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Wt
define the meaning
Ops
I wanted to ask you Wt was the meaning
Wt= what the
Then explain why WTS means what the sigma
Well k idk
idk= i dont know and k means ok
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Hello, I am stuck on this question about probability (i think) and some help would be appreciated!
try to write out all possible roll sequences that would result in a running total of 3 at some point. you may use some placeholder or wildcard like x to represent a roll that could be any number
for example the roll sequence 12xx would fit this description
running total = the sub-totals you get during the rolling process
like if your rolls are 6, 4, 2, 3 you will have the running totals 6, 10, 12, 15
oh
49/216?
the probability of landing it on the first one is 1/6, then 1/18 (second) then 216 (third one)
you add them which equals 49/216
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For this I know that n! = $\prod_{k=1}^{n}a_k$
BigBen
But when I break up the nCk wouldn't I be introducing a new term if I just plugged that in?
no, $n! = \prod_{k=1}^n k$
Ann
not some un-introduced sequence a_k
Sorry misread the book but either way if I just to rewrite that in the binomial theorem you can just sub that in then?
ehhh
well yes i guess thatll happen at one point
feels like a "less talking more doing" moment rn though
Ye so I ended up getting stuck at either $\frac{1}{(n-k)!}\sum_{k=0}^{n}\frac{1}{k!}\prod_{r=0}^{k-1}(r+1)(\frac{1}{n})^{k}$ or $\frac{1}{(n-k)!}\sum_{k=0}^{n}\frac{1}{k!}\prod_{r=0}^{k-1}(r+1)(\frac{1}{n})^{n-k}$
BigBen
I am trying to make it as similar as this
There isn't any 1/(n-k)! there
what is 1/(n-k)! doing outside the sigma at all though
i think you may have fumbled this quite severely, but i can't tell where -- aside from the issue i just mentioned.
this is what i wrote down just now though
im saying YOUR thing has a glaring notation issue
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yeah
what happens if you rationalise the denominator
we need to get it in form of a-b/1+ab
we get 2r
but the numerator becomes some ugly shit
Oh look
dyxn
(1 - ab)/(a + b)
multiply the top and bottom with (1 - r^(-1))^(1/2)
Then you can split it
I think
💀
ok let me try
why will we multiply by this btw?
it gets it in the form (a + b)/(1 - ab)
kind of weirdly though
but it does
i think you can fuck around and make it telescope
oh ok yeah this works
got it
thanks
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Is sup not about the interval but about what is the least upper bound of the given interval?
So, this would have an upperbound of u...infinity?
Is this not the upper bound because it has no least upper bound?
I don’t get what you’re asking
There’s no the upper bound because it’s not necessarily unique
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if we have a problem like this (20) can we assume that different variables mean different values?
Different variables can be equal unless otherwise stated
thank you!
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i got 4 seconds
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sorry
do you want one?
sure
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hello, i am having some difficulty understanding this problem in genral
and kinda forming a counter example. after some thinking i have come to the conclusion that 1. false as if a function is bijective then not a subset of it should be bijective but all of it should be bijective
so given this 1. is false and 2. is true
this is my ounter example for 1. i think it works
but i have no idea how to start on B
$\forall A \subseteq \mathbb{R},\quad f^{-1}(f(A)) = f(f^{-1}(A))
\quad \Leftrightarrow \quad f \text{ is bijective}.$
SushiMan
how does that work
also does my counter example work or nah
wait
nvm
f o finv{varnothing} = varnothing = finv o f (varnothing) vaciously
it doesnt tell you anything at all about f
😭 ts so hard to read without latex gimme one sec
but anyway it's asking about f: R to R I just realized
but its a subset
=
$f \circ f^{-1}(\varnothing) = \varnothing = f^{-1} \circ f (\varnothing)$
gfauxpas
but a different subset for domain and codomain so not what the problem is asking about
also read the question carefully
it's asking for sufficient and necessary conditions, not equivalences
thats vacously true tho, so it doesnt work as a counter example
it shows that a is not sufficient for anything
because it's true for every function
im really ocnfused ngl
okay so we're dealing with 4 questions here
ok
is (a) necessary for bijectivity? sufficient?
is (b) necessary? sufficient?
I'm saying that my example with the empty set shows (a) cannot be sufficient for anything, because it's true for every function ever
that knocks out 1 of the 4 questions
What does sufficient mean again
$p \implies q$ is "p is sufficient for q"
gfauxpas
and "q is neccesary for p"
think about why it's called that in terms of regular english words,it's not arbitary
Oh so if it’s nesscary then it’s the other way around
the question is asking about the image of sets under f. Can you convert that into a statement about images of elements under f?
LMK if you dont know that terminology, image under
Reverse direction
Bro I got this question wrong on the test and it cost me a whole percent 😭
Ok alr lemme think
Do you know that terminology, image under?
No I don’t know
if A is a set,
But it is nesscary but it isn’t sufficient for a
f(A) is called the image of A under f
if x is an element in the domain of f
then f(x) is the image of x under f
so if you're told the equality is true for EVERY subset
is there a collection of subsets that tells you information about how f and f inverse act on ELEMENTS?
That’s for b no
they're related
Power set
That’s for b
overkill
So what was the answer you were looking for
singletons
I’ve never heard of that
sets with exactly 1 element
Ohhh okay
every number r in R corresponds to a singleton {r} in the powerset
so if you're told a statement is true about every subset
in particular it's true for every singleton
He’s
He's indeed
Sorry I was tryna say yes
Every subset yes
That’s basically B
so b is sufficient, or necessary, for invertibility?
yeah it's both but i only proved it's sufficient actually
but that also means a is necessary
Wait for b right
yeah for b
Yes for a is nesscary
I stated that earlier. W prediction
the way youd prove b is necessary is because
inverse image of a union is the union of the inverse image
therefore... .can you finish the proof?
Probably not
Tbh I kinda get what ur getting at but it’s still pretty confusing
if it's true for all singletons, it's true for all unions of singletons
which is, all subsets
sure
I've been doing this for years
takes practice, and looking at pictures sometimes
Probably not no
Wait
Stop
It’s yes
It is true
Are you a prof?
W thinking
no, I am an out of work math tutor studying to pass actuary exams
What are those
Yes this makes sense
So I understand this. What are we getting at now
they are standardized tests to show that you are proficient in the types of math insurance companies need to do
Oh I see
What kinda job are you trying to get
work for someone who is working for insurance companies (an actuary), most likely. easier than becoming an actuary myself
but honestly ill take any math job atm , im so poor :(
Oh I see
You can’t do ta ship?
I’m first yr but I have like a lot of third year friends that are tas
They get paid 53 an hr
53 cad btw
usually that job is given to PhD students, no?
Nah
Utm cs has 3rd students as tas for first yr courses
Uft cs in general I think
yeah but students still. i graduated already
Iirc you can still be a ta even after you graduate. One of my head tas had a faang job and was still doing ta ship for a first yr course
Anyways back to the topic. What are you trying to get at here tho
@ripe jewel
Are you French by any chance
J’ai faux pas
no, faux pas has entered English
as a borrowed word
i forgot what we're talking about
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We are given the point of a final side of angle Theta. Find the values of all trigonometric functions of theta.
Im trying to do (2, - 3)
My first thought is to find theta like this:
cos(theta) = 2
theta = arccos(2)
But arccos of 2 isnt a thing
So I dunno how to find that angle
How did you get cos(theta) = 2?
cos(theta) is adjacent / hypotenuse.
Have you found the hypotenuse?
Moreover, although it's not wrong per se to solve for theta, you realistically don't need to know theta in order to compute all the trig ratios associated to it...
X is equal to the cosine of the angle, and in this case 2 is x
Explain
Perhaps, but cos(theta) is not just x
It's x over the hypotenuse
Perhaps the easiest way to ease into it would be to draw a diagram
Using pythagoras you can find the hypotenuse
I see
I think im pikcing up what youre laying down
I get the hypotenuse, and then the functions are just the ratios of all sides,
This approach, which is likely the one they want you to use according to the wording of the question, avoids having to deal with issues with the domain and range of the inverse trig functinos
Yeah we havent gotten into that yet
I'm still confused about what i was told though, about x being the cosine of the angle
We're working with circles if that helps
It is the cosine of the angle in the very special case where the hypotenuse is 1, i.e. on the unit circle!
I see
But in this case, the coordinates are outside the bounds of the unit circle
Right?
I see, in the unit circle, the hypotenuse is 1, ie, cos(theta) = x / 1, ie, cos(theta) = x
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Hey!
Do you know how to calculate the area using the inradius @prime tusk ?
i dont hink os
look at the @bove image
@prime tusk this one
is there any other way to do it or something
idk i feel like my teacher will think i cheated or something
if i do that
^^
@prime tusk Has your teacher taught you this and/or has it appeared in your textbook?
sorry for the late reply
you can also derive it like they did in the image
like split it into three triangles and work it out
however
I think if your teacher gave you this problem, it must've already been taught
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idk he pmo
he teaches me like
alright then. So you can do a similar thing that's shown in the diagram, splitting it up into 3 triangles and using variables to calculate the area
doesnt that get me nowhere
bcz i dont know a b or c
that's fine, just keep them as expressions in terms of AB, AC, and BC.
can you calculate the top-left triangle?
the area
uhh
um which one
using your original diagram
the one on the top or the one on the left
in terms of r and AB
split it up like this one
sorry uhh
im still confused
bcz
i have
idk
nothing almost
can you calculate the areas of all three triangles in terms of their side lengths and the radius?
@prime tusk
but i dont know the sidelengths
that's alright, do it in terms of them
let me do the first one as an example
the area is base.height/2=AB.r/2
now can you do the same for the other triangles?
but thats js
no trust the process
30
r(AB+BC+AC) divided by 2?
yep. do you know these values?
.. no
you know r and AB+BC+AC right?
no...
isn't it given in the problem? look at your pic
yeah 😄
DUDE YOUR A GENIUS
😉 good luck on your hw!
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Did someone know how to prove this geometrically? The text says ABCD is a square and that we should prove that expression.
By the way, it occurred to me to use sine and cosine of 127/2 and find a and b squared, but I have no idea how to relate it to L squared, I don't want to complicate things so much
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can someone help me understand this particular problem
What part
like after the substituting the x and y respectively then having this "2D+3E+F =-13" and so on
Mhm
Ok after that it's just another system with 2 variables and 2 equations
4D + 2E = -20
-D-E=12
Can you solve this for D and E?
uhh
what are we solving?
Those 2 equations, for the variables D and E.
you still haven't found either D or E so this won't help
ah ill try again
correction: substitution using either would though
yea it's correct
yay
lowkey that's my first time encountring something like finding the conic equation using 3 points lol
you need to use all cuz in most case 3 equations are needed to solve 3 variables (in your case D E F)
and all 3 points should work (lie on the curve of the conic
at least F would always be F lol easy to get rid of
ye
you got F yea ?
working on in now
just sub in E D (use any of the 3 equations)
i got 25 on the first one
yesss thanks
indeed it should work (I checked the answers using desmos)
All 3 points lie on the conic (circle)
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Are the eqns i formed correct for qn13?
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Hello, can someone help me with this problem, please?
It is known that, under optimal conditions, a certain machine produces screws with a diameter of 0.5 cm and a standard deviation of 0.02 cm. This machine requires periodic adjustments, but those are costly. Therefore, a daily sample of 100 randomly selected screws is tested, and the machine is adjusted only if the average diameter of the screws exceeds a certain value x cm. Find the value of x such that the probability of adjusting the machine when it is not necessary is at most 5%.
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I'm having trouble interpreting the statement. Is the value 0.5 supposed to be the mean (μ)?
Doesn't it say that it's 0.5 cm? And that's the diameter of the screw.
But it does not explicitly state that it is the mean.
hmm..
It tells us that the standard deviation of the screw diameters is 0.02 cm
-# do you have anything to add, @dense badge ?
Is this the hypothesis test?
H0: μ<=0.5
H1: μ>0.5
but you won’t test the hypothesis they want the rejection point x
two sided or one sided?
one sided
this is correct?
assuming normality of the observations i think yes, you used the sampling distribution of the mean when obs are normal i think
But since n = 100 > 30, by the central limit theorem, the sample mean tends toward a normal distribution.
yeah i think you are good
thanks
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Ur on ur own with this one 🥶🗣️
Not saying I can answer the question, but what exactly are you having trouble with understanding this proof?
Also, what is Lemma 4.3.6, Theorem 4.2.8, etc.?
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Hi, I'm new here and I want to get back into maths and I'am awfully confused on where to begin.
being more specific would help
Like where would you recommend someone who never got through high school fully on where to begin again on learning maths essentially
khan academy has a lot of resources
What do you know
honestly have no clue about my level
do you know what like idk sin(x) is
a little
not much
I know the basics additon, subtraction, multiplaction, etc and some fractions
Kinda forgot abt the rest
and what is your goal in learning math?
do you wish to get to like a high school level?
then khan academy is perfect for this
Alright thanks for the help
You should check out Art of Problem Solving as well
is that a book?
i am not sure if that's for him rn
videos tho?
hm haven't seen their videos
not for like extremely hard contest problems
alr
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I should check them out?
Learn from 100s of videos aligned to our texts on prealgebra, algebra, and counting and probability, plus videos on MATHCOUNTS and American Math Competitions.
there's a few for prealg, alg, etc.
also
https://openstax.org/subjects/math
bunch of free textbooks if you like that approach more
luckily for you, for pre-university math there's a TON of resources online out there and i wouldn't necessarily call anything bad either
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however I do think Khan academy might be best, AoPS has limited videos for material above algebra
kk
best of luck on your math journey!
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i was wondering what was going on in this problem
i thought the probability would be 89^2/100^2
since all the divisors of 10^88 are also divisors of 10^99
I don’t see how that assertion gives you that answer
so since probability is favorable/total
OH WAIT
oops i get it now nevermind
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Question 10 I'm seeing true on a graph i sketched (anwer is false)
Do u have anything to comment on it
If it's false, find an element in one set that's not in the ither
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what u have tried
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Can anyone find a logical sequence for this?
What have u done?
well if you write it as
3/7, 6/12, 9/17, 12/22, ...
then something might come up.
I set the number of terms as N and played with it in the dominator and numerator to find a general form
Well just look at what Ann said
plus 3 in the numerator and plus 5 in the denominator
thanks!
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Hi guys
can anyone help with physics
pls
calculate the final velocity of a 60.0kg mass moving at 2.67 ms*' east, when a net force of 45.5N west acts on it for 2.80 seconds.
dont you think you should use that time and force for a quantity
I put the wrong quesiton before
it still is the same with diff values
for this i get to do f=ma
but i got a positive answer but its supposed to be a neg accelleraton
but idk why
you took
the force as -ve?
dont you think the directions would point along the same axes
it's hard finding problems that i can solve in help in this server 😭
its alright
wait so this is what i did first :
F=ma
A= f/m
A= 45.5/60 = 0.76ms-2
And then from there im supposed to put that into vf=vi+at but when i did that with the positive acceleration it was wrong, and when i did it with the neg acceleration its right but idk why
here
you took
like one time someone asked for the factorial range
and since west and east are in opposite directions
then if you took east positive
then a would be negative
idk this kind of physics 💀
yeah you are right
i learned archimedes formula but not F = ma 💀
arggghh!!! This is making me crash out, the velocity is east but the force is west but why is the acceleration neg
like how do i know its supposed to be neg
im so sorry this isnt making sense to em
well then your object is slowing down
me
you appplied force in west? if you take west positive that is f positive wont a be positive aswell
F = ma
is 2.67 ms^2 acceleration or velocity?
not final
then what's the acceleration 😭
0.76 but idk why its neg and not pos i mean i do but i dont
did you not take f positive while doing f=ma
that meant
F = ma
you took west positive
hence a will be positive
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I’m so confused I’m so sorry
its all good
if you took f as positive while doing f=ma that implied that you have assumed west direction to be positive
if you get a as positive it means accleartion is along west
Yh, bht when I put that in my calc i got 5 Smt and the marking keh said it was wrong
As in like
The whole completed answe
it is because in the general ways we assume that east is positive
and west is negative
hence if you take
f in the general coordinates it will be negative here
you get a as a quantity you want
yes
so anyways
you got the acceleration
then i assume you can calculate the final velocity
is there any integral involved?
..
no you're good
Thank you!!!!
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how do you calculate the final velocity if you know the acceleration and the initial velocity?
Vf=vi+at
do you use integral for smooth calculation?
Uhhh
i am pretty sure accleartion is a constant hence its a hint
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i don't have the time to try every single number
Ignore me.
contrary to the deleted message, 4 is indeed possible
can you figure out how? you can try a few possibilities
or even simpler, 0.5 * 8.0
but yeah
I mean 8.0 is technically a decimal cause sig figs matter
not sure what the question intends but in any case
yeah and similarly 4.8 = 0.5 * 9.6
so A is wrong
I think this is a sig fig thing
Every single product is possible 
No
so notice how you can take double of 4 and 4.8 and it works
I can't tell
wait let me make it a.5 x b.c
But, what is the maximum amount of digits in a 2 digit by 2 digit multiplication?
it worked with 4 * 2 = 8 and 4.8 * 2 = 9.6
4
oversight lmao
clever problem btw
99 x 99 = 9801 so it can be 4 digits
You're limited by x.5 and a.b right?
it is
as said, you for 4 you can do 0.5 * 8.0
for 4.8 you can do 0.5 * 9.6
hodl on let me think
yeah then by the same reasoning B also works
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so by process of elimination
x* 10^-1 * y*10^-1 = xy * 10^-2
I'm assuming you're limited to 0.1-0.9?
this is the 3rd problem in the same test
you double it and it'll give you a a.b form decimal number
how can the first one be that hard
since last digit is 5, it'll get to 0
It's not it's just a bit of thought is all
you could also have .0 I think, but it doesn't matter for this q
so 0.5*8.7
No, it's a little clever
Its stated that each box represents 1 digit
so yeah i just eliminated the options
So i assumed that its 0.1-0.9 or rather n.0 - n.9
yeah, n.0 to n.9
If thats the case, then the smallest you'd get by any decimal multiplication by 1 dp with 0.5 would theoretically result in only 2 dp.
So by hypothesis it would only be we'll you can figure that out yourself:")
a.5 x b.c = 1/100 (100ab + 10(ac + 5b) + 5c)
you're overcomplicating this dude
.
ab + 1/10 (ac+5b) + 1/20 c
wait
wait wait wait ah
since a, b and c are integers there cannot be 3 decimal places since the smallest thing must be 1/20
How else will you prove option c isnt possible?
I think this is quite straight forward?

by the multiplying by 2 reasoning, whenever you multiply 2 by a decimal with last digit 5, you remove 1 decimal place
i know how to solve this
but problem 1 is ridiculously hard compared to no.3
so reversing the reasoning, when you multiply by 0.5, you add 1 more decimal place at maximum
Well yes, thats what this also says though?
You can get atmost 5/100 precision
but you are only multiplying n.5 by a 1-decimal place number
i found something
3.5 x 3.5 = 12.25
3.5 x 3.6 = 12.6
3.5 x 3.7 = 12.95
so whenever c in a.5 x b.c is odd there is 1 more decimal place
mhm!
wow this one is brutal
it is creative but you don't actually have to generalise it all the way
you could just go from 4.35 * 2 = 8.7
so 8.7 * 0.5 = 4.35
ah
and then process of elimination gives C
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can someone tell me how to do this... what am i supposed to do about the modulus
Find when sine is negative and flip the function in those intervals
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Sorry I don’t get it
it means "belongs to"
it's a symbol from set theory
they're saying that 3x-2 is a natural number
does natural number means positive integer ?
yes
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Hello!
the constant term
the term which is just a number with no x attached
or in other words, the x^0 term
Ohhh
I think I kinda get it thank you
Bye bye! Thanks for helping
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Sorry I don’t get it again
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Term independent of X
do you want:
A) a re-explanation of what "term independent of x" means along with an example in a different expansion?
or
B) a strategy for how to do this particular question

why are you thanking me so early when i haven't even done or said anything
anyway
basic example
can you expand $\paren{x + \frac{1}{x}}^2$ in full for me please
Ann
(it's not that long)
x^2 + 1/x^2 + 2
Correct
yep
so you see that lone 2?
the one at the very end
that's the term independent of x in this.
Yes
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hello ! What is the name for this vector thingie? So I can search on google and see how it works
And is there a name for the trick like breaking the 10 to 6 and 4?
that's not a vector in this context; it's a notation for the binomial coefficient
ohh
also known as "n choose k" or "n choose r" and sometimes written with a big C and the numbers orbiting around it in some position
(i've seen at least 4 different ones)
um
Okay!
How about the trick breaking it into 6 and 4?
Is that a better way of pascal triangle
you want the term independent of x so you want the exponent on x to work out to 0
Yes
the terms will all look like $\binom{10}{k} (x^{1/3})^{10-k} (-x^{-1/2})^k$
Ann
your job then becomes to simplify that thing with the x's until you've got x^(a single power)
and then equate that power to 0 (because independent of x! if you were looking for the x^7 term or something you'd set it equal to 7 accordingly) and solve for k
Does the term have to be like that?
So if I Wnana use this trick I need to arrange the whole equation into that
( X^(1/3) ) ( -x^(-1/2))?
well the form of it comes from the binomial theorem so yes
ohhh
Thats sounds complicated
But efficient trick
Thank you so much for teaching me how the trick works!
Thats very cool
Have a great day !!
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c) Identify an interval where the graph of g is increasing and concave down.
The graph is g(x) = 10sec(x) + 1
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Show your work
tbh i havent even done any work ive just been looking at a graph and i decided the the answer was (pi/2,pi)
tbh not really
Derivative and double derivative and equate to 0, does that sound familiar?
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yes but i may have forgot it
Study your notes then
ok
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Can someone explain to me why tf this works 😭
what does "x times" mean if x is not an integer?
can anyone suggest me how to learn to solve series questions
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[ \frac{\dd}{\dd x}x^2 = 1 \cdot \sum_{k=0}^{x} 1 + \left( \frac{\dd}{\dd x} \sum_{k=0}^{x} 1 \right) x]
k
[ \frac{\dd}{\dd x} = 1 \cdot x + \left( \frac{\dd}{\dd x} x \right)x = x + x = 2x]
k
that's still sideskirting the actual problem of defining what it means for the upper bound of a sum to not be an integer
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i would say it means you're summing for all integers k satisfying 0 <= k <= x
i think that's how Knuth defines expressions like these in TAOCP
if that's the definition then it's not true for fractional $x$ that $x^2 = \sum_{k = 1}^x x$
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How is there a 3X that is common
things played out that way
there's not really a deeper reason to it
the first term is 3 * (x^2+5)^2 * 2__x__ * (x^3-1)^4
and the second is (x^2+5)^3 * 4 * (x^3-1)^3 * 3x^2
does that answer your question @timber plume
ok you can pull out only 3 if you so desire
and you'll find that the brackets will have a common factor of x inside
which can also be pulled out
Yeah then If it does, I could factorise it further?
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i found the total fail which is 62..
but how 38% is passed in both subjects, instead of it being a total pass
62% failed at least one exam. then the remaining 38% must have passed both exams (failed 0 exams)
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it is easy to understand..ik...but idk why my brain not clicking
wouldn't it be 38% passed at least one exam
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Let n be a positive integer. Let k be a point on the number line that represents a real number such that the number of factors left of k to 1 is equal to the number of factors right of k to n. Let p be a factor of n such that p < k. Prove that n > pk.
the number of factors left of k to 1
what does this mean
The number of factors less than k, starting from 1.
the number of whose factors?
n
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ok, consider this somewhat abstract phrasing:
let D be the set of all divisors of n, L be the set of all divisors of n which are less than k and H the set of those greater than k. (standing for "divisor", "low" and "high" resp)
and look also at the function f: D -> D given by f(d) = n/d
my claim is that this is a bijection and f(L) = H
Okay. Let me think.
I dont know what you mean by bijection.
bi-jection
bi-jec-tion
a function which is both one-to-one and onto
I have thought about something.
Let me type.
root(n) is a valid choice for k.
the greatest factor less than root(n) < root(n), k < the smallest factor greater than root (n)
Clearly, the smallest factor greater than root(n) <=n/p > root(n)
Add [root(n), k < the smallest factor greater than root (n)] in the above inequality.
root(n), k < the smallest factor greater than root (n) <=n/p > root(n)
k < something <= n/p > root(n)
=> k < n/p
So n > kp
Is this correct
I did not let k be root(n)
k, root(n) < something implies:
k < that something
and
root(n) < that something
is my proof correct
It is true that k=sqrt(n) is a valid choice for k, but you must prove for every valid k
I started from this inequality
the greatest factor less than root(n) < root(n), k < the smallest factor greater than root (n)
Yes
whats the problem
No problem here, but your notation is a bit diffult to read
Im assuming you are saying
greatest factor lesser than sqrt(n) < k < smallest factor bigger than sqrt(n)
That is the correct bound for k
No, you said
the greatest factor less than sqrt(n) < sqrt(n), k < the smallest factor greater than sqrt (n)
k, root(n) < something implies:
k < that something
and
root(n) < that something
Ok, so thats your notation
