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fiery crater
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you're right, the problem doesn't really make sense like this

sudden sluice
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ill ask her tmrw

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albeit we have a test ;c

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placid raptor
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I’m learning how to solve exact differential equations in my diff eq class. I solved this but got the wrong answer, and I have the right answer to the side of the page. Where did I go wrong with my math?

leaden thunder
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Ahh oh my god I see my mistake

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karmic swift
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i see the right triangle is a 30-60-90 and i have the bottom equal to 4 and the side is 4root3. would i use the pythagorean theorem to find the bottom of the other triangle? follow up question if im trying to find angle A once i know all the side lengths would sine be the best option?

karmic swift
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yes

ripe python
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We'll keep it really simple

karmic swift
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i’m trying to find the sides first and then i use sine cos tan

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unless i’m making it to complicated

ripe python
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Actually wait I thought of the question differently

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Give me some time

karmic swift
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ok ok thank you for helping

jolly pilot
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your method looks almost correct, except, the bottom side is not 4. You can re check which side on 30-60-90 is half the hypotenuse

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|| its the red ||

ripe python
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Are you seeing how can we do it?

karmic swift
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is it by using the 30-60-90 triangle method?

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like x 2x and x root 3

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?

ripe python
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Like we can do that certainly

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I've been rusty on this method

karmic swift
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so would i find x by dividing 8? since the 8 side is 2x

ripe python
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So you tell me what'll be the length of the red line if we take the right triangle

karmic swift
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i got 4 root3

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or 6.9

ripe python
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And the bottom one?

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4?

karmic swift
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yeah 4

ripe python
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It'll be reversed

karmic swift
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can you explain that?

ripe python
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The red line is 4 and the bottom is 4√3

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Do you know normal trigonometry?

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I'd like to go that path to explain

karmic swift
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ohh

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i just looked at my drawing of it i see why

ripe python
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Yeah

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you got it

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The red line's 4

karmic swift
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ok yeah so the red line is 4

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and to find the last missing side of use the pythagorean theorem correct?

ripe python
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We don't need to

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We need angle A

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can we write sin A = 4/5

karmic swift
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oh shit

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sorry i’m just so used to finding every side

ripe python
ripe python
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It'll take our time for no apparent reason

karmic swift
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true

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and for the angle i think i use the tan -1

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sorry sine -1

ripe python
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Exactly

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That's your answer

karmic swift
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ok i see now but i have another question about a different homework if that’s ok to ask?

ripe python
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Sure thing

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I'll help if I'm able

karmic swift
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i don’t know if i worded that question correctly

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actually wait it’s like to hard to explain over text

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i’ll just ask my teacher tbh sorry to take up your time on that part but thank you for the original help

ripe python
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It's completely alright

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Glad to help!

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minor scroll
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For number 29, can I choose any two vectors with the same starting point, i.e., either RQ and RP, QR and QP, or PQ and PR?
Also, how would I tell the order in which I would calculate the cross-product? Meaning, how would I tell, for example, if I should do RP x RQ or if I should do RQ x RP?

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swift laurel
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the order doesn't matter. the only difference would be that RP x RQ = -(RQ x RP), but you are taking the magnitude so it doesn't affect the final result

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and you can choose any two vectors, even without the same starting point, since if you take the negative of one you're guaranteed to end up with the same starting point (and that would only add a - to the cross product vector, which we take the magnitude of)

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grizzled temple
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grizzled temple
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i just have a question for a)

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how do i show that it is odd

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like

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can i just say that

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since all the powers of x are odd

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therefore the polynomial

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is odd

lost quest
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yea thats a way but proper would be P(-x)=-P(x)

grizzled temple
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ohhh

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okok thank u

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uncut topaz
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Hi I'm working through practice algebra problems. I don't understand how this algebraic expression was reached to get the answer. Why is it all equal to 9 and why did they pick 3.5, 1.8, and 3.5?

uncut topaz
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Also, I think it supposed to read "calculate the thickness of the inner walls" not "rooms"

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viscid yoke
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Help please

calm coralBOT
viscid yoke
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I’m lost

uneven shell
eternal shard
viscid yoke
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no 😦

potent lotusBOT
eternal shard
viscid yoke
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what does that mean

eternal shard
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what

viscid yoke
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how do i use that

eternal shard
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Assume at A your have the angle alpha = 52°

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Then the length a would be CB = a

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At B you have beta = 25° and length AC = b

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At C you have gamma = 103° and length AB = 55

viscid yoke
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right but what am i trying to find for a,b

eternal shard
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,, \frac{\sin 52^\circ}{a} = \frac{\sin 25^\circ}{b} = \frac{\sin 103^\circ}{55}

potent lotusBOT
eternal shard
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You basically have two equation to solve for

viscid yoke
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how do i do that

potent lotusBOT
eternal shard
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Now take a calculator and solve for a and b

viscid yoke
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i cant put an = sign in my calc. btw im stupid

eternal shard
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bro

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I meant with calculator the sine expressions

viscid yoke
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?

eternal shard
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what

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what is sin(52°)

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in your you calculator

viscid yoke
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.788

eternal shard
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ok

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tell me the rest

viscid yoke
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idfk

eternal shard
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sin(103°)?

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sin(25°)?

viscid yoke
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.974

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.423

eternal shard
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see

viscid yoke
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?

potent lotusBOT
viscid yoke
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oh

eternal shard
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still lost?

viscid yoke
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yes

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lol

eternal shard
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You can do now cross multiplication

potent lotusBOT
viscid yoke
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44.497

eternal shard
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Now you can divide by 0.974

viscid yoke
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23.886

potent lotusBOT
eternal shard
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If you use your calculator you should get it

viscid yoke
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44.497 = a

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23.886 = b

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???

eternal shard
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???

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a or b bro

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which is which

viscid yoke
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do u see now?

eternal shard
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yea

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looks good

viscid yoke
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YAY

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ty pookie

eternal shard
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💀

viscid yoke
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xoxoxo

eternal shard
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yw

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viscid yoke
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Helpppp

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remote mural
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post question

viscid yoke
remote mural
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nvm

viscid yoke
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I’m on my last attempt

leaden thunder
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,tex .sine law

potent lotusBOT
viscid yoke
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Bro I tried

leaden thunder
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show how you got your numbers

viscid yoke
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I didn’t write it down

leaden thunder
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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do it again and type it here

viscid yoke
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Bro I tried so many times

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I’m just lost

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124.4
32.6
16.4

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This is what I got

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@eternal shard

eternal shard
viscid yoke
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He not responding

eternal shard
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just show your work

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or do it again

viscid yoke
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It’s on my calc

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I did

eternal shard
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lmao i wont walk you through again

viscid yoke
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Can you just fact check my answer

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124.4
32.6
16.4

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@eternal shard

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viscid yoke
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Help please

calm coralBOT
viscid yoke
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On both

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ello?

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@leaden thunder @eternal shard

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scarlet saddle
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wanton spear
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How far did you get on your own?

scarlet saddle
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sorry not e, D

wanton spear
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Are there any you can eliminate as false?

scarlet saddle
wanton spear
scarlet saddle
wanton spear
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What does perpendicular mean to you?

scarlet saddle
wanton spear
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Ah

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So you might want to review your notes for what perpendicular means

scarlet saddle
wanton spear
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Oh well
Perpendicular means at a right angle

scarlet saddle
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so d is false

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A is true

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A

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B

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thats it?

wanton spear
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What do you think about E?

scarlet saddle
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its equal

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since cb and bc is cd

wanton spear
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?

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Just so I can have some context
Have you heard of the triangle inequality?

wanton spear
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(also, in the context of E, CB,CD, and BD are referring to the lengths of lines)

wanton spear
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Are you sure this question is meant for you?
Cause I'd expect this question to be presented to someone who has heard of perpendicular and of the triangle inequality

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But also, take this

wanton spear
scarlet saddle
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i get it

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thx

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wait what is C called?

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in the triangle inequality thereom

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idle pollen
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can combine equations like 2x+3-1x(x) = 3x?

grand trellis
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Yes

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Distribute the -1x across x

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So

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-1x(x) = -x^2

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Then

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Substitute back into the equation

idle pollen
grand trellis
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You would come out with something different

grand trellis
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Can you provide more context

idle pollen
grand trellis
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I have the answer

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Its -x^2 - x + 3 = 0

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There you do

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idle pollen
grand trellis
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Can you give me a better question

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Please

idle pollen
grand trellis
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Goodbye

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drowsy crag
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Im stuck on where to begin with this

calm coralBOT
drowsy crag
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im wondering how it would be possible to answer this with being given any info other than time traveled

rapid cliff
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let's begin by marking on the speeds for each leg of Nemo's journey

drowsy crag
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ive done that

rapid cliff
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ok, since he only walks in cardinal directions, we can simplify the problem into a two legs from A to B, the first north, the second West.

drowsy crag
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what would that look like?

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just a long leg north and then a short leg west

rapid cliff
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yep

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then the same back to A

drowsy crag
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ok but how do i determine the distance of the path that we just made

tall folio
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Hi can someone explain parabole

rapid cliff
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now, let's suppose the length of the north/south path is N, and the length of the east/west path is E.

rapid cliff
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drowsy crag
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ok

drowsy crag
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how do we determine distance travleed from that'

rapid cliff
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I've also added points P and Q, because they might be useful

drowsy crag
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going up would be west wouldnt it

rapid cliff
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(it doesn't matter if he goes north/south before east/west)

drowsy crag
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oh

rapid cliff
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for simplicity, I've said he goes west to P, then north to B, then south to Q, then east back to A

drowsy crag
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oh ok

rapid cliff
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so, the length of the path from A to B is clearly (E + N), but we want to find this in numbers.

drowsy crag
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right

rapid cliff
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let's also give some names to the times for each leg.
Let's say TN is the time for the north/south legs, TE is the time for the eastern leg, and TW is the time for the western leg.

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(we don't need different north vs south times, because theyr'e the same, because he travels at the same speed for the same distance on these legs).

drowsy crag
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ok

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ive wrote those down

rapid cliff
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now we can calculate the time taken for him to complete each leg.
For example, the time for the north/south legs is N/4

drowsy crag
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so 1 hour?

rapid cliff
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we don't know the distances, so we can't quite yet give them values.

drowsy crag
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oh ok

rapid cliff
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Let's just look at his first leg, A to P.
The distance is E km, and his speed is 6 km/h, so it would take him TW = E/6 h (hours).
We need to do the same for TN and TE.

drowsy crag
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divide all directions by 6 hours?

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or the km/h values of each one

rapid cliff
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the speeds (km/h values) for each leg.

drowsy crag
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ok did it

rapid cliff
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you have this?

  • AP: distance = E km, speed = 6 km/h, so time = E/6 h
  • PB: distance = N km, speed = 4 km/h, so time = N/4 h
  • BQ: distance = E km, speed = 3 km/h, so time = E/3 h
  • QA: distance = N km, speed = 4 km/h, so time = N/4 h
drowsy crag
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yes

rapid cliff
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Cool. And we know the total time is 6 hours, which means E/6 + N/4 + E/3 + N/4 = 6.

drowsy crag
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is the first e/4 supposed to be e/6

rapid cliff
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yes, good catch

drowsy crag
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ok i got that down

rapid cliff
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can you simplify that?

drowsy crag
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i think so'

rapid cliff
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it simplifies to something very nice

drowsy crag
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i cant figure what it simplifies to

rapid cliff
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start by grouping the E terms separate from the N terms

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E × (???) + N × (???) = 6

drowsy crag
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do i multiply both terms

rapid cliff
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what have you got so far?

drowsy crag
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E/6 + N/4 + E/3 + N/4 = 6

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i have this but im stuck at that

rapid cliff
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ok, first rearange the order in which things are added so we have Es first, and Ns second.

drowsy crag
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E/6 + E/3 + N/4 + N/4 = 6

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thats what i have now

rapid cliff
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yep, and now factor out the E from the first two terms, and the N from the second two terms

drowsy crag
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can u show

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an example

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if possible

rapid cliff
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$$\frac{x}{2} + \frac{x}{3} + \frac{y}{4} + \frac{y}{4} = x \left(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3}\right) + y \left( \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{4}\right)$$

potent lotusBOT
drowsy crag
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ah i get it

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ok i got that down

rapid cliff
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and now you can evaluate what's in the brackets.

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for example;

drowsy crag
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i got 1/2 in both brackets after simplifying

rapid cliff
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$$x \left(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3}\right) + y \left( \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{4}\right) = x \left( \frac{5}{6} \right) + y \left( \frac{1}{2} \right)$$

potent lotusBOT
rapid cliff
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So, you now have $E \frac{1}{2} + N \frac{1}{2} = 6$. Can you simplify it any further?

potent lotusBOT
drowsy crag
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not sure

rapid cliff
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(ignore that last message XD)

drowsy crag
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i dont know how to simplify further

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would i be able to move N1/2 to the other side

rapid cliff
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you could get rid of the 1/2 on the left side.

drowsy crag
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divide?

rapid cliff
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by what?

drowsy crag
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1/2

rapid cliff
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yep 🙂

drowsy crag
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does it get rid of both

rapid cliff
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try it

drowsy crag
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idk

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its not working for me

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can u show

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example

rapid cliff
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$$x \left( \frac{5}{6} \right) + y \left( \frac{1}{2} \right) = 3 \quad(\times 6)\qquad\implies\qquad 5x + 3y = 18$$

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drowsy crag
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so do i multiply both sides by 2

rapid cliff
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multiplying by 2 and dividing by 1/2 is actually the same thing

drowsy crag
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oh ok

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so i just have E +N =12

rapid cliff
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yep 🙂

drowsy crag
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thats the total distance right

rapid cliff
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yep, the total distance must be 12 km, even though we don't know how much of that is in which direction.

drowsy crag
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thats from A to B right

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not there and back

rapid cliff
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that's A to B and back to A

drowsy crag
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oh ok

rapid cliff
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so, the distance from A to B (question 1) is?

drowsy crag
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6

rapid cliff
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yep 🙂

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nice one.

drowsy crag
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i appreciate u so much

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would u wanna help with 2

rapid cliff
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sure

drowsy crag
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thank you

rapid cliff
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Now, instead of looking at distances, I'm going to switch to looking at displacements (which are distances in a direction).

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or, let me work this through and see if there's an easier way

drowsy crag
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sounds good

rapid cliff
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yep, got it

drowsy crag
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ok perfect

rapid cliff
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so, we know E + N = 12.

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Or, respectively W + N = 12 (because B might be west-ish of A)

drowsy crag
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yup

rapid cliff
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so, let's look at the first one. we can have any combination of north and east, so long as the total distance is 12 km. let's look at if the E = 0, or N = 0.

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if E = 0, then N = 12. and if N = 0, then E = 0.

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i.e. he walks in a straight line.

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what direction could A to B be, which would mean his speed would be fastest?

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by which i mean, is directly east fastest, or maybe directly north, or maybe a little bit of both?

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11km north

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1km east

rapid cliff
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what if A to B is directly north, so no east leg?

drowsy crag
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that would be the fastest

rapid cliff
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cool. So, if it is directly north, and he travels 6 km (as we determined in question 1), how long would it take him to get there?

drowsy crag
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1 hour

rapid cliff
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nope. what's his northerly speed?

drowsy crag
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4km/h my bad

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its would take 1hr 30min

rapid cliff
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yep

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and it would be the same if B was directly south of A (because his southerly speed is the same as his northerly speed)

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So, what's the slowest direction A to B could be in?

drowsy crag
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12km east

rapid cliff
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yep, which would take how long?

drowsy crag
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2 hours for 6km

rapid cliff
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yep

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now, let's look at if B is instead westerly of A.

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again, the northerly / southerly time would be 1 hour 30 minutes. What about if A to B is directly west?

drowsy crag
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1 hour

fair charm
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in help guys i cant think of anything

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yep, cool. So the fastest time he could do it is 1 hour, and the slowest is 2 hours.

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which doesn't make sense now I think about it. one second

drowsy crag
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were we supposed to use west

rapid cliff
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if A is north of B: distance = 6, speed = 4, time = 1.5
return: distance = 6, speed = 4, time = 1.5
total time = 3 hours
THONK

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i've screwed up somewhere XD

drowsy crag
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in the first question?

rapid cliff
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oh, it's 12 km from A to B.

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that's why

drowsy crag
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so is it 24k total then

rapid cliff
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yep

drowsy crag
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okok

rapid cliff
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I mixed up total time with distance from A to B.

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nvm

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so, the fastest direction A to B could be is directly west, which would mean it would take how long?

drowsy crag
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2 hours

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4 hours

rapid cliff
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yep, and the slowest direction is directly east, which could take how long?

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ye, 4 hours XD

drowsy crag
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haha

rapid cliff
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and that's the answer to question 2 🙂

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it would take between 2 and 4 hours to get from A to B.

drowsy crag
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perfect thank you alot

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drowsy crag
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do you get paid

rapid cliff
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you're the second person to offer XD
I don't but maybe I should start properly tutoring.

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you're good XD

drowsy crag
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you really should

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cus i could not find an answer to this anywhere

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thanks ❤️

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can someone explain the best method and explanation for b)?

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since turning points are symmetrical for this function

pallid halo
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the two turning points are not of the form -k and k though

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they're both positive

boreal rose
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oh yikes

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my bad

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i just assumed it was idk why

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in that case u just find maximum turning point

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IS 12.65 m CORRECT PLZ I HAVE MY LAST CHANCE

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D:

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What's A, B, and C?
Hint: A = (-10, 4)

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Then, calculate A - B - C
Hint: (Ax, Ay) - (Bx, By) = (Ax-Bx, Ay-By)

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Then calculate the magnitude.
Hint: |(x, y)| = sqrt( x^2 + y^2 )

halcyon ore
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so b is

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8,8

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?

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halcyon ore
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uh'

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i got 29.73

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with those points

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what have you got for A-B-C?

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i m so srry

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but can someone explain this for me

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like i got down si prefixes but

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why are we cubing these and 1milliter = 100cm?

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i thought 1 mililiter was 10^-3

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and centi would be 10^-2 like wot

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Or are these just different

pure kayak
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theyre not denying what you said at all
1mm=10^(-3)m
1cm=10^(-2)m

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ie 1m=1000cm
1m=100cm

swift laurel
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100 cm = 1m
(100 cm)^3 = (1m)^3
100^3 cm^3 = 1 m^3

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so one cubic meter is actually 100^3 cm^3 = 1000000 cm^3

halcyon ore
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Ohhhhhh

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It just says it different way ok

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Got it thanks

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wati

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so 1cm is not 10^-2 cm

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1 cm is just 1 cm

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can i convert b/w anything in si prefixes?

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it kind of messing with my mind lol

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like 0.01 is just the multiplier

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.close im idiot lol

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i’m confused is this right?

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,,ccw

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☠ cjtx Σ

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oops

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,cw

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erm

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,rccw

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there

vernal portal
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yes its right

ionic lake
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how do i find the horizontal asymptote?

vernal portal
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what value can't f(x) be

ionic lake
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0

vernal portal
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yes

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so the horizontal asymptote is just

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y = 0

ionic lake
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so

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inversely could i say this?

vernal portal
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yes

ionic lake
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so the end behavior is dependent on the horizontal asymptote?

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or it will approach the horizontal asymptote?

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when the limit of a function as x approaches a value is infinity, you conclude about existence of a vertical asymptote

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when the limit of a function as x approaches infinity is a finite value, you conclude about existence of a horizontal asymptote

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omfg thank you

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lowkey just saved me

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my teacher never really went over it she kinda just does it and expects us to see the pattern, despite the fact that she has only done like 3

strange tinsel
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lol

ionic lake
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ty!

strange tinsel
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$\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x) = a \quad \implies $ y=a is a horizontal asymptote of $(C_f)$ at $\infty$

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$\lim_{x \to a} f(x) = \infty \quad \implies $ x=a is a vertical asymptote of $(C_f)$

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also worth noting if the limit is infinity or -infinity on just one side of a (not necessarily both), usually you still say there is an asymptote there

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like with log

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or something piecewise defined by 1/x on the left and whatever on the right

strange tinsel
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true, lemme edit it rq

graceful dust
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oh you don't have to, what you said is still right

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i was just pointing out the converse isn't true

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$\lim_{x \to \infty} f(x) = a \quad \implies $ y=a is a horizontal asymptote of $(C_f)$ at $\infty
\ $\lim_{x \to -\infty} f(x) = a \quad \implies $ y=a is a horizontal asymptote of $(C_f)$ at $(-\infty) \ \
$\lim_{x \to a^{\pm}} f(x) = \pm \infty \quad \implies $ x=a is a vertical asymptote of $(C_f)$

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😛

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also fair haha

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why does adding these turn the denominator from -25+10h into 25-10h?

flat tendon
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notice the minus before the fraction

remote mural
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do you know why that is?

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its not trivial why they did so

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could be purely for esthetic reasons

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I’m having trouble seeing where I went wrong for this vector problem

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It’s asking for the resulting vector R and I took the components of X and H for each, added them and then put them into the Pythagorean theorem

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Is that not what I’m suppose to do in this situation?

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Yep, that's it

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Maybe check calculations again

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And look carefully at vector C, for the x-component you'll have to use sin(thetaC) and not cos

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Same goes for its y-component

tulip lantern
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How do you know which to use for what

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I figured it out but I’m missing something now

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I have all the numbers for the components and the results but I can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong when I’m finding theta

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Is it not just arctan (y/x)?

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Could someone help me

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steady girder
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This related rates question

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I tried evaluating cos(theta) = base/hypotenuse

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Then take derivative

hasty fiber
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so far so good

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i probably wouldn't use cos (you don't know the horizontal distance) but it works

idle pollen
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is there equations like 2d+ 2d = 4d?

hasty fiber
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you can use any of them

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but tan would be my first pick

steady girder
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Got this equation

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To let x go to 700 and let theta be 45

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Am I on the right track

hasty fiber
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i'm not sure i see where that equation comes from

steady girder
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Tan(theta) = y/x

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X is same thing as base

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I just wrote it was that

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Then we can rewrite it to be in terms of x = y/tan(theta)

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X= 4/tan(theta)

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i don't know if that step is necessary

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I’m gonna skip the question and just take the B on the assignment

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can someone help me with a couple of these

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starting with 40 please help!!!

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i have a general grasp i just need some help

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for 40 you should put a x value that is a little bit bigger than 1 right?

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some value like 1.0000001

limber zenith
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lets just use

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2

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so

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4/-1

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and thats negative

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so negative infity?

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limber zenith
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ok so whenever its a negative value its just negative infinity for these ones?

naive escarp
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when it is negative and when denominator is approaching to 0 (and numerator is not approaching to 0)

limber zenith
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ok

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would 42 just be 1/2

naive escarp
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yes

limber zenith
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as it is larger than -1/2

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and that would be 1/3

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if i plug in zero

naive escarp
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if you plug 0 than denominator is negative but if you plug 1/2 denominator is 0

limber zenith
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i thought it just had to be a value greater?

naive escarp
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think if you gut a value like -0.499999, you would get a negative denominator but still very near to 0

limber zenith
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but its just a value greater thatn -1/2?

naive escarp
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oh 1min I think I did not see the minus

limber zenith
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so that is right

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or nah

naive escarp
limber zenith
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but if you plug in 0

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its just -1/-3

naive escarp
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but you can still get more near to -0.5 than 0

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frist plug -0.5 what do you get

limber zenith
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ohh ok

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something over 0

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do i need to find numerator

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0/0

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so direct sub fails

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now i plug insomething close but greater than -1/2?

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if it is 0/0 then you can use L'Hospital or try to simplify it (get rid of the coefficients that makes it 0/0)

limber zenith
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we havent learned that yet sadly

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im in calc ab

naive escarp
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but you can factor it right?

limber zenith
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oh ye

naive escarp
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factor and simplify

limber zenith
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got to

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3x-1

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over 2x-3

naive escarp
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now plug -0.5

naive escarp
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-2.5/-4

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2.5/4

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and thats the answer?

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oh

naive escarp
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yes

limber zenith
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so

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pos inf?

naive escarp
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nope, denominator is not 0 after simplifying

limber zenith
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but for 40

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40 the denominator was -1

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and we said it was neg inf

naive escarp
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for 40 we first plug 1 and we get 0 at denominator than we put a value bigger than 1 (2) to find signs of numerator and denominator

limber zenith
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oh i see

limber zenith
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we did the same thing on 44

naive escarp
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44 is 0/0 so we had to simplify first

limber zenith
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so when the denom is 0 but numerator isnt after simplifying and what not you do either pos or neg inf?

naive escarp
limber zenith
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ok

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thats so confusing lol

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46 is lightwork

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just 1/2

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1/9***

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  1. Plug the given value to see if it is 0/0 or not
  2. If it is 0/0 then simplify and plug the given value, you found the answer
  3. If it is x/0 (x is not 0) then plug another compatible value to find signs and answer is either pos or neg inf
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thank you

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you're welcome

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did my teacher make a mistake? how is q'(0) = 1/2??

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shouldnt it be 0

sharp junco
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yeah q'(0) should be 0

manic monolith
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does everything else look good aside from that?

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everything else looks right

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b) set up the integral that will find the volume of the solid generated by revolving the region about the x-axis
c) use disk/washer method to write the integral(s) that will compute the volume of the solid generated when the region is rotated about the y-axis
d) use shell method to write the integral(s) that will compute the volume of the solid formed when this region is rotated about the y-axis
e) set up the integral that will compute the volume of the solid generated by revolving the region about the line y=6
f) set up the integral that will compute the volume of the solid generated by revolving the region about the line x=3

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I only need help with e and f. I would appreciate verification for the rest

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im a little rusty on volume bc i havent studied it sincel last year

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but i can try

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are the bounds on your final answer from c 0 to 1?

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The bounds for part c) are [0,5] though

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i could be wrong but wont c need two integrals as indicated by the question having that s at the end

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from 0 to 5 you can just use y/5 and from 5 to 6 you can just use sqrt(6-y)

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Yes

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iirc, you are using disk/washer in part (b) and (c) right?

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:(

pearl skiff
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if that's the case, (c) would be incorrect

wraith shuttle
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well

pearl skiff
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yea?

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I was just saying well to express my disappointment

pearl skiff
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oh well

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I skipped it tbh

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ah

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I did the rest of what I needed to

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i see i see

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lemme try to draw something

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Is part d at least correct?

pearl skiff
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so, iirc, this would be disk/washer, right?

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if thatst the case, you'll have to split into two integrals

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So

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Sorry, should it be minus

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Hello

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How do I do 5c)?

swift laurel
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first factor the denominator

astral mural
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Newton's Method of factorization?

swift laurel
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you can try grouping terms

astral mural
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Like howww

swift laurel
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x^3 - x + x^2 - 1

astral mural
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What next tho

swift laurel
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notice any common factors?

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(x - 1)(x + 1)?

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x(x^2 - 1)?

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Oh

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(x^2 - 1)(x + 1)?

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(x - 1)(x + 1)^2

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great, now you can use that

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wild marten
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Hi, Im learning fixed point iteration and I have a question regarding the convergence theorem:

The theorem states that if |g'(root)| < 1 then a fixed point exists. Does this mean I need to know the root to test out convergence?

old falcon
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well, lets say it more clearly as you'd need a neighborhood

wild marten
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So like somewhere around the root

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but not exactly the root

old falcon
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yea, if you know that some region contains a root

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and the condition is satisfied there

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then youre good

wild marten
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Ok so I would just plug in a number above and under, and if its less than 1 then the function converges?

old falcon
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ideally you should be able to calculate |g'|

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and bound it on that interval

wild marten
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So lets say im trying to solve this:

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I narrow it down to two g(x) equations

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How would I know which one converges?

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Take the derivitive and plug in random numbers near a root?

old falcon
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you have two equations there

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whats your candidate region

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something to start with

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you have a rough idea where the root is?

wild marten
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No clue

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the question is to find the root with around a 5% relitive error

old falcon
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lets say it werent +1

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x^3+2x

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wheres the root

wild marten
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0?

old falcon
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yea

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now i add one

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which direction does the root go

wild marten
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Gets higher

old falcon
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youre thinking the function is moving up the y axis

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an dyoure right

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but im asking about the x intercept

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not the y intercept

wild marten
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oh hmm

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It converges lower then im guessing because its moving up in the y axies

old falcon
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the root moves to a more negative number right

wild marten
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Yeah

old falcon
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okay

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lets take a shoot in the dark

wild marten
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wait yeah x^3+2x=-1

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-1 and 0 as intervals?

old falcon
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yea i think thats a pretty good guess

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i mean we could check like

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at x=-1

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x^3 +2x + 1 is like

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-1 -2 + 1

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so -2

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so theres a sign change somewhere in there

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okay, candidate region (-1, 0)

wild marten
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Makes sense, use ivt to find one pos one neg and so the root it somewhere in the middle

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Alr

old falcon
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try to look at their magnitude on this region

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lets start with the easier one

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$\frac{1+x^3}{2}$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

wild marten
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Dont forget the neg

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lmao I did that twice

old falcon
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actually, well be looking at the magnitude

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so it wont matter

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but good point

wild marten
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Yeah makes sense

old falcon
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$\qty| \frac{1+x^3}{2} |$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

wild marten
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ok cool

old falcon
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okay, now we gotta answer

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whats the biggest this can be

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we get to pick any x between -1 and 0

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how big can we make it

wild marten
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oh 0

old falcon
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yea, i think so

wild marten
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so 1/2

old falcon
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because x^3 is gonna go from ... 0 to -1

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so it cant possibly be any bigger than 1/2

wild marten
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yup

old falcon
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oh but we want g' bearlain

wild marten
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lmaoo

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i mean thats light

old falcon
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you maybe see the game, now

wild marten
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1/2+x^3/2

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3/2x(^2)

old falcon
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what do you think

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3/2 x^2 on that region

wild marten
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I forgor latex any shot you can put it in the cool fraction thing

old falcon
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we wanna make it as big as possible

wild marten
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-1

old falcon
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$\qty| \frac 32 x^2 |$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

wild marten
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Yeah -1 would be the biggest

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so you get 3/2

old falcon
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what value does it take there

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yea

wild marten
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which is >1

old falcon
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it is

wild marten
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so it diverges?

old falcon
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with this region

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we have choices

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we can refine the region

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you might use something like, bisection

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what you do is take your region

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-1 to 0

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and you turn this into two regions

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-1 to -1/2 and -1/2 to 0

wild marten
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find where the root is and refine bounds

old falcon
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yea, halve the region

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and hope it helps

wild marten
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Ik bisection lol im trying to learn this one :(

old falcon
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thats fine, were just using it to help ourselves

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it wont answer the question for us

wild marten
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im lost as to how I am supposed to test for convergance

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without like

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trying so many bounds

old falcon
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okay, lets say the region is -1/2 to 0

wild marten
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ok

old falcon
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maybe we check the value of the function at -1/4 and -3/4

wild marten
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0 becomes 0 so thats good

old falcon
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whats 1/2 become

wild marten
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1/2 becomes like

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.5/2

old falcon
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no

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$\frac 32 x^2$

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this is g'

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

old falcon
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whats g'(-1/2)

wild marten
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1.5/2

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so

old falcon
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no

wild marten
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.75

old falcon
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its not

wild marten
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wait am i tripping

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3*.5 = 1.5

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1.5/2 = 0.75

old falcon
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$\frac 32 \qty( - \frac 12 )^2$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

old falcon
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3/8

wild marten
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bro i forgot to ^2

old falcon
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thats fine

wild marten
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ok continue

old falcon
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well, were done

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this is as big as g' can be

wild marten
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ok yeah its less than 1

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so it exists in that point

old falcon
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so assuming the root is actually between -1/2 and 0

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this will converge

wild marten
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ok wait so

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this is what my book says

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just so im understanding, for every time i used fixed point itteration

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I find the seperate equations

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find as close an interval around the root as I can get

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and see if it converges via the derivitive?

old falcon
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we're kind of doing it backwards, but this is easier to understand

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at least with the intervals

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whatd you probably like to do instead is to start with $g' = \frac 32 x^2$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

old falcon
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and find where the magnitude of this is under 1

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then, go searching for a root

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because now you know where it has to be

wild marten
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ohhhhh

old falcon
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unless you otherwise know where it is already

wild marten
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but some equations always diverge right

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oh wait

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can i plug my starting guess in to see if it diverges?

old falcon
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like to test?

wild marten
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yes

old falcon
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i would just code it lol

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or use a calculator

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theres plenty pre-coded

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or maybe youve made one

wild marten
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For a midterm or exams lol

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I matlabed this

old falcon
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they can be screwy

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i mean iterative methods

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they might act really strangely

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thats the hard part

wild marten
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Like will the left function always diverge

old falcon
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it might look like its converging then do something wacky

wild marten
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or is there a starting guess I could have used to make it converge

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thats kinda my question

old falcon
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sorry whats the left one lmc

wild marten
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cubic root of -2x-1

old falcon
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$g(x) = \sqrt[3]{-2x-1}$

potent lotusBOT
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jan Niku

wild marten
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yup

old falcon
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,w D[ (-2x-1)^(1/3), x ]

wild marten
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if its und it also diverges?

old falcon
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,w plot 2/3 * (-2x-1)^(-2/3) from x=-1 to x=0

old falcon
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i dont like the pole

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,w plot 2/3 * (-2x-1)^(-2/3) from x=-1/2 to x=0

wild marten
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so like what im trying to unserstand is

old falcon
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right, its negative there

wild marten
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will every equation always converge at a point

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or are there some that will never work

old falcon
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If i understand what youre asking then no, a bunch will shoot off to infinity