec to inc it happenes around 11 and 13 so D cant be true ?
D is true actually
cant be?
since we have exactly 2 critical points
i mean like f'(12) cant be zero
yes that's correct, because we already found the two critical points elsewhere
Now I'm starting to wonder if D even makes sense if f'(12) isn't defined
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I'm confused on why it's B over A
Since f''(0) = -2, we know that the slope should be decreasing around x = 0.
i thought sign of f'' is for concavity ?
$$\sum_{n = 0}^2 \frac{f^{(n)}(0)}{n!}x^n$$
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Yeah just plug in the values to the formula and then you can differentiate answers A and B by solving for f(1)
find the equation of the quadratic
like vertex
you can write the polynomial in explicit form, and it has a root >1
both A and B are concave down quadratics but you’ll find a problem
A has vertex around 0 to 1 but it shouldn't be there ?
-2/2! x^2 = -x^2 ?
$f(0) + f’(0)x + \frac{f’’(0)}{2} x^2$
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wait does vertex eq work for non square too ?
It's gonna be (stuff)^2 + or - some number probably
what
it’s vertex form
if it’s a perfect square then the vertex has a y coordinate of 0
that’s all
i memorized x=b/-2a for sat so im thinking if it works for non perfect square quadratics too
i never even do all that
i factor out the coefficient of x^2 then i saw x^2 - 2x - 1 so -(x - 1)^2 then to get + 1 we need to add 2
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for radius of convergence if we have (x-c)^n form and it asked for what value of x does it converge or diverge does the |x-c| <=R means it converge but why does it sometimes not include the ends ? is like similar to interval that we have to check the ends ?
and why does stuff like |2| converge but |-2| dont ?
the inequality is strict
|2|?
yea why does same abs value but different sign inside makes it not converge
i don’t know what you mean
the ratio test will tell you that it will definitely converge if
|x - c| < R
and will definitely diverge if
|x - c| > R
but is inconclusive about
|x - c| = R
so the endpoints of the interval may or may not converge, or one could converge and the other diverge
like (x-c)^n is 3 it converge but if its -3 it doesnt converge even if it has same R
yea i know this
so there's no guarantee that the endpoints would have the same behavior
for example you could have it be an alternating series on one end and not the other
like for ex we have (x-4)^n and say at x=7 it converge but why doesnt it coverge at x=1 ? isnt it the same if it comes out of | |
no
it depends on the specific series you are talking about
it’s conditionally convergent
if it’s only converging at one endpoint then the endpoint it’s converging at is conditionally convergent so at the other endpoint youll lose that
and hence diverge
wdym lose it at the other endpoint 😭
knief
you can show this has radius 1
but it’s only alternating at one endpoint
and since it’s conditionally convergent when x = -1 this means it will be divergent at x = 1
is this a thing like if its conditionally converge at one end its gonna diverge at the other ?
but why is my series here conditionally converget at x=7
note that if you test one of them and it diverges this means the other one diverges or is conditionally convergent
this isn’t even convergent at 7 so idk what you mean
3^n diverges
you’ll have to give the original series
huh? the problem had some power series like that and said it converge at x=7 ?
yes
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you’re welcome
btw i’m not sure if you’re allowed to say that without proof on the exam
like
if it’s an frq
you might want to go through the calculation anyway
yea you kinda have to show it
neat trick for mcq though
yea thanks 🙂
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Have you tried plotting your answer in desmos
Your answer looks like it has a vertical asymptote at zero unfortunately
because of the x in the denominator
,w plot [(x-1)(x-2)(x-1)]/[x(x-3)(x+3)]
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what do I do
hello
so you can combine the terms.
Factorise the numerator and denominator and cancel any common factors
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Hello! 👋
What is a weighted path matrix and how to I calculate it from this table? 
can you show the full question
maybe that will shed some light on what this table is supposed to mean
by multiply anddivide by second row sum
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can someone help me with this question, what is this? im confused how they got this equation.
i think A1 refers to Area1 and A2 means Area2
there is no image from the question
a1 is y=1 and a2 is y=x^2
$\int_{-1}^{1}1dx$
hello
A=bh
height is 1
and the base is the distance from (1,0) to (-1,0)
i think i get it now from this
ooh okay
hello
$1\cdot\left(1--1\right)=h\cdot b$
okay, thank you
You can also get the area by this integral: $\int_{-1}^{1}\left(\left(1\right)-\left(x^{2}\right)\right)dx$
hello
or i can just intergrate from this right?
Yes, and you can integrate that.
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can we have a general formula for this
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see it's dumb
quite likely that you can cook up some integration by parts BS and make a recursive formula for it of some kind
dont mind the lack of a pi in the green part
also wait is b meant to be
IBP?
integer
IBP = integration by parts
positive
why not call it n then
cause i want to call it b
it doesn't matter
how i've calculated until b = 5 is by using feynman's trick
if i had to predict the b = 6 case
it is most likely pi/a^(11) (63)/(512)
,w int from 0 to inf 1/(x^2 + a^2)^6 dx
yes, if you are prepared to use some complex analysis then you can get a formula out quite easily
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If N is a constant
the derivative of $a(x-b)$ is just $a$
Ann
also whats that image though
(-1)^n is just a constant that's being multiplied by x here
for u´
ye haha i get that but i think im missing some basic knowledge. So anything * (x-n) derivated = always anything ?
ok not anyting but mathematical its always for 69(x-420) derivated = u´=69 like lets say (-1+2+3+4+5)^n*(x-n) = (-1+2+3+4+5)^n
ahhhh noo
AX derivated = A of course
so (-1)^n itself is the constant multiplied with X as (x-n) and in that case its just (-1)^n
i get it now
i was just confused cause math noob
thank you very much for your help again by the waay!!!!!
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How do you do 2.c) and 3.b) c)?
for 2c, you can use the triangle from 2b
or a very similar triangle
instead of sides in ratio 4 / 5, have sides in ratio x
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Oh right
are u from india class 12th?
No
oh i thought that becuase its the kind of math taught there
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for part (d) why does it check y(t) like what happening to parametric mean I have to check x and what for y ?
its in the first quadrant
so y > 0
if u want the particle to move to the y-axis
y value must decrease
thus
y'(t) < 0
oh that make sens
and since we dont have y(t) we js check where y'(t) = 0 and crosses x-axis right ?
we have that y(t) always > 0 over that interval
yes
and the answer would be the interval t for which y'(t) < 0
y'(t) < 0 means y(t) is decreasing and we getting closer to x axis right ?
yes
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Let f(x) = 2x^2-x-1 and S={n belongs to Z:|f(n)|<=800}. Then the value of summation f(n) where n belongs to S is equal to:
first i drew the graph and found max possible value of n is x=20 and minimum is x = -19
then i did f(x) + f(-x) = 4x^2 - 2
so the summation will be
4(summation of squares of first 19 natural numbers) - 2(19) + f(20) right?
Yeah

its very close tho
im off by 1
What the hell
OHHHHHHH
Yeah I see
plug in x=0 into f(x)+f(-x) and solve for f(0)
and its a numerical as well so i would have gotten -1 after doing so much calculation 😔
;(
Then try to find C in this equation
WHAT THE FUCK BRO HOW COULD I MISS THAT
😔
got it thank u
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Its fine bro
:D
I was wondering why you didn't sum from 0 kek
I realized it counted double then saw that
yeah i saw n and immediately thought natural numbers
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did you close prev
yeah it was a glitch
wdym by "not getting"
like not able to do
not able to check?
yes
derivative is >=0 and equality should only exist at discrete points
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no, forget about derivatives
strictly increasing means that for all x1, x2 in the domain you have x1 < x2 => f(x1) < f(x2)
can you name at least one
from your S to your T
which satisfies this
notice btw that any strictly-increasing function is also forced to be injective
(or, in your terms, one-to-one)
(0.1,0)(1.1,1)(2.2,2)(3.3,3)?
ok can you tell me why this is woefully incomplete
alsoareyouspacephobicorsomethinglikewhydoesyournotationnothaveanyspacesbetweencharactersatall
oh
i dont understand what u mean by naming a function..could u give an example
naming a function means giving me a rule by which you assign to each point of S a point in T
oh well i cant because the function is not continuous
How are you even able to talk about continuity here without knowing the topology on T?
what is topology 😔
if you wanna go for that angle, it's discrete
but also we're pretending the function is real-valued (ie S -> R) except that we also know all its values lie in T
don't worry about it.
just because a function is not continuous does not automatically mean it admits no description
unless you would cast aside even the signum function as indescribable
or the floor function
like come on
let me try to put it more bluntly
this list of ordered pairs is not a function S -> T because it fails to tell me where the point 0.69 (which is in S) is supposed to go
oh
I think maybe they might be under the assumption that it must be one-to-one to be a function. But a function just means that for any given input it gets exactly one output
Think a function is like a machine, you put something in and get something out. Different things going in might result in the same output, but not necessarily
nono i know what types of function there are
wait what..shouldnt every input get exactly one output?
Yes, but not every output has exactly one input that goes to it
Think of the constant function, it gives the same output no matter what you stick in
yeah
no im not under this assumption
So then describe a non-constant function from S to T
im not able to
Okay I'll give one example then
oh i thought u meant increasing
i think i got anns point
eg in (0,1) all points in (0,1) has to be 1,2,3,4
if any 2 are the same it will become not strictly increasing
so 0 functions can be done like that?
Bingo
ohhh okay
You'd need an infinite number of points in the output to make a strictly increasing function from (0,1)
oh ok i think i got my mistake..i was thinking of T as an interval rather than points
i think ill be able to do it now
Ahhhhh yes
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i got
f(x) = 1-7x^3 when x>1
f(x) = 1-x^3 when x<=1
g(x) = -2x^3 when x>1
g(x) = 2x^3+2 when x<=1
and im getting option C as correct which is not correct
it is just the opposite of an onto(surjective) function
range not equal to codomain
what is g btw i don't see anything named g
g is psi (sorry forgot to clarify)
im not sure about your f
2f(x) +f(-x) = -x^3-3
2f(-x) + f(x) = x^3-3
4f(-x) + 2f(x) = 2x^3 - 6
3f(-x) = 3x^3-3
f(-x) =x^3-1
f(x) = -x^3 -1
oh you are right let me calculate it again
yeah i got it
thanks
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I solved this by finding zeroes and chosing one with odd power cuz that's when it crosses x axis meaning there's sign change but idk if this is correct method
That is the correct method.
Yes, that's the right method. You can also make a "sign chart" with the zeroes of f''.
If f'' changes sign at a zero, then it's a point of inflection.
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Find all integer solutions to 1/x + 1/y = 1
hi

interesting

Jon
$\frac{x+y}{xy}=1$
Jon
You can solve for y and get y = 1+1/(x-1) now ask yourself when 1/(x-1) is an integer (which means x-1 must be a divisor of 1, and only divisor of 1 is 1, so x-1 = 1 implies x = 2)

$xy-x-y+1-1=0$
xy - x - y + 1 = (x - 1)(y - 1) = 1
Jon
$\left(x-1\right)\left(y-1\right)=1$
Jon
(-1)(-1)
division by 0
yeah but you gotta check it
From here... what would be the harm in doing x+y=xy?
Oh wait im sloww
because it is a easy question, and there are not many steps
so yeaaaa
also you can guess the answer from common sense
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Could somebody show me what the complex fourier series representation looks like?
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Over -pi to pi instead of 1, but computations are nearly identical
Hum, almost the same yeah
Could you help me verify that what I did is correct
You really should just show rather than ask to show
even terms of c_n are 0
but not sure how to plug it in the series
sen stands for sine
You can just write f(x) = c_0 + sum n=1 to inf ( c_n exp(in x))
If your definition of Fourier series has inπx instead of inx, then your work looks fine
Oh your interval is (-1,1) right
that is because we are not working with the classic 2pi periodic function
yes
,w int 0 to 1 x cos(n pi x) dx
have not worked with series in the complex before, so not sure how to write it in odd terms
Integral of an odd function over a symmetric domain is zero
You're done with all the computations, just put it together
You just plug c_0 and c_n into here. I guess you could simplify c_n a little bit
Everything else looks right
I think there's no other way to simplify it
How do I convert it into its real form?
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my answer keep comming as root 90
are u putting the numbers outside of the root back inside?
yes
mb
i was doing it wrong
no
nv
nvm
how would u solve the question
i got the ansqwer as 11 root 2
thats right i found the same
i turned everything to square root too
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is triple scalar product similar to determinant? what would be the diference=
what is the triple scalar product
Yeah define
scalar triple product
Like scalar product of three vectors ?
i dont think so?
It gives the volume of the parralelepiped with sides u,v,w
and volume of paralelepiped with sides u,v,w is the determinant?
And yeah it is equivalent
how does it work, do you guys have an geometric intuition behind it or no
I think its just name no ?
wdym?
Nah nvm
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i mean it's an easy question, but i just realised I don't know how to answer it
how do I construct level curves of functions with only one variable?
like f(x,y) = x^2
normally, I rearrange for y, and just do it that way for different cases of z for the contour plot
you set it equal to a constant and solve?
well, yeah, but you'd just get points.
what points
take x^2 = 4 or something for the z value
you'd get +- 2
rather than the level curves at z = 4
yeah, those are points
oh im tripping nvm
yeah
cuz i was lowk chilling with contour plots i just realised this was a misunderstanding
contour plots are useless af
for visualising functions they're not very good i have to say
how else can you visualize them?
they are a good way for compressing
like between the contours for 1 and 2
idk how to read maps
you know the function value is between 1 and 2
and more dense contour means...?
a steeper function increase
anyways bye
bye
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looks correct
i recommend splitting this into two integrals and doing those separately
so $\int_1^4 \frac{e^\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}}dx - \int_1^4 \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}dx$
doing sqrtx = u from there i guess?
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yes
oof wait
okay sorry i got distracted and derived it twice 😭
1/2sqrtx
that makes sense
okay i think i can do it from here thankss
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Whats the integral of (1-cos(x))/(1+cos(x))
Idk where to start
Keep in mind this is a choose question and the answer has to be in a specific form
So show the answer choices
Its in arabic
You can start by conjugating the denominator though
And i dont have wifi to even send anythibg
That doesn’t matter
How are you accessing Discord then?
That sounds like a good idea
Its a metaphor. Pictures will take a A while to load
That also doesn’t matter
I don’t know what the options are
Alr ill try to send them
Hell, it could be some obscure simplification
But you can also check by differentiating each answer choice
1-cosx=2sin^2x/2
1+cosx=2cos^2x/2
Number 11
and then the integral becomes simple
Oh
Where did you get these from
what the hell
trig identities
I think I see the Arabic numbers 1 and 2
Whivh are?
yeah
cos2x=1-2sin^2x=2cos^2x-1
lmao even in like Chinese or whatever you'll see sin, cos, tan and actual numbers though
that's just freaky
lol
you didn't learn about this?
I'm pretty sure they are standard, check your book once
PEKKA
I di
I mean they could just have cos 2x = cos^2 x - sin^2 x
But i cant seem to figure out how youve come to this
replace x with x/2
and rearrange
yeah so $1 - \cos(2x) = 2 \sin^2 x$: that's a rearrangement
south
ikr
alternatively, $\frac{1 - 2 \cos x + \cos^2 x}{1 - \cos^2 x}$
then it's a term by term integration given $1 - \cos^2 x = \sin^2 x$
south
oh yeah $\cot^2 x = \csc^2 x - 1$ then integrate
south
oh cot = 1/tan and csc = 1/sin
Srry i was doing smth, Its gonna be tan(1/2 x)^2
Where to now?
Ik the integral of tan(x)^2
x/2=t
dx=2dt
Oooooh i forgot
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Find the set of real values of x satisfying the equality
[3/x] + [4/x] = 5 where [] denotes greatest integer(floor function)
first i wrote the greatest integer terms in terms of fractional part
so on the one side i got
(3/x) + (4/x) - 5
and on the other side i got sum of the two fractional part terms
so the range of (3/x) + (4/x) - 5 is from [0,2)
im getting the wrong answer using this method
probably notice first that x = 1.1, or a number marginally greater than 1 satisfies
cause you would get 2 + 3 = 5
oh ok yeah
then you have to find the largest value of x in the set
note that [3/x] and [4/x] are both decreasing functions, so their sum is also decreasing
yeah
you should be good from here
you'd need [3/x] and [4/x] to be lower than 2 and 3
when's the earliest that could happen?
x<3/2?
that's not the earliest
how do i find the earliest
yes!
yes, so 1 < x
and also does this come with an equality?
be careful cause x = 4/3 also satisfies the equality
correct
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Trying to prove A(B+C)= AB+AC , where A,B,C are matrices .
Is there an elegant way, perhaps involving linear maps
What do you have so far?
nothing really, I know how to brute force this, but don't want to
The best I can do is
actually nvm
can't do that
was thinking of multiplication as composing functions
but nvm
wai
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Hint: Think about (i, j)th element of $A, B, C; a_{ij}, b_{ij}, c_{ij}$ respectively
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Yea, I'm well aware
as I said , I don't want to perform matrix multiplication here
evenr for one set of elements
want to try and use multiplication as composition
there’s a way to bypass matrix multiplication here, I think 
consider the action of the left hand side on some arbitrary vector v, and likewise the action of the right hand side on an arbitrary vector v
yeah
you got it
if you think of both sides as functions on column vectors, then they’ll be equal iff they output the same thing for any given input vector
yea, that's what I was going for , thanks!
sorry for rejecting your idea like that
this is how you’d prove the same equality when A, B, and C are linear maps 
It's fine lol
The simplest way to prove is to just expand the definition and show that they're equivalent for both
but if you don't wanna do it, that's aok
it’s not a bad exercise to do this via the matrix multiplication route, tbh
Is it an exercise?
well, I think wai would benefit from checking it explicitly 
I did that back in 12th 😭
fair enough
I'll post it since this isn't the solution
$$r_{ij} = \sum_{k = 1}^n a_{ik}(b_{kj} + c_{kj}) = \sum_{k = 1}^n a_{ik}b_{kj} + \sum_{k = 1}^n a_{ik}c_{kj}$$
That's it
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I similarly have $A(B+C)(v)= A(B(v)+ C(v))$ by definition, I think I'm doing something wrong though
yeah
wai
what do you think you are doing wrong?
Because now I'm forced to use distributivity,, am I not
oh righ
nvm
Let B(v)= r, let C(v)= s
A( r+s)= A(r)+ A(s) by linearity of matrices
indeed
cool
How does the under root expression become 25?
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you’re not using distributivity of matrix multiplication to do that 
just that a matrix is a linear map
yup
Awesome !
Thanks!
As for why I chose this method. This is what axler had to say
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yea?
No I read the paragraph and thought it was hilarious and agreed
nothing else lmao
You can close this if your doubt is solved, I don't have anything to add
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Can someone draw me the Electron Flow Direktion from the capacitor, if the Switch is closed
Flow the electrons to the - from the Battery or only to the - from the capacitor
No answer my question not from the task itself
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The bulb dissipates heat through the resistance
When capacitor discharges
So charge flows hence current produced
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The inner most shell has a charge Q_1 on its surface
The middle shell has Q_2, but the total charge enclosed by a Gaussian surface woudl be Q_1 + Q_2
So there's - Q_1 on the inner part of the middle shell
And Q_1 + Q_2 on the outer surface
Same story for the outer shell, Q_1 + Q_2 + Q_3 rests on the surface and - (Q_1 + Q_2) on the inner surface
I think if you work with the charge densities you should get 1:3:5?
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ohk i think i understood
thank u
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Let $\vec{F}(x, y) = \left( \frac{-y}{4x^2 + 9y^2} \right) \vec{i} + \left( \frac{x}{4x^2 + 9y^2} \right) \vec{j}$, for $(x, y) \neq (0, 0)$.
Calculate the line integral $\oint_{\gamma} \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r}$, where $\gamma$ is the circle of radius $2$ centered at $(0, 1)$, oriented in the clockwise direction.
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Let $\Omega$ be the domain of $\vec{F}$, Then $\gamma\subset\Omega$
pirateking0723
since $(0,0)\notin\gamma$ and $\gamma$ is a simple closed curve, then we can use green's theorem
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let $\vec{F}=P\vec{i}+Q\vec{j}$. after calculating $\pdv{Q}{x}$ and $\pdv{P}{y}$ one sees that $\pdv{Q}{x}=\pdv{P}{y}$
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so $\oint_{-\gamma}\vec{F}\dot\dd\vec{r}=\iint_B\pdv{Q}{x}-\pdv{P}{y}\dd x\dd y=\iint_B 0\dd x\dd y=0$ where $B$ is the region bounded by $\gamma$
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the line integral here is over -γ instead of γ because γ is oriented clockwise and not counter clockwise
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So my first thought was to prove that if there exist .... then the rank of A is 1
that makes no intutive sense to me though]
what notion of rank are you using
first thing that comes to mind is to take a vector in F^n and show that it maps to a multiple of (c1…cm)
I mean both column and row rank are the same,no?
yes but what is your idea of what the rank is
like
you want intuition
so what notions do you have surrounding the rank of a matrix (or linear map)
It's the numbr of non-zero rows or columns
that is not true
the rank of (1 1; 1 1) is 1 for example
huh, I see
so you do have the idea of gaussian elimination where you get the rank of the matrix is the number of nonzero rows or columns a row-reduced matrix, which you totally could work with if you wanted (denascite’s comment from yesterday comes to mind)
if you’re willing to be more cerebral about it you could also think about the rank as the dimension of the image of A
I see, okay
the idea of this comment comes from that notion
because one would expect, that since the columns are all multiples of c, the dimension of the image should be 1
how so?
Well, if the rank is 1, then all column vectors but 1 are all zero, with 1 having a 1
this is only after gaussian elimination
same for row vectors
yes
okay so why does that tell me anything about A itself?
you’ve now told me something about the rref of A
the thing that you said here is certainly not true for all matrices A with rank 1 (same counterexample as listed above works, the rref of that is (1 1; 0 0), which does fit what you said, but (1 1; 1 1) does not have that property)
rref of A is just E_k…E_1A where the E’s are elementary matrices
hmm
Is that where you’re going?
sure yes. i think once you do it using this definition you should also do it using gaussian elimination because both solutions are pretty instructive
I'll do that soon, let me get back into my linear algebra groove
because the statement you mentioned here, despite my negative comment, is the start of a solution, i just wanted to point out that it was not actually definitionally true like you suggested earlier
okay so yes this is true
hmm, ookay
i feel like i should just let you explore a little bit tbh, there isn’t much that i can really say without saying outright what the proof is.
like you should pick a rank 1 matrix and see why its rank is 1
I feel like my brain stops working when I have to deal with matrices
so think of it like a linear map then
matrices are linear maps
the columns of a matrix tell you where the basis element (0,…,0,1,0,…,0) in F^n goes
in terms of linear maps, isn't this basically true by defn
no, because the question is about matrices
and not linear maps
like it sort of is
but you have to draw at least some connection
like you also have to find some (c_1,…,cm) and (d_1,…,d_n) and assert that the conclusion holds for A and those vectors.
let me. try again
Let the row vectors be v_1,v_2,\dots v_n
then as the rank is 1, if I take any two row vectorsm they have have to be scalar multiples of one another?
yes, but why is that true?
and it sounds like i am being sort of annoying here, and i am, but there’s a good reason that i am being like this right now - because this is the actual connection between the linear map F^n -> F^m and the matrix A
but okay we can stick a pin in it and just suppose that this is true.
and then prove it later,
similarly all the row vectors are scalar multiples of one another
that is also true
one thing that might be useful is giving the scalars here names, say, if v_1 is nonzero, then v_2 is some multiple x * v_1
i purposefully picked a non-suggestive name for the scalar
but you can make it more suggestive if you wish.
I really don't think I can do this proof now, I think it's better for me to move on and come bacl to this in a bit
like tomorrow?
okay sure. i’ll be around
I feel like I'll learn a lot more by studying say isomoprhims
yea, idk why I'm struggliing with matrices so much though
it is extremely worthwhile imo.
nearly everyone struggles with it
because there is just so much going on
in some sense
because the notation ended up being so compact to describe what is actually a rather general thing (linear maps), there is a lot of unpacking to do every step, so it is something that you have to get used to, as well as conventions, etc.
I think I'll just go with the flow and master this when I really need it : LU factorisation and stuff related to that
i think it is worth spending time with this idea later at least, if you do decide to skip it now
because this is truly a fundamental and beautiful part of linear algebra
but you definitely can tour the other parts of LA
and come back later when you’ve built up the gumption and resolve.
what is next in the book?
Yea I mean idt axler requires mucht to do with matrices until upper triangular matrices
isomorphims and invertibility
nice
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