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strange crown
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I get why the equation on the left is a quadratic exp equation( blue text), but curious as to why the equation on the right(red text) is not.

My guess Is it’s because the two terms are not of the same base? So technically they don’t follow the same power. So solving for one of the x terms doesn’t solve for the other one?

pallid halo
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yea, in the first one you could let y = 3^x and you get a quadratic in y

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this won't work in the second one because as you noted, the bases are not the same

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also, even if the bases were the same, you have a 9th power term, so if anything it would be 9th degree polynomial, not a quadratic

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Anyway I think that clears that up for me, thanks

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tall moon
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simplify $\frac{\sin(7x)-\sin(5x)-\sin(3x)+\sin(x)}{\cos(7x)-\cos(5x)+\cos(3x)-\cos(x)}$

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skissue.in.a.teacup

tall moon
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is this correct?

flat gorge
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,w [sin 7x - sin 5x - sin 3x + sin x]/[cos 7x - cos 5x + cos 3x - cos x]

flat gorge
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tan 2x it is catking

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thank you!

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im trying to find the relative extrema and points of inflection

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but i think myrelative extrema is wrong

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and also idk how to find the second dereviative

unique jackal
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it's totally correct

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before doing derivatives you seem to be simplifying the e's exponent and you wrote -1/2 x^2 + 2x - 2 = -x + 2, kind of confused what you are doing there

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oh derivative of that part i see

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it'd be helpful to actually write what you are doing instead of just a bunch of = signs 😄 between expressions that aren't actually equal

slim cove
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hmm ok ill try

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surreal patio
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# slim cove hmm ok ill try

as soosh said, it would be really helpful if you just indicated you were simplify and differentiating the exponent here thumbsupanimegirl

surreal patio
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cuz if u choose a number bigger than 2 , then the entire thing becomes negative :d

slim cove
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im trying to plug it in but

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it always says positive??

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lemme show

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surreal patio
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ur not doing it with g'(x) :c

slim cove
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wait but arent u supposed to plug it into f

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ohh wait

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oh yeah nvm tyy

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u even wrote it there , signs of f'

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so,
3ab=a+b => 3abc=ac+bc
4bc=b+c => 4abc=ab+ac
5ac=a+c => 5abc=ab+bc
12abc=2(ab+ac+bc)
24abc=4(ab+ac+bc)
24abc/(ab+ac+bc)=4(ab+ac+bc)/(ab+ac+bc)=4

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tall moon
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how many triangular pyramids can be formed by using the verticies of a cube

tall moon
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total is 8c4=70

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but there are some that are just fully flat so not a pyramid

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so there are the ones that are like the faces of a cube, so subtract 6

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then the diagonals that are horizontal to eachother, which is 2, and diagonals that are vertical, which is 4, so 70-6-6=68

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bro i sent that like 5m ago it just close aa

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tawny coyote
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can anyone help me with this limit

hollow totem
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What's with the alpha?

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this is so bizarre

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First try to find the limit of the thing in the arctangent

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this si the solution but i dont know the step by step

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crystal marten
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I gave an exam today and really wanna know if I passed ….. please help me confirm how much I scored … only the questions which I have ticked.. thanks in advance

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raven crest
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Can someone please help me on this question

raven crest
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The red part is what I know so far

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I don't know how to calculate the area of the second triangle

sand sky
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Area Formula for scalene triangles

sand sky
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12²+5² = 13²

raven crest
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yeah i noticed that too

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1/2 bh formula!

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Oh i didn't look at it from that perspective

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thanks

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lament prawn
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can someone help me ques 8

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they said 3x-4y>=0 so i set 2

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next nest
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How do I find what this limit converges to?

next nest
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Tried using squeeze theorem but I don’t know what lower bound to use

eternal shard
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what's x_1 and x_2

glad parrot
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Why x,y became x1,x2

next nest
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Oh sorry

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My bad

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x=x1 and y=x2

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Does the lower function x2^2ln(x1)/(x1+x2) work

tidal matrix
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isnt the lower bound just 0

flat gorge
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Honestly, step one should be substituting the x_1 - 1 = X

tidal matrix
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because this is always positive

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unless it isn't

eternal shard
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ln(x) can become negative

next nest
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lnx1 isn’t always positive

tidal matrix
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i was talking abt

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the denominator

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lnx depends

winter herald
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Why do you write it is 1?

next nest
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It’s a question mark

flat gorge
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$\lim_{(X, Y) \to (0, 0)} \frac{XY^2}{X^2 + Y^2} \cancelto{1}{\frac{\ln (1+X)}{X}}$

winter herald
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wow

tidal matrix
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near x = 1, if x > 1, lnx>0
if x < 1, lnx < 0
as x -> 1, lnx -> 0

therefore we know |lnx| is small for x near 1

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next nest
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Is that the same function?

flat gorge
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Is it not? Is it easier to deal with (x_1 - 1)² + x_2² and ln(x_1) as (x_1, x_2) -> (1, 0) than to deal with X² + Y² and ln(1+X) as (X, Y) -> (0, 0)?

tidal matrix
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or you can use squeeze theorem, you can see that as x -> 1, lnx -> 0 therefore lower bound is 0

winter herald
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he already got that originally

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wait

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lower bound?

next nest
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Yeah or I wasn’t sure about the lower bound

tidal matrix
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yes lower bound

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if x tends to 1, lnx will tend to 0

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so you can consider the lower bound to be 0

winter herald
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How does that help

tidal matrix
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because the definition of squeeze theorem is g(x) <= f(x) <= h(x)

next nest
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Yeah and both upper and lower tend to 0 then

tidal matrix
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if you know the limit of g(x) and h(x)

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that's also gonna be the limit of f(x)

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winter herald
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There is no lower bound

tidal matrix
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There is.

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It's never negative in this scenario.

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So 0 is the lower bound.

winter herald
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It is negative

tidal matrix
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as x->1, lnx->0

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winter herald
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put in x_2=+1/n and x_1=1-1/n

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n to infinity of course

flat gorge
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flat gorge
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x_2

tidal matrix
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your x2

next nest
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Have I factored something incorrectly

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Oh wait you multiplied by x

winter herald
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,wolf lim ((1/n)²ln(1-1/n))/((1-1/n-1)²+(1/n)²), n->oo

winter herald
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huh wait

mortal orbit
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the limit is indeed zero, and there is a way to prove this term goes to 0

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rewrite it as

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$\frac{xx_2^2}{x^2+x_2^2}$

potent lotusBOT
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rafilou is not not born in 2003

mortal orbit
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and use cauchy-schwarz

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|xx_2| <= ...

winter herald
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Okay sorry I got confused.

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However I still think the limit does not exist.

mortal orbit
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well it does

winter herald
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choose x_1=1 and x_2=1/n

next nest
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How do I use Cauchy schwarz to show that?

mortal orbit
next nest
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abs(xy)<=abs(x) abs(y) is Cauchy schwarz right

mortal orbit
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wait

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I might have gotten confused on the name

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it's AM GM

next nest
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What’s that

mortal orbit
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arithmetic mean >= geometric mean

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inequality

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for non-negative numbers

next nest
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Or maybe using polar coordinates?

mortal orbit
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no need

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here's how to do it

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what can you say about the sign of $(x-x_2)^2$

potent lotusBOT
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rafilou is not not born in 2003

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mortal orbit
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deduce an upper bound of $|xx_2|$

potent lotusBOT
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rafilou is not not born in 2003

next nest
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x x2 + 1 maybe?

mortal orbit
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maybe rather consider $(|x|-|x_2|)^2$ instead

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rafilou is not not born in 2003

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rafilou is not not born in 2003

next nest
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I’m confused

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We’re trying tryna show x x2/(x^2 + x2^2) converges to 0

mortal orbit
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xx_2^2/(...) converges to 0

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but yes

next nest
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Yeah

mortal orbit
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notice in the numerator

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it can be written as

next nest
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Doesn’t it matter that the denominator is 0

mortal orbit
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x x_2 * x_2

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so

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if you show that x x_2/(denominator) is bounded

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then

flat gorge
next nest
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So like squeeze theorem?

mortal orbit
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multiplying by x_2, that goes to 0

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yes it's the idea

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so we're trying to find an upper bound

next nest
mortal orbit
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in absolute value

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of the expression

mortal orbit
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you wrote xx_2/... instead of xx_2^2

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anyways

mortal orbit
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next nest
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Oh sorry

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So we just need an upper bound

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And not a lower?

flat gorge
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Coming back to this, use the inequality to find appropriate upper bound to this

mortal orbit
next nest
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0

mortal orbit
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so we only need an upper bound

mortal orbit
next nest
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Where does the absolute term come

mortal orbit
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wdym

next nest
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Or I’m confused why were looking at the absolute value now

mortal orbit
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we want to show our thing converges to 0

next nest
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So we show absolute convergence?

mortal orbit
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so by squeeze theorem

next nest
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Is that the term I don’t remember

mortal orbit
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no that's not it

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it's just that

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f(x,y) -> 0 iff |f(x,y)| -> 0

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so trying to show |f(x,y)| -> 0

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upper bound |f(x,y)| by something that goes to 0

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and we're done

next nest
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Okay so then we look for an upper bound to the absolute value of the expression x x^2/(x^2+x2^2)

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So for example taking the x^2 term away from the denominator were left with just x which goes to 0

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Or?

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How? The term becomes bigger

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Since were dividing by a smaller number

flat gorge
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$\frac{X}{1 + \frac{X^2}{Y^2}} \leq X$

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next nest
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Oh that’s much simpler

flat gorge
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And since the RHS converges to 0, by squeeze theorem you have your result

mortal orbit
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but yeah that's easier

flat gorge
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otherwise

next nest
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Isn’t this result tthe same as taking away the x^2 term from the denominator

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Of the absolute value

mortal orbit
next nest
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Or forgot the absolute sign

mortal orbit
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x^2 + x_2^2

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denominator

flat gorge
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Put abs on | • |

mortal orbit
next nest
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Like this or

mortal orbit
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x^2+ x_2^2*

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denominator

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and yes now it will be good

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Yesss okay fixed

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Tysm

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i have to show that the number of incorrect answers by ahmed < 4

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idk if i’m making this problem harder than it is but:

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x is the number of questions he got right in section 1 and 30 - x is the number of questions he got wrong in section 1

The same thing applies for y and z but in sections 2 and sections 3 respectively

And so:

x(1) + (30-x) (-3) + 2y + (30 - y)(-1) + 2z + (15 - z) (-2) = 4x + 3y + 4z - 150

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now i know that 0 < x,y <= 30 and 0 < z <= 15, where x,y, and z are integers

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i'm guessing then the problem reduces to me having to show that 75 - (x + y + z) < 4 or in other words (x + y + z) > 71 when 4x + 3y + 4z > 258

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looks pretty hard but with code i’ve verified that the claim is true

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i already did all that tho lol

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check my message above

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there’s 3 variables

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for 3 sections

exotic cosmos
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it’s the problem; i don’t see any ambiguity

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0.9 * 120 =108

exotic cosmos
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if your solution is something along the lines of having 4 mistakes in section 2 still not resulting in <90% grade thus …

then that feels gimmicky

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yeah then that isn’t 😭a type of solution i’m looking for

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it’s gimmicky

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can u build off what i did

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no, i thought of the exact same solution

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which is why i typed it out before u did

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it works for this problem

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i want to learn smth from the problem

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instead of just “solving” it

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Vanellope von Schmugz

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Vanellope von Schmugz

exotic cosmos
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isn’t this 😭just what we said informally

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can we just do what i did

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at the start?

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Did you try case solving this? The four cases being Ahmed's scores at 82, 83, 86, 90

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yes

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but with no gimmicks

exotic cosmos
flat gorge
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Wdym no gimmicks

exotic cosmos
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bc that solution rests more on the number 4 than anything and therefore i’m not learning anything from this problem

flat gorge
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Welp, that's the way though. An incorrect answer in sections 1 and 3 give a minus 4 score

exotic cosmos
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other than “solving” it

flat gorge
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In section 2 is a minus 3

exotic cosmos
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the thing is

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the question type is of the form

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is 4 > incorrect answers from ahmed
4 = incorrect answers from ahmed
4 < incorrect answers from ahmed
no sufficient information

flat gorge
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Do you want an optimization type solution?

exotic cosmos
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so 4 is just “random” there

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i want a more general solution

exotic cosmos
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smth like i’ve done above?

flat gorge
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Yes. In fact 3 > incorrect answers from ahmed

exotic cosmos
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kinda like this

flat gorge
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Write all restrictions on x, y, z, even something like x ≥ 0 or x ≥ 1

exotic cosmos
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isn't it already written there

flat gorge
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Oh hmm

exotic cosmos
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tbh

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our problem is now just this:

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like all the yap probably only requires this

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(according to me)

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but i think all steps logically follow

flat gorge
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So, the problem is to minimize (x + y + z) subject to 4x + 3y + 4z > 258, 0 < x, y ≤ 30, 0 < z ≤ 15

exotic cosmos
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that could be another way to phrase the problem yeah

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actually show that the minimum > 71

exotic cosmos
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flat gorge
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Give me some time. I'll have to check my opti notes after lunch

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I've gotten rusty

exotic cosmos
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hmm okay np.

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not smth overly complicated either 😭

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this is assumedly algebra

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> x,y, and z are integers
> 0 < x,y <= 30 and 0 < z <= 15```
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mikuyay surprisingly, that's technically all the problem boils down to^ imo

flat gorge
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You might be looking for this

exotic cosmos
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it's a 2 minute problem

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i did think of linear programming

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but like not too familiar with it

flat gorge
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Is indeed a 2min prob if you're familiar with linear programming

flat gorge
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> x, y, and z are integers
> 0 < x, y <= 30 and 0 < z <= 15

=> 4(x + y + z) > 258 + y
=> x + y + z > 64.5 + y/4

Claim: y > 26
Assume to the contrary that y ≤ 26
=> 4x + 3y + 4z ≤ 4(x + z) + 3*26 ≤ 180 + 78 = 258 =><=
Hence, y > 26

=> x + y + z > 64.5 + y/4 > 64.5 + 26/4 = 71
=> x + y + z > 71```
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@exotic cosmos that's probably the rigor you're looking for?

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I will also check Linear Programming and provide an alternate soln. once I'm done revising :O [been 2 yrs since I've touched the topic]

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A question for a game (Factorio)

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I need to produce 16 (A) items every 21 seconds, they need a material that takes 15s to craft, how many crafters do I need at the same time to supply the (A) items

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i feel stupid ngl

glass heart
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the key to these questions is to make the timeframe the same

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for example by considering the lcm

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(least common multiple)

still glade
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thanks for clarifying

glass heart
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what is the lcm of 21 and 15?

still glade
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3?

glass heart
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thats the gcd, greatest common divisor

still glade
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I have no idea

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let me search it up

still glade
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yes

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so, how many items do you need to produce in 105 seconds?

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how many materials do you need?

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how many do you make from one crafter in 105 seconds?

still glade
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ooohhh

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7 for one and 5 for the other

glass heart
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not quite. you probably mean the correct thing tho

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you said you need to produce 16 items in 21 seconds, so thats how many in 105 ?

still glade
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because there are 2 different craft times

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5

glass heart
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if you need 16 in 21 seconds, then you need 80=5*16 in 105 seconds

still glade
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no like I meant I produce 5 every 105

glass heart
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ok we are clearly talking about different things

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I can only go by your initial numbers

calm coralBOT
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mortal oyster
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how would we show f is into

calm coralBOT
mortal oyster
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oh wait is it that f is always positive in the given domain

tidal grotto
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it's quicker to note f(x) is an even function ;3

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note the numerator is x^2-4 as well, and this has two zeros that are in the domain of the function

hollow totem
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wtf is an into function bleakkekw

tidal grotto
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injective

hollow totem
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and many one into?

tidal grotto
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not injective

hollow totem
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what

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one-one into means injective

tidal grotto
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oh wait

hollow totem
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one-one onto means injective and surjective?

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and many one into means not injective?

tidal grotto
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im tired

hollow totem
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that is absurd notation

hollow totem
mortal oyster
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onto is surjective

hollow totem
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that one i know

mortal oyster
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one one is injective

hollow totem
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that one i also know

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into = not surjective?

tidal grotto
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RAAAAAAA

mortal oyster
mortal oyster
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into = not surjective in my book

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not necessarily injective

tidal grotto
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yes

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noble crown
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$\sum_{i=1}^{n} i^4$

calm coralBOT
potent lotusBOT
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kronium_

noble crown
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$$ Is it possible to find the Sum of this using the telescoping series?

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$\text$ Is it possible to find the Sum of this using the telescoping series?

potent lotusBOT
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ancient thistle
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yes

noble crown
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How

ancient thistle
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,w expand 1/5 (x + 1/2)^5 - 1/5 (x - 1/2)^5 - 1/6 (x + 1/2)^3 + 1/6 (x - 1/2)^3 + 7/240

noble crown
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$U_i = i^4, U_{i-1} = (i-1)^4$

potent lotusBOT
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kronium_

noble crown
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,w integrate x

noble crown
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,w integrate Li_2(x)

noble crown
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,w integrate li(x)

glad parrot
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?

ancient thistle
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,, U_i = \f 15 \parens [\bigg] {i + \f12}^5 - \f 16 \parens [\bigg] {i + \f12}^3 + \f 7 {240} \parens [\bigg] {i + \f12}

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use this

noble crown
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u literally explained nothing

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but thanks for trying

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answer isn't what I need

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its how I get to it

potent lotusBOT
ancient thistle
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well you can construct it

noble crown
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construct?

ancient thistle
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just go term by term

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like

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look at the first term

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,w expand 1/5 (i + 1/2)^5 - 1/5 (i - 1/2)^5

ancient thistle
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you get i^4 + extra stuff that you don't need

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so you try to fix it

noble crown
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yeah but how'd u get that

ancient thistle
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,w -1/6 (i + 1/2)^3 + 1/6 (i - 1/2)^3

noble crown
ancient thistle
noble crown
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yes

ancient thistle
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so

noble crown
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we already have i^4

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in the OG equation

ancient thistle
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a difference of 5th powers gives a i^4

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,w expand (k + 1)^5 - k^5

noble crown
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difference?

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ok

ancient thistle
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god wolfram is using the imaginary unit

celest hearth
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Hello is this occupied?

noble crown
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bruh yes its occupied

glad parrot
ancient thistle
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so you see here

noble crown
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,w expand (k+1)^5

ancient thistle
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when you take a difference of 5th powers you get 5k^4

noble crown
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wait

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wait

noble crown
ancient thistle
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yes

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which is why i didn't do +1

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i did +1/2 -1/2

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it makes a lot of the terms go away

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you re-centre on 0

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you have to divide by 5 to get rid of the 5 coefficient on the k^4

noble crown
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,w expand (k+0.5)^5

ancient thistle
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,w expand (k+1/2)^5 - (k-1/2)^5

ancient thistle
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see how the difference has less extra stuff

noble crown
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yes

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but still has

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how do u deal with that

flat gorge
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We telescope $(n + 1)^5 - n^5 = 5n^4 + 10n^3 + 10n^2 + 5n + 1$ to figure summation $n^4$, given summation $n^3, n^2, n$. So you could plug the rest and get your desired closed form for sum $n^4$. But yes, $(n+1/2)^5 - (n-1/2)^5$ is smart

ancient thistle
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so then you construct more terms

noble crown
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5k²/2

potent lotusBOT
noble crown
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wait how bout this

ancient thistle
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,w expand 1/5((k+1/2)^5 - (k-1/2)^5)

noble crown
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,w expand (k+1)^5 - (k-1)^5

ancient thistle
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we need to rid the k^2/2 term

noble crown
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THATS A LOT CLEANER

ancient thistle
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then it's not quite telescoping but okay that's fine

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you get difference of 2 between terms

noble crown
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?

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yes

ancient thistle
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U_k = (k + 1)^5 and then U_(k-2) = (k - 1)^5

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the telescope is worse ig

noble crown
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yeah but u still get it right

ancient thistle
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you don't get direct cancellation between adjacent terms

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yeah

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sure

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we can work with that

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so we should do 1/10 of that

noble crown
ancient thistle
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,w expand 1/10((k+1)^5 - (k-1)^5)

noble crown
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because k^4 doesn't have a coefficent?

ancient thistle
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no

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because when you have a telescoping series it's like

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,, \sum (u_k - u_{k-1})

potent lotusBOT
ancient thistle
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so the terms are like [ u_1 - u_0 + u_2 - u_1 + u_3 - u_2 + \dotsb ]

potent lotusBOT
ancient thistle
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and here you get direct cancellation between adjacent terms

noble crown
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ik that

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but how do you recognize the direct cancellation

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like the function that you gave

ancient thistle
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well

noble crown
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u said it had direct cancellation

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how did u know that

ancient thistle
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i'm suggesting to do like

noble crown
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also what gives it the direct cancellation

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wait

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WAIT

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WAIT

noble crown
ancient thistle
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(k + 1/2)^2 - (k - 1/2)^2

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k + 1/2 and k - 1/2 differ by 1

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k + 1 and k - 1 differ by 2

noble crown
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yes

ancient thistle
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when you differ by 1 is when telescoping happens

noble crown
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I see

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OHHH

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but look

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what about this one

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the one I Did the otehr day

ancient thistle
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i mean you can still telescope when it's a difference of 2

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it's just not as nice

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like it's doable

noble crown
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$\sum_{n=1}^{2025} n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)(n+4)(n+5)$

ancient thistle
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okay but like again this will shift only by 1

noble crown
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WAIT

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WHY ISN'T THIS WORKING

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what went wrong

ancient thistle
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actually no will it

noble crown
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here

ancient thistle
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hmmm

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it shifts by 6

noble crown
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WAIT

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WAIT

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just

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tell me why its not coming properly

ancient thistle
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,, \sum_{n=1}^{2025} n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)(n+4)(n+5)

potent lotusBOT
ancient thistle
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lowercase s

potent lotusBOT
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kronium_

noble crown
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yes

ancient thistle
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okay so this is like

noble crown
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@flat gorge

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gave it to me

ancient thistle
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a long one

noble crown
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if Im not mistaken

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anyway

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you can do this with

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like this

ancient thistle
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you need to write out a hell of a lotta terms

noble crown
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[(n+5) - (n-1)] = 6

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right?

ancient thistle
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6?

noble crown
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no?

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oh yeah

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right

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6

ancient thistle
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yeah

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i thought it would be

noble crown
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tis 6

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ok

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so

ancient thistle
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which is like

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quite horrid

noble crown
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when u expand

ancient thistle
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but doable

noble crown
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u get

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direct cancellation

ancient thistle
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well

noble crown
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DIRECT CANCELLATION

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WHY IS THAT

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WHY

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WHY

ancient thistle
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only after 6 terms

noble crown
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no

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after the first time

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actually

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from the second term onwards

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u get cancellation

ancient thistle
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are you sure

noble crown
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well

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uh

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im not

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can u try it anyway

ancient thistle
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wait

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maybe i'm tripping

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i'm not actually checking any of this algebra

noble crown
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why

ancient thistle
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okay i think it might work

noble crown
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look

ancient thistle
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i'm just checking it in my head

noble crown
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n=1

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it would be

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uh

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6!

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120

ancient thistle
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yes

noble crown
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  • 0
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so at n = 1, A = 120

ancient thistle
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okay

noble crown
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n = 2

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7!

ancient thistle
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these numbers will get large quick

noble crown
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uhh

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smth

sinful field
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Hi I am new

noble crown
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wait no i messed up

noble crown
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i'll use geogebra

ancient thistle
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hmm

noble crown
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WAIT NO

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MB

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SORRY

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i meant to say

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we should use

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[(n+6) - (n-1)] = 7

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right

ancient thistle
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sure

noble crown
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ok so

sinful field
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I need help in statistique how too calculate a mediane

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Can I get help in it

ancient thistle
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,w expand C(n+7,7) - C(n+6,7)

noble crown
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ah

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wait no

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NO

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NO

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ITS WRONG

ancient thistle
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wolfram is so bad

noble crown
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I THOUGHT'D WE'D GET CANCELLATION

ancient thistle
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no you have to like

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write it differently

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this is annoying to type on a phone

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,w simplify (n + 7)(n + 6)(n + 5)(n + 4)(n + 3)(n + 2)(n + 1) - (n + 6)(n + 5)(n + 4)(n + 3)(n + 2)(n + 1)n

noble crown
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wait

ancient thistle
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okay this is just

noble crown
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ITS CORRECT

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ITS CORRECT

ancient thistle
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jesus

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there

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you do that thing

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so it's a shift by 1

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if you like

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do the algebra properly

noble crown
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look

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look at this

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original function is

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x(x+1)(x+2)(x+3)(x+4)(x+5)

ancient thistle
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yes

noble crown
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(x+6) - (x-1) = 7

ancient thistle
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and you take the difference of those two

noble crown
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when we multiply the original function

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by this

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we get 2 parts

ancient thistle
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there's two things and you take their difference

noble crown
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the function multiplied by (x+6) is called p(x)

ancient thistle
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and you get your function

noble crown
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the function multiplied by (x-1)

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is caolled q(x)

ancient thistle
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yes

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but the factors are shifted by 1

noble crown
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the function we want is p(x) - q(x)

ancient thistle
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going from p to q

noble crown
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and q(x) = p(x-1)

ancient thistle
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yes

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so there's cancellation

noble crown
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SEE

ancient thistle
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but because of the shift by 1

noble crown
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so theres cancellatiion

noble crown
ancient thistle
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no no

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between the p and the q

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it's a shift by 1

ancient thistle
noble crown
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YES BUT HOW DO U KNOW THE SHIFT

ancient thistle
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q is p shifted by 1

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well

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you wrote it

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you know the shift

noble crown
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without evaluating the TERMS

ancient thistle
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well

noble crown
ancient thistle
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the factors of p are like

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x up to (x+7)

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and the factors of q are (x-1) up to (x+6)

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so you can see the factors of q are the factors of p shifted down by 1

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that's why you get the equation q(x) = p(x - 1)

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and my point before is that it's the same for (k + 1/2) and (k - 1/2)

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you shift by 1

noble crown
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right

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ok coming back to our original summation

ancient thistle
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yes

noble crown
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,w expand (k+1)^5 - (k-1)^5

ancient thistle
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that'll give k^3

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the 4th powers cancel

noble crown
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ok

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now

ancient thistle
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okay now the 5th powers cancel

noble crown
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look

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ACTUALLy

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lets take yours

ancient thistle
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sure

noble crown
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,w expand (k+ 1/2)^5 - (k - 1/2)^5

ancient thistle
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so you get 5k^4

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5 times more than we need

noble crown
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we still have wait what

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WAIT

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HOW DO U GET 0

ancient thistle
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0?

noble crown
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i mean 1

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i mean 1

ancient thistle
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where about

noble crown
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1k^4

ancient thistle
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okay

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so

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you divide by 5

noble crown
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yes

ancient thistle
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,w expand 1/5((k+ 1/2)^5 - (k - 1/2)^5)

ancient thistle
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the 5 comes from the fact that we used 5th powers

noble crown
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yES

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BUT LISTEN

ancient thistle
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and binomial theorem

noble crown
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now shut up and listen

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what do we do

ancient thistle
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okay speak

noble crown
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about the k²/2 + 1/80

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HAHAHA

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the part u failed to mention

ancient thistle
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we will keep putting on terms

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to cancel them

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so for example

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,w expand (k+1/2)^3 - (k-1/2)^3

ancient thistle
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look

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we get a k^2 here right

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so if we subtract off the right amount of this from the previous terms

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we can get rid of the k^2/2

noble crown
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yes

ancient thistle
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,w expand 1/5((k+ 1/2)^5 - (k - 1/2)^5) - 1/6((k + 1/2)^3 - (k - 1/2)^3)

noble crown
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wait

noble crown
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so let me get this right

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wait

ancient thistle
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okay waiting

noble crown
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im about to write smth really long

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so please have patience

ancient thistle
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ok

noble crown
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$\sum_{i=1}^{n} i^4 = \frac{1}{5} \sum_{i=1}^{n} (i+\frac{1}{2})^5 - (i-\frac{1}{5})^5 \quad - \frac{1}{2} \sum_{i=1}^{n} i^2 \quad - n/80$

ancient thistle
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ayo

noble crown
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is this correct

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LIKE U can evaluate those stuff

ancient thistle
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yes

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you can

noble crown
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and make another summation to evalutate that k²/2

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and then subtract that from the original

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and do the same for the constant

ancient thistle
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yes

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exactly

ancient thistle
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i think that's probably a 1/2 not a 1/10

noble crown
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we are dividing the original equation by a 5 along with that right

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cuz

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its

ancient thistle
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well

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not really

noble crown
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(1/5) (k + 0.5)^5 - (k-0.5)^5

ancient thistle
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it's already divided

noble crown
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no

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I kept the constants different

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the first 1/5 is only for that specific sum

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not distributed

ancient thistle
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yeah i know

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,w expand 1/5((k+ 1/2)^5 - (k - 1/2)^5)

ancient thistle
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but you see here

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we get k^2/2

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and 1/80

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but it's already been divided by 5

noble crown
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yes

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but

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oh

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right

ancient thistle
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agreed?

noble crown
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yeah

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mb

ancient thistle
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great

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but yeah you got the idea

potent lotusBOT
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kronium_

ancient thistle
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if you want to just sum the i^2 sum by itself you can

noble crown
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ik

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its

ancient thistle
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the usual

noble crown
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(i)(i+1)(2i+1)/6

ancient thistle
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ye

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n

noble crown
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yes

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n

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anyway

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are people expected to remember the formula for

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i^4

ancient thistle
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uh

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idk

noble crown
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like

ancient thistle
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maybe not?

noble crown
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we are expected to memorize the quadratic equation but not the cubic equation

ancient thistle
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its not like you'll spend forever rederiving it

noble crown
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same way what about i^4

ancient thistle
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like

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the method you've seen now

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and you can just do it

noble crown
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k'

ancient thistle
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but like

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if you use it a couple times

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i'm sure it'll stick in your head

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can't be that hard to remember

noble crown
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k

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alright thx

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i got maths exam tmrw

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i gotta study for it

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and this is not even taught in school this year

ancient thistle
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ok

noble crown
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hahaha 🤡

ancient thistle
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well

noble crown
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nah im pretty much thorough

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with everything

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aside from statistics

ancient thistle
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ok

noble crown
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the only thing I fear

ancient thistle
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not just you

noble crown
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u wanna see our question paper?

ancient thistle
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uh

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idk do i

noble crown
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average question

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anyway

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thx for the help

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i gotta go study now

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hello

calm coralBOT
sturdy edge
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if AUB={1,2,3,4,5} and A∩B ={3} where A= {1,3,x} find the possible values of x in set A

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x can be 2,4,5 right?

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my ans key only shows 4 or 5

rustic osprey
sturdy edge
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wait

dull wagon
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um, the whole question seems inconsistent

sturdy edge
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I meant intersection for the 2nd one

dull wagon
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ah

sturdy edge
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sorry

silver tapir
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what is the original question

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can u edit it

sturdy edge
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yes one moment

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done

silver tapir
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Ok

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i think you're correct

dull wagon
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yeh, the values don't need to be ordered. its possible for x to be 2

sturdy edge
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solution: since A Union B includes all elements 1,2,3,4,5 , the missing element must be covered by B and any choice of x. For A={1,3,x} , the values of x could be 4 or 5 for AUB to cover all required elements

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that's the explanation

sturdy edge
silver tapir
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I think they won't consider it bcz 3>2

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that seems the only reason to include 4 and 5 and not 2

sturdy edge
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but order doesn't matter ?

silver tapir
sturdy edge
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the question should explictely state that order matters or something

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mb ask ur professor or teacher

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if i have three vectors $$ l_i i cap, m_i j cap , n_i k cap, i = 1,2,3$$ they are all mutually perpendicular unit vectors

earnest heath
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how do i prove

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that

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is also

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mutally prepndicular

potent lotusBOT
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lakshya

earnest heath
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and unit vectors

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<@&286206848099549185>

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@earnest heath Has your question been resolved?

earnest heath
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i cap j cap k cap

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how u resemble vectors

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in x y and z

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axis

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$$i^{}$$

potent lotusBOT
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lakshya

earnest heath
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$i^{\wedge}$

potent lotusBOT
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lakshya

earnest heath
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idk whateer

exotic cosmos
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$\hat{\textbf{\j}}$

earnest heath
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oh yea

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that

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so do u know?

potent lotusBOT
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i don't even understand your question lol

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prove that lines with direction ratios $$l_1,l_2,l_3; m_1,m_2,m_3 ; l_3,m_3,n_3 $$are also mutually perpendicular

dawn canopy
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also prove that those direction ratios are direction cosines...

dawn canopy
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you could prove it by proving the angle between them to be 90deg

dawn canopy
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look up the formula for finding the angle

earnest heath
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...

dawn canopy
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either be more clear about your problem

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  • speaking of which what have you tried
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if you know the formula, it's clear it can't be done with the formula alone... anyway the formula is $$ cos(\theta) = l_1.l_2+m_1.m_2+n_1.n_2 $$ where $$l_1,l_2...$$ are direction cosines

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lakshya

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that's not the formula

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yes it is

dawn canopy
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can you put your question in a single paragraph

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i've an idea, for proving you could try proving an intermediate step

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and then connect those two