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Hay everyone!
I need help with question g please
My answer for this question was 2p - 4
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I got 2p - 4 because I did 5 - 3 first which = 2
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So 2 ( p - 2) = 2p -4 when expanded
oh yeah bidmas
But you must distribute the 3 into the brackets first
What is i stand for
indices
Ok
but there are no indices in question g
Yeah
sorry i confused lol been a long time havent study maths
hmm so -3 (p - 2) = -3p + 6 is the first step.
oh wait i think i done it wrong
You omitted 5
You can do first step but 5 is part of expression so there must be 5 in it
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hi
But I dont know how to get p.
5- 3 (p - 2)
5 - 3 = 2
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Bracket should come first
but as n tends to infinity, 1 / n^p tends to zero but n! tends to infinity
Yeah Im really not sure how to get p though Calamity.
I very confused
Ill think about it moroe
more
You can't substract before multiplication
3 is multiplied to (p-2), you have to solve that first
P-2 is an expression
You can not substract a lion from a stone
Let that be
P and 2 are unlike terms
So bracket part is there to show that the whole stuff is multiplied to 3
ok so I need to do -3 (p -2) and expand the bracket.
Yes
oh alright thank you
Np
-3p + 6
Yes
Calamity you genius thank you so much for being patient with me🙂
No problem, we were destined to pass so I landed my help
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I'm stuck on how I can drive a state space model.
Here's what I've tried so far
I'm not sure if what I did is even in the right direction
I tried to define my state variables in this case X1 and x2 and solve Fnet = ma
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Did I use the log/exponential rules properly ?
Nope
ln(x+y) is not lnx + lny
ln(xy) is lnx + lny
you can simplify it further a bit though
when you did $\ln{(\frac{2}{3}x^{\frac{3}{2}}+C)}=\ln{(\frac{2}{3}x^{\frac{3}{2}})}+\ln{(C)}$
Astral
you can do $\ln{(\frac{2}{3}x^{\frac{3}{2}}+C)}=\ln{(\frac{2}{3}x^{\frac{3}{2}}+\frac{2}{3}K)}=\ln{(x^{\frac{3}{2}}+K)}+\ln{\frac{2}{3}}$ though, not much of a simplification
Astral
are you distrubuting the 2/3 to the k?
I'm saying C=2K/3
both C and K are just constants of integration
I just scaled it differently, it doesn't matter since C and K have the same range (both are just in R)
I follow that part
that way I can factor out a 2/3 from every part being ln'd, which I can then move out into +ln(2/3)
yes, C is a real number
C=2K/3 because C is arbitrary and ranges from (-∞,∞), so 2K/3 does as well, and we can determine that K also has range (-∞,∞) therefore we can simply declare K a replacement constant of integration
C=2K/3 because I said so, because it would simplify best
I could've said C=K^3, but that's unhelpful, doesn't help me simplify
C is an arbitrary constant of integration, if you differentiate it it becomes 0
if you plug in this answer into your original dfq
you will find K does not matter, ie K is any real number
gotcha
same goes for the raw unsimplified answer, C does not matter, it'll cancel out upon plugging into the dfq
you use the constants to solve for specific conditions
gotcha
in this case though
they didn't give me a condition right?
usually they'd right like y(0) = 5
or something like that that
or are you talking about something else?
so you leave it in its general form
with its constants of integration located somewhere in your answer
like how y'=y is solved by Ae^t, any real A will solve y'=y for y=Ae^t, hence it's the general equation
but only one A solves y=Ae^t for a given input condition
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hi
i had a dejuvu
what
that page
what😂
whats wrong with the page?
i already see it
where
in this discord
when
so what do I do for 5.
@nimble osprey u trolling or smth?
then stop talking here?
if you ain't gonna help
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How would you do 5?
In the directions, it gave you City names and coordinate points, I would start off by just plotting those on the graph first.
the cities have the same number
The three cities have three different coordinate points (x,y). That is what they want you to plot first
okay I'm finished
sorry for the late reply
and please ping me once you reply!
No worries!
so what do I do after?
I plotted the different coordinates
do I do the central station now?
they do have the same distances
I just reread, I would use that coordinate they gave you
bc then you need to label the boosters and where those would be if they are needed based off the distances
Central Station would be your (-3.5, 1.5)
okay brb
does that seem correct so far
for breeze and cedar i think you flipped x and y
breeze is -8, 1 yes?
yes
is that not flipped from what you drew?
actually all of them seem flipped
unless your x is vertical
the first number is that vertical or horizontal?
yeah where the blue dot is
for breeze
that would make sense to me
with it being (-8, 1)
like this?
yeah
<@&286206848099549185> what would I do after
draw the shortest path to the highway from central station
that's one of the things
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i am trying to graph this
in my graph calculator
but when press graph nothing pops up
i pressed y= first and put that in
then graph
Then you need to adjust the window scaling
uh
to waht
i just put random numbers in the winddow now i have error
😭
i think i messed my calc up
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Question 6th.
The question is unclear
have you tried solving the differential equation?
Yes. The solution comes as
ln y = ((1/x-3) + C ) where C is any arbitrary constant.
I suspect the question is asking you to identify the domain of definition for the solution to the differential equation. In doing so, they want to know which of those intervals is contained in the larger domain of definition for your solution
Black book?
Yes.
I do not quite understand.
So, you've found a solution:
$$y = \exp\left(\frac{1}{x-3} + C\right)$$
Ammardian
This solution will have a domain of definition
I suspect what they are asking is for you to find which of those 4 intervals would be contained within this domain
This function for example, may have some divide by 0 issues at a certain x-value, so your goal is to work out where that issue is
and so what the domain of this function is
At the end of the day, the question is, "Which of these 4 intervals does not contain the x-value for which the solution to your differential equation above is undefined"
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\def\P{\mathrm P}
A pair of fair dice is tossed. Find the probability of getting at most a total of 10.
\vs{5 mm}
\textbf{My attempt:} For this, let $B$ be the event of getting at most a total of 10. Then, $\comp B$ is the event that you get at least 10. So: [
\comp B = \set{55,56,65,66} \implies \abs{\comp B} = 4
]
Then: [
\map \P B = 1 - \map \P{\comp B} = 1 - \f4{36} = \f89
]
How did I fuck up in the above?
well is says atmost so how did you include 66
and 56
complement of B
atmost is maximum
at most 10 complement is more than 10
oh fk mb
have you been given the 'right' answer
no its just that teh system is rejecting my answer
this is probably it tho
i have to exclude 55


^ yeah the q is inconsistent about the 10 case
[ \lnot(x \le 10) = x > 10 ]
what about edward the first
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For function notation that’s written as f: A -> B, A is the domain and B is the codomain right? And the range would be the “actual” values that A maps to with the function right?
Just need some clarification to make sure I’ve understood this part of my lecture correctly
yes
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can i do this this way?
SWR
thx
what can i do
binomial expansion
i’ve never learned that formula
short version
$(a+b)^4=4a^4+4a^3 b+6a^2 b^2 + 4ab^3 + b^4$
SWR
yes are you sure that is the only way to resolve this problem bc i’m not sure my teacher would give us an assignment where we need to use a formula that wasn’t taught yet
If you're doing integral calculus, you should have learned binomial expansion three years ago in an Algebra class.
You could do u substitution too, I suppose
im in canada so idk if its the same but no i haven’t learned that formula
Look it up then, you should def know it by know if you're in a calculus class.
Then you should absolutely know it by know.
But if you want to skip it for now, do u substitution
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Let a_n and u_n be real sequences.
Suppose that we have a borel set A with positive lebesgue measure such that $\sum_1^\infty |a_n cos (nx + u_n)|$ is finite
dreamalice
Show that $\sum |a_n|$ is finite
dreamalice
This is for all x in the borel set A
I don’t even know where to begin
looking at fejer right now but I feel dumb cause it feels easy
Trying to show it on an interval first
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Ok fejers theorem got me nowhere

<@&286206848099549185> if any of you know where to start with plz send help this is obviously false for an arbitrary interval but idk where to go, positive lebesgue measure so I can work this on an interval
Ok I have [a,b] where it holds for x in it, then wat
nvm il ask this in the topic chanel
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An Airbus is a wide-body, twin-engine commercial jet aircraft that weighs 560 tons and flies at 0.85 Mach (1 Mach is equivalent to 340 m/s) at an altitude of 10 km. Determines its kinetic, potential and mechanical energy.
Kinetic energy: E_C= 1/2 m ∙ v^2
Potential energy: E_P= m ∙ g∙h
Mechanical energy: E_(M ) = E_C+ E_P
Where: m = mass, h = height, v = speed and g = gravity = 10 m/s2
This is from my math class, and I swear I have never had a physics class in my school, so I don't know how I should express those values.
For example, they say that it weights 560 tons, but it doesn't say the mass, how can I find it? do I need to use the formula for the force?
For the mass, what unit should I use?
I know:
Velocity = 289 m/s
Height = 10 km = 10 000 m
Given that you have m and km, you would have to convert 560 tons to kg
As m and km are metric
so mass = weight??
No
at least in this case
why
(I want to learn about this)
I know they are not equal, but maybe I can assume that mass through its weight
Mass is the amount of matter an object contains, weight is the force of gravity on that mass
I know
that
You cannot say mass equals weight as they are two different concepts
I know that
so you aren't using the weight as mass
which one do I choose? I suppose m
When I said m and km, it's the units in m/s and km, so m is meters and km is kilometers, metric units
mm oh okay, so when they said "An Airbus is a wide-body, twin-engine commercial jet aircraft that weighs 560 tons", they should have said mass?
Tons is not metric so you have to convert to metric
I use these units, I am from Perú
I get it
they are also part of the SI I think
Mass = 560 000 kg
I think you are getting them confused with ton and tonne, ton is imperial, tonne or metric ton is metric
mm I don't know that difference, english is not my first language
toneladas is in spanish
1 ton does not equal 1 metric ton
1 ton, is imperial is equal to 2000 pounds or 907.18 kg. 1 metric ton is 1000 kg
oh okay, thanks, I didn't know that
so it's tonne then
It's the spelling, in English tons and tonnes are different because one is imperial, the other is metric. In other languages, you don't mess with imperial units so it defaults to metric, most of the time, so when you translated ton, and converted, it defaulted to tonnes (metric tons) because spanish uses metric
Was that problem originally in spanish or english?
mm I get it, I do use metric units
spanish
so...
E_C = 1/2 (560 000 kg) ∙ (289 m/s)^2 ?
If it was originally in spanish then the 560 is metric tons
mm yes
Yes
does it have any special units? or it's just a number
It has units
E_C = 1/2 (560 000 kg) ∙ (289 m/s)^2
If you expanded that out, you'll get (1/2 * 560 000 * 289^2) kg * (m^2/s^2)
Because (289 m/s)^2 = 289^2 m^2/s^2
And then I just moved things around
so, it would be $2,338588 x 10^{10} kg * m^2/s^2$ ?
ale.r
CaptainNova22
ohh okay, thanks
so: $2,338588 x 10^{10}J$ ?
ale.r
Yes
and EP = (560 000 kg) ∙ (10 m/s2) ∙ (10 000 m)
Are you using the acceleration due to gravity as 10 m/s^2?
yes, I think it should be 9,8 ???
but they told me that
It's 9.81 m/s^2 but it told you to use 10, that's fine
So yes
ohokay
$5,6 x 10^{10} J$?
ale.r
Yes
And as a suggestion, don't use x when you're showing scientific notation, use \times
$5,6 \times 10^{10} J$
CaptainNova22
and
E(M ) = $2,338588 \times 10^{10} J + 5,6 \times 10^{10} J = 7,938588 \times 10^{10} J$
ale.r
oh okay, thanks
Yes
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I'd like to know how to generally approach these problems
And is it possible for me to ever get good at this?
I tried like 5 times to come up with a solution and gave up
They have a whole ass explanation but I just can't logically grasp the intuition in a way that makes me confidently say that I get what happened
the problem is much easier that the explanation implies
after 1st step, we definitely have 3 closed doors
with probability 3/4 we have two after step 2
after step 3 it's (3/4)(1/2) to have 3, and (3/4)(1/2) to have 1
with probability 1/4 we have 4 closed doors after step 2, and then it's defintiely 3 in the end
3(3/4)(1/2) + 1(3/4)(1/2) + 3(1/4) = 9/4
but I guess the problem doesn't matter, you're asking if you will ever understand the smart explanation
Oh, this does make more sense
Thank you so much
I didn't even know there was a different approach to this
I just wanna get good at probability and stats
I love the subject but I feel so dumb
the hard approach wolud still work if there's like 7 doors and 9 steps, examining all states like i did would become too slow
Makes sense
So the hard approach is choosing to focus on a single door
It finds the E(X) of that single door
yep
But my brain fails to understand it because the probabilities change depending on each iteration
Though I think I see it now
At least I feel like I do
Will I get better with more practice lol
they noticed that there's 2 cases where a door is closed, either no one touched it, or 2 people did
yeah, I wouldn't have figured that out in a million years probably
Either way, thank you so much for the help
I'm gonna keep practicing
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hey guys
are those brackets flipped?
no
-inf cant be [
you spittin
its different notation for (-inf,1)
or can it 😳
Wtf
makes sense ive just never seen it represented that way
i just got it in a test exam
....
i always used ]-inf wtf
.
Bruh
wait yall dont uuse []?
it just differs between some countries
Ohh
1 is upper bound and if E(x) is a floor function then it should be E(x) = 0 as x = 1 and the greatest integer <= 1 is 0
][ = ? () or []
no
][ is known as french notation
So u use [] this as Greatest integer function and ][ as closed interval
?
for example ]-inf cuz inf cant just be one const value
no [a,b] is closed interval and ]a,b[ is open interval
What do u use [] for
💀
[a,b] means that in the interval both a and b can be used
]a,b[ means that a, b cant be used
fr
I'll start using][
anyways back to my problem plz
@full pawn iirc this is how floor functions work
Floor function
And roof function
Is also known as greatest integer function and smallest integer function
I forgot which is which
floor is greatest integer
cause they return greatest integer <= the input
didnt quite get it
[•] = f(x) = floor function
ik how floor functions work, what would E(x) if x ∈ ]-∞, 1[ return tho
well depends on x
well for numbers between 0 and 1, it returns precisely 0
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and it can obviously return any negative integer
what would E(x) if x ∈ [1, 2] return
if x=2 then it returns 2. otherwise it returns 1
yes corect
mb meant to say [1,2[
anyways let me show u what im supposed to do in this test
sec
is "the definition set" a valid mathematical word?
cuz i study this shit in french
is this a test you are currently writing?
you are probably looking for the word domain
yes yes
so im given
f {
f(x) = E(x) + sqrt(2 + E(x-1)) if x ∈ ]-∞, 1[
f(x) = x^3 + sqrt(x-1) if x ∈ [1, +∞[
}
im asked to get the "domain"? is it called domain
yes domain
domain for f
7
ensemble de définition?
yes!
yes domain
ok how would i get it in this case
yes
its prtty easy i just cant find the E(x) for an interval that has inf ?
first time seeing that
can you send the original question? in french
soit f la fonction definie par:```
f {
f(x) = E(x) + sqrt(2 + E(x-1)) if x ∈ ]-∞, 1[
f(x) = x^3 + sqrt(x-1) if x ∈ [1, +∞[
}
1)a) determiner l'ensemble de definition de f
ok so not every x in ]-∞, 1[ allows f to make sense, I'll give that
and the issue isn't in E(x)
because any x in
so the issue is in the square root
what can you not take the square root of
yeah i tried that
the E() is always there
it has to return a value right?
or does it return an interval
it returns a value
whats the value tho
E(x)
the question is asking: I'm picking an x < 1. However, f may not always work because we're not allowing something inside it. Which x less than 1 does it actually work for?
for the square root to make sense, exactly
E(x-1) >= -2
hm
so basically
what's the interval that if we were to floor woud give a value included in [-2, -1[?
which returns -2 ?
huh why
I forgot that we initially have x<1
yes
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I don’t know how do this problem
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can someone walk me through how to derive x^sinx
derive x^sinx as such its derivative right?
i'm not sure what you mean by that
what do you mean derive
do you mean differentiate?
don't you need to rewrite this?
Okay, so lim(x—>0) x^(sinx) becomes 0^0, so you’ll need to rewrite this first so that it becomes either 0/0 or inf/inf
yes
maybe a log property could be helpful here?
i know i can use ln, but i'm not sure how to do it with the lim(x->0) in there
i'm getting tripped up by the lim
Just pretend it’s not there
That’s a thing yes, and then what is the reciprocal of sinx?
oh i see
Then what happens as those two approach 0?
i didn't know i was able to multiple the x^sinx by ln without another side of the equation
like when its y=x^sinx you have to do the same to the y to keep it equivilant
does it not change the value of the function?
Think of it as
$$ \lim_{x \to 0^+} x^{\sin x} = \lim_{x \to 0^+} e^{\ln\left(x^{\sin x}\right)} = \lim_{x \to 0^+} e^{\frac{\ln(x)}{\csc(x)}} = e^{\lim_{x \to 0^+} \frac{\ln(x)}{\csc(x)}}$$
So you're going to need to take the answer you get from lhopital and apply exp to it.
Morrow
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A statement asks to prove that if P(n) is true for all n∈N, then Q(n) is also true for all n∈N. How can we prove this?
There are multiple answers.
- Proving that P(n)⇒Q(n) for all n∈N
- Assuming that there exists a number n such that Q(n) is false and showing that P(m) is false for a certain m∈N
- By proving that Q(0) is true and proving that (P(n) and Q(n))⇒Q(n+1) for all n∈N
- Assuming that P(n) is true for all n∈N and Q(n) is false for all n∈N and finding a contradiction
- By proving that Q(0) is true, then assuming that there exists n∈N such that P(n) is true but Q(n) and Q(n+1) are false and finding a contradiction
I think 1 makes sense, I could be wrong tho
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i have the rate of change for the radius
how can I change it to the diameter?
i got 0.009 by multiplying 0.0043 ( then rounding it to 3 decimal places)
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why ppl use a "die" instead of a "dice"?
I mean die is an old use to mention this gambling gadget
why ppl, especially when it relates to topics of math, use die? im so confused
I suppose they are all refer to the 6-sided gambling tube?
yeah
most sources support my impression that die is the singular and dice is the plural
dice is generally also accepted as a singular form
one website said that dice outdates die in the english vocabulary but idk
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what do you want lmao
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im stuck and cant figure out how to calculate for time when i dont have v_f
omg hi bestie
and im not sure how to calculate for it
to do this question bestie
you can use the equation
$\triangle x = 1/2at^2 + v_i(t)$
slay queen
you can close it now if you don't have any qs
im solving through it rn
ill just keep this open in case i get stuck again but if not ill close it
\Delta x
ty bestie
with all due respect, i am not your bestie.
sorry
wait
i thought it was
$\Delta x = v_it + \frac{at^2}{2}$
ur right lmao
does "vertically upward from the ground" mean that i can infer that $\Delta x = 0$?
Kaiyan
$x_i = 0$
nosqldb
but what about x_f???
Work out the displacement when it reaches the top and use that minus the other displacement to solve for time
you change it into 2 equations. The first one you're calculating displacement from the ground to the top, the second one you're calculating the time it takes to get from that displacement to 1.27m
im struggling with that part
i know i have to solve for the vertex
but the only equations i know for tthat are -b/2a and (r+s)/2 in which r and s are roots
i havent learned these specific equations yet but i think it should be fine
there are the ones my teacher gave
Ohh yeah those are the same as the first 3
So you're given that Vi is 5.89m/s, when it reaches the top what is its velocity?
Yeah you have to split it
One sec I can draw it out
The key idea is that when you throw a ball up, at its maximum height its velocity is 0
And then it turns back down again
And when it's going up, gravity is working against it so the acceleration is negative. When going down, gravity supports it so acceleration is positive
yeah that makes sense
the part i dont get is how to find v_f
since thats what im missing for time
Vf is 0 for the first part
At maximum height the velocity is 0, that's your Vf
Then the ball falls down and is stopped at 1.27m, you don't need velocity to work out time there
You can use the first equation
Imagine they asked it in 2 questions. The first question they asked you to work out time and displacement when it goes from the ground to its maximum height. Then they asked you to work out the time it takes for it to go from maximum height down to 1.27m
Your values for v, t, a and d are different for both questions
ok heres what i got for the first one
Yeah that's right
So your acceleration was -9.8m/s^2 going up, what will it be going down?
speeding up
Yeah
So it becomes +9.8
Your ball reached maximum height, it's final velocity was 0m/s, what would it's initial velocity be now then?
bestie
That's the distance from the ground to max height. Then you take the distance from max height to 1.27m above the ground
are you guys still working on the q?
yes
makes sense
why didn't you just say 1.27 m = 1/2 (-g)t^2 + 5.89t
let me check the displacement equations again
because 1.27 is displacement and not velocity
yes
I got 0.94 s
is that correct @warped ocean
wait
this still doesnt work
because 1.27 is not the change in y
mhm
so x_i = 0m
x_f = 1.27 m
$\Delta x = 1.27 m$
xf isn't 1.27
nosqldb
It goes up and falls back down to 1.27
I mean y_f
So the first displacement is higher, then it falls from there to 1.27
mhm but screw the first displacement
just consider y_i = 0
and y_f = 1.27 m
you cant
ok wait this one makes more sense
slayyyy
but something is off
I don't think the acceleration stays negative the whole time
it's gravity
bestie do you have the answer
numerical answer to check with
oh
ofc bestie
You just did 1.27 = 1/2 (-9.8)x^2 + 5.98(x) and solve for x?
ye
i brute forced it
I mean if you can just factorise like that in your head then ur good
i used quad formula
its ight
thanks for the help guys
my teacher said we're gonna discuss this question in class anyway so if theres a diff method then he'll teach it to me soon
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is 1 < x <=3 and 3 <= y <=5 an open or closed set
(x,y) in R^2
it's not open since at $(x,y) = (3,5)$, any open ball you draw would exceed this region
Dee3Cay
can i also say it has its boundary poitns
3 is a boundary point right
iin this case
3 as in
(-1,3]
it's R^2? 🧐
yes
it includes all points from -1 (excluding -1) to 3 (including 3),
dont you say that by (1,-3]
oh ok
for example, if you want to say points on this line are boundary points, I would say it's points on ${3} \times [3,5]$
Dee3Cay
that would be R^2
well you can't really do that?:/
ok
coz if you look at a particular x it's not a well-formed point in R^2
back to your question
it's also not closed
this can be shown in 2 ways:
- the complement is not open
- there exists a sequence of points, converging to a point outside of the region
what is this
then
not open but not closed
im confused
at point (x,y) = (3,5), draw an open ball, it goes outside of your region
ok back to square one
what's the definition of open and closed
open is that
i can find something in the set
- epison
or - epsilon
and still be in the set
em
not entirely accurate
open is that for every point in the set, you take a "small neighbourhood", this small nbhd is still "within" the set
ok so to be accurate, what points may I give?
a point within the set?
is there restrictions on what points in the set can I give?
well it shouldnt be outside the set
but if you're in the set it should be fine
no matter which point you give me
ok so to be more accurate (especially in writing proofs)
i picture it as a number line
you want to say for every point, ...
(0-3)
your idea is correct
any number you can think of between these two
i can give you a +/- epsilon
since there are infinitely meaning nubmers between any two numbers (if they arent the same i suppose)
well either i can show it has all its boundary points
or do the complement thing
not quite sure how though
let's try to show by definition
you've stated the definition of "open sets"
can you negate that definition to become "not open sets"
(5,3) and (3,0) are not in 1<x<=3 and 3<=y<=5?
ok you're going to quick
ok
<--
let's not go to naming points first
itsn that just that i cant give you a +/- epsilon
such that?
then its closed?
no?
didnt we just say if i could its open
ok 1) not open does NOT mean closed
so if it contains all its boundary points
then its closed
surely
how about this
could you write it down in symbols form?
like epsilon, B(x, \epsilon)?
yes
but does this contain all its boundary points?
and 1 step back, what's the definition of boundary points?
a point where
every neighborhood of that point
will contain a point outside and inside the set
ok great
so are all boundary points contained in (1,3]x[3,5]?
aka this rectangular region
(1,?)
that this is a half open interval
you'll need a point in R^2 as example
ok question
what is the course you're taking?
ok
mixed into one
so does calculus allows anything over 1 variable
yes
ok
the book this question is from is called functions of mutiple variables
all of your ideas are correct if you're playing in R^1
in R^2 or above you can't think of "open neighbourhoods" as "open intervals"
at least it has to be "open circles" or "open balls"
for example, x = 1 is getting there, but you need to pick an actual (x,y) point, say (1,4)
now I draw an open circle (of radius epsilon) at it, some part of it outside, some part of it inside
just like definition of a boundary point
but the point (x,y)=(1,4) is not in the set, since 1 < x <= 3
so boundary points are not contained, thus not closed
but not closed doesnt mean open
yes it's not closed and also not open
what is it then
it is neither :]
oh
A set can be both not open and not closed
i read the question wrong
ok so
wdym
that is the question
im translating to english
to get the correct term, one second
maybe finite set?
the definition of it will be easier
if you can contain the set in a cirkel, that has center in origo it is restricted
or a ball structed thing
what language was it in?
danish
could you take a pic of the question?
there's gotta be some sort of image language translator or sth
we dont need one if you know the definition of this
lets say x^2 + 1/4*y^2 >= 1
then i can incapsulate this in a circle or ball, then it is restricted
remind you of anything concept?
it is bounded maybe?
is it bounded or not
this?
well this is not
we prove this by contradiction, assume it is in a ball of radius r
can we choose a point outside this ball?
yes a point in the set that's outside the ball
not if everything is in the ball
x^2 + 1/4*y^2 >= 1 <-- you're talking about this right?
<-- this?
yes
well then it is bounded
you can just take balls like radius 100?:]
what sets does a infinitely big infinitely many dimensional object
Dee3Cay
I don't understand?
i think i have missunderstood the definition
because well
if i can choose a ball in inft many dimension and that is inft large
how does it not contain y=x^2
my circle is exactly as big as x^2
y = x^2 is a parabola?
well you can't exactly define an "infinitely big circle"
and also the idea of bounded means you have to fix your circle size
you can't have circle size depend on some variable x
but didnt we just chose it to be 100 last time
okay i fix mine at infinite then
you can't fix a circle radius at infinity because infinity is not a "value"
