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How did my username change

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devout maple
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Hello, I was wondering how I can do this question. Im confused because there are some boxes bigger then others and i wouldnt know what to put for some corners (we need to use pascals triangle)

abstract bramble
muted prairie
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For each point on the grid, count the number of paths from the top left to that point

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Starting at the top left and moving down

devout maple
abstract bramble
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convince yourself this is valid with the simplest case

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a single square with an edge removed

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the idea is that it's 0 because the paths that COULD use it arent there anymore

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so it's 0 paths from that point

devout maple
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okay but then what would i add for this do i just do 3+0?

abstract bramble
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yes

devout maple
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ohhh okay

abstract bramble
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wait

devout maple
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thank you so much

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oh

abstract bramble
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i meant that as in when you add the paths together the one coming from the missing path is 0

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you should have a 1 above that 0

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then 3 + 1 0 = 3

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don't skip cells when theres a path missing

devout maple
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so i still put the 1 in between the two 1s up here

abstract bramble
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yes

devout maple
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okay

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but i just treat it as 0

abstract bramble
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when you add it to the corner below yea

devout maple
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okay

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thank you very much

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tight zenith
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HELLO can someone pls help me w these two questions

tight zenith
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idk how to do proof by induction with diffentation especially to an unknown order of a differential

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the second question i only need to understand the first part then i’ll be fine with the rest

trail mango
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tell whoever wrote ts to learn latex

gray vortex
tight zenith
gray vortex
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it works the same as any other you've done

tight zenith
trail mango
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pretty good handwriting

gray vortex
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ok what do you need to do to get information on d^(k+1)y/dx^(k+1)

winter lava
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hint: d^(k+1)y/dx^(k+1) is the derivative of d^k y/dx^k

cedar kraken
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well firstly what i'd do is set (3^k+1)/2 and (3^k-1)/2 to something like A and B, so it's easier to understand.

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then prove the case for n=k+1, which is just an application of the product rule

tight zenith
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it’s coming together

tight zenith
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how about Q 11 part a

cedar kraken
cedar kraken
tight zenith
cedar kraken
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like for 2r, it's be even, and (-1)^even is 1, and same logic for odd

tight zenith
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btw

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this is the uk school system

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what level of maths would you say this is?

winter lava
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first year of university maybe?

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zenith furnace
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Would like help verifying if my proof is logically sound and rigorous.

Proof:
I define f(x) = cos(x) - x^3
Cos(x)andx^3 are continuous for all real x, thus continuity is satisfied
I choose interval [0, pi/2]

f(0) = 1 - 0, 1> 0
f(pi/2) = 0 - (pi/2)^3 = -pi^3/8, - pi^3/8 < 0

We get f(pi/2) < 0 < f(0), so L = 0 satisfies f(pi/2) < L < f(0)

By IVT, There exists some c in (0, pi/2) s.t. f(c) = 0.

cos(c) - c^3 = 0
let x = c
cos(x) - x^3 = 0
or cos(x) = x^3.
Thus there exists an x in Real Nums s.t. cos(x) = x^3

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vapid haven
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can i sub a.b =2 in that 2axb thing
then (a.b.a) x b
(|a|^2)(bxb) ------> 0.
c vector = -3b na
b.c = -3b^2 (cosalpha)

vapid haven
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dk if im right tho

shadow marlin
vapid haven
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ok ig got it

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but how do i procceed now then

shadow marlin
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Since we want to calculate sin alpha it makes sense to do bxc

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The sin being squared hints at the length of bxc maybe

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random vale
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I’m having trouble with this integral. Is it cyclic?

barren hound
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yes

night raft
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yeah it is, so a trick you can do is set I equal to the orginal integral

barren hound
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(also be careful how you write things reallyMad this looks like subtraction but you meant multiplication

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random vale
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Interesting 🤔. Is this one of those that gets manipulated algebraically?

random vale
barren hound
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if youve seen any cyclic integrals they will have been exactly like this one tbh

random vale
barren hound
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i see

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yes, it is

random vale
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Should I factor out a negative before?

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Ty for the help btw

barren hound
random vale
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Yes

barren hound
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hmm

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why did we swap what parts u and v were taking

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originally you had u = the exponential thing and v = the sine thing

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then you swapped?

random vale
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Oh I think that was an accident. I see. Second u is supposed to be the trig?

barren hound
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well like

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i think you dropped a factor of 2

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maybe -2

and your result will be that the integral is equal to itself

barren hound
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ah thats where the negative sign went

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also if you want to make this mean multiplication you have to put parentheses around the second thing or else it means subtraction

trail mango
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good handwriting

random vale
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Thanks, if only I could write the right stuff 💀

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I’m going to retry. Brb.

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Do I need to set this equal to orig?

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I lost the 2* im adding it

barren hound
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-# this still means subtraction... youd have to parenthesise the second thing, that is: cos(2t) (-e^-t)

barren hound
hushed bluff
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Are u finished?

random vale
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Still working. Close.

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Does this look okay?

hushed bluff
random vale
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Thanks guys! Have a good one.

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twin pivot
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$\lim n\to +\infty \frac{\sin{(\pi xn)}}{\pi x}$

soft zealotBOT
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Goofy Joe

twin pivot
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How is this limit calculated?

loud phoenix
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!show

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twin pivot
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Sin oscillates therefore should not exist

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This Is my work

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,w $\lim n\to +\infty \frac{\sin{(\pi xn)}}{\pi x}$

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loud phoenix
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That won't work here

tranquil pine
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Try thinking sin(theta)/theta= 1

loud phoenix
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$$-\frac{1}{\pi x} \le \frac{\sin(n \pi x)}{\pi x} \le \frac{1}{\pi x}$$

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loud phoenix
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Because the lower and upper bounds are different numbers, the theorem cannot conclude that the limit exists

twin pivot
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How?

loud phoenix
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Squeeze theorem only works when lower and upper limits are the same

twin pivot
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Yup

loud phoenix
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It does not work in this case

onyx peak
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onyx peak
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it depends on what x is, it does exist for some x

loud phoenix
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Are you required to prove it does not exist formally?

twin pivot
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I have to see it in the sense of distributions

loud phoenix
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Could you elaborate?

twin pivot
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Why?

scenic pendant
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something similar happens

loud phoenix
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Um, I think that's a tad advanced

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more so than what the OP is asking for

twin pivot
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What do you mean advanced?

scenic pendant
scenic pendant
loud phoenix
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To prove it wouldn't you need the inverse fourier transform?

scenic pendant
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note that

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$\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \text{sinc}(xn) \mathrm dx = 1$

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scenic pendant
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and $\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \delta(x) dx = 1$

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scenic pendant
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and when n -> inf

scenic pendant
loud phoenix
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oh

scenic pendant
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So “narrow × tall, constant area” => delta behavior

loud phoenix
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I was definately overthinking this then

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Oops

scenic pendant
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you can use fourier to say this

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wait i think i made a mistake

twin pivot
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Where did you get this from?

scenic pendant
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not only sinc(xn)!

loud phoenix
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Let ${f_n}$ be a sequence of tempered distributions. Convergence to a limit $L$ is defined via the duality bracket with a test function $\phi \in \mathcal{S}(\mathbb{R})$:$$\lim_{n \to \infty} f_n = L \iff \lim_{n \to \infty} \langle f_n, \phi \rangle = \langle L, \phi \rangle, \quad \forall \phi \in \mathcal{S}(\mathbb{R})$$

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scenic pendant
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[
X(f) = T,\mathrm{sinc}(fT) = \mathcal{F}\left{\Pi!\left(\frac{t}{T}\right)\right}
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scenic pendant
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consider this

loud phoenix
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Let $\text{rect}_n(\xi)$ be the indicator function on the interval $[-\frac{n}{2}, \frac{n}{2}]$. Its inverse Fourier transform is:$$\mathcal{F}^{-1}{ \text{rect}n(\xi) } = \int{-n/2}^{n/2} e^{i 2\pi x \xi} d\xi = \frac{\sin(n\pi x)}{\pi x}$$

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loud phoenix
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So, $$\lim_{n \to \infty} \text{rect}_n(\xi) = 1(\xi)$$

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loud phoenix
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and since $\mathcal{F}^{-1}$ is a continuous linear automorphism on $\mathcal{S}'(\mathbb{R})$

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scenic pendant
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are you proving that $\mathcal{F}\left{1\right} = \delta(f)$ ?

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loud phoenix
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$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{\sin(n\pi x)}{\pi x} = \mathcal{F}^{-1} { 1 }$$

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loud phoenix
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by definition $\mathcal{F}{\delta} = 1$, which implies $\mathcal{F}^{-1}{1} = \delta$

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loud phoenix
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So the limit equals $\delta(x)$

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scenic pendant
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i have a question

loud phoenix
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Ok

scenic pendant
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since $1$ is not in $L^1$

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loud phoenix
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huh?

scenic pendant
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since 1 is not in L1

loud phoenix
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I know that

loud phoenix
scenic pendant
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yes

loud phoenix
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That's why I umoved from functions to tempered distributions

scenic pendant
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i mean why we can do lim T->inf rect(t/T) = 1 and lim T->inf sinc(Tf) = delta(f) and this implies

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F{1} = delta(f)

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i dont understand why we can do this

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that is, is it a Fourier transform in the limit?

loud phoenix
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Because the FT is a continuous operator on the space of tempered distributions

scenic pendant
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and why is it "legal" to find a FT this way

scenic pendant
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or i have to open new help ?

loud phoenix
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You can open a new help channel

scenic pendant
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i did

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copper roost
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hello ive got this function

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copper roost
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so basically

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im checking out the symetry

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and an e function cant be symetric right

strange sparrow
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there are many kinds of symmetry, what symmetry are you referring to here?

copper roost
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i mean like when a normal function has x^ even numbers

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then its symetric to the y axis yk

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but how does this apply to here

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strange sparrow
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the y axis is not an axis of symmetry for f_a, for any a ≠ 0

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in order for the y axis to be a line of symmetry the function must be even, ie. satisfy f(x) = f(-x)

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but it is easily seen that f(x) and f(y) have opposite signs whenever x and y have opposite signs

copper roost
strange sparrow
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what do you mean by "an e function"

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an exponential function?

copper roost
strange sparrow
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a^x is not an even function except when a = 0 and a = 1

copper roost
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btw how do i solve for x = 0

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hate this shit

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whenever a parameter is involved i dont know what to do

spring crow
copper roost
spring crow
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Zeros of the function?

copper roost
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yeah

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so we know e ^-ax cant have any right

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so we do like 2 parts

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and then a^2 * x

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idk how tod o that

spring crow
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X =0

copper roost
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yeah but

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how i do that

spring crow
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A squared is multiplied by X

copper roost
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yes

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so we divide by a square

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so x = a ^2

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so can i just write for x1(a^2/y) ?

spring crow
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If you divide by a square it is gonna be 0 I think don't get what your question is

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a^2 is a constant so it is just gonna be x=0

copper roost
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right

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ty

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i forgot that its connected to x

copper roost
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the ex^a part doesnt have any x = 0 right

spring crow
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keen hare
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is my substitution method insane or did i do this right

vale mist
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right

keen hare
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dope

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sinful tapir
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Where would i go to send in a potential discovery i made

sinful tapir
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I think ive found something

mint orbit
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probably a university

shell condor
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lilac bison
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i will tell the relevant people

mint orbit
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maybe they are more inspired than you

sinful tapir
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Se where we go from here chat

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Enemy combatant

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Enemy combatanant chat

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I might make a video start email youtube people

lilac bison
sinful tapir
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From mind your decissions or something

trail mango
trail mango
sinful tapir
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Wdym by this

lilac bison
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wait im lost, was this the guy who sent the videos in the help channel yesterday?

sinful tapir
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My messedges have been very thought provoking thak you

shell condor
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what topic is your potential discovery in?

sinful tapir
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Ill take my thoughts elsewhwere ig im not wanted here

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Turns head away

sonic kelp
sinful tapir
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Dramatically

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Ha

sinful tapir
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I cant beleive this

shell condor
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god

sinful tapir
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Good heavens

lilac bison
sinful tapir
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Lmao

thorny canyon
sinful tapir
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So vixra

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Im just joking guys

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We allowed to joke a little

lilac bison
sinful tapir
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I know i was getting butthurt a little here and there

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But you guys are okay lmao

sonic kelp
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are you sure it doesnt exist already?

thorny canyon
sinful tapir
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I found it for roots and logs too

shell condor
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Well, if you've got to ask a mathematical problem you're stuck in, then you can ask, otherwise I'd say move to a discussion channel

sinful tapir
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For the inverse ops past tetration

sonic kelp
sinful tapir
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Vixra sounds cool

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Ill prolly try there

lilac bison
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chat if this is legit, we will be noted down in history as the opposers..

sinful tapir
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And ill prolly try making a youtube vid and email to people

sonic kelp
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im not opposing broo

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im just curious

sinful tapir
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Like mid your decissions

lilac bison
sonic kelp
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i wanna know what they did

sinful tapir
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Or numberphile

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Or maybe veritassium

sonic kelp
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do it

sonic kelp
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Clos

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coarse horizon
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hi?

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wow I just came at the time where the chat died

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interesting reason to leave;-;

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!help

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lilac bison
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whats your question mate

jagged root
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I need some help with definitons

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of domain and range

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conceptual*

lilac bison
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okay

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what do you not understand

jagged root
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the restrictions

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when there is like a square root for example in an equation

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Im struggling w the restrictions

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should i give u an example?

lilac bison
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so when dealing with the set of real numbers, we know that complex numbers arent defined in the set of real numbers

lilac bison
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so we avoid having a negative number inside a suqare root

lilac bison
jagged root
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for domain or range tho

lilac bison
jagged root
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thats where i get confused

lilac bison
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think of it like this

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you have a function call it a machine

jagged root
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input output

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right

royal gust
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You just need to memorize a few rules. For example, you can't have a negative under a square root

lilac bison
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you give the machine some input, thats your domain, the machine does its magic, and gives an output

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thats your range

jagged root
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ok

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i think i get it now

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ty

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lilac bison
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its with a dot

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not an exclamation mark

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ty

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vagrant knot
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Hi

final saddleBOT
vagrant knot
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Can u tell me what I did wrong here

shell condor
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must have been the wind

vagrant knot
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.

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Bruh

shell condor
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looks fine

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what's the answer?

vagrant knot
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Do I just flip

nocturne cape
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putting minus exponents is correct but why

vagrant knot
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Because I have to follow the rules

shell condor
nocturne cape
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u can also simplify the two minuses

royal gust
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What you've got on the page is correct.

Are you asked to do something with this?

vagrant knot
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Simplify

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Is there an easier way to do that

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The negative is kinda annnoying

nocturne cape
# vagrant knot The negative is kinda annnoying

yeah
the numerator and the denominator both being negative can be simplified, so you get a positive fraction

as for the minus exponents, a minus just means u can replace it with the inverse
so x^-1 becomes 1/x since 1/x is the inverse of x

y^-4 can be written as 1/y^4, since 1/y^4 is the inverse of y^4
does that make sense?

(and vice versa
1/x^-1 is x since the inverse of 1/x is x)

so u can use this rule to simplify and remove the minuses in the exponents

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what you did isn't "wrong", it's correct.
but usually when u need to simplify you need to exhaust everything and keep going until you can't anymore

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idk if you have to get the ^2 inside tho, seems cluttery

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basically $x^n = \frac{1}{x^{-n}}$

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doctorstrangejr

shell condor
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(for reference)

nocturne cape
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i forgot this bot existed

vagrant knot
nocturne cape
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yeah u can
only the things with a minus exponent yes
so the 3 for example stays up

nocturne cape
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yeah

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now get the 2 that's outside inside

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and u got a simplified fraction gg

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Thank you so much

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It’s very helpful

nocturne cape
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what was the thing that troubled you?

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where did you get stuck exactly?

vagrant knot
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The negative, it bothers me, I didn’t simplify them

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I might need your help again on the challenging ones haha

nocturne cape
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There is a negative and I have to subtract

nocturne cape
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yeah so its simplified already

vagrant knot
nocturne cape
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you can't remove the negative anymore

vagrant knot
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But I didn’t really get it

nocturne cape
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ah okay

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so basically you have 3 minuses in the fraction, 2 of them nullify each other leaving you with only one
the fraction is negative, you can't remove the minus anymore
so sign wise, it's simplified

vagrant knot
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Oh sorry I didn’t say the question I need help with

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It’s 54

nocturne cape
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yeah

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isn't 54 the fraction?

vagrant knot
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Yeah

vagrant knot
nocturne cape
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ye
$\frac{-y}{-8y^4.-5xy^4}$
the denomintaor simplifies itself very easily to 40xy^8
is that okay so far?

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if it's y^3/y^4, ud get 1/y

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Got it, thanks again

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is this right?

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No

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You didn't use chain rule correctly

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i just used the sinx = cosx rule and cosx = -sinx

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oh shi

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is this right for the first part?

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Yes

earnest shuttle
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wait is it supposed to be let u = sintheta or u = theta?

old quarry
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sin theta

earnest shuttle
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cuz i remember there was a question like tan theta cubed and they let u = theta cubed

old quarry
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u=theta would make no difference

earnest shuttle
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true that

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it was like tan(x^3)

old quarry
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Yeah to make it easier u can use x^3=u

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is this right yoda?

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Yeah

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alr thank you master yoda

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hello so

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i dont understand what they mean by multiplicity of zeros

abstract bramble
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i calculated 3rd root of 2a

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then i got a multiplicity of 3

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?

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no multiplicity is simply how many duplicates of a root there are

copper roost
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there are none

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here

abstract bramble
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this is a quartic so it should have 4 "roots"

copper roost
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ohhh

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so

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now i need to do if a is bigger than 0 and stuff

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If that's the actual exercise then you didn't copy f_a(x) correctly

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oh my god

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I'm stuck on how I got this answer wrong, as it stated the answer is 919.9 . I thought I was doing the steps correctly, and I'm not sure what went wrong when I was trying to solve it The answer that I got was 785.52, and when rounded to the nearest 10th it was 785.5

robust mulch
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why is r equal to 3

worn needle
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Because of the semisphere

robust mulch
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what is the diameter of the hemisphere

worn needle
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I'm not sure the question included the diameter, as for the whole question is in the photo on the computer

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Like the whole #9 is on the computer, that's the whole problem it gave me to solve

robust mulch
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the hemisphere goes across the top of the box

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so you should know the distance across the top

worn needle
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The question did not give that to me. Can you please help me see what I did wrong?

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Because I showed how I did it on paper, and the computer said it was wrong

barren hound
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you got r = 3 somehow which doesn't make sense; the diameter of the hemisphere is 9 yd

worn needle
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Can you show me a visual..?

barren hound
worn needle
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Yeah, the circle. Half of it?

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And the 9yd

barren hound
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the red line is 9 yd

worn needle
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So the hemisphere is also 9 yd?

barren hound
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the diameter of the hemisphere is 9 yd

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because its flush with the edges

worn needle
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Yeah, so the hemisphere is also 9yd. But how do I get 919.9 yd^3 as my answer

barren hound
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the diameter of the hemisphere is 9 yd

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so the radius of the hemisphere is 9/2 yd

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or 4.5 yd

worn needle
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So I would plug that into the calculator

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Because I'm still confused on how you're explaining this to me 0041w_huh

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Sorry, I just need detailed explaining..

lone talon
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What’s the formula for your model

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Just the raw formula

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No numbers

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it’s the formula of the cube + formula of the hemisphere

worn needle
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Everything I was given was basically on the computer and I had to solve it out. I'm just still confused how it's because explained and how to actually plug it in correctly 💔

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$x^3 + \frac{2}{3} \pi r^3$

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lone talon
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what’s r and x

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once you have those you just plug it in

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should get the answer

robust mulch
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the main issue is we are trying to show how to find r

lone talon
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Ah

worn needle
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Oh.. so it's 9/2 but why is it that? Since I did 1/2•4/3

Because the sphere volume formula was 4/3 πr^3

robust mulch
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why did you pick r as 3

worn needle
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Oh, I see what I did wrong ohhh

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Thx for making me see my mistake, I was kinda slow to notice Heart

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i got -3 but calculator says -2

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round cedar
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any small hint will be cool

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(whenever i got ״0/0״ i did lhopital rule)

hushed bluff
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But x -> 1 so x - 1 -> 0 and ln(x) = ln(x - 1 + 1) ~ x - 1

radiant igloo
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completely forgor about f(x)^g(x)= e^(g(x)(f(x)-1))

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I reply that guy

round cedar
round cedar
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they both tend to 0 when x--->1

onyx peak
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-2 is the correct result, your result was incorrect because the ln(x) = x-1 approximation wasnt sufficient here

onyx peak
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it also -> 0

radiant igloo
onyx peak
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you'd need to use the 2nd order approximation here i believe

round cedar
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when can i use lnx~ x-1 , and when i cannot do so?

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and what other alternatives i have..

hushed bluff
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e^xlnx ≠ lnx

onyx peak
hushed bluff
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I think so

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I mean

round cedar
onyx peak
onyx peak
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that means that you have to make your numerator expansion 2nd degree as well

gloomy river
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You can get away with using 1st degree for the numerator if you do everything with Taylor expansions, interestingly

onyx peak
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how would u do the denominator

gloomy river
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You have to do 2nd degree for the denominator

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lnx = (x-1) - 1/2 (x-1)^2 + O((x-1)^3)

onyx peak
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i dont think you can get away with that

gloomy river
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Well, technically you are still taking the 2nd degree expansion of e^(xlnx)

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But a 1st degree expansion of lnx suffices for that

onyx peak
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$\frac{e^{x\left(x-1\right)}-x}{-1/2(x-1)^{2}}$

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this?

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MathIsAlwaysRight

onyx peak
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that -> -3 already

round cedar
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those degrees yall talking about is related to this "O(x^2)" thing?

gloomy river
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um

round cedar
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cuz i aint sure they taught us this

onyx peak
round cedar
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so the degree is 2? because of x^2

onyx peak
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oh and i shouldve written O((x-1)^2)

onyx peak
onyx peak
# onyx peak oh and i shouldve written O((x-1)^2)

If your approximation worked, you'd expect those O terms to become insignificant in the limit (so e.g. if there was + O((x-1)^2)) in the term, it would be fine, since that -> 0). But if it was e.g. O((x-1)^2) / (x-1)^2, then it wouldnt tend to 0 any anymore, so you'd have to make your approximation better

gloomy river
onyx peak
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that O((x-1)^2) thing just lets you work with the 2nd degree approximation, without bothering to compute the coefficient

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and you hope that it will vanish later

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which in this case it wouldnt

round cedar
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sadly i still cant get -2

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um

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nvm

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found the error lol

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@gloomy river @onyx peak

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i think thats cool, thx

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I don’t get this at all

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Like I m unable to understand

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so when switch is closed capacitor acts like a short circuit

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Letting current pass through it

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infinitely?

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I m so confused ugh

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but then after a while it acts as an open circuit

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so we ignore the capacitor wire

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as if it doesn’t exist?

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will u help

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🙁

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Sry, I don't know this stuff. I was asking for more info to make it easier for a different helper who does know it.

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Nobody can help without first understanding where you're stuck after all.

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oh

true void
quartz vigil
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can u explain me how u would solve

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the circuit

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then

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using this info

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I m stuck at this part

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@true void

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Manish bhaiyya

true void
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Initially, replace the capacitor by a wire

quartz vigil
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Okay

true void
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so u basically have R1,R3 in parallel and R2,R4 in parallel right

quartz vigil
echo crown
quartz vigil
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like in this square

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how do I know what’s parallel to what

echo crown
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Just disregard the capacitor and you get two parallel branches

quartz vigil
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Manish bhayya

echo crown
# quartz vigil

I think nodal analysis can be used for the case when it is being charged but not sure

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@true void

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pls bhaiyya help kardein

true void
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idk hindi lol

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So once you replace capacitor by wire, you can see R1,R3 ends have same potentials right

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true void
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Yes

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@quartz vigil

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are u following

echo crown
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Alright then makes sense

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It’s easy from there

true void
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Yea but he seems to have a problem in finding that they are in parallel

quartz vigil
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Hey

quartz vigil
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I don’t get that

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how to find what’s in parallel

true void
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and so are R2 and R4

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across Q and the bottom point

quartz vigil
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Basically we find the place where current is being split

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?

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Okay I get part a now

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I got voltage across R1 and R3 as 4.94 and R2 and R4 as 7.06

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@true void how about b

true void
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For b

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like i said you can just remove the capacitor

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since it is an open circuit

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so now, R1,R2 and R3,R4 are in series

echo crown
quartz vigil
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R3 with R4?

true void
quartz vigil
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Is my answers for a correct

true void
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idk i didnt calculate

quartz vigil
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can u pls

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🥹

true void
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yes they are 👍🏻

quartz vigil
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Voltage across R1 is 4 V
Voltage across R2 is 8 V
Voltage across r3/r4 is 6 V

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@true void b?

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pls

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one sec

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yep

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r u sure

true void
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right

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Thanks bro

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Np

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you can do .close

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@true void another question

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i mightve to leave in a few min tho

quartz vigil
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I think I m messing up the right hand rule

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and the internet has 1000 different versions

true void
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You want to find the direction of force on the wire?

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@quartz vigil

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Yeah

true void
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you know the formula is I(l x B) right

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l is in the same direction as current flow

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So place your right hand along the direction of l and curl it towards B.

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Your thumb will point towards the dirn of force

quartz vigil
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My first finger

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is current or magnetic field?

true void
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right hand only

quartz vigil
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Huh

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Isn’t it cross product

true void
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*make sure your thumb is perpendicular to other fingers.

true void
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yes it is cross product

quartz vigil
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thumb is force

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first finger and middle finger I confused them

true void
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like you said there are multiple versions and the one im talking about does not invlove first finger and middle finger pointing towards different directions

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can someone explain what they mean by (4+h) feet at its ends

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basically, the diameter of the top part is 4 feet

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diameter of the bottom is (4+h) feet

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cuz h is given to be positive

left trail
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ok. I see. also what does he mean by "if the axis coincides with that of the log"

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the frustum is the log

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and you're trying to cut a cylinder out of it

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for a cone we usually don't take horizontal stuff as axii

left trail
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ok so all there saying is that they are on the same axis meaning the cone is crooked or anyting like that

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means the point from where u measure the radius of the cylinder is the same as the point from where you measure the radius of the frustum

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ok. thx

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I dont understand demorgans law at all how do I do this

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You don't need to understand it to apply it (though you should try to understand it anyway)

kindred bloom
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i know but what i mean is the 1st one is P^Q why isnt it P ^ ~Q

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i also need to understand it because I have a no note exam on thursday

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You have the answer key?

kindred bloom
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Nope i used ai

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I'm so tired of people saying that I don't even know how to respond

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I dont have any other options we didnt go over a single example in class

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litterally the only thing i can do

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its tragic

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You have search engines that can give you hundreds of pages explaining these things

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You have Wikipedia

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You also have this server, of course

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In no circumstance would I use AI to explain or check maths if I were a student

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If i had an answer key id use that its right most of the time and I dont have the time to research anything

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,, A \to B \equiv \neg A \lor B

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This is not De Morgan's law, it's just an equivalence that you should remember

kindred bloom
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Okay

opal plinth
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Now for (a), you have P -> not Q

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What does that give you if you use this equivalence?

kindred bloom
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not P / Q

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/

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\ /

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Don't type \ on Discord unless you really want to (you can type \\ to show \)

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Use words

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So that's not P or Q, right?

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yes

opal plinth
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Ok, and so then you have the negation of that

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That's where you use De Morgan's

kindred bloom
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Alright?

opal plinth
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Basically you distribute the negation and switch between "or" and "and"

kindred bloom
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so it would be P and not Q?

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Yes, if you didn't make a mistake in the previous step

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,, A \to \neg B \equiv \neg A \lor \neg B

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This is exactly the same equivalence as before

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Just the B from the first one became a "not B"

kindred bloom
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Okay?

opal plinth
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Well that's exactly the same form as P -> not Q

kindred bloom
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So is this another demorgans law?

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No

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$A \to B \equiv \neg A \lor B$ is like the definition of implication

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In your case, $A = P$, and $B = \neg Q$

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So it becomes $P \to \neg Q \equiv \neg P \lor \neg Q$

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Does that not make sense to you?

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No it doesnt make sense sorry

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Can you point to what exactly doesn't make sense? I can't really think of a more basic explanation

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Is it the variable substitution?

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Okay I dont really know what your tryign to describe like from my pov youre telling me the equivalences and I just dont know what im getting out of that liek why is that important, I just watched a video on demoragns law it only takes place when a not is behind parentheses with an and or an or symbol so i understand that now but I dont know how to convert the regular ones

opal plinth
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What regular ones

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like in the case of this problem where there isnt an and or an or we are translating its a if then

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So translating an if then its called an implication?

opal plinth
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Can you tell me what the -> symbol means for you? How is it defined?

kindred bloom
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if then what do you mean by defined?

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P->Q

opal plinth
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Have you learned truth tables?

kindred bloom
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its conditional and only false if the p is true and the q is false

kindred bloom
opal plinth
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Alright, so P -> Q is an expression that evaluates to true or false, specifically it's always true unless P is true and Q is false, which is represented by the truth table of ->

kindred bloom
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yeah

opal plinth
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That -> symbol represents an operation (or operator), just like + represents the addition operation

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That operation is called a material implication, or a material conditional

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You said conditional just now, so I'm guessing that's how you learned it

kindred bloom
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Ive only heard it as conditional yeah

opal plinth
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Implication means the same thing

kindred bloom
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okay

opal plinth
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As you can see, in LaTeX there's this symbol called "implies":

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,, \implies

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kindred bloom
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yeah

opal plinth
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It has two lines but it's the same as -> in this context

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"implies" comes from "implication"

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So anyway, when you have an implication, you can rewrite it using only the operations "or", "and", and "not"

opal plinth
kindred bloom
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so it still means the same thing but you can use or and and not to change it?

opal plinth
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Both expressions are equivalent, they have the same truth table

kindred bloom
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Okay

opal plinth
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Btw I hope you understood that this symbol means "is equivalent to":

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,, \equiv

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yeah ik that luckily lol

opal plinth
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Alright

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So the exercise is to rewrite the statements in such a way that the negation symbol only appears before variables and not before subexpressions in parentheses

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Well in general it's going to be a lot easier to get rid of any implication symbol before doing anything else

kindred bloom
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wait okay i think im understanding

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So not (P and Q) is wait so the not is making the statement false correct?

opal plinth
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No, whether a statement is true or false in general depends on the truth values of the variables

kindred bloom
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oh

opal plinth
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What the not operator does is invert the truth value

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So "not true" is "false" and "not false" is "true"

kindred bloom
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okay

opal plinth
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"not" is one of the only two boolean operators with one argument (the other being the identity)

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Pretty much all the other operators have two arguments (one of the left, one on the right)

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You can think of them as functions if that's easier for you

kindred bloom
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okay

opal plinth
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Like the function "and" is defined by:

  • and(true, true) = true
  • otherwise, and(x, y) = false
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But we usually write it in between the arguments instead

kindred bloom
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yeah

opal plinth
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So...

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,, A \to B \equiv \neg A \lor B

soft zealotBOT
opal plinth
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For (a), since you have $\neg(P \to \neg Q)$, substitute $P$ for $A$ and $\neg Q$ for $B$ in this equivalence

soft zealotBOT
opal plinth
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That gives you $\neg(\neg P \lor \neg Q)$

soft zealotBOT
opal plinth
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Then apply De Morgan's: $\neg(A \lor B) \equiv \neg A \land \neg B$

soft zealotBOT
opal plinth
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Again you need to substitute the variables correctly

kindred bloom
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So you Have to turn the statement from -> to and or or before you even start it?

opal plinth
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In this case yes, in general it's just easier to handle expressions that only contain "and", "or", and "not"

kindred bloom
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I guess im having trouble translating it at this step then

opal plinth
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In this case you're forced to if you want to apply De Morgan's afterward, which you need

opal plinth
kindred bloom
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Implication its the one turning it from -> to and or or

opal plinth
kindred bloom
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Okay i have it written down for now

opal plinth
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(or understand why it's true so you can derive it again)

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Like you said yourself A -> B is only false if A is true and B is false, right?

kindred bloom
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yes

opal plinth
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So it's always true when A is false, and also always true when B is true

kindred bloom
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mhm

opal plinth
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,, A \to B \equiv \neg(A \land \neg B) \equiv \neg A \lor B

soft zealotBOT
opal plinth
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You can memorize it like this too

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The first step is "A -> B is false when A is true and B is false"

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The second step is De Morgan's

kindred bloom
opal plinth
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To simplify an expression that contains an implication, yes, it's almost always a good idea to do that

kindred bloom
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okay so with mine not(P ->Q) since its different then the rule one how would i start to translate it

opal plinth
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You mean not(P -> not Q) ?

kindred bloom
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Oh yeah that my bad

opal plinth
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If I give you f(x, y) = 2x + 3y, can you give me the expression for f(2x, -y) ?

kindred bloom
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no..

opal plinth
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Well, you may want to review highschool algebra / functions

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You substitute a variable for another

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In the case of not(P -> not Q), at first we are only interested in the inner expression P -> not Q

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The "rule" is "A -> B" is equivalent to "not A or B"

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"P" matches with "A", and "not Q" matches with "B"

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So the rule becomes "P -> Q" is equivalent to "not P or not Q"

kindred bloom
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okay

opal plinth
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It's literally just replacing all instances of "A" with "P" and all instance of "B" with "not Q"

kindred bloom
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okay

opal plinth
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A and B are variables, but they can represent whole expressions

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In this case the only expression that's not directly a variable is "not Q" but in the next question, (b), you will have to deal with two bigger expressions

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Just think of A and B as boxes if you will, then you put whatever is on the left of the implication in box A and whatever is on the right in box B

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Then you write the equivalence, and finally you simplify

kindred bloom
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Is there a part I ignore first? like do i just take the inside convert that then apply the not?

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i understand the conversions but my example is different then the rule you showed me thats where im stuck theres an abnormality that i have no idea how to solve

opal plinth
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Not sure what you mean

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You can apply rules in any order

kindred bloom
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okay so as a real life example it feels like your teaching me to swing a baseball bat when in my problem i need to swing a hammer its both swinging but the process is completly different

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ive never solved something like this i need examples or steps to take in order to know what to do

opal plinth
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I mean... I'm not going to give you a full course on this topic

kindred bloom
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yes i know its just I dont know what to do next to me this is doing something ive never done before

opal plinth
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You have at least three more questions to do from what you posted

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Just try to work them out, and if you're stuck, open a channel explaining exactly where you're stuck

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I have to go, but I'm sure other helpers will step in if you close this channel and open a new one

kindred bloom
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okay thank you for helping

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mighty grotto
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can someone help me with this pls i dont think my teacher taught how to solve this mathematically

mighty grotto
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i went on desmos and stuff to plot it out and like do it but idk how i do now

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tender pollen
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what properties does a perpendicular bisector have?

mighty grotto
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it forms a right angle i think

tender pollen
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and the other?

mighty grotto
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theyre equal

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equal distance

tender pollen
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yes, so how could you represent that graphically?

mighty grotto
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i could draw a line down the middle

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from 4,6 to 2,2

tender pollen
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and what other line could you draw

mighty grotto
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from -2,4 to 6,0

tender pollen
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and what must be true for them to be perpendicular?

mighty grotto
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that it forms a right angle

tender pollen
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and how could they be perpendicular?

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(hint: ||slopes||)

mighty grotto
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im lost now

tender pollen
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what's confusing?

mighty grotto
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only slope i remember is y = mx+b or something

tender pollen
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ok, if two lines are perpendicular, what can you say about their slopes?

mighty grotto
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that their slopes are equal?

tender pollen
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no

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something else...

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should i tell you?

mighty grotto
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yes please i didnt learn this

tender pollen
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ok

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basically

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if two lines are perpendicular...

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||then their slopes, a and b, satisfy ab = -1||

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so what can you do?

mighty grotto
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multiply?

tender pollen
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well actually wait

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did you prove JOE is isosceles?

mighty grotto
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i kinda just assumed it was so no

tender pollen
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(hint: ||distance formula||)

mighty grotto
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no idea what that is 😔

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but it looks equal

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the two sides

tender pollen
mighty grotto
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no

tender pollen
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what do you know?

mighty grotto
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algebra 2 and sin cos tan

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and the sin theorem

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last time we were in class (friday before this one) we learned about 3d shapes

tender pollen
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ok, i feel like you should know the distance formula...

mighty grotto
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yeah we didnt learn that at all

tender pollen
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anyways, the distance formula says:

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the distance between $(a,b)$ and $(c,d)$ is $\sqrt{(a-b)^2+(c-d)^2}$

soft zealotBOT
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nadat12

tender pollen
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that's the euclidean distance

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(proof: it's a corollary of the pythagorean theorem)

mighty grotto
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the only word i understood was the pythagorean theorem

tender pollen
mighty grotto
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sorry math isnt my strongest suit i hope thisnt a bother

tender pollen
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just in cartesian coordinates

mighty grotto
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so i would swap about abcd for the coordinates?

tender pollen
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and then show that two of the lengths are equal

mighty grotto
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wait but what coordinates go where

tender pollen
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the distance formula can be used vice versa*

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that is, swapping the points doesn't matter

mighty grotto
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so $\sqrt{(4 - 6)^2+(2+2)^2}$